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Jermey Scahill talks about Blackwater on Democracy Now

blackwaterJermy Scahill, the defense analyst who recently published an article in The Nation, is interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now. Jermey Scahill says that when he was about to go to press with the article, he got some frantic calls from US Joint Chief of Staff General Mullen. He goes on to discuss the Kestral Logistics a Pakistani firm and its owner Liaquat Ali Baig having close contacts with being the front end for Blackwater’s operations in Pakistan. The numerous covert drone attacks were also analyzed. The first 20 minutes are relevant to the Blackwater controversy


  • Observer

    Where is our own media on this issue? Americans can speak about it far away and unaffected by the atrocities committed by Blackwater. Our own media is not running the awareness campaign they ought to. It is their damn duty to wake up and show some guts. Until further I have only seen the likes of Shireen Mazari speaking on this issue. Where are all the other rabbits?

  • Sir,

    Our media is silent because the story above has the name of Permanent Establishment of Pakistan in connection with Blackwater.

  • Observer

    @Aamir

    I suppose you have some concrete proof/reason to backup your claim.

    Here are some scenarios:

    – The media is paid to shut up. Don't forget numerous greedy yellow journalists in the media and the media barons themselves (no saints either).

    – The establishment (as you mentioned)

    – The army collaborating with their Yankee masters. Drive: Dollars and other Yankee favors as f.ex. a safe haven for for themselves and their family in case they must flee. The same can be said about all the other collaborators/Trojan Horses as f.ex. politicians. Look at how they provide a safe haven for a terrorist like Altaf Hussain.

    – The politicians….no masters except the desire for money. Anyone can buy these mental prostitutes.

    I fear that it's about all of the above mentioned parties doing anti-Pakistan "business" in one way or the other.

  • @Aamir – I suppose you have some concrete proof/reason to backup your claim.[Observer]

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    Dear Sir,

    First of all Eid Mubarak to you and your family and to all those and their families who contribute for this forum. To proceed…

    Nothing just a wild guess because nothing moves around in Pakistan without the nod from Vagabond and Rogue Establishment.Read..

    A tale of two stories By Cyril Almeida Friday, 27 Nov, 2009

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    Before you reach for your pitchfork to skewer evil Americans up to no good inside Pakistan without our leadership’s knowledge — military or civilian — consider what else Scahill has reported: ‘He [a former senior Blackwater executive] said that Blackwater is also working for the Pakistani government on a subcontract with an Islamabad-based security firm that puts US Blackwater operatives on the ground with Pakistani forces in counter-terrorism operations, including house raids and border interdictions, in the North West Frontier Province and elsewhere in Pakistan.’

    ‘Government’ can be misleading since it implies the civilian side of the state, but the story makes it clear elsewhere who inside Pakistan is really working with Blackwater: ‘According to the executive, Blackwater works on a subcontract for Kestral Logistics, a powerful Pakistani firm, which specialises in military logistical support, private security and intelligence consulting. It is staffed with former high-ranking Pakistani army and government officials.’

  • @Aamir – I suppose you have some concrete proof/reason to backup your claim.[Observer]

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    Sir,

    Nothing just a wild guess because nothing moves around in Pakistan without the nod from Vagabond and Rogue Establishment.Read..

    A tale of two stories By Cyril Almeida Friday, 27 Nov, 2009

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

  • farrah shah

    so whom should we put on trial for the collaboration into murder,abduction,physical torture and mental abuse of Pakistani citizens?

    Sometimes I am horrified all the conspiracy theory pamphlets I got against USA during Stop The WAr on IRaq MARCH in London all of them seems to be true and unfortunately that is happening in my Pakistan.

    This is happening to some extent in all countries STATE against the citizen.

    It reminds me of the film ENEMY OF THE STATE.

    The level on which it is happening in Pakistan and the government is collaborating particularly the civil governments is highly sickening.

    These people cannot be pardoned and must not be pardoned.

    The need is we must press for investigation based on civil groups and trial and we must seek justice .So that in the name of business the people who think we are flies and can be blown away in a blast or tortured and abused for US dollars and interest should be brought to book.

    It is our own responsibility to protect ourselves if Government fails to do us.

  • farrah shah

    Pakistan army at this level would not collaborate against its own people.

    It is an institution which is based on middle class.Generals are not born Generals like the politicians.

    They are quite humane and even if they rise to General rank ,the common military person is not rich and spoiled enough to sell people.Of course exceptions are everywhere.But such a level of interaction contracts will include number of Generals and many of whom would not stay quite.

    Most of army men are from rural areas.

    SO Establishment if it means army ….I have huge cloud saying NO .

    Civil governments and private businessmen I can agree to.

  • Generals are not born Generals like the politicians.[Farrah Shah]

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    Then please remove all the blogs written on this very blog against on Generals and Army in Politics.

  • SO Establishment if it means army ….I have huge cloud saying NO. Civil governments and private businessmen I can agree to. [Farrah Shah]

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    ISI AND MI are not headed by Businessmen and Civilians.

  • kk

    I wonder why ppl are so uneasy with Blackwater ?

    our Govt and military establishment and blackwater all are working for same neocon masters

    so why complain

  • kk

    The hypocrite and racist Swiss have voted for a ban on building of mosque minarets , while they give us lessons on extremism, 'free speech' , 'religious freedom' and 'equality for all'

    everyone please blog and condemn this discriminatory act by Swiss

    Indeed the west is at war with Islam not against terrorism

    • Observer

      As far as I know they (a racist political party) has gained the right to hold a referendum by collecting 100.00 votes. Most probably the referendum will decide wether Muslims will have the right to build minaretes and that too in spite of most parties have adviced against voting for a ban.

      Intolerance is wide spread in the "democratic" countries – especially against Muslims. They make laws to show Muslims that they are unwanted in their countries. Recently we have seen bans on scarfs, burka, strict laws for marriage etc., and it's NOT going to stop here. They will continue to abuse us and our socalled leaders will continue to be silent.

      I dare say – though we have not democracy in Pakistan, but we have still more minority rights in Pakistan. Christians are allowed to build churches (and so it should be – we must not imitate intolerance). BUT in the west you can abuse minority rights through "democratic" procedures…..frightening.

    • kk

      Poll was held today, results are out
      http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/11/
      majority have voted to opt for the ban

  • farrah shah

    West is not at war with Islam:

    —————————-

    Have muslims not become the most intolerant people in the West.

    1.Speaking about UK Muslims have objections regarding using Dogs by the police it is offensive for them.

    2.Muslim woman wanted to go to college wearing Jilbab she went to High court against college when the college allowed her to come to college in Shalwar Kameez and Long coat ,head scarff.

    3.Another woman has forced college to allow her to attend wearing Hijab ,change the uniform policey.

    4.Yet another one wanted to be a hairdresser with the hijab.

    5.The story of three little pigglets is offensive to Muslims in the nursery.

    6.Now some people have complaint regarding Christmas plays or celebrations on Christmas ,that children are influenced.

    —-

    before everyone starts pelting at me with stones let us rethink European countries essentially are Christian countries.We get Hallal food,Masajid everywhere.

    But how much do we want to force ourselves on these people ??

    Would we allow a woman wearing a jean and a Tee shirt against School college policy to study and enter .

    Do we allow public drinking even to a gora at public places.

    Would we allow them to have pork in our country ?

    —-

    And frankly speaking they also do not expect this.Most of the people when are posted diplomatically to Islamic countries know very strictly about the social norms.

    Now we the migrants force our laws on a common law.

    —–

    My experience of Europe is quite different as I live in London or UK where I see alot of tolerance ,mosques,Hallal food ,restaurants and Asian bazars .and yes the mosque at White Chappel offers Azan as well.

    i think this much tolerance is enough .

    we have to draw the line instead of playing victims of hatred we have to see these countries tolerate honour killings ,under age marriages,hijab,fasting ,prayers .

    What more do we want .

    In comparison look at Saudia,gulf states,Iran would they be accommodative of Westerners in the same way.

    You got the right to have the mosque ,struggle through courts and will get the minar one day .I am sure it is not all political it is just the clash of cultures .

    i am sorry if someone finds my comment offensive but is written with good intention.

  • farrah shah

    Apart from the above the American Interest in Pakistan and Afghanistan is not religious war ,it is war of resources and having control over region .

    It is all political.

  • farrah shah

    Just saw this group on Facebook:

    Boycott Switzerland products in protest of discrimination against Islam

    fantastic …if people think and feel in that way I take all my comments back .

    and yes I am joining the boycott as well.

    • Observer

      Boycott Swiss products??

      I don't think it will be effective. Do you remember what happened to Denmark when the Arabs boycotted their products? Almost nothing. If the Swiss should be punished in an effective way we (rather our leaders) need to take ALL the money out from Swiss banks. Will that happen. I doubt it VERY much:-(

  • ammad

    Aamir,

    Lol, do you live in Pakistan? How can you dare to speak against the establishment?

    Not that our politicians are saint, but our Generals (read Haram-khours) and their pimps like Ahmed Qureshi and Zaid Hamid Kezzab are another form of blackwater and I guess the crying is that they do not want any other contractor doing their business.

    (Na)Pak Fauj is fighting to establish its own franchise rights, then how can blackwater come and take away their business? or I guess blackwater are getting better hourly rates since they are preferred service providers :)))) Lol

  • S. Harpasand

    So did Jeremy Scahill provide ANY proof to backup his claims or is it all "unnamed" and "anonymous" sources ?

    If you are today willing to accept an AMERICAN magazine/journalist's completely "unsubstantiated" word about Pak govt then tomorrow you should have the courage to accept same magazine and journalists reports about other matters related to Pakistan and other other Muslims countries and matters. No ?

  • Issues like the presence of Blackwater in Pakistan are given too much importance when there is an ongoing activity in South Waziristan where Pakistan is fighting terrorism. The media can help shift the focus to a more optimistic point of view and positive news. This will help the cause of the country in the international market, and fighting terrorism.

    • Observer

      Sorry, this is like an ostrich like behaviour. We need to tackle the issues instead of hiding the head in the sand. I assure you nobody will invest in Pakistan in spite of our medias silence. The West has their own media and they will keep on using the "drums".

  • Dear Observer,

    There is another easy way out for the Muslims residing in the West and protesting against West's Alleged Anti Islam Steps such as Minarate of the Mosques etc.etc. Instead of Boycott Switzerland products, Muslims should adopt the following:

    Secular Democratic – Anglo Saxon system and Islam are two different systems and instead of perverting both [i mean mixing it] one must choose between either one of them.

    If those who are living in West and enjoying Lucrative Jobs in Purely Infidel Setup and that too an Infidel Military Setup, and also talk of Islam then Quran and Hadith should be ultimate for them. They should go back to their Islamic "Home Country" and start living in Muslim Society and should sacrifice Green Bucks and Social Security.

    Those who want to observe Islam, Veil and Islamic Culture should come back

    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّاهُمُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ ظَالِمِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُواْ فِيمَ كُنتُمْ قَالُواْ كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِي الأَرْضِ قَالْوَاْ أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللّهِ وَاسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُواْ فِيهَا فَأُوْلَـئِكَ مَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَسَاءتْ مَصِيرًا

    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah's earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end; [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 Verse 97]

    Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” [Sunnan Abu Dawood]

    It is obligatory to migrate from the kaafir lands to the Muslim lands for those who are able to do that, if they are unable to practise their religion openly.

    Ibn al-‘Arabi al-Maaliki said: Hijrah (migration) means leaving dar al-harb [non-Muslim lands] and going to dar al-islam [Muslim lands]. This was obligatory at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and remains so after his time for those who fear for their lives. From Nayl al-Awtaar, 8/33, by al-Shawkaani.

    Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said concerning the hadeeth, “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen”:

    This is to be understood as referring to those who are not safe to practise their religion there. Fath al-Baari [Interpretation Saheeh Bukhari]

    • S. Harpasand

      >Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said concerning the hadeeth,

      >“I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen”

      >

      >This is to be understood as referring to those who

      >are not safe to practise their religion there. Fath

      >al-Baari [Interpretation Saheeh Bukhari]

      Allah-o-Akbar!

      Go on my dear muslim brothers and sisters, its time for you to move on. Follow the hadith of Prophet (PBUH) and leave these lands of mushrekeen a.k.a. USA, UK, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Netherlands, Australia, India, China etc etc

    • Observer

      @Aamir,

      Thanks for your reply.

      My question is; where do you find MUSLIM land i.e. a country on earth, where we have true Islamic laws?

  • Observer

    The Egyptian scholar, Dr. Tawfik El-Shawi said: "I find Islam but no Muslims abroad, Muslims but no Islam at home"…..Isn't that quite true in Pakistan too. At least they (the West) care more for their people than we do!

  • farrah shah

    for Mr.Harpasand

    Go on my dear muslim brothers and sisters, its time for you to move on……Follow the hadith of Prophet (PBUH) and leave these lands of mushrekeen a.k.a. USA, UK, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Netherlands, Australia, India, China etc etc

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    harpasand the lands of Mushrekeen?????I do not see them any where?

    All the countries you have outlined have a fair population of practicing and non-practicing Muslims.

    The real problem is arising for Mushrekeen they cannot confine Islam to one region alone apart from few countries?

    So it is a think time for Mushrekeen where should they go to save themselves from Muslims.

    Probably Israel.

  • farrah shah

    Muslims are the rightful rulers of India and half of Europe we have ruled there before anyway.Half of the buildings and town developments were done by Muslims so really re-think

    where should the Mushrekeen go ?

    Name a country which does not want to do business with Muslim countries including Israel?

    Name the company or a brand which says it is not for Muslims.

    Muslims how ever are exclusive ,they do not use the products which have used pork,from lipstick to eatables.

    Muslim women cover their body so tell me the London fashion line is all full of dresses which covers up the body.

    Gucchi,Channel,YSL,versachi every one is making headsacrfs for woman……so if the big brands love us,the big states love us what will become of Mushrekeen???

    think about yourself.best of luck

  • farrah shah

    Regarding the fashion though it was Karachi which was so revealing and appealing to West whereas in UK the designers want to catter for Muslims.

    Long shirts and jeans is in fashion for almost donkey years ….it is so long I have not seen girls in minis.

    so Jeans and trousers are in the fashion line.

    Also even the swimming costumes come with expensive tags which cover the full body :

    and now I want to say:

    Aur tum Aapnai rub ki koun koun si naimtoun ko jhutlau gai??

  • farrah shah

    Two most practiced religions of the world are both from the same God:Christianity and Islam .

    Chistians are our very close friends ,Najashi was the Christian King who gave asylum to the refugees of Makkah.

    both believe in one God ,His books,His prophets and even nikkah of a Muslim man is accepted as per religion to a Christian woman.

    In Europe and Palestine and Israel many mosques and Churches are built side by side

    It only happens in our neighbourhood that they have to demolish a mosque to built a Mandir.

    Nowhere else in the world.

    so now think where should really the Mushrekeen go?

  • AN

    then why we have a gripe against them if they dont let us built minarets. why clamouring if beduin is not letting the camel in ?

    i dont think so its a political issue, its a religious one.it started with politics will end in religion

    remember one thing If 9/11 was happened 30 years ago you wouldnt be enjoying summers of London in UK now.

  • Observer

    Kayani: "We live and die for the glory of Islam and Pakistan: COAS"

    Link: http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=92853

    I welcome your statement, but bear in mind it is only a statement. Let's see some practical steps too, then I will start believing you.

    • Reference: CJ says chiefs of MI, ISI asked him to quit: Affidavit on March 9 camp office event By Iftikhar A. Khan May 30, 2007, Wednesday, Jamadi-ul-Awwal 13 1428 http://www.dawn.com/2007/05/30/top1.htm

      NOW GUESS WHO WAS HEADING ISI in above news!!!!

    • After a lot of discussions on the subject, Shahid Aziz reminisced, one day presidential aide Tariq Aziz ‘called me to say that the President had decided to close cases against BB and has asked you to make this happen. I refused and said I would better resign than closing these cases’.

      ‘Tariq Aziz called me up again to say that we have discussed and decided that if you don’t close the cases, you can resign. I asked who these ‘we’ who have decided so are.

      Tariq Aziz said, Tariq Aziz, Gen Hamid Javed and Gen Kiyani (the then ISI chief). He, however requested that instead of destabilising the government through resignation, you (Gen Aziz) should go on a two-month leave on medical grounds and then resign. Musharraf stopped probes, says ex-chief of NAB

      By Khaleeq Kiani Sunday, 06 Dec, 2009 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

  • dr jawwad khan

    more high ranking army officers have been slain.

    it looks that pak army is helping blackwater to eradicate its religious minded faction.

    • Islamic Minded??? Without a Beard??? [Watch the picture on Page 2 of daily dawn]

      Maj-Gen Bilal showed bravery till his last breath

      By Imran Ali Teepu Sunday, 06 Dec, 2009 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    • Observer

      @Amir

      Is it a necessity to have a beard to be Islamic minded?

    • Dear Sir,

      Growing beard is one of the Sunnah for every muslim, my only point was that these Military Mandarins keep Interpretation of Islam and Pakistan Ideology under a constant change to serve their ulterior motive i.e. Hall Min Mazeed [give me more], for example read these stories about a General [Retd] Shahid Aziz and Go through every line and see for yourself that this General changes colour faster than Chameleon:

      SHAHID AZIZ IN 1999:

      Lt. Gen. Shahid Aziz Lieutenant General Shahid Aziz is a retired Pakistan Army general who served as the commander of the IV Corps (Lahore) from December 2003 to October 2005. After retiring from the army, he was appointed Chairman of the National Accountability Bureau, a post he left in May 2007. His illustrious military career has placed him in pivotal posts during critical periods in Pakistan over the last decade. In 1998, he found himself involved in Pakistan’s nuclear tests as Director of Military Operations. During the Kargil conflict of 1999, he served as DG of the ISI’s Analysis Wing. That same year, he was appointed to the role of DG Military Operations where he played a crucial role in the counter-coup that brought President Musharraf to power.

      IN 2009: SHAHID AZIZ SAYS:

      Lt.-Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz who, after having served as Chief of General Staff (CGS) and Corps Commdander under Gen Musharraf, was appointed Chairman of NAB, believes had he and the accountability bureau been given an opportunity to proceed against corrupt politicians and their cronies, the future of the country would have been secured. Musharraf stopped probes, says ex-chief of NAB By Khaleeq Kiani Sunday, 06 Dec, 2009 [DAWN]

      NOW READ HIM AND ABOUT HIS FREQUENT SOMERSAULTS

      “The colour of the article, as it has appeared in the paper, is much different than what I had meant or even implied. Gen Musharraf has a great contribution in leading the nation through a critical juncture of our history, and we should thank him, at least, for buying us the additional time to make us strategically a far stronger nation than we were seven years ago.ISLAMABAD: Ex-CGS Lt-Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz gives more facts about Army-US relations Ansar Abbasi Source: The News, 16/9/2008

      ISLAMABAD: GHQ had strongly opposed handing over Pakistanis to US, says Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz By Ansar Abbasi

      Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz, who served as the Chief of General Staff (CGS) from Oct 2001 to Dec 2003, revealed that the Army as an institution was in complete dark about what was going on between Washington and Islamabad on the war on terror and the GHQ and top Army commanders had strongly opposed the handing over of Pakistanis to the US, but Musharraf did so on his own. The News, 14/9/2008

      NOW READ THIS:

      http://jang.com.pk/jang/sep2008-daily/16-09-2008/

    • Observer

      @Amir

      Then we have no disagreement :-)

  • Observer

    Religious minded or nationalists…the enemy will seek to eliminate both of them. When the damage has been done they will move on totally cripple Pakistan. Why not act like men and say enough is enough i.e. take a stand and stick to it. I am not saying we should go to war, but on the other hand if war is imposed on us, then we should fight rather than giving the enemy a carte blanche to cripple us.

    We must remember what happened to Iraq….first the west infiltrated the system with their "weapons inspectors". They ensured Iraq didn't have the capacity to put up a fair resistance. The method continued for a period and the west ensured the future success for their dirty game….and then we all know how the slaughter began….over a million dead Iraqis. WE MUST NOT FAIL In THE SAME TRAP!!!!

    Listen to this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIvrDJ4C9z4

  • Observer

    We have continuously been listening the Allied Gangs allegations about a safe Haven for OBL in Pakistan. Now these gangsters are admitting themselves that they have no clue for years about the whereabouts of OBL.

    Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8397684.stm

    Excerpt:

    When asked by ABC's This Week programme when the US last had any good intelligence on the whereabouts of the al-Qaeda leader, Mr Gates said: "I think it's been years."

    • Dear Sir,

      Exactly that was point which I raised when Shaheen Sehbai, Dr Shahid Masood and Muhammad Saleh Zaafir and GEO/JANG GROUP made hero out of Seymour Hersh by giving him more importance then he deserved to gain some cheap political mileage. Alas! they should have read what Seymour has to say about OBL within Pakistani Border:Since Seymour Hersh and his article has suddenly become Criteria of Truth for Jang Group and their Fascist Journalists because Seymour's stories carried some remarks on Zardari. So let me quote the same Seymour on Taliban and Al-Qaeda and US CIA's strategic manoeuvring to trap Pakistan for good.

      "QUOTE"

      The Getaway Questions surround a secret Pakistani airlift. by Seymour M. Hersh January 28, 2002
      http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/02012
      The Getaway Questions surround a secret Pakistani airlift. by Seymour M. Hersh January 28, 2002
      http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/02012
      The Getaway by Seymour M. Hersh (page 2)

      The Getaway Questions surround a secret Pakistani airlift. by Seymour M. Hersh January 28, 2002
      http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/02012
      The Getaway by Seymour M. Hersh (page 3)

      The Getaway Questions surround a secret Pakistani airlift. by Seymour M. Hersh January 28, 2002
      http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/02012
      The Getaway by Seymour M. Hersh (page 4)

      "UNQUOTE"

    • Dear Sir,

      Exactly that was point which I raised when Shaheen Sehbai, Dr Shahid Masood and Muhammad Saleh Zaafir and GEO/JANG GROUP made hero out of Seymour Hersh by giving him more importance then he deserved to gain some cheap political mileage. Alas! they should have read what Seymour has to say about OBL within Pakistani Border:Since Seymour Hersh and his article has suddenly become Criteria of Truth for Jang Group and their Fascist Journalists because Seymour’s stories carried some remarks on Zardari. So let me quote the same Seymour on Taliban and Al-Qaeda and US CIA’s strategic manoeuvring to trap Pakistan for good.

      “QUOTE”

      The Getaway Questions surround a secret Pakistani airlift. by Seymour M. Hersh January 28, 2002