Ever since Musharraf launched the first incursions into Waziristan in 2002, the military offensives have been controversial, heavy-handed, and extralegal. The recent operations in Bajaur and Swat raise new concerns. Instead of risking loss of ground troops, the top military brass has shifted focus to aerial bombing. Entire villages have been uprooted, creating the largest IDP crisis in our history. As our State bombs Pukhtunwa to a pulp, it relies on our unwillingness to object–to stay silent as our leaders exploit our fear of “Talibanization” to legitimize an illegal and cruel war.
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While we recognize the danger and threat of these militants, we do not believe this war will bring peace. The War on Terror has become a war of terror–a war of destruction, and loss of blood of the rural poor of the Northwest. We must remember that militant insurgencies arise in specific historical and social context. During and after the Afghan-Soviet War in the 1980s, money, arms, and training were thrown at the region by the United States. Violence became normalized. A pattern that was instituted then – intelligence agencies’ funded proxies jostling for regional control remains in effect today.
Presently, Central Asia is geo-strategically invaluable. American and NATO planners have been publicly casting their eyes over these areas with the intention of checking China and India’s impending rise, as well as Russia’s reassertiveness. Internally, we must analyse the poverty and desperation in FATA and the state’s repressive and colonial legal control of the region. This dialectic—the importance of understanding local militancy as a consequence of both internal devastation and external interference—should expose the inanity of expecting a War on Terror to expunge the “forces of reaction”, the Taliban, from FATA and NWFP.
Sunday, December 28th, 2 pm
PMA House, Karachi
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94 responses to “Why We Must Unite Against the US-Led War on Terror in Pakistan”
Pakistan is a hub of terrorists.Thats common knowledge by now.The Mumbai attacks were the handiwork of the same people.Look at India.It has made great inroads into technology especially the IT industry and aerospace whereas we pakis have only made inroads in terrorism.
Time for an introspection for all us Pakis.
@ True Pakistan,
actually you are a disguised Hindu Indian
arsehole traitor.
We must unite against this formidable fraud
of war on terror by neoconnards, as said earlier
by some one, including Indian kala ” coloniards”
bastards. India is the base of terrorism,
Genocides and ethnic cleansing, India is known
Exterminator of all minorities.
Paksitan is not hub of Terrorists ,the amount of extremism we have,Syria,Egypt,Turkey ,Bangla Desh ,Yemen,India ,United Kingdom has that many extremists in their countries.
US embassies around the world are attacked by Arabs and so were attacks of 9/11.Lockerbie bombing was carried out by Qaddaffi.Terrorism is rooted in Palestine.Osama is in Afghanistan,another Arab.
Where does Pakistancoem into all this?
USA and India should stop acquitting Pakistan and mass propoganda.What ever problems we have we are capable of sorting it out.
Get out of Pakistan.The day ISI and Pakistan military ended that is the day ,all the Pakistanis will be millitary.We have to defend ourselves from US invasion.
US was never welcome in Pakistan and if it continued agressive policey and propoganda media campaigns to which India is so ready to sing and dance with,
our response cannot be judged .
Three Islamic countries in a row,Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan can USA handle this?
This is diabolical policy of US/UK to weaken Pak-Army which came at 3 or 4th in WOrld Military and lets open doors for indian army to invade pak and get control its nuclear arsenal.
These 3 Islamic countries US can handle by creating carnage and gain profit as they did b4 in WW1-2
Nawaz is the one who doesnt care US pressure else esp Bhutto clan are chums of West
So Nawaz agenda to restore Judges which US-Z suppressed was according to publish wishes and Nawaz can be our last and final Salvation but the prb is that How 2 get rid of current cabal of PPP-democracy Sadr samaith they are sittin
lemme think im doin work on it
@ what is terrorism, who is a terrorist ?
who can define it ?
please come forward and explain
@ Impeach zardari and his Peer !!
they are traitors, hang them !
Why should we hang people?I do not think anybody should be hanged.It is only the difference of Evil and lesser evil.
Terrorist is Lockerbee bombing,terrorist is an attack like on Marriot,terrorist is an attack like 9/11,terrorist is an attcak like 7/7 in London.Terrorist is what happened in Bombay,terrorist is what happened in Madrid.Terrorist is attacks on US embassy.
We cannot win like this.We will loose it big time.Is it wise to kill few and provide a reason to USA to invade Muslims.
We must unite!
How many have been killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan in US war on Terror.
Count the casualities of USA including the attacks on their embassy and 9/11 and count the countries ,which USA is bringing to civil war.
No to terrorism.Yassir Arafat failed,Qadaffi failed ,Terrorism cannot win us anything.Muslims think in a cretaive way.
Truce.
Yasir
The invaders to rule muslims are not born yet.Afghanistan is fighting,Iraq is fighting,Palestine is fighting,Kashmir is fighting.We will fight.
.Look at India.It has made great inroads into technology especially the IT industry and aerospace whereas we pakis have only made inroads in terrorism.
India has also produced great Ignorants like you. Thanks India!
All the crap I read in these comments confirms that propaganda works, it always works. First of all get it out of your system that ‘terrorism’ is some kind of extra body experience. It is a form of resistance that when a group of people believe or are led to believe is required to defend themselves, they will do it, as a matter fact any nation or people are capable of that. Arabs and generally Muslims are victims of stereotypes and other forms of labeling since earliest Hollywood movies like Lawrence of Arabia etc. Even when they were shown in positive light there was some thing very ‘ethnic’ about them that was being promoted. Most of the so called terrorism that we see today appear to be false flag operations. The patterns always appear to be the same, bombardment of propaganda minus the evidence in print and visual media after the event, calling any body who calls for calm reason and proof a ‘traitor’, counting on compromised leaders like Zardari on the receiving end to play along, using international bodies like UN with threat of sanctions to force countries to admit their ‘crimes’ and increase the pressure and to eventually set up the conditions for attack.
As for our cousins to the east, their new found mentors in middle-east, the same country that has occupied other people’s lands for 60 years and is involved in greatest violations of human rights, have led to them to believe that since both of them are facing Muslim insurgencies, both face a common enemy. Our cousins also have fallen in the trap of their grandiose opinion about themselves that they can be a regional superpower forgetting that that position is already filled. So this false flag was carried out in Mumbai, there are a lot of unanswered questions, the shit as told doesn’t make sense, and like after 9/11 and 7/7 you have these Indian TV talking heads howling 24/7 in their Masala accent the same crap that we heard from the American O’Riellys after 9/11 and Iraq attack.
To wrap up, extremism is real, absolutely, but it is a consequence, a reaction to certain specific actions. Extremism also needs funding, we know for example that CIA with the assistance Saudis are the main actor and instigator behind Afghan/NWFP extremism during the Soviet-Afghan war.
“It is a form of resistance that when a group of people believe or are led to believe is required to defend themselves, they will do it,”
I totally agree with you that terrorism is not a mental disease or an aberration. But I am perplexed by your conclusion that it’s a form of defense. Isn’t it equally likely that it’s a form of attack? After all, you just have to read the propaganda of Lashkar-e-Taiba, etc, to realize that their stated goals are quite clearly to establish an islamic rule over South Asia. How do you call that acting in defense?
KarimG
Agreed on :To wrap up, extremism is real, absolutely, but it is a consequence, a reaction to certain specific actions. Extremism also needs funding, we know for example that CIA with the assistance Saudis are the main actor and instigator behind Afghan/NWFP extremism during the Soviet-Afghan war.
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Terrorism is an act of desperation and Pakistanis are not desperate.Even Kashmir has become peaceful.
that’s right rabia!
this is clash between civilisations. an inevitable war.
you might heard the famous saying that “islam is a religion of peace” as a conservative muslim i believe that. but i must say it is partialy true especially when you apply this notion on geopolitical turmoil we see time to time in 1400 years of history of islam.
i believe that islam is a religion of peace only when true followers of islam lead the world or you can say that when islam gets the strength. but when mulims become oppressed and helpless, the picture changes. islam make its followers to fight and resist at utmost power and result ……chaos
the bottom line is that islam is a religion which can never accept the defeat and innhilation.it make its followers to fight and resist till it gets dominated…………
marvelous handy work of ALLAH(SWT)…..right???
It is just an opinion, and I freely admit that I might be wrong about the phenomenon, but Lashkar or whatever else a group like that wants to name itself, is often a spin of of another ongoing conspiracy, obviously if that is the case, ordinary supporters would be unaware of it, and groupd like this definitely benefit from an inherent injustice in a particular region or generally in the society. You see, to create a situation you do not necessarily have to control all its facets, if conditions are in place you just need a trigger. Both world wars, Vietnam war and almost all the major events in the world after the years of preparation just needed that ‘final trigger’. Take for example the present financial crisis, all the pieces were in place and finally the trigger, ‘sub prime’. So the appearance of Lashkar or similar groups are all the consequence of years of preparation. The Pakistani society started out not necessarily as a religious society. When I was growing up in Karachi I remember that there were even strip clubs and bars, whether it is a good thing to have them or not is another debate, but my point is that we did not get it this way, we made it this way. At what point religion became the focal point? When did the religious element started playing central role? Why is it not possible today to talk about Islam freely? Why so many taboos? We have arrived here through a very slow and deliberate process. As a matter of fact similar process has been in place in USA, the population is more religious, more intolerant and more ignorant then ever before and therefore open to manipulation. May be India is next!
@ Farahk raja,
The old and new world order terrorism !
terrorism is not the creation of any muslim country,
since the second world war, can you check please,
the gangsters had created the stooges in our countries,
reaction on repression and resistance or armed struggle
against colonial occupation is called terrorism ?
can you elaborate please !
@ Farrah k raja,
why should we hang them ?
are they not are executing muslim Pakistanis?
are they not exterminating them?
are they not bombarding, killing Pakistani women,kids ?
are they not mass killing the weddings ?
are they not collaborating with world murderers ?
is this your Musharaffian secularism ?
scratch…the devil is under the surface!
Is this also extremism? If so how come it is not reported in the media of the “bastion of democracy and freedom of speech” where is BBC? This is also a Lashkar, the only difference is that we are not supposed to think about them that way, hence the news blackout!
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/tis-the-season-to-be-hateful/
@Rabia,
I am perplexed on your one sided perplexity !
refering to Lashkar’s so called propaganda………
are communist not forcing the world to be communist ?
with all their propaganda and proselytism !
and the Qadianis, Baha’is, Seculars, liberals Hinduvta
Sikhism, Catholicism, evangelists,Moonis Neocons etc,
Exterminating muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine
Kashmir, Fata & NWFP !
ARE YOU BLIND ? dumb and deaf ?
“refering to Lashkar’s so called propaganda………”
huh? Why are you doing this offended routine? just replace propaganda with some other word if you don’t like it… go read Hafiz Muhammad Saeed’s archived jumma khutbas. He talks about establishing Islamic rule over the whole of South Asia.
“i believe that islam is a religion of peace only when true followers of islam lead the world ”
drjawadkhan,
exactly. Then the question remains, why the pretense that terrorism is all about desperation and last resort fighting. I believe there are two groups of people — those like you with a clear-headed acknowledgement of why groups like Lashkar are fighting (they are fighting to establish an islamic world order) and those, like farrah raja that suffer from the misguided notion that they are simply fighting defensively.
Rabia comment @11:37 when did I say ,” they are simply fighting defensively.”
Mr.Asad
My world does not begin with Musharaff neither ends their.
good to see your expression of frustration.Kindly read my comment again.
I am asking why we should hang Zardari or any muslim?
Any way extremely harrased by ignorance and extremism.
Shame is I am facing this from fellow muslims.
“One country’s freedon fighter is another country’s terrorist”
Theres alot of stuff being thrown in the air here.
Islam allows heavy handedness in certain situations but it comes with rules.
You can not kill innocent people i.e civilians
You can not destroy property and buildings
You can not kill animals
You can not poison wells, land etc
You can not kill women and children
Those muslims who act in the name of God and still do these are acting against the rules of the Quran.
So truly they cant be true muslims.
and secondly, why arent the Crusaders ever branded of terrorism who carried out ethnic cleansing?
of course defenseless fight is not that cruel.
farrah k raja has her own perspective to see things. Every one has a right to differ.
but may i ask you why there is a reference of lashkar e taiba(it seems that you are offended by the idea of establishing Islamic rule)
why not tehreek e taliban Pakistan?
i mean no body can say that lashkar e taiba is a terrorist organization with proof……(please exclude india and the west as they have their own agenda and perspectives which is not that secret)
lashkar e taiba is not involved in terrorist attacks or suicide bombing they reserved themselves to fight in kashmir…..is that bad???
lashkar e taiba is involved in rebuilding efforts of Kashmir if you consider jamat ud dawa as Pakistani face of lashkar e taiba.
neither had it involved in attacks on Pakistani security forces.
also it never burnt the school in fact jamat uddawa running many schools and madrisas….right??
Please tell me what is your perspective?
is it ordinary Pakistani perspective inspired by second rising of Islam?
“Or”
it is the Anglo-Indian perspective of good guys/bad guys?
Jammat Ud Dawwa
Well in the past week ! Hindus living in Hayderabad of Pakistan have protested against ban on Dawwa.
These Hindu women(Pakistani citizen) were protesting at the closure of Dawwa centre.Their concern was it was a charity centre providing education and food.
They thought that with the closing down of such centre they will have no alternative for under preveliged or poor.
farrah k raja!
good point
Dr Jawwad!
How many times do I have to Thank you,as many times as you help me:)
you don’t have to.we are all muslims and we are all pakistani.it is an obligation not a favour.
@ TRUE PAKI.
YOU ARE A TRUE MUSLIM WHO IS NOT BLINDED BY THE DEVIL AND GOD IS ON YOUR SIDE MY BROTHER. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT PAKISTAN BEING A TERRORIST HUB. EVEN THE GOVERNMENT IS INFILTRATED BY THESE EVIL.
needless to say that scumbag has been arrived
ladies and gentlemen!
please hold your breath first becuse the stink can make you distrubed and then meet @roma or you can call this animal @romavictor.
but be aware don’t make it come closer.it may attack you.
@ roma,
thats Indian slogan, Pakistan being a
terrorist hub and you are a pacifist
priest ?
@Farrah k Raja,
” anyway extremely harassed by ignorance and extremism”
sorry, you did not reply my post !
are muslims not being exterminated ? and you know well
by whom ?
@rafay kashmiri and myself tried hard to control but roma is a born wild.
YES THE TRUTH IS BACK AND IT IS BACK WITH A VENGEANCE!!!
ALL YOU ISLAMIC EXTREMIST WHO INTERPRETS THE KORAN/QURAN TO SUIT YOUR EVIL IDEOLOGIC VIEWS BE AFRAID VERY VERY AFRAID.
THE ANGEL OF GOD HAS THEIR SWORDS DRAWN AND NO EVIL LONG BEARDED, MASCARA WEARING, TURBAN HEAD AND BAD TEETH PSEUDO ISLAMIC WILL BE SPARED.
dr. sahib, I used the exampe of lashkar-e-taiba, but I might as well have said tehrik-e-taliban. To me, they are the same, except that the Pakistani state has turned on the latter and hasn’t yet turned on the former.
“Please tell me what is your perspective?
is it ordinary Pakistani perspective inspired by second rising of Islam?
“Or”
it is the Anglo-Indian perspective of good guys/bad guys?”
neither, sir. I am just a resident of Karachi who does not want to ever live under sharia law.
This is another good place to start if you want to understand how so called terrorism/extremism starts its roots.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_gifts
and your point mr. Karim G?
Point…you don’t get the point mr. roma? The point is simply this that when people in general and young idealists in particular in under developed countries see this kind of sheer stupidity, not to mention ass licking of the worse kind so that a few privileged families (just like we have here) could remain in power and do the dirty work of the ruling imperialists, they turn to the ideologies and philosophies that they believe will counter and defeat the injustice. THAT IS THE GODDAMN POINT.
Like the president of Iran stated : ‘Girti howe dewaroon ko aik dhaka aur do’- or was it Pakistani lawyers? God’s plan is unfolding,we just need to give it a nudge.
It’s in our national interest to kill and wipe out Islamists inside Pakistan and although the emotional fools will not agree to this but it’s as much as our war then Americas and Britain’s.
It’s great that Army is in FATA although the intensity of operations against Talibans & Islamists should increase
BUT,
Society needs to be reformed and transformed and War Against Terror needs a political transformation too and Pakistan in order to really win the war needs too:
I) BAN ALL KASHMIRI JEHADI GROUPS
II) BAN ALL LASHKARS AND PRIVATE MILITIAS
III) CLOSE GUN MARKETS IN NWFP / PAKHTOONKUA
IV) HAND OVER MASOOD AZHER, MUFTI SYEED AND LAKHWI TO INDIANS – IF- NOT- THEN TRAIL AND HANG THEM
V) APPOINT FORCEFULLY GOVERNMENT NOMINATED MULLAHS IN ALL MOSQUES
VI) SCREEN ALL MADARSSAH STUDENTS IN PAKISTAN
If Pakistan does not comply; the responsible nations should suck financial aide to Pakistan and if Pakistanis comply then they should be rewarded. Carrot & a Stick approach toward Pakistan-Specific Policy Making is needed.
The World needs to dictate this country since the track record of “reliability” and “sustainability” is dismissal and this is in the interest of Pakistan and Pakistanis since there’s a vacuum of leadership in Pakistan.
@rabia!
i can understand that.it is a matter of choice.
i am glad you put it straight.
did you try to understand why there is sudden turmoil and disintegration and realignment with rising violence??
to me the answer is simple we lost the natural equilibrium between two forces,virtue and vice (interpertation may be different.the virtue may be vice to you and vice may be virtue for me.but these are present)
the natural equilibrium in muslim pakistani society was a silent understanding between two forces.the vice should be silent and unvisible the virtue should be visible and preached.things were perfectly normal till this understanding was violated.
over the 8-9 years the seculars not only got the strength and align themselves with the west but also wedged a nasty war with the rasikh ul aqeeda muslims.the problem started when ordinary muslims feel threatened when they saw the effects of enlightend moderation in their houses and increase in social and moral crimes.
on the other hand ordinary pakistanis like me were freaked out when saw the images from FATA and lal masjid and jamia hafsa.that was a perfect recepie for disaster.
so at the end of 2008 we are trapped in vicious circle of death and destruction.
the only possible solution for me is the islamic revolution nothing else
Barrister Sahib
How many people has been hanged in UK and USA because of Terrorism?
Immunity for all.Do not crack under pressure and let us not think best solution is what USA is giving us.
Crack downs would bring more hatred,more anger,more frustration.
Only the people who have track record of crime should be punished.What should Pakistan comply with,these are Wahabis take them in ,these are Jamattyai take them in.Only people who are if proven of committing any blast attacks in or outside Pakistan should be trialed.Not hanged.
We have to think on his deep and answer it properly,we are human beings,if we want to save our people from extremism it does not mean we are going to kill them itslef.
USA would never be pleased.
They should lookwithin as well and their forign policey towards muslims.
They would not,so we are between the devil and the deep sea.
So we should try to get immunity for people and get oppertunities forward,plans and programmes to win hearts and minds.
Pakistan has no vaccum of leadership ,it is not in our own interest to get our people behind bars.
Has India arrested all Hindus because of BJP,Babri Masjid and Gujrat fasad ????
one crises among muslims ,difference of approach how to deal with USA,come on Muslims,
Think and re-think.
If Madrissahs are problem change the faculity,change the syllabus.Students unions should be ban.
If we are talking to USA we should talk to muslim groups as well.
and please read the comments of @barristerakc.
you will have an idea why the jihadi forces are so ruthless.
you do not believe in islam it’s ok.say it loud and clear.
no one will come to ask the reason.
the problem arises when start a war with shahdat loving muslims. failing to realise that no matter how much money,propaganda and high tech weapons you use, you will loose the war.
jihad is not like some financial crisis which can be solved by giving some nasty assurance to the zionist masters.
Asad Ali
Muslims are exterminated but ,killing is not the answer.
We would not get anywhere by this route.Palestine has lost how many generations did they get the solution?
This war of USA is based on dictation,lies and propoganda,why we are ready to kill ourselves and not face this war intelligently?
Protest ,get the figures of dead army and civillian,of children of women,from Iraq,from Palestine,from Afghanistan,from Pakistan
show this disgusting and ugly face to world what you are going through.March with children and woman one big peaceful rally will get you more and better representation.
It is people of UK and USA should stand with you.
Show them what we are angry about?USA and Uk governments are answerable to people.People are the power.Talk to them.
why should we hand anyone to India?Pakistan we are an independednt country we should not be taken over neither by extremists nor by USA.
How many can we protect five years agao they asked top ten now they are asking everyone.
when we will draw the line?
I. All prior negotiations and pacts failed with Talibans & Islamists. There’s no point of talking to them now. Plus there’s another concern from ISAF that making pacts with the Talibans will increase violence in Afghanistan. We have tried everything and it didn’t work.
II. The Carrot & the Stick Policy could only work when B & C Areas are turned into A Areas where government is in control. The British & even the Sikhs historically negotiated with tribal when they had an upper hand. (please Read, James Wilkins book, “Barbaric Pashtuns”…
III. There’s a sectarian dimension to FATA too which lot of people ignore. The Talibans are fighting against Shia in Parachinar.
We have to reform our security apparatus and although ISI is in control we have to keep in mind that there are some genuine greviences about our role in War Against Terror.
Lt.-General Mahmoud Ahmad the ex-ISI also happened to have previously approved of wiring $100,000 to the lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohammed Atta (German Sleeper Cell)….So the International Community have a legitamate concern.
and look at the remarkable efforts of @farrah k raja.
she is trying hard to pacify all sides with common sense.
but the problem will not stop untill unless the seculars distance themselves from this war and unite against us led war on terror.
i am afraid if jihadi won this war the consequences will be extremely painful for the seculars of pakistan.
america has started to loose this war.i strongly believe that nothing good can ever come out from war on terror.
this war created a rift between pakistani religious and seculars we can prevent it to become bitter,ugly and bloody
war by uniting against amercia led war on terror.
Barrister Sahab
Let us not mix everything.Sectarian voilence inside Pakistan is one thing, second is tribal customs or differences.
I hate this approach of Pakistan where all of a sudden we think that because USA and India is pressurising us we need over night democracy or become moderate.
We are moderate.Moderate means inclusive of religion,inclusive of local traditions but better human rights and oppertunities.
Increase NGO’s.Talibaan have co-operated with Peace organisation to do polio vaxine for children.
European Ngo’s are working in Afghanistan to work with local people for eductaion .Open up technical colleges.
Let us not look at problems in isolation.Discuss with the heads of Jirga .Discuss it with Talibaan ?New government formation in afghansitan.Rehabilitation of people ,give this to USA .Ask their army to work on it.How can you dictate peace?
It is not Afghanis or Pukhtoons are frustrating USA it is Pakistan government which is failing to provide Answers and solutions.Why Pakistan governement is failing?
Pakistan government has got this excuse USA is not listening.
They were not listening but now they are provide answers.
No,this cannot be.Democracy cannot be dictated,it has to evolve from within people.Talk to Pushtoons & Afghanistan & Arabs ,these are proud people.
It is always easy to take over Afghanistan but impossible to rule them.
Pakistan is trying to address everything in one go.War against Shiats,War against Sunnis,War against Wahabis,War again Pukhtoons who is bloody left behind?
Punjabi ???Pakistan army?Oh who will face the back lash?
If we want democracy and secularism it has to start from here.The seeds have to be cultivated now.
First stop branding people ,labelling them or putting them into boxes.Until proven guilty.have trials of people without torture ,convince us who you have kept are involved in terrorism.If no proof no arrest.
Secondly listen to their grievences.Pakistan government has to resolve these issues internally.
If USA has failed to track Osama and rest in past eight years,they would not do any miracles in next eight years either.
USA will be hard on us now only if we didnot address the problem.It is not putting people behind the bar .It is by creating understanding .Negotiate with these people.They are our people ,Pakistan government and army is their as well.
These conflicts are not easy and will not be untangled over night.
Indian democracy????are you buying this .Only three terms of congress has built up this facade ?
BJP is major opposition.
In Pakistan we never had Islamic religious groups won in majority,it shows people are secular.
I cannot wear hijab so we will discuss this in parliament not at the roads where the laws of land are made.
Include everyone.Izzat ,gharait ,Islam are big words in Pakistan.We can kill easily on the provocation of these words ,let us not provoke,let us nullify these words with reason.It will take time to change culture.
People are afraid of each other,people are afraid to speak up ,people areafraid to be muslim,people are afraid of to be liberal,are afraid of to be shiat or sunni or wahabi,people are afraid of to be Punjabi in Karachi ,or Pathan ,come on everything is a crime????
Than this life is not acceptable not at the terms of others,my freedom is important to me but so are my people.
Without my people unless they recognise me,I have no identity.Pakistan government needs to have this identity with people.
Own your people,support Islam but explain we cannot go further than this.
Dr Jawwad the problem is
In the name of liberalism and secularism people have forgotten because of propoganda there is Islam as well.
I am the most liberal person and secular as well but I am muslim as well.
Secularism,liberalism,and democracy include and adjust these with our religion .Our religion is liberation only if people start applying rationale and objectivity to these issues .
We the muslims need to understand ourselves instead of looking and assessing ourselves with the eyes of West.