We have long since known that the Taliban entity is not a mere single unified front waging a war in the North Western regions of Pakistan but a hodge podge of various groups working independently for their own vested interests. There are potentially three Taliban factions one headed by Baithullah Mehsud which was working against the interests of Pakistan, while Jalaluddin Haqqani and Mullah Omar were given protective custody by the ISI
London Review of Books – Taliban v. Taliban by Graham Usher
In the Bajaur tribal area, for example, the army is fighting an insurgency led by Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of one of Pakistan’s three Taliban factions, but it’s not because he is a friend of al-Qaida. What makes him a threat, in the eyes of Pakistan’s army, is that he is believed to be responsible for scores of suicide attacks inside Pakistan (including the assassination of Benazir Bhutto). He is also thought to have recruited hundreds of Afghan fighters, among them ‘agents’ from the Afghan and Indian intelligence services – ‘Pakistan’s enemies’, in the words of a senior officer.
An enemy in Bajaur, the Taliban is a friend of Pakistan in North and South Waziristan. Like Mehsud, the guerrilla commander Jalaluddin Haqqani, who directs the Afghan Taliban’s ‘central front’ from bases in Pashtun villages in Pakistan, has ties to al-Qaida. Unlike Mehsud, he’s not attacking Pakistan, and his fight against the US and NATO enjoys the support of the army and of broad sections of the Pakistani public. The same courtesy has been extended to Mullah Omar, whose headquarters are in Quetta, where he’s reportedly sheltered by the ISI. ‘They are our people; they’re not our enemies,’ one ISI officer says.
These factions which were working against each other in the past, may have potentially joined forces to launch an assault on a mutually common enemy – Obama, Zardari & Karzai. Obama understandably as he still continues George Bush’s offensive in the region. Karzai features in the list as he is the US puppet in Afghanistan since the last eight years quite simply has been the central target, but to see Zardari being featured amongst the enemies is probably understandable since he does remain committed in leading this country down a spiraling path of doom.
The three feuding Taliban factions have now joined forces against ‘Obama, Zardari and Karzai’ in an agreement brokered by Mullah Omar. One of the factions is led by Baitullah Mehsud. The other two are pro-Afghan Taliban factions based in South and North Waziristan, which had largely refrained from attacking the Pakistan state and army but may not do so any longer. The army is also worried that the surge could cause a further flight of Afghan Taliban and other militants into the tribal areas. If the army acts against them, retaliatory strikes may follow across Pakistan. If it doesn’t, US and Afghan soldiers might chase them inside Pakistan – as they did last September, killing 20 tribesmen ‘by mistake’. Any such incursion would unite the Pashtun tribes behind the Taliban, deepen anti-American sentiment in the army and stretch US-Afghan-Pakistani co-operation to breaking point.
I think Grahma Usher has presented a well thought out analysis on the Taliban insurgency and the dilemma faced by us in confronting these rouge elements. The root cause of the problem/solution does not lie in possibility of implementing a new sharia code, but instead it is to question the chain of events that has led Pakistan into such a precarious situation since 2001.
None of our leaders back then were willing to stand up and stay stop, none of our leaders NOW are willing to wake up from their slumber party as they are more busy in counting the shovel loads of dollars being forked over into their bank accounts and remain busy scheming how to siphon of the new tranche of 5.5 billion in aid that is knocking on our door steps –
Will someone please stand up and save Pakistan….. it been proven time after time that our leaders simple don’t want to
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Interstingly the contributor failed to mention other Taliban groups who also joined the TTP banner in the past but are not in favour of working aginst the Pakistani security forces; noteably among them are Groups led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulavi Nazir.
good analysis.
so there are two forces dragging us towrds their side.
one is a force which want to change some thing,the taliban
other is a force which wantinstability,chaos,disintegration
and a complete paralysis, the three devils
and here we are screaming,yelling and begging for protection from taliban……how pathetic
it is time to launch movement to save our homeland as one for restoration of judiciary
It is bye bye Buner and I am livid about it, see link:
http://blog.otherpakistan.org/2009/04/22/bye-bye-…
Obama, Zardari & Karzai
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Dear Maestro,
Some forgotten facts:
Dear Sir,
For you kind perusal,
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Hamid Karzai:
He also served as deputy foreign minister [Pakistani Establishment Backed and concocted Afghan government] in the Afghan government from 1992 to 1994 after the mujahedeen defeated the Soviets. But he grew weary of the fierce infighting between rival Afghan factions and initially supported the Taliban, who tried to name him as their ambassador to the United Nations.
Now please dont deny that Pakistani Establishment particularly Rogue General Zia and Bunch weren't go between Afghan Mujahideen and US Central Intelligence:
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Karzai was a member of the Mujahideen and took active part in driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion in the 1980s. The Mujahideen were secretly supplied and funded by the United States, and Karzai was a top contact for the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) at the time. He had close personal contact with CIA Director William Casey and George H. W. Bush, who was Vice President of the United States.
When the Taliban emerged in the 1990s, Karzai was at first one of their supporters but later he broke with them and refused to serve as their U.N. ambassador. However on August 20, 1998, after an attempt by the United States to kill Osama bin Laden with a cruise missile, Karzai praised the Taliban saying,
“ …there were many wonderful people in the Taliban.
Reference:
a b Marlowe, Ann (February 11, 2008). "Two Myths About Afghanistan", The Washington Post, p. A13. Retrieved on 2008-02-11. "On Aug. 20, 1998, the day the United States sent cruise missiles to kill Osama bin Laden, Karzai told The Post that "there were many wonderful people in the Taliban. …So he spent much of the fall offering to negotiate with Taliban chief Mohammad Omar and the vicious warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar."
The same Karzai and his mentor Zalmay Khalilzad were the ones who used to negotiate Oil Pipeline Deal on behalf of UNOCAL AND HALLIBURTON [M/S Dick Cheney and James Baker] with the Rampant Deobandi Mullahs of Talebans!
References
Ilene R. Prusher, Scott Baldauf, and Edward Girardet (June 10, 2002 edition). "Afghan power brokers" (HTML). pub. Retrieved on 2007-12-11. “Cool and worldly, Karzai is a former employee of US oil company Unocal – one of two main oil companies that was bidding for the lucrative contract to build an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan through Afghanistan to seaports in Pakistan – and the son of a former Afghan parliament speaker.”
Tom Turnipseed (January 10, 2002). "A Creeping Collapse in Credibility at the White House:" (HTML). counterpunch. Retrieved on 2007-12-11. “As reported in Le Monde, the new Afghan government's head, Hamid Karzai, formerly served as a UNOCAL consultant. Only nine days after Karzai's ascension, President Bush nominated another UNOCAL consultant and former Taliban defender, Zalmay Khalilzad, as his special envoy to Afghanistan.”
"Hamid Karzai" globalsecurity (2007). Retrieved on 2007-12-11. “The claim appears to have originated in the December 9, 2001 issue of the French newspaper Le Monde. Some have suggested that Karzai was confused with U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad.”
To assure that the pipeline project will proceed apace, the Afghani-American Zalmay Khalilzad, a previous member of the CentGas project, became President Bush's Special National Security Assistant. Khalilzad has recently been named presidential Special Envoy for Afghanistan. Khalilzad is a Pashtun and the son of a former government official under King Mohammed Zahir Shah. Along with being a consultant to the RAND Corporation, he was a special liaison between UNOCAL and the Taliban government. Khalilzad also worked on various risk analyses for the project under the direction of National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, a former member of the board of Chevron.
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What makes him a threat, in the eyes of Pakistan’s army, is that he is believed to be responsible for scores of suicide attacks inside Pakistan [Maestro]
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Dear Friends,
We are overlooking one thing:
US using anti-insurgency tactics of Iraq in Fata By Our Correspondent
September 09, 2008 Tuesday Ramazan 8, 1429
http://www.dawn.com/2008/09/09/top13.htm
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/us-cias-…
Church Report Covert Action in Chile 1963-1973.
http://www.foia.state.gov/Reports/ChurchReport.as… A
What makes him a threat, in the eyes of Pakistan’s army, is that he is believed to be responsible for scores of suicide attacks inside Pakistan [Teeth Maestro]
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Know Thy Enemy
Another Paper prepared by Former US Diplomat in Pakistan, Ryan C Crocker, while he was being deputed to Iraq:
Covert War in FATA [Just change the location of Iraq with FATA]
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National Defense University National War College THE ORIGINS OF AL-QAEDA IDEOLOGY Implications for U.S. Strategy Christopher Henzel Course 5602:
Military Thought and the Essence of War Expanded Paper Faculty sponsor: Colonel James E. Harris, USA Faculty advisor: Ambassador Ryan Crocker April 20, 2004 Word Count:4554
However, the United States, the existing Arab regimes, and the traditional Sunni clerical establishments all share an interest in avoiding instability and revolution. This shared interest makes the establishments in the Sunni world America’s natural partners in the struggle against Al-Qaeda and similar movements. If American strategists fail to understand and exploit the divide between the establishments and the radicals within Sunni Islam, the United States will play into the revolutionaries’ hands, and drive fence-sitting Sunnis into its enemies’ ranks. Outsiders of the Sunni World Sunni Islam is a very big tent, and there have always been clashing philosophies, and insiders and outsiders, within Sunnism.*Throughout the past century, the most important of these clashes have occurred between Sunni reformers and the traditional Sunni clerical establishment. The ideology espoused today by Al-Qaeda and similar groups can be traced directly from the nineteenth-century founders of modernist reform in Sunnism; Al-Qaeda’s leading thinkers are steeped in these reformers’ long struggle against the establishment. The teaching of these reformers has been heterodox and revolutionary from the beginning. That is, the reformers and their intellectual descendants in Al-Qaeda are outsiders of today’s Sunni world. For the most part this struggle has been waged in Egypt, Sunni Islam’s center of gravity. On one side of the debate, there is Cairo’s Al-Azhar, a seminary and university that has been the center of Sunni orthodoxy for a thousand years. On the other side, Al-Qaeda’s ideology has its origins in late-nineteenth century efforts in Egypt to reform and modernize faith and society. As the twentieth century progressed, the Sunni establishment *Shiism, Islam’s other great branch, has at least as much diversity, but is beyond the scope of this essay because Al-Qaeda is a militantly Sunni movement with no appeal in the Shia world.
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And what our Agencies read "Takbeer, Ummat and Jasarat like Bukhari to make daily situation report for highups.
Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of one of Pakistan’s three Taliban factions, but it’s not because he is a friend of al-Qaida. [Maestro]
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Baithullah Mehsud could be a CIA ‘intelligence asset’ in this double game Comment by Yousuf Nazar
http://www.yousufnazar.com/?p=608
” The top US military commander and the CIA official were also asked why the CIA-run predator and the US military did not swing into action when they were provided the exact location of Baitullah Mehsud, Pakistan’s enemy number one and the mastermind of almost every suicide operation against the Pakistan Army and the ISI since June 2006. One such precise piece of information was made available to the CIA on May 24 when Baitullah Mehsud drove to a remote South Waziristan mountain post in his Toyota Land Cruiser to address the press and returned back to his safe abode. The United States military has the capacity to direct a missile to a precise location at very short notice as it has done close to 20 times in the last few years to hit al-Qaeda targets inside Pakistan.Pakistani official have long been intrigued by the presence of highly encrypted communications gear with Baitullah Mehsud. This communication gear enables him to collect real-time information on Pakistani troop movement from an unidentified foreign source without being intercepted by Pakistani intelligence.”
What makes him a threat, in the eyes of Pakistan’s army, is that he is believed to be responsible for scores of suicide attacks inside Pakistan (including the assassination of Benazir Bhutto). [Maestro]
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A Sufi Muhammad is being prepared for Punjab [May Allah have mercy on us, Amen]:
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Benazir Bhutto writes in her last book about October 18, 2007 bomb attack in Karachi:
Quote: “later I was informed of a meeting that had taken place in Lahore where the bomb blasts were planned. According to this report, three men belonging to a rival political faction were hired for half a million dollars. They were, according to my sources, named Ejaz, Sajjad and another whose name I forgot. One of them died accidentally because he couldn’t get away fast enough before the detonation. Presumably this was the one holding the baby. However, a bomb maker was needed for the bombs. Enter Qari Saifullah Akhtar, a wanted terrorist who had tried to overthrow my second government. He had been extradited by the United Arab Emirates and was languishing in Karachi central jail. According to my second source, the officials in Lahore had turned to Akhtar for help. His liaison with elements in the government, according to this source, was a radical who was asked to make the bombs and himself asked for a fatwa making it legitimate to oblige. He got one.(p.221)” Unquote.
QARI SAIFULLAH AKHTAR HAS BEEN AT LARGE IN PAKISTAN SINCE MAY 2007
http://www.yousufnazar.com/?p=388
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A very dangerous and a very lethal operation is going on in FATA i.e. A Repeat Performance of USA in Latin America and one of the Dark Character who was very 'active' in Latin America is in Obama Administration:
THE NEGROPONTE FILE
NEGROPONTE'S CHRON FILE FROM TENURE IN HONDURAS POSTED
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 151 -Part 1 Edited by Peter Kornbluh April 12 , 2005
CLOSE TIES TO HONDURAN MILITARY LEADERS
The 392 cables and memos record Negroponte's daily, and even hourly, activities as the powerful Ambassador to Honduras during the contra war in the early 1980s. They include dozens of cables in which the Ambassador sought to undermine regional peace efforts such as the Contadora initiative that ultimately won Costa Rican president Oscar Arias a Nobel Prize, as well as
multiple reports of meetings and conversations with Honduran military officers who were instrumental in providing logistical support and infrastructure for
CIA covert operations in support of the contras against Nicaragua -"our special project" as Negroponte refers to the contra war in the cable traffic. Among the records are special back channel communications with then CIA director William Casey, including a recommendation to increase the number of arms being supplied to the leading contra force, the FDN in mid 1983, and advice on how to rewrite a Presidential finding on covert operations to overthrow the
Sandinistas to make it more politically palatable to an increasingly uneasy U.S. Congress.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB151/ind…
The Iran-Contra Affair 20 Years On
Documents Spotlight Role of Reagan, Top Aides
Pentagon Nominee Robert Gates Among Many Prominent Figures Involved in the Scandal
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 210
Richard Cheney –
now the vice president, he played a prominent part as a member of the joint congressional Iran-Contra inquiry of 1986, taking the position that Congress deserved major blame for asserting itself unjustifiably onto presidential turf. He later pointed to the committees' Minority Report as an important statement on the proper roles of the Executive and Legislative branches of government.
Robert M. Gates –
President Bush's nominee to succeed Donald Rumsfeld, Gates nearly saw his career go up in flames over charges that he knew more about Iran-Contra while it was underway than he admitted once the scandal broke. He was forced to give up his bid to head the CIA in early 1987 because of suspicions about his role but managed to attain the position when he was re-nominated in 1991. (See previous Electronic Briefing Book)
John Negroponte –
the career diplomat who worked quietly to boost the U.S. military and intelligence presence in Central America as ambassador to Honduras, he also participated in efforts to get the Honduran government to support the Contras after Congress banned direct U.S. aid to the rebels. Negroponte's profile has risen spectacularly with his appointments as ambassador to Iraq in 2004 and director of national intelligence in 2005. (See previous Electronic Briefing Book)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/ind…
while Jalaluddin Haqqani [Maestro]
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Early October 2001: ISI Director Prevents Key Taliban Leader from Defecting
Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed is supposedly helping the US defeat the Taliban (see September 13-15, 2001) while secretly helping the Taliban resist the US (see September 17-18 and 28, 2001 and Mid-September-October 7, 2001).
[Source: History Commons]
Jalaluddin Haqqani is a Taliban leader close to bin Laden who controls the Khost region of eastern Afghanistan where most of bin Laden’s training camps and supporters are. Journalist Kathy Gannon will later note, “Had he wanted to, Haqqani could have handed the United States the entire al-Qaeda network.” [Gannon, 2005, pp. 94]
He also has extensive ties with the ISI, and worked with the CIA in the 1980s. Journalist Steve Coll will later say, “There was always a question about whether Haqqani was really Taliban, because he hadn’t come out of Kandahar; he wasn’t part of the core group. And it was quite reasonable to believe after 9/11 that maybe he could be flipped.…
US Official summoned him to Pakistan, and they had a series of meetings with him, the content of which is unknown.”
[PBS Frontline, 10/3/2006]
In early October 2001, Haqqani makes a secret trip to Pakistan and meets with Mahmood. Mahmood advises him to hold out and not defect, saying that he will have help. Haqqani stays with the Taliban and will continue to fight against the US long after the Taliban loses power. [Gannon, 2005, pp. 94]
SOURCE: History Commons
They are our people; they’re not our enemies,’ one ISI officer says.[Maestro]
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And what about the ones who says that Taliban are our people not enemies, those who are saying this are not our friends either:
Cover-up or Complicity of the Bush Administration? by Michel Chossudovsky Professor of Economics, University of Ottawa Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), Montréal
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.htm…
Two days after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, a delegation led by the head of Pakistan's military intelligence agency (ISI) Lt. Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, was in Washington for high level talks at the State Department.1
Most US media conveyed the impression that Islamabad had put together a delegation at Washington's behest, and that the invitation to the meeting had been transmitted to the Pakistan government "after" the tragic events of September 11.
But this is not what happened!
Pakistan's chief spy Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad "was in the US when the attacks occurred." 2. According to the New York Times, "he happened to be here on a regular visit of consultations." 3
Not a word was mentioned regarding the nature of his "business" in the US in the week prior to the terrorist attacks. According to Newsweek, he was "on a visit to Washington at the time of the attack, and, like most other visitors, is still stuck there," unable to return home because of the freeze on international airline travel 4
General Ahmad had in fact arrived in the US on the 4th of September, a full week before the attacks. 5 Bear in mind that the purpose of his meeting at the State Department on the 13th was only made public "after" the September 11 terrorist attacks, when the Bush Administration took the decision to formally seek the "cooperation" of Pakistan in its "campaign against international terrorism."
The press reports confirm that Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad had two meetings with Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, respectively on the 12th and 13th. 6 After September 11, he also met Senator Joseph Biden, chairman of the powerful Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate.
Confirmed by several press reports, however, he also had "a regular visit of consultations" with US officials during the week prior to September 11, –i.e. meetings with his US counterparts at the CIA and the Pentagon. 7
Truth is; taliban are just waging a proxy war for the US; on the outside all looks fine and dandy with them spreading sharia (sarcastic note); on the inside; they are working together.
Its just a cover up for the US to disarm pakistan of its nuclear stockpile and end the nuclear muslim state threat to its regional strategic plans.
Pakistani army commanders who side with the taliban are just fooling around with the old doctrine of zia ul haq and are just in a state of denial about what the taliban really are.
TeethMaestro: The root cause of the problem/solution does not lie in possibility of implementing a new sharia code, but instead it is to question the chain of events that has led Pakistan into such a precarious situation since 2001.
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Say "….precarious situation since 1980." Because the seeds sown by Zia are now strong trees and are multiplying.
Another thing that there are not only three factions….even JI has strong relationship with them we all see that some of the Al.qeda man were arrested from the house of the JI Nazim and naib Nazim in Karachi and Rawalpindi.
"Another thing that there are not only three factions….even JI has strong relationship with them we all see that some of the Al.qeda man were arrested from the house of the JI Nazim and naib Nazim in Karachi and Rawalpindi"
what about "BE QUIDA" ? they have strong relation with indian raw and cia.kala bawaseeri gave the speech in india claiming that pakistan was a mistake.
can we trial that kala bawaseeri for treason,murders,extortion and "bhatta geeri"?
Dear Dr. Jawwad Khan Bawaseeri,
Seems that you have been in severe bawaseer pain that even your mouth and fingre are yelling "BAWASEER".
The topic we are dicussing here is
"Taliban factions potentially joining forces against Obama, Zardari & Karzai". So keep to the topic only and dont yell about the pain in your a**.
Guys: I was not indecent, but Dr. Jawwad wanted me, so I fulfilled his demand.
LAG GAEE KIAAA? hahhahahahahahahah
but i didn't say anything against you.why you got so irritated? hahahhahahahahaha.
its ludicrous to see the anger of MQM and "mawalis" of MQM.
the fascist organization which is responsible of murder of hundreds of innocent civilians, crying for help against taliban.
kia ganga naha liye ho?
900 pakistani kha laney ke bad haj par janey ka irada hey?
Dear Dr. Jawwad,
Again you are crying for your own pain.
Why you are not crying for the Talibans who killed and slaughtered Pakistanis? Who created the fuss of sacterianism and killed as many as 100 shiea doctors in pakitan and blasted shea mosques??
Why Jawwad each time we discuss Taliban(creation of whom was supported by JI) atrocities you come up finding MQM as scapegoat on the discussion. I am not advocating the actions of MQM as 100% right but still we are discussing something else.
Be Objective, Realistic and to the Topic.
my pain? thats ridiculous.
its not my pain its a pain of hypocites islamophbics?
and the claim that ji supported the creation of taliban is even more absurd.
i am observing the extent of hue and cry which i never seen in my life and seems very much unrealistic.just compare the crimes committed by MQM or in the streets of karachi in one day and compare it with the "atrocities" by taliban….its nothing.
i strongly condemned the killing of 100 shia doctors(although iam not convinced with the figure) do you condemned kala bawaseeri for giving speech against pakistan?
and please do not say that you are not the supporter of MQM.every one can see whose language you are speaking.
Ok lets not say that Talibans creation was supported by JI because it hurts your feelings for JI.
See this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmE-qUXfBhQ then answer.
Can you please clarify JIs position;
1) On the remarks of Munawwar Hassan that Talibans govet. was the only best govt. in the islamic world.
I assume that JI did not support Talibans at the creation but now when Talibans are seeing clearly against Pakistani state he is supporting them hence working against the state.
2) Why alqaeeeda guys caught up from the home of JI lady nazimas?
And please for your \"kala bawaseeri\" i never heared about this desease.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-fxQCTpTJg&fe…
Another gift for you Dr.Jawwad.
"Why alqaeeeda guys caught up from the home of JI lady nazimas"
that was an isolated incident.jamat e islami never ever supported an armed struggle and always advised by higher leadership not to indulge in an activity which could be labelled as antistate.
there could be many explainations for this.may be some one in ji developed a sympathy or he/she didn't know the identity of alquida member or some thing else….
this can be happen in any family which have religious tendencies.
JI was never accused of harboring of alquida members not by pakistan govt,afghan govt and not even by america.
yes there is a support for taliban in JI but this is a new trend may be developed as a reaction of intense propaganda against islam in the guise of criticism over "bruitalities" of taliban.
inspite of dissenting opinions about the interpretation of islam,JI thinks that taliban in afghanistan did a great job.
unfortunately you can not see beyond the images of executions and taliban's strict application of moral and ethical codes.
limited support for the taliban is a quite new phenomenon in JI.i believe that JI see's taliban as a force which can bring changes in the disintegrating and decomposing society of pakistan.
"kala bawaseeir" is extremely debilitating disease of society also known as "altaf hussain" almaroof peer(dabba) saab.
By the way Jawwad you are contradicting your own words. First you said:
"jamat e islami never ever supported an armed struggle and always advised by higher leadership not to indulge in an activity which could be labelled as antistate"
then you said "limited support for the taliban is a quite new phenomenon in JI.i believe that JI see’s taliban as a force which can bring changes in the disintegrating and decomposing society of pakistan."
Friend for your information Talebaan is an armed force and if you say support is developed then you are contradicting your first statement.
Jawwad: that was an isolated incident.
– If that was an isolated incident then 12th May was also an isolated incident.
Jawwad:jamat e islami never ever supported an armed struggle and always advised by higher leadership not to indulge in an activity which could be labelled as antistate.
– I remember jamiat songs like \”Hum Qaul-e-Rasool Aur Qawl Allah Dunya Ko Suna Kar Dam Laingay, Phir Hum Dilli Kay Lal Qilay Main Jashn Mana Kar Dam Laingay\” and some recent songs like \”Qazi Qazi Zindabaad Hind Ko Ker Berbad ,Lal Qilay per Percham Lehrana ,Serhad paarr jain gay kalashenkov lain gay\” what all these for?
And one should not forget from 88 JI not only recruited but also send his guys to Kashmir for Jihad purpose. I still remember the \”Ghaibana Nimaz-e-Janaza\” of a Jamaati guy 11 years back in Alnoor society, Karachi who was killed by indian forces in Kashmir.
Term everything as an isolated incident….what did IJT do with Imran Khan last year. They did not kidnapped in Panjab University by saying \”Sir hamaray saath chalain\” they were armed as Imran Khan stated after being freed. Conclusion: You are lying for the sake of JI.
Jawwad: there could be many explainations for this.may be some one in ji developed a sympathy or he/she didn’t know the identity of alquida member or some thing else…
– We are seeking facts not the \”explainations\” or excuses. If she did not know the identity then how could she allowed him in her home. You being a man will definitely not allow someone in your home and she was a women how could she, will she allow you or me at her home? Conclusion: Lame excuses.
Jawwad: this can be happen in any family which have religious tendencies.
– You mean to say that support to Alqaeeda is done by the people having religious/islamic tendencies. You are defaming Islam. Islam has nothing to do with Talebun/ Alqaeeda. They misused Islam.
Jawwad: JI was never accused of harboring of alquida members not by pakistan govt,afghan govt and not even by america.
– Are you waiting for Afghan and American govts for the accusation? Stick to the fact.
Jawwad: yes there is a support for taliban in JI but this is a new trend may be developed as a reaction of intense propaganda against islam in the guise of criticism over “bruitalities” of taliban.inspite of dissenting opinions about the interpretation of islam,JI thinks that taliban in afghanistan did a great job
– A great job?? Closing universities and schools a great job? Slaughtering non pashtun a great job? Tabooing sheas a great job? Mulla Niazi of Taliban killed 8000 Hazara sheas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazara_people read \”Soviet invasion to the Taliban era\” heading) was that a GREAT JOB??? holding Hazara members for the hold day upside down on the main bazaars of Kabul for the whole day …A great Job?? Jawwad your answer required.
Jawwad: unfortunately you can not see beyond the images of executions and taliban’s strict application of moral and ethical codes.
– Please tell us about the \”beyond\” images you can see. A must required answer.
Jawwad: limited support for the taliban is a quite new phenomenon in JI.i believe that JI see’s taliban as a force which can bring changes in the disintegrating and decomposing society of pakistan.
– Uff….JI beleives in the people who call Pakistans constitution as Kufr book. Who term Supreme court as idol sphere….. This is against Pakistan.
TeethMaestro you deleted my comment, why? Because i wrote Naz dawakhana stuff….you should also delete dr.jawwads comment of same nature.
And I forget to mention the latest incident of IJT putting up guns over some protesting students at University of Karachi, who were protesting against the death of a female Nedian. And you are saying JI prohibits guns….?????
Comment by Ali on April 23, 2009 @ 11:39 am
even JI has strong relationship with them we all see that some of the Al.qeda man were arrested from the house of the JI Nazim and naib Nazim in Karachi and Rawalpindi.
Comment by dr.jawwadkhan on April 23, 2009 @ 12:29 pm
what about “BE QUIDA” ? they have strong relation with indian raw and cia.
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I wonder who is lying in the news article mentioned below:
Osama offered to buy votes for Nawaz: Qazi
http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/19/top10.htm
ISLAMABAD, March 18: Jamaat-i-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed has revealed that Osama bin Laden had offered to buy loyalties of legislators to see Mian Nawaz Sharif as prime minister. In an interview appearing in the magazine of an Urdu newspaper on Sunday, Qazi Hussain Ahmed said that Osama had visited the JI headquarters Mansoora and wanted to strike an agreement with the Jamaat but the suggestion was declined by him. Excerpts of the interview were published by the newspaper on Saturday. Qazi said he had met Osama several times in the past.
However, the JI on Saturday clarified that meetings between the JI amir and Osama in Peshawar and Lahore were held in days when the Al Qaeda leader was staying in Peshawar. Recalling political events that took place when Mr Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League and JI were components of the then Islami Jamhoori Ittehad, Qazi said Osama was a big supporter of IJI and Nawaz Sharif and wanted to see him Pakistan’s prime minister.
“Bin Laden was prepared to pay for buying parliamentarians’ votes to achieve this objective,” said Qazi Hussain Ahmed, who also heads the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal. He said a delegation sent by Osama had visited him in Peshawar and conveyed that they wanted cooperation from JI but “we declined the request”. In a statement issued on Saturday, a JI spokesman said that excerpts from interview were published in the daily and presented on a private TV channel in such a manner that they were creating confusion in the minds of people.—PPI
http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/19/top10.htm
Pakistan turns on itself By Syed Saleem Shahzad
South Asia Aug 19, 2004
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FH19Df05….
The MMA is an alliance of six religious parties that gained unprecedented electoral victories in national elections in 2002. One of its members is the leader of the opposition in the Lower House, while the MMA controls the provincial government in North West Frontier Province. It also forms part of a coalition government in Balochistan province. The MMA has 67 seats in the 342-seat National Assembly, with just under a third of them held by the JI.
Asia Times Online predicted that the JI would be targeted (Jihadi's arrest a small step for Pakistan , Aug 10) and now contacts confirm that moves have already started against associates of the JI in its strongest political constituency, Karachi. The next phase will most likely be in Rawalpindi and southern Punjab. Several close affiliates are believed to have been arrested by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) without charges being laid against them.
The JI's leader, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, subsequently denied that his party had any links with al-Qaeda or other militant organizations. "We do not believe in violence," Qazi said. He criticized the government for making such accusations, saying it was taking directions from the US.
Jihadi's arrest a small step for Pakistan By Syed Saleem Shahzad Aug 10, 2004
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FH10Df05….
KARACHI – The extradition of jihadi leader Qari Saifullah Akhtar from Dubai in the United Arab Emirates to Pakistan clearly indicates that Islamabad has finally succumbed to US pressure to turn its guns against al-Qaeda and Taliban connections in Pakistan.
Akhtar, arrested on Friday night in Dubai and taken to Pakistan on Saturday morning, is the head of the banned Harkat Jihad-i-Islami al-Alami and a close aide of Osama bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar. He has been linked to failed assassination attempts against President General Pervez Musharraf, the Corps Commander Karachi, as well as the recent attack on Pakistani Premier-designate Shaukat Aziz.
According to security sources, Pakistan learned about Akhtar's whereabouts from a militant they recently apprehended in Karachi. Akhtar was said to be with Mullah Omar when US forces invaded Afghanistan in late 2001. He escaped from Kandahar and went to Saudi Arabia, from where he made his way to Dubai.
More such arrests are now expected. Indeed, Maulana Fazlur Rehman Khalil, the head of the banned militant organization Jamiatul Ansar, has also been arrested. Khalil is the only Pakistani jihadi known to have been very close to bin Laden, who funded Khalil to hold seminars in Pakistan in favor of jihad in the late 1990s. However, amid reports that some of this money was embezzled, the relationship cooled. Some sources in Islamabad maintain that Khalil has been in Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) protective custody for some time on the instructions of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation.
“Jawwad: that was an isolated incident.
– If that was an isolated incident then 12th May was also an isolated incident.”
No. it was not a isolated one because the whole Karachi was paralyzed and it can not be done by one man. 12th may massacre was very well planned. How it can be isolated?
“I remember jamiat songs like \”Hum Qaul-e-Rasool Aur Qawl Allah Dunya…..”
There is a great difference between the armed struggle against our own fellow muslims and jihad. Yes jihad is a hallmark of JI and I am very proud to say that jamat e islami supported and promoted the afghan jihad by every and all possible means.
Regarding imran khan incident, it was really unfortunate and no doubt caused a big embarrassment. There fore stern actions were taken against those who were responsible.
“A great job?? Closing universities and schools a great job?”
Not universities just girls school. You have a luxury to sit in your comfortable house and criticize by just moving your fingers on the keyboard. Ask the People who live there about their problems. The no 1 killer after Soviet Union’s departure was the lawlessness, warlords and height of the crimes. The crimes you can not even imagine. That is why you are using the second hand allegations came from the west. Taliban provided the security and stability to the country. They eradicated the poppy culture. They brought peace, justice, law and order to the war devastated area.
“Slaughtering non pashtun a great job? Tabooing sheas a great job”
What do you do with Slaughtering non pashtun a great job? Tabooing sheas a great job?
My question is what do you do with rebels? What do you want to do with Taliban?
Taliban killed those who challenged their authority. The hazara tribes supported the corrupt northern alliance by every mean possible in spite of frequent warnings and result ….. please do not involve sectarian hatred in this discussion. The sunni ulema in iran faced the same use of force in spite of being remained peaceful. Would you condemn those atrocities? in Tehran there is no single sunni mosque. How can you justify that?
Uff….JI beleives in the people who call Pakistans constitution as Kufr book. Who term Supreme court as idol sphere….. This is against Pakistan.
I said “limited support”. And limited support applies on such extreme views. JI doesn’t agree with this notion. This is the hyperemotional state of the Taliban because they are fighting now. When the fight will over and they run the country I am sure they will rethink and amend their many beliefs. Again I want to remind you that immediately after the “ shia revolution” in iran the pasdaran e inqilab shot any women who they see not properly covered…..but things are different now. Lets give the Taliban some time to reevaluate themselves.
Shame on Qazi contradicting his own statements and moves. Shame on Qazi lying under Islamic cloak. Shame on JI dragging Islam in the mud!!!!
Dear Dr. Jawwad Bawasiri,
I would like you to answer all the questions I extract from your very own comments, so that I may be able to be convinced at your point of view. Else simply send a comment that your are failed, your silence will also be considered as your failure i.e. the points you put forward are wrong.
One more thing I would like you to produce a reference of Altaf Hussain's relation with Indian raaw.
Dear Amir,
I like your posts and specially the references you readily put forward.
Dear Amir, I like your posts and specially the references you readily put forward.[Ali]
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Dear Ali Sahab,
The Tragedy is this that Syed Saleem Shahzad of http://www.atimes.com was and IJT Activist.
hahahahahaahaha.
out of arguments?
what a freaky world is this!
a grave demolisher standing side by side of horse worshiper not because of vested interest but because of their prejudice and biased mentality.
Hi Amir.
I would like to continously visit your blog. But some stuff there needs betterment like black background is usually becomes irritating while reading. Secondly displaying the full length story at once on the main page is not a good idea since if a story is not attracting my attention so I can easily move onto the previuos post. 3rdly May be my screen resolution is not synchronized with the version you are displaying but rest of the blogs i find visible perfectly…with no loss of side spaces.
Please give highest priority to first and second suggestions of mine so that happily visit your hanger.
One more thing commnets box should appear on the very space below the post so that user easily access it and shouold allow anonymous commnets i and many users definitley would not like to enter their gmail accounts.
Regards and Best of Luck.
Ali
JB(Jawwad Bawasiri): what a freaky world is this!
– In Urdu we call it "khisyani billi khamba nochay"
Dear Dr. Jawwad Bawasiri,
Answer the questions I put forward for you rather than commenting upon your sheer failure as a consequence of OUR valid proves.
Amir, thanks again for your support.
Dr. Jawwad Bawasiri,
Let me help you remind my questions again, here we go:
awwad: that was an isolated incident.
– If that was an isolated incident then 12th May was also an isolated incident.
Jawwad:jamat e islami never ever supported an armed struggle and always advised by higher leadership not to indulge in an activity which could be labelled as antistate.
– I remember jamiat songs like \\”Hum Qaul-e-Rasool Aur Qawl Allah Dunya Ko Suna Kar Dam Laingay, Phir Hum Dilli Kay Lal Qilay Main Jashn Mana Kar Dam Laingay\\” and some recent songs like \\”Qazi Qazi Zindabaad Hind Ko Ker Berbad ,Lal Qilay per Percham Lehrana ,Serhad paarr jain gay kalashenkov lain gay\\” what all these for?
And one should not forget from 88 JI not only recruited but also send his guys to Kashmir for Jihad purpose. I still remember the \\”Ghaibana Nimaz-e-Janaza\\” of a Jamaati guy 11 years back in Alnoor society, Karachi who was killed by indian forces in Kashmir.
Term everything as an isolated incident….what did IJT do with Imran Khan last year. They did not kidnapped in Panjab University by saying \\”Sir hamaray saath chalain\\” they were armed as Imran Khan stated after being freed. Conclusion: You are lying for the sake of JI.
Jawwad: there could be many explainations for this.may be some one in ji developed a sympathy or he/she didn’t know the identity of alquida member or some thing else…
– We are seeking facts not the \\”explainations\\” or excuses. If she did not know the identity then how could she allowed him in her home. You being a man will definitely not allow someone in your home and she was a women how could she, will she allow you or me at her home? Conclusion: Lame excuses.
Jawwad: this can be happen in any family which have religious tendencies.
– You mean to say that support to Alqaeeda is done by the people having religious/islamic tendencies. You are defaming Islam. Islam has nothing to do with Talebun/ Alqaeeda. They misused Islam.
Jawwad: JI was never accused of harboring of alquida members not by pakistan govt,afghan govt and not even by america.
– Are you waiting for Afghan and American govts for the accusation? Stick to the fact.
Jawwad: yes there is a support for taliban in JI but this is a new trend may be developed as a reaction of intense propaganda against islam in the guise of criticism over “bruitalities” of taliban.inspite of dissenting opinions about the interpretation of islam,JI thinks that taliban in afghanistan did a great job
– A great job?? Closing universities and schools a great job? Slaughtering non pashtun a great job? Tabooing sheas a great job? Mulla Niazi of Taliban killed 8000 Hazara sheas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazara_people read \\”Soviet invasion to the Taliban era\\” heading) was that a GREAT JOB??? holding Hazara members for the hold day upside down on the main bazaars of Kabul for the whole day …A great Job?? Jawwad your answer required.
Jawwad: unfortunately you can not see beyond the images of executions and taliban’s strict application of moral and ethical codes.
– Please tell us about the \\”beyond\\” images you can see. A must required answer.
Jawwad: limited support for the taliban is a quite new phenomenon in JI.i believe that JI see’s taliban as a force which can bring changes in the disintegrating and decomposing society of pakistan.
– Uff….JI beleives in the people who call Pakistans constitution as Kufr book. Who term Supreme court as idol sphere….. This is against Pakistan.
@ALI!
now you are behaving like a child who is born because of "muta'a"
i can not answer your obnoxious behaviour in this forum but if you give me your home address i can send my answer.
khayal se! khotay ke ….. kahen marney se pehley "guz" na chal parhen!
hahhahahhahaha
Dear Amir,
How do you deal with animals like jawwad?
Guys,
See, such are people who wear Islamic Cloak then beat the drum of Shahriah then after getting the reign started to execute their own will and satisfy their own psycho of reigning. The thing is, one should not utilise Islam for the sake of self objectives.
Jawwad,
You seemed to me a Misyar born child, or born as a result of some Alqaeeeda member's stay at some JI woman home. having bawasir(guys please see previous posts) by birth.
yes guys please read all the comments from:
Comment by Ali on April 23, 2009 @ 11:39 am
till my comments:
Comment by dr.jawwad khan on April 24, 2009 @ 12:29 pm
and immdeiately after my comments this mutaa born child started abusing me whcih i didn't and in stead of serious
discussion.
like a leader (kala bawaseeri) like a supporter (muta'awi)
Dear Amir,
How do you deal with animals like jawwad? [Ali]
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Dear Ali,
Turning your other cheek for slap is the best way to converse with My Dear Friend Jawwad Sahab!
Some Words on Manners:
Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah’s Messenger said, “Richness is not in plenty of provisions; the (real) richness is the richness of the soul.” (Bukhari and Muslim)
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr bin Al-‘As: A man asked Allah’s Messenger, “Which act in Islam is the best?” He replied, “To feed (the poor and the needy) and to salute everyone, whether you are acquainted with them or not.” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
Narrated Abud-Darda: Allah’s Messenger said, “The heaviest thing to be placed in the balance of a believing slave on the Day of Judgement will be good behaviour.” (At-Tirmidhi)
Narrated Harithah bin Wahab: Allah’s Messenger said, “Shall I not inform you about the inmates of Hell? It is every violent, impertinent and proud person.” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
There is nothing heavier in the scales than good character. (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal)
The most perfect believer in respect of faith is he who is best of them in manners. (Sunan Abu Dawud)
I was sent to perfect good character. (Malik's Muwatta)
Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah’s Messenger said, “Wealth is not diminished by giving (in charity). Allah augments the honour of one who forgives; and one who displays humility towards another seeking the Pleasure of Allah, Allah exalts him in ranks.” (Muslim)
You possess two qualities that Allah loves. These are clemency and tolerance. (Muslim)
Every act of kindness is a charity. (Bukhari)
Narrated Jarir bin ‘Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger said, “He who is deprived of kindness and gentleness is, in fact, deprived of all good .” (Muslim)
Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “Make things easy and do not make them difficult, cheer the people up by conveying glad tidings to them and do not repulse (them).” (Bukhari and Muslim)
Narrated ‘Aishah: Allah’s Messenger said, “Allah is Kind and He loves kindness, and confers upon kindness which He does not confer upon severity, and does not confer upon any thing besides it (kindness).” (Muslim)
Narrated Abud-Darda: Allah’s Messenger said, “The heaviest thing to be placed in the balance of a believing slave on the Day of Judgement will be good behaviour.” (At-Tirmidhi)
"Turning your other cheek for slap is the best way to converse with My Dear Friend Jawwad Sahab!"
NO! just do not abuse dr jawwad khan. this is the best way.
yes true.good behaviour is a great thing.
also there are clear aayat & ahaidth e mubarika about:
1)SLANDERS
2)DEFAMING WELL KNOWN AND WELL RESPECTED DIGNITARIES
3)ATTRIBUTING A LIE TO NABI E KARIM
also there are clear aayat & ahaidth e mubarika about:
1)SLANDERS
2)DEFAMING WELL KNOWN AND WELL RESPECTED DIGNITARIES
3)ATTRIBUTING A LIE TO NABI E KARIM
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
1 – When did I attribute lie toward Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]?
Prove it.
2 – Slander!
I just quoted Deobandi and other Mullahs on Mawdudi.
3 – DEFAMING WELL KNOWN AND WELL RESPECTED DIGNITARIES
Please give reference of Quran and Hadith that the so-called Great Dignitaries [Read Mawdudi/Khomeini and other Mullahs] and their false ideologies cannot be criticised.
Dignitaries in Islam which cannot be criticised as per the Hadiths of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] are as under:
Zahdam ibn Mudrab narrated: I heard 'Imraan ibn Husayn saying: The Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said:
((The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them, and then those coming after (the second generation).)), [Saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 3/219]
'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (radhi-yallaahu 'anhu) narrated: The Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said:
((The people of my generation are the best, then those who follow them, and then those who follow the latter)), [Saheeh al-Bukhaaree, 3/820]
'Aa.ishah (radhi-yallaahu 'anhaa) narrated that: A person asked Allaah's Apostle (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) as to who amongst the people were the best. He said:
((Of the generation to which I belong, then of the second generation (generation adjacent to my generation), then of the third generation (generation adjacent to the second generation).)), [Saheeh Muslim 6159]
and Mawdudi and other Mullahs were not in the list above and if that was not enough Mawdudi and his brother Khomeini in their filthy books didn't even spare those so why shouldn't we criticise Mawdudi and his brother Khomeini????
Comment by dr.jawwad khan on April 24, 2009 @ 5:00 pm
@ALI! now you are behaving like a child who is born because of “muta’a”
Comment by Ali on April 24, 2009 @ 5:23 pm
Jawwad,
You seemed to me a Misyar born child, or born as a result of some Alqaeeeda member’s stay at some JI woman home.
Comment by dr.jawwad khan on April 24, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
NO! just do not abuse dr jawwad khan. this is the best way.
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Dear Friends,
This altercation is your personal matter but now you both
dragged each other Respected Parents into this without bothering about this:
'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Al-'as (May Allah be pleased with them) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "It is one of the gravest sins to abuse one's parents.'' It was asked (by the people): "O Messenger of Allah, can a man abuse his own parents?'' Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "He abuses the father of somebody who, in return, abuses the former's father; he then abuses the mother of somebody who, in return, abuses his mother". [Bukhari and Muslim].
sorry! i forgot 2 more things
4) dhitaee.
i don't know if there is any hadith or not about dhitaee
sorry! i forgot 2 more things 4) dhitaee. i don’t know if there is any hadith or not about dhitaee [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
No Sir, you must've remembered as per your own claim, your own comment:
"QUOTE"
Comment by dr.jawwadkhan on April 3, 2009 @ 11:49 pm
@amir mughal!
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/04/03/women-being-p…
please always read the post before boasting yourself as all knower.i have already read the sahee bukharee thrice along with all saahe sitta.first time i read the sahee bukharee when i was 13 years old just for curosity. read again what i wrote.
"UNQUOTE"
LIE ATTRIBUTING TOWARDS RASOOLULLAH(SAWW) & SLANDER AGAINST MOLANA MODUDI
so i have to remind you once again.i though after conversation in "shaheed or halak-ghazi abdul rasheed" you will stop the copy/paste the quran and ahdith.
but you are an impossible case.
may be these refrences could refresh your memory.
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/07/12/shaheed-or-ha…
FROM:
Comment by Aamir Mughal on April 12, 2009 @ 6:47 pm
TILL:
Comment by dr.jawwadkhan on April 15, 2009 @ 4:10 pm
COMMENTS OF MR AMIR MUGHAL
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/04/03/women-being-p…
I have History by Tabari, Tabaqat-e-Ibn-Saad, History by Ibn Khalqan, History by Ibn Khaldun, History by Ibn Kathir – Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya, History of Sahaba by Ibn Athir in my personal Library
(Comment by Aamir Mughal on April 4, 2009 @ 8:12 pm )
But I also have these books
1 – A Great Collection of Fabricated Traditions (Arabic: Al-Mawdu’at al-Kubrah) by ibn Al-Jawzi, 2 – Mauzuaat-e-Kabeer by Mulla Ali ibn Sultan al-Qari, 3 – Saheeh al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer and Da’eef al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, both by Shaykh al-Albaani, 4 – Irwa’ al-Ghaleel fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth Manaar al-Sabeel, also by al-Albaani, 5 – Al-Talkhees al-Habeer fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Raafa’i al-Kabeer, by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar al-‘Aqsallaani, 6 – Nasab al-Raayah fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Hidaayah by Haafiz al-Zayla’i, 7 – Tuhfat al-Ashraaf bi Ma’rifat al-Atraaf by al-Haafiz al-Mazzi, 8 – Great Indian Scholar Muhammad Tahir Patni books e.g. “Tadhkirrah al-Mawdoo’aat Wal-Dhu’afaahas
through which the Bio-Data and Authenticity of Narrators can be checked e.g Majority of Narrators [untrustworth, liars, fabricators and blasphemer] which Mawdudi have quoted in his so-called Magnum Opus – Khilafat O Malookiyat are as under:
1 – Abu Mikhnaf.
2 – Suddi.
3 – Hishma Kalbi.
4 – Muhammad Bin Hisam Kalbi.
5 – Umer Waqidi.
They have been declared known Liars and Blasphemers in the books abov
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in spite having such a big library and not producing a single rebuttal of molana syed abul aala modudi?
strange isn't it?
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/07/12/shaheed-or-ha…
FIRST YOU SAID:
Comment by Aamir Mughal on April 12, 2009 @ 6:47 pm
"Red Color for Mosque is Haram [Unlawful] and these IGNORANTS KHARIJITES named their mosuqe Red Mosque
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mosques-…
THEN YOU SAID:
Comment by Aamir Mughal on April 12, 2009 @ 7:03 pm
Dear Sir,
‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra), when ordering mosques to be built, would say: “Protect people from the rain. Beware of red and yellow decorations for they distract people (When offering their prayers)” [Bukhari].
Which part of beware is not clear???? I have been to Saudi Arabia and I have travelled by road and from UAE TO MAKKAH AND MEDINA VIA Riyad, Hufoof, Quseem, Buraida, Yanbo, Taif , Jeddah and never saw any Red Mosque
AFTER REALIZING THE BLUFF WILL NOT WORK YOU CHANGED YOUR POSITION AND STARTED SAYING
Comment by Aamir Mughal on April 14, 2009 @ 12:32 am
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
You are wrong because I have already given the reference of Hadith and by the way following the Companions [May Allah be pleased with all of them] is following Prophet
i have never seen such a play with AHADITH E MUBARIKA in my whole life.instead of repenting and being pentinent you didn't stop the copy paste stuff.
QUOTE:
"Dear Jawwad Sahab,When did I attribute lie toward Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]?Prove it.
QUOTE:
its a chat forum EVERY THING RECORDS HERE
in spite having such a big library and not producing a single rebuttal of molana syed abul aala modudi? strange isn’t it? [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Khan Sahab,
I have quoted your favourite Deobandi Scholars on Mawdudi:
Let me repeat again through your comment:
Ulema e deo band did a great job for islam.please do not redicule them on the basis of wrong doing of few illiterate fanatics. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/04/03/women-being-p…
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
There is book written “Khilafat wa Malookiyat Ki Tareekhi Aur Shariee Haisiyat [Authenticity and Relity of Caliphat and Kingdom by Mawdudui] by Hafiz Salahuddin Yousuf [Editor of Weekly Eitisaam, Lahore Pakistan , he is a Salafi Scholar and if you get that book then please note that in preface following Deobandi and even Barelvi Scholar praised the above book on the refutation ofr Mawdudi's Deviant and Blasphemic Beliefs regarding the Companions of Prophet Mohammad. You have already praised Deobandi Mullahs in one of your mail and following Mullahs [not ordinary Jahil Taliban] praised the book:
1 – Mufti Muhammad Shafi Usmani [Deobandi]
2 – Justice Taqi Usmani [Deobandi]
3 – Maulana Ziauddin Islahi [Daar ul Musanifeen Azam Garh India]
4 – Maulana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi [Binnori Town – Deobandi]
5 – Maulana Ghulamullah Khan [Rawalpindi – Deobandi]
6 – Dr Israr Ahmed [Former Deputy of Mawdudi]
7 – Maulana Amee Ahsan Islahi [Former number 2 of Mawdudi]
8 – Agha Shoorish Kashmiri [Noted Scholar and Journalist]
9 – Maulana Manzoor Naimani [One of the founder of Jamat-e-Islami and Deobandi scholar and also refuted Mawdudi in his book on Islamic Revolution of Iran]
10 – Safi ur Rahman Mubarakpuri [Author of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH's biography Ar Raheeq Al Makhtoom and he is an Indian Scholar and a Salafi]
11 – Yousuf Saleem Chishti [Deobandi Sufi Scholar]
12 – Maulana Abul Hasan Nadvi [Former Head of Darul Ulomm Deoband and Member Board of Medina University Saudi Arabia]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I have Tafheemat and Khilafat o Malookiyat and books [Tabari, Tabaqat-e-Ibn-Saad, History by Ibn Khalqan, History by Ibn Khaldun, History by Ibn Kathir – Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya, History of Sahaba by Ibn Athir in my personal Library] through which Mawdudi concocted Tabbara [Read Khilafat o Malookiyat] on the Companions of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] in the name of History.
But I also have these books
1 – A Great Collection of Fabricated Traditions (Arabic: Al-Mawdu’at al-Kubrah) by ibn Al-Jawzi, 2 – Mauzuaat-e-Kabeer by Mulla Ali ibn Sultan al-Qari, 3 – Saheeh al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer and Da’eef al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, both by Shaykh al-Albaani, 4 – Irwa’ al-Ghaleel fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth Manaar al-Sabeel, also by al-Albaani, 5 – Al-Talkhees al-Habeer fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Raafa’i al-Kabeer, by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar al-‘Aqsallaani, 6 – Nasab al-Raayah fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Hidaayah by Haafiz al-Zayla’i, 7 – Tuhfat al-Ashraaf bi Ma’rifat al-Atraaf by al-Haafiz al-Mazzi, 8 – Great Indian Scholar Muhammad Tahir Patni books e.g. “Tadhkirrah al-Mawdoo’aat Wal-Dhu’afaahas
through which the Bio-Data and Authenticity of Narrators can be checked e.g Majority of Narrators [untrustworth, liars, fabricators and blasphemer] which Mawdudi have quoted in his so-called Magnum Opus – Khilafat O Malookiyat are as under:
1 – Abu Mikhnaf.
2 – Suddi.
3 – Hishma Kalbi.
4 – Muhammad Bin Hisham Kalbi.
5 – Umer Waqidi.
They have been declared known Liars and Blasphemers in the books above.
even though some of deo bandi ulema tried to smear a great scholar, a mujtahid and reformer, i have a respect for ulema e deoband. because they have a very out standing role in the history of sub continent. [dr.jawwad khan]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
These are not some Deobandi Ulema:
1 – Maulana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi – Binnori Town refuted Mawdudi.
2 – Mawlana Yousuf Binnori – Founder of Binnori Town refuted Mawdudi
3 – Mawlana Abdul Majid Daryabadi pupil of Ashraf Ali Thanwi refuted Mawdudi.
You say you didn’t find any Blasphemic references in Mawdudi’s Tafheemat, I say go and get some books written by the above Deobandi Maulvis against Mawdudi because these Deobandi Maulvis have provided the References of that particular edition of Tafheemat wherein Mawdudi Calamity committed Blashphemy. In another thread you were very critical on Shia Community by the way Khomeini and Shia Scholars quoted Mawdudi on Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with both of them]. If you dont believe me then you can check yourself.
Regarding Racial Pride and my Blog’ name:
Dear Jawwad Sahab kindly solve this mystrey of Polytheistic Name of Mawdudi.
Courtesy Dr Shabbir Ahmed
Before presenting some glimpses of the famous Mullah Maududi’s wisdom and knowledge, let us reflect on his full name and title, Maulana Syed Abul A’la Maududi. The name translates as: “Our Master, Owner, the Father of the Most Glorious, Maududi”. It is strange that the man claiming to be a great Islamic scholar lived 76 odd years with this name. Does it need much insight to see that the very name is shrieking outright divinity and Shirk? According to the Quran, Maulana (our Master) is none but Allah (9:51). And, obviously, Al-A’la (the Most Glorious) can be none but God.
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Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra), when ordering mosques to be built, would say: “Protect people from the rain. Beware of red and yellow decorations for they distract people (When offering their prayers)” [Bukhari].
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Following the Companions of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and when Omar [May Allah be pleased with him] disliked Red and Saffron color for Mosque then the command is to be followed in letter and spirit.
By the way there is an Imam Bargah in Malir Karachi by the name of Lal Masjid near Police Chowki Saudabad.
Regards
"jawab e jahilan khamshi bashud"
"jawab e jahilan khamshi bashud” [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I agree with you that I am a Jahil [Illiterate and Ignorant]
but, Dear Sir, the Persian Proverb which you have written above is not written correct.