Following the bomb blast in Karachi – life generally goes on, but the people, the shopkeepers, the families who have suffered shall never forget the day an unruly mob changed their lives forever. Here I happened to photograph this shopkeeper on MA Jinnah Road who sits helplessly watching as many fire tenders try their best to douse the flames that have left his shop in ruin, little can he do to undo the damage that has already been done. But life must go on…… Pakistani have learnt to be very resilient in the face of insurmountable difficulties, they pick up from the ruins and continue with daily life. Here this shopkeeper was naturally furious but was looking forward to getting back to his shop and rebuilding it from scratch. Life must go on…
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93 responses to “The Aftermath of the MA Jinnah Road Bomb Blast”
My heart bleeds for both the victims, the traders and my traumatized city; which is the greatest city in the world, KARACHI.
Obviously, what happened was unwanted but look at the law enforcement authorities criminal silence over the rioters and arsonists apart from a total coldness of those who robbed and burned which is the typical destructive South Asian herd behavior…Sad, Sad!
Indeed it is tragic. Loss of wealth could be tolerated but loss of Innocent Lives. May Allah bless them in Heavens and have mercy on their soul:
Chishti Sahab has raised a genuine question as to where were the Law Enforcers.
De facto Sindh CM finally transferred Monday, April 21, 2008 By Hamid Mir http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
KARACHI: Where were Rangers during recent riots? By Sabihuddin Ghausi January 03, 2008
http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/03/local7.htm
Disappearance of police and Rangers from streets and roads after devastating bomb blasts and target killings in Karachi has become a routine feature during the last few years. Motorists, shopkeepers, petrol pumps and the public on roads become easy target of armed assailants, who come from nowhere and disappear after completing their mission.
Chishti Sahab raised a genuine question. Even after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto…
KARACHI: Where were Rangers during recent riots? By Sabihuddin Ghausi January 03, 2008 [Dawn]
Disappearance of police and Rangers from streets and roads after devastating bomb blasts and target killings in Karachi has become a routine feature during the last few years. Motorists, shopkeepers, petrol pumps and the public on roads become easy target of armed assailants, who come from nowhere and disappear after completing their mission.
De facto Sindh CM finally transferred Monday, April 21, 2008 By Hamid Mir
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
ISLAMABAD: The man who has ruled Sindh as a de facto chief minister for many years finally lost his powers on Saturday.
Brigadier Huda, who was an ISI commander in Sindh, was in fact the caretaker of the MQM-PML-Q provincial coalition government. He was responsible for running the coalition in a smooth manner. All major decisions were taken after his consultation.
Somersaults of Mullahs.
Blackwater involved in Karachi catastrophe, says Mufti Usmani
Updated at: 2050 PST, Wednesday, December 30, 2009
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=94853
Just before the Start of Operation in SWAT in April 2009 this Filth “Muftis Usmani Brothers”:
“QUOTE”
As per latest update of GEO TV – Updated at: 1238 PST, Monday, April 27, 2009 – Ulema delegation leaves for Swat
Updated at: 1238 PST, Monday, April 27, 2009 http://www.geo.tv/4-27-2009/40800.htm
And almost 2 years back the same Mullahs:
No Wafaqul Madaris support for Jamia Hafsa Sunday, April 15, 2007
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200…
No Wafaqul Madaris support for Jamia Hafsa
Staff Report
KARACHI: The most important Deoband madrassa board, Wafaqul Madaris Al Arbia Pakistan, that controls 10,000 seminaries across the country with 1.6 million students, announced Saturday that it was not in favour of the methods adopted by the Jamia Hafsa, especially the siege of the children’s library, as taking the law into their own hands was not acceptable in any circumstances.
Police warn 34 clerics of attacks Staff Report
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200…
“UNQUOTE”
Qazi Hussain Ahmed condemns Sufi Muhammad, Munawar Hasan Condemns Sufi Muhammad, Imran Khan condemns Sufi Muhammad but Wafaqul Madaris Mullahs and Muti Rafi Usmani and Taqi Usmani support Sufi Muhammad!!! Where should people go???
Imran says TNSM chief breaking pledges By Our Staff Reporter Monday, 27 Apr, 2009 | 03:02 AM PST
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Somersaults of Mullahs.
Blackwater involved in Karachi catastrophe, says Mufti Usmani Updated at: 2050 PST, Wednesday, December 30, 2009 [The News]
Just before the Start of Operation in SWAT in April 2009 “Muftis Usmani Brothers”:
“QUOTE”
As per latest update of GEO TV – Updated at: 1238 PST, Monday, April 27, 2009 – Ulema delegation leaves for Swat
Updated at: 1238 PST, Monday, April 27, 2009
And almost 2 years back the same Mullahs:
No Wafaqul Madaris support for Jamia Hafsa Sunday, April 15, 2007 – No Wafaqul Madaris support for Jamia Hafsa
Staff Report
KARACHI: The most important Deoband madrassa board, Wafaqul Madaris Al Arbia Pakistan, that controls 10,000 seminaries across the country with 1.6 million students, announced Saturday that it was not in favour of the methods adopted by the Jamia Hafsa, especially the siege of the children’s library, as taking the law into their own hands was not acceptable in any circumstances.
Police warn 34 clerics of attacks Staff Report [Daily Times 2007]
“UNQUOTE”
Qazi Hussain Ahmed condemns Sufi Muhammad, Munawar Hasan Condemns Sufi Muhammad, Imran Khan condemns Sufi Muhammad but Wafaqul Madaris Mullahs and Muti Rafi Usmani and Taqi Usmani support Sufi Muhammad!!! Where should people go???
Imran says TNSM chief breaking pledges By Our Staff Reporter Monday, 27 Apr, 2009 | 03:02 AM PST [DAWN]
If Mufti Usmani said so, he is a SOB.
Nothing could be worse than defending the action of criminals under the cloak of being aalim. Even tal1ban claimed responsibility for this barbarism. This SOB Usmani is a liar and a shame for Islam and Pakistan. May he go straight to hell InshaAllah.
@Unaiza Fatima
The CCTV footage shows the real culprits which are the Shiite workers of MQM, who were part of the Azadari Jaloos. Rafi Usmani is a respected and moderate Aalim. He doesn't need certificate for the person like you.
Did you check their ID Card, their party card and religious affiliation. Wearing black dress is not good enough evidence.
Unaiza Fatima,
One may differ from Rafi Usmani, but cursing him??? I wouldn't do it even if I don't follow their teachings.
Is this what you wasted your life in persuing? ignorance???
Thanks for opening up your real-self so people know how ugly you are from inside.
I really didn't expect you would be such a low-life.
. Oh ok…so he is a "respected" aalim, so he has the special privilege to try covering up the criminals and enemies of Islam under his esteemed cloak. He is worse than the criminals because this man, Usmani, is under the guise of a muslim and a scholar…a wolf in sheep's clothing.
At least one good thing turned out in this fiasco that it has brought in spot light the real ugly faces of those who call themselves aalim and religious scholars…with a few respected exceptions of course.
Open lies by an aalim would make an aalim a liar, and not turn a lie into truth.
Unaiza Fatima,
They might not be your *alims* but this does not mean you curse them. They have their opinions, they may not be *democratic* alims, who only say what pleases people.
Should I call you a bitch or whore, because you have a different opinion that I don't like? I don't think so. If I do that, there will be no difference between you and me.
Please learn some manners. If your parents were busy while you were growing up, then you should catchup before its too late for your own kids.
QaimKhani says: -December 31, 2009 at 10:34 am
Dhobeee kaa khutaaa, ghar kaa naa ghaat kaaa
Dear Qaim Khani Sahab,
How about you learning some manners, read you own comment above before lecturing others on manners.
Amir Mughal defending the corrupts of PPP
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/12/07/corruption-is…
He would go miles to defend the corrupt attitude of PPP-haram-khours and at other times he would try to be the watch dog on any one.
Dhobeee kaa khutaaa, ghar kaa naa ghaat kaaa
TV Channels and their anchor [Read PKPOLITICS – 2009-07-02]
Five journalists who were in the waiting list are:
1- Rauf Klasra, Cat-II, Seniority Number-29
2- Amir Mateen, Cat-II, Seniority Number-14
3- Kiani Khaleeq Ahmad Khan, Cat-II, Seniority Number-25
4- Javed Chaudhry, Cat-II, Seniority Number-20
Journalist Corruption Scandal – Rauf Klasra
Karachi BLAST — BOMBING & LOOTING
Everyone is doing politics on the blood & money of innocent plp.
Political parties are highly involved.
Why a re-known minister belongs to a re-known political party (who own 150 shops at bolton market) sold all of his shop just a month before..
Has he been alarmed, just a month back, however these shops were 40 years old.
Politics is highly involved.
Just watch a video after the blast..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3NragJRV5I
Those who lost lives, cannot be recovered, this lost cannot be filled, its really tragic for their family for whole life, but those whose shops has been burnt, must be recovered. and Govt should help them all.
These businessman were getting threatened from last 2 years to shift the shop. They don't know that in this manner it will be done.
Allah bless us all.
My vocabulary is not very good but I have lost words how to express myself,behind every tragedy there is a secret maze of conspiracies,influence ,corruption,bribery ,and the links after links….
Exhaustive!! but you know I am adament it is the person who sets the fire who is responsible.
@Ikram
Could u please name that minister? If not here than please send it me at talkhaba@gmail.com I will verify it
It's not enough to ask where rangers where and where the police was….what about the city Nazim? What was his action on this tragic event apart from coming on Kamran Khan show to "clear" his own position?
What we need is an INDEPENDENT investigation, which means that those parties, on who fingers has been pointed at, must not be a part of the investigation team.
Off course we also need independent investigations on 12.th May and the burning of the lawyers.
Why doesn't PPP and MQM ensure that? They form the current government, so it's their duty to do it! JUST DO IT!!!
City Nazim's statement on Kamran Khan show is good enough because Criteria of Truth is Kamran Khan Show nowadays, do remember what Kamran Khan used to telecast on Corruption Stories and also dont forget how Kamran Khan covered 12 May 2007.
@Aamir
Usual "weasel out" talk from you. I am not demanding that Kamran Khan must investigate. I am demanding your bosses and the allied of your bosses to start an INDEPENDENT investigation. There so many unanswered question that we MUST do it!!!
“Where was the contingency plan and the Anti-Riot Force? Why did personnel of law enforcement agencies vanish from the spot? Where was the extra force provided to the Sindh Police to tackle any untoward situation, none of which was seen rescuing public and private properties?
When miscreants were targeting major business centres like Boulton Market, Paper Market, Light House and others, where were the reserves of the Sindh Police? Where were the water cannons with which the Sindh Police Department was recently equipped?
Why did the police term the Qasba Morr blast on Muharram 9th a gas explosion? If that was so, where did the splinters come from and how the people received splinters injuries? After the two bomb blasts on the 8th and 9th of Muharram, why did the heads of law enforcement agencies not tighten the security along the Ashura procession? ”
Full article: http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
What is your opinion? Do you demand an INDEPENDENT investigation?
They are not my bosses Sir, and do read your own first statement and read your query "“Where was the contingency plan and the Anti-Riot Force? Observer says: December 31, 2009 at 3:00 pm
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Observer says: – December 31, 2009 at 2:28 pm – It’s not enough to ask where rangers where and where the police was
Where is your opinion?
You have answered your own question above "Independent Investigation". But again was any Independent Commission ever completed or published its Report e.g. Ojhri Camp????
We cannot afford to dwell in the past. If we want to move on, then we need to take the bull by the horns and do what is right!
You refuse to come out of the past 🙁
That's a typical "Aamir Mughaæ" behaviour to point fingers at the past misdeeds.
I want justice for all!!!
Sir, First you ask question and then you expect that answers would be of your choice and that doesn't happen. Answers/Solutions lie in the Past by analyzing our own misdeeds as to where we have gone wrong and correct that mistake would easily solve the present problem/mess we are in. You want Justice for all, suggest some measures!
Observer says: – December 31, 2009 at 3:22 pm – Where is your opinion?
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In your own question above “Independent Investigation” – What we need is an INDEPENDENT investigation, which means that those parties, on who fingers has been pointed at, must not be a part of the investigation team.
What about Nazim?
Police and Rangers are not under Nazim. And Nazim's good work is already appreciated! Karachi Nazim doing excellent job: CJ SC seeks report on trees cutting in Lahore Wednesday, December 02, 2009 By our correspondent http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=211…
Is it hard to find these people?
Quite clear pictures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q54g5fqYBQo&fe…
Sir,
Have you been to Karachi lately? Do you know about the population, concrete jungle, shanti town in Karachi. Those who were burning, looting and pillaging were just pawns, those who control these hoodlums should be sought. Why most of them were wearing Black Clothes? This was an effort to divert this Tragedy towards more horrendous plan that is to start Sectarian Strife and which will ultimately affect Gas Pipeline plan with Iran. Guess who is the ultimate beneficiary if another Front is open in Pakistan.
That's exactly why the government (PPP and MQM) MUST do QUICKLY to ensure that enemies of Pakistan don't succeed.
What I fail to understand is why Blackwater and FBI can roam around freely. Can you explain that?
Reference and news please.
Are you denying it?
Look at Dr. Mehwish thread on this blog and also watch/read this:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/24/blackwater…
DEAR ALL,
KINDLY SEE ALL ARROUND YOU…..
BECAUSE OUR NATION REQUIRED A LEADER………………..
@Aamir
Don't be a lurk fit. Let's hear your opinion without copy & paste (only), please. Come out of the closet!
Copy paste is much better as compare to raising false accusation based on hate against communities.
False accusations?
Are you still thinking about Jatoi in the cat house and he admitted taking bribes is his right?
No Sir, I used the word "Communities" above and I meant the way some members here raised accusation on the basis "Black Shoe", "Black Clothes" and Sectarian/Ethnic divide.
@Aamir
If you are pointing the fingers towards me regarding the clothing issue, then you are outright dishonest. I said I heard that and wanted confirmation from others who new better. What'swrong in that? Go back and read and stop being like a spoilt kid!
Observer says: – December 31, 2009 at 4:28 pm – @Aamir If you are pointing the fingers towards me regarding the clothing issue, then you are outright dishonest. I said I heard that and wanted confirmation from others who new better. What’swrong in that? Go back and read and stop being like a spoilt kid!
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Did I say anywhere that you said that??
FBI:
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/12/30/american-forc…
Blackeater:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091207/scahill
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/24/blackwater…
Observer says: – December 31, 2009 at 4:16 pm – What I fail to understand is why Blackwater and FBI can roam around freely. Can you explain that?
REPLY – Aamir Mughal says: December 31, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Reference and news please.
REPLY – Observer says: December 31, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Are you denying it?
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Where did I deny, I have just asked for the reference, reference like this:
CIA, Blackwater, Pakistan, & Blackwater as per Jeremy Scahill http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/08/cia-blac…
Why do you ask then?
Any need for some traffic on your blog 😉
Sir,
There are no ads on my blog so why would I need your help to generate traffic [to get money] on my blog?
UK had massive race and football riots.
How they were controlled,anyone recorded on the CCTV footage was published in the paper ,on the TV the images were shown until the people were caught (with the help of family ,friends ,society )and were presented before magistrates and punishment was awarded.
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these people served punishments and came back to society ,it gives a message to the rest that damaging public property is a crime and punishment is the major detterent.
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I suggest these people should not be branded as belonging to a party ,any faith group but in honesty and fairness should be tried for what they did because in the end ,every individual has a choice and a personal responsibility.
Accountability for our own actions.
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is it my misperception or this really is makes sense?
till couple of days ago every one was blaming taliban for suicide bombing in karachi but todays newspaper is showing some different aspect of Karachi bombing.
let me show you.
1)inspector general sindh said that initial investigations doesn't conclude that it is a suicide bombing.
2)interior minister rejected the video clips which were produced by MQM. saying that these CCTV's were installed and controlled by MQM and we can not trust on these video clips.
3) Taliban commonder claiming for suicide bombing while there is lack of evidence,supporting this claim.
4) Why commonoes and snipers did not stop the mob?
5) Million dollar question….who stopped the fire brigades to enter in these area.
if MQM supporter don't call me "SOB" then let me tell you one thing,this was not just bombing….this is an execution of well calculated, organized and cold blooded plan of destruction….
now the question is who have the resources to commiting these horrible crimes? ….TALIBAN??? i don't think so.
Dr Jawwad's opinion does have weight.
I wonder if these "Pakistani Journalists" even reconfirm any press release before publishing it? تحریک طالبان، کراچی حملے سے لاتعلقی
عبدالحئی کاکڑ
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، پشاور
آخری وقت اشاعت: جمعرات, 31 دسمبر, 2009, 10:34 GMT 15:34 PST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/12/091231…
طالبان کا کہنا ہے کہ وہ فرقہ واریت میں ملوث نہیں ہیں
تحریکِ طالبان پاکستان کے مرکزی ترجمان نے کراچی میں گزشتہ روز عاشورہ کے جلوس پر کیے جانے والے خودکش حملے کی ذمہ داری قبول کرنے والے اپنے ایک کمانڈر کے بیان سے لاتعلقی کا اظہار کیا ہے۔
طالبان کمانڈر عصمت اللہ شاہین نے بدھ کو کراچی حملے کی ذمہ داری قبول کرتے ہوئے کہا تھا کہ ان کے گروپ کے ایک ساتھی نے تحریکِ
طالبان کی ہدایت پر ماتمی جلوس کو نشانہ بنایا تھا۔
My views on such videos [flogging and head chopping videos are included] and such journalists who give too much coverage to the so-called Islamic Militants is as under:
Our several TV Anchors for instance Kamran Khan of GEO TV who ‘SUCCESSFULLY’ interview
[Al-Qaeda commander claims responsibility for 9/11 attacks Wednesday, July 23, 2008 Accuses Pakistan of inflicting more damage on his organisation; Mustafa says al-Qaeda men also attacked Danish embassy in Islamabad These comments were made in an interview with Najeeb Ahmed that was broadcast on Monday on Geo TV's Aaj Kamran Khan Kay Saath programme. This was the first detailed interview in five years of a senior al-Qaeda leader].
some obscure and concocted Militant Abu Mustafa Al Yazid [What is Al-Qaida ? Aaj Kamran Khan K saath P-1] and relayed it on GEO TV for creating more problem for Pakistan. How the hell they get such interviews when even the high tech Western Agencies could’t trace them???
Months after right after 911 Hamid Mir filed a front page Super Headline In Daily Dawn that Osama Bin Laden has 36 Nukes [Hamid Mir wasn’t even Dawn Employee not even on contract in Dawn.
What was the purpose of such stories which always embarrass Pakistan. There are several Militants of Northern Areas who used to address crowded Press Conference and getting coverage in every Private TV Channels in Pakistan. Basically this Rat Race amongst TV Channels has ruined the mental peace of Pakistanis. Nobody is saying to ban TV Channels but did anyone ever questioned the news they present, its veracity, its source, and its background. These TV Channels are keeping alive this “Alleged War On Terror” to make money out of the miseries of People of NWFP, Baluchistan and FATA. Let me quote you a dialogue from a best seller by Late. Harold Robbins
‘The truth,’ I said. ‘Can’t any of you tell the truth? Do you always have to manipulate others doing your dirty work for you when the truth is so much simpler?’
‘That’s show business,’ Guy said glibly.
‘I don’t like it,’ I said.
‘You better get used to it if you’re going to stay in it.’ (from The Lonely Lady, 1976)
@Jawwad
Thanks for your thought provoking post. You are absolutely spot on with many of your points. Though Aamir has said "something", but still don't expect a PPP jiyala to come out wholeheartedly from the closet. At the moment MQM and PPP is hand in glove.
There are too many unsolved equations/incidents. We MUST demand INDEPENDENT investigation. It is NOT hard to figure out who is on the CCTV. At least the faces can be seen. I know they are not the masterminds, but at least we might get a clue from them.
Urgent action from the government (PPP and MQM) is needed. It is NOT enough to come on TV and make spin!
And yes…people on tend to get abusive when they don't have arguments.
. Blackwater. Who else? Mr. usmani said that after he conducted a sophisticated investigation into this matter. Hence concluded!
BLACKWATER:
Investigators told Dawn that identity cards from the premier intelligence agency cited the suspects “ranks” as “sources”. They added, however, that the intelligence agency in question described the cards as being fake.Police said that entry cards for the Malir Cantonment area were also recovered from their possession. KARACHI: Attack on JSQM convoy: Surviving ‘assassin’ being grilled By S. Raza Hassan Sunday, 26 Jul, 2009 | 01:39 AM PST [DAILY DAWN] http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
. "I don't think so"
Yeah right. They cannot even lit a matchstick.
As you rightly said that life must go on! Rather shedding tears on the ruins we can try to build a better and more tolerant Pakistan where all sects have the liberty to practice their religious beliefs and rituals
Observer says: – December 31, 2009 at 7:45 pm – Though Aamir has said “something”, but still don’t expect a PPP jiyala to come out wholeheartedly from the closet. And yes…people on tend to get abusive when they don’t have arguments.
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Yes you are right people tend to get abusive e.g.
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Observer says: – December 30, 2009 at 6:24 pm – @Ali Raza
I think you people are over playing the powers of Mr. Altaf Kalia. – assassinations in Karachi can be stopped by Mr. Altaf “Kalia” Hussain.
Observer says: – December 30, 2009 at 8:33 pm @”Syed” Btw: Is Altaf your father since you have fire in your ass?
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@Aamir
You are so predictable;-)
Do you have two eyes? or only one? Look at the other abusive side too….your buddies.
Come on…dare you make an analysis like the Jawwad has made or do you still want to run in circles?
The other side didn't talk of Quranic Education like you have and how come it is appropriate to reply abuse with abuse for an educated visionary like you. One more example of your goodself.
@Aamir
I never claimed I am perfect.
You are still avoiding to dissapoint your friends. Come on be brave Mr. (former) IB officer. I expect more from a "research analyst".
Sir,
Don't expect analysis from me and follow your own comment on me.
Observer December 30, 2009 at 12:58 pm – Sorry….I just gave him the prize for winning this “contest” – – Yaah,,,yaahh I know he is modest and refuse to accept his victory http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/Youre-Awseom…
My [Peepla/Jiyala] opinion doesn't count and if you insist then follow your own comment on me.
Observer says: December 30, 2009 at 3:09 pm Did you work for IB? If yes, then please tell me whether that job required an analytical sense? Or do you think that only you can ask the questions?
HAPPY NEW YEAR to all. May the new year bring better times for Pakistan, inshallah!
Happy New Year for what? New Year has already started for Muslim on 1st Muharram. Dont you follow Imran Khan?? Read what he says..[Daily Dawn Imran Khan in April 2009 – “Sufi Mohammad is not just violating the Swat accord, he is going against the Holy Quran by breaking promises.” The ceremony, which was held under tight security, had separate seating arrangements for women activists.
Then ask your masters to change the calender from the solar to the lunar calender….will you or will stay in the closet?
Nobody is my master and you are more than welcome back to Pakistan to bring in Soft Revolution and start from changing the calendar.
@Aamir
Prove your point instead crying.
First the western media said it was civilians. Now CIA confirms that it was their people.
"Seven CIA agents were killed in a bomb attack in Afghanistan, the US agency's director, Leon Panetta, has confirmed."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8436635.stm
Amir Mughal is a true PPLa.
Right or wrong doesn't matter to him. He would support any thing PPP does and if he can not find a worthy argument in support of the CORRUPT PPP leadership, he would start to post irrelevant remarks about the people criticizing the corrupts.
He lives in fools paradise, where every one else is faulty except the people Amir Mughal worships.
As another poster said, he is a jacka$$, no matter how many books you load upon him, he wouldn't benefit. His upper-chamber will still hold spider-webs.
Unfortunately Aamir mostly fail to address the issues. Instead he avoids direct answers. He thinks he is smart and cannot be exposed. That is certainly not the case. Those who want to know the truth have looked through Aamir with the blink of an eye.
Sir, Don’t expect analysis from me and follow your own comment on me.
Observer December 30, 2009 at 12:58 pm – Sorry….I just gave him the prize for winning this “contest” – – Yaah,,,yaahh I know he is modest and refuse to accept his victory http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/Youre-Awseom…
Observer says: December 30, 2009 at 3:09 pm Did you work for IB? If yes, then please tell me whether that job required an analytical sense? Or do you think that only you can ask the questions?
Its a jungle out there. The problem is that the shopkeepers are themselves not armed to the teeth- which they should be since we live in a jungle. Screw the rangers or police – they are only there to protect the strong. The weak must fend for themselves. I say if every shopkeer carrying a shotgun came out and opened fire on these guys there would be no riots to begin with. No mob will have the heart to stand up to 250 shopkeepers with shotguns.
if we dont have the heart to carry a gun and shoot our own enemies then we are simply cowards who need bodyguards. In a civilized country you have the police to do this – but we are FAR from it 🙂 The US did in in the early 1800's and so must we.
I think its quite obvious that without guns you have no say in this country.
"I think its quite obvious that without guns you have no say in this country."
Yo are right that as it is now, everybody needs guns to protect themselves, BUT is it not better to disarm ALL civilians – otherwise we will end up in another hell where maniacs run havoc every now and then.
There is off course the question about who will disarm PPP, MQM, PML-N, ANP and JI members? Nobody will except Pakistanis change the government. PML-N is NO solution either, so the scenario is far too doomy for Pakistan since no political party seems to be capable of fulfilling the vacuum.
The real question is mayve; will Pakistan survive or be split in to:
PPP controlling Sindh
PML-N controlling Punjab
MQM controlling KHI
Balochistan and NWFP will also be uled by local parties if the ugly scenario becomes a reality.
Unfortunately I have a bad feeling 🙁
Why dont give some measures instead of giving Bad feeling. Imran Khan can control NWFP and Baluchistan.
Karachi is the Capital of Sindh and MQM has strong presence in Interior of Sindh. By the way ANP also won assembly seats from Karachi.
And??
Unfortunately disarming all civilians or wiping out guns altogether has never worked (worldwide) – and never will. Physical violence is human nature. Would you take away their fists as well? If you outlaw guns (or swords) this ONLY means that only criminal and outlaws would carry guns.
Case and point: Do you think imposing Section 144 in the city has ANY EFFECT on armed robberies, gun point snatching and random 'firing' incidents – obviously not. Imposing 144 only makes sure the criminals have a easy disarmed civilian to threaten with their guns (i dont think they care much about the law now do they!)
I dont mean to make any tall claims about the future of our country – Those are things which I have NO idea about. What i do know is random violence and planned 'mob' attacks (which I doubt they were) can be completely stopped if you stop relying on the government and pick up arms yourself. If every or most civilians start carrying weapons (like they used to in the old days) I believe order will automatically be restored.
Dear Faraz Sahab,
Instead of Gun and Section 144. My humble suggestion would be Neighborhood Committees comprising upon elders and interaction of communities with each other on regular basis. Guns and Ammunition couldn't help a bit and that I know from my own experience in Govt. Service. In upper Sind [Areas around Jacobabad, Sukkur, Ghtoki, Kashmore, and Shikarpur] whole tribes own and carry Guns not only Guns [Guns KK, G3 and M16] but Rocket Launchers and RPG as well but what is the result, more bloodshed. There used to be a Dahani Tribe in Larkana and since last 30 years there was so much bad blood between Dahanis and Jatois that now Dahanis are no where to be seen. I have people die particularly those who not only carry Guns but Bodyguard as well, and they are killed very ruthlessly [One Chief in Baluchistan Sardar Raeesani was killed [65 bullet holes] and he died with Bodyguard. Akbar Bugti's son Salal Bugti was killed in Quetta when he was with bodyguards [and Bugtis and other Tribes don't carry Airgun but real Mac coy mean Machine Guns] so forget guns.
Instead of Guns – Try Mohalla Committees.
My humble suggestion would be Neighborhood Committees comprising upon elders and interaction of communities with each other on regular basis
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interaction between communities for what?
faraz khan was not talking about communal war and tension.he was talking about big scale armed robberies ranging from mobile snatching, car snatching till armed robbery in the house,money exchange and mostly in houses in day light. and i can tell you with my own personal experience that even police and ranger can't stop it,even standing few yards away from the crime scene.i have seen a mobile snatching just 10 meters away from a police mobile and no one knew that the whole crime scene was not looking a crime scene at all.it was looking like a friendly chat.
i remember a robbery in my neighbor the house was 20 meter away from my house. and i was on the street when the robbery took place and when i learnt i was shocked because again that scene was not looking like a crime scene…why ?? because robbery has become the most easy and rewarding job in karachi. what you have to do is just to show your gun and demand what you need..
Secondly and most importantly there is a big difference between a tribal society and a civic society where the problems, conflicts,issues and even social values differ.
i am quite sure this scale of armed robbery is unimaginable in jacobabad, wazeeristan or dera bugti.
i believe that time has come for citizens of karachi, lahore and peshawar or any bigger city of pakistan to keep the weapon(not less than automatic assault rifles)…why ??
because like many govt departments police also has been failed in performing its duty…..why? honestly the law enforcement agencies has lost completely their interest in performing their duties. what they do is just to become visible …thats all.
i believe the suggestion of faraz khan is not new and sensible.
@Faraz
We cannot fully avoid the use of firearms, but we can reduce it significantly if there is will power behind implementing the laws.
@Jawaad
I beg to differ. You couldn't be more wrong. When each and every citizens starts to carry a gun, then also account for mistaken shootings/killings. I know the cities are different from tribal areas, but still you have large portions of different ethnic/religious groups. When a genuine or deliberate mistake happens, then I suppose you also can see that hell will break out…..It's a bad idea. It's better to ensure rule of law and disarm ALL civilians as well as we can!
@observer!
yes i am more than agree with the concerns you raised.
But keep in mind that arm free society is just a dream.for me arms free society in current world is not possible. not even in saudi arabia which have most strict rules in the world. this is a "demand and supply" business. where is the demand there is a supply.
my humble question is that in our cities who have the guns?
atleast every one who have an evil intention.
every ethino religious extremist have the gun.
every nationalist political organization have the guns.(MQM,JSTPP,ANP,PPI etc etc)
every dacoit, mobile snatcher, car lifter, land mafia people, bhatta people, drug trafficers, satta organizers, every criminal have atleast one automatic assault rifle.
My question is why not the common man?
Aslo there is a big difference between hanging fire arm on your shoulder all the time and keeping it in your house and shop for the protection.
however one can not ignore the possible (Godforbid)communal or ethenic tension. Again my question is… suppose you have a gun in your house and your neighborhood is affected by ethenic tension, target killing, destruction of property and all nonsense crimes occur during these kinds of situation…my question is what will you do?
would you stay in your house and defend your family or leave the house and start shooting discriminately???
i bet you would stay in your house and defend your family…why?? because "GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE….PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE"
i had a very close soomro friend in LMC.the guy had one of the finest collection of weapon i have ever seen. from knives to crossbow to assault rifles but i was not scarred of his collection for a single moment while some other udru speaking(MQM workers) in his area do affraid of him.because i knew that he is a common man like me and he will not harm any one without a genuine reason.
Question is why a common man should not posses the weapon? in his house or shop?
This is all bullshit. The elders of the community who advise to the youngster to behave are shunned and their families harassed.
Now the *cool* eldes go along the boys.
I bet the Imamia student Organization-boys got a big pat on their backs for their rampage and then those same Shia *ulemas* would condemn the rampage-act in public.
Just like Altaf Hussain and his gang, they kill in the night and join the janaza of the victim in the morning…
Dear Sir,
It has to be start from somewhere becasue Military Operation couldn't finish MQM rather those who were in charge of Military Operation against MQM have themselves said that Operation against MQM was wrong, you tried legal battle with them and Naseerullah Babar during his rule tried that and now in 2009 he is also saying that it was futile.
We should not use sweeping statements against any community/political party [that include Shias/Deobandis/JI/MQM and Urdu Speaking] if we want to solve this lawlessness and anarchy.
Arming Citizens will pave the way for disaster [I wonder if any of you have even read about the Civil Wars in Beirut, Rwanda, Sudan, Yugoslavia and other such countries] because first you arm them then you concentrate and inhabit any particular community in certain area and this the core of the problem of Lawlessness Ethnic hatred/Sectarian Hatred. Therefore Pluralism and Mix Localities is the solution when you have mix population then interests [i.e. Peace and Law and Order become common Interest].
Nobody can sack any community from Karachi on Gun Point [because member of every community plays part in the development and prosperity of this city], and let me tell you very clearly that when you people at the drop of hat start raising finger on Blackwater and CIA then these very forces are more than able to ignite a Civil War and you will never know what hit you. They will army each community living in the city and make use fight by igniting a Riot or Clash by assassinating anyone from any political party. Let me make it more clearly, they closely watch and read press statements given by Political Leaders against each other and they act upon and after these statements [they have did it in Latin America]
Type Operation Phoenix, Operation PB Suceess, Operation Ajax in US National Security Archive http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/ [Declassified US Govt. Papers] and read it yourself
How they Ignite Civil Wars in Lebanon and Latin American Countries – [Read two books The Israeli Secret Service by Richard Deacon and By Way of Deception: A Devastating Insider's Portrait of the Mossad by Claire Hoy and Victor Ostrovsky [Mossad Official and sacked from Isreal and Mossad as well and lives in Canada] and INSIDE THE COMPANY: CIA DIARY by Philip Agee [Former CIA Official- Now dead and his passport and US Nationality was snatched by the USA]
dr jawwad khan says: – January 2, 2010 at 1:54 am – Secondly and most importantly there is a big difference between a tribal society and a civic society where the problems, conflicts,issues and even social values differ.
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Lebanon was far more modern and ultra mod in 50s and very much CIVIL and not at all tribal would you like to define the tribal behavior of Urban Guerrillas of Lebanon – Phalangists, Duruz Militia and all such ruthless and brutal brutes were Civil, Urban and educated as well. Lebanese Civil War Period 1975 – 1990.
Leaders of Shia rioters demanding the release of *inncoent* rampagers..
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/1-2-2010/pic.asp?picname…
@Jawwad
"My question is why not the common man?"
A common man who can afford a gun in Pakistan will most probably have one. Those who do not posses a gun are mostly those who cannot afford it.
I don't know why you think that gun free society can work. Look at EU. You experience relative few gun related incidents. Most of the incidents involve gang members fighting each other in drugs related business and very few gun related to issues in the rest of the normally running society. I think you are thinking too much about US-like societies. I have numerous examples of mentally unstable people murdering innocent people in Universities, shopping malls etc.
I understand your concern, but guns carried by all people is NOT the solution. The number of killings will only increase in any society and even more in a society like the Pakistani with immense gap between poor and rich. The solution is to disarm ALL civilians. Let's start in the cities and the rural areas and slowly move towards NWFP/tribal areas. The tribal areas will be tricky since they have different culture. We need to develop those areas first both infrastructure and education is a must. Then we can gradually disarm those civilians too.
why supporter of MQM became silent suddenly?
picture is getting crystal clear…
possibilities of "internal hand" behind the destruction of shops is getting more obvious….
where are MQM's supporters?
Have a look at this interview :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPA3GTXtlh4&fe…
The last part is most interesting….He is mad about the questions raised.
It is as if Mustafa Kamal is talking about his personal property when he talks about the fire brigade etc.
Dr JAwwad
I am speachless after reading your suggession to carry weapons???
We cannot give in to arms and lawlessness so quickly .
I think the civilians of Karachi have won and controlled the situation.
that is why i paid the tribute.The Karachilites did not givein to emotion.It did not turn into a civil war which was the aim of this attcak.
Shaitte and Sunnis reacted in the controlled and concious manner and this is the only way to deafeat the big conspiracies planned against Pakistan.
Pakistanis at all cost try to save themselves ,the ultimate paln is to kill as many as possible,after all in the end all are Muslims.
I think each and every section of the Karachi society did respond in a very responsible manner and it saved our city and lives.
That is all we need.
If the enemy bombs us we do not stand up and start bombing ourself.
I agree with Ms Farrah and Pray to Allah that He may guide and give "wisdom" to our Fools we have for politicians, I also pray to Allah that May He save us from the Return of below mentioned "Bloody 90s". [Amen]
UNHCR Amnesty International, Human Rights Crisis in Karachi, 1 February 1996, ASA/33/01/96, available at: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6a9b40.htm… [accessed 3 January 2010]
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,AMNESTY,,P…
UNHCR REPORT : Pakistan: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,USCIS,,PAK…
Cries of a Martyr Son — Mother — Read it
“کا ش ما و ں نے دو کا نو ں کو جنم دیا ہوتا ”
کراچی کے سا نہہ پر ایک ما ں کی فریاد – جاوید چودہھری
An eye opening writing of Javed Chaudry
click here to read it online http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20100105/Sub_Images/1100816595-2.gif
The subsequent and immediate effect after this tragic scene which was heavily guarded by state forces is loss of trust of people on their government.Not a single state function took stern and on timely precautionary measures that could have limited this huge loss.All openly contributed to escalate this tragedy to transform it into ethnic riots and in which they all failed.
Here people including shia participants and shopkeepers showed extra ordinary courage and strength to restrict this tragedy into a circumscribed tragedy and no credit goes to govt of Karachi in this regard.
What Karachi people are expecting more than it things and situation can't get any worse as we had seen in last years.
MQM claims to be popular party of Karachi are only limited for getting seat and ministries in all level.When ever the matter of responsibility comes they all slip from the scene and start wailing unanimously on the acts of hidden hands in Karachi riots.
Karachi people should think that how much human and business loss they would bear more under the popularity flag of one and only MQM.
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