You Asked for it Col. Harish Puri!

This is in reference to the article of Colonel Harish Puri – “An Open Letter to Gen Kayani

india-pakistan1A majority of Indian authors including this Col (R) Harish Puri, are always keen to convey their loaded messages from across the border with laden sarcasm. Indian writers have a convincing way to convey the message in a very subtle manner which appeals to the sensibilities of the liberal class and pro-Indian segment in Pakistan and hence cook stories quite well to defame Pakistan internationally.

Even here how tactfully he incited the sentiments of people of Bangladesh by blaming that Bengalis were never considered as Pakistanis and he makes a fake story of how Pak army had inflicted immense atrocities on the Bengalis without any remorse or inhibitions. Pardon me… but what happened in 71 is a published and established fact now. What was done by the Indian army is revealed to the world… Even the best army under best General would not have done any better at that time. The catastrophe was a foregone conclusion since it was an international conspiracy to detach East Pakistan from the rest of Pakistan.

Indians are real masters when it comes to false propaganda or cook stories. This article gives an absolute idea of how astounded and disgusted the Indians are feeling after seeing their sinister scheme of pitching Pak army against its own people failed which they had successfully implemented in former East Pakistan in 1971 (where it had worked strenuously in creating bad blood between the Bengalis and West Pakistanis) and today, is keen to repeat the same story to dismember Pakistan.

India has been investing heavily in stoking insurgencies in Balochistan, FATA and Swat and is now eager to reap the harvest it had been sowing since 2002. And the peace deals in Swat and Bajaur have actually disillusioned them having tried various means to disrupt peace.

In desperation the said video clip of flogging was flashed and drum beaten all over the world by their some friends (if not them – I wonder) so much so that our friend colonel also got affected and is shedding tears of sympathy. This letter was initiated after the so-called victim Chand Bibi poured cold water on the sinister designs of vested groups by stating that she wasn’t flogged.

Despite her statement and that of the Swat Taliban, Commissioner Malakand and Chief Minister NWFP stating that no such incident took place in Swat and it was a fake video, the mischievous people are not appeased. They have no love for Chand Bibi but their sole interest is to get the peace deal derailed and to discredit Islam and Taliban.

The sole purpose of this piece of writing is to stimulate the liberal brigade within Pakistan, tarnish the image of the army and overturn Swat peace deal which would never happen Mr. Col…. Not before dismemberment of India at least where dozens of liberation movements and insurgencies are creating havoc. Just try and do something for your own country if you really want to save the region than tittle-tattle about some fantasy of degrading Pak Army or Pakistan.


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  1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Pardon me… but what happened in 71 is a published and established fact now. What was done by the Indian army is revealed to the world [Ishaal Zehra]

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    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Are you missing somethin here? Where it was published? please quote the source!!! I hope you have read Humood ur Rehman Commission Report [it is no more a secret and published in Pakistani newspapers in 2000]. Let us not forget our own mistakes.

    Chapter 1

    The Moral Aspect

    Introductory

    In Chapter I of Part V of the Main Report, we have dealt at some length with the moral aspect of the causes of our defeat in the 1971 War. This became necessary in view of the vehement assertions made before the Commission by a large number of respectable witnesses drawn from various sections of society, including highly placed and responsible Service Officers, to the effect that due to corruption arising out of the performance of Martial Law duties, lust for wine and women and greed for lands and houses, a large number of senior Army Officers, particularly those occupying the highest positions, had not only lost the will to fight but also the professional competence necessary for taking the vital and critical decisions demanded of them for the successful prosecution of the war. It was asserted by these witnesses that men given to a disreputable way of life could hardly be expected to lead the Pakistan Army to victory.

    2. After analysing the evidence brought before the Commission, we came to the conclusion that the process of moral degeneration among the senior ranks of the Armed Forces was set in motion by their involvement in Martial Law duties in 1958, that these tendencies reappeared and were, in fact, intensified when Martial Law was imposed in the country once again in March 1969 by General Yahya Khan, and that there was indeed substance in the allegations that a considerable number of senior Army Officers had not only indulged in large scale acquisition of lands and houses and other commercial activities, but had also adopted highly immoral and licentious ways of life which seriously affected their professional capabilities and their qualities of leadership.

    3. We then offered specific comments on the conduct of certain high officers including the Commander, Eastern Command, Lt. Gen A.A.K. Niazi. However, we observed, in Paragraph 35 of that Chapter, that "as we have not had the opportunity of putting these allegations to Lt. Gen. A.A.K. Niazi any finding in this behalf must await his return from India where he is at present held as a prisoner of war". We have now examined not only Lt. Gen. Niazi but certain other witnesses as well in relation to his personal conduct, and the general allegations made against the Pakistan Army during its operations in the former East Pakistan, and are accordingly in a position to formulate our final conclusions in the matter.

    Effect of Martial Law Duties

    4. In the situation that developed after the military action of the 25th of March 1971, the civil

    administration in East Pakistan practically came to a standstill, and the burden of running the Province fell heavily upon the Army Officers. Their involvement in civil administration continued unabated even after the induction of a sizable number of senior civil servants from West Pakistan, including the Chief Secretary, the Inspector General of Police and at least two Division Commissioners.

    5. According to the Inspector General of Police, Mr. M.A.K Chaudhry (Witness No. 219), "after the disturbances of March-April 1971, there was a Military Governor with a Major General as his adviser at the head of the civil administration. There was a parallel Martial Law administration at all levels. All wings of administration, relating to law and order were under the control of Martial Law Authorities. A West Pakistan Deputy Inspector General of Police in the field was not permitted by the local Martial Law Authorities to come to the Provincial Headquarters" for a conference with the Inspector General of Police. In the view of Syed Alamdar Raza (Witness No. 226), Commissioner of Dacca Division, "efforts were made to make civilian officers responsible or at least routine matters within the general supervision and control of the Army Officers, but no substantial results could be achieved. Those Bengali Officers who had been restored lacked confidence and were not sure if their loyalties were not suspected. Action was taken against them, even their arrests were ordered without any body knowing about it, including their superiors or the Government of East Pakistan."

    The Report PDF version

    Introduction

    Annexure

    download

    http://www.bangla2000.com/Bangladesh/Independence… Rahman/default.shtm

  2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Pardon me… but what happened in 71 is a published and established fact now. What was done by the Indian army is revealed to the world [Ishaal Zehra]

    ========================

    Let us not forget our own mistakes.

    Please show us were is India and RAW in the massacre mentioned below. Excerpts are from a book written by Major General Major General Aboobaker Osman Mitha usually shortened to A.O. Mitha, the only Memon General of the Army who founded THE SSG COMMANDO BATTALION OF PAKISTAN ARMY.

    "QUOTE"

    According to Gen Mitha, it was Gul Hasan who saved Brig Zia-ul-Haq, as he then was, from being sacked. Zia was in Jordan. The year was 1971. Gen Yahya received a signal from Maj Gen Nawazish, the head of the Pakistan military mission in Amman, asking that Zia be court-martialled for disobeying GHQ orders by commanding a Jordanian armour division against the Palestinians in which thousands were slaughtered. That ignominious event is known as Operation Black September. It was Gul Hasan who interceded for Zia and had Yahya let him off. Mitha was treated very badly. His Hilal-i-Jurat was withdrawn in February 1972, something that also appears to have been Gul Hasan’s handiwork.

    "UNQUOTE"

    For Further Reading:

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/pakistan

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/jinnah-g

  3. Abdul Sattar Avatar
    Abdul Sattar

    If this was a rebuttal to Colonel Puri's letter, it was a very pathetic one.

    This person sucks at writing and conveying any sort of solid, well thought out argument.

    As a Pakistani, it's just embarrassing to see this even be taken seriously. I mean, c'mon, the guy says things like "Indians are real masters when it comes to false propaganda or cook stories." What kind of a reply is that?!?! Is this a school yard fight where you just say stupid things and hope the other side will believe you?

    And the author's English skills are definitely deficient. I wish people just realized how important it is to pay attention to the little details when it comes to writing. The harsh reality is that if you cannot write well, nobody is going to be convinced by what you have to say.

  4. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    @abdul sattar!

    why don't you rebut the col's argument? and why you are so touchy about the english language skills? english is niether our national language nor a mother tongue.

    do you have some sort of inferiority complex?

  5. Zia Ahmad Avatar
    Zia Ahmad

    The title of the article promises to be a scathing diatribe that would make the mentioned Colonel weep and hide under his bed. To do so, the writer should have had layered her argument with some shred of sense and reason that would have been beneficial rather relying on hot headed empty defensive rhetoric. So first of all, in the future the writer should design a title that does justice to the body of her argument.

    The “scolding” article begins with patronizing the Colonel and his talent for subtle sarcasm. The open letter to General Kyani is available for anyone to read and all is required is an impartial perspective to see that the colonel certainly does reflect concerns most of us have in Pakistan. Colonel Puri’s letter is respectfully addressed in an articulate manner and carries sensible weight. Why should an Indian be allowed to pass on his opinions on a seemingly indigenous business is maybe because our utter incompetence to nip a problem in the bud. When we so eagerly look for American/Japanese/European/Irani/Martian funds to tackle our own security problems why do we get so touchy when outsiders offer a frank and blunt opinion?

    Giving further biased subjectivity to her assemblage of words, the writer surpasses the ranks of Holocaust deniers. “..how tactfully he incited the sentiments of people of Bangladesh by blaming that Bengalis were never considered as Pakistanis and he makes a fake story of how Pak army had inflicted immense atrocities on the Bengalis without any remorse or inhibitions. Pardon me… but what happened in 71 is a published and established fact now.”

    I urge the writer to go through historical accounts other than those supplanted by Pakistan Studies curriculum. East Pakistanis were systematically and institutionally discriminated against during the Ayub Khan era. For matters too exhaustive to divulge here in detail, the following should hint at the antipathy towards East Pakistan. The illustrious General "Tiger" Niazi referred East Pakistan to as “a low lying land of low lying people” (source R.J. Rummel, Death by Government). So much for the Indian allegation to incite Bengali sentiments.

    As for the “fake story” of Pakistani atrocities… Ms Zehra! Ever heard of the Hamud-ur-Rehman Commission Report? It wasn’t documented by any Imperial American, Indian, Zionist force, neither by any bleeding heart liberal group. Pakistani government itself recorded the events leading to the partition of ’71. Plase have a look http://www.bangla2000.com/Bangladesh/Independence….

    What happened in 1971 is indeed known to the world now and painfully it is Pakistan, then West Pakistan, who was indulged in a wide scale genocide that has been reported by impartial sources. Unlike your article I would happily furnish you with a choicy list, (1) Time, Pakistan: The Ravaging of Golden Bengal http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,878408,0… (2)Foreign Relations, 1969-1976, Volume E-7, Documents on South Asia, 1969-1972 http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e7/48213…. (3) Rummel, Rudolph J. (1998). Statistics of Democide: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900 http://books.google.com/books?id=qP0FEK35lmQC(4) Totten, Samuel (2000). Teaching About Genocide: Issues, Approaches and Resource shttp://books.google.com/books?id=LoQo50YPzTUC. There are plenty of other sources easily available online and you can easily dismiss them as Western/Hindu/Zionist propaganda in favor of hearsay, proclamations according to Pakistan Studies and miscellaneous hyperbolic pronouncements similar to your post.

    “India has been investing heavily in stoking insurgencies in Balochistan, FATA and Swat and is now eager to reap the harvest it had been sowing since 2002. And the peace deals in Swat and Bajaur have actually disillusioned them having tried various means to disrupt peace.”

    Again dear Ms Zahra, please acknowledge the double standards so blatantly conveyed in the line above. How convenient it is to forget or justify Pakistani involvement in Indian Punjab and Kashmir. Don’t tell me you don’t think Pakistan had any hand in supporting separatists in India. Why Kashmir is still a part of India and Khalistan never got to see the light of day is attributable to how India exercised its authority, wrongfully or otherwise, in the said regions. By the same account even if India is abetting rebel movements in Pakistan, the establishment should put its foot down rather than cowering under their bullying antics, and must not allow India or any other alleged foreign influence to take shape on its soil.

    Finally the flogging incident. The Chief Minister of NWFP hasn’t demonstrated any spine and ofcourse he would deny any incident that undermines his control over his terrain. The commissioner of Malakand is a Mulla Sufi Mohammad sympathizer, his word doesn’t count either as for the girl… what’s your source?

    In the future I hope you will save your self from the embarrassment of offering lopsided arguments that betray any rhyme and reason of conducting a sensible dialogue plus try to indulge in some introspection and see if our own “daman” is clear before casting stones at others.

  6. Hamza Avatar
    Hamza

    This post is utter nonsense. Col. Puri's letter wasn't great, but this response is an embarresment.

    "Indians are real masters when it comes to false propaganda or cook stories."

    –Great, more conspiracy stories from the Zaid Hamid brigade.

    "The catastrophe was a foregone conclusion since it was an international conspiracy to detach East Pakistan from the rest of Pakistan."

    –More nonsense. Please read the Hamood-ur-Rahman commission report. The independence of Bangladesh had more to do with the legitimate aspirations of the Bengali people than an "international conspiracy" to break Pakistan.

  7. asif chauhdary Avatar
    asif chauhdary

    @ Abdul Sattar, Hamza, Zia, bla bla bla,

    Seems Hindus have started baptizing, because no Pakistani would like to wash his dirty linen in the public? One thing is for sure that something in this article has really pinched and forced you to paste your posts here? Had it been a pathetic and merely low English piece you would have not bothered at all.

    Am I right Jawwad bhai?

    Keep it up you empty minds 😉

  8. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Rebuttal to Col. Harish Puri:

    This is how the rebuttal is written and not like that Raving Lunatic Ziad Hamid:

    Rebuttal:

    Poor Muslims of India & Rajinder Sachar Report – 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/poor-mus

    Poor Muslims of India & Rajinder Sachar Report – 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/poor-mus

  9. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Rebuttal to Col. Harish Puri:

    This is how the rebuttal is written and not like that Raving Lunatic Ziad Hamid:

    Rebuttal:

    Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrenwale (1947 – 1984) – 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/sant-jar

    Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrenwale (1947 – 1984) – 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/sant-jar

    Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrenwale (1947 – 1984) – 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/sant-jar

  10. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Another Rebuttal to Col. Harish Puri:

    This is how the rebuttal is written and not like that Raving Lunatic Ziad Hamid:

    Rebuttal:

    Tamil Tigers [LTTE], Israel and India – 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/tamil-ti

    Tamil Tigers [LTTE], Israel and India – 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/tamil-ti

  11. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Another Rebuttal to Col. Harish Puri:

    This is how the rebuttal is written and not like that Raving Lunatic Ziad Hamid:

    Rebuttal:

    Mysterious Killing of Hemant Karkare in Mumbai Terror.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/myestrio

  12. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Let me remind you Colonel Hari Sahab,

    I will be quoting Indian Media for Rebuttal.

    Another Rebuttal to Col. Harish Puri:

    This is how the rebuttal is written and not like that Raving Lunatic Ziad Hamid:

    Rebuttal:

    "All of them have done it together in collusion. Vehicles full of people were coming from outside. If

    the police and SRP had supported us, so many Muslims would not have died. They surrounded them, and got them killed."

    "It was pre-planned only in that area, just at that time, phones were cut down, electricity was cut. Who doesn't hold one's life dear? To save our lives, some ran that way. We didn't know there was a mob of about 500 waiting with petrol and swords. Whoever went, they raped and killed them. When children cried for water, they poured petrol into their mouths. They raped, they

    burnt everything. When life did not go easily, they pierced people with iron rods and killed them. The police clearly said: "We have no orders to help you". Tell me, what can we do?"

    "They dragged people out of their houses. Young girls and women were raped by them, and then they burnt everyone together. I saw corpses in fron of houses, in very bad condition – burnt and naked."

    "There were 11 people in my sisters family. Only three are left – in the hospital. The other were finished, burnt. My sister had money. She said: "Take the money, spare my children". They said: "No! You have to die!" They poured kerosene and petrol over her and burnt her. Even now if you go, you will find dead bodies in every house. My mother-in-law' s sister and some others were burnt with their children. What could we do, tell me? There was no one to support us! What happened was terrible! My pregnant niece's stomach was cut open, the foetus taken and thrown into the fire. Look at our situation! They ask us: Why did you burn our train?""

    "In front of my eyes, they burnt my grandmother and two cousins. They raped a woman and cut her arms. In front of me they took out a foetus from a mother's belly, showed it around and put a sword through it. They told us to say "Shri Ram". They took us to a temple nearby, put tikkas on our forehead and asked us to say "Shri Ram". They killed whoever did not do so."

    http://news.amnesty.org/mavp/mediaclip.nsf/0/42DE

    Narendra Modi on Gujarat:

    “With the entire population of Gujarat very angry at what happened in Godhra much worse was expected” (Times of India Feb 28 2002)

    “Asked about the violence, Modi quoted Newton’s third law — ‘every action has an equal and opposite reaction’— to virtually justify what is happening.” (The Times of India 3 March 2003)

    Referring to Congress Party’s so called policy of appeasement of Muslims with sarcasm Modi said:

    “I told them [the Congress] I got Narmada water in the month of Sharavan, if they had it their way …. They would have got in Ramzan.” (Star TV played this speech repeatedly on September 15-16 2002)

    “What should we do? Run relief camps for them [Muslims]? Do we want to open baby-producing centres?”

    SAFFRON TERROR PRAVEEN SWAMI in Ahmedabad

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1906/19060080.h

    Guajarat 2006 Is Deadlier Than 2002 By Prashant Jha 19 October, 2006 Countercurrents. org

    http://www.countercurrents.org/guj-jha191006.htm

    Last Refuge Of The Scoundrel By Praful Bidwai 30 March, 2005 Khaleej Times

    http://www.countercurrents.org/gujarat-bidwai3003

    The Hindu Rashtra Of Gujarat By V.B.Rawat 27 September, 2005 Countercurrents. org

    What is in the name:

    http://www.countercurrents.org/guj-rawat270905.ht

    GUJARAT

    Crime and complicity

    Was the Gujarat government being thick-skinned or was it just wishful thinking?

    After the Supreme Court described the leaders of the Gujarat government as "modern day Neros who were looking elsewhere when innocent children and women were burning", and ordered the re-trial of the Best Bakery case in Maharashtra, the Gujarat government filed an appeal recently against the transfer. While dismissing the petition, the Court came down even heavily on the Gujarat State government saying that its "sympathies were more for the accused than the victims".

    The Supreme Court's remarks:

    *When a large number of witnesses have turned hostile it should have raised a reasonable suspicion that the witnesses were being threatened or coerced.

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2111/stories/20

    The National Human Rights Commission indicts the Gujarat government for its failure to contain communal violence in the State. V.VENKATESAN

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1908/19081240.h

    “We Have No Orders To Save You”

    http://www.hrw.com

    State Participation and Complicity in Communal Violence in Gujarat Full Report – Printer-friendly PDF

    version (70 pages, 265 Kb)

    Summary and Recommendations – Printer-friendly PDF version (12 pages, 45 Kb)

    Thirty-eight- year-old Mehboob Mansoori lost eighteen family members in the massacre of Muslims in the neighborhood of Gulmarg Society, Ahmedabad. He was interviewed by Human Rights Watch three weeks after the attack. His story is representative of many testimonies contained in this report.

    They burnt my whole family.

    On February 28, we went to Ehsan Jaffrey's home for safety. He is an ex-member of parliament.. .. At 10:30 a.m. the stone throwing started. First there were 200 people then 500 from all over, then more. We were 200-250 people. We threw stones in self-defense. They had swords, pipes, soda-lemon bottles, sharp weapons, petrol, kerosene, and gas cylinders. They began shouting, "Maro, kato," ["Kill them, cut them"] and "Mian ko maro." ["Kill the Muslims"]. I hid on the third floor.

    Early in the day at 10:30 the police commissioner came over and said don't worry. He spoke to Jaffrey and said something would work out, then left. The wall in front of the house was broken at 11:30 a.m. When they entered the hall we had lost our spirit, we had no weapons, we couldn't fight back. Other people also came there for safety. When the gas cylinder exploded I jumped from the third floor. This was around 1:30 p.m.

    At 3:30 p.m. they started cutting people up, and by 4:30 p.m. it was game over. Ehsan Jaffrey was also killed. He was holding the door closed. Then the door broke down. They pulled him out and hit him with a sword across the forehead, then across the stomach, then on his legs…. They then took him on the road, poured kerosene on him and burned him. There was no police at all. If they were there then this wouldn't have happened.

    Eighteen people from my family died. All the women died. My brother, my three sons, one girl, my wife's mother, they all died. My boys were aged ten, eight, and six. My girl was twelve years old. The bodies were piled up. I recognized them from parts of their clothes used for identification. They first cut them and then burned them. Other girls were raped, cut, and burned. First they took their jewelry, I was watching from upstairs. I saw it with my own eyes. If I had come outside, I would also have been killed. Four or five girls were treated this way. Two married women also were raped and cut. Some on the hand, some on the neck.

    I. SUMMARY

    II. RECOMMENDATIONS

    III. MASSACRES IN GODHRA AND AHMEDABAD

    Godhra

    The Ahmedabad Massacres: Naroda Patia and Gulmarg

    Society

    Naroda Patia

    Attacks on Women Gulmarg Society

    IV. OVERVIEW OF THE ATTACKS AGAINST MUSLIMS

    Let's Not Forget Godhra By Siddharth Varadarajan 22 August, 2004 The Hindu

    http://www.countercurrents.org/guj-varadarajan220

  13. Zia Ahmad Avatar
    Zia Ahmad

    Chaudary Saab,

    The empty minds will keep at it, you dont have to worry about it. What do you suggest about minds wallowing in ignorance? I suggest some fresh air, preferably early in the morning for caged minds. While you are at it try to think of a world with more complex evils than "Hindus".

  14. readinglord Avatar
    readinglord

    We West Pakies (Now New-Pakies)must be ashamed of what we did with the Bengalies of erstwhile East Pakistan. I hope that the people will now ponder, take lesson from history and rise up to save Swat and Pakistan from Talibani barbarism before it is too late as per words of :

    Martin Niemöller, a German poet during Hitler’s fascist regime, did in his poem hereunder?

    “First they came for the Jews

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for the Communists

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists

    and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me

    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

    Why not say more pertinently with reference to Pakiland?

    'First they came for Ahmadies

    and I did not speak out because I was not an Ahmadi

    Then they came for the Shias

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Shia.

    Then they came for Swat

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Sawati.

    Then they came for me

    and there was no one left to speak out for me.'

    (Martin Neimoller se mahzarat ke saath!)

  15. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Another Rebuttal to Col. Harish Puri:

    Christians in Orissa i.e. in Secular India.

    Hindu Mobs in Orissa Torch Churches on Christmas By Steve Herman New Delhi 26 December 2007

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/christia

  16. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Dear Colonel Hari,

    Lets snatch each others clothes in public! Another reuttal:

    Child commercial sex workers: India

    There are approximately 2 million child commercial sex workers between the age of 5 and 15 years and about 3.3 million between 15 and 18 years They form 40% of the total population of commercial sex workers in India 80% of these are found in the 5 metros 71% of them are illiterate 500,000 children are forced into this trade every year

    Source : http://www.cry.org

    * Prostitution is widespread, with an estimated 2.3 million prostitutes in the country, some 575,000 of whom are children. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1999)

    Witch doctors cause rise in child sacrifices by Catherine Philp

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1023943…

    Horror of India's child sacrifice By Navdip Dhariwal

    BBC correspondent, northern India

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/49033

  17. readinglord Avatar
    readinglord

    @Amir Mughal

    What happened to you dear that you start, in your words:

    "Lets snatch each others clothes in public! Another reuttal:"

    Why not recall Allama Iqbal, who says:

    "Mazhab nahein sikhaata aapas mein beir rakhna

    Hindi hein ham watan he Hindostan hamara"

    Why snatch clothes of each other when our 'sharam parda ek hi he'.

  18. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    @Amir Mughal

    What happened to you dear that you start, in your words:

    “Lets snatch each others clothes in public! Another reuttal:”

    Why not recall Allama Iqbal, who says:

    “Mazhab nahein sikhaata aapas mein beir rakhna

    Hindi hein ham watan he Hindostan hamara”

    Why snatch clothes of each other when our ’sharam parda ek hi he’.[Readinglord]

    =======================

    Dear Sir,

    Snatching each other clothes in public was meant for if Indian member is on the blog so that he/she can quote the incidents of similar nature in Pakistan where Pakistanis [Muslims too] have done with fellwo Pakistanis [Muslims too]

    http://www.bangla2000.com/Bangladesh/Independence

    In my humble opinion Iqbal must have been high due to access use of imported wine or some hash joint because if we take Iqbal's first verse

    "Mazhab nahein sikhaata aapas mein beir rakhna" seriously

    then what we would do with:

    Ghazwae-e-Badr, Uhad, Ahzab, Tabuk, Hunain, and lateron several Military Campaign by the Pious Companions [May Allah be pleased with them] of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH], launched against Persian [Zorastrians], Byzantine [Christian] Empire and etc.etc.

  19. Pramod Avatar
    Pramod

    All of it made a good reading. I am an Indian and we, on this side of the border feel that there are problems within each country. Things like Gujrat have happened in all countries at different times. However, these are internal matters of each country. The problem starts when one country starts meddling in the affairs of any other. We in India think that is exactly what Pak has been doing to India for a very long time now, and that is the impetus for the letter of Col. Puri. It should be seen as a manifestation of that line of thought and no more.

    Today, there are reports in Indian papers that there has been an attempt to send across terrorists in Indian Kashmir with the help of Pak army. These things need to be stopped at once. If that is done, none here will care for what is happening inside Pakistan, except may be watching with horror, concern, sympathy or amusement, depending upon the mood of the person, as one would watch any other global happening. I think that should apply to any one living in Pakistan also.

    One thing more – we in India are not so hung up on religion – to at least 75% of Indians, religion does not matter. I, as an Hindu am as comfortable sitting across a Muslim in a coffee shop as a Hindu. I just don't care, and that applies to most of us here. Why to talk of religion at all ? Every one is entitled to his belief and live the way he wants – that is what Indian constitution says and that is what majority of us believe in

  20. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Correction:

    In my humble opinion Iqbal must have been high due to access use of imported wine or some hash joint.

    As Dr Jawwad Khan declared

    “jawab e jahilan khamshi bashud” [Dr Jawwad Khan]

    =======================

    Dear Jawwad Sahab,

    I agree with you that I am a Jahil [Illiterate and Ignorant]

    Correction:

    access use [wrong]

    excess use [Correct]

    Mistake was due to too much Jack Daniels on Saturday Night.

  21. asif chauhdary Avatar
    asif chauhdary

    Comment by readinglord on April 25, 2009 @ 5:51 am

    Martin Niemöller, a German poet during Hitler’s fascist regime, did in his poem hereunder?

    “First they came for the Communists

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Communists.

    Then they came for the Shumali Itehadiyas

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Shumali Itehadiya.

    Then they came for the Hindus

    and I did not speak out because I was not a Hindu.

    Then they came to me

    I told them who I am and they left .”

    (readinglord say m’aadrut kay saath)

    Comment by Zia Ahmad on April 25, 2009 @ 5:22 am

    Thanks Zee Madan! I will take your advice seriously but what about the input given by Aamir Mughal? Aren’t you feeling better now?

    Comment by Aamir Mughal

    Thanks for your valuable input, brother.

  22. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Comment by asif chauhdary on April 27, 2009 @ 8:36 am

    Comment by Zia Ahmad on April 25, 2009 @ 5:22 am

    Thanks Zee Madan! I will take your advice seriously but what about the input given by Aamir Mughal? Aren’t you feeling better now? Comment by Aamir Mughal Thanks for your valuable input, brother.

    ====================

    Dear Chaudhry Sahab,

    I am humbled and honoured.

    Regards

  23. Ranpal Singh Avatar
    Ranpal Singh

    I am an indian and i think that this letter is quite irrevelent and useless. we have many issues here in india that need to be addressed and the same is with pakistan. Col Puri seem to publicity hungry. Let pakistani people decide what they should do in their internal affairs. As for indians, who feel that we may face spillovers of the happinings in pakistan, we should strengthen our forces and machinery. Writing such letters certainly is not the best way to convey your concerns…

  24. apu Avatar
    apu

    Dear friends,

    I'm an Indian and will be the last one to defend riots which happen here or anywhere. Its always the poor and illiterate who suffer everywhere. The political leaders , be they of any color , for them its a game of power. But be very certain that the percentage in population of minorities in India has remained constant or gone up . The benefits available to the minorities (religious or caste ) is unbelievable. Please let me know if the population of minorities in ur nation has remained constant or gone up in any district.

    regards,

  25. apu Avatar
    apu

    Hey friends,

    another important point which i forgot to make ; India carried out land redistribution in the 60's i.e. the one who farms the land owns it. Zamindari which was common to both our nations was abolished . If you do not do that in ur country be sure that the landless labourers will take up arms against society. You can call them any name (taliban etc),the recruits to the revolution will be landless/uneducated people who are extremely desperate for their and their families survival. this was the agenda of the naxals in India in the 60/70's , but now they are irrelevant.

  26. Ajay Mishra Avatar
    Ajay Mishra

    No wonder this article is published here and not by any reputed newspaper. Its as if it is written by a 7 yr old, blaming his mommy for all his problems. Dont worry son everything will be OK. Daddy and Mommy will make it fine for u!

  27. Ajay Mishra Avatar
    Ajay Mishra

    First of all Pakis need to understand that they r responsible for Muslims in their country and not in other lands! U kill Hindus, Sikhs in ur land, what is ur answer to that?

    @ Aamir, do u even know why Guj riots took place?

    54 Hindus returning from their pilgrimage were burnt alive in train by Muslims. What happened next is a typical mob mentality, not denying the fact that some hardline Hindu organization did fuel such emotions. But what did Narendra Modi do? He ordered shoot at sight for more than 300 Hindu Mob. Now compare that situation in Pak? HAve u ever heard of atrocities committed by Hindus on Muslims in Pak? What would happen if Hindus burn Muslims returning from heir Haj? Would your Minister order shooting of fellow Muslims? He would be labelled Kafir if not more?

    After the Guj riots, SC took up the case. It ordered arrest of one Hindu minister. Again is it possible in ur land of pure? Other ministers are under scanner and many under arrest? Is it ever possible in next 100 yrs in Pak? The minorities getting justice there?

    After 2002 riots, earthquakes and droughts, Guj is one of the most progressive states of India with its annual buisness being much more than the total foreign reserves of Pak! Guj had a Muslim top cop and many Muslim IPS officers. Still I dont support Modi or BJP. Their ideology does not suit me. Thats the reason why BJP has come to power just once reiterating the fact that Indian ppl which comprises Hindu as its majority are secular, peace loving ppl who stay aside from hard line ppl!

    Now lets come to Orissa. That was not a Christian v/s Hindu prob. It was a prob between Scheduled Tribes and Schedules Castes. The churches there were converting Dalits to Christians for many years now. Matter was taken with ministers but little came out of it. After that there was a death of some Hindu Sadhu there which led to this riot. 40 Christians were killed houses burnt. All those Hindu Sadhus followers are in jail now!

    Every country has its problem, its how you deal with it that makes you different! I wont even goto sex workers, etc bcos the dark part of society exists everywhere and pinpointing one nation is sheer desperateness and stupidity!

    But my question to u is, u cited sources and gave all the arguements, what about the atrocities committed by ur ppl on minorities in Pak? So much so that the Hindu population has gone down to 1.6% from 30% during partition. Is it not the handiwork of years of ethnic cleansing? Whereas the Muslim population has grown in India. Has any Muslim even after these riots come to Pak for shelter? Whereas Hindus have asked shelter from our govt citing Taliban atrocities! Has Indian govt sent mujhaideens to Karachi and Lahore to take "badla" of Hindu killings as ur govt did in Mumbai?

    The amount of freedom Muslims enjoy in India, they dont even enjoy in Pak. They are progressing in each and every field here. And those who r not (among which r Hindus, christians as well) are tied in their years of orthodox nature. Can Pak in next 100 yrs have a Hindu President, a Christian defense minister and many other top cabinet minsiters? Will Muslims line every friday to see movies of fellow Hindus in Pak even for next 100 yrs? Can Muslims in Pak have Hindu as their icons, rocket scientist and most revered president? You know the answer very well my friend.

    So stop being the messiah of every Muslim on this earth and take care of ur falling land. It will be benefit both of us.

  28. Ranpal Singh Avatar
    Ranpal Singh

    @ Amir Mughal,

    The links shown by you about many "wrong" things in india does not make you any better… of course there are problems and the govt. is doing a lot for the improvement. What you have posteed has nothing to do with this article. It is more of a ranting. I can post hundred such links here which shows poor,pathetic conditions of paksitani woman, children etc. But this is not the point of discussion here. What Mr Puri did does n't seem to be good. If muslims in india are financilay backward, it is mostly their fault. Let me tell you a true story..

    During my school days i was friend to a muslim guy in our class. We were best of friends. He was very bright specially in maths and better then me in almost all subjects. We used to get good positions in class. Together we passed 5th class and while i registered for class 6th i was amazed to find that Mohd Ayoob ( my class mate) did n't wanted to study further. His parents were forcing him to quite the "infidel's" system of study and read only religious books. He left the school and from now onwards started reading Koran in a madarsa.

    It is 20 years since then. I have moved out of my village and working in a reputed compamy as technical design consultant. I met him few years back and could not recognise him. He was working as a labourer in a factory and looking twice of my age.

    I felt pain for him. Had he completed his study, he would have been in a better position now.

    The reason to tell the story above is that this applies to millions of muslims families in india. They do not want their ward to study and then blame the system for bad conditions of muslims in india. As for those who dare to achieve, there is no stopping on the basis of religion in india. Many muslims holding top posts in indian establishment are testimony to it.

    I hope some day this hate business will stop people will stop thinking themselves as superiors just because they follow certain religion. Muslims , christions , jews or may be hindus, all think themselves god's most loved one's. But the the true one is who loves others and respects others religious beliefs.

    Thank you

  29. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    @ Aamir, do u even know why Guj riots took place? [Ajay Mishra]

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    @ Amir Mughal, The links shown by you about many “wrong” things in india does not make you any better… [Ranpal Singh]

    ==============

    Dear Mr Ajay,

    I know very that how the Fire Incident of Sabarmati Express was exploited by Narendra Modi and Co to kill innocent Muslim Citizens of India. It remains a mystery as to what happened in Godhra on the morning of 27 February 2002 when fifty-nine Hindu passengers coming from Ayodhya in the Sabarmati Express and traveling in S-6 were burnt. The government appointed Justice U.C. Banerjee, a Supreme Court Judge, to inquire into the Godhra train incident. Justice Banerjee published his report in January 2005 and concluded in his findings that the fire in S-6 of Sabarmati Express was accidental and not planned.

    Dear Mr Ajay,

    Do you even remember as to how a Gentleman "Hindu" IAS Officer Mr Harsh Mandar [I slaute him for the services he rendered for the people of Gujarat] was treated by Modi because Mr Harsh was impartial and following the Law to serve and protect. Please be warned I will quote Indian Source on this and you wont be able to deny.

    Dear Mr Singh,

    Please go through my several posts on the Rot in the system of Governance in Pakistan before passing the judgement. Do check these posts on blog [I have quoted Indian Journalists and NGOs] on Hindutva Extremism:

    12 Posts on American Funding to Hindu Extremists on my blog and check the months of November 2008 and also check as to how British Charity is used for funding Hindu Extremists [11 Posts on my blog check the posts for month of Nov and Dec 2008]. Therefore please do not single out Muslims alone for Religious Extremism be impartial and judge Muslims, Muslim countires and Societies impartially.

  30. Pramod Avatar
    Pramod

    Dear Mr Aamir,

    We are probably missing the point. This thread started due to a letter written by Col. Puri about the happenings in Pak under the increasing influence of Taliban. There is no denying this fact. Yesterday and today, the news channels say that Pak military has started action against those elements that Col. Puri had pointed out. Since your Govt is doing exactly what Col. Puri had tried to convey, why the opposition ?

    As I said in my earlier post and probably what most of the writers from this side of the border have stated is that no one here defends Gujrat. Yes, it is an aberration in Indian democracy, but it is also a fact that such aberrations exist in all nations, and this is no reason at all to make generalised statements against any nation.

  31. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Would u believe me if I quote Zaid Hamid here (if u trust that man, then no point of having this discussion). [Ajay Mishra]
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    Dear Mishra Sahab,

    I would just an Indian Website without any of my comment:

    The Taliban is already amidst us in India THEY WILL NOT COME FROM PAKISTAN

    http://www.newageislam.org/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1363

    Even God’s Arm Is Not Long Enough To Catch The Murderers Of Gujarat! The curious silence around Modi

    http://www.newageislam.org/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1367

  32. Ajay Mishra Avatar
    Ajay Mishra

    @Aamir, U claim u know very well how Narendra Modi exploited trian burning events. My question to you, why should I trust you and not my judicial system? Anything that will happen in favor of Mr Modi will be twisted by you and many other Pakis!! As I told you earlier, Pakis are not the messiah of all Muslims in the world and especially in India!

    Throwing mud at us wont make ur troubles go away. My advice to you is write columns to make ppl aware of the ill effects of Taliban rather than publishing rant against India which will satisfy ur ego for like 5 min!

  33. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    My advice to you is write columns to make ppl aware of the ill effects of Taliban rather than publishing rant against India which will satisfy ur ego for like 5 min! [Ajay Mishra]

    =====

    Dear Mishra Sahab,

    Go and visit my blog and read yourself that I have already done that…

  34. Ajay Mishra Avatar
    Ajay Mishra

    Also there are many reasonable journalist and many fanatic journalists in every part of the country. Would u believe me if I quote Zaid Hamid here (if u trust that man, then no point of having this discussion). I dont support right wing Hindu workers and their so called Hindutva ideology. What I mean to say is u cant say which source is credible and which is not.

    P.S: Hindutva actually means peace and representation to all. Its the misdeeds by some ppl that has given bad name to that. If its implemented in its truest form, it actually means secularism, that is what Hinduism supports from its inception!

  35. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Would u believe me if I quote Zaid Hamid here (if u trust that man, then no point of having this discussion). [Ajay Mishra]

    =================

    Dear Mishra Sahab,

    Do read about Zaid Hamid on this very blog and click the link above on this blog on your right had. Also do read my blog on this Lunatic Zaid Hamid [13 Posts]

  36. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    hey ajay mishra!

    first look at these pictures and then give us bhashan on hindutuva or hindubelan or hindu chakla(hehehehehehheeeeeee)

    http://picasaweb.google.com/dr.jawwadkhan/India?f

    http://www.urdunet.com/gujarat/gujaratphotos.htm

  37. asif chauhdary Avatar
    asif chauhdary

    @ Amir Mughal Sahib

    You are welcome sir.

    Do you one thing? Most of these Indians prefer talking in air. They prefer to remain in the hallucinations. We are facing problems, no doubt, but we fight with them. Who knows that someday while wrestling with these problems, we eliminate the mother of all evils? No harm in supposing it.

    *smiles*

  38. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Would u believe me if I quote Zaid Hamid here (if u trust that man, then no point of having this discussion). [Ajay Mishra]

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    Dear Mishra Sahab,

    I would just quote an Indian Journalist Suzanna Arundhati Roy through BBC on Pakistan and so-called Shining India!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/multimedia/2009/04/0904

  39. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    Still waiting to hear why Pakistan Army could not locate an FM radio station transmitting on a fixed frequency at a fixed time.

    This is going on for years and years.

    What will you tell to someone, that Taliban is indeed supported by higher authorities in Pakistan ?

  40. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    That Taliban is indeed supported by higher authorities in Pakistan ? [SAM]

    ================

    And USA too.

  41. Ranpal Singh Avatar
    Ranpal Singh

    Dear Mr Singh,

    Please go through my several posts on the Rot in the system of Governance in Pakistan before passing the judgement. Do check these posts on blog [I have quoted Indian Journalists and NGOs] on Hindutva Extremism:

    @ Amir mughal,

    Hindutva extermist are there in india like islamic extremist in pakistan or elsewhere, but we would not allow them to succeed. They may create few incidents of hatred but largely they are cornered by the law and people itself.

    @ asif chauhdary,

    The whole world knows for last 1500 or so years who is the mother of all eviles. And your unconditional supporter ( USA) for last 50 years is not with you wholeheartedly now. So better look within.

    btw… dil behlane ke liya khyaal achha hai.. so be happy..

  42. asif chauhdary Avatar
    asif chauhdary

    [Comment by Ranpal Singh on May 1, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

    @ asif chauhdary,

    The whole world knows for last 1500 or so years who is the mother of all eviles. And your unconditional supporter ( USA) for last 50 years is not with you wholeheartedly now. So better look within.

    btw… dil behlane ke liya khyaal achha hai.. so be happy..]

    You have yourself answered your question, so no need to talk about that.

    As far as later paart is concerned, cant say much except….

    بغل میں چھری اور منہ میں رام رام

    رام رام جپنا اور پرایا مال اپنا

  43. Ranpal Singh Avatar
    Ranpal Singh

    @ asif chauhdary,

    you are showing your moronic charactor here. Do not spread hate! btw.. your killing theology is not going to survive forever. killings in the name of religion only breeds more killings. But only if one cares about value of human life… i guess you do not !!

    take care

  44. Anoop Avatar
    Anoop

    What a sorry ass article!

    A rebuttal to Col.Puri's article is quite tough. I'll tell you why. Col.Puri has addressed the COAS of Pakistan. So, he is referring to the incident under the nose of Kayani. Anyone with an active mind will tell you that video of a Girl getting spanked was embarrassing for the new Govt of Pak and especially its army who had control over the country for 9 yrs. It was in that time SWAT began to unravel and the Army of Pakistan only contributed to the problem.

    Col.Puri has talked about Genocide by the Pak army in Bangladesh which ultimately payed the ultimate price! Bangladesh being formed! Compared to this singular event no event matches the magnanimity! All the author can point out is the Hindu-muslim riots in India and so on. But, India has not payed the ultimate choice in any scenario compared to Pakistan which lost half its territory!!!!!

    So, I'd be really surprised to get an article from a Pakistani(military or non-military) addressed to the Indian PM (Unlike in Pakistan, in India PM is where the authority starts and ends)which will get on the nerves of the Indian public. The fact that India is doing so well compared to Pakistan on all spheres will greatly diminish the impact of any attempted rebuttal to Col.Puri's article..

    As long as India continues on its miraculous path of economic growth and as long as Pakistan gains control to all of its area, not many People can write an article that can really get on the nerves of the Indians like Col.Puri's letter addressed to Kayani..