Terrorism in Islamabad – Pakistanis Stand up and Say NO

Beware of Tablig Jamat, they are innovator in Islam. Visit the following youtube channel for more info.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTableeghisareliar

Tableeghi Jamaat started with good intentions but unfortunately now it has turned out to be the soft side of terrorist organizations including LT, Sipah-e-Sahaba and even the Tahrik Taliban.

Their efforts are now solely to propagate a certyain version of intolerant Islam. i think we should highlight this and request the senior ulemas of Tableegh Jamaat fear Allah and get out of the romance of Saudi money and power of our inteligence agencies.

May God save us from new fitnahs!

Blast , blast and blasts the holy crooks are happy now. These crooks do not have religion so they are against any religions in this world. The fact is we ourselves are competing to identify as sufi sunny or shia. Religion should not tame our future as country, rather it should be We who tames religion.Let us try understand how many of each other have been attacked and have differences because of our sects. Its very high-time we get together as one and as a one large nation resposible for it future and fame.

I hope we all need to agree that we have issues and being a literate pakistani we all need to put effort in stopping such activities in future. The politicians are the ones to be blamed who are and is responsible for putting humiliating shame on Pakistan. Let us force them to govern them properly.

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Every one, its the last 10 days of Ramadan and we can get "Laylatul Qadar", a night better than thousands of nights.

So lets pray to Allah and ask Allah to guide us to the right path. Allah knows the right path and we beg Allah to put us on the right path. Not the path of our arrogance but the path of Muhammad (S.A.W.W) and his Sahaba (R.A.A)., AMEEEEN.

May Allah save us from the Shirk we know and the shir we do not know. Ameeen.

May Allah help us to be sincere, true, honest and hardworking Muslims, AMEEEN.

May Allah help all the Muslims who are in hardship be it in Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Palestine, Philipines, Chechnya and all over the world. AMEEEEN.

Who the F^&K is Hamid Mir? You know Paagal Insaan, hell will freeze over before any body will substantiate with irrefutable evidence if that's what you are looking for, that Pakistan has been playing America's game, that AZ-BB-PM-NS the whole godamn lot of them at one time or the other have been in the US lap. However, you can read between the lines when the PPPZ and before that ML-Q members clearly state that they can not take up certain issues forcefully with the US because of our economic situation. Regardless, Paagal Insaan, I don't think it is any use to discuss these matters any further with you, I suggest that within your sphere of influence and where you can play a role do try to change things, because when you say WE I assume you include yourself, do try change and educate people. Do tell them that we should ask AZ to change his ways and may be return the MONEY, that we should nicely ask the next army general not take decision like ZIA and PM that will cause us so much trouble in the future, oh yes, and don't forget to ask all the Maleks, the Khans, the waderas, the Chaudhrys that may they should leave room for other people in the politics. Of course...Altaf Bhai, we should also politely ask him to either remove himself from Pakistani politics or return to his beloved city to take charge of his party, do try that Paagal Inssan, please!

KarimG,
You do not substantiate your rhetoric. It's a conspiracy theory per se and you cite no framework of how it was implemented.
- For example, can you say precisely who in the US administration asked Pakistan to appoint Gen Javed Nasir as an ISI chief? Can you cite a report or a statement, however controversial, suggesting it did?
Get your head out of Hamid Mir's behind and see there's more to the world than you see on Geo TV.

You cannot blame everything that goes wrong on America.
Pakistan is responsible for the policies it made - and more so if it let other countries fool it.

salam to all, yes we r not terrorist n we condem such attack,,but thing is tht we as a nation still dont wana change ourselves,i mean we must ge close to our religion,,we must slap a man who go for corruption ,,whn a woman n man can through a chapal to former cm of sindh commonly known as kala kawa,,for his bad language to persons,for which he gets chapal,,thn why cant a common man fight to public representers,officers who cause corruption,, 2nd why media dont concentrate to those who corrupted the system from last govt or todays,, and why govt dont concentrate on the lawnorders situation,,they talk about BARI BARI baatain but why thy dont check their officers,,example why health minister dont visit the hospitals,asking doctors ,patirnts,staff for the problems n why dont he punishes,,well i think its time to reunite n role have to b played by public n govt n expertss,,why govt dont call experts to thr MASHWARA n thy have to b practically,, LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

Paagal Insaan, you don't get it, BULLSHIT, they can go ahead and believe that they made the policy based on their own interests, sure they might have been led to believe that, but it wouldn't have happened without our dear friends' approval regardless. Doctrine...they can't figure out their ass from their head.
All the bravado of people like Hameed Gul and others just goes to point out that US was successful in making 'a war' Pakistan's war, 'a project' Pakistan's project, 'a policy' Pakistan's policy.
Get it through your head, US WAS NOT AGAINST TALIBAN GOVERNMENT; in fact right up to August 2001 there was serious negotiations going on with them. OBL was and is a straw man, this is a grand plan and the tribal belt is playing a designated role in it, the lives lost are just a detail.
There appears to be some complications in THE PLAN, Russian resurgence and Iran being the external ones and severe economic conditions in the US is the internal, but who knows...all major wars have been started and fought following a major economic collapse!
Most of Pakistan's political class, industrialists, military brass is owned and operated by US. Retired high officials, bureaucrates and generals do grow some gonads, but only after retirement. WE ARE IN A FIX.
The only short term hope that I have is that cooler heads in Washington will prevail and severe economic conditions will force US to abandon the empire building plans.

P.S. And if you don't have any thing intelligent to add please don't go around yelling...yeah yeah its US's fault!

KarimG,
How do I respond to Javed Hashmi style rhetoric?

Sir, I substantiated my opinion by giving three examples of major foreign policy mistakes that Pakistan made and must take responsibility for.
You responded with a sweeping and very general statement and did not substantiate.

I repeat myself:

a) The Doctrine of Strategic Depth was not devised by America. Pakistan had been funding armed groups in Afghanistan since long before the USSR and the USA became involved, and continued to do so for long after they moved out.

b) ISI funded and supplied weapons for rebellions worldwide, even by its former chief General Javed Nasir's proud admission. Gen Javed Nasir was not appointed by America. In fact America and the Organisation of Islamic Conference (Muslim member states of which had also been our victim) pressured former prime minister Balakh Sher Mazari to sack him.

c) The decision to form, fund and arm the Taliban to form a pro-Pakistan Pashtun government in Afghanistan was indigenous. In doing so we alienated all other communities in Afghanistan and sowed the seeds of Indian influence in the country, especially after Ahmad Shah Massoud's Northern Alliance justifiably sought Indian help.

These are mistakes that we made and cannot blame on America. It is not possible to begin with what you call a clean slate until we identify the errors we had made, take responsibility, and rectify them.

Silence

You calling Tableeghi Jamat as jihadi organisation just shows the level of ignorance. Tableeghi Jamat is simply like a school to make you a better muslim in everyday life,now if you go to your elitist english medium school and end up becoming a complete dimwit while the rest of your class mates become doctors engineers and other successful professional then would you or others blame your school for your incompetence and imbecility ?

Furthermore Tableeghi Jamat had extreme differences with Taliban and were not allowed to work inside Afghanistan under Taliban rule. Besides i haven't called you a Christian,i have simply stated that you seem to be mixing up Tableeghi Jamat with some other organization.

Osama darling, revaling a black sheep in disguise of others belief is not Jehalat. If asking someone whether he believes in Jihad is jahalat then I think such jehalat will always be exhibited.

Now go back to Tora Bora, Big daddy is looking for you.

see how is he crying like a kid when failed to answer very basic question.

People like you are a curse for every Muslim.

tsk tsk very childish attitude. that's how you were taught by non-Madrassah guys? ;)

Paagal Insaan, save nuclear issue, we are totally subservient to the US and other western powers mainly because of economic chaos and corruption that the leaders have inflicted on this country. Every thing comes from D.C., the foreign policy, the economic policy the whole shit, even the nomination of certain safirs and wazirs. This entanglement will not be easy to break, a lot of political careers and wealth are mortgaged to it. Get it...we are powerless, short of a revolution, a complete clean up of the slate, we are in a bind. It was already bad enough when Zia embarked in his Jihad, now, it will take nationalism and dedication like no other to get out. Sure go ahead and keep saying "hemain yeh karna chahyeh - hemain voh karna chahye" and we will be in a deeper shit 10 years from now. The solution lies in finishing this unholy alliance with US, addressing political issues with political means, yes it will be difficult, very very difficult, but I do not believe there is any other choice, fighting wont solve it, this I am 100% sure of.

@clarification

People like you are a curse for every Muslim.

You will cross the line, without using your brain in calling any one 'non Muslim' or a Christian. You will ignore what Prophet said 'When a Muslim calls other a non Muslim, one of then become a non believer'>

You can issue FATWA against anyone, Quid i Azam, Alama Iqbal, who is not a victim of you people? This is exectly my point, intolrent, narrow minded and intellectually dishonest...these are JIHADI's, their preachers and their followers.

Now, do you wish to kill me?

Clarification
I don't know how or why tablighi jamat is being associated with violence but let me clarify, tablighi jamat is a purely non violent apolitical revivalist movement. It does not incite violence or encourages any one to commit any bodily harm against anyone,every one who 'joins' it does it voluntarily and nobody is forced to join.One volunteers their own time,money(they don't ask for chanda or donations,your money is spent by you on your own self) and effort to make one self a better and practicing muslim.

Now its quite obvious Silence is lying or have a limited knowledge about Tableeghi jamat when he says that he was asked to attend a tableeghi trip of 3 months, a typical Tableeghi trip is normally 4 months and not 3 months as mentioned by him.Maybe he is talking about the Chritian Tableeghi Jamat(yes they do have a Tableeghi Jamat as well,all those Christian missionaries and nuns)

http://ejang.jang.com.pk/9-23-2008/pic.asp?picname=08_01.gif

today Jang has good pic of these retards who want to make us more Muslim!

Let us see, who is shouting at his top voice with his tail between legs for being 'thekedar' of religion?

1. 75% of our population lives in villages, they are mostly 'farm workers', they work with their women and childern, they dont afford to wear shuttle cock 'burqa' and have hardly enoght time to even go to mosques.

2. The lower working classes in towns tries to find bread all of the time without enough time to go and find who is more Muslim or to kill who is less Muslim.

3. The majority elite classes, do drink, dance and enjoy everything in life, similar to Europe, that includes, judges, lawyers, high officials and politicians.... you visit any of them and first thing he will ask you is about having a ;drink'.

Now who is 'thekedar' of religion:

1. Mad Mullah whose only source of income is selling hatred.

2.Corrupt middle class who has pulled itself from working class, clercks, vendore, middle man who hords and mixes chemicals in food, rishwat khoors and corrupt lower rank officials......

They do every thing to get rich, distance from a common man and end up in mosques because of their guilt. They judge who is less Muslim then them and they decide who to kill for being less Muslim.

Obviously a common man is less Muslim then them, they can not kill powerful, so the easy target is weaker.

Mullah and a certain group as mentioned above, gets fund from Sauidi Arabia, CIA and agencies...they recruit innocent guys to become 'executors' in name of Islam, their own sons study overseas.

Islam or any other religion is personal matter of person.....purely between Allah and his creation. No one has a right to kill others for being less Muslim then them or not doing what others wish them to do.

This is not Islam, this is not teachings of HQ and this is not what attracted people towards Islam, this is purely a business of 'killing' for $$$ and on foreign orders.

These cowards can not name who is preaching killings, who is benifiting, who is running this trade.....these people are from our society who are running this business, they are around us but some of cowards amongst us do not have courage to name them or they themselves belong to that cult.

Islam spread with love, with equality and with peace.

Today as above 90% of our population (working class+elite class) have no such problem, only a minority of these corrupt and dishonest clerks and Mullahs is keeping nation hostage and telling others to be 'kafirs' and fitna to protect their trade.

TTP is Pakistani Taliban, they are from our society, we have to identify who are these cowards using these innocent people, who is brainwashing them in name of Islam and who teaches them to kill others in name of Islam. It is not Americans, Hindu's or Israeli's who carry suicide attacks, its all Pakistani's. Even before this they were blowing bombs in mosques and Imam Bargah's, they were shooting in mosques on people while prayers.

One small cult can not represent the Islam or represent Pakistani's who are tolerant by nature.

Jusathot,

> Those who want to dominate us use such “divide-and-rule” strategies

a) The holy prophet, on whom be peace, has said: "Difference of opinion in my community is a blessing".
There are four schools of orthodox Sunni jurisprudence. Was that also a Western conspiracy to divide and rule us?

b) There is a liberal-conservative divide in the West too, in fact they take pride in their plurality. Why haven't you be able to rule them? :)

KarimG,
Sir, when the USSR forces moved into Afghanistan and Senator Charlie Wilson began lobbying for Jihad, I wasn't even born. So please don't blame me.
I do not see history in terms of good or evil. I also do not have a problem with your account of history. All I have been saying is that the US and Pakistan weaponised this region during a brief period of goal alignment, and are therefore equally responsible.
All I am saying is that you cannot conveniently 'fast forward' to 2008, without holding Pakistan responsible for the Doctrine of Strategic Depth, arming the Taliban, and inciting rebellions worldwide, including against friendly countries.
How does blaming America solve this problem? We have to take responsibility, revisit our policy and decide if we want to surrender to Taliban or fight them.

And I'm sorry if some of the things I say offend you. I mean them lightly.

This “fitna” inadvertently or otherwise was started by Silence. Allow me to explain this from an excerpt from Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi’s lecture:
“This is exactly what happened during the lifetime of the Prophet (s.a.w). A Jew named Shas ibn Qais saw that the two previously clashing tribes, the Aws and the Khazraj, united under the Islamic creed and shared the brotherhood of Islam and forgot their long-standing pre-Islamic wars. When they embraced Islam, Allah gave them peace instead of war, security instead of fear, and fellowship and love instead of animosity.

This brotherly scene annoyed the evil Shas, so he took it upon himself to remind them of the pre-Islamic period and the conflicts that it had witnessed. He started reciting the barbarian poetry written by one tribe's poet, so the other tribe responded by reciting what its poet said until the pre-Islamic fanaticism awakened. The men of the Aws shouted, "O people of Aws!" and those of the Khazraj shouted, "O people of Khazraj!" All the men shouted, "The weapons, the weapons!" When the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) heard about this, he hurried to them and said, "Are they shouting this call of the period of ignorance, while I am still with you? Stop this (appeal for tribalism), for it is an evil call." Then he reminded them of Allah and recited some verses of the Qur'an. They wept, regretted their deed, and repented. Then, knowing that they had been tempted by Satan, the men of the two tribes embraced one another.

But Shas ibn Qais, who tried to sow dissension among the Aws and the Khazraj, still exists in other guises. He has the same aim; he and his helpers, his children, and his siblings will continue the task of plotting against our Ummah, stirring up strife, and spreading mutual fear and hatred among Muslims. They use every means and go through every crack to tear this Ummah apart. Sometimes they take advantage of religious differences to disunite Muslims.

If they do not find anything to divide Muslims about, they use other ideological categorizations such as calling some "nationalists" and others "Islamists," or "rightists" and "leftists," or "revolutionaries" and "liberals," and so on and so forth.”
(And one may add other such labels).

Let us not sow the seeds to create fitna and thereby disunity and discord. Those who want to dominate us use such “divide-and-rule” strategies.

Adnan, by ridiculing others u r only showing ur jahalat. obviously u r under tablighi influence, no need to say it.

always ppl like u gloss over the realities as if they are trivial in face of the grand global zionist RAW conspiracy.

you guys are completely absurd. there is a vulgar display of machoism on display here, as if by showing that all liberals are idiots we have made our points.

by communicating in a western language, we are all by your definitions western influenced, even those who denounce it.

if it is ok to speak in english, then it is also ok to hold thoughts or ideas that are also held by people in the west.

as far as the taliban go, while they may not have detracted from providing justice, the all-male cast of this message board which supports their actions conveniently forgets that they are not allowing polio drops to be administered, they are blowing up schools, they are declaring millions of people who are not from their sect as infidels.

that makes them a source of fear and contempt.

but my holding this view doesn't mean i am planning to lick american boots or whatever. i don't think our choice is USA vs Taliban. i believe that both are terrifying extremes that still can offer us some truths, but we have our own identity and set of beliefs and culture.

we don't need people to impose their views on us, whether they are western or taliban-style Islamists. but then again, i saw someone refer to a sufi cult here, so i concede that this post has little in terms of effecting any change, its just a way for me to vent.

Amir,

Silence will remain silence just he got spoofed when I asked him about Jihad. Offcourse his belief doesn't allow him to go for JIhad and this black sheep trying to act like a Deobandi here.

People like should be left alone, they do entertain a lot.

In 80s when American slave of that day, Zia committed Pakistan to the US agenda in Afghanistan, invested in the Jihad and infected Pakistani society with culture of weapon and religious militancy, the US happily invested and promoted the Jihadi culture and all the low lives ignorant of those days became honorable freedom fighters. People like me protested that America will dump this problem on us and leave once the Soviet Union is defeated, that we will never be able to put this Genie back in the bottle, did any body listen...NO. The American apologists of those days (Pagal NOInsaan types) talked to us about how US is a democratic country, a power of good, a natural ally and whole lot of other BS. Fast forward, 2008, the son of Mujahedin, Taliban has matured and has even more vicious fangs, people in its periphery and some on top are knowingly or unknowingly manipulated and controlled by outside powers. More you hit worse it gets, more innocent you kill more popular they get, what a wonderful plan, it has worked perfectly, don't you think so?
It is like a fix, we can't let them win so we must go in and bomb, since bombs are very unintelligent weapons (including the smart ones) they kill whole a bunch and with each kill the problem is bigger!

he showed those pictures on Hamid Mir's tv show capital talk and asked if this 6 year old was a terrorist? he said i am a patriotic pakistan but now whenever i'll see my child i will ponder what crime had i committed against the state to deserve this type of punishment..

http://www.pakpoint.com/2008/09/15/war-on-terror-but-a-war-of-terror/

Those are the pictures of son of a Doctor from Bajur , he was driving in his car along with other cars on the road when army helicopter started hovering over his car,according to pre announced standard operating procedure by army for the residents he immediately stop and disembarked from his car with his hands in the air,helecopter hovered for several minutes and then flew away.When they sat in their cars helicopter came again from behind and bombed them,several people died and both the legs of his 6 year old son had to be amputated .

Silence,

what about Hizb-ullah? Sipah-e-mohammad? TNFJ? ISO? or you consider them saints since they kill Sunnis?

Adnan Siddiqui,
Re: the Hamid Mir article you cited

Sir, it's not the US attacks that create Taliban, but the use of national curriculum and simulated public opinion on the media to stir people's emotions.
Hamid Mir links singing and dancing to American invasion and suggests terrorism as a reaction. This is a precise example of how Pakistanis are brainwashed.

p.s. Songs and dance have been part of our culture for centuries and do not come from America. It's the Taliban who are ruining our society with culture imported from Saudi Arabia.

LOL! as I expected, govt finally blamed
ALqaeda since it was Alqeda Style. I heard about Mitthan Style, Rajni Kant style but hearing Alqaeda Style is hilarious.

Now govt’s officials will go to home and sleep since they blame someone who could not be captured by Yanks too. Drawing room experts like here would die by keep blaming Alqaeda. hehe

Sorry awab for continuous messages

@Silence: For drawing room experts like you this little kid will also be a Taliban. *grin*

Pakistanis are tired of so called enlightened and moderated class.

Silence, DO you oppose JIhad? Answer this, come on!

Silence the only school of thought which has been preaching haterd today is school of Liberalism and Secularism which has divider society in two factions. Musharraf was not a Deobandi or Salafi yet he offended women so badly that even Taliban "Extremists" would not have thought about it.

Don't throw up your hatred by naming it as a discussion. It's not necessary everyone buy your theory easily just because you curse Mullahs/Talibans/Deobandis etc. I have seen many like yours in past 7 years who never miss chance to express their haterd about something by declaring it something else.

You dont even have courage to come up with your original name. Why such fear?

Silence as I said you are fed by Westerners who believed that every evil on earth is by Talibans then there are fools like you who easily became devil's advocate easily.

that there are no Taliban

Unlike you I don't consider Talibans root of all devils. They are not saint but then they are worst than your western Friends. I could lead to ignorance if I had not read here. She was captivated by Talibans what so called Scholars could not do, Talibans did, she reverted to Islam. Something your Tableeghi Abba could not do either.

Talibans despite of many issues with them due to illetracy in various fields were successful to bring peace in Afghanistan. It is in UN's report that Opimium crop went down to 0% in their era. They might have mistreated women but so our Secularist Musharraf did more bad than that by selling out Afia Siddiqi for sake of few dollars? When I see you guys get hibernated when its done by your liberals cult then I just despise the hypocrisy you guys preach every where.

as I said, don't become another Western mouth piece. We have enough. As I said that its bad luck of Pakistan that we have more Parhey likhey Jahil then genuine Jahil.

Better say all this to western friends, you might get some reward and please brush up your knowledge too.

Malik Aman, so if I understand well...you now UNDERSTAND why all the Palestinians have to be occupied, starved, their houses destroyed, their olive trees uprooted, their women forced to deliver babies at checkpoints, their boys and men humiliated, their young and old imprisoned, their land water and resources stolen, their schools and hospital bombed...
YOU UNDERSTAND ALL THIS NOW!

Tehrik-i-Talban Pakistan lead by Baitullah Mehsud is the main culprit involved in terrorist activities in Pakistan and sponsored by foreign elements. These are the terrorists fighting Pakistan Army.

Now, either you can deny that there are no Taliban, no terrorists and such groups do not exist, or you can say yes they do exist. I have five simple questions and I want to know answer, if you can explain :

1. Who are people running TTP?
Do they realy exist?
2. In case they exist then who they are?
3.Which school of thought they belong?
4. And is that school of thought preaching hatred and intolrence in Pakistan and Muslims?

LOL!

I just found out the SOURCE of Silence's learning: he/she copied the list from here

lol! Kid Now I am not surprised. I will not be surprising if you would not hesitate to quote some Western source against ISLAM as well. Atleast tried to edit it a bit so that I could not google it? ;)

You are another Western media product who was easly brain washed. As it's said religion is the tool to brain wash someone easly, in modern world Media is the religion who could side track any educated man easily too.

Sorry dude, I can't take your rants seriously anymore. Those who you quote are themselves in involved in terrorism for centuries in the name of Crusade

I still have to see a Shia, Sunni or even any non Muslim Pakistani involved in these terrorist acts

because you don't want to see. You see what you like most. It's typical rants that Salafis,Wahabis and Deobandis are involved. I can see why this irk followers of others sect because these sects unlike other sects doesn't preach disco parti and Moj Masti in the name of Milad,visiting Shrines etc.

The real problem as I mentioned here that Pakistanis despite of having degrees continue to follow path of Jihalat.They believe in other things more than their religious books so just like we used to blame India in past we got Talibans now.

But I know unless there are no people like you, I could continue to follow path of ignorance and would not have made attempts to find out truth. Thanks, in presence of people like you I got chance to find out truth about Tableeghis etc. Without babbling of people like you, I was continue to blame them for every thing and used to curse MUllah all the time. A group who was able to bring on track guys like Junaid Jamshed,Saeed Anwar etc who run succesfull business along practise Islam much better than YOU and Me, is quite respecable for me.

Thanks for your input on Awab's blog. YOu might like to convince some other blog readers with your "theory".

Silence, then we have SUnni therik , Shias ISO etc too how come you don't mention them either?

As I said , your lame attempt to associate current unrest with Tableeghis is very funny and far from reality.

Why dont you curse your family that they could not represent you the clear picture rather throwing up your frustration at wrong direction? You are free to oppose anyone you want but bring some substance so that it sounds credible. I know barelvis and Shias who are pretty extremists. The army wings used in Jamia Hafsa etc were mostly Shias who found chanting Ya Ali later. So does this mean I start accusing entire Shia sect?

Sorry dude, you disappoint me. offcourse like Pat Robertson and Ann Coulter you can attract anyone you want with your rants.

And I asked why do you irk Jihad? Being a Muslim I would love to be part of Jihad? Why does Jihad irk you? If Us attacks today at your home, will you lick their toes in return and ask them "Please come back soon?"

Ansar al Islam
Al-Ittihad al-Islami
Ansar al Islam
Ansar al-Sunnah
Groupe Islamique Combattant Marocain (GICM)
Harakat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami
Harakat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami-Bangladesh
Hezb-e-Islami Gulbaddin
Islamic Jihad Union (former Islamic Jihad Group)
Jamaat-ul-Furqan
Jundallah
Khuddam-ul-Islam
Lashkar-i Jhangvi
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
Millat-e-Islami Pakistan
Sipah-e Sahaba Pakistan (Now disbanded)

These are the main jihadi organisations

Who belong to which sect or even one believes in any sect is not any issue.

The thing which we need to sort out is; Is there a particular sect in Islam which is involved in violence and extremism?

Who are terrorists killing people in name of Islam (apart from the fact that who is behind the scene) There is a specific school ofthought involved in almost every act of extremism and terrorist attack.

I still have to see a Shia, Sunni or even any non Muslim Pakistani involved in these terrorist acts.

There is no doubt these people are Pakistani's although behind is some one else, but lets identify who are they?

Secondly for going to Jihad, attandance of a Madrassah of certain sect or preaching with Tableeghi Jamat is must, no doubt Tableeghi jamat is itself non violent but majority of 'Jihadi' and extremist elements come from same cycle.

Further, in Afghan Jihad several groups were used, including JI, JUI, SSP etc, but present lot of Jihadi's or so called terrorists and almost all organisations belong to one particular sect. Why it is difficult to discuss what is motive and who is teaching them to kill and get killed?

for self intellectuals tin soldiers like guYasir and Silence, even battle of Baddar would b an extremist act by group of extremists(the companions(RA)) led by grand "Extremist", the Muhammad(SAW). *shakes head*

Silence despite of your shallow claims that you belong to a "DEOBANDI" family, your story plot has lots of holes.

First you said you faced violence by Jamat Islami in colleges. Now I wonder whether you know that Jamat Islami is anti-Deobandis and most of Jihadis sent in Afghanistan were by Jamat-e-Islami?

second your "revealings" about Tableeghis is quite funny. I am not a deobandi but I have spent time with Tableeghis. Being a non Deobandis so many times I abused their members when they tried to convince me and not a single time I heeard any thing against my sect(The Barelvi). recently I myself went for a 3 day trip. I am a clean shaved guy. Noone said me to grow beard. No one said a single time that Shias re kafir, barelvis are kafir or Christians should be killed etc. Every one was just willing to tell people message of God given to us by Mohammad(SAW). if this is violence then same violence was preached by Muhammad and other Prophets too and I am proud to be a follower of such "Violence"

as Other said, better don't act like a black sheep. Not everyone is dumb like you about other things. if you don't follow deobandis fine. If your views are like that despite of your claim that you belong to a deobandi family then the people who should be cursed here is your own family who could not give you a clear picture of what they believe.!

Come up with some genuine story. Its even less interesting than any lollywood movie and no you didn't say anything "Controversial" it was just like babbling to vent out frustration against a sect which you don't follow.

and By the way Jihad is ordered for all Muslims rathr for Deobandis only. Quran was not sent for Deobandis only. Did your elders tell you that? ;)

p.s: Awab what kind of people became "guest authors" on your blog that they dont even have balls to use their original name? "Silence" might not be a believer of "power" of truth yet willing to preach others "facts" about other sects.

ehhe funny!

Karachi-Wala you figure it right. This wolf-in-sheep-skin is only pertaining to be a Silence of the lamb. The trick they (the likes of YL Hamdani, etc) use to cleverly suggest how “Violent (Read: Sunni) Islam” is and using various labels to suit their purpose. They use emotionalism and self-flagellation to play this drama of truth with falsehood.

Pakistan's September 11th?

"i am looking for peace. i am looking for mercy.
i am looking for evidence of compassion.
any evidence of life.
i am looking for life."

http://beta.vajood.com/?p=437

Many years ago i hated israel and its policy the way it killed inncoent people and many times i had fights over this issue with my foriengner friends that they should not kill innocent people but they always said look aman when such kind of suicde attacks will happen in your country than u will understand whats happening to israel ,and now my friends i am a pro isrealy becuase i can now see there pain and agnoy and why do they carry out the killings.

It seems like a reply back from RAW....

I feel sorry for the families who lost their loved ones.
Inna Lillahi-Wa-Inna Ilaihi Rajion.

Silence,

I don't think you belong to a Deobandi, you probably belong to a SUFI cult. Well what do you suggest here? make Pakistan another Algeria?

KarimG, then why did you waste global bandwidth with that comment?

Paagal Insaan, you are not worth my time, sorry.

LMFAO @ RAQ - Doctor saab, please tell me this was a social experiment and you did not mean it! :)

@Silence - ditto!

@KarimG, haha yes don't forget, everything is America's fault and the whole world is a jewish conspiracy! :o)

Just one more thought to add, please don't forget that the president has secured assurances from the Empire that those 'ADVISORS' would be arriving soon, must hurry now, the DEOBANDIES have really gone crazy. Once the 'ADVISORS' are here, all will be well!
May be we need a wall also, a great big shiny wall with watch towers and check-posts and armed guards... to keep the unwanted away!

Violent Islam, Deobandi, Taliban, Osama, 9/11....
uhmmmm nice little entangled web!
people look beyond the trees...
look beyond the smokescreens...
look beyond the obvious....

Nothing happens for no reason...
As a CIA man said...nothing is what it appears to be!

@silence
The violent Islam in Pakistan is closely linked with Jamat-i-Islami and other Deobandi organizations
Yah its ok somehow but how you gonna say it violent Islam?
Most Talebans came out from Pakistan Deobandi sect of schools during the USSR invasion of afghanistan so weren't they terrorist when they were killing soviets? wasn't Islam violent at that time?
The 9/11 had nothing to do with Talibans and they know nothing about it and they no longer a terrorist as well.
Eric Margolis said that further He wrote in his article that when civil war erupted afghanistan after USSR withdrawal they who called 'emselves Talibans stands to crush banditry, rape and injustice. Is dis sin to crush banditry, rape, injustice no its not but harboring OBL is biggest sin so thats why they've been bombed by 2 sides of border and there's a reaction of every action.