Economic Terrorism – by Zaid Hamid
I share with you a five-part series of the talk show Brass Tacks televised on TV One, the interview is of Mr. Zaid Hamid who shares his opinions on the global banking problems in light of historical understanding. He has some strong arguments, definitely worth a listen. Your views would be interesting to read in the comments section below
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Awab, again, you follow every intelligent post by a ridiculous one (case in point, this one).
This crazy person is mixing fifty different concepts and making a case that only stupid and uninformed people would believe; I frankly do not understand the constant zionist references. Like those MQM people who were accusing Imran Khan of being party to a ‘zionist conspiracy’, you’re basically doing the same thing.
You know what our problem is? We have no clue on how to play the game. Israel is a tiny country; Israel has ~7 million people. Yet, Israel has the best and most powerful lobby (AIPAC) in the only country that matters (US). That lobby ensures solid support for Israel, and also helps in getting Israel financial aid, which it certainly is not desperate for (because it’s people are educated and their economy is actually pretty good).
Let’s compare that with Muslims, specifically Arabs: they have the ONE thing which the whole world DEPENDS on: OIL. Yet, they hand it out at BELOW market value.
I find it absurd that with all the wealth in the world, the Arab countries have not been able to use their leverage in cases such as Palestine, etc.
BTW, You should have talked more about this while you were at Penn; it would have been interesting to see what your Wharton buddies would have had to say about this!
Oh my God! The later parts are outright laughable and idiotic! Freemasons? Give me a break!
I feel sorry for people who believe such utter nonsense.
Teeth Maestro, you went to Wharton ? I can’t believe …. What were you doing there ?
By the way what your dad is doing in US these days at PTI platform, Why do we need to bring the Pakistani politics in US. I have never seen any India politician coming out to US and talking against ruling party of India. And the problem is Dr Alvi is speaking at university campus in Chicago and I am sure he would be talking against the Mush and country …
Obi – he is the Secretary Gen of PTI so he is just networking out there, I myself had no idea he was meeting with people in Chicago. Did you by chance bump into him? If you do get a chance to hear his talk, I think you will be surprised [contradictory to your comment] that his talk is generally from the heart, he is and has always been a true believer in Pakistan, you will NEVER hear any Anti-Pakistan sentiments from him at all. But when you mention General Musharraf I smile and wonder which cocoon you live in?
Rgds to Upenn – I was studying at the dental school at Upenn doing an advance post graduate course, work there had me knee deep into books and combined with our patient load we had very little time for other extra-curricular activities, let alone politics.
@JinnahFan – When I saw this series I simply treated it as a valid point of view, I share it here probably to help augment our own understanding of the global conspiracy, its a different question whether you believe in it or not, if you don’t then simply ignore the session, if you do, then I don’t expect you or any knowledgeable person here to take his word for it, but only use it to improve your own understanding.
All said, I do get the impression that he is a ‘wanna be Shahid Masood v2.0′
JinnahFan, I am truly intrigued that whenever Zionist name is mentioned any where in the world, some one crawls out from under a stone to ridicule, insult and label, but never to refute. As Teeth says, you don’t have to agree with him, fine, but instead of “give me a break” attitude, why don’t you try to refute what the man says. The only thing that I am not sure about what he saying is the religion part because I have never been interested in any religion but for the rest from what I know every thing he says is true.
Do you really know who controls the European Central Banks and Federal Reserve? Did you know that Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE banking cartel? Do you know how Federal Reserve was created and under what circumstances? Have you heard about the activities and financing of wars by the Rothschild’s dating back to the time of Napoleon?
And to answer your praise of Israel and its chosen people, listen up, any people, I don’t care where in the world, when they develop paranoia and cult mentality and start thinking and living like a tribe they will accumulate wealth and gain power, it is a phenomenon and not unique to them, their tribal activities just happen to be in the most wealthy economies of the world but I can sight the example of sects in Pakistan who live this way and have disproportionate wealth, power and representation in academic and other fields. Fortunately, for the most part human begins don’t live this way!
Here are some videos for your education!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
TM, I used to be in Chicago many moons ago, now I am in West Coast. I used to live near the address you put for your domain registration :-). If I were there, I would have definitely gone to listen to him. I still can’t understand what networking PTI needs to do in USA. Talking with expats? At the end, they all just come with "present govt is $**t, give us chance". What ever politicians have to do, do in the country, please do not bring the dirty laundry outside of country.
I just hope that you never take my comments at personal level. You are too precious to lose for these comments of mine :-) …
Does anyone know why these videos are no longer available on youtube or is there something wrong with my browser?
“We all know that this world is going towards a disaster sooner or later and the people who are already identified 15oo years ago are doing the same. But this man surely has aan eye for details and certainly believe the way he brings out the truth for general public. As far as my research is concerned i have not seen any discrepancy in his details. This certainly is an eye opener.
Nice! It’s great to know that I arouse so many passionate emotions; although I’d prefer more favorable ones than the hate being thrown at me.
My point is that Muslims themselves are to blame for the deep problems we are in right now. Notice that I’m not saying that other countries have been great to us; but, seriously, are you all naive enough to expect OTHER people to watch out for our own best interests?
Also, go easy on the videos starring retarded people; just because some idiot has an hour-long rant on YouTube does not mean he’s actually right. You guys sound like the paranoid lot who believe the government taints flu shots to make people do more shopping during the Christmas season!
Hey guys, salaam to all. I just wanted to ask anybody who knows if there is any CD of his programmes available in markets? I have missed few very important parts and his programmes never seem to be repeated. My net speed is too slow due to which i am unable to watch his shows online.
JinnahFan, it was about a specific subject; BANKING Economic Terrorism. Don’t obfuscate, don’t refute if you have no facts to the contrary, the issue with malaise in the Muslim countries is separate and may be a show on its own. The argument that it is Muslims’ fault that they did not become economic vultures and its credit to a certain people that they have, on a human level is a very weak one and in this particular case a diversion. I have no problems in agreeing with you on many issues that concern Muslim countries, but those same problems and apathy exists in Christian and western countries, it just doesn’t show as badly because they are affluent right now. As for hate, no its not hate at least from my side, I am just fed up and disgusted that this self promotion by people of certain race (religion), with their lies and deceit, has completely brainwashed people in the west and now it appears to have infiltrated (western wannabe) people in the east also. Sorry if the language is harsh but the great injustice that is happening daily in Palestine, the global warmongering and the nauseating silence in so called civilized west is proof of this unhealthy power and influence and if you believe that this is just great and a model to follow for all the other people in the world, well then, I guess there is nothing else to say.
Assalam- o – Alaikum to All of you reading this measage
i was going through some of comments shard by borthers and will like to point out onething regarding these Zionists and freemasons…arent ya all aware of Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion written by their worst minds ever…and look what Quran has to say regarding Jews…and if ya still dont beleive then..i dont know what to say…the doom is upon us..only if we realize and work together againt a united front of Jews..free masons and all these so called Earth Distroyers of Peace and Harmony.read Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins..read What Henry Ford said about American Jews…and read The Confessions of a British Spy…u will come to know.their real power
BUT ABOVE ALL DO REMEMBER ALLAH IS INDEED THE BEST PLANNER.
For the Jinnah Fan : Just Do some Research Wil Let u know of the Freemasons in our history linked to Zionists and serving their long term plans:
So called Jinnah..Bhuttos all of them..and above all Sir Syed Ahmed Khan…were all British Agents.serving their deep interests.
take care All
and MAy ALLah Guide us all
[...] original post published at Teath Maestro share with you a five-part series of the talk show Brass Tacks televised on TV One, the interview [...]
So, Naif, your working hypothesis is that the creation of Pakistan, a separate homeland for Muslims, was a Zionist conspiracy?
On “Naif’s Working Hypothesis”
Aga Khan-Founding Member Muslim League
{Aga Khan of Bombay approached sultan Abdul Hamid of the Ottoman Empire In 1898, with “an elaborate plan for colonization.” The plan was based upon Aga Khan’s Zionist friend Professor Haffkine’s masterpiece scheme for the establishment of a Jewish settlement “that could be progressively undertaken in the Holy Land.” Dr. Haffkine had suggested before Aga Khan, “the land would be obtained by purchase from the Sultan’s subjects” whereas “the capital was to be provided by wealthier members of the Jewish community.” However the plan wasn’t accepted. Haffkine was an observant Jews most of his life and in 1929, shortly before his death, he created Haffkine Foundation in Lausanne, settling aside much of his amassed wealth to foster Jewish education in Eastern Europe.}
Terrorism in its all forms is prevailing every where in this Country. Economic Terrorism is being faced by the poor inhabitants since the Emergence of Our Country.
Dear Jinnah fan ..if u do a lill reaearch u will come to know that Jinnah father was a british Agent.in Order to Extirpate religious Teachings& demolish islam from with in they opened a madrassah for the teaching of islamic knowledge and an islamic university in ALigarh. in these scholls they educated religious men who were unaware of religion and hostile to islam. these people caused great harms to Islam , a group of these people were chosen sent to Britain,trained in such a way as to demolish Islam from within and brought to Govt Positions where they would preside over Muslims.Ali Jinnah was a Britsh Fan when he died in 1948, Ayub Khan A free mason Siezed power by staging a coup d’etat.Also Yahya Khan who took this disbeliever place was a bigoted Shiite. when he was defeated in the war of 1971 was later imprisoned,the n came the Bhutto Zulfiqar another British agent Educated and trained in Britain,its like the chain goes on…the basic idea is to relaize the scenario regarding our so called leaders and come to a common standpoint where we can educate our generation regarding the Truth.Hence the Idea of Creation of Pakistan was to divide and rule,colonise as karim pointed out.
What i am looking forward from u brothers out here is that we need to unite for a revolution or a change …where we can choose the best rather than the worst ruling us….and correct me if am wrong, the present scenario relates to the worst of the worst ruling us from zardaris to mush and all.
May ALLAH sace us all from these and more to come.
For Ridz : i have all the programmes ..if u have a gmail account or if ur a resident of Islamabad i have heard his Cd;s are available there.
oryou can download from videopk.com all Brass Stacks Programmes.
Hmm, this has gone from being somewhat funny to ridiculously boring; I’d really like Awab’s comments on the whole idea of Jinnah and Iqbal being Zionist agents!
Well ,All right things..
MQM and rest of the political and religious parties just brought shams,immorality,destructions to this holy land.Time has come to get rid of these leeches.
People of Pakistan getting corrupt morally day by day.Corruption and vulgarity gaining deep roots in the lives of people.Mobile thefting on guns,rapings are crystal clear signs of immorality of Pak people now.Our rulers are big idiots and corrupt..ALLAH also says…We oppoint tyrant rulers on the nation which are corrupt….So see zardari is extremly corrupt and now as RULER oppointed by Allah…Nawaz shareef and others are also same…Dont you know during Nawaz ear,people are buring themselves due to poverty and he was enjoying his powers…Altaf Hussain destroyed urdu speaking community totallt.Made them thieves and terrorist…in Baluchistan same caliber of rulers there..Sindhi community is paralysed mentally..they listen and follow their sick leaders..Punjabi community is tyrant and shamless.Pathan community is total illetrate and cave-dwellers…So how can one wishes for a better Pakistan..they all dont want to come out of their rotten life styles…This time we Pakistani people are seen with degrade looks from world community…Pak army is not loyal to Pakistan..Politicians are not loyal to Pakistan,public is corrupt,religious leaders are extremely extremist and narrow minded and corrupt..so I DO NOT SEE ANY LIGHT OF BETTERMENT IN PAKISTAN…Now new goverment based on alliance has no power to do any thing good as their LORDS
(foreign powers) are letting them to do any good…MAY ALLAH
GUIDE THESE PEOPLE or DESTROY THEM..AMEEN
Well ,All right things..
MQM and rest of the political and religious parties just brought shams,immorality,destructions to this holy land.Time has come to get rid of these leeches.
People of Pakistan getting corrupt morally day by day.Corruption and vulgarity gaining deep roots in the lives of people.Mobile thefting on guns,rapings are crystal clear signs of immorality of Pak people now.Our rulers are big idiots and corrupt..ALLAH also says…We oppoint tyrant rulers on the nation which are corrupt….So see zardari is extremly corrupt and now as RULER oppointed by Allah…Nawaz shareef and others are also same…Dont you know during Nawaz ear,people are buring themselves due to poverty and he was enjoying his powers…Altaf Hussain destroyed urdu speaking community totallt.Made them thieves and terrorist…in Baluchistan same caliber of rulers there..Sindhi community is paralysed mentally..they listen and follow their sick leaders..Punjabi community is tyrant and shamless.Pathan community is total illetrate and cave-dwellers…So how can one wishes for a better Pakistan..they all dont want to come out of their rotten life styles…This time we Pakistani people are seen with degrade looks from world community…Pak army is not loyal to Pakistan..Politicians are not loyal to Pakistan,public is corrupt,religious leaders are extremely extremist and narrow minded and corrupt..so I DO NOT SEE ANY LIGHT OF BETTERMENT IN PAKISTAN…Now new goverment based on alliance has no power to do any thing good as their LORDS
(foreign powers) are letting them to do any good…MAY ALLAH
GUIDE THESE PEOPLE or DESTROY THEM..AMEEN
JinnahFan you are an idiot of the highest order :P . Yes you are. Why? Because when people ask you to refute what Mr Zaid says in the video, you should try to refute instead of calling him retard. But idiots like you are not few, they are everywhere and growing in numbers. So do some research, put some evidence and give some arguments instead of disrespecting people who know more than you. idiot!
people, if u have any solution or directions for the above problem, your efforts are welcome.
but please do not just criticized each other, lets talk about solutions… JazakAllah
Zaid Hamid has a deep analysis of different issues and foreign policies. If some wants to prove him wrong he should come up with genuine facts.
Where is his program recorded ? ISB,LHR,KHI …..
This is regarding Me and U and everyone out there if they can read and if these words reaches them in time. Its 2015 and guess what we have achieved the boom promised by our so called Leaders,Presidents,Prime Ministers,and all of
them,I Envy their Heart Their Guts and Their Free wills.Have nt this thought ever Crossed Thier Minds that they will be held accountable for what they do
as our leaders,even just for Once.HOw do they think they will?… BRIBE the Angels Lord and His Justified COurts of Highest Law standards.BY Swiss Accounts! or Mansions!
or Even BY Sacrificing the lifes of their SO CALLED Followers!!!!
Brothers and Sisters this is not time to Crictizse this is the time for Action or we will not be there By 2015 0r 2010 Pakistan will merely exist and guess what generations after us will only be studying US in thier
Altered Text Books..do we want it to be this way?
Just think for a MOment : NO PAKISTAN=== NO PAKISTANI’S!!!!Was a Country
that was in ASIA for some time till the People of that COuntry Self
Destructed themselves.
MY APPEAL : ” Be it SHIA,SUNNI,PAGRI’s of WHAT COLOR AND TEXTURE,
BE IT HANAFI,ABDALI ANYONE as long as he/she believes even to the
Extent of a CELL that ALLAH IS there for ever and Muhammad(PBUH) is the
LAST Prophet. Thats IT : Its time to Unite, its time to stand together
its time to be brothers and Sisters to the extent that our So called
HEARTS accept it HONOR IT and DIE FOR IT.
THE WAR And WArriors are Upon us in the shape of AMERICANS.JEWS.INDIANS.
u namethem they pretend to be muslims so that they may interfere in our Ranks ,,Create DISCORD and Seperate us.WHy are we still following them.
i ASK OUR MR.PRESIDENT, hey there are ya BLIND or WHAt …Hmmm
U can see i beleive , hear them coming ,,but what u do plan to runaway to
another State… I BET u will Succeed..live for some time 4,5,8 years right!
Mr. PResident then what ..will u not go 6 feet down..or will u not
be accountable for deaths/arrests/torture of millions of Muslims,detained
at Foreign Prisons tortured each day COZ they will NOT LEave ALLAH
and his Book.
Please I Beg to state i Beg to ya all …see it as an opportunity
its EITHER WAY :
VANISH WITHOUT FIGHTING,where our sisters/mothers Raped,tortured by
these So called UN Forces.1000s of bodies burried in One grave.
OR OR OR OR
WE CAN DO WHAT ALLAH ASKED US REQUESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE :
” hang on the ROPE tightly and dont be in Discord”
WHat ROPE ?? i see no rope from the SKY !!! shall i wait for it to some.
hang on to the QURAN(Mother OF ALL BOOKS) FIRMly before by ALLAH’s WIll
its text is taken back form us and we will remain in darkness, headed by DARK
and WORST OF THE MEN AS LEADERS till we
live and even UPSTAIRS!!!!
Salaam u Alaikum ma dear brothers,
The programme Brass Tack by Zaid Hamid is one of the most best programme that i hadn’t seen ever. I always watching his programme in my spear time, even if i hav no time in this busy life in australlia but i m watching him consciously. There is truth n no hypocracy that Zionist hold the entire world economy… but unfortunately idiots like (JinnahFan) will never be understanding… my brother Naif given u hints about intellectual u to understand…, Your wisdom isn’t more then Zaid Hamid, he is highly extensive God made scholar ever…, but such a peoples like u are always underhand by Jews n Freemasons. Do some lil search about that what Zaid Hamid said pleaze don’t present your low-rated scum comments about Zaid Hamid sayings. I m extensively agreed with Zaid Hamid!
May Allah guide u plz Jinnah pan
heyy, don’t b so idiot, nd don’t b a master of ur master, u don’t even (f u k i n)know abt the truth, jst u raise da name of zionist or wtever u say that.. i gotta tell u somthing that if u r chrishian so u r da one jelious person i ve ever seen him,
if….
u r muslim then u r a muslim but jst by name, u r living n america nd they gave u lots of dollars nd sucked ur all family, hahahaha,
nd nd nd also truth is very painfull when hears somone who is actually stand behind lies,
suck u…. nd suck ur zoinist mr jinnah
Well i reckon about Ishrish that he is rightfull in these conditions with Jinnah … Zaid Hamid LONG LIVE!
Hello Everyone
I have been watching Zaid Sb videos and the concept he is trying to develop of a parallel economy among people who have a thought and can do initiate this from individualism to communities to cities to privinces to states.
Althought this idea is wonderful and fully explains that why Quran and Hadith uses the word Dinar and Darhmas constantly, however Allah and Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) knew that in our time there will be an alternate currency, but still they want us to adopt the gold and silver concept to save ourselves from these rascal Zionists system.
I would like to add to this it is us the literate people of Pakistan who should initiate this system within ourselves and we are the ones to spread the awareness to the illiterate, less privileged and poor people of Pakistan by giving out Zakat worth in Dinar (Gold) and Darhams (Silver) so that in time these poor people will realize the significance and adopt it as they are a mass.
Mashallah Ramadan Alkareem is near and we will giveout Zakat please try to spread it in terms of Dinar and Darhams and lets start it this year and Inshallah we shall prosper.
With Best
Excellent Videos on the system of Ad Dajjal in Urdu.Pls watch by clicking on the arrow on the screen of each one….
Jinnah was a Shia so pls ignore all that JinnahFan has to say….Excellent learning and a true eye opener.Thank you Zaid Hamid.May Allah Bless you,Ameen.
Assalam Alikum
i want to ask about videopk.com????? i cant find it???? i want to download whole episode of this program but on youtube there is only 4 to 5min recording of its episodes…. if anyone know any site to download this program tell me…..
The Jinnah family was originally ismaili (shia off-shoot), but MA Jinnah spent a mostly secular life. It is therefore naive to conclude that he aptly followed the shia madhab, especially since during his last years he had very close ties with prominent sunni Ulema. And the fact that he willed for his funeral to be lead by Molana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani(RA) is reason enough to not label him a shia.
Allah SWA guides whom he wills.
..i only heard that he belonged to parsi family not ismaili.you better confirmed it from dr .safdar mehmood.
hi all!
i am new here. Recently just came across these videos and found them quiet interesting. I however didn’t watched them on youtube but a bigger version of the video is available on Google videos( incase if you guys missed it). similar to video your comments are very interesting as well. Well to confirm it yes what Zaid Hamid said about the whole banking system is very true indeed. but there are some shortcomings in the way he presented it. And fact is its a general mistake many of us make when considering one single banking system. There are more books published on this topic. If the bank lend money to a borrower it will end up in other bank. Paying your gas bill is good example of withdrawing money from one account and paying to the gas company which might have an account in different bank. so the more the bank loan out the more deposits are created else where and they all end up in one single controlled bank. Fed of USA is just like another Central authority to back commercial banks(such as Habib Banks, abn-amro etc) when short of liquidity. They set up fractional reserve ratio that is to be sure the bank have enough liquidity when required.
If you watch the whole videos he talked about using gold instead of paper money. Which is highly impossible; chiefly because of Mobility and liquidity. Infact he should have talked more about full-reserve banking system where currency is totally backed to gold and the state sets the price. For example 1000rs can be backed to 1 gram of gold. this would not only bring the macroeconomic stability; in it key instrument which is Inflation. This what all traders look at and if trade is important then inflation is what the state needs to dealt with. Having zero inflation is also a very bad decision just as we cant have zero unemployment.
I can keep on writing about it. But do some research on it and please do comment.
Kind regards,
Alisaad
Sorry i forget to mention. I highly recommend the videos as i find them very informative and absolute joy. Highly appreciate the effort of brasstacks in bringing such a useful information together. And very truly Zaid Hamid emphasized over giving Zakat and encouraging others to contribute towards this blessing as well. Looking after neighbors its just another form of goodness as well.
Kind regards,
Alisaad
I really appreciate Mr Zaid Hamid and his team who r doing this wonderful job of awakening Pakistanis. This is actually the need of time and not that the bloody politicians of our are doing. Zaid Hamid is an ideal person for those who really love Pakistan. He lived and living his life as a true muslim mujahid. The knowledge he is transferring on media contains the true information and inside game which Zionists are playing in the world. I must say that at this time we need a person like him to come forward for this nation.Request to Mr. Zaid Hamid Kindly think over my suggestion.
In the end i must say that Allah give Jaza-e-Khair to all of u for all u are doing for Islam and for our beloved nation Pakistan.
Thanks & Regards
Zaid hamid’s analysis is superficial. He starts with the medium of exchange taking exhange economy 4 granted, n never delves into the question of how value is generated in the first place. I advise u all to think deeply n unbiasedly wid an open mind b4 getting too impressed by this man.
Check this thread out, so far the admin hasn’t validated my reply posted in that thread while others are posting their’s without any prb (i wonder why):
http://brasstacks.pk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=153&sid=ac58ccda82dc15077cd2223683e3a454
Awab,
I wrote the piece below yesterday. I wanted to reveal all I know about him as it was a burden on my heart since I saw Zaid Zaman Hamid re-surface through his self-sponsored programme ‘Brasstacks’. I hope you also remember all our mutual friends who fell prey to his charisma and his so-called ‘imam-e-zamana’ Yusuf Kazzab who was sentenced to death by the Lahore High Court. Mansoor Tayyab’s elder brother Rizwan Tayyab was the main activist of this cult in our area. He is now a psychiatric patient and not living a normal life. You may call Mansoor for further details as he and his whole family is still suffering.
You may also remember Saad Moten, Waseem Asrar, Mujeer, Atban, Danish and Shahzad of our area. All were sucked in by his misguided beliefs. Only Saad Moten defected and was one of the members of the team which played its role in the sentence of Yusuf Kazzab.
Zaid Zaman is now been planted by the same invisible forces which launched Shahid Masood with his first programme ‘End of Times’.
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The reality of Zaid Zaman Hamid
Ghalib’s verse which later became a proverb “Hain kawakib kuchh, nazar aatay hain kuchh” is true for Mr Zaid Hamid, the fiery young expert of strategic issues and Jihad who has shot to fame in a few months through a programme Brasstacks on TVone.
Yes, Zaid Hamid is really IMPRESSIVE and he is taking the simple idealistic people of Pakistan, especially youth and women by storm. Had I not known him for the last 20 years, I would, too, have been all praise for this ‘new’ bright face on the TV talking about Zionism, Muslim conquests, Afghan Jihad, good and bad Talibans, and what not through his self-sponsored TV programme.
Just a REMINDER and WARNING to all my friends who trust my words:
If you guys remember the Pakistan false prophet, YUSUF ALI, who was arrested and sentenced to death by the Lahore High Court and then murdered in Kot Lakhpat jail by a fellow prisoner – this guy Zaid Hamid was known as Zaid Zaman at that time and was the Khalifah of that Kazzab. Zaid is still leading that cult which belongs to the firqah batinyah of sufism and they have a different aqeedah altogother which they only profess within their inner core. Many of my personal friends fell prey to his charisma in the 1990s, some of them reverted back to Hidayah and were instrumental in filing a case against Yusuf Ali which ultimately lead to his death sentence and the cult members dispersed for a few years.
All of the followers of Yusuf Kazzab are now gathering once again in Islamabad and after 11 years Zaid Zaman has reappeared as Zaid Hamid.
I first came to know about Zaid Hamid when he acted as a translator to Hekmatyar in 1989 during his visit to Karachi. I was really impressed by the bright faced young engineer from NED University who spoke excellent Persian, Pashto, Urdu and English. Later, I came to know that the training centre for Pakistani mujahideen in Posta Fez, Jalalabad was run by this man. I soon got introduced to new friends who were part of his team in Afghanistan. I even tried to run away from home in 1991 at the age of 14 to go to Afghanistan but was some how caught and persuaded by my family to refrain. In the same year I distributed several cassettes of a documentary – Qasasul Jihad – produced by Zaid Zaman, which showed live scenes of combat between Afghan mujahideen and Russian forces. For me Zaid Zaman and his team were like the re-incarnation of the heroes of Muslim medieval history.
However, soon Zaid Zaman was the centre of a scandal of misappropriation of funds of a large UK-based NGO, Muslim AId, of which he was a representative in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He also then parted ways with Hekmatyar and Haqqani and joined the ranks of Ahmed Shah Masood. Later he abandoned Jihad altogether and became a Sufi.
In 1994, when I was in aitikaf in Ramazan, one of Zaman’s close associates, who was also a very close friend of mine, came to meet me and started talking strangely about the “real” meanings of Islam denouncing each and every known Islamic scholar. He said that all translations and commentaries of Quran till date were blasphemous. He also said that every century has an ‘Imam-e-zamana’ who we should take bayah (oath of allegiance) of and he would soon arrange my meeting with that Imam.
Alhamdulillah, because of my strong Salafi beliefs I never ever met that so-called Imam-e-zamana but many of my friends fell into the trap. Soon, Yusuf Ali was being invited to dinner parties in many of my friends’ homes who were seen holding beads (tasbeeh) in their hands and preaching zikr and sufism here and there.
I lost many of my closest friends as I felt very uneasy with their beliefs and discussions. The basis of their belief was a ‘maudhu’ hadith that Allah (SWT) created the noor of Muhammad (SAW) before the creation of the Universe. That ‘noor’ will remain till eternity and even if the Prophet (SAW) is physically not with us today, his noor is present in the ‘Imam-e-zamana’ and hence he should be followed as the Prophet (SAW) was by his companions. Na’aauzubillah!
Meanwhile, Muhammad Tahir of Weekly Takbeer broke the news of Yusuf Ali and his cult quoting statements of some of the defectors. Yusuf Ali was accused of claiming to be a false prophet, immoral practices including sexual abuse of his women followers and homosexuality. Soon, a case was filed against him and the Tahaffuz Khatme Nabuwwat people also became a party. Yusuf Ali was arrested and sentenced to death based on irrefutable evidence of his misguided beliefs including the claim of false prophethood.
Click to the link below to read a BBC report by Zafar Abbas on the death sentence of the Pakistani false prophet Yusuf Ali:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/867449.stm
The Tahaffuz-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwwat office at Numaish, MA Jinnah Road and journalist Muhammad Tahir still has the record of that case and clippings of related news reports containing statements of witnesses who were once part of the cult themselves.
The name of Zaid Zaman Hamid also appeared in several of the news reports appearing in those days in Takbeer, Ummat, Khabrain, Jasarat, etc as he was the key promoter and khalifa of Yusuf Kazzab and the witnesses during the court proceedings and the press statements mentioned his name.
According to my knowledge, Zaid Hamid is still leading that cult in Islamabad and sources close to him confirm that he still proclaims the same beliefs of Yusuf Kazzab. It is not confirmed, tough, whether the new “Imam-e-zamana” is Zaid Zaman himself or some other person.
If you want to warn your friends and family from this fitnah, please spread this message to everyone you know.
May Allah (SWT) guide us all to the right path. Ameen
I saw Zaid Zaman on someone’s recommendation – and found him utterly superficial – spinning up the same old things I knew for long. Whether someone impresses or not depends upon the knowledge of the recipient audience(s). For instanc eon the 1965 war it was is if he was reading out of a newspaper article ..of course his style makes it look sophisticated.
I only watched a few episodes of Brasstacks (which is a self-paid program on TV-One) in which he said nothing new. About zionism, neocons, etc, a lot is already available on the internet and books written on these issues can make a dedicated library on the subject. He is only trying to impress the masses with his rhetoric and excellent communication skills. On Afghan Jihad, 1971 debacle, war on terror, etc he presents half-truths trying to defend the crimes of the army and the establishment. Nonetheless, i am least concerned what he says. My area of concern is that he and his cult members should not be able to misguide people once again with their distorted beliefs and conspiracy theories.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani also shot to fame when he defeated a christian priest in a manazirah and Muslims all over India were all praise for that guy who came as a fresh breath of air in their era of depression. Even Allama Iqbal, Hakim Ajmal Khan and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad attended the congregations of Ahmediya Jamaat initially as they thought that that movement will bring about a renaissance for the Indian muslims with their intelligent and progressive approach. What happened later? We all know the answer.
In short, I am not an expert of economy or strategic issues. What I am saying is that I know this guy and have been following him since late 80s. Some of his comrades have been my closest friends. Those are all intelligent people who impress everyone they meet. But their misguided beliefs are what they want to propogate to meet their objectives (what ever they are).
Shortly, I will get the detailed verdict of the lahore high court on yusuf ali’s death sentence and also all related press clippings (which also contain zaid zaman’s name in several instances). I will get them scanned and uploaded on the internet as a reference for all concerned.
please don’t miss Mr Zaid Hamid’s RIDICULOUS views on how to build peace between India and Pakistan:
going through some comments here, I can only say that this man is hell lot better than so called “Dr.” Amir Laiqat, which many like JinnahFan are following like poodles.
The only problem is when someone bring Islam as solution, many Muslims again as JinnahFan can’t take it, perhaps they fear they have to stop boozing, eating pork or worst have to stick with only their lawful wife.
I only know one thing, Islam speaks from hearts not minds, and when your heart believes in something, thats truth.
rest go to hell!!
jinnah is a 100% agent..he and his masters afraid about the research of great man zaid hamid..i dont know about english enough but feelings r there..zaid is a living legend of pakistan..and i think mr jinnah is living evil..there is nothing in my mind but one thing zaid is doing his job for islam and spc pakistan
Assalam – o -Alaikum to All…Esp Mr. Naufil and Mustanda!!!…Interesting Thoughts and Events Quoted by these two Gentlemen.
Well Mr Naufil if what you said is true..and i being not on anyone’s Side ..a Student of Truth Perhaps can Figure it out that Mr.Zaid Hamid Speaks of Truth..that is for sure..i Have read the Protocols and many Zionisnt Research Material way b4 they appeared on TV and was Noticeable.Including Henry Ford Books and Much more.
The Point is i Found the conclusions and Research of Mr.Zaid Sahab to be Upto the MArk..its true and Truth Shall Prevail. What he thinks or Intend to think is not With U or ME….its With ALLAH Alone..so lets not Just judge Hearts of People trying to do some good for this Falling and Failing State and nation.
its time to be together rather then Pointing at each other…if you have known him for some time as u said 20 Years….Where were u when all this hapenned here in Pakistan…why didnt u try to Educate our uneducated Masses.
Esp on Zionists and Evil Doers.
Just A note: during 90’s when i was reading and researching on Protocols and their Context,,i tried to share it with my friends and others of My findings and Nearly at 99% of the time all Were like …Whats this Crap Leave it aside….Jews and Zionists will never do such things and alabla……
BUT now they have changed thier views and minds ..bundles of thanks to Zaid and not so Thanks to the Situation of our Country.
Their Mission : TO DESTABALIZE PAKISTAN AND MUSLIM UMMAH AND HEAD TO MEKKAH AND MEDINAH.
OUR MISSION : STOP THIER MISSION / BY HANGING ON TO ALLAH’s ROPE(QURAN).and expect some Forces(SPIRITUAL) to Help the Opressed Muslims.
MAy Allah give us strength to Identify the Truth and Work for PEACE not WAR.
One of the Google ads on this page is
“Was Muhammad a Fraud?
Combined Jewish, Christian, Muslim teachings resolve deadly arguments”
This one is way too out of place on this website, isn’t it?
hi awab,
I know you from your childhood.
Zaid Hamid, whose real name is i think so Zaid zaman, he is phycho and fitna. his leader yousaf khazaf claimed to be next prophet so he was sentenced to death by court and there
in prison one of his fellow prisoner killed him. Zaid created a new sect in Islam and detroyed several persons life, who I know persoanlly.
The Brass Track is intensively informative and knowledge providing programme and thankful to Zaid Saheb for providing us nation with reality Economical terrorism which leads to treats to the nation of this world . I would to give advice if this kind of Programme should be made on
Islamic History and Principles of Islam, which to gett for depth knowledge of Islam.
“Perfect” way to verify the truth, by word of mouth. your proof of Zaid Hamid’s past can easily be proven false. I can say its false and then say I have known Zaid Hamid since school. there is no way to prove me wrong or prove you right. your pathetic article and an attempt to discredit and defame this man only veryfies one thing that everything he has revealed to the people of pakistan through BrassTacks must be true. this fits perfectly into the way the zionists deal with people who reveal their agenda. first discredit them, and if their popularity still grows then imprison them or kill them. I “congradulate” on taking the first step for the zionist agenda.
the thing about these blogs are that anyone can say anything and label it as the truth.
if you really wanna know the truth you have to seek it. do your own research and seek the truth. Allah knows the truth, may Allah guide us on the right path, and open our eyes so when the truth is in front of us we can recognise it.
Hey wateva pplz thinkin about ZAID HAMID that hez EVIL i thinkin hez da best person eva in da pakston. yea i nu some dickheads dont reallly lyk him cuz hez upright thats why.
OOYY Abdullah NOORANI i swear GOD ur dichead n tosser head, u don even know wat hez tellin u about da world facts, u really losser n get ya lyfe, fuk u fuk off from da page,don lyk ur mean n meanless coments here, jack offfffffffffffff
Zaid Hamid is LEGEND n even australian pplz also lyk him here. :)
Well HaroonRashid doesn’t know much about zaid hamid programme brasstack….. but some episode watched the program been informatic related how economical changes occured in the world in different circumstances.
Dear All,
Lets not get carried away with the topic. I dont know anything about Zaid Hamid, but whatever he is saying is 100% right. I would suggest all of you to surf the web and do some research and you will be shocked with the facts. I am sure you will loose your sleep over it. Now you will know why Allah hate them (bankers) and ask all of us to fight them, because they will be going to make us slaves and want us to be dependant on them, and they are the ones who bring demise of humanity. They have ruined christianity and now Islam. They have created “Heroes” out of “Villains” and we are still sleeping. Its literally a war between “Allah” and “Satan” and THEY are propagating the Satan’s Agenda. This is very serious and must be propogated to the masses. We cannot stop them because it bound to happen. The day will definitely come of which Allah has promised and we are not very far from that. No wonder if we see it coming during our lives.
Please my friends open your eyes and dont fight with each other on petty issues.
Here is a link to start with… Just read the articles on this website and start your research.
http://www.savethemales.ca/how_to_control_the_world.html
May Allah protect us from all evil.
Ameen.
Assalam – o- ALaikum to ALl
Agree with Shahab.Well Written Brother and nice choice of words.
Regards
Mr. Zaid Hamid is a sincere and brave hero who can say the truth openly without any fear. I wish him all the success in his mission.
Mr. Zaid Hamid is a jaamaati – he used to be jamiat nazim in NED university. Yes that fascist organization – of course he is bringing his good for nothing jamaati mentality to his analysis. Its amazing how his short bio and background info on his website never mention his jaamaati affiliations of the past.
He was a well read and an intellectual person at NED too – though I would have disagreed with his ideology. The problem we have today is that there are too many conspiracy theorists lurking around Pakistani medai. Case in point Dr. Shahid Masood and others. All they do is read is consipiracy theories of the net and then present them the audience in Pakistan which largely unaware or not priviliged to read these themselves.
That is not to say that the West is not working to protect their interests in Pakistan and its place in the geopolitics of our region. Indeed the West, along with their lackeys in the forms of corrupt arab regimes have long worked to undermine growth of Pakistan. However, I believe in the end its us, yes we the Pakistanis, who are ultimately responsible for our destiny. We have lost our way long time ago and look outside for targets to blame rather than looking inside to identify our own faults. I guess introspection is very difficult. On our way we have lost any semblance of self respect and mortgaged our future to our benefactors – yes the people who we look up to to dole out cash for our survival. I dont hear anyone talking about self reliance – educating the masses – taking up the other challenges and charting our future path on our own instead of looking for directions from WDC, Riyad, London, Beijing, Abu Dhabi or Brussels.
All these analysts are psuedo intellectuals – who are not independent rather toeing the line of their handlers – or just plain self-interest – or some hidden ideology. They are not honest and forthright in communicating their affiliations. We can’t continue with mediocrity – no nation should strive for excellence than us! We need true scholars and true intellectuals no matter of what strain – they have to be genuine – they cant be half-baked quacks.
M. Khan,
Well Zaid said that he was once with Jamiat too and if you read his background it does say that….
Is his affiliation with Yussef Kazzab better than his affiliation with Jamiat? Or are you coming from a MQM point-of-view?
I think he will soon replace Jamat-e-Islami, which has been hijacked by Qazi Hussain Ahmed and there is a big void gap to be filled by a religous-political party.
Would Zaid Hamid fill that gap? I wish not.
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Bhulley-Shah,
Well – I am not sure which background info you are referring to in your last post – I checked his website but it didn’t have any reference to his IJT affiliation – rather close and very central affiliation. I believe he was the jamiat nazim at NED.
As for your reference to Yousuf Kazzab – I was not aware of this guy until you mentioned him. I have been out of Pakistan for the last 18-19 years.
I am just saying that Mr. Zaid Hamid seems to be self promoting himself and is being touted as the next big thing to have bestowed himself on Pakistan. All I am saying that beware! We already have too many demagogues.
Also, I am not coming from MQM point of view or any other point of view – my views are only mine. MQM is another fascist organization led by an ultimate demagogue!
Its time for us to move away from personalities and talk about collective goals, principles, ideology and rise above people worship! Look where people worship has gotten us. We gotta look at the message not the messenger – in the USA evangelists and conservatives were sold the right wing ideology by the neo-cons through an idiot. People, no matter how stupid they were and how stupid that right wing ideology is/was, didnt care about the messenger rather they concentrated on the message to achieve their goals.
@Bhulley-Shah
“Check teetho’s latest blog on this guy”
Had I seen this first, it sure would have saved me a lot of typing there… :)
We should not blame anyone, Mr. Jinnah or Allama Iqbal, rather should correct ourselves in a positive manner. They did something very great. Can you do anything like this or even a bit resembles to it?
@ Dear Commenters,
be carefull we have many Qads disguised under many fictitious names, they are pure pain in the neck, don’t
waste time on them, do’nt just answer,
I just want to say i like your programs.
I always learn alot from your program.i want to ask you that why muslims are backward in all over the word.
why Pajabis bring discrimination amog Balochs?
Certainly there is nothing new in these videos except for the ignorant.Everything he states -is true – and can be confirmed on inter-net!
Having said that,the person himself has a big ego;and is indulging in self promotion for nefarious reasons.I wouldn’t trust him.
How can any intelligent pakistani believe that indian govt tried to blow their best hotels??can anyone think that mariott islamabad was blown up by pakistan govt?? similarly does zaid has even smallest idea as to what will be cost of war for both pakistan and india?? brave language and congrats by hardliner look good in movies but fact is simple that pakistan need to focus more on reducing ecnomic hardship of own people .
i believe that pakistan govt may not be involved in mumbai attack and some people in pakistan alongwith some associate in india may be involved.lastly saying that indians donot hav brain is stupid because every human has similar brain and indians hav proved that they are more successful than pakistan in many matters.
zaid is idiot of first kind and he and television channel showing his stupid interview is doing disservice to pakistan
To sohail masoud;
Zaid Hamid is not stupid but you. Why don’t you understand who are our true enemies? India and Israel because both have fear about our nuclear capabilities and they were also involved in a failed attempt (a joint operation) to destroy Pak nuclear plant in the past. Now we have solid proofs that Indian RAW and Israeli Mosaad are operating in Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan. They are supporting some elements of Tehrik-e-taliban Pakistan, BLA in Baluchistan etc etc. Wake up and open your eyes if you are a patriotic Pakistani. I hope that you ARE!!
This is directed to Jinnahfan. He thinks that if we follow in the footsteps of Israel, we will soon be an Asian Tiger. You are too naive. You think that “they” will let you be like Israel so easily when you yourself is the bone of contention that “they” are fighting over. Very well said “desperate time require desperate” measures. I totally agree with what Zaid Hamid is saying which has been said so many times in the US media. I think Jinnahfan, you can verify easily whatever Zaid is saying on google in particular and internet in general.
Can anyone actually prove whatever they are saying againt zaid like brasstacks being a paid-for program.
Sohail Maoud, you were probably born yesterday. False flag operations are not fiction. Germany did it to invade poland, japan did one to create hate for chinees, russia also did one. USA planned one againt cuba on record buy claim they never did it. Do some research first.
Zafar mengal, brother please pay no heed to the media, punjabis might be humor-lovers and make jokes about everyone including themselves like butts or shaikhs or chowdhary jokes etc, but they do not hate any enthnic group. A seperatist govt in Balochistan spreads these lies.
@Zaid supporters, he is not “Dr zaid”, he is not a PhD or a medical practitioner :)
M.Khan,
zaid himself accepts that he has been affiliated with many groups. He is not intellectually dead because he experienced things first hand by meetings all kinds of people like Allama Iqbal did in his time.
They day zaid says anything anti-pakistan i will also be against him, but right now, his “in your face” answers to all traitors in pakistan and all our enemies are a source of pride for most pakistanis.
grow up people, let the guy do his work. Why dont you pick on someone like zardari, or gilani, or altaf, or nawaz, or anp and bla traitors???
Its kind of strange that Naufil commented that “he will go and scan/print the evidence” and then never returns to blog…. Naufil… Can I see the evidence… please…. or are you just making stories..
after all that have been uploaded and debated on this blog of teethmaestro http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/10/07/who-is-zaid-zaman-hamid how can anyone say that Naufil didn’t fulfil his promise?
Now the debate is not whether Zaid Hamid was a follower or promoter of Yusuf Kazzab or not. Zaid has finally accepted this fact. The issue he has raised now is that Yusuf Kazzab was falsely implicated. For that the detailed court verdict will be uploaded on the net soon and then it is up to you to decide whether Zaid’s argument in favour of Yusuf Kazzab is correct.
Jazakallah for your concern and w’salam.
Zaid Hamid knowledge is really very very good. Every human being has to respect him and give confidence to him.
Naufil et al. I don’t care who Zaid Sahib supports. Character assisination has long been used as a tool to discredit anyone who matters.
Its not only that Zaid Hamid is saying these things – a lot of people around the world are saying the same things. Christians , even Jews are saying these things.
@ JinnahFan and people who support his view. If you think this series is crap then please watch the movie “zeitgeist”. As most of you believe in Gora’s view only then better watch that and then tell me if the above posted series is a joke.
Dear Friends,
Assalam-o-alaikum !
What is BrassTacks
BrassTacks is an independent and private Think Tank and Defense Analysis Consulting Group specializing in cutting edge and ground breaking research on International, Regional and National Security, Political and Economic issues. We are devoted to providing thought-leadership to the country, at a very critical juncture of our history.
BrassTacks Situation and Intelligence Reports, Political and Security assessments and analysis on complex global security issues are taken as benchmark by governments, media, think tanks, policy makers and corporate environments.
Based in Pakistan and armed with grass root intelligence, exposure and experience, BrassTacks’s professional team of analysts brings a fresh, unique and incisive insight, of the thinking, perspective and views of the conflicts and global threats and offer comprehensive analysis and solutions to the security issues faced by the Muslim Ummah.
Our corporate website is located at http://www.brasstacks.biz
What is our Mission?
Pakistan today is faced with serious geo-political and domestic challenges. BrassTacks, founded by Zaid Hamid, is a group of responsible and competent Pakistani Citizens, who have taken up the challenge of showing our nation what foreign and domestic threats we face, and what we must do in response. We are not a political party asking for your support or votes. We are not an NGO or social organization that seeks donations, infact, we do not accept any cash donations whatsoever. In the words of our founder, Zaid Hamid, our organization is Pakistan, our identity is Islam, and our constitution is the Quran. We represent nothing other than total commitment to the ideology of Pakistan and Islam. All that we ask is from the people is to educate themselves on the very important national issues that we are highlighting, and come together to work collectively and in their own individual capacities to implement solutions that we are proposing related to our economic and national security problems.
Our analysts and researchers have spent a number of years researching National Security Issues, International Geo-Political Developments and Global Economic Policy, and weighed them in the light of the principles of Quran and Sunnah, to come up with effective, concrete, and actionable recommendations that the nation must undertake.
BrassTacks is a call to action – A call to stand up together to selflessly serve what is destined to be the most important instrument of Islamic renaissance: Pakistan.
For current political issues and news please visit our official website http://www.brasstacks.pk
Thanks,
Sincerely,
Nasir Manzoor (Nickname: Omer)
BrassTacks Team
BrassTacks
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Ph: +92-51-559-8046
About 70 years ago, there was a charismatic young man, who blamed all of Germany’s problems on the Jews. In the end – more than 50 million people – Germans, Japanese, Allied, Axis, Jews, Gypsies, Russians – had been killed.
The problem with the likes of Zaid Hamid is that they prefer to blame, blame and blame. There is NO self-introspection, no form of analysis, no usage of the grey cells we know as the brain and absolutely no logic in all the conspiracy theories that he likes to propagate.
But it’s really good. He speaks well…. and the more people listen to him, the more deluded they become. The more deluded they become, the sillier the actions they will do… and the sillier the actions they do – the sooner it is that Pakistan will be declared a terrorist state. And guess what – Hamid will blame that on the Jews as well !!!
Dear Desimunda the World’s Stupid Person !
If you say Pakistan or Pakistani’s are Terrorists, then will you please answer me of my few questions today?
First of all I will give you compliments about your Country, whether you are from Red Indian Country (INDIA) or Isreal or USA whatever …. You all black Indians are living in imaginary world, India said he is Super Power Country in Asia, he have 1700 Jet Fighters, 3000 Tanks, 250 Gunship Helicopters, etc. etc. … many more things they try to show to Pakistan.
Ok, we agreed India have Strength, India have power of Military and Army, as you will know Pakistan don’t have as much as this for Defense, Pakistan have almost 450 Jet Fighters only, 1500 Tanks, etc. etc. Now you can see the difference between India’s Power and Pakistan.
Now listen to me you bastard Desimunda ! Keep your ears open now, if you coward people, a coward nation of India’s are still afraid to fight against Pakistan and your asses are getting wet when you think to fight against Pakistan’s Army then do not talk about WAR …….. Mind it and embossed these words in your F*****G mind and heart, do not talk about WAR again and again.
You all Christians, Jews, Hindus are bastards, don’t have heart to fight face to face, you are getting involved to Stupid USA who is already loose the War in Afghanistan and Iraq. You both are losers nothing else.
I will say this INDIA IS COWARD and his Army is also biggest COWARD.
While having a big Defense Capability against smallest Pakistan, you are not able to fight against us then why you are Barking again and Again ……. come one lets fight if you have something to show us?
Otherwise don’t bark again, Mr.Zaid Hamid is the Lion of Pakistan who F**K your Stupid Defense Analyst Mr.Bharat Varma throughly.
If you are a real human bieng, then do not reply me madar chood.
That’s precisely my point. See my post and see your reply. Neither do you have the manners to talk in a sensible language, nor does your post make any sense.
More importantly, the issue of cowardice, religion, conspiracies are being raked up by you – not by me.
2 months ago Brasstacks declared that the terrorists who attacked India were hindu because they had red-threads around their wrist. Now, they turn out to be Pakistani.
But – what’s even funnier – is your use of foul language. Well done. I’m sure you’re absolutely proud of your upbringing which teaches you to argue with a foul mouth rather than discuss issues with a certain amount of sensibility.
And regarding the issue of fighting – that’s a typical Pakistani response of late. We say – let’s talk. You say – we’ll fight.
So… boo… run away little boy. Make up more conspiracy theories and guess what – we’ll watch, we’ll giggle…. and at the end of the day, you won’t need India to cause chaos in Pakistan. You lot are doing a superb job.
veery veery good speach by zaid hamid shab i m impres and got to know about america and there financil stats about the world i m impresed by speach.
Desi Munda
Do u think the kind of character assasination that ppl like u are up2 can change any1’s point of view. Have ppl like u ever done ur research on important issues that zaid is paying so much attention 2 bring infront of the mass media? For that matter what do u know abt freemasons or the rosicrucians or for that matter about any dysfunctional secret society that is trying its level best to impose secularism around the globe.
The problem is not with zaid hamid the problem is with ignorant people like u. who contantly disgrace themselves by refuting the arguments of a khalifa (Islamic Scholar). and then disgrace themselves further by demanding respect.
My point of view would be futile in this respect as ppl like u who just like 2 slander ppl on their face value without an insight on the fact of the matter (Which by the way could be attained by a little research).
I would like u 2 read the following post by ahmed qureshi on the concerned subject:
Title: The Zaid Hamid Controversy
Source: Not Allowed to post URLs (pakistankakhudahafiz. wordpress)
Summary:
Scores of Pakistani and non-Pakistani writers/TV guests/speakers are allowed to speak against Pakistan on most of our television networks. Some of them ridicule Pakistan’s Independence, others work their minds out just to prove that Pakistanis have no future and do their best to demoralize our people. The Israelis – living in a state that is truly doomed in a sea of hostility – are the most optimistic and forward-looking people you will find anywhere. Ours is a great nation, a continuing story of achievement that goes back a millennium and beyond, and a people who survived history’s toughest challenges, and who are capable of emerging as a dynamic nation in the 21st century. And yet some of the ‘defeatists’ in our midst are celebrated and given space in our newspapers, TV screens, and radio channels. But God forbid if one of us comes forward with a strong nationalist message of hope and pride in our nation.
I am referring here to Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani nationalist and a good Muslim. He hosts the show BRASSTACKS on TVNewsOne about internal and external threats to Pakistan.All that the man did was raise the voice of Pakistan and spread the message of optimism, strength and pride in who we are. Along with this he has a strong sense of religion and faith. He is a believer. But instead of appreciating the work he is doing for Pakistan, a minority of ill-intentioned people among the Pakistani elite has unleashed a campaign of disinformation against Zaid Hamid. I suspect they are doing this because they hate his strong religious views. These misguided Pakistanis forget that Zaid Hamid’s religious views are open to debate. You may or may not accept them. But can you disagree with his vast body of work in defense of Pakistan and to enlighten the Pakistanis about their strengths, weaknesses, and the strategic situation we find ourselves in?
Below I share with you this private email that Mr. Hamid sent to one of our members, responding to the campaign against him. Once again, everyone can agree or disagree with the man, but we should not let a voice for Pakistan be scuttled by pessimists and self-haters.
Ahmed Quraishi
Islamabad, Pakistan.
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: BrassTacks
Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Who is Zaid Hamid???
To: Emaad Qureshi
My Dear Emaad,
aa. Jazak Allah for your message.
Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping my self under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this deen and in love of Rasul Allah. My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remains for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
Those with noor can see the rehma, baraka and khair from Allah and love of Rasul Allah in the life and mission of this humble faqeer. Hasbu nallah Naimul Wakeel, Naimul Maula wa naimun Naseer.
Curse of Allah, angels and momineen be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhemmed Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem are those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhemmed Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.
They have accused me of gravest of sins, called me a Kafir and Murtid, follower of false prophets, running cults, doing khiyanat in wealth of orphans and widows, working for secret services against the State, and sponsoring my own program on News1 through secret funding of dubious agencies. Also, being a fraud by pretending to be a doctor or Professor !
Do I need to respond to these shameless slandering initiated by this site ??
There are four names we see: None of them know me despite their claims.
- Abid Ullah Jan — He has never met me in life.
- Tahir (reporter) He too has never met me in life.
- N. Shahrukh, (who does not expose his name or address) whom I sure I have never met in life or at least never in last 17 years since I left Karachi.
- Faiyyaz Alam, whom I am also sure have never met in life or at least never in the last 17 years.
How on earth can they claim to know me ????? What are their motives, intentions and backers to try to stop our mission for Pakistan’s national security ???
What evidence they have provided? What they present as evidence is only fabricated allegation of Kufr and Khiyanat not proof !!! Each and every allegation must be backed by proof. Quran, Sunnat, Sharia, law and truth demands it. They respond allegation with more allegation. Have they asked me and seeked clarification before making their Bohtan ?? Are they willing to come and confront me face to face with proof on all bohtans ???
I wanted to avoid a global e-mailing match as this is what they want to draw us into to distract us from our real mission for Pakistan and Ummah. Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required. I will not defend myself any further. Even if you clarify our position, please maintain dignity and honor at all times and don’t make a public shouting match.
We don’t need to scoop to lower levels to defend ourselves and this Deen.
We will inshallah, not be distracted and continue our mission of protecting Pakistan against all threats, internal and external.
Wassalam and duago
Zaid Hamid
Type up “protocols of zions” in ur search engine. ull find a lot of material that validates Mr. Zaids theories.and yes also research about the “crusades”, “templers” or “knights of the secret order” . Maybe the information that u research will open ur eyes to his theories or insights.
Iam not providing any specific links here as i dunt want 2 act biased by any means nonetheless i have spelt out the important keywords which may be helpfull in ur research.
May Allah (swt) open our eyes and show all of us the right path amen.
Character assisination !!
That presumes that Zaid has character !!
From his absolute certainty that Kasab was a hindu (which has now been proven incorrect) to his rantings that Pakistan should continue to send terrorists into India – well…. I have no problems with the deluded jehadi supporter.
Continue to listen to him. He is doing more damage to Pakistan than RAW ever could. Maybe we should recommend him for a Bharat Ratna…
Oh – and the “Protocols of Zion” were proved to be a forgery more than 60 years ago !!!
Oh yes…. and it’s high time that you guys woke up and stopped blaming all your problems on “secret societies”. Let’s face facts here… Pakistan is a gutter of a nation. At this point in time, you are close to being a basket case. Do you REALLY think that ANYONE would be interested in you?
The SWAT valley is out of your hands. Talibanis are buring schools and scaring girls to stay indoors…. clean up that mess first (and guess what – freemasons, aliens, little green men or santa claus – blame anyone you want to)
My dear friend desi munda
I really dont know whether i should pity ur ignorance or laugh @ ur hate filled sarcasm. Nonetheless if ur talkin abt swat valley or any other region of Pakistan u should 1st be aware abt Pakistans history. The Pakistanis are a tolerant people and any 1 persons opinion does not represent the state’s point of view. Getting back to Ajmal Kasab’s issue, do u have any idea there are more than 65 terrorist camps currently operating in India. Do u for that matter take them as representatives of ur state? If u are aware abt the Indo Pak history many of these militants originate from the civilian riots that took place after Pakistan and India were declared soverign states. These people were personally hurt in one way or another after independance. True, the repurcursions of war or the aftermath could be deadly for both sides and that is exactly what we Pakistanis have been suffering from a long time now.
What do u think breeds militancy?
Have u ppl ever tried to answer that question?
Do u have any idea abt the sufferings of the people of Kashmir?
I do not support terrorism of any form (whether it be international terrorism like American and Israeli conflict in Gaza, or local terrorism in the form of militancy )
1 more thing death brings more death (iam reffering to what is happening in kashmir forgive my bluntness but it is high time that kashmiri people be given their right of freedom)
U n me can talk freely because we are living in an independant state without fearing abt a bomb hitting our houses. But what do u think these people have to go through each n everyday.
Do u seriously think any1 would be so stupid to go in2 a war not considering his family and children.I certainly wont and Subhan Allah I am a muslim. A person only goes to war when the very life of his loved 1’s are at stake.
Mark my words this is only the begining hate brings more hate and death brings more death if this international terrorism is not put 2 an end u ppl will hear such a cry that this world has never heard before and dont underestimate the power of the muslim spirit.
As far as these little green men, santa claus or free masons or wateva u call them. They exist. Not exactly in the pixie like form that u consider them 2 be but rather as human beings just like u n me. and yes they also control the media and the minds of most through it. As far as the revocation of the “Protocols of Zion” is considered kindly send me the link or document or wateva valid source u have that testifies this fact and i will believe u. Otherwise I believe I have made my point very clear.
1 more thing in ur own words “they prefer to blame, blame and blame, there is NO self-introspection, no form of analysis, no usage of the grey cells “. How much of this statement have u ever applied on urself.
Well…. we do plenty of introspection. If India did not do any, we would not find a hindu group guilty of the Samjhauta bombings would we?
Now let’s look at Pakistan. First, you refused to accept Kasab was a Paki. Then it was – he was kidnapped from Nepal. Now, that it is proved he is a Paki – the next thing was – he is dead. Well.. he’s alive.
So let me guess…. the next ploy would be …. the attacks were planned by someone else? And in the meanwhile, allow the terrorists to function.
Masood Azhar roams freely in Pakistan – yet when asked to arrest him – your people claim he has disappeared. Very nice.
You get bombed by the Americans every day. Do you know why? TERRORISTS IN YOUR TERRITORY !!
We, in India have far too many problems. The last thing we need is a useless basket case in our neighbourhood where people talk about using nuclear weapons as if it was going to the local halwai to buy jalebis !!
The fact that you Pakis and those jahil Arabs continue to believe in forgeries like the Protocols of Zion is amazing. I’d suggest you look it up on wikipedia. The full name is Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Forged by the Russians in the late 1800s – the Arabs and the mindless Mullahs seem to have made it mainstream documents for you guys.
What’s even more amazing is the likes of Zaid Hamid talking about the need to nuke India and Israel. Not only does he need a dose of reality – but I honestly wish – that you do what he says.
You’ve done it in the past when you killed more than a million Bengalis and raped more than 200,000 women repeatedly. It’s a shame we did not try your 90,000 PoWs for war crimes and hang them.
Introspection is a funny word. You guys still believe that Kargil was caused by Mujahideen – when – 6 months later – Musharraf gave gallantry awards to more than 60 of your armymen – for something that they did not participate in. Funny – isn’t it?
Now, India may have 65 terrorist camps or it may have 100 or it may have none. However, terrorists do not go to Pakistan from there. Neither does our government support it. Your government, on the other hand, is full of people who openly support Taliban.
Wake up and sort yourselves out before you destroy yourself. And blame it on the world if you want to – but at the end of the day – Pakistan’s biggest problem is Pakistanis !!!
Islam is 1500 years old or if you called Prophet Ibrahim a Muslim then could be 10,000 years but regarding our today’s religious belief, i have come to conclusion that most of it has developed over the last 500 to 700 years.
Mainly during the reign of Ottoman’s empire for Sunni ( Hanafia) religious belief and for Ahl-e- tashee during Safavid empire of Al-abbas
The official patronization of one school of thought has developed a generation with a unique religio-politico-social culture
In Indo- Pak region we can find during the Humayun Era the persian – khurasan culture was florishing mainly because Humayun lived 9 years in exile in Asfahan, we can also see the Nawabs of Lahknow and Awad got big piece of land in reward when Humayun got back to throne
We can see the persian influence on Urdu literature which was at that time in making. In fact the Farsi was the official language of Mughal empire.
Then came the 17th and 18th century Arab nationalism brought revolt against Ottomans, again based on Wahabism
whose slogan was purification of religion, finally the Ottoman got collapsed in 1924
This wave of purification of religion reached India and a new Maslak the Deobandi was formed which is Arabic-socio-political culture in it essence.
The society began to divide between Persian and Arabic socio-religious culture
After 1947 in a new country Pakistan, the founders had to face this cultural divide, let it be clear the Persian culture is not just of the ahl-e-tashee, majority of sunni muslim (Barailvy maslak) have their sufi mystical thoughts are the blend of Persian and Turkish(Ottoman) culture
This blend of culture have already shown resistance against Arabic religio-politics in the name of
KHILAFAT MOVEMENT of Molana Mohd. Ali Jauhar before 1947.
In todays Pakistan the majority province of Punjab which was historically stayed aside of the mainstream politics of India for about 100 or more years mostly under Ranjit singh Khalsa rule has started to define its own cultural affiliation
The forces backed Arabic religio-social order started to influence this majority (62%)population province, which are in general rejected by the rest of the population of Pakistan
We can see the development of Tablighee Jamat to Laskar-e-Tayaba all have their roots in Arabic socio-religious political culture, belong to Punjab, they were patronized by Zia ul Haq Arain a Punjabi speaking dictator.
A recent report published in The daily Times said,that over 90% of the suicide bombers were Punjabi.
This religio-political activism of Punjab whether it is in the name of LAL MASJID or Ch. Iftikhar of Judiciary backed by Mr. Nawaz Sharif of PML(N) is actually under the influence of Arabic-religio-political culture.
In order to minimise or to overcome these forces it is high time to divide Punjab into two provinces so that it will no more enjoys the liberty of having a decisive majority in the national interest for the sake of the integrity of the Pakistan
Best of regards
Ameed Khan
My dear friend desimunda
Forgive me for my late reply. I just read ur post today, not only are ur arguements biased but i belive u sound as if 2 wrongs make a rite. Wat happened with the bengali women was pathetic, not 2 metion how many pakistani women were brutally raped by the sikh and indian soldiers during the partition of Pakistan and India. But do u think this justifies wat is happening in Kashmir and Gaza. Sorry 2 say but u sound as if the indians are taking revenge of the bengalis on kashmiri ppl!!!
Nonetheless i hope u think this is justified. As far as Kasab is concerned wat do u think was happening in lhr when ur RAW agents were caught conspiring in the middle of their plot. Dont u think those elements shld have been tried in court for their heinous intentions. Nonetheless they were handed over 2 ur RAW agency all in goodwill.
As far as Taliban is concerned do u know wat does taliban mean. It means students. The taliban are a student of islamic study, never did i ever say that they truly represent Islam in full spirit.
What turned these students in2 rebelions? Or shld i ask who gave these students weapons? It was ur beloved ally the United States of America that used these very students to destroy Russia. And after accomplishing their mission “khuday lined” or sidelined both Pakistan and Afghanistan. What was even worse they imposed an embargo on Afghanistan after the war.
As far as the suicide bombings are concerned do u know there is currently a mosque in New York that is heavily funded by the state of Israel. The Imam of that mosque is a mushriq (hypocrite) who is serving the ploy of Israel. All he has 2 do is prophesize in front of the orphan children that the hoorain (angelic women) in heaven are waiting for them and that they have 2 serve as a human bombshell in order to attain their heavenly status. Do u think these innocent children understand the bigger plot of their israeli murshids. These ppl are here to demonize Islam in its will and spirit. Nonetheless wat they dont understand is the fact that muslims world over do understand the true meaning of jihad. The biggest jihad is jihad nafs (meaning to learn to overcome the bodily temptation). Do u think this false propoganda against the muslim world can ever serve its purpose? The answer is No. Islam is a religion of peace and if u learn abt it u will come 2 know that our Holy Prophet (SAW) pardoned every1’s life during the conquest of Mekkah. the muslim army was instructed specifically not to shed the blood of women and children, and all those who sought refuge in Abu Sufiyans house were pardoned. And the muslim army was given clear instructions not to raise their swords on any1 unless they were attacked upon. Do u think followers of such a religion would cause a threat to the world!!!
Nonetheless look at the modern scenario of the world from a fresh perspective. Muslims world over are deprived of their basic fundamental rights. And then they are branded as terrorist.
1 More thing do u on a practical note seriously think that with the kind of american surveilance which can spot an ant on the road. These americans are inspite of that not able 2 spot Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al Zawahereen. As a matter of fact now muslims the world over are beginning 2 doubt whether this Osama is really what he is or merely just an implanted agent of America and Israel.
But i belive that ur stolidness is a reflection of ur self analysis and introspectiveness. Think abt that….
1 more thing a countries nuclear arsenals are meant to prevent war not create war. U wisely pointed out that its not like going to a local halwai or jalebi wala. But just recently i was watching ur local channel doordarshan in which India gave sum 14 steps (chouda qadam) to destroy Pakistan, i.e first they are gonna nuke Karachi then they are gonna take lhr and eventually by the 14th step when Pakistan is eventually gonna retalite u ppl are gonna proclaim ceasefire like 71 do u seriously think after hearing all this bullcrap Pakistan is just gonna sit back and relax. Pakistan issued counter statements and evry1 in this world knows that Pakistan is gonna fight back if fired upon. So it would be really foolish on ur govts part if it resorts to such dirty measures. India knows it and the world knows it so my sincere advise to u would be “back off and live and let live”.
RAW ‘ s infiltration in Pakistan
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Here is the article on RAW (the Indian Intelligence) and its activities against the nations of subcontinent.Raw has full swing and highly subversive activities regarding infiltrations in pakistan.Her main object is promotion of seperatist terrorist movements to disintegrate pakistan,as was done in bangla desh. It proves my point of how many Indian insurgents are actively supporting separatist movement in various parts of Pakistan . Read and be informed.Also send to friends, colleagues,audio-video medias,tv and radio channels,magazines,newspapers for its vast publicity in interest of solidarity of pakistan.
Research and Analysis Wing [RAW]
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The Cabinet Secretariat Research and Analysis Wing [RAW], India ‘ s most powerful intelligence agency, is India ‘ s external intelligence agency. RAW has become an effective instrument of India ‘ s national power, and has assumed a significant role in formulating India ‘ s domestic and foreign policies. RAW has engaged in disinformation campaigns, espionage and sabotage against Pakistan and other neighboring countries. RAW has enjoyed the backing of successive Indian governments in these efforts. Working directly under the Prime Minister, the structure, rank, pay and perks of the Research & Analysis Wing are kept secret from Parliament.
Terrorist activities in Pakistan attributed to the clandestine activities of Indian and Afghan intelligence agencies include:
A car bomb explosion in Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995 caused the deaths of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.
An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claimed the lives of seven persons and injured to over 34 others.
A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.
An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura hospital killed 9 persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.
An explosion near Alam chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 11 others.
A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.
On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi , killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.
A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad railway station passenger lounge on 08 July 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 20 others.
RAW executed a hijacking of an Indian Airliner to Lahore in 1971 which was attributed to the Kashmiris, to give a terrorist dimension to the Kashmiri national movement. However, soon the extent of RAW’s involvement was made public.
Current policy debates in India have generally failed to focus on the relative priority given by RAW to activities directed against India ‘ s neighbors versus attention to domestic affairs to safeguard India ‘ s security and territorial integrity. The RAW has had limited success in dealing with separatist movements in Manipur and Tripura in the northeast, Tamil Nadu in the south, and Punjab and Kashmir in the northwestern part of the country. Indian sources allege the CIA has penetrated freedom fighters in Kashmir and started activities in Kerala, Karnataka, and other places, along with conducting economic and industrial espionage activities in New Delhi .
In 1968 India established this special branch of its intelligence service specifically targeted on Pakistan . The formation of RAW was based on the belief that Pakistan was supplying weapons to Sikh terrorists, and providing shelter and training to the guerrillas in Pakistan . Pakistan has accused the Research and Analysis Wing of sponsoring sabotage in Punjab, where RAW is alleged to have supported the Seraiki movement, providing financial support to promote its activities in Pakistan and organizing an International Seraiki Conference in Delhi in November-December 1993.
RAW has an extensive network of agents and anti-government elements within Pakistan , including dissident elements from various sectarian and ethnic groups of Sindh and Punjab . Published reports allege that as many as 35,000 RAW agents have entered Pakistan between 1983-93, with 12,000 are working in Sindh, 10000 in Punjab, 8000 in North West Frontier Province and 5000 in Balochistan. As many as 40 terrorist training camps at Rajasthan, East Punjab, Held Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and other parts of India are run by the RAW ‘ s Special Service Bureau (SSB).
Throughout the Afghan War, RAW was responsible for the planning and execution of terrorist activities in Pakistan to deter Pakistan from support of Afghan liberation movement against India ‘ s ally, the Soviet Union . The assistance provided to RAW by the KGB enabled RAW to arrange terrorist attacks in Pakistani cities throughout the Afghan War. The defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan did not end the role of RAW in Pakistan , with reports that suggest that India has established a training camp in the town of Qadian , in East Punjab , where non-Muslim Pakistanis are trained for terrorist activities. Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has blamed India for funding the current upsurge of terrorism in Pakistan , and senior ministers have blamed the Research and Analysis Wing for the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis which has resulted in thousands of deaths every year.
Terrorist activities in Pakistan attributed to the clandestine activities of Indian and Afghan intelligence agencies include:
A car bomb explosion in Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995 caused the deaths of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.
An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claimed the lives of seven persons and injured to over 34 others.
A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.
An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura hospital killed 9 persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.
An explosion near Alam chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 11 others.
A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.
On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi , killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.
A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad railway station passenger lounge on 08 July 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 20 others.
RAW executed a hijacking of an Indian Airliner to Lahore in 1971 which was attributed to the Kashmiris, to give a terrorist dimension to the Kashmiri national movement. However, soon the extent of RAW’s involvement was made public.
RAW has a long history of activity in Bangladesh , supporting both secular forces and the area ‘ s Hindu minority. The involvement of RAW in East Pakistan is said to date from the 1960s, when RAW promoted dissatisfaction against Pakistan in East Pakistan, including funding Mujibur Rahmanh ‘ s general election in 1970 and providing training and arming the Mukti Bahini.
During the course of its investigation the Jain Commission received testimony on the official Indian support to the various Sri Lankan Tamil armed groups in Tamil Nadu. From 1981, RAW and the Intelligence Bureau established a network of as many as 30 training bases for these groups in India . Centers were also established at the high-security military installation of Chakrata, near Dehra Dun , and in the Ramakrishna Puram area of New Delhi . This clandestine support to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), some of whom were on the payroll of RAW, was later suspended. Starting in late 1986 the Research and Analysis Wing focused surveillance on the LTTE which was expanding ties with Tamil Nadu separatist groups. Rajiv Gandhi sought to establish good relations with the LTTE, even after the Indian Peace Keeping Force [IPKF] experience in Sri Lanka . But the Indian intelligence community failed to accurately assess the character of the LTTE and its orientation India and its political leaders. The LTTE assassination of Rajiv Gandhi was apparently motivated by fears of a possible re-induction of the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) in Sri Lanka and a crackdown on the LTTE network in Tamil Nadu.
The RAW and the Ministry of External Affairs are provided Rs 25 crore annually as “discretionary grants” for foreign influence operations. These funds have supported organisations fighting Sikh and Kashmiri separatists in the UK , Canada and the US . An extensive network of Indian operatives is controlled by the Indian Embassy in Washington DC . The Indian embassy ‘ s covert activities are reported to include the infitration of US long distance telephone carriers by Indian operatives, with access to all kinds of information, to r blackmail relatives of US residents living in India . In 1996 an Indian diplomat was implicated in a scandal over illegal funding of political candidates in the US . Under US law foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to federal elections. The US District Court in Baltimore sentenced Lalit H Gadhia, a naturalised US citizen of Indian origin, to three months imprisonment. Gadhia had confessed that he worked as a conduit between the Indian Embassy and various Indian-American organisations for funnelling campaign contributions to influence US lawmakers. Over $46,000 from the Indian Embassy was distributed among 20 Congressional candidates. The source of the cash used by Gadhia was Devendra Singh, a RAW official assigned to the Indian Embassy in Washington . Illicit campaign money received in 1995 went to Democratic candidates including Sens. Charles S. Robb (D-Va.), Paul S. Sarbanes (D -Md.) and Reps. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.) and Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.).
I’ll go point by point
1. Two wrongs do not make a right. I agree completely. What I was pointing out was simple. Pakistan’s orgy of rape and mass murder in Bangladesh went completely unpunished. The criminals are still roaming free. Indian soldiers committing crimes in Kashmir are in prison… atleast most of them anyway. And honestly, Gaza is not my problem. It’s a massive humanitarian crisis, but not anything that India or Indians should base their foreign policy on. There is no difference between Gaza and Tibet !! Either way, the problems of my nation occupy first priority.
2. Now, except Pakistan, no one else in the world believes that the RAW had anything to with Kasab. Do you realise that it’s election year and ANY government crazy enough to even dream of such a stunt would never ever get re-elected !! I was amazed at idiots like Zaid talking about RAW behind Mumbai and CIA behind 9/11. I think it’s time that you guys wake up and realise that what is happening in Lal Masjid, Swat Valley and FATA is not because of RAW and CIA, but because of your own flawed Islamisation policies. Read Nayyar’s paper : http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/1985HoodbhoyNayyar06022005.html
and by the way … Hoodbhoy and Nayyar are Pakistanis.
3. America is not an ally of India. India has never trusted the Americans. Sure, it’s a big partner for trade right now, but how many major weapons systems have we bought from the Americans – none. We’ve learnt from your mistakes. Americans armed the ‘mujahideen’ during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan – sure they made a mistake – but you guys decided to use terrorism as foreign policy in Kashmir and Punjab…. the fruits of which are being reaped in Pakistan!!
4. I have nothing against Islam. India has 200 million muslims. I have many friends who are muslims. They celebrate diwali with as much enthusiasm as I celebrate Id. The Pakistani version of Islam where music is banned and where schools are blown up because girls should not be educated – THAT is what I’m worried about. Muslims like Kasab, Masood Azhar, Dawood Ibrahim – which are trained in Pakistan and/or given residence and protection in Pakistan are a problem for the world
5. I have no desire for war. But look at the last 3 months. We have asked for the truth and for you to dismantle terrorist camps and the only answer coming from Pakistan – “we will fight a war”. Do you know how pathetic it is? Your airforce on ‘alert’ your troops moving the border, when nothing was happening in India !! Disgusting and paranoid behaviour. And you guys are still in denial about Kasab !!
Have been a bit busy of late, but I will reply to you :-) I enjoy writing back. Take care.
D
My friend I believe u didnt completely understand my post i will also go point by point:
-What I was referring to were the multitude of incidents that took place in 47 when muslim migrants from india were brutally masaccared / mutilated by Sikh and Indian soldiers. Their women were raped brutally again and again and then barbarically butchered. Migrant trains were stopped and these unfortunate passengers were looted and fell victims to the mass genocide carried out by the Indian soldiers.These soldiers i believe were given gallantry awards for their heroic actions. Nonetheless they roam freely as we speak. True Gaza is not ur problem. But kashmir is our problem and the plundering over there continues as we speak rite now. Bharati police force continues to shell the kashmiri ppl to put them out of their misery. And what does ur foreign minister Mr. Pranab Mukharjee do to resolve this crisis. He just takes this issue out of Mr. Hoolbrookes agenda to further postpone the kashmir dispute and their right to freedom.
-As far as RAW is concerned i believe u shld read my post submitted on ur agency above. Not to mention abt terrorist organizations headed by the likes of Ram Senha and other hindu extremist factions who blatantly admit on television that they support ur govt in carrying out riots and are serving as tools for indian (state) agencies. Burning civilian muslim houses in riots organized by these gangsters is a norm like the carnage in manglore. And inspite of ur govt being fully aware of their heinious crimes wat does ur ministry do?
It drops their charges by saying that ppl like ram senha are free to go. Moreover wat do u have to say abt the 8 RAW agents who were captured in lahore just yesterday with maps of important sites in Pakistan that they were planning to detonate. Not to mention a couple of days before a similar gang of 3 ppl associated with RAW were captured. Even these ppl had maps of important sites in Pakistan that they were trying to blow up. These ppl were handed over to India all in good faith.
Have u heard the statements of our foriegn minister Mr Shah Mehmood Qureishi and compared it with that of Mr Mukherjee.
Have u ever for 1nce felt that Pakistan all in good faith does not want war, and is willing to probe in2 the mumbai carnage by investigating in2 the matter. In return to your dossier we have raised specific questions as to the details of the mobile calls of those involved in the incident and also the details of all Indian agents involved in the carnage as the plan could not have been executed without the insider actions of agents within the country. To which Mr mukherjee responds by saying “ridiculous”. Do u have any idea how ridiculous that “ridiculous” sounds. U ppl are askin us 2 arrive at a conclusion without providing us details of the carnage. I believe ur govt shld stop acting like 3 year olds and cooperate in the investigation.
Moreover have u ever payed attention to the hostile statements issued by Mr Mukharjee and by ur COAS Deepak Kumar. Who despite Pakistans efforts to strike regional peace talk continue to be preparing for war. And when they are questioned abt the fact that why are more Indian troops being deployed at the border. Mr Deepak Kumar says that Indian troops are on high alert position. Despite the fact that Mr Shah Mehmood Qureshi is insistingly requesting the Indian government to retreat the Indian troops to peace time positions. Do u think with Indians being on RED ALERT the Pakistani army is gonna step back.
Moreover u ppl are making it all the more difficult not only for us but for urself as well. Since u are well aware that Pakistani army is already deployed on the western border to counter the miltant insurgency and is currently engaged in fighting a global threat. And what do u ppl do to assist the current situation, deploy more troops on our eastern front to make situations worse. Do u think with so much hostility in the air between India and Pakistan the Pakistani army shld retract its troops when u ppl are threatening our eastern front.
And as far as Mr Zaids theories go they are in perfect allignment with RAW’s plan. this is easily explained by the facts i have presented above regarding ur intelligence agencies, political and sociopolitical situations.
And yes Iam sure that the Indian soldiers commiting crimes in occupied Kashmir are right now in prison lavishing in the luxuries of fermented juices and forbidden fruits and their dedicated kaneezain provided and funded by ur govt.
I think before slandering us, ur govt shld punish these criminals for their offences to set an example in the world, intead of giving them undercover aid.
Look up news… not Paki news… check out BBC and Google News to see how many Indian soldiers have been punished.
Then compare that to the number of Pakistani soldiers punished for raping 300,000 women in Bangladesh and killing more than a million Bengalis.
Then ….. let’s talk.
…. and yeah, let’s look at your Government’s support of Al Qaeda. In Aug 2008, your Government announced that al-Yazid had been killed. He is a bigwig in the Al Qaeda….. basically, you allowed him to get away easily. Now, he’s back. And funny enough – he’s sent this funny video to India threatening us in case we attacked Pakistan.
So…. let’s see this : Pakistan saves Al Qaeda man. Lies to the World. Al Qaeda wants to help Pakistan in case of an attack.
Am I the only one seeing a terrorist pattern here?
My friend sometimes u say swat valley is out of our hands because of militant insurgency who are constantly bombing schools and targeting civilians and the Pakistan force alike. Thus in that case these militants are obviously our enemy because we wont kill our own ppl with our own hands. Then on the other hand u point out that Al Qaeda is supporting our govt, when u say they threatened INDIA. In any case ur two points contradict each other.
Wat i would like to ask u here is that if these elements are creating anarchy in our country on one end then as u say they are also supporting Pakistan. There is definate contradiction in the two arguements. Cause 1 cannot be a friend and an enemy at the same time (atleast make up mind when u say whether they are our friends or our enemy cause um sorry to say u sound really perplexed). There is a high possibility that there is something awfully fishy abt the whole situation like a CONSPIRACY. Or is it that I am the only 1 seeing a pattern here???
One more thing i would like to tell u is that after a drone attack 1 cannot make out with absolute certainity abt the identity of the victims unless they have such sophisticated technology. India or for that matter Pakistan do not have such sophisticated DNA tests to validate the identity of the victims. So I would say stop relying on what the media feeds u and use a little common sense and get in touch with the ground reality. “PAKISTAN AND INDIA ARE DEVELOPING NATIONS I REPEAT THEY LACK IN USE OF SOPHISTICTED TECHNOLOGY (LIKE DNA TESTS TO ASCERTAIN THE IDENTITY OF A VICTIM)”. So its fair enough to say that Pakistans claim regarding AL YAZID being dead was based on a high probability. Nontheless militant camps were and are constantly being uprooted by PAKISTAN. Research that on google and BBC if ur so good at research!!!! Now y would some1 kill their own friends if u say AL-QAEDA is pro Pakistan.
And yes as far as my research is concerned when u asked me to search BBC and Google news. I would like to tell u my friend ur own news channels are broadcasting news abt the likes of RAM SENHA and other hindu extremist organizations involved in the manglore carnage. I would recommend u go through ur own news channels or do u also doubt the integrity of ur own local news channels???
Let me also take this opportunity to remind u of the fact that according to the UN polls an estimated 4.5 lkh ppl are already homeless in the tribal areas of Pakistan because of this disgusting war on terror that Pakistan is fighting for nations like u and the west.and the polls are likely to reach to an estimated figure of 6 lkh ppl. Iam not quoting this figure frm pakistani news channels (search it up on google news or wateva form of news u consider valid).
Pakistan has already made a lot of sacrifices for u ppl and 2 date its bearin the brunt of ur unjustifiable actions. For what? so that u ppl can commend Pakistans actions the way u do now. Think abt that!!!
The Ram Sene are a bunch of useless people. Haven’t you heard of the Pink Chaddi campaign?
But it’s funny. The Ram Sene – who are right wing brainless hindus want the same thing as the ‘Duktarn-e-Millat’. They want a ban on boys and girls talking to each other, valentine’s day etc – but let me remind you that 100 nutcases do not represent India. The people of Bangalore and Mangalore are taking care of these m0r0ns…. and our news crews are reporting it without any issues.
Now, this war on terror. Please let there be no misunderstanding. Pakistan is only doing it because it’s balls have been squeeze by Uncle Sam post 9/11. All of the taliban and the mujahideen in Afghanistan were trained and armed by the ISI. There have been links between the ISI and Al Qaeda.
You guys are paying for your sins. I genuinely feel bad for the lakhs of people displaced and the hundreds killed by the terrorists. My heart aches every time I hear of an innocent person blown up by terrorists – whether the person is Indian, Pakistani, Afghan or anyone. However, till the time the people of Pakistan don’t wake up to the fact that the disturbances being caused in Swat and FATA and whatever is actually because of militants trained by the ISI, there is no future for you guys. Wake up and see the truth.
Pakistan has done NOTHING for India. Let’s be clear on that. You guys do whatever you do for your own warped reasons. The fight on terror – your army rushed to get out of it the first chance it got – oh oh … India is going to attack us. Airforce on Alert, Army on alert – and guess what, we never even mobilised our forces.
Masood Azhar was in Pakistan – till 1 day before we asked your country to hand him over – and poof* he disappears. Dawood is in Pakistan, yet no handover. The Jamaat U Dawa has changed it’s name and it is operating again – yet you’re doing nothing.
Realise one thing – your nation is no different to mine. You are capable of greatness…. just get over the petty nonsense of terrorism that you guys prefer to use all the time !!!
My friend
Ahhh the ISI…. Wateva bullshit happens just blame it on da ISI… Now look who is being stereotypical. As a matta of fact dats wat u INDIANS have been doing all dis time just shifting da blame on ISI. My friend u were da 1 who asked me to stop listening to what dey say on pakistani TV channels now i ask u to stop listening to and following ur stupid local media and depend on hardcore facts. Search up ur google or BBC for dat matta and let me knw whether the ISI is accountable for all dis bullshit thats happening around u ppl.
And 1 more thing there is no point in extending u ppl a favor. If pakistan investigates abt the wherabouts of the mumbai criminals u guys just say that its because Pakistan has being taken by the balls by the international community post 9/11. If Pakistan doesnt help u ppl out, u guys just label us as terrorist. U knw wat in either case there is no point in arguing wid u ppl. Nonetheless let the facts alone in yesterdays newspaper speak al by themselves. Pakistan has hunted down those responsible for the mumbai carnage, whereas ppl like Ram Senha walk abt freely burning down muslim houses. 11 RAW agents captured in lhr trying to detonate important sites in Pakistan who were den returned 2 india. I think its high time the international community takes India by its balls and make it rectify all its wrong doings.
Funny boy… Ram Sene have not burnt down any muslim house. I wonder where you get your news from !!!
Sure… they are morons who deserve to be hung, but all they are guilty of, is being right wing idiots opposing Valentine’s day. So get your facts right…. where have you read that Muslim houses have been burnt. I’m waiting for your response.
… and regarding helping… let’s see facts
1. First, Pakistan said, Kasab is hindu because he wore a red threa
2. Then Pakistan said, Kasab is not Pakistani
3. Then Paksitan said LeT was banned (despite it collecting money from all cities ref:Pervez Hoodbhoy)
4. Then you said, Kasab is dead (he is alive)
5. Then you said Austria is involved
6. Then you said Bangladesh is involved.
7. Then you finally admit, that Pakistanis were involved..
so let’s leave that thing about Pakistan wanting to help. IF you want to help, how about giving Lakhvi to us as a gift… let me guess…. that won’t happen !!
Ok ive been followin this closely and well,im gonna agree wit ozzy.Desi Munda,seems like your sitting a nice camio place typing away wht ever eases you.You Indians never believed the existence of Pakistan in the first place.You call ur self the “to be superpower of the region” when u lack the qualities to be one.On the one hand u call pakistanis terrorists.And when we support in arresting and dealing with the menace,u say we are doin it becum of pressure etc etc and uncle sam crushed our balls etc etc.Fact is you guys dont have any sense of appreciation.When pakistan is helping u guys wit the mumbai tragedy instead of appreciating u guys hav loads of exta bull to shoot.Where was ur integrity whn as always u blamed pakistan for the Samjotha express,I dint hear any appoligee from India to Pakistan??? Fact is u got a big ego and a nut shell of a brain.You please the world wit ur Bollywood glam whereas more than the population of pakistan sleep on ur streets.Such horrific sites of poverty and ppl living for generations in onee small tent on the foothpaths is not even seen in Pakistan.And then u talk abt democracy and terrorism.It takes a brat to raise a finger and abig heart to sy thank you.I think itz clear wht u are.Clean up ur own road mess and issues and let us do ours.We dont need to u to teach us how its done.Pakistan is not Afghanistan and india is not Usa.
Very funny AK47…. very funny indeed.
Now, let’s talk about the truth.
1. Never believed in the existence of Pakistan in the first place : Hmmm…. I don’t even know what to say to this. In India, in our geography maps, we have a country to our west in all the maps called Pakistan. That has been the case since 1947. We don’t want Pakistan. So I have no idea where you’re getting that feeling from !!
2. Samjahuta Blast : If India wanted to keep quiet on Purohit, you would have never heard about it. But India went ahead and arrested Purohit and his entire group of hindu right wing terrorists without any input or pressure from anyone else…. despite knowing that it would make our initial claims look foolish. This was done because the people of India deserved to know the truth.
3. Yes, I agree, the media should have appreciated Pakistan’s response more – but after weeks of nonsense coming from Pakistan like “Kasab is Indian, He was arrested in Nepal, Attacks were planned in Bangladesh etc etc etc” what more could you expect?
4. And instead of pointing the finger at India, why don’t you see Pakistani official responses from day 1. All denials until 2 days ago… all denials !!
And forget the media – as an Indian – I’m saying Thank You to Pakistan for finally accepting the truth. And most Indians are saying the same…. but you guys would prefer to believe what idiots like the RSS and Ram Sene say(who apparently are burning muslim houses according to Pakistanis)
And yes, India does not call itself a superpower. Most of this nonsense of “akhand bharat” and “superpower” seems to originate from Pakistan !!!
Ak-47 ur a slick observer i must commend that it would be humble on my part 2 say dat the pakistani nation is fully aware and equipped 2 cater 2 the attrocities commited on it by countries like India and USA.
Not 2 mention dat they blame our highly efficient ISI and then they go as forward 2 say dat our nuclear facilities are not in safe hands just 2 safeguard their own mutual warped reasons / interest. Pakistan is a nation whose very existence was threatened by INDIA since 47 and this was illustrated since its inception as a soveriegn state following the brutal massacre / mutilation and rape of the thousands of migrating muslim families. Later India extended a greater helping hand by not handing over the assets (cash reserve) that were legally entitled to Pakistan. And if it werent for Gandhi (whome i personally consider as a hero) Pakistan wouldnt have gotton nething after partition.
Going forward India was always threatened by Pakistans nuclear facility and its highly qualified Inter Service Intelligence agency, reasons are not 2 mention numerous, but 2 sum it up they themselves are a gutter of a nation where the poverty level is up 2 a miserable level. And they themselves are breeding terrorists who are supported and funded by their govt.
The best way through it all apparently as they see it is 2 start lobbying with zionist countries like Israel and America. With whome they share common interest. To top it all, Y they even share the same gods. If u are aware the jews were a breed of egypt where idol worship was a common practice and 2 date they are creating more idols for themselves and the unaware ignorant masses (american idol being a prime example). Not 2 mention hinduism is primarily based on idolatary. But religion is a subject which i would like to refrain from on this forum, and wateva any1 does is not ma concern cuz every 1 is accountable for their own deeds.
Wat my concern is, is my state where i live and any1 and i mean any1 whose got the nerves to attack Pakistan will have to go through the civilian masses first keeping the forces aside cuz the 1 thing that this nation can give is its very life when the stakes are up whereas these western ppl and indians can only take life. So thats the prime diff between dese ppl and us cuz they dont belive in an afterlive (U only live 1nce and live the american dream, i am still dumbfounded when i hear such slogans & I wonder how much secularism can they still inject in ignorant masses like desimunda who are primarily concerned with celebrating valentines day and when their very own women and sisters are raped they are the 1’s dancing with banners of human rights).
Nonetheless desimunda wake up and smell da fresh air there is more to life than valentines day and guys talkin to girls. The worlds got bigger issues like poverty & misery to deal with. And yes as far as Ram Senha burning down muslim houses are concerned well my friend iam quoting this from a broadcast that was televised on ur own local media. And as far as the samjhauta bombings are concerned i belive its ur states responsibilty to deliver an apology to Pakistan via a televised address, where the international community could also hear. Moreover Ajmal Kasabs issue has reached a point where Pakistans efforts are being appreciated world over. Whereas the issue of kashmir is yet 2 be resolved. The bharati forces continue to plague the kashmiri ppl and put them out of their misery, y dunnt u try to focus ur attention over dere instead of focussing so much on valentines days…..
Zaid has understood the ploys of the Jew very well, and explained it in a simple way. If we avoid Usury ….the blood supply of the jews….they will die a natural death.
People like Zaid Hamid only reflect our nation’s fetish for conspiracy theories.
And most of the people on here in the comments sections that have asked for “refutations” of Hamid’s thesis should remember that the burden of proof is on Hamid and his followers, not on those that poke (a million) holes into his embarrassing “scholarship”. So can any of you please give me something other than make-believe facts and dodgy sources to confirm that the Jewish people are indeed hatching a conspiracy to end the world?
Religion is quite a potent drug.
I wonder what they teach you in history…. you mention the massacres of muslims. Well, what about the massacre of hundreds of thousands of sikhs and hindus…. wait.. they don’t teach you that do they?
India has been anti-Pakistan…. what a joke. Look up facts. In 1948 – Pakistani Army dressed up as tribals, invaded Kashmir. In 1965, read up about operation gibraltar. Read up about Kargil. Read up what happened in the aftermath of Mumbai – all those denials.
Let me make this clear. Do you REALLY think India wants to absorb Pakistan? Alright – I’ll put it in another way. No one wants to reattach a tumour back into the body !!
And also read up India’s compulsions when we signed the Indus Valley Water Sharing Agreement in the 1960s….. (ps.. there were none, we signed it for the greater good)
Now, regarding the “burning of muslim houses by the Ram Sene”…. I wonder which “Indian Channel” showed it – but a word of advice – that channel with a PTV written on it, isn’t Indian…. so yeah, my challenge to you… find it on the net where it says so and post it here…. and let me guess …. you won’t be able to find it.
And the funny part is – you guys are playing the victim here… atrocities by India? Waah… do you really think that Islamic Hardliners like Baitullah Mehsood and TTP and that kind of people would take help from India (it’s like saying the RSS or the VHP might take money from the ISI – what a joke)
The sooner you guys wake up to reality and stop blaming the world for problems created by yourselves – the better.
And in the meanwhile – I’m waiting for the news article… waiting for what is obviously more Pakistani propaganda.
(and it’s funny… you guys seem to have NO answers for any of the points I’ve made – just the usual rhetoric that Pakistan is famous for – or should we call it “Sheik Chilli giri”
Regarding your first post – that article does not mention Ram Sene – and more importantly, it is a not by an Indian author either. Qureshi is another one of those deluded people who still believes that Kasab was a hindu Indian because he wore a red thread around his wrist. So… should we trust him?
Either way, neither of what you’ve posted indicates that the Ram Sene (who are useless m0r0ns) are burning muslims. So, cmon, either admit you were wronf, or post something substantive!!!
I completely agree Farrukh.
Today, I opened a box of cereal for breakfast, and the packing was faulty. All my corn flakes were stale. These bloody Zionists are trying to affect our minds and want to make us weak by forcing crap breakfast cereals on us. Their conspiracies MUST BE STOPPED!
Sadly,
I would have to say this that we pakistanis are sufferring for past 60 years because we cannot stay united due to our foolishness.
Please read Shariah and Islam, you cannot blame anybody without proof, if you are that sincere with Pakistan and Islam, why not you just go to Zaid Hamid and ask for a clarification directly, and why not ask him that why he is not publicly giving clarifications on all of the blames on him.
Also, we Pakistanis, blamed Quied-e-Azam, Allama Iqbal r.a. so what else is left.
Regards
Dear Sir,
I am student of gurate class i listen your docomentry and different programs in different setlight channals i verey glad to you
America is attacking the land of pures on weekly basis by drones. And all you guys talk of is a false bravado.
Zaid Hamid is a good presenter better than average human agreed. But there lies the danger with eloquent folks. He is a pied piper.And is leading u kids to caves as in the proverbial story. By the way today ‘justice and senses’ have prevailed in Pakistan…so as a well wisher I congratulate (tahe dil sae mubark). But this is begining…and the journey is long. Building a society is not a one day match or even a test match or not even a good cricketing season. It needs decades of perseverant collective hardwork. Hitler was apparently good orator ..he moved nation(s) to disaster…on the contrary was Gandhi a good orator? no ..
did he have a great persona ? not in a conventional way.
Zaid has all the traits of a good leader …but he is so full of hatred. He is a zealot …a war monger . so beware.
We had and have so many great folks. Mother Teresa , Kalam , Ratan Tata , Manmohan Singh , Sri Ravisankar , Chidambaram etc… list can go endless. I never see them spreading hate. They are silent workers. There action speaks much louder than words. What our neighbours need are more leaders like jinaha , Gaffar(we call him seemant gandhi..i.e. gandhi of other side ). We need messiahs of love and peace. Fine Pak can nuke us and we can nuke them.
Where does it leads…to the road to hell. Remember why youth of pakistan are ready to die in pakistan??? No one wants to die here in India. And I am sure no educated middle class Pakistani who has a decent career and life wants to die there too. Young jihadis are ready to die because they are so frustrated with life and apparently India is the reason of all the miseries(atleast that is what they are being told to like of kasabs in madrsas).
Most of the well to do Pakistani people dont send there wards to madarsas. Just take your cabinet for instance. I am sure 99% of the children of these leaders would be getting education in western places (or west like places).
This is dualism that we have to understand and accept. This is dualism ..not hypocrisy …mind you.
to be continued …
Why Omar Sharif is superior to Zaid ?
Simply because he makes folks laugh.
We have so many tensions. Tensions of wife , life , career , childrens , nations , civilizations , leaders , ploitics , office politics , sautans, padosans , past and future(apparently there is no present …reference to Amir Suhail in his famous commentary last year in India with yashpal sharma). We dont need to be reminded ….for a break we need to forget..we need to laugh… And this is what khushwant singh’s view about humour ” it is the capacity to laugh at ourselves …rather than others”. So many jokes are cracked on Sardars and they usually dont get offended. We hindus crack ribald jokes about our own gods and so called sacred stuff. I ask why are muslims so sensitive ? Recently there was a fatwa in malaysia that non believers can not even utter word allaha. Why ? Tomarrow they might release a fatwa that remove vowel “a” from lexicon. I have seen omar shariff making fun of our gods and rituals. I have seen videos on utube some converts breaking idols of Hindus (Sri Ganesh ). But we dont create a ruccous about it. And a Danish cartoonist making a wise crack on prophet and see how the very existence of muslims come to danger. There is a saying “do unto others what u expect others to do to you”. Another saying says “Charity begins from home”.
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To be continued.
Who is the biggest enemy ?
I dont think Pakistan is the biggest of India. Nor is it America or China or any nation on earth.
Same is true for Pakistan. We apparently talk so eloquently
and enthusiastically about ‘Tareekh”(History). But fact of the matter is that we have more often than not used , abused and distorted the history to obtain our so called “Strategic Objectives” ( and Mr Zaid Strategies are made and discussed in Board Rooms not on TV …so say it we are propaganda machinery …accept it).
I can give u a very objective analysis of History and lessons that we might have learned …but I leave it for a future project.
My aim is to analyse
1)who is the biggest enemy ?
1.1 ) Who is biggest enemy of an Individual ?
1.2) Who is biggest enemy of a Society?
1.3) Who is biggest enemy of India , Pakistan , Americal
, Israel , Japan , Hindus , Muslims , Zionists ,
Believers , non believers?
And for that I dont need to begin with History …5000 BC .
And here is the simple answer.
Ignorance.
Yes Jahalat is the biggest enemy. Jahils can be misled to a war. Jahils are the biggest issues for India , Pakistan ,
Palestine , America. Jahils are a huge burden.
Eradicate jahalat.
Give respect to women , because she is the first teacher of child. She is the corner stone for removing jahalat.
Kabir Saheb ( a Sufi born to a muslim who lived as a Hindu ) says :
Pothee padh padh Jag mua , pandit hua na koyae,
dhai aakhar prem kaa padhae soe pandit hoyae.
( No one in the word has become wise by reading volumes of books, just absorb two and half letters of love(Prem) and you would be wise).
another couplet goes like :
Bura joe dekhan mae chalyaa , bura naa milyaa koyae,
joe man khoja aapna , moe sae bura na koyae.
I was in search of evil and I could find none,
when I introspected , I evilest is in me.
Where is Kabir’s pointer to the so called Satan?
It is none but the “Ignorance” of Individuals.
Ignorance of Zaid , Ignorance of Alok , of Desimunda ,
of Amjad , of Ozzy , of AK47:-) , of this , and of that.
And we can imagine ourselves on a pilgrimage let us say Haj Yatra. Zaid is 100mts away , x is 2 kms behind , y is traveling on a donkey , z would be coming by helicopter.
No one could say I am holier than thou. We all are seekers.
We are on a journey . We haven’t arrived.
Regards
I thank Teeth Maestro for space he has provided for this
guftagoo. Allaha Hafiz.
My friend Alok
1st of all i would like 2 address u regarding us making fun of ur Hindu Gods. We’ll 2 be honest we muslims are not taught 2 make fun of any religion according to our scripture the Glorious QURAN. As a matter of fact Islam was not spread using the sword rather people were invited to embrace Islam through tableegh. People of all other religion were given equal respect and were allowed to practice their own religion after the famous conquest of Mekkah. No 1 was barred from practicing their own religion. Number 1. Number 2 Omer Shariff is not an Islamic scholar nor is he a voice of the Muslim Ummah. And we muslims totally shun his actions of making fun of ur religion if ever he did something like that, that is. Number 3 According to modern psychology religion is an integral part of a persons ID (according to sigmund frued theory of ego, superego and ID). And we muslims respect that fact that people of all other religions whether it be christians, hindus or any other religion have their own inherited ID’s which we totally respect and understand.
However as far as that stupid Danish artist is concerned. He is 1 of those ignorant fools who had no idea of what he was potentially making and this was reflected by his ignorance of the rage that was invoked by his work in the muslim world. If he would have done his homework and would have taken out a little time to go through the muslim ideology plus if a little research was done on his part he would have discovered that our Holy Prophet (SAW) is the most revered human being for the muslims nation. And his actions could have disastrous consequences for his countries economy since out of the total world population every 5th person is a muslim. Dat explains y danish economy has suffered so much, after his outrageous and blasphemous act. Muslims the world over started boycotting the danish products. And 1 more thing a persons purchasing power is directly proportional to his education / litracy. Thus all the educated muslims also shunned his heinous activity. Whereas according to u only young illetrate jobless muslims participate in JIHAD. My friend this meltdown of the danish economy post this stupid artists work is an example of economic jihad. In which both the ruling elite and the opressed muslim factions participated beutifully. (Please do clear ur perception abt JIHAD by researching on it)
So u c my friend as far as principles are concerned there are no compromises, a person who goes against the political system of a country is called an anarchist and deserves state punishment. My question to u is wat do u call a person who goes against his own religion? number 1. And as far as ur posted passage is concerend u blatantly admit that u make fun of ur own hindu Gods. Now my question 2 u is dat if u make fun of them y do u worship dem? And if u make fun of them urself how do u xpect other ppl like omer shariff not to abuse them? So u c ma friend 1st u respect ur own religion den u shld xpct other ppl to give ur religion some respect. True charity starts at home…..
Alok
My sincere, humble and friendly advice 2 u wuld be to start respecting ur own religion rather than cracking jokes abt it or u culd start studying comparitive religion and determine on ur own which is the best 1 which u can follow and revere for the rest of ur life. For a person who lives for nothing will certainly die for nothing but 1 who lives for sumthing will die for sumthing, for eventually evry1 has 2 die sumday. But in the end wat mattas is wat uve accomplished.
ozzy because I understand that Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. As a matter of fact I observe there is a great confusion regarding what do you mean by Islamic Ideology. That is why everyone has their own interpretation as per their limitations / understanding. What I know is Great Prophets /Pirs /Persons live their life in exemplory manner and stupid folks spend their life in interpreting “what did they mean?”. They try to archive what they said etc etc .And this is nothing but mediocrity and herd mentality. And here I agree with folks like Qaedae Azam that religion is something very personal , it is not a display thing. And it is not something that needs some sort of movement(because movements are only political they can never be religious). So I keep away from so called religion and religious places. They mean nothing to me …just a sort of clubs ….deviced by society…there is nothing personal about them …nothing first hand…just parroting and arguing…no understanding …no reflection. So I live a one man religion and I am proud to say that here in India I am absolutely allowed to follow my own religion(without even need to coin the name for it ). We say ‘Aham Brahma Asmeee’ . That means I have interfaces with universe(direct connections …no dalals). And that is what Hinduism is all about. A prince born of Sakya Clan went in search of truth and he realized the truth. His followers formed a religion called Budhism.
Remember Budha didnt form a religion it were the followers who formed the religion. Same is case in every religion.
And as you are saying that muslims respects other’s religions …here you are not even Ignorant …you are innocent in my opinion. The name of Personalities after whom your missiles are named were known for their hatred and ill deeds towards Hindus. But that doesnt mean that you dont respect others beliefs/values. Prima facie you do and that is the only way it should be with anyone ‘balanced’ .
regards
Alok
My friend as u say hinduism is a way of life. Just 2 be sure y are there casts systems (like brahmanism, kashtrias and sudras) defined in this way of life. I believe that in order 2 say a religion is balanced it shld be based on equalism for all casts / creed. The only way a person is exalted above others is by virtue of his / her deeds. True when u say women are the pivotal point of a society and in order for a family 2 consist of balanced / educated individuals the wife has 2 be a source of knowledge for the family for it is at the hand of a woman that an infant recieves his / her primary education. Islam does not by any means prohibit women from pursuing their education but by any means it also does not allow vulgarity as this leads 2 adultery. As a matter of fact this is a very delicate subject which needs 2 be further elaborated upon. My friend dont take it personally but i dont think u would want ur wife / sister to have a pre / extra marital affair with some1 else. And I dont think any sane / decent individual would want that. Nonetheless women are given equal privelages in our religion such that they are free to pursue their education provided that they adequately cover themselves up. I would ask u but 1 thing if u leave a can of milk open in front of a cat and if the cat drinks it whose fault is it? Is it ur fault dat u left the can lying open or is it the cats fault? .There are certain things in our life which may create negative externality in our society if they are not effectively monitored / controlled and i believe u wuld be better able 2 understand them cuz I c in u an educated individual.
But my friend i would also like 2 mention here is dat Islam unlike hinduism or any other religion is a complete code of life which if followed stricly serves for the betterment of mankind. I would just give u 1 example Iam sure that since u r able to comment on our Holy Prophet (SAW) I believe that u r also aware that he didnt recieve any schooling / education (he didnt know how to read / write) inspite of that the Book that he forwarded to mankind contains modern discoveries that could not be expected by any means 1400 years ago such as the complete foetel / embryonic development and hardcore scientific facts such as the moon did not manufacture its own light rather it reflected the light of the sun. As a matter of fact the Glorious QURAN is full of such miraculaous Surahs which gives so many scientific facts that makes it evident that it could only be the work of 1 living GOD (SubhanAllah). The Glorious Quran is and remains 2 be the only book that has stood the test of times unchanged and contains all the latest scientific discoveries which were discovered later on and which are still underway.
How then can ppl deny it is not truly the work of GOD.
As far as modern day muslims are concerned whome u quote regularly or are refering 2 time and again I beleive u shld be aware of the fact that many ppl around us are working for their own warped / vested agendas. And all such ppl know neither any caste / creed. That includes muslim, hindu, sikhs, christians etc etc.
As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries.
Thanks ozzy ,
We struck some chords…. some conversation happened..
rather than using expletives …u tried to explain and I
put my view point.
Few clarifications :
Caste System : it was/is practised. And is wrong. It is practised and not prescribed. And more and more Indians are breaking it. Sharukh Khan’s wife is a Hindu …no body has a issue…so far u live with dignity what has religion(so forget about a caste) got to do with that. I cited u just one example there are countless instances.
Woman Education : I know Prophet said get education even if u have to go to china. And he didn’t mention gender when he said that.
vulgarity : Beauty lies in the eye of beholder. What would be Pronography by modern standards much bolder stuff is depicted in our ancient temples(Khujraho Temples for example). So we need to think and introspect about our morals. I feel 99.99 % of people have double standards. This is a Human issue not a Hindu / Muslim / Zionist issue.
So just define your individual morals and dont expect others to follow them. This me holier than u is root of most of troubles of any society ancient or contemporary.
This imposing standards on others is a issue. Teach you children values ( softly …not with an Iron Hand) and leave rest to almighty ( by whatever name you prefer to call almighty ). So the behaviour of my wife and my sister is their own issue and I am sure they do take care of it.
I can not check it and I can not control it and I am not worried about it.
Proffession : Coming back to caste. Initially what you do was the classification. So if you were a miller you were tailee , a butcher was a kasai. Chances of children following family proffession were high. Training / skills acquiring were more convenient. Then wicked persons made it a rule. Ideally we should be free to choose our proffession. And all proffessions in my opinion are fine.
I would not be overwhelmed by a scintist or a doctor as if they are role models or what. Nor would I be impressed by how much money one makes. What I am impressed most is this :
” Are you enjoying what you are doing? ( assuming what you do should not constitutionally and legally affect others adversely). I can not imagine Shoaib Akhtar being a Military Officer. Well he enjoys throwing ball and that is what he does and that is what matters. I want to ask how many people enjoy what they do? Not more than 5 %. And this is another main issue. We are slaves of expectations. What will abba think , what will ammee think , what will society think. Forget it our own expectations wont let us free. We have been conditioned freely. So.
So coming back to proffession and freedom. If a woman thinks that her talent is in dancing or in music or in acting …then who are we to say it is bad? Who are we to kill a woman who teaches music to children? I tell you what
we have been conditioned with so many insecurities. Sometimes I feel that correcting this society is not possible. So I say just correct yourself. Whatever control you have , you have on yourself. I would not shy in Zaid that he is doing something what he seems to enjoy. So it would be waste for zaid if he is not getting the attention that he seeks.
woman adequately cover up : vrery unfair. I am sure ozzy u can move in a chadee baniyan in any street of a city of pakistan on a hot summer day and have priviledge to piss openly. But when it comes to woman they should be dressed
adequately. And again what is adequate for you might be a cabaret outfit for mullaha Radio. So who are we to preach others how to dress.
a can of milk open in front of a cat :
Just see the comaprison. You are saying that a man in society is a Cat ( ao perhaps a wolf I guess , a male fox at the least ) . And the woman a can of milk, a piece of meat. And this is what I think situation is in society.
Hum aur kitna gir sakate haen. It is an endless pit. So again men and women have equal rights and equal freedom and it is their own prerogative to choose their proffession and dresses. Who are we to throw acid bottles on them.
complete code : No one needs a complete code. We typically need a template to fill in the blanks.
betterment of mankind : who is to decide what is good and what is bad for mankind. Noone is license holder of such authority.
1 Living God : Agreed that there is one supreme power in universe. So how does it makes a difference if someone calls it by a different name( I haven’t even named mine).
This “I am right and you are wrong” sort of stance is the fundamental sin. I say “how do I know ?”. You might be right so may be anyone else.
“As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries.”
Thanks ozzy for you invitation. It shows what big heart you have and I would definitely be more informed about Islam and its teachings and would carry on with my quest of truth and reality.
many many regards
alok etc..
Thanks ozzy ,
We struck some chords…. some conversation happened..
rather than using expletives …u tried to explain and I
put my view point.
Few clarifications :
Caste System : it was/is practised. And is wrong. It is practised and not prescribed. And more and more Indians are breaking it. Sharukh Khan’s wife is a Hindu …no body has a issue…so far u live with dignity what has religion(so forget about a caste) got to do with that. I cited u just one example there are countless instances.
Woman Education : I know Prophet said get education even if u have to go to china. And he didn’t mention gender when he said that. But reality is a far from prescriptions.
vulgarity : Beauty lies in the eye of beholder. What would be Pronography by modern standards much bolder stuff is depicted in our ancient temples(Khujraho Temples for example). So we need to think and introspect about our own morals(bura joe dekhan mae chala…). I feel 99.99 % of people have double standards. This is a Human tragedy not a Hindu / Muslim / Zionist issue.
So just define your individual morals and dont expect others to follow them. This me holier than u is root of most of troubles of any society, ancient or contemporary.
This imposing standards on others is culprit. Teach you children values ( softly …not with an Iron Hand) and leave rest to almighty ( by whatever name you prefer to call almighty ). So the behaviour of my wife and my sister is their own issue and I am sure they do take care of it.
I can not check it and I can not control it , Idont want to control it and I am not worried about it.
Proffession : Coming back to caste. Initially what you do was the classification/caste. So if you were a miller you were tailee , a butcher was a kasai. Chances of children following family proffession were high. Training / skills acquiring were more convenient. Then wicked persons made it a rule. Ideally we should be free to choose our proffession. And all proffessions in my opinion are fine.
I would not be overwhelmed by a scientist or a doctor as if they are role models or what. Nor would I be impressed by how much money one makes. What I am impressed most with is this :
” Are you enjoying what you are doing? ( assuming what you do should not be unconstitutional and illegal ). I can not imagine Shoaib Akhtar being a Military Officer. Well he enjoys throwing ball and that is what he does and that is what matters. I want to ask how many people enjoy what they do? Not more than 5 %. And this is another main issue. We are slaves of expectations. What will abba think , what will ammee think , what will society think. Forget it our own expectations wont let us free. We have been conditioned so badly. So.
So coming back to proffession and freedom. If a woman thinks that her talent is in dancing or in music or in acting …then who are we to say it is bad? Who are we to kill a woman who teaches music to children? I tell you what
we have been conditioned with so many insecurities. Sometimes I feel that correcting this society is not possible. So I say just correct yourself. Whatever control you have , you have on yourself. I would not shy say to Zaid, that he is doing something what he seems to enjoy.
woman adequately cover up : vrery unfair. I am sure ozzy u can move in a chadee baniyan in any street of a city of pakistan on a hot summer day and have priviledge to piss openly. But when it comes to woman they should be dressed
adequately. And again what is adequate for you might be a cabaret outfit for mullaha Radio. So who are we to preach others how to dress.
a can of milk open in front of a cat :
Just see the comaprison. You are saying that a man in society is a Cat ( or perhaps a wolf I guess , a male fox at the least ) . And the woman a can of milk, a piece of meat. And this is what I think situation is in society.
Hum aur kitna gir sakate haen. It is an endless pit. So again men and women have equal rights and equal freedom and it is their own prerogative to choose their proffession and dresses. Who are we to throw acid bottles on them.
complete code : No one needs a complete code. We typically need a template to fill in the blanks.
betterment of mankind : who is to decide what is good and what is bad for mankind. Noone is license holder of such authority.
1 Living God : Agreed that there is one supreme power in universe. So how does it makes a difference if someone calls it by a different name( I haven’t even named mine).
This “I am right and you are wrong” sort of stance is the fundamental sin. I say “how do I know ?”. You might be right so may be anyone else.
“As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries.”
Thanks ozzy for you invitation. It shows what big heart you have and I would definitely be more informed about Islam and its teachings and would carry on with my quest of truth and reality.
many many regards
alok etc..
My dear friend Alok
Ill go point by point
Caste sytem: True nobody has a problem when ppl live wid dignity. But the problem arises when ppl are stripped of their dignity and all moralities are compromised for the powerfull whereas the weak are subjected to the strictest condition. True maybe religion is just an obsolete/outdated concept for u and maybe a lot of others, but can sum1 explain the creation of this universe and its minutest details which continue to function in absolute perfection. Free masons tried to xplain it using the theory of chaos and randomness saying that the universe evolved out of a state of chaos and that every atom by itself in this universe carries absolute intelligence. My friend all of these darwinist theories have long been prooven false since all animals have been created with a non identical anatomy. Not even a sigle fossil of a particular animal resembles or has features close enough to that of another animal. The creator knows best abt its creation and dats y the Holy Book was revealed upon the prophet. Did u know eating the flesh of swine is prohibited according to Quran. Modern science has it that the flesh of swine carries cancerios elements which are harmfull for the human body. Moreover there are numerous such examples. Y do u rely on modernization of science and technology? So that u can progress as modern individuals and as a society. Wat has religion got 2 do with it? Well if u read up the Holy book all scientific facts were explained in our scripture a long time back before they were actually discovered.
1 more thing ill give u a very good example. wat if there is a person who gives all his charities and does a lot of work for the betterment of the ppl. Nonetheless he does not follow the ruler of the land. Do u think the ruler will forgive him?
Hazrat Ali (RA) was 1nce questioned by some1 who asked him y shld he follow God if there was a possibility that he didnt exist. Hazrat Ali (RA) replied maybe he did? maybe he didnt? But then he also went ahead to identify two possibilities that is if he did worship God and if God didnt exist he wouldnt have 2 fear his wrath in an afterlife. But if that man didnt worship God and in the afterlive he discovers that He exists. Then he would be subject 2 all his wrong doings and would have to face his wrath at all costs. My friend u may do a lot of good for the betterment of mankind (by the way even Islam teaches u dat). But are u really fullfiling ur obligations towards God. Iam not trying 2 be the person who says Iam holier than thou (for I certainly am not). But do u recognize the fact that u, me including all ppl are subject to his judgement. Iam ceratinly nobody 2 judge u or anybody and I do not by any mean say that “Iam Holier than Thou”. Nonetheless I am just fullfiling my duty as Gods subject to deliver his msg to u. Maybe u can learn sumthin frm me maybe not. Nonetheless wateva u learn and take away from me is not my capability or intelligence. It is the power of his wil that may change ur viewpoint abt his religion and abt this life. We as muslims just function as his khalifas trying our level best 2 deliver his msg. Certainly u r rite ven u say that u shldnt use an iron fist in dealing with ppl. Islam agrees to that spirit. But at the same time it teaches u the fundamentals of how to live ur live with morality and decency linking it to the spiritual aspect of an afterlife.
Vulgarity: There are many phases of zinah (adultery). Adultery of sight (being the lowest phase): provokes sexual stimulation in an individual when a member of the opposite sex is dressed in such an out fit such that his / her body parts are exposed. Funny thing is the fact that all the women in burkha are seldom raped whereas all the mod toc girls who we commonly refer 2 as lookin HOT in their tight fitted obscene outfits when raped or molested are the 1’s carrying human rights placards. Iam not by any means trying 2 degrade the male couterparts as foxes or hounds but a fact remains a fact and there exists certain elements in our society who continue to hound the females.
Zinah-Adultery (or sexual intercourse with a non mehram): Is the worst form of adultery. In any case the above mentioned adultery of sight may lead to adultery-zinah or fornication with a non mehram (other than ur wife / husband).
Nonetheless I do c a good man in u my friend. Wateva ur quest in this life mayb. May God fullfill ur purpose and ours and show all of us to the rite path.
Amen
Ozzy
666
Whatever is being uttered by peoples mouths worldwide will surely come to pass with the inevitable truth, to create strife and discord amongst the brotherhood of man will only lead to a world war, which as we are all witnessing is taking shape in a very perfect manner, it is us the people of the world who have brought upon this wrath upon ourselves, for there exists none who truly upholds to the law of the the divine instructions which were handed down unto mankind as a guidance, noone has taken heed and thus tryants and despots have been allowed to herd the sheep in any manner that they desire. You will never find any changes in the way of the divine law, and we as nations aforetime have failed and the price for that failure is complete wrath and mayhem for all religions in the world.
thanks ozzy and 666 ..
By the way I have noted people sighting Prophet(saw) and Prophet(PBUH). So I am a bit confused. Do you know a website where a authentic translation of Kuranae-Pak is available in English. I don’t know either Arabic or Farsee nor Urdu(script…I can speak reasonable Urdu though and I write poetry in urdu myself).
What I wonder is that if such a wonderfull scripture is available to Muslims(specifically) and Humanity(in general)than why haven’t folks benefitted from it. But all this discussion has raised my esteem for zionist in my opinion because if such a small number of jews have outsmarted so many muslims , americans , europeans ,
Indians and whom not then who knows they understand the reality better than all of the us.
But nevertheless help me in locating a website that provides a authentic understanding of Kuran.
We are encouraged to learn from various religions so ozzy u can be of a great help ,it looks to me .
regards
alok
My dear friend Alok
Let me 1nce again remind u dat wateva guidance I am able 2 provide u regarding religion. I will definately provide u but it is certainly not within my capability to convince u or anybody else rather it is the will of Allah that makes things happen. U may say that maybe ur connecting to the universe using karma. Or maybe the universe connects to u. Nonetheless i dont disagree to that fact. Wateva good u send out inevitably comes baq 2 u and wateva bad u send out will certainly return baq 2 u. That is the basic essence of karma. Rite?
Ur rite when u say that jews being a minority have accomplished so much as a nation rather than us muslims or any other religion. Thats a fact. As a matter of fact it was pre written in Islam that this would happen sumday when muslims will fall as a nation and den they will rise again when constantinople will be conquered. Nonetheless my friend it would certainly be a dilemna if I point out the fact that muslims have fallen as a nation since they have forgotton their core roots that is the Holy Book. It would certainly appease u 2 hear a muslim taking up the blame on behalf of his entire nation which has dispersed as sheep or rather as the foam on the sea. By not heeding 2 wat they were foretold.
The quandary of the situation is such that i cannot give u an example of 1 good muslim leader currently rather i have 2 quote examples of gr8 leaders from the past, however things can certainly change with a little bit of introspection within us muslims.
The point I am trying 2 make here is dat ppl (muslims) have changed. Religion (Islam) hasnt. Muslims the world over have started cherry picking things out of Islam which may benefit their own personal standards, and have started discarding things which are not suited for their personal needs. In doing so we have sent out negative imbalances in our society, which has created negative externality all around us. For 1 man’s meat is another mans poison. This u can very well understand my friend since wateva action we take in this life has consequences or repurcursions. That is the basic rule of karma.
If ur a student of science i would explain karma according 2 our religion. All that exists in this universe is mass and energy. Mass can be converted to energy as depicted by the equation e=mc2. In the start the universe was evolved out of a large combustion of radiation / energy (Big Bang). That means all that exists is this unverse is basically energy since mass can be converted to energy. That also means that energy was something there from the start and it will remain there till the end and it is something that can never be destroyed. Wat is the defination of God? Please refer to the above statement. “God is something which is there from the start and it will remain there till the end and it is something that can never be destroyed”. As per our religion God is ” Pure Noor” (Or Spiritual Light). What is light? Light is energy. That means that it is rite to say Gods Noor created everything in this universe. He is certainly our Benefactor our Creator our Khaliq our Malik. And he has power over evrything (Subhan Allah).
Now there are two forms of Light / Energy (the divine and and the unclean one). When u connect to the source of the unclean light sure u may achive ur short term goals very effectively. However in doing so u create negative repurcursions around u and in the long run u end up hurting urself (not 2 mention u r also judged according to ur wrong deeds in the afterlife). A person who however lives according to the commandmants of Allah (SWT) is sure to achieve his long term goals and also reaps the rewards of the hereafter.
Muslims will definately find the source of this pure light by referring back to our Holy Book. At the moment it would be only wise 2 admit that muslims are a lost nation, since we have forsaken our religion.
1 more thing Alok
Suppose u have to appear in an examination of the following subjects:
Mathematics
Additional Mathematics
English
Science
Computers
And if u work extremely hard on a couple of subjects like:
Mathematics
Additional Mathematics
& English
and u dont prepare for
Science
Computers
There is a high probability that u might ace ur Mathematics,
Additional Mathematics & English examination not to overlook the high possibility that u might also fail in the subjects of Science and Computers for which u didnt prepare at all. A moderate approach would be 2 prepare for all subjects likewise so that the probability of failing in any 1 is reduced 2 zero. Same is the case with the worldly affairs and the divine affairs. U may prepare for the world with gr8 enthusiasm however in doing so u shld never forget the Divine. Otherwise there is a high probability that u might fail in front of him. This world is a temporary place and we shld prepare for it likewise. Hazrat Ali (RA) once said. ” Yeh duniya main is tarhan raho jis tarhan kashti paani main rehti hai. Kyunkay jab tak kashti paani main rehti hai khoob tairti hai. Lekin jab paani kashti main aajata hai tou kashti doob jaati hai”. This is exactly wat has happened 2 gr8 nations before us. And this is exactly wat is gonna happen 2 the jews as well.
thanks and smoke rings…
mmmm…Ozzy that is good that you know quite a bit about Karma theory. It is a significant abstract. And I can see that you have already scratched the surface which is nice.
Thanks for the urls . I find them quite fascinating.
See you haven’t dictated , u have persuaded me to learn about Islam. And I am sure that a fellow like you would never take things on face value too. The world belongs to skeptics. A skeptic can never turn to beliefs blindly.
He can only confirm. Only understand. Here is something fascinating that I would like to share with you and of course with every one .
a)In his / her life everyone may come to understand and Know God.
b)To know God(i.e. Ultimate Truth) is to be God.
I will sight you one example. I am told that Pakistan have 150 Muslims. And India has 130 million muslims some say ,
my approximation is 180 million. And the aspirations of these 180 million muslim people are possible because of a single soul. His name Mahatma Gandhi. We had/have sufficient fools to do ethnic cleansing of ,muslims in 1947 and even later, like has happened in land of pures . And the sheet solo Anchor was M K Gandhi.
Gandhi had to pay by his life , a case of crucifixation. Now for 1 minute get into shoes of Gandhi.
And learn Humanity. When refugees would come to New Delhi from Pakistan , it was common incident someone venting their
frustrations on Gandhi. It was Jinaha and Muslim league and many more who wanted Pakistan and wrath of it was faced by Gandhi.
And when this Great Strategist Shri Shri Zaid Zaman Hamid shab were apparently doing the analysis of our symbols/currency did he ever pause , for 5 seconds to say that with three lions on currency of India , we also have photograph of a fakir called Mohandas(means slave of Krishna). That India has always taught Peace to Humanity this endless – timeless river in comparison to whom Islam , Christanity and Judaism are almost in a cradle, infancy. So who are muslims to to teach us tahzeeb when it is most wanting in themselves. He missed the point that Ashok and Gandhi stood for peace. Ashok learned by his
follies and Gandhi learned by others follies(which is natural as Gandhi was a sage and Ashok a ruler).
And isn’t it Ironic that a country/culture which according to him is only bothered about money , has on its currency photograph of a fakir. That is the show-off part of Hindu Zionist. A facade, right? When you speak of history , history is replete( and specially Islamic History ) of sons killing/jailing fathers and brothers.This has carried till date. So Mr Zaid don’t look for answers in Mosad/cia for killers of Zia , look in the labyrinths if ISI , whom you worship. And you can only worship power which is quite apparent. It is only in the Indus Civilization that learning is esteemed higher than power/money. Here you see the kings and princess leaving the material and pleasures for meditation and truth. You call them magicians? And we know here ,who is a trickster, no Mr Zaid Zaman?.
Zaid , Look at your face in mirror and ask can you meet your own eyes beofre you meet the eyes of a seer? One
who can see through you.
Every one is wrong except Mr Zaid Zaman. Hamid Mir is a CIA Agent, Akbar Bugti was a Traitor / Fascicst and weak so weak that he committed suicide ( The World knows his cave was hit by missiles, and Kaedae Azam was western , only angels left : Parvez Mushraf , Alama Iqbal and some mythological characters and of course Zaid himself. It looks to me that Zaid has all the answers ,he is omnipotent , omnipresent. Why does
Pakistan need a Judiciary , Mr Zaid Zaman can pass judgement on any issue under blue sky before one can cook
two minute noodles. Even Sharia Law would be a bullock cart as compared to the super jet processors which allaha talla has granted him. Beleive me his super natural talents shouldn’t go waste.
phew…
Jumla Ghalib kaa hae and context mera apna banaya hua.
Aah koe chahiyae , ek umra asar honae tak ,
Koan jeeta hae teree zulf kae zar honae tak.
It would take a life time before my feelings make effect ,
who would be alive , till your locks become silver .
Zulf zar ho rahee haen …but wisdom is wanting..something very personal is itching? yeah….
I have seen wisdom coming to street dogs , chimpanzees , donkeys rather easily but for
Man it is rather tricky , especially when man is ambitious, thirsty of desires.
My Grandma would tell “Alok beta the old Man of Muslims are much wiser than Hindus ”
“Why dadee ? Why so ? ” .
“Because they live their life thoroughly , and we hindus live in denial(Hypocrisy).
So when hindus turn old they have regrets, but muslims dont have that ‘missed the train feelings’ “, she would
suggest. Ohh I see I would say …pretending I absorbed all mysteries that confronted me.
take another one :
GHalib chutee sharaab, par ab bhee kabhee-kabhee
peeta hooN roz-e-abr -o- shab-e-maahtaab meiN
Ghalib has left drinking but for once in a while,
on a cloudy day ….. a full moon light.
In the Monarchies the Clergy / mullas were more often than not, not able to dictate moral conducts ,
but azadee kae baad the kings are gone and clerics are running wild. And these preachers come in all size
shapes , shades and garbs. I pity Mulla Radio , he is obviously identified and would die like that Ghazi of Lal Masjid.
But difficult to nail would be the many cunning foxes.
In his analysis Mr Zaid cites a case that Muslims are
very straight forward simple people and Hidus have two faces. Isn’t it a generalization. People are good or bad by themselves. Not because they are turks , serbs , uzbeks ,
greeks , Indos , Delhee walae and jee Karancheewalae.
Atleast exceptions would be there. All 160 million can not be simple straightforward type. The foxes in pakistan would be very deadly/dangerous , as masses are simple. And that explains a great deal why situations are , the way they are.
Hum Kyaa thae ,Kya how gayae aur kyaa hongae abhee ,
Aao is par tawajjoe daen milkar sabhee.
regards
alok
Who were happy by killing of Bugti ?
1) Parvez Mushraf
2) Altaf Hussain
3) Zaid Hamid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NawuMV4JdQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djs8DAMsyO8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Cac7YQ5gc&feature=related
Ozyy( or anyone ) can you tell me about the leader who is speaking ?
He is so genuine and I wonder why such angels are not prominent leaders ? Or is he already killed ? ( Which is Tradition in Pakistan it looks to me )
regards
alok
1)
Abida Parveen – BullaeShah & Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8BgubvXWM&feature=related
2)
Azhar Masood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTI086Vj75E
(Doubles Final)
I recommend Noble Peace Prize for Abida Parveen & Bullae Shah and Gold medal in Hatred to Azhar Masood & Zaid Hamid
Now you decide whom almighty likes.
btw : all four are most wanted in India for different reason ofcourse :-).
@ Mr Alok
Apparently it seems Mr. Zaid Speaks of hatred and he is a war monger. But it is not like that, Pakistan will never initiate in war but India. As it has been proved from the past. India always initiated.
See Islam is a complete way of life, A person who follows Islam is supposed to follow Islam with its complete theme.
Mr. Alok, The peoples like Zaid Hamid and Azhar Masood (I never heard of him). They are exploiting the emotions of muslims and apparently Speaking of hatred because we can all observe the conspiracy specially against muslims and islamic values. If you can’t observe so I feel sorry for you because you are blind.
American Conspiracy, Jewish Conspiracy, India is also playing a vital conspiracy against Pakistan under the support of Jews.
Now you speak of love, the message of Love from Bullah Shah. But for your Love we can’t sacrifice our country and break it into small pieces. If Bullah SHah were here he by himself would have been struggling to waken up the sleeping nation and pointing out the conspiracies.
What do u want? shall we sit quiet and keep watching the conspiracies against us. shall we?
If you are being entrapped will you sit quiet?
The northern side, Separatist movements in balochistan and NWFP. Are we supposed to sit quiet? Shall we let our country break? and say we are in love with the people who conspire against us.
I don’t know where your senses are. We found clear proofs of Indian infiltration in NWFP and balochistan.
What should we do sit quiet?
We have to work for betterment of our nation and country. We have to sort out the problems and that’s what we are doing.
ali ,
as far as I understand that all that India is busy is, in doing development work for helping the war torn folks of afganistan which is offcourse not digestible to Pakistan/(ISI). ISI wants a weak and poor afganistan. No one has blown embassy of Pakistan in afganistan or in India.
No u should not see muslim brother being killed silently.
Then why are u allowing USA to do all that they are doing?
Fact of the matter is that people of Punjab are at war with pakhtoons and baluchs to whom fruits of freedom haven’t reached. And we India is no party to it.
It was Pakistan who supported Al Qaeda and the burnt of it has been faced by Pakhtoons. It is Army of Pakistan that is killing innocent and offtrack Pakhtoons and rest of the nonsense is done by NATO. It is Pakistan policy to bleed India by thousand cuts(Proxy war). This monster of terrorism was created by Pakistan in name of Kashmir and has gone out of control. On the control Kashmir is far more peacefull today as compared to Baluchistan and waziristan.
Kashmir has state assembly where as your western provinces are run by agents and sardars…who are systemetically killed by missiles of Paki Army. And what has happened in SWAT is known to u me and everyone. What can RAW do ? If only it could save arses of Indian I would be thankfull to them.
And rahee baat dividing Pakistan koe break karnae kee conspiracy kee then u better put a microscope on US Pak relations. They show u carrot by one hand and whip u violently by other and masses of Pakistan are fed on opium of religion and denial. Hope u understand what I am trying to convey earnestly. India can only attack Pakistan due to misdeeds of ISI which is a secret country within a country.
ISI/CIA controls the puppets(Govt) if u guys have it other way India by no way would go for a war. We badly need peace.
It is ISI and America that needs war.
ALL PROGRAM IS VERY GOOD PLEASS
I REQUARD PERSONAL PH NOMBER
MR ZAID HAMID HAMID
IFTIKHAR FROM KUWAIT
I have been reading and watching english documentaries about these topics for some time. Then I saw this interview on TV recently. Great to have this important information translated into urdu for the rest of us.
Here are some documentaries about these topics:
‘Zeitgeist’ the movie:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=__YFnUfYXZk
“Zeitgeist, produced by Peter Joseph, was created as a nonprofit filmiac expression to
inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that
very often things are not what the population at large think they are. This part looks at the biggest fraudsters – the Money Makers. Anyone who prints money is a crook.”
More documentaries:
http://bandung2.co.uk/video/money.htm
Articles:
http://bandung2.co.uk/articles/economics.htm
Books:
(i have yet to read these)
http://bandung2.co.uk/books/economics.htm