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Talibans want to Negotiate for Peace with Imran Khan as a mediator

Today The News published a report of an audio tape delivered to their offices in Peshawar of a Taliban leader suggesting that they would like to discuss the possibility of a peaceful resolution in the region and offered the name of Imran Khan as a potential mediator. Looking at the news item published in the newspaper its ironic to note that the editorial board choose to hide the importance of this ground breaking news item, camouflaging it under the title of “No Talks with Taliban now: Fazl” probably yet another dubious statement by Maulana Fazlur Rehman who chose for the umpteenth time to toeing the official pro-establishment line of going guns blazing, suggesting that peace was utterly out of the question.

I feel this offer by the Swat Talibans to come onto the negotiating table is a very important development and quite possibly a breakthrough in an out-of-control war on terror offensive. It is my opinion that such peace initiatives should have been in place throughout the offensive, fully empowering the Pakistan Army to aggressively demilitarize the warring militants but at the same time keep an open door policy for diplomacy and possibly a peaceful settlement of this conflict.

Some pessimists may rightly see this to be a deliberately attempt by the Talibans to forestall any ongoing military offensives, which may give them time to recuperate and retaliate later with renewed energy, it is a genuine concern, but on the flip side it could also mean to suggest that the Talibans have weakened enough to be now ready to come onto the negotiating table for any peace talks.

The message that was delivered in the audio tape seems to be a very logical demand, a demand which easily resonates through any dignified, honorable and self respecting Pakistani. They argued “We are Pakistanis and we don’t want to harm our country. Our objection is to the government’s policy of toeing the US line and fighting its own people at the behest of America – Unfortunately, Pakistan is ruled by politicians who live in Washington and London before coming to power and go back to these places after losing power” – is that the basis of their jihad against the US-enslaved politicians in Pakistan? If it is, then to be honest it perfectly echoes with my own struggle on this blog, an effort to rid our country of being controlled by American interests and possibly revive the dignity, respect and honor of being a Pakistani

Suggestions of a total disarmament being a pre-condition to any peace talks seems to be a little far-fetched utopian dream, considering that our country stands in peril. Our first effort should be to bring the parties together, discuss, argue and debate their demands to hopefully see how much can be negotiated, yes, the ultimate goal should be a weapon-free society, but in reality we have never achieved de-weaponization even in other cities in Pakistan, let alone try to establish that in the FATA region. I think we should be ready to negotiate even to a long term ceasefire.

I truly welcome the suggestion of peace talks, the possibility of looking beyond America’s vested interest to destabilize Pakistan with the hope of taking ownership of this menacing problem and solving it our own way. Whosoever may be the mediator, be it Imran Khan, be it any other negotiator genuinely interested in solving this mess and possibly take Pakistan forward to a better and peaceful future.

The News: Our Peshawar correspondent adds: The Swat Taliban have announced their willingness to accept the Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan as a mediator for ending the conflict in Swat and the rest of the Malakand Division and bringing durable peace in the area.

A message of the Taliban Shura in Swat was conveyed in an audiocassette delivered to The News in Peshawar. It contained a statement in Pashto by a Swat Taliban military commander, who identified himself as Nooruddin Muhammad alias Abu Akash. He said he was the head of the military wing of the militants in Swat.

Praising Imran Khan as a true patriot, sincere Pakistani, good human-being and pro-Muslim politician, Taliban Commander Nooruddin Muhammad said they had trust in him as an intermediary.

“Unlike other politicians, Imran hasn’t sold out his soul. His Qibla is still the holy Ka’aba,” he remarked. He said the Taliban had never closed the door of talks with the government to resolve all outstanding issues. “We are Pakistanis and we don’t want to harm our country. Our objection is to the government’s policy of toeing the US line and fighting its own people at the behest of America,” he argued.

The Taliban commander maintained that the militants only attacked security forces and law-enforcement agencies in retaliation after their homes were bombed and their families were wiped out. He alleged that the CIA, RAW and Pakistan’s pro-US rulers were involved in acts of terrorism in public places and bazaars. Hinting at the PPP and the ANP, he charged that two ruling political parties in Pakistan were pursuing the US agenda.

“They should learn a lesson from the fate of Musharraf who too followed the American agenda. Unfortunately, Pakistan is ruled by politicians who live in Washington and London before coming to power and go back to these places after losing power,” Nooruddin Muhammad said in his audio message. He said that the Swat Taliban head Maulana Fazlullah was safe and presently in a secure place.


103 Comments

  • Aamir Mughal |

    May Allah have mercy on Taliban because Imran has also supported Musharraf's Sham Referendum in 2002 [that too after 9/11].

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      Well said Aamir.

      Tal1ban group in Pakistan is not a movement or a resistance group but these are paid mercenaries, funded by certain governments. They don't have any ethics as observed by many separatist/resistance/terrorist groups in the world.

      They are well known for attacking non-combatants in markets and mosques including ulema(scholars), women and children instead of showing some guts in the battle-field. They should be dealt with as criminals, murderers, rapists, and serial killers are dealt.

      By the way, shouldn't these Tal1bans be publicly stoning Imran Khan to death for his immoral past life rather than asking his service as a mediator?????

    • Muhammed Zafir Zia |

      Supporting Musharraf has been the only mistake in Imran's political career to-date. Imran Khan has many a times acknowledged his mistake for supporting Mushrraf.

      In Pakistan's politics where no one ever accepts his mistakes, Imran has been bold enough to accept one and that indeed is a sign of a true leader.

    • Observer |

      @Aamir

      Only "social work". What about his raising the voice against the crooks and what about when he raises his voice against using the mercenary army against our own people? What about his struggle for a free juducuary?

    • Observer |

      @Aamir

      Maybe you consider him as a bad politician, but which chioce do we have? Do have expectations of good governance from PPP, PML-N and the other parties or (dirty) business as usual? We can critisize, but we also need to put solutions on the table. What is your take on this issue?

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    You are right that he initially supported Musharraf in the hope that true democratic elections could be held. That was wrong and he has also admitted that. That aside should we not discuss the issue highlighted on this thread instead?

    Personally I think it would be the right strategy to differentiate between the groups operating with different agendas. Let us not marginalise the population. That will indeed result in a lost case. I categorically say that we will never be able to achieve a military victory. The only way out us to win the hearts and minds of the ordinary people. The relatively few people operating for foreign powers can easily be dealt with once the mainstream population is on our side. Drone attacks and military power by PAK forces is NOT the solution!

    Btw: The MQM terrorists will always have a narrow minded and foreign dictated "solution" to the issue.

    • Faheem Mustafa |

      Yup its right that Imran Khan initially supported Musharaf because he assumed that Musharaf will let the democratic Govt come, and elections will be held, but as he came to know that Musharaf is in fovor of dictatorship, Imran refusrd to standby Musharaf.

      This was the only mistake of IMRAN in his Political career. In my point of view he is the one who can bring a real positive change in PAKISTAN.

      To know about BLACK WATER presence in Pakistan visit

      http://pakistanklog.blogspot.com/2009/12/pakistan

      comments will be welcomed.

  • Observer |

    The real culprits are people like Maulana Diesel, Zardari and Altaf Hussain sitting in London. They are paid agents of the west – working hard to damage Pakistan.

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      How much are they paid? Who exactly pays them? And is it monthly or annual? Is there any bonus and uplift?

      I think you are much knowledgeable about this issue, so could you please enlighten us too?

    • Observer |

      Go back and investigate your masters yourself for details. Everyone expect MQM zombies knows it is fact that MQM is terrorist outfit. Have you forgoten 12.th May terrorist attack in KHI?

  • farrah shah |

    oh i welcome this news I also believe Imran is the right and nuetral person.Only him alone Taliban can trust.Imran is the sole person who spoke up for the plight of Pushtoons and NWFP.

    He understands their problem and did not shy away from speaking up for them.

    This is a test for Imran as well ,how well he can negotiate and can win Peace .By God if he does this he rightly deserves to serve Pakistan as Prime Minister or President .

    I have used the word serve for this man has served Pakistan by being Captain of Pakistani team by building hospitals ,establishing universities and he believes in the potential of people.

  • Unaiza Fatima |

    We must appreciate Imran Khan for what he is good at. As a good player and a philanthropist, we all should respect him, but as a politician, he is a big NO, because of his cheap politics…and I really mean dirty cheap. He has made himself a nasty clown in the arena of this filthy politics. He could be as influential as Maulana Edhi had he remained out of the politics. Trying to become a mouth-piece for criminals and terrorists will lead him further down the gutter.

    • Muhammed Zafir Zia |

      Madam the biggest social work can be done when a person is in power.Holding public offices are the only way to address the issues of the masses as heavy resources are available.

      I respect your view but in reality it is Imran Khan who has challenged the corrupt political system of the country. The nexus of army generals, politicians,industrialists, jagirdaar's and bureacracy has plundered the national wealth and safeguarded their interests only.

      Imran is challenging the status quo and that is why a well planned conspiracy has been hatched in order to malign his image.

      The American influence is the main reason for unrest in our country and no one can eliminate this wave of suicide atacks unless the core issues are addressed.I am quite sure that no operation Rah e Haq or Rahe Nijat can bear fruit unless the

      the American intervention in Pakistan is stopped.

      Imran is trying to negotiate and that is the only way to improve the conditions of the country.

      May ALLAH (SWT) shower his blessing on Pakistan. (Ameen)

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      Totally wrong. I quoted the example of Mr. Edhi for this reason which you willfully ignored. Edhi enjoys the greatest influence in hearts and minds of Pakistanis. Similarly Tableeghi Jamaat has the greatest religious influence on the Pakistani people (whether right or wrong, doesn't matter) as compared to Jamaat-e-Islami who is fully involved in dirty politics so much so that majority of Pakistanis wouldn't even bother spitting at.

      "Imran Khan who has challenged the corrupt political system of the country"

      Yes exactly…because he didn't get his share…firstly by getting kicked out in elections. Let me assure you, people of Pakistan will kick him harder in the next election because they really don't him in power to help him remain clean.

    • Muhammed Zafir Zia |

      Undoubtedly both Abdul Sattar edhi and Tableeghi Jamaat are doing great work. Edhi's contribution in the social sector cannot be ignored and the Tableeghi Jamaats role in imparting religious values and education is indeed commendable.

      Waisay there were people who made allelgations against Mr Edhi abt selling organs of humans……….Though these allegations are entirely rubbish and nonsensical but still there always are people who are jealous and extremely envious of popularity of others(mainly rivals).So false propaganda is done so as to tarnish the images of great personalities such as Edhi.

      But for making a difference at a large scale in a corrupt country one needs to get hold of the power and since Pakistan is a democratic country one has to be a part of the political process.

      u said that

      "Jamaat-e-Islami who is fully involved in dirty politics so much so that majority of Pakistanis wouldn’t even bother spitting at."

      As far as ur remarks abt Jamaat Islami are concerned it is absolutely absurd, make a balance sheet of all the religio political parties of Pakistan, the Jamaat Islami has made mistakes but still has been the only democratic party and the most principled party of Pakistan….

      It is Jamaat Islami which is also misfit in the Pakistani political arena as the civil-military bureacracy has always kept them away from the corridors of power. It is said that the only fair elections held in Pakistan was of 1970 which led to the creation of Bangladesh.

      So today you cannot conclude just by the election results about a party's popularity or not.

      u said

      "Yes exactly…because he didn’t get his share…firstly by getting kicked out in elections."

      what crap are u talking about……..Musharraf was giving Imran Khan the premiership of Pakistan in 2002 and he refused.

      Who kicked Imran out of elections? The APDM boycotted the 2008 elections and PTI neing a member of APDM boycott he elections.

      u said

      "Let me assure you, people of Pakistan will kick him harder in the next election because they really don’t him in power to help him remain clean."

      Time will tell who kicks whom….

      ALLAH HUMARA HAMI O NASIR HOO

    • Observer |

      Undoubtedly Edhi and IK have made tremendous contributions in their respective social work, BUT it is still far from enough to bring a real change in Pakistan. To make a real change it is a necessity to bring a change in the leadership. We don't need ant-democratic people like the terrorists from MQM. We need a fresh and new leadership IF we really want a positive development!

  • OneOf180MillionBegge |

    unaiza fatima only applauds Peer Kallan's accomplishments.

    She thinks people need photocopies of pay-stubs to declare altaf hussaain a paid agent, but she doesn't need photocopies of pay-stubs in case of the people she don't like and is ready to declare them paid mercenaries.

    • Observer |

      Isn't Altaf Kalias statement in India against the creation of Pakistan enough for these worshippers of kali mata?

  • Unaiza Fatima |

    Criminals should be dealt as criminals rather than seeking directions from non-democratic elements like Imran Khan. His good work does not give him a license to become a representative of enemies of Pakistan and Islam.

    Army is doing a wonderful job by eliminating this cancer called Tal1ban and we raise our hands in prayers for those jawans who laid thier lives for the sake of Islam and Pakistan. The nation will never forgive the blood of its innocents civilians, women, and children who were brutally murdered in markets, mosques, and other places by these worshippers of satan called Tal1ban.

    By advocating these butchers, Imran Khan has lost the last, if any bit of respect left in my heart. He is a man of an immoral past, a hypocritic present, and a nefarious future. He is not worth even spitting at.

  • dr jawwad khan |

    i think all credit should be given to imran khan.He raised this serious issue on time.

    there is no other solution of this crisis except peace and negotiation.current dreadful conditions of northeren areas and other parts of pakistan requires enormous political wisdom.

    there are three facts which every one needs to understand that:

    1) insurgency in tribal area is flourished by criminal foreign policy of "copmlete submission" adopted by the biggest thug in pakistan history,the pervez musharraf.

    2) TTP is a ground reality.TTP is force powered only by american attacks on pakistani soil.these attacks gives TTP unlimited supply of fresh recruits.

    3) "Eye for an Eye" rules the tribal area. A tribal pakhtoon filled with vengeance is the worst enemy one can afford.

    Now its time to get rid of man made disastor.Lets negotiate.

    lets isolate and push the foreign elements away from our outraged brothers.

    Lets deal this issue with peace and wisdom.

    Imran Khan should be saluted for his courage to come with this kind courageous, patriotic but unpleasent solution (esp for those who work for american agenda intentially or unintentionally).

    i believe that his stand will be supported by all patriots and religious circles of pakistan.

  • Muhammed Zafir Zia |

    People like you who do not know the ground reality and continue to make hue and cry are the problem of Pakistan.

    Our army is facing stiff resistence in Waziristan and army is facing high casualties because it is not easy to win from those who are willing and happy to die.

    The media is not allowed to portray the true image of the happenings and scenario of waziristan.

    This video is an ample proof of my statements above

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFoQIwtDaVQ

    We all love our army and are proud of them and do not want our army engage in a fight to kill our own people.If Imran Khan is willing to negotiate between the government and the Taliabn and restore peace, this would help save the precious lives of our army jawans.The Western border has never been a concern for Pakistan our policies have led us to this state

    The whole country will soon be spitting and kicking all those, who are towing the US agenda in Pakistan and forcing our army to fight a war which aint ours.

    ALLAH HUMARA HAMI O NASIR HOO

  • adnan |

    Negotiate with the Taliban? Are you kidding? These guys are paid killers and mercenaries who invoke the name of god to spread terror. Now that they are appropirately being dealt with by the Pakistani army, they're pleading for peace. Last time we tried peace with them, they spead their tentacles deeper into Pakistan. Only a fool would make the same mistake again. The Pakistan army has all my support to wipe out any trace of these cretins. And no, if they attack our forces, set up a medieval justice system, flog women, force men to grow beards, then they are not my countrymen. And any insinuation to that effect deeply infuriates me, along with millions of other Pakistanis.

    • Observer |

      "Negotiate with the Taliban? Are you kidding? These guys are paid killers and mercenaries who invoke the name of god to spread terror"

      Mercenaries? Yes, there might be small groups amongst them who are paid killers. Paid by the same nations, who want us to take action against them. The best strategy is to have the mainstream population of that area on our side and primarily let them deal with the terrorists. I refuse to believe that the vast majority of the local population are mercenaries/terrorists. On the other hand I know it for fact that Blackwater mercenaries are operating in Pakistan with the blessing of PPP and the army, the drones are still attacking on Pakistan soil, the Pakistani army is on the payroll of the Yankees and our "dear" politicians are also collaborating with the yankees. The vast majority of Pakistanis wouldn't vote for these actions if they knew the truth.

      Unfortunately the westernised elite are so good niggers that they would even sell their mother to gain the "shabash" of their masters, but read my words. They are not going to accept any of the brown sahibs either! They people you look up to are mostly racists!

  • Ahmed Zafar |

    @ Unaiza Fatima

    I just want to assure u that Imran Khan is a man of honour.. He is our national hero and just mind your tongue before saying this rubbish. In todays world he is the only pakistani politician who gets some bolls to atleast argue with those pathetic politicians like zardari, musharraf and altaf hussain. Just because of their nonsense policies we r in a state of war.. These are american's hippies i must say that.. and as far as Imran Khan is concerned he is a loyal pakistani and whatever he is doing is just for the betterment of pakistani people. He is a social worker and done so many incredible things on which we should feel proud!! i dont understand why people like u just come over here and make a chaos, know nothing abt the actual facts and just expose their hatred and stupid arguments.!!

    Today why we are far behind? just because we dnt respect our national heros and as far as imran khan is concerned, he is in the hearts of millions of pakistanis and whole youth is with him and they want him to become the next PM of pakstan and InshahALLAH he will be!! our prayers are always with him! Long live Imran Khan!

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      US Aid is engaged in social work and help in Pakistan on a much wider scale than Imran Khan. So why not consider USA as a hero?

      Why our nation has to pay a price for Imran Khan's social work if it is at the cost of accepting his proposal of actually negotiating with criminals and murderers. This is where we have come down over 60 years in our history. Very sad but true.

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      USAid is engaged in social work and help in Pakistan on a much wider scale than Imran Khan. So why not consider USA as a hero?

      Why our nation has to pay a price for Imran Khan’s social work if it is at the cost of accepting his proposal of actually negotiating with criminals and murderers. This is where we have come down over 60 years in our history. Very sad but true.

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      (Sorry for the obscuring icon and having to repeat the comment)

      USAid is engaged in social work and help in Pakistan on a much wider scale than Imran Khan. So why not consider USA as a hero?

      Why our nation has to pay a price for Imran Khan’s social work if it is at the cost of accepting his proposal of actually negotiating with criminals and murderers. This is where we have come down over 60 years in our history. Very sad but true.

  • farrah shah |

    Imran criticizes USA positively tells them what is right and what is wrong.How USA policy is affecting people in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    That is all we need.He has no hidden agenda he is famous world wide any way and his own name is credible.He is not hungry for power he has seen the charged crowds chanting his name around the world.

    Yet he has learned to be humble and has filled his life with charity work.

    Fighter he is and despite the maligning campaigns he faced it and proved the strength of his character.Far better than the cheap egocentric,lustful and loathsome greedy politicians.

    He is not apologetic quite on the contrary he is proud to be Pakistani.He will be heard in the corridors of power in Britain and around the world.That is all we need.

  • Observer |

    At the same time I say that Imran Khan is NOT perfect, but still (by far) the BEST choice for Pakistan in the current situation. Do critisize him, but do it in a professional and honest way and not like the usual PPP and MQM zombies and nor like the westernised elite!

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      "BEST choice"!!!

      So why the nation doesn't make him its BEST choice. He "political party" was humiliatingly rejected by nation in the election it participated, and then he kept himself away from the political process in one of the fairest elections in nation's history for the fear of another humiliating defeat. Why is it so?

      And now his support for the terrorists and mass murderers will take him further down the gutter where he will find new depths for himself and his "political" party.

    • dr jawwad khan |

      for Godsake unaiza!

      don't you think you are over reacting?

      why you become so "pakistani" today?

      where was your patriotism when MQM tried hard not to let the IDP's of swat entering in Karachi for refuge?

      and now you are shedding a crocodile tears for the same pakistanis who were slained.

      for Godsake come out of this ridiculous partyism.

      persistant turmoil on pakistan soil is an american agenda.

      and what Imran Khan is saying is the voice of the general public who want peace and stability in the counrty.

      this is ridiculous that Americans are trying hard to bring talibans on negotiating table while American touts on pakistani soil chanting for more fight…

      For Godsake forget the party line for a while.

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      . Jawwad

      This is not the answer to any of the points I have raised.

      So you think the general public wants peace by negotiating with these criminals?

      When we negotiated with them in Swat, as a result they got enough time to spawn further and statred threatening to take over Islamabad. It was only MQM at that time who was brave and patriotic enough to stand against this swarm of locusts. And now this Imran Khan wants us to get us into the same trap. Is he fairly convinced that he is dealing with a foolish nation. Sorry Khan saheb, we are not…!

      (Latest: These butchers have now slaughtered two dozen muslim Pakistanis today in ashura procession. Special thanks to Imran Khan and his esteemed social work)

    • shahid |

      how do u know it is these butcures,they could be black water,raw,or ur own intelligence agencies,who want pakistani people to hate taliban.unless u were there when planted the bomb.u bloody hypocrite

  • Unaiza Fatima |

    . According to the Constitution, this man (Imran Khan) is not even eligible to stand in the elections owing to his immoral and vulgar character in the past, and some people want him as president/PM…how ridiculous!

    • Observer |

      Blind hatred. Come on…let's have a sober discussion on the above mentioned issue instead of discussion personal matters. Then Altaf Kalia will be the first one to loose the head. Didn't he stand in India and say that the creation of Pakistan is big blunder?

      Get on track and give some sober arguments instead of the usual crap!

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      . So since we like Imran Khan so much, I think we should look forward into changing the constitution a little bit to make way for his premiership…because this is the ONLY way he can get into power and bring revolution for the nation that we all long for. And since we like him for his social work, we should follow his endorsement to surrender to the enemy who is engaged in open war against the religion and against the state. (I think that is sober enough.)

  • Unaiza Fatima |

    My hero is not Imran Khan who asks the nation to kneel down to the tal1ban butchers and accept thier demands. My hero is the Rangers trooper, a paid mercenary of the west, who grasped the terrorist to stay away from the crowd in Karachi ashura procession today and lost his life. He is one of my many such heroes.

    Mr. Imran Khan, enough is enough. Please keep your low profile cheap politics aside and let the nation deal with these criminals and as they should be dealt with.

    Alhamdulillah, Allah blessed the nation with success in Swat and will bless us with the same in Waziristan. It is the price the nation is paying to fight these monsters to save His "kalma-go" muslims. I pray to Allah that our sacrifices not go wasted.

  • dr jawwad khan |

    @unaiza !!

    my sincere condolences for those who lost their lives in khi. i can understand your anger and frustration.

    no serious person can endorse such attacks however this gives us the opportunity to handle this situation with utmost wisdom.

    MORE FORCE WILL RESULT IN MORE RETALIATION.

    may Almighty forgive and bless those who lost their lives in todays bomb blast but one should not forget those who lost their lives, homes and love ones just because our leaders and army generals love to take their salary in dollars.

    • Observer |

      @Jawaad

      Well said. All the inncocent lives lost are precious lives. We shouldn't be doing this for $$$$ or because certain segments of our rotten society has Islamofobia.

  • Ahmed Zafar |

    this woman (unaiza fatima) is mentally retarded… she is just showing her hatred for Imran Khan nothing else..!!

    go lady and get a life!!!

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      . You are right about hatred thing. I really hate Imran Khan for he is taking sides with the criminals. And I have a right to hate everyone who has slightest bit of sympathy for these criminals, butchers, and mass-murderers. I am sorry about that if you get offended.

  • Observer |

    @Unaiza

    Is your aim to derail te debate from the real issue or do you have any relevant counter argument to IK's proposal apart from personal attacks on IK?

  • Unaiza Fatima |

    . It is me who is actually sticking to the real topic, and it is you guys who are trying to derail the topic by bringing Altaf 'kalia' in the middle.

    To summarise my points on which I would like you to clarify your position and that would be a big favour to everyone.

    1. Imran Khan wants to broker negotiations with the terrorists and is trying to prove the terrorists view point

    that they are executing this mass murder of innocent Muslims in 'reaction' to the offensive in tribal region.

    – My question is:

    There were suicide attacks in Sindh Madarasa-tul-Islam and Imam Bargah near Numaish Karachi in 2004 where nearly a hundred Muslims were mercilessly slaughtered while praying. There was no military operation in tribal areas at that time. So what was it in reaction to?

    2. We saw the peace accord with the terrorists in Swat early this year, so were terrorist attack halted by any percent? The only thing that was gained were threats from terrorists to take over Islamabad and expansion of terror reign to adjacent areas. So what is Imran Khan wants to achieve now by talking of talks?

    3. If Imran Khan is popular by any percent, why his party was humiliatingly defeated in the electons he participated earlier? What stopped people from voting for him? And then why he kept his party away from people's judgement in one of the fairest elections in Pakistan's history. What is his party afraid of?

    4. Constitution of Pakistan only allows those from participating in elections who are of good character and are not commonly known to voilate Islamic Injunctions, (ref: article 62, Constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan). In view of the ruling of Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Anthony Jones about his paternity for his daughter, he cannot participate in any elections in Pakistan. So why some still discuss about any prospects of his premiership/presidency regardless of what the constitution says?

    These are one of the many question that lurk in my mind about Imran Khan and his proposals for the surrender of the nation against its very enemies.

    Pleas eenlighten me specifically over these aspects and I shall be thankful to you.

    • dr jawwad khan |

      2. We saw the peace accord with the terrorists in Swat early this year, so were terrorist attack halted by any percent?

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      in a state of war, civil war and insurgencies,interim peace deals remains highly vulnerable. history of wars and insurgencies proves that.

      swat peace deal was not "THE ULTIMATE PEACE AGREEMENT". it was merely a cease fire.

      taking over islamabad by few dozen armed personale? isn't the most ridiculous thing portrayed on media?

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      Unaiza baji!

      "MAIN HAJI, TU PAJI" ki girdan band kar dijiyay….MQM aisi farishta sift jamat naheen…..aur na hi Altaf hussain koee asman say utra huwa masoom nijat dahinda hay….

      Attacking people because of their past is not a good habbit.

      Are you telling us that Imran Khan have no remorse on his past and he lies all the time and he is still the same old play boy???

      kindly tell me that how "main haji, tu paji" makes any sense in a refrence of pakistani politics?

      ================================================

      Pakistan is on verge of destruction…every thing has been started collapsing…law and order, essential commodities, electricity, gas , petrol , dearth, sky touching prices, joblessness, street crimes, nerves of the common man…. every thing…

      it is the time for a national patriotic aaproach.

      it is the time to get rid of communal,provincial and linguistic prejudices.

      to extinguish a fire you need some thing which hs entirely opposite characteristic…..WATER. no body control the fire with more fire.

    • Muhammed Zafir Zia |

      Got to know through the comments here that Unaiza Fatima is the supporter of Altaf Hussain and MQM.

      @unaiza fatima

      It is due to Imran Khan's resolve and stand to expose the corruption and terrorist activities of Altaf Hussain and MQM that has resulted in extremely baseless allegations full of biases, against Imran by people like Unaiza who fear that very soon Altaf and his party MQM's,thugs and goons will have to suffer for all the malpractices and holding the city of Karachi hostage for about 2 decades.

      As far as MQM is concerned it is the biggest LOTA party, infact not a party but a mafia . No matter whosoever is in power it blackmails the governement and join the treasury benches.So having no morality and principles no one should talk about the politics of MQM. ALHAMDULILLAH i have enough concrete evidence and material to prove MQMs atrocities and crimes.

      Secondly operations are never the part of the solution whether it was "operation cleanup" against MQM started in 1992, or the "Lal Masjid" operation of 2007 which MQM strongly supported.

      Army has made blunders by to indulging in the politics. Politics is not their piece of cake, the politicians though how bad they are must be allowed to call the shots.

      I believe it is still the army which is ruling the country today, from CJP's restoration to the opposition against Kerry Luger and the operations in Swat and Waziristan all the decisions are being taken in the GHQ.

      The TTP has categorically deneied its involvement in the blasts at public places, these clarifications are given a very small place in the newspaper, u must read the clarifications. The TTP has said they will continue to attack army and LEA's as they have bombed the their houses and killed innocent civilians so therefore the army has to get out of this so called war on terror and cease to be the most allied ally of the US.

      Now to your 4 questions:

      1. Correct your info, the first military operation did start in 2004 but it has nothing to do with the bombings in the Imambargah, the enemies of Pakistan are cashing in due to the weak governance and security. To disrupt peace and fuel sectarian violence the enemies of Islam and Pakistan do tend to commit such heinous acts.

      2. Watch yesterdays “capital talk “ , Imran Khan and Afrasiyab Khatak of ANP were the guests. Hamid Meer stated that media is not allowed to report freely about the opeartion in Waziristan, only if a person follows the ISPR releases and army views then only a journalist is allowed to go and report. So therefore the media is not free yet and the reports that 20 militant dead , 30 militants dead are not wholly correct. It is totally rubbish believing that a handfull of taliban can capture Islamabad. Pak army is professional and it is outrageous that Taliban can defeat a 700,000 army. Innocent people are being killed and displaced in the Waziristan which helps Taliban in recruiting suicide bombers. So therefore by stopping the operation and indiscriminate killing will help in stopping the Taliban to recruit easily. One must know the ground reality and the true picture before commenting, which unfortunately is not known to the people.

      3. The elections are not the true depiction of a party’s popularity. The elections in Pakistan are engineered and the corrupt political system does not allow any honest individual to enter. The nexus of the civil –military establishment, bureaucracy,wadera’s and industrialists cannot bear anyone who wants to challenge the stus quo. Since Imran is a honest and upright individual he is not fit for the corrupt political arena of Pakistan. Though time is changing fast and Imran has gathered great support from the masses and soon a change is ought to occur.

      4. It is not you to decide about the character of a person contesting elections, The election commission of Pakistan is responsible so therefore either you challenge his nomination in the court or with due respect "shut up".

      ALLAH HUMARA HAMI O NASIR HOO

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      . Mr. Zia:

      1. Partly agreed.

      2. Partly agreed.

      But if media is not allow to show the true picture, the facts can be the other way round. Balance of probabilities goes in Pakistan Army's favour after the success of Swat operation where terrorists were neatly defeated whereby avoiding much civilian casualties.

      3. In 2008 elections, for the first time in history of Pakistan, even the losing parties accepted open heartly that it was a fair election. And this fairness expected beforehand. Imran Khan's and JI's decision to avoid participating in the elections clearly shows their fear of rejection from the people of Pakistan.

      4. MQM has, on several occassions, proposed to bring forward this personal character issue on legal grounds. It is likely that his hot pursuit for Altaf Hussain was stalled because of that.

      Adding to that, when Imran Khan asks for the resignation of ministers who have "allegations" of corruption, that is where his hypocrisy lies. In his own words, he said in November:

      “How could a person accused of serious crimes hold the highest public office?”

      It makes it clear his hypocritic personality. According to his own words, he shouldn't be contesting elections, yet he is struggling to get hold of power unconstitutionally through planning street agitation and begging for people's sentiments like you. In his case these are not just "allegations" but a court ruling.

      And I think the references that I bring forward in my comments should be confronted and answered with references rather than commenting about my mental retardation and suggesting me to 'shut up'… :-)

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      1. Partly agreed.

      2. Partly agreed.

      But if media is not allowed to show the true picture, the facts can be the other way round. Balance of probabilities goes in Pakistan Army’s favour after the success of Swat operation where terrorists were neatly defeated whereby avoiding much civilian casualties.

      3. In 2008 elections, for the first time in history of Pakistan, even the losing parties accepted open heartly that it was a fair election. And this fairness was expected beforehand. Imran Khan’s and JI’s decision to avoid participating in the elections clearly shows their fear of rejection from the people of Pakistan.

      4. MQM has, on several occassions, proposed to bring forward this personal character issue on legal grounds. It is likely that his hot pursuit for Altaf Hussain was stalled because of that.

      Adding to that, when Imran Khan asks for the resignation of ministers who have “allegations” of corruption, that is where his hypocrisy lies. In his own words, he said in November:

      “How could a person ACCUSED of serious crimes hold the highest public office?”

      It makes it clear his hypocritic personality. According to his own words, he shouldn’t be contesting elections, yet he is struggling to get hold of power unconstitutionally through planning street agitation and begging for people’s sentiments like you. In his case these are not just “allegations” but a court ruling.

      And I think the references that I bring forward in my comments should be confronted and answered with references rather than commenting about my mental retardation and suggesting me to ’shut up’… :-)

    • shahid |

      souds like this unaiza fatima has personal grudge against imran the way she has judge his past,souds like she use to hold the candle when imran was bussy with immoral acts,first of all i doubt she is true pakistani,she has to be indian or foriegn agent,bcoz people like her can c the suffering of mulims caused by these masters of hers but she can not see blood of her masters spilled, in retalliation.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    On a serious note I think MQM and PTI have a lot in common on the ideological base. What we need is that MQM pull themselves together [Observer]
    ===================

    Dear Sir,

    Please explain what is Common between PTI AND MQM in the light of Mr Imran’s news below.

    “QUOTE”
    Imran leaving for London to file case against Altaf
    Friday, May 23, 2008 ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan is leaving for London on May
    27 to file a terrorism case against the Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s self-exiled leader Altaf Hussain. http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=114269

    Imran for action against Altaf Friday, May 08, 2009
    By By Our Correspondent LAHORE [The News International]

    PAKISTAN Tehreek e Insaaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan has urged British Prime Minister Gordon Brown to take notice of criminal activities of MQM Quaid Altaf Hussain in the light of British laws on terrorism. In a letter written to Brown, the PTI called the PM’s attention to the activities of Altaf Hussain, who was granted the status of a British citizen after he had fled from Pakistan as a fugitive from justice.

    Imran wrote that at the time of Altaf’s arrival in London, he was facing 234 registered criminal cases including 44 murder charges and 18 torture charges. The PTI chief alleged that the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), the party headed by Altaf was controlled in ‘mafia-style’ with his word being the law. Detractors faced the ultimate punishment – death – carried out through the private armed force maintained at his Karachi barricaded headquarters known as Nine Zero, wrote Imran to the British premier.

    Holding Altaf Hussain responsible for the May 12 mayhem of 2007, Imran wrote that on Altaf’s order, his party was involved in the May 12, 2007 carnage in Karachi where 48 people lost their lives and 200 sustained bullet wounds, including 10 workers of the PTI. He added that Altaf-led MQM later went on to physically disrupt court hearings of this incident. Besides, alleging Altaf’s involvement in the recent killings in Karachi, Imran wrote that most recently, and at a time when the MQM was a coalition partner in the federal and provincial governments, Altaf Hussain (sitting in London) sought to incite ethnic violence and vigilantism by calling on his supporters to arm themselves and fight ‘Talibanisation’ a label he tried to put on the two million Pashtun workers of Karachi.

    Imran wrote that as a result 36 people were killed over two days of violence and when the Sindh inspector general of police implicated the MQM in his inquiry, they demanded his immediate removal. The PTI chief further wrote that in 2007, on two occasions, the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the MQM met the legal definition of a terrorist organisation and its members could not be given political asylum, adding, “the US State Department web site describes the MQM as a violent organisation”.

  • Observer |

    @Unaiza

    1.

    I can speak in principle about such acts since I don’t know much about the particular incidents you have mentioned, but let there be NO doubt that I will always condemn such terrorist acts and the terrorist act committed by ANIMALS the other day in KHI. That view of point is regardless of who is the culprit and the victim. Let there be NO doubt either that you CANNOT term a whole population as a terrorist outfit and bomb the hell out of them. I refuse to believe that the entire populations on our western borders are terrorists and should be dealt with military might…NO WAY!!! What we need to do is to ensure the easiest possible victory/solution. We have many hundreds of thousands armed people in that area. That it self is great neglect from the part of the past Pakistani governments that they have not been able to integrate these people into mainstream Pakistan….off course not in a rush, but slowly and steadily by development of those areas i.e. establishment of roads, schools, hospitals etc. Since we have failed on that account we cannot and must not act on the wish of foreign powers to ensure peace in that area in a RUSH. We need long lasting solutions and need to win the hearts and minds of the vast majority of peace loving people in that area, and when we have separated the good from the evil, then it is a matter of short while to deal with the foreign aided terrorists. In short: We need to distinguish between the different groups operating and we need to make peace with the moderate forces!

    2.

    One has to be honest. Whenever we have been talking to the opponents and have anywhere nearby a deal, then the Americans have rushed to Pakistan to ensure that “something” happened in order to break the deal. My point is that the Pakistani government has NEVER made a wholehearted effort to make a peace deal. It has always been a show with the aim to tell the nation that we tried our “level best”, when in reality there where no will power to make peace since it that would mean no $$$$ from Yankee land.

    3.

    Which elections are you referring to as the “fairest” elections in the history of Pakistan? And what does the term “fairest” elections cover. Does that mean acceptable elections? If you mean the last elections, then there is proof on youtube about how much rigging f.ex. MQM was engaged in. Btw: I don’t believe MQM was the sole party rigging. PPP, PML-Q and other participants may be equally engaged in rigging.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lae7S626O1U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvXOkD5HYQ&NR

    I don’t know the exact numbers of PTI popularity right now, but I assume that PTI is even more popular than at the election time in 2008. Anyways my personal opinion is NOT based on how many follow the same political party as I do. I make my own decisions based on what I believe in. If the particular party I support tastes defeat I don’t feel humiliated since I can stand the distance regarding my point of view. I will only support a party which suits my point of view, which has nothing to do with personal interests/gain. AND since when has right or wrong anything to with numbers? Are you saying that PPP is following the right policies, because it was the biggest party in the 2008 elections?

    Why did PTI not participate in the elections? I think you know the reason very well. The judiciary movement had a call i.e. don’t participate in 2008 elections. Initially PML-N supported the idea, but made a very typical u-turn thus PTI and JI were stranded but stood their ground on what they had promised i.e. no participation in elections since we had a judicial crisis. If all the parties or at least PML-N had stood together and demanded the reinstatement of CJP, then there would have been no way out for Musharraf than to reinstate CJP, but unfortunately all parties disappointed except PTI and JI. Off course we couldn’t expect a boycott from nor MQM and PML-Q since these two parties had been collaborating with the establishment since the past any years. Isn’t that strange that a party which says they are anti-establishment and anti-jagirdar is collaborating with both a jagirdar party and the establishment? If you haven’t guessed it, then I am thinking about MQM ;-)

    On a serious note I think MQM and PTI have a lot in common on the ideological base. What we need is that MQM pull themselves together and do what they preach and especially denounce terrorism!

    4.

    Look Uniaza, One has to be fair. What he did in his young age is a personal character flaw. What he did was WRONG. He has repeatedly said that. In Islam forgiveness in this kind of personal issues is a matter between a human being and God the Almighty. If he has done anything which he can be convicted for then please go ahead and make your case instead of a yelling contest. Why don’t you go to a court of law. MQM is indeed a part of the government and should be in the prime position to act! IMO he has not stolen from anybody or harmed anyone physically. On that account I don’t believe he can be touched in court of law. What you are speaking about is something which happened decades ago, and thus at that time he WAS NOT of purely good character. As earlier mentioned he regrets those acts and that’s a matter between him and God, and the case is that for the past MANY he is of a GOOD CHARACTER.

    What is your opinion? Do you think a personal flaw from the past (15+ years) is enough to ban a politician for life? If the answer is yes then please give a plausible explanation on why you believe so i.e. reference to Qur’an and constitution.

    Btw: Can you enlighten us on why Altaf is sitting in London for the past decade in spite of his party being in the government?

    • Unaiza Fatima |

      . Who is discussing about MQM here? It is about Imran Khan and his stand for the terrorists.

    • Observer |

      That's too convenient for you. I have answered all your questions.

      Re. Altaf. I put him in so you can show that you have the same yardstick for INSAF for everybody including Altaf or is he above the law? If you cannot or will not answer that part then it is your SELECTIVE justice, which will be exposed if you avoid to adress the issue :-)

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    Both parties says they will do something for the oppressed minorities. In MQM it is primarily the so called "muhajirs", but why stop there? Why not say all oppressed people of Pakistan including the other minorities and the provinces, which don't get there share? Btw: I don't consider the urdu speaking people as Muhajirs. They are as much Pakistanis as anyone else!

    Both parties are anti-establishment.

    Both parties are anti-jagirdars

    Both parties are primarily working for the betterment of living condition for the common man.

    The major obstacle for working together with MQM's is they use terrorism to meet their goals and that the do the opposite of what they say. F.ex. they say they are anti-establishment/anti-jagirdar, but work very fine together with dictators/establishment and maybe the biggest jagirdar party=PPP.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Feudal Party!!!. What about Imran Khan's joint press conference with Sardar Mumtaz Ali Khan Bhutto?? Is Mumtaz an street vendor or Typical Feudal above all what about the fate of Loud Mouth Claim of Imran Khan mentioned as under:

      “QUOTE”

      Imran leaving for London to file case against Altaf

      Friday, May 23, 2008 ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan is leaving for London on May

      27 to file a terrorism case against the Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s self-exiled leader Altaf Hussain. http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=114269

      Imran for action against Altaf Friday, May 08, 2009

      By Our Correspondent LAHORE [The News International]

    • Observer |

      @Aamir

      I would have expected a better response from you on this issue. You know very well that two important facts on this issue.

      – UK is NOT interested in a case against Altaf. He can turn out to be willing fool in the future i.e. a tool to destabilise Pakistan.

      – MQM is sitting in the government. How do you expect that the Pakistani government will allow access to the witnesses and other material of evidence?

      Come on….get out of the closet!

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Do you even remember that Imran Khan had approached General Retd Naseerullah Babar for the evidence against Altaf Hussain to present the same in UK Courts after 12 May 2007 and now read the same Naseerullah Babar on MQM:

      He criticized the MQM decision to join forces with the opposition. He said the MQM should join the government for the sake of peace in Karachi. [General Babar]

      ‘Bill to cut president down to size this week’ Monday, April 14, 2008 News Desk http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?I

  • Aamir Mughal |

    The major obstacle for working together with MQM’s is they use terrorism to meet their goals and that the do the opposite of what they say. F.ex. they say they are anti- establishment/anti-jagirdar, but work very fine together with dictators/establishment and maybe the biggest jagirdar party=PPP. [Observer]

    =====================

    MQM shared power from 2002 to 2007 with PML-Q [is this party a party of Street Vendors??] and Establishment [read General Musharraf, he was COAS and Uniformed Clad President]

    Imran Anti-Establishment???

    Musharraf was very much Establishment in 2002 [he was wearing a Military Uniform during the Sham Referendum of 2002]. There was a Leader in PTI i.e. Mairaj M Khan [a true middle class politician] and had Imran Khan been attentive to Mairaj's advice, Imran and PTI would have been in much better postion.

    Is this Anti Establishment Behaviour?

    Islamabad, April 9: Pakistani cricket legend-turned politician Imran Khan on Tuesday backed the referendum to be held next month to decide the future of President Pervez Musharraf but his fledgling Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf headed for trouble as some of its leaders have opposed it openly. REFERENCE: Press Trust of India Posted online: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 at 1518 hours IST

    How that Sham Referendum of Musharraf was won and Imran Khan and PTI was accessory to that Fraud as well.

    REFERENCE: How the Referendum was Won [MONTHLY NEWSLINE MAY 2002] http://newsline.com.pk/NewsMay2002/cover1.htm REFERENCE: Constructing Consent – A poor turnout in Balochistan is bolstered by some help from official quarters. By Shahzada Zulfiqar [MONTHLY NEWSLINE MAY 2002] http://newsline.com.pk/NewsMay2002/cover4.htm "Either I could lie to save my job, or tell the truth to save my character" Justice (Retd.) Tariq Mahmood By Savair Akram [MONTHLY NEWSLINE MAY 2002] http://newsline.com.pk/NewsMay2002/cover5.htm

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    I have never said that PTI is a party of saint, but nevertheless they have the ability to admit a mistake. Those you defend don't have the ability to admit a deliberate mistake either let alone a a genuine mistake. The party you are defending has made numerous human rights violations and direct involvement in terrorist activities.

    Do you deny that?

    What is your own point of view? You cannot sit on the fence and point fingers at each and everybody to claim moral high ground. That is too easy, my friend. Come out of the closet and show your true colors!

    IMO no matter who we elect will have more or less flaws. Nobody is perfect, but the fact of the matter is what level of faults can we tolerate? Is the level of PTI faults acceptable or is it PPP, MQM or PML-N who will decide the lowest common denominator? Look at the bigger picture and please come out of the closet!

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Where did I defend any party [as you have alleged] whereas you were comparing MQM and PTI! Sir, I am not in the closet but rather live in harsh real world. Pragmatic Politics is ruthless in the third world and sorry to say PTI is revolves around Imran's personality [like any other political party] and please tell me about the presence/existence of PTI in Political Map of the Country.

    • Observer |

      @Aamir

      "Where did I defend any party"

      Maybe you mean "Where did I defend any [single] party"

      What is the purpose of pointing the fingers 360 degrees?

      What is the solution?

      To accept the harsh and bitter realities on the ground and making dirty deals?

      Can we afford that? Are you not afraid there might not be a country named Pakistan as we know it today in the near future if we continue the dirty business?

      Why not aim for the perfect and maybe be content with less due to certain obstacles?

      Why does one get the impression that you think everybody is faulty and thus nobody can change the system?

      Let's hear your views. What do you think is the solution in the above mentioned case i.e. how can Pakistan solve the problem on our western borders?

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Another solution is Continuous Electoral Process [without any hindrance] and PTI/Imran Khan's active participation in it from every constituency, with vibrant media and of course Civil Society's Watch Dog Character.

    • Observer |

      Off course, we don’t need the army to mess up any more. Enough is enough.

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    There is big difference between sitting with a jagirdar and making policies for the betterment of a street vendor and sitting with a jagirdar and working for the opposite. Name a few succesful policies of the current government in which MQM is a party. I'll help you a little bit with some issues:

    – Electricity

    – inflation

    – Terrorism

    – Sugar

    – roads

    – sanitary

    – hospitals

    – education

    Where has the common man benefitted?

    Maybe we off topic again :-(

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Let me ask you about the Policy Paper of PTI on the above Issue, suggest measures and program and contest election whenever held and implement rather enforced PTI Program.

    • Observer |

      Isn't that a typical reply? I ask for your opinion and you raise new questions instead….lol. Come on, Aamir. You can do better than that!

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Imran Khan and PTI have excellent Planning, Measures and Program for Pakistan, but please tell us all as to how PTI/Imran Khan would implement that program. What would be the mode of their implementation?

    • Observer |

      @Aamir

      Isn't that a quite a vast issue. Maybe we should let it rest and discuss another time. let's get further we the "strategic depth" issue :-)

  • Syed Ali Raza Abidi |

    Ahmed Nadeem Ghela = Observer = MQM Phobia = Hates American Gora's = Calls Altaf Hussain Kaalia

    Ironic Moron?

    • Observer |

      @Ali Raza

      Yes, I have MQM phobia as long as they are indulged in terrorist activities.

      No, I don’t hate Americans and nor do I hate my Urdu speaking brothers! American government policies is a different issue and I do NOT want undue American involvement in Pakistan’s internal matters!

    • Syed Ali Raza Abidi |

      ANG: Please give solid proof of your claims. You are Lawyer yourself, I am sure you know this term to proove unless otherwise it is all alledged? or a Liar only?

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Let’s hear your views. What do you think is the solution in the above mentioned case i.e. how can Pakistan solve the problem on our western borders? [Observer]

    ====================

    Solution is "Wind up the Strategic Depths"

    • Observer |

      What does that mean?

      a. Stop supporting Taliban in Afghanistan? Does Pakistani army still support them?

      b. Continue the military onslaught on our own citizens without differentiating between the groupings?

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nobody is challenging Pakistan's National Interest.

      It is an old rule of Intelligence Agency that when you use somebody for Intelligence Operation against anyone and anywhere then you keep that asset safe and hidden from Public Eye. But how would you define that several such Organizations which were used during all these years have open offices around the country???? If that doest not satisfy you then read this:

      "QUOTE"

      And this takes me back to Pervez Musharraf’s first visit to the US after his coup. At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.” Pakistani neocons and UN sanctions Khalid Hasan This entry was posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 6:00 pm.

      "UNQUOTE"

    • Observer |

      @Aamir yaar,

      Do you deliberately avoid answering questions? You have the potential to give plausible reasons/explanations on the issue because of your background. Not that I will necessarily will agree with, but that requires you come out of the closet :-)

      Or do you live somewhere it is a risk to air the opinion because of a terrorist outfit?

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Sir,

      I am not avoiding any of your questions rather pointing out some leads and tips to you to have some clues. How can I pinpoint by naming anyone without any proof. I am least bothered as to who read me and what harm anybody could do to me. Death is the only thing which is Guaranteed so why fear any kind of Terrorist Outfits.

      I have a moral courage to write my comment using my real name and id with the background as well [do you have that courage since you on a different forum were talking about Soft Revolution]. Read about our Strategic Depths: 9 -11 & Said Bahaji: Right under the Nose of Bush, Musharraf and Mahmud. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/10/9-11-sai

  • Aamir Mughal |

    @Aamir Isn’t that a quite a vast issue. Maybe we should let it rest and discuss another time. let’s get further we the “strategic depth” issue :-) [Observer]

    ===========

    Sir,

    You asked for it, now coming back to Strategic Depths and Intelligence Psy Ops Blunders, and one such blunder is this:

    "QUOTE"

    And while the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi stand officially disbanded, their most militant son and leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, an accused in several cases of sectarian killing, contested elections from jail – albeit as an independent candidate – won his seat, and was released on bail shortly thereafter.

    REFERENCE: The 'General' Good By Sairah Irshad Khan Monthly Newsline January 2003

    General's Election By TIM MCGIRK / KHANA-KHEL Monday, Oct. 07, 2002

    "UNQUOTE"

  • Syed Ali Raza Abidi |

    Imran Khan's PTI and Munnawer's JI – did not have the courtesy or the will to go hospitals to visit the injured or to the homes of the dead in their localities. What does this mean?

    REVOLUTION?

    • Observer |

      What are talking about?

      Btw: I assure you I don't even know ANG. Maybe Teeth Maestro can confirm that by looking at the IP address. I have no problem with that.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      dr jawwad khan says: – September 30, 2009 at 1:00 am

      @Amir mughal! – the knowledge needs a clear mind.if your let your mind polluted by taking side against the authentic information and the facts,then there is high porababilities that you shall go astray in the state of confusion.

      for example myself.as you have noticed that i hate shias more than any one else The Brouhaha over Blackwater continues

      Posted by Teeth MaestroSeptember 27, 2009

  • Aamir Mughal |

    @Aamir yaar, Do you deliberately avoid answering questions? You have the potential to give plausible reasons/explanations on the issue because of your background. Not that I will necessarily will agree with, but that requires you come out of the closet :-) Or do you live somewhere it is a risk to air the opinion because of a terrorist outfit? [Observer]

    ==================

    This may help to understand Intelligence Blunder while conducting Psy Ops.

    "QUOTE"

    Asif Ali Zardari told this scribe that Ejaz Shah had old links with Islamic radicals. He claimed that Shah was the person who managed the surrender of Omer Sheikh in 2002, a suspect in the killing of American journalist Daniel Pearl.

    Asif Ali Zardari is sure that people like Ejaz Shah have encouraged Islamic radicals to attack Benazir Bhutto. In fact, Ejaz Shah was the home secretary of the Punjab in 2002. He belongs to Nankana Sahib area of the Punjab. Mother of Omer Sheikh was also from Nankana Sahib. When the security agencies raided the house of Omerís grandparents in Nankana Sahib, Ejaz Shah contacted the uncle of the alleged terrorist who was a sessions judge at that time. The uncle convinced his nephew through Ejaz Shah to surrender and that was how Omer Sheikh was arrested. REFERENCE: Why Benazir points finger at IB chief Saturday, October 20, 2007 By Hamid Mir http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id

    "UNQUOTE"

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    For Gods sake, where is your opinion in all these ”khabrain”. I want you to come out of the closet and explain what you mean exactly by “strategic depth”, if you will. Otherwise I can also make numerous links and copy and paste to confuse the debate.

    You know my postings at many places. If someone wants to find out who I am and want to send me to f.ex. Guantanamo, then it’s quite an easy job provided they have access to the required information, IP address etc. For those who are interested in that kind of activities it is no problem to find out that. My main reason for using another username is NOT to hide my true identity, but rather to let the debate be free – even amongst friends or people I might know etc. Maybe you know something about me than others on this blog ;-)

    “Death is the only thing which is Guaranteed so why fear any kind of Terrorist Outfits.”

    I like this, please continue on this road!

    Re. your link to your blog. Isn’t that what I am speaking against i.e. SELECTIVE justice, which means you ban those you don’t like and allow your buddies do what they want.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      I haven't banned anybody [read my blogs in detail and then be judgmental] from my blog and you may find comment of Dr Awab and many others. My opinion is in between the lines of these events [links/news] and I am sure you read between the lines. I will not opine on anything without clear proofs.

      Sir,

      You are demanding Free Debate and yet hiding behind Pseudonym and that is my dear Sir, is not a free debate. Me and Dr Jawwad have severe ideological differences with each other but at least he has the courage to write with his real name. You are demanding me to out from closet yet you are still hiding.

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    Cool down, I was referring to Musharrafs SELECTIVE justice and nothing against you…..LOL ;-)

    If you want believe I am coward then so be it. I have told my reason for using a another name.

    • Observer |

      @Aamir,

      Waht is going on, my friend? What did I say? That YOU can see my real name on Facebook not everybody else on this blog.

      That is not the issue ahead. Are you willing to explain the “strategic depth” remark?….I mean in your own words i.e. YOUR opinion.

  • jeebhi |

    It may be wish-ful thinking of Imran Khan, but I don’t think any side would be ready for negotiations…

    On one hand there is a group who think there deaths would be awarded with a place in heaven and then there is another group who has attitude of Fir-oun and has unlimited supply of funds and arms (Pakistan Army aka Pakistani-Black-Water).

    I think Imran Khan should focus on opening another branch of Shaukat khanum Hospital for people of Sindh.

    I’m not a big fan of Imran Khan, but I appreciate his humanitarian efforts.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Somersaults of Imran Khan: Imran says he got positive response from Taliban Friday, December 11, 2009 By Ansar Abbasi – ISLAMABAD [The News International and Daily Jang] REFERENCES: Imran says he got positive response from Taliban By Ansar Abbasi Friday, December 11, 2009 http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=212… and same Imran Khan during April 2009 – “Sufi Mohammad is not just violating the Swat accord, he is going against the Holy Quran by breaking promises.” The ceremony, which was held under tight security, had separate seating arrangements for women activists. http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-