Geert Wilders to be charged for anti-Islamic statements

leave islam.it is a moon god cult:
http://faithfreedom.org

leave islam!it destroys your culture ,it is arabization.

BREAKING NEWS!

yesterday geert wilders was deported from england.according to the spokesman of interior ministry "England is against all forms of extremisms and it will not allow any one to promote the extremist thoughts.

i think this news is a SLAP on the faces of the supporters of "freedom of expression"

BREAKING NEWS!

today geert wilders was deported from england.according to the spokesman of interior ministry "England is against all forms of extremisms and it will not allow any one to promote the extremist thoughts.

i think this news is a SLAP on the faces of the supporters of "freedom of expression"

@Firmin,

can I propose you a third texte, if you don't
mind, after all richness of free(dumbs) of speech
will increase the variety !! I propose

Dr.Jawwadkhan's texte !!!

then you don't have to dirty, Churchill and Chaplin.
(you even have the balls to ask us money to support
this fake blond tard ).
remember the third option !!
cheers

hey firmin!

i tell you what to do...
take your "Freedom of speech", mould it well...
and then take it right up your ass.

Is your freedom worth a stamp???

If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe. We are launching an extensive International Action SITA including two possible texts ; one comparing Wilders and Winston Churchill and another Wilders and Charlie Chaplin:

http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-winston-wilders-against-islamic-fascism-and-its-dhimmis (Winston Eng)

http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-charlie-wilders-against-islamic-fascism (Charlie Eng)

To support Geert Wilders and our dearly acquired freedoms please participate to the 2 suggested actions and transmit this message to your friends owners of a website in order they publish it.

An other way to support Geert Wilders is to give some money. To donate: www.geertwilders.nl

@USpace

free party for freedom

are you a gay Catholic priest ??
your poetry sounds very frustrated crusaderic crap,
(don't mind)

@ Minhaaj,

I doubt very much !!

@ absurd thought
freedom of speech
need not for such
baseless thoughts
relentless fatigue
changing religion
simply change not
your race.

USpace if you are guy, please marry Farah K Raja. You'd make a great couple living OUTSIDE Pakistan. rofl

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FREE Partij voor de Vrijheid! The Koran shouldn't be banned. Mein Kampf isn't a 'Holy Book', but it shouldn't be banned either, but you should be able to criticize it and the idiots who agree with it.

As many sane people know, Geert Wilders is NO racist. He is simply against out-of-control immigration; and against immigrants who won't assimilate; and the ones who beat Gays and rape non-Muslim women for not being covered up. He is also very much against the ones who kill their own daughters and sisters for their 'family honor'.
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don't criticize religions

just use Christian words
substitute for Islam's words

.
here's an absurd thought -
your Supreme God knew
Jesus as a pedophile

and a raping terrorist
converting slaves by the sword
.
Muslims are not a 'race' anyway, they are followers of a religion/ideology and its Sharia Law. Most Muslims aren't even Arabs, which by the way, is also not a 'Race'.

But their duty is, according to their Koran, to spread Sharia law over the whole Earth. It might take 100-200 years, if they succeed.

Is that the kind of world we want for our great-grand childrens' great-grand children? A Taliban Planet? I bet not. Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam. Wilders is NOT against Muslims, he is against Islamic Fundamentalism.

We all should read the Koran, but be careful, for the Koran prohibits non-Muslims from reading it. I wonder why.

This is BIG, this is REAL BIG! SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone! The EU Mandarins have crossed the line! If this goes to court, how much more of the public will become aware of this tyranny?
All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, then there can be no real freedom.

The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized, and held to account when they are not. Muslims included.

Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
.
here's an absurd thought -
your Supreme God says
Christians are a race

who love the Jewish race
and the peaceful Buddhist race

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
Sharia Law for ALL

submit to glorious life
slavery and servitude

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense

exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
decide to change your race

just simply change religions
your religion is your race
.
All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
.

:)
.

@Farrah,
writing a book needs some encouragement and personal initiatives,
thanks for your precious encorouragement, my initiative depends on
priorities, but will not hesitate to contact though circumstances are just
ideal, if you launch a book will that be in English ? I shall try to have temporary
e-mail but am a bit backward on computor thing, I made progress on the
computor only two years ago, had other battles against the foe.

@ Farrah,

yes thats it, we mean business not
just verbal promesses since 60 years,
Ghareeb, Ghareeb, Ghareeb and yet Ghareeb,
as soon as they get votes, they start doing
make-up on themselves and deliver nonsensical
speeches in an absolutely nonextant rare anglo-Indian
language (not Urdu).
I appriciate very much your concern about Demo in
Pakistan, writing a book is not a bad idea, I have to
have the urge and courage to do so, but why not ?
although my family background wass basically of
litrature, Drama, poetry and some Politics! always in
opposition.

Dr Jawwad
Now you are sounding like a Professor of Political science.
Agree with everything apart from one your preference of Zia over Musharraf.
Zia ,Islamist fine ,I have only one critisim on human rights .Musharaff is considered as Westernised I do not think so.If you look back I think he was a moderate person and one of the problems he was facing was not to be assosiated with Talibaan so maybe his press image is not extremly controlled one.
Democracy is definitely good ,it is not the system I am losing hope with,I am loosing faith in leaders which democracy brings me.

we need to give a constitution power through which it can refrain the parliment from making any law which is against the teaching of islam.
low prices of commodities (essential at least) good salary and zero tolerance against the corrutption through check and balance.
we need to free our judiciary by taking back the authority of oppointning the judges from PM or the president rather give it to the supreme judicial council made by 5 retired judges(in order of retirement) with good reputation and credibility.
also the expanditures of high govt offcials,beurocrate,ministers and adviser should be under scrutiny and the details should be released so the people can know.
police man should be local, well educated with not more than 10 hour duty and with good salaries.
check and balance system in which people can participate.
every department of the govt should be connected through internet so that each purchase,contract and work can be moniter by general population.
the whole system should be crystal clear so that people like me can see even minor details through internet.
parliment should also discuss the the military expanditures.
every time the head of the govt should be from different province and ethnic group.
there must be good salary and benefits for teachers.
govt should be responsible for
1) education
2) health
3) providing speedy justice

we got deviated from the topic but whatever we start we will end up in the matters related to pakistan because we are going through worst period of pakistan history.

dear both Farrah and asad!
what i meant that in modern days there is no alternate of democracy.no doubt pakistan as a whole did not love the democracy because whenever we compared the democratically elected govts with military govts we saw the military govt performed better (whatever reason might be)and we saw strong statemen ship of military rulers.
but dear those days were over now in pakistan military we can not see the rulers like zia ul haq or ayyoob khan.
we just have musharraf like enlightend moderates,pro american,allergic to the religion and america fearing generals. i strongly believe that future military ruler will be the worst than pervez musharraf.
we need persistance of democracy but before that we need to change the system.fundamental changes are required if we want to survive.which can not be achieved with out revolution. but theoratically it is possible that(with out revolution) if we manage to have a free judiciary with enormous resources and emplementation power of it's decisions (which most people might think of crossing the line)
we need to give more power to ISLAMI NAZRIYATI COUNCIL

Crrection:write instead of right

Asad
You are exactly right when you say,Islam is most Democratic religion.
Islam is Democracy actually ,in Islam no man has a power ,Supreme power is Allah alone and in serving His people and mankind we do the best justice to Haqouq-ul-Ibad
.I would urge people like you and Dr.Jawwad do not underestimate your thought process you must right it.Even 70 page book on Democracy in Pakistan will do.Why not?We owe this to our nation.

Asad Ali
Extremely heartening to read what you say and actually I personally have reached the same conclusion as yours.You have summed it up excellently.My further analysis is that people of Pakistan do not care if it is Democracy (as per West ) or it is General rulling us.
Ayub,Zia and Musharaff were not able to rule peacefully because of army it was because people are afraid of democracy the one which Bhutto brought to Pakistan .We would not accept Western style of Democracy.People do not want gender equality even ,people want peace,oppertunities and prosperity.

@ its good that Dr.Jawwadkhan brought out this
thorny issue on secularism, and Farrah has reached
to a sort of conclusion with authentic parafrenelia
required in our environment.

It normally does'nt work to force people to have
a " uniform" attitude, I have come to conclusion that
our religion is according to the human nature,
offering mankind the following with
"trial " basis, (experimenting and evolution) !
Democracy,
human rights,for all citizens
freedom of expression ,
social guarantees from the State,
security for all citizens,
development, resources, environment,science, technology,
harmony of relations with other,

The history proved that Islam had complete success
for a thousand years, why are we systematically,
discouraged by, not only others, but by our own creed
and politicians and ideolosgists, so called
intellectuals ? why are they trying to impose a uniform
on Pakistanis ?

@ Secularism, is the most phony the most pretentious
attitude,it has no historical reference, no theory,
no political programme, the west has invented yet
another fraudulant "system" to preserve only their
interest and colonialism ! the crusades can be launched
under the disguise of " secularism" just listen to them,
when they speak in European parlaiment !!
Their Secularism
can be anti-religion (free-masons)
can be anti-communisim/socialism
can be vaticanist (check the sects)
can be fascist and totalitarianists
can be anti-particular religion (India, UK, France)
can be pro-zionist (neocons)
today it is proved anti-muslims & Islamophobe.

there is an enormous opposing nature of secularism
with " Laicity " seperation of state and religion,
NOT AGAINST RELIGION. check French laws of 1901 and
1905.
Secular states of today, all of them are fake and
liars, there is no such state in the world, atleast
non of them declares in their constitutions, even
European proposed constitution, they wanted to insert
Catholic religion as religion of Europe.

So basically you are right it has to develop from within people.We need democracy with Islam.What people do not realise is it is a thing to live and practice.They think these are ideas , they discuss and debate and feel proud they are democratic or liberals.

Pakistanis are not Secular nor Humanitarian neither is India nor is Bangla desh.I have thought on this whole scenario East is too conservative and because we were freed from colonisation only in past century soon after that Iran ,Pakistan faced American invasion,separation of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in terms of Indian agression .Cold war of Russia with US its affects on China,as a result whole of Asia became more enclosed,insecure and dogmatic in terms of religion,social and cultural values.
Unless Kashmir is resolved ,US moves out of region and India stops aggressive attitude towards China and Pakistan ,Nations would remain as they are.
Revolution of Iran saved it but in Pakistan we have romance between Saudia and West ,we would stick to that.
In Pakistan you will find different NGO and groups,they do follow Marxism,Democracy ,Human rights ,rich class follows Capitalism and than we are all Muslims ,in all this amalgum it is hard to find Secularism.These people are not able to practice secularism or Democracy and that is the biggest handicap.It was my biggest handicap too.

what i want to ask that no matter what, secularism is not exactly the same in every country.secularism in india is quite different from secularism in usa,england or france.
every where secularism evolves from the society it self.
sets it's own standard and develop its own methodology which is never anti social.in easier words we can say that secularism brought many good things tolerance,dialogue,
respect for human life(at least they claim so)along with many bad thing.
what surprise me most about the paki secular fascism.
it's emergence in recent years and it's violent and hatefull attitude against religion is beyond my comprehension.

" To be honest I like this freedom."
This freedom is to live for personal dreams.Like I want to teach at Gaza I pack my bag and end up there.Like I want to save some rare specie of some fish at Atlantic I will live for it.This freedom is to live by what you believe in truely.
Many just dream of a high fly job,fast cars,credit cards and often become a victim of cocktail of celebration of drugs and alcohal.

Dr Jawwad
motives behind a aberration from secularism itself.
I do not know about rest of Europe but English at least have given up morality and religion because of reasoning.Majorly because of Darwin .When a human being decides he is independent or free of GOD he does not need morality.Also they have seen splits in religion and murder in wars because they have caused many around the world.It is natural to grow above it.
They have replaced it with ,"SELF or Human Being " general rules of living in a society with Do and Don't.
What ever suits me is fine as long as I am not a cause of concern or nuisance to others.
To be honest I like this freedom.It is the same principal by which Sufi's live.

@farrah k raja!
quite right!
but i wonder this whole process of rejection can not be unintentional and i don't see any intellectual upbringing behind paki perverted secularism except a intese desire for "nanga nach". there must be purpose or motives behind a aberration from secularism itself.

Asad
Renouncing God and Morality does not mean it does not exist,this is dilemma of AKC.
Problem is he has no other values to replace it with.So instead of moving on he keeps rejecting them.

@Farrah dear,

you said on 22nd jan @8.01 pm in reply to
barrister

" west are mature & beyond contradiction
for they have renounced religion & morality"

I wonder how barrister felt after receiving such
compliments, or was it a slap on his face, if
barrister and his Mongols became already
'mature and beyond condradiction' in the mean time !

@David Mate,
Political Islam is the biggest threat to “world peace” because it gives other(s) the pretext to invade and conquer . Moreover, I believe that a combo of any religion and politics results in hatred and war .I will stop there. Hamas is as much to blame as Israel without a doubt. The Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese, Saudi(s) tend to agree with this assertion. Al-Jazeera on record gave out a very dispassionate analysis of Hamas actually giving the innocent of GAZA to Israelis on a plate .Israel is not that innocent and should not be taken over by religiously motivated folks. After all eventually people like Ariel Sharon who were hardcore to start with realized that “talks and two-state solution” is the only solution. Unfortunately, he died or I am sure, he would have made it happen.

Awab, Lets not forget interestingly most of the Baloch Leaders (excluding Nationalists); I am talking about the current PPP and PML-Q lot still support’s Mushraff. Now obviously, there had been foreign interference especially from IRAN in Balochistan. Let’s atleast give credit to PPP for restoring some sort of confidence in Balochistan.

"Labbek" of course I have read that but it seems I need to re-read .Ali Poor Ka Aeli is best seller.Once I visited Sang-e-meel and they were just re-printing and re-printing
and the demand was still up.

the curse of the modern civilization upon the humanity is that the wishes and temptations became the god for human beings.mulims or non muslims and because of that many of us do not want to control the animal inside and sacriligiouly condemn any effort to bound by shariah.

@farrah k raja!
truely qudrat ullah shahab was a great writer bano qudsia has a deep analysis especially for the society and man and her theory that haram goes in the genes of human being and ashfaq ahmed has distingushed ability of characterization but what amazed me the most about mumtaz mufti is the total truth and amazing amazing and amazing depriciation of intellectual self from his writing and his emotional behaviours.i truely love this man.
do read his "labbek", "ali poor ka aeli" and "ali aur alkh nagree" you will realize how great writer he was.
i have read his books so many times and every time i discover a new experience of life.

@Rabia,

of course he wants all out of Netherlands,and Europe !

you said you live in States, I undestand, you don't know
the European legislations, some of the countries of EU
heavily influenced by zionism have passed some
legislations which are corrupt and not equal e.g.
the so called genocide of Armenians in French legislation
is purely a maneuverings from Armenian diaspora, just
like Israeli initiative against anit-semitism and
revisionism. We try to ask the French legislature to
pronounce two millions of Algerians were genocided by
France, but they don't want,
now if Algerian parliament pronounces
which will be genuine and authentic with debate and
proof, that two million of Algirians were genocided by
France, there will be an earth quake, but they are
prevented to do so, although, its there right !

Rabia, sounds like Pakistani muslimah ?

Dr Jawwad
Of course I have read them deeply.Personally my observation is Qudarat Ullah Shahab is the best in this group.Mumtaz Mufti second best but Ashfaq and Mufti were deeply influenced by Shahab.Shahab was original in practice rest followed his inspiration,Islam.Bano surpasses all of them because of her deep analysis of Pakistan society and norms.

@Rabia,

I support Greet on his opposition to political Islam which is prorably more dangerous then HIV but lets not forget about Greet(s) real agenda which is sending all immigrants and that too Muslims immigrants back which is creating a backlash in Dutch Society.

"OPENLY" and "DIRECTLY" LOLZZzzz

"mil gaey pasban sanam khaney ko kabey se"lolzzzz again

@farrah k raja!
good to know that inspite living in london you still have a taste for urdu literature. if you want to study the best literature in urdu i suggest the name of MUMTAZ MUFTI. for me he is the best along with qudrat ullah shahab, ashfaque ahmed and bano qudsiyah.these personalities left unbelieveable effects on the hearts and mind of many pakistanis.

Asad Ali,
Show me an example where Geert Wilders has openly and directly incited violence against Muslims.

"Extremely interesting the people who are defending freedom of expression are forgetting the right of protest ,strange why Mulsims should not protest if they find something grotesque and offensive."

When did I say that you should not protest about whatever you want? I clearly stated that you should be able to protest about whatever you want and so should Geert Wilders (about Islam). What is your problem with that? The rest of your comments are too emotional to respond to.

@AH,

you don't know what are you talking about !
a society which does'nt respect obligatorily
its citizen's right to respect and equal treatment,&
when a political party's mandate incites hatred and
aparthiede for any community or religion, simply
means that the institutions of that country are
certainly not respecting Human rights and are in
serious degradation towards totalitarianism, and are
less than a well organized brothel !
(see the case of South Africa's aparthied against its
own indigenous population )no wonder Gerrty has
Afrikaan's genetics!!

@Rabia,

you said in your comment of 22 jan09 @6.07 am

" if you said that in the Netherlands could you agree
that you should be put on trial for hate speech "

what have you tried to compare there ?
inciting killings among communities ?
inciting hatred among communities ?

If comparing gaza's Genocide with Nazi's holocaust?
then its not inciting or a hate speech !
e.g. the two million Rwandais genocided, what would you
call it ? that was incited, and eventually perpetrated
calling on radio and organising it.
11.000 Bosnian muslims gencided in Srebrenica, what was
it ? Bosnians declare and claimed it, UNO approved that
it was a genocide ?

Now, Farrah Raja observed like me and others the
following
" seeing latest episode of Gaza, I cannot decide which
was horrific ? what Germans did or what Israel did "

now your reply to Farrah was either stupid or you
yourself judged in your own way, but nothing to do
with the legislation, or in any defiance of right of
expression, apart from the legislations concerning
anti-semitism and revisionism, in what way or law
Geert Wilder will seek protection and immunity ?

His case is pure Islamophobia, and Europe has not
yet established any rigourous legislation, but he has
incited openly against a community, to hate them, and
eliminate them, and he compared Islam with Nazism,
Europe is not yet quite free to have all the rights
equal for everyone ?
IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR ALL MUSLIM COMMUNITIES OF EUROPE
TO DEMAND A LEGISLATION AGaINST ANY TYPE OF ISLAMOPHOBIA
AND ANTI-MUSLIM INCITING HATRED AND CALLING FOR
DEPORTATION.( UNLIKE HIRSA ALI'S TREASON )

Extremely interesting the people who are defending freedom of expression are forgetting the right of protest ,strange why Mulsims should not protest if they find something grotesque and offensive.

Can a society call itself free if it arrests people for expressing their opinion?

What a great question,so walking nude in the streets is the greatest expression of self as per some.Also devil worshipping and sucking blood from cutts is also some sort of expression?
Where would you draw the line?The question is if we do not draw a line where will it lead us?

Rabia
Also Europe has this sensitivity regarding semantic religion because Europe has ,butchered Jews through out Europe and they handed over Jews from around Europe to Germans.
It is definitely a matter of high sensitivity,not only for Jews living in Europe but for Muslims & Christians in Europe too.
USA can be more free maybe because it is sitting so far from Europe,East and Arab world but still cannot keep its hands off.

Dr Jawwad
Shahab Nama is such a good read.I need to read it again though.Also Mustansar Tarrar.

Rabia
"prosecuted for criticizing Islam ".Islam is open to discussion ,Quran is open to different interpretations.
It is not criticising Islam ,it is humiliating,misrepresenting and making it a dogmatic religion whose followers are ignorants,barbaric and idiots.
That was the message of the film.
This message means we need civilisation to be taught to us.I do not accept this .During the Dark ages,when America was not discovered yet ,Muslims had best libraries,and Monuemental Science ,art and architecture ,around Europe,Arab and Asia.
How can anyone blame such a religion a barbaric one.This is my faith ,this is my identity and no I do not allow anyone to mis represent it.It means they are mis interpretting me.

I have friends telling me that another politician is charged against making a dagnatory comment against Islam in Australia.

@farrah,

As for your question about Fitna, I know about the movie although I will come short of saying that I had seen the movie. I also remember a girl of Somalian-Origin who left Islam modeled for fitna (I think she’s a Dutch legislator now).

Farah, as you have mentioned rightly and I have always maintained that there needs to be a serious process of introspection within the Muslim World and the process has already started with writers like Tarek Fatah and Fatima Hussain coming out from Toronto and London areas although we are short of Arab writers. I do not buy the “conflict of civilization” theory at all since the world has moved on and is a more integrated then ever before.

Your assertion Madam that West has moved on and let me quote you, “renounced religion and morality is somewhat true but the word “renounce” is in bad taste. West needs a definition to start with, “to me West is not only Western Europe and America alone but geographically, West is the North America, Western Europe, Australia, Japan and even South Korea but let’s not clamp down and restrict West geographically; it’s the “Western Approach” we should we really capitalizing upon. Now lets not forget that most if not all of the “upper-middle classes” especially and “middle classes” think in Western terms and notions around the world so although they are not geographically “in” one of those conventional countries which are “Western” but they have a pretty western approach.

So a person in Karachi, Bangalore, Shanghai, Harare, and Kiev may not be geographically located in what we call “West” but with the approach he or she respectively could be branded as a westerner. Let’s not also forget we live in a free-market (capitalist) societies which is prorably, West’s biggest export apart from Democracy.

And now to the notion that West have discarded religion and morality. Do you know that there have been serious voices in EU that it should be a “Christian Bloc” instead of a secular one.. Anyhow, you need to know about the history and disputes between the “Church & the State”. The gradual separation between the two (Chruch & State) especially in England and later on during the French Revolution which later spread to most of the European countries is good reading.

Now religion rightly is considered as a private business by West and prorably that’s why they have prospered and as far as “morality” is concerned, I think West is way better then my country, Pakistan or Saudia Arabia or Thailand because there’s a sense of justice in those societies established although they are hypocrites (the nations) for practicing fair play in there societies and practicing just the opposite in other(s) but that’s understandable in International Politics”.

@AH
what if i pass the sickest remarks against your family, will you defend my right of expressing the opinion?
yes i have a right to pee. but what if i go to the vatican city and pee on the face of the pop?

it is not an islamophobia it is hatred against islam and muslims. the rest of europe after world war 2(Almighty bless the soul of the great hitler)some how managed to lower this hatred and became more concerned about peace and equality which was not the case of netherland.they kept their hatred intact (in a civilized way ofcourse)
dutch traditionaly was known in europe as a "slaves of jews"
in shahab nama mr qudrat ullah shahab wrote that at the time of registration of the new born baby, when they asked about the religion,many parents say it is upto my child he can chose any religion when he grow up except islam.

This idiot has become daring because of the weaknes of the Muslims. Allah SWT Himself Will punish him not only in this world but in the Hereafter as well.