It is being reported in BBC News that Pakistani troops have fired shots into the air to stop US troops crossing into the South Waziristan region of Pakistan. Official estimates are quoting Seven US helicopters landing on the Afghan side of the border and then the US troops tried to cross the border near the Afghan province of Paktika. Pakistani paramilitary soldiers at a checkpoint opened fire into the air and the US troops decided not to continue forward.
Initially this reactive response by paramilitary forces may seem to be uplifting for the people of Pakistan to actuall see someone standing up for the country, more importantly to actually see the Pakistan Army doing its job for once, but on a critical evaluation in light of the BBC report I suspect its all an orchestrated drama to salvage the cordial ties between the US and Pakistan, specially since the damaging report that George Bush had actually authorized an all out offensive in Pakistan. The world knows for a fact that the US with its abundant technology will simply walk over any meager resistance on the ground, so Im willing to call the bluff that this is just an eye-candy news story.
That said, considering the low-key [small ammunition] affair, it could very well be an offensive by Afghanistan which Hamid Karazi has been itching to do for sometime.
Big F**king drama. Specially when army salaries are paid by USA. All the have to do is cut off supply line (food/fuel) for two weeks to squeeze USA, if they were serious.
Let me xxplain you back ground, many of people around wont say it loud!
1. TTP (Tehrik Taliban Pakistan) is assembled, financed and trained by India and USA and Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, later they are sent to Pakistan. Americans want to destabalise NWFP for their oil plan…India wants a stake in control over Afghanistan which is a big consumer market for future.
2. Same way, the Taliban in Afghanistan are being trained and supported by ISI, to counter Indian influance. It is very natural that we can not see Afghanistan going in to hands of Indians and TTP being sponsored from there to create unrest in PAkistan.
3. This is going on for several years…you can call us, diplomatic munafqat, even under Musharraff agencies never agreed to give India and USA a free hand to destablise Pakistan. Inside agencies Afghanistan is considered as fifth provence of Pakistan as we have invested a lot over there in past.
4. The present situation, why army has taken tough stand after Musharraff and in sending Musharraff home:
i).Our generals are always on American payroll, but in present situation when Taliban are trying to take over Peshawer, the very existance of Pakistan Army is at stake.
ii). During Musharraff regime the Army repute has gone in todrain and too much anger against Pakistan Army in public and inside army’s lower rinks as well.
There is no way left for army to secure Pakistan if they want to secure themselves.
Now, comming to your point, its not a drama, but reality, shooting at check post inside Pakistan by American soliders at this time will mean a retaliation, resulting in an open war, at this point of time, US forces ate so thinly streched around the world that they do not afford a war with Pakistan, otherwise they would have gone ahead.
Bottom line: whats going on is serious and real show, many wont believe it keeping in view the past of our generals, but they would not have cared for Pakistan unless their own existance was at stake. Expect things will cool down, if government and Army takes a tough stand against US, but we can see some economic troubles.
A Pakistani military coup against US supported Pakistani generals cannot be ruled, in future.
Its a shame how things are turning out for this country. If there is even a .01 % reality in this news then we as nation have all the right in the world to condemn and feel ashamed of these men on the border.
I think this is all part of Election Campaign 08.
Why? they have to take the movie to the climax when they get their FINAL CATCH.
If they just walk-in to a house and catch the figure they want without action like Rambo, then may be people wouldn’t get so excited.
Just my thoughts!!!
Gentlemen Afghanistan is at war with Pakistan. India/USA/UK/France etc are fighting Pakistan.
America are saying: Pakistan is the Problem, Pakistan is new word that replaced Saddam Hussein/WMD
Be clear about it no matter what statements media or anyone gives. America is at war with Pakistan -the very act of not only allowing but working closely with Indian RAW from within Afghanistan to carry out bomb blasts all over Pakistan proves this.
The present governments sell out is already visable from the type of statements they are issuing and the actions they are taking.
While we sleep others have already adjusted to the danger in our region.Both Russia who were defeated by the Taliban ,and even Shia Iran which hated the Taliban are supplying it with deadly weapons.Some reports are that China is also into the act now.We can and must captalise on the natural Russian desire to get revenge;with China and Iran willing to help.If we too join the Game it could be the Americans turn to be bled down to size.
The Pakistan Army is fighting and trying to destroy the CIA/Indian supported Pakistani Taliban,that is why USA is so agitated.Only our PPP led government and it’s foreign ministry remains with the 100% pro US stance,so the neccessary re-focus in our foreign policy is not taking place.
Remember Zardari stating he would go to China first – and then taking off elsewhere!!Wonder how this internal conflict shapes up.
Well yesterday the drones were again flying all over the place but daces no resistance. Where were our fighter jets and helicopter gunships? Busy bombing our citizens…
And you know Mullen is here to to make Kiyani chew on his boots. US has already issued a press release saying all reports about Pakistan taking retaliatory action are incorrect, erroneous, and in error. It goes on to claim “Pakistan will not fire on US defense forces”. Well so far they appear to be correct.
Let’s see what statement Kiyani issues after his meeting with Mullen…
“daces” = “faced”
Please rename yourself as lota.A few days back I was the first to post the news of Pakistan Army defiance of USA on the blogs,and how it had been recieved by the people;I sent it to a few pakistani blogs and also to an Indian one(instablogs).do you know none of the Pakistani blogs posted it;but the Indian one did-and it still remains there.
That told me a lot about Pakistani blogging.Even the best of us have limits to which we like to tell the truth!As for you,you seem to be PPP wala;Else why should you be gloating so soon about American drones flying agiain and no jets responding?
Let me tell you no drones have come;and pretty soon you will see even more signs that General Kiayani means bussiness.Zardari said he would go first to China and that this was China’s due as our friend -but he did not go first!!lets wait and see if General Kiayani in fact does do so;that is China is the first country he goes to.
Then maybe some of us get to realise accepting American isults and slavery is not the only option we have;their are allies who have given us a lot of dignity,and self respect,and technology;….who have not invited India our enemy into it’s bases to work against Pakistan…….and who are even more keen then us to see America out of Afghanistan….togather we(the brave pathans of the frontier;Pakistani patroits(not American paid jehadis) and China – can bury America.I fail to understand how so many cowards try to profess the view that we should not fight America.
Infact their violation of our border-but even more then that their constantly supporting RAW from Afghanistan in it’s operations agaist our stability -shows a mentality seen even earlier in 1965 and 1971.
Let them befriend India -and like we made sure once before that India’s friend was divided into 15 nations;let us determine this time an Indian friend would be divided into more then 50!
its all a bloody eye wash for a foolish nation like ours, we are in no position to challenge americans into a duel. I am sure by the time our fighters will fly to tackle the us drones they would have bombed the hell out and gone back to rest
na… i think v r enough strong to face the Americans…
we have the power of religion 🙂
Please rename yourself as lota…you must be a PPP wala…No drones have come and pretty soon you will see even more signs that General Kiayani means bussiness.”
Still suffering from old wounds, eh? PTDS is a terrible thing, isn’t it? Funny how a Haqqani/Najam Sethi lover is calling me a pipliya 🙂 (By the way I am “honored” you remember me after all this time!)
No drones have come? Seems you still have your head up your @ss. As for your Kiyani meaning “business”, let’s see how many times he responded. Em..emm…ZERO! And he just dropped his pants again:
U.S. Military Advisors May Soon Head To Pakistan
Seems the real purpose of Mullen’s visit was NOT talk of sovereignty but to gain another base and get his special forces into Pakistan. And Kiyani has obliged him fully…
But I am sure you will still not see the light 🙂
Dr. Hassan Abbas is a fellow at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government. Previously, he served in the administrations of Benazir Bhutto and Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan (and you call me a pipliya? I guess Zardari didn’t throw you a bone like he did Haqqani). He is also the author of Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism: Allah, the Army and America’s War on Terror.
Well that explains where your loyalties lie, don’t it? Is it not true your bread and butter comes from providing the West with ammo against Pakistan and feeding their fires for justifying their “war of terror”? Tell me who is our latest piece “From FATA to the NWFP: The Taliban Spread Their Grip in Pakistan” for? Why do you suppose it appears in the “Combating Terrorism Center at West Point”? Why do ALL of your articles appear in some right-wing think tank publication? Do you honestly believe it is just a coincidence? Believe me it is not because you are brilliant. It is because you are a useful slut who serves a need.
@nota alias lota
General Kiayani did go to China;and Pakistan army troops have exchanged fire with US helicopters;and reportedly Gen Kiayani has today made a statement saying that Pakistan is now ready for a long term strategic relationship with China.And Pakistan now has a US drone which it can reverse engineer to make another one of US’s latest pieces of equipment -like we made our cruise missile after we got hold of a US cruise which failed to explode.So as i said just keep on watching what this natiuon will do to counter the lotas who work to please the west.
By the way there is a big difference both between Dr.Hassan Abbas and Hassan Abbas ;as you should be apparent from the messages contained in the writing of both.Bot I suppose that is too much for thick heads to notice.
Hassan the moron Abbas:
“Dr.Hassan Abbas and Hassan Abbas ;as you should be apparent from the messages contained in the writing of both.”
My mistake. You are too dumb to be the other one…Apologies again. 🙂
“Pakistan now has a US drone”
If you’d get your head out of your @rse you’d know PPakistan got it’s hands on Predator drones as far back as 2003. So don’t get too excited. By the way no one knows who this one belongs to anyways.
“Pakistan army troops have exchanged fire with US helicopters”
Right. That is why Zardari was quick to shout “Those were flares, really!”
@nota alias lota
Thanks for the apologies.If you were not so dumb you would know the difference between the one operating in 2003 and one in 2008
@nota alias lota,
And what Zardari says can only ‘matter’ to people like you!
You really are a nincompoop, aren’t you? I had heard about “stupid to the core” but you are in a class by yourself. Expecting the courage to admit your mistakes or accept facts is really asking to much, isn’t it? 🙂
By the way I really enjoyed these statements by you:
“America is at war with Pakistan -the very act of not only allowing but working closely with Indian RAW from within Afghanistan to carry out bomb blasts all over Pakistan proves this”
“While we sleep others have already adjusted to the danger in our region.Both Russia who were defeated by the Taliban ,and even Shia Iran which hated the Taliban are supplying it with deadly weapons.Some reports are that China is also into the act now.We can and must captalise on the natural Russian desire to get revenge;with China and Iran willing to help.If we too join the Game it could be the Americans turn to be bled down to size.”
(So in other words you mean Russia, Iran, China are all helping Taliban against us so we should ask Russia, Iran, China to help us fight Taliban? Oh wow! You even talked about the “Game” with a capttal-G)
“I was the first to post the news of Pakistan Army defiance of USA on the blogs”
(Of course it doesn’t matter that there wasn’t any defiance, but why worry about such facts, right? You are a funny boy!)
“Let me tell you no drones have come;and pretty soon you will see even more signs that General Kiayani means bussiness.”
(I am sure you even today insist on this as fact)
“Pakistan now has a US drone which it can reverse engineer to make another one of US’s latest pieces of equipment -like we made our cruise missile after we got hold of a US cruise which failed to explode.”
(I think you are also unaware of the fact that Pakistan already manufactures and sells drones. Oh right — they must be 2003 models!) 🙂
I am nominating you for the International Peace Award for War on Terror for 2009 as Rehman Malik has booked this years. You really are the perfect candidate 🙂
Yet another drone attack but Kayani as always missing in action. But I am sure you still stand by your statement (“Let me tell you no drones have come;and pretty soon you will see even more signs that General Kiayani means bussiness.”) :p
Here’s the link to the latest drone attack:
BBC: ‘Several killed’ in US drone raid
i think all this is going to be a big drama, as you have seen in the Afghan war, they only need a lame excuse to attack on pakistan