Blind Faith or Emotional Pull?

Recent debates, especially on facebook, regarding Zaid Hamid and his relations with a convicted blasphemer who died in jail almost a decade ago have certainly caught the Pakistani youth by surprise. They find themselves locked in an argument which is taking a heavy toll on their intellect and energies. On one side there are people who look upto traditional religious scholars with a good number of years and experience in the matters of religion while the other segment is quite wary of these sources and choose to follow their “Sir” Zaid Hamid.

A closer look into the matter reveals that our youth can easily be generalized as passionate, emotional, irrational, impulsive, aggressive, vulnerable, know-it-all, mind guarded and above all frustrated. The description is equally valid for all the participants irrespective of their point of view. Ironic it may be both the parties well and truly are the future of Pakistan. These youngsters are enrolled in medical, engineering and management universities.

A visit to pro-camp points how easily we the Pakistani youth fall prey to rhetorical war mongers in the name of religion. The followers there are not madressah students, long branded for being fanatics and extremists, but rather educated minds. While on the anti-camp you will find statements of religious scholars belonging to various schools of thoughts, evidences produced and deemed authentic in the court, even the complete court judgment. The advocates calling Zaid Hamid of being a vice of a blasphemer are actively gathering proofs to justify their allegations and even interacting with scholars while the other party seems to be too naïve to listen to or visit anyone. What is more surprising is that there have been defectors in the later camp while the former are steadfast.

The often asked question “Are you (Zaid Hamid) associated with Yousuf Kazzab?” is secondary to who are you? A self proclaimed defense analyst, a jihadi during American funded afghan war, religious scholar, economic expert, a historian and a diehard fan of Dr. Muhammad Iqbal. The question to ask is “What exactly is this character in question?” Who is at the centre to the most ferocious, vivacious, unique and splitting cyber war the country is experiencing.

Cross checks and his own statements presents Zaid Hamid as a computer systems engineer from NED University, Karachi, a very involved jihadi during the afghan war. Later he managed Brinks Securities, Rawalpindi before the entrepreneur in him created Brasstacks an organization which provides security updates and guidance to various national and multinational companies operating in Pakistan.

So how did an engineer from NED become a defense analyst, expert in economics, history and religious matters? These achievements, if true, are nothing short of a fairy tale. Globally, it is general practice that experts have certain contributions such as white papers to their credit, which are examined and debated upon by their peers and seniors to lend credibility and validate their authenticity; unfortunately in this case no such document exists.

What is even more surprising is that a particular and a self proclaimed jihadi is given a lot of room to freely go and deliver speeches and produce TV shows while his contemporaries are blocked, banned and put under arrest. So what is so good about this eloquent speaker that he is allowed to beat the war drums. What is more interesting is that every scholar of repute irrespective of his maslak (school of thought) eyes Zaid with suspicion.

But than again vision often gets blurred when emotions run high and we prefer to perceive things to our liking, facts are molded and our whims and fantasies have the better of us. Those who refer to documented evidences are told to directed their attention on the greater cause which is preached by the controversial speaker and it is explicitly stated “one should believe what is said and forget about who is saying it” as quoted by a diehard fan to avoid further argument. However, for any scholarly debate it is advised that before you lend your ear to someone, ensure that he is of good lineage, his immediate family is bears worthy credentials and he has a sound upbringing and tutoring in the concerned subject.

However, in this particular case it is argued; his (apparent) intentions are not only good but a realization of Pakistan’s destiny as predicted by ‘Syed Nurullah Shah Wali” a saint who existed 900 years ago, amazingly no clue to this saint nor his prediction is available anywhere except a book authored by non-other than Zaid Hamid.

Void of any qualification in defense studies, strategy formulation, economics, history and politics we are forced to lend an ear to an eloquent speaker through the air waves. He even goes on record suggesting that “Pakistan should launch one or two missiles at Israel, perhaps without nuclear warheads to reprimand Mosad for interfering with Pakistan’s internal security”.

Quran in Surah Munafiqoon, verse 4, gives the final verdict “When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of God be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!

Reflecting on our decisions we should ask ourselves whether our conclusions were drawn or derived through intellectual exercise or are a result of some personal impression, facts or simple hearsay. We must ask our selves, Why we as a society are vulnerable to such rhetoric? What is the state of our intellect? How long will we keep acting like a flock of sheep or a hoard of cattle?

Do we as a nation, need to focus our energies on insulting traditional religious scholar and engaging in war hysteria with neighboring India or should we look inside and try to resolve our core issues i.e. illiteracy, unavailability of basic necessities and rising unemployment. How much longer can we blame America, Israel, India and Govt. for our shortcomings? What have we done remaining well within our constitutional domains for the inequalities, injustices and malpractices we observe around us? Has any one of us ever lodged a complaint, even thought about doing it, against these everyday occurrences? The lamest excuse in this matter is that the system is not conducive to individual efforts. Instead of following someone’s oratory and condemn Institutions we should actively pursue our constitutional rights. Civil disobedience or military take over as suggested by the enlightened expert are not a solution but rather a grave mistake.



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62 responses to “Blind Faith or Emotional Pull?”

  1. Nadir El-Edroos Avatar
    Nadir El-Edroos

    We seem to have a massive inferiority complex, and need to vicitmizied by the rest of the world. WE judge our importance by lisitng all the countrys and agencies that are screwing with us! Honorable hamid is giving everyone a way to intensify these feelings by situating us at the centre of the world and offering people a destination, a path towards an awsome victory that we desperatly need!! sensationalism always trumpts pragmatism! but in the long run, once we pay the unthinkable cost of all these violent rhetoric, hopefully sanity will prevail

  2. Waqas Ali Avatar

    Very well said, I have always a question with my youth fellow, Do you try to find out what is actually happening or you just follow a seemed educated person.

    Instead of following someone’s oratory and condemn Institutions we should actively pursue our constitutional rights.

    Yes this is it.

  3. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    who died in jail almost a decade ago have certainly [Rehan Ali]



    It was a Murder not natural death.

    1. S.A.R.A Avatar

      Thats right, it was a murder "as we all know"

  4. S.A.R.A Avatar

    There is another one coming up behind him! Mr. Ahmed Qureshi. So far I have more contact in my facbook page than him. But as he is also getting the media coverage and "Inside reports" the man is getting there.

    With regards to ZH Munh ki bawaseer, what confirms that he does NOT give important information to enemies of Pakistan?

  5. Asif H Shah Avatar
    Asif H Shah

    We should study history and it will give you reference as to what is the scenarion with Zahid Hamid. As always history repeats it self. We don't need to go far back. Lets go back to post World War One Germany. Germany at that time was a defeated nation and with a finished economy. The morale of the german nation was at the lowest. Then at this time there was this man who was a failed artist from Austria who had this talent of being a fiery and eloquent speaker. All he had to do is to blame all the was going wrong with Germany at that time on communists and jews. Yes he was Adolf Hitler and the fear he created enabled him to grab power in Germany.The result as all of us know was World War 2. After the loss of millions of humans across the world that included Germans and her alies, Germany could not achieve what Hitler promised them. History is full of people like these and still humanity falls prey to them again and again because we have a tendency to forget the lessons of our bloody past. It is only through the study of history that we can develop the intelect to pinpoint the hate mongers among us. We should know that war is never the solution to our problems but a huge mistake. It is only through true democracy and creating a strong economy that we can achieve success for our country. Just look at Brazil that is now asserting itself on the world stage due to her growing economic muscle.

    1. sogul Avatar

      You are sooooo right!

  6. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Naimatullah Shah Wali on page 45 of his “Qaseeda” predicted about the “Victory” in 1965 War without predicting that brain behind this war was Quadiyanis Brigadier Akhter Hussain Malik and above all War was not won. Nur Khan reminisces ’65 war
    By Our Special Correspondent September 6, 2005
    Pakistan 1965 to 1971.

  7. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Naimatullah Shah Wali on page 49 of his “Qaseeda” is predicting that “Beautiful Grils” and “Femme Fatals” will be captured after capturing Ganges and Jamna. Alas! Naimat will be cursing in his grave [if there ever was any Naimat at all] for missing the “heavenly booties” and by the way Naimat “forgot to mention” Hummood ur Rehman Commission Report and Kargil Retreat.

  8. Arshad Khan Avatar
    Arshad Khan

    Thanks for inspiring me to watch syed naimatuallah wali's predictions episodes by zaid hamid.

  9. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    syed naimatuallah wali?????

    Only Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]'s predictions given in Verified and Authentic Hadith are Hujjat [Proof] for Muslim. Prediction and Advice of Syed Naimatullah Wali or any other "Wali" are only valid if these are in the light of Quran and Authentic Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] otherwise such Predictions would be thrown on wall.

  10. Arshad Khan Avatar
    Arshad Khan

    They seem to be in the light of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) ahadith according to Zaid hamid in the episodes. Let me know if you agree after you watch them.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Khan Sahab,

      Apart from against Quran an Hadith the Historical Facts which were presented by Mr Zaid Hamid, he is declaring 1857 a Jihad whereas during 1857 uprising there were many Hindus and Sikhs also participated in the same. Jihad cannot be fought by Non-Muslims. BrassTacks Zaid Hamid Spiritual-Naimatullah Shah Wali's Predictions Eps2 Part 4 / 5
      BrassTacks Zaid Hamid Spiritual-Naimatullah Shah Wali's Predictions Eps2 Part 5 / 5

      Shah Waliullah Dehelvi's son Shah Abdul Aziz issued a Fatwa for Muslim to learn and study English and there is no sin in it. This Fatwa was issued much earlier before Sir Syed Ahmed Khan [Ref: Rood-e-Kauthar and Aab Kauthar by Sheikh Ikram]

    2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Zaid is almost attributed "Knowledge of Unseen" to Naimatullah Shah Wali [narrating that he foretold everything about Great Game through prophesy]: Whereas Lord says:

      وَلاَ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ عِندِي خَزَآئِنُ اللّهِ وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ وَلاَ أَقُولُ إِنِّي مَلَكٌ وَلاَ أَقُولُ لِلَّذِينَ تَزْدَرِي أَعْيُنُكُمْ لَن يُؤْتِيَهُمُ اللّهُ خَيْرًا اللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ إِنِّي إِذًا لَّمِنَ الظَّالِمِينَ

      I say not unto you: "I have the treasures of Allah" nor "I have knowledge of the Unseen," nor say I: "Lo! I am an angel!" Nor say I unto those whom your eyes scorn that Allah will not give them good – Allah knoweth best what is in their hearts – Lo! then indeed I should be of the wrong-doers. [HUD (HUD) Chapter 11 – Verse 31]

    3. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Khan Sahab,

      Prophecies were given to Prophets [PBUT] by Allah to establish the Hujjat [Proof] of Prophethood and "Syed Naimatullah Wali"'s Influx [Kashf] are not Hujjat [Proof] for Muslims:

      Due to ignorance people doesnot make a distinction of the true nature of Prophethood, does not make a distinction between a Prophet and an astrologer, and so he compares the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the astrology of the French physicist Nostradamus who lived in the 16th century CE and composed books of fantasies and illusions. His books are written in ambiguous language about events that will happen up until the end of the world, which he expected would happen in the year 3797. A person like this needs to understand the true nature of Prophethood and why mankind needs to believe in it, and he needs to know that the Unseen can only be known through the Prophets who were chosen by Allaah. He needs to know that Prophethood is a gift from Allaah, may He be glorified, and it cannot be attained by a person’s desires or own efforts. Prophethood is a pure blessing from Allaah, as is indicated in His words

      أُوْلَئِكَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ النَّبِيِّينَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ آدَمَ وَمِمَّنْ حَمَلْنَا مَعَ نُوحٍ

      (interpretation of the meanings):

      “Those were they unto whom Allaah bestowed His Grace from along the Prophets, of the offspring of Adam, and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Nooh…” [Maryam 19:58]

    4. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Khan Sahab,

      Tirmidhi Shareef is translated in Urdu by Late. Maulana Badi-u z- Zaman and he while explaining the Prophecies of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] regarding Last Days [Qayamat] had added a separate margin for False Prophets and Imposters, while narrating and interpreting a Hadith [repeated in many books] that there would 20 and in some narration 30 False Dajjal before the genuine Dajjal i.e. Maseeh Ad Dajjal [Anti-Christ], Mawlana had started telling through reliable reports about such persons from Museelima Kazzab to Abdullah Chakralwi in India. So such Dajjal often appear to deviate Muslims from Correct Manhaj [Methodology] of Monotheism [Tawheed].

      Best Regards

    5. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Naimatullah Shah Wali is declaring that "Ilmul Jufr" Numerology as a branch of "Wisdom" whereas this "Ilmul Jufr" is outright "Shirk" Polytheism: Imam Jaffer Sadiq, Numerology, Astrology and Palmistry.

  11. Aamir Mughal Avatar


    وَكَذَلِكَ يَجْتَبِيكَ رَبُّكَ وَيُعَلِّمُكَ

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    “Thus will your Lord choose you…” [Yoosuf 12:6]

    قَالَ يَا مُوسَى إِنِّي اصْطَفَيْتُكَ عَلَى النَّاسِ بِرِسَالاَتِي وَبِكَلاَمِي

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    “… I have chosen you above men by My Messages and by My speaking (to you)…” [al-A’raaf 7:144]

    اللّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُ

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    “… Allaah knows best with whom to place His Message…” [al-An’aam 6:124]

    Then he should realize that the way in which Allaah conveys His message to His Prophets and Messengers is by wahy (revelation) . Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    إِنَّا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ كَمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى نُوحٍ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ مِن بَعْدِهِ

    “Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad) as We inspired Nooh and the Prophets after him…” [al-Nisa’ 4:163].

    There is nothing wrong with explaining to him the three types or levels of wahy so that he may have a better understanding of this channel of communication between Allaah and His creation, which is so essential for mankind. These three types or levels have been mentioned by Allaah in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning):

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    وَمَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُكَلِّمَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَّا وَحْيًا أَوْ مِن وَرَاء حِجَابٍ أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّهُ عَلِيٌّ حَكِيمٌ

    “It is not given to any human being that Allaah should speak to him unless (it be) by Inspiration, or from behind a veil, or (that) He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His leave. Verily, He is Most High, Most Wise.” [al-Shooraa 42:51]

    1. Nazia Avatar


      Do you no think that by sending Prophets and apostles Allah has handicapped large portion of population who is always dependent on all time messiahs and messenger who should be there to drive/focus/converge or diverge their sentiments toward individual's desires.

      Righteous belong to any religion naturally followed the path of divine laws but majority who are weak humans start following human idols and here is the start of the diversions of religious belief which ultimately create more chaos in state matters.

      We can see its example in Islam that all belief started from Mecca but now we have 70 sects and with lot of human idols whom majority followed more than the words of Quran or basic teaching of Islam.

      This is not normal human diversions but lead to bloody clashes and Muslim massacre through Muslims too for showing dominance to each other.

      Still now this dominance of rich Muslim countries and their alliance with rich non Muslim countries by clearly ignoring unity if Muslim UMMAH is clear example that in power sharing religion role is less prominent and there are other interests that keep leaders united .

      I emphasize that personal interests of Islamic leaders and spiritual representatives are very different than the basic teaching of Islam.

  12. Aamir Mughal Avatar


    These three types or levels may be further explained as follows:

    Inspiring something in the heart of a Prophet in such a way that he has no doubt about it and is certain that it is from Allaah. It was reported in a hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The holy spirit (i.e., Jibreel) blew into my heart that no soul dies until its provision (rizq) and appointed time have expired, so fear Allaah and be polite and reasonable when you seek to earn a living from others.” (Reported by Ibn Hibbaan). This type of revelation also includes the visions of the Prophets, which are true, as is proven in the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah Umm al-Mu’mineen (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: “The first thing that happened to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) of wahy was true vision in his dreams: he did not see something but it would become as true as daybreak.” (Agreed upon – Riaz As Saaleheen).

  13. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Therefore the Prophet and Friend of Allaah, Ibraaheem, hastened to sacrifice his son when he saw that he was commanded to do so in a dream. He took this dream as being a revelation to him, as Allaah tells us (interpretation of the meaning):

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    فَبَشَّرْنَاهُ بِغُلَامٍ حَلِيمٍ

    فَلَمَّا بَلَغَ مَعَهُ السَّعْيَ قَالَ يَا بُنَيَّ إِنِّي أَرَى فِي الْمَنَامِ أَنِّي أَذْبَحُكَ فَانظُرْ مَاذَا تَرَى قَالَ يَا أَبَتِ افْعَلْ مَا تُؤْمَرُ سَتَجِدُنِي إِن شَاء اللَّهُ مِنَ الصَّابِرِينَ

    فَلَمَّا أَسْلَمَا وَتَلَّهُ لِلْجَبِينِ

    وَنَادَيْنَاهُ أَنْ يَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ

    قَدْ صَدَّقْتَ الرُّؤْيَا إِنَّا كَذَلِكَ نَجْزِي الْمُحْسِنِينَ

    إِنَّ هَذَا لَهُوَ الْبَلَاء الْمُبِينُ

    وَفَدَيْنَاهُ بِذِبْحٍ عَظِيمٍ

    “So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said, ‘O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah), so look what you think!’ He said: ‘O my father! Do that which you are commanded, in sha Allaah (if Allaah will) you will find me of al-saabireen (the patient ones).’ Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead, for slaughtering) , And We called out to him: ‘O Ibraaheem! You have fulfilled the dream (vision)! Verily, thus do We reward the muhsinoon (good-doers) . Verily, that was a manifest trial, And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (a ram).” [al-Saaffaat 37:101-107]

  14. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Speaking to His Messengers from behind a barrier. Allaah spoke thus to Moosa, upon whom be peace, as He says (interpretation of the meanings):

    وَلَمَّا جَاء مُوسَى لِمِيقَاتِنَا وَكَلَّمَهُ رَبُّهُ

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    “And when Moosa came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord spoke to him…” [al-A’raaf 7:143]

    إِذْ رَأَى نَارًا فَقَالَ لِأَهْلِهِ امْكُثُوا إِنِّي آنَسْتُ نَارًا لَّعَلِّي آتِيكُم مِّنْهَا بِقَبَسٍ أَوْ أَجِدُ عَلَى النَّارِ هُدًى

    فَلَمَّا أَتَاهَا نُودِي يَا مُوسَى

    إِنِّي أَنَا رَبُّكَ فَاخْلَعْ نَعْلَيْكَ إِنَّكَ بِالْوَادِ الْمُقَدَّسِ طُوًى

    وَأَنَا اخْتَرْتُكَ فَاسْتَمِعْ لِمَا يُوحَى

    إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي

    (interpretation of the meanings):

    Lo! he saw a fire [in the desert]; and so he said to his family: "Wait here! Behold, I perceive a fire [far away]: perhaps I can bring you a brand there from, or find at the fire some guidance." “And when he came to it (the fire), he was called by name, ‘O Moosa! Verily, I am your Lord! So take off your shoes, you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa. And I have chosen you. So listen to that which is inspired to you. Verily, I am Allaah! None has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me, and perform al-salaat (prayer) for My Remembrance.’”[Ta-Ha 20:10-14]

  15. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Revelation to a Prophet via an angel. This is what Allaah refers to in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

    أَوْ يُرْسِلَ رَسُولًا فَيُوحِيَ بِإِذْنِهِ

    “… or He sends a Messenger to reveal what He wills by His leave…” [al-Shoora 42:51].

    This messenger is Jibreel, upon whom be peace. The angel came to the Prophet in three forms as is proven in the shar’i texts. These three forms are:

    The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw him in the form in which Allaah created him. This happened to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) twice.

    The revelation came with a noise like the sound of a bell, which went away after the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had understood what he had said.

    The angel appeared in the form of a man and spoke to him, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) understood what he said. This was the easiest of the three ways for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This what happened the first time Jibreel came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in the Cave of Hira’.

  16. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Imam Bukhari reported: "Ibraaheem ibn al-Mundhir told me that Ma‘n told us that Maalik told me, from ‘Abdullaah ibn Deenaar from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘The keys of the Unknown are five, which no-one knows except Allaah: no-one knows what will happen tomorrow except Allaah; no-one knows what is in the wombs except Allaah; no-one knows when it will rain except Allaah; no-one knows in which land he will die; and no-one knows when the Hour will begin except Allaah." (Saheeh al-Bukhaari)

    He also reported it with the wording: "The keys of the Unseen are five:

    إِنَّ اللَّهَ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ السَّاعَةِ وَيُنَزِّلُ الْغَيْثَ وَيَعْلَمُ مَا فِي الْأَرْحَامِ وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ مَّاذَا تَكْسِبُ غَدًا وَمَا تَدْرِي نَفْسٌ بِأَيِّ أَرْضٍ تَمُوتُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ

    ‘Verily, Allah! With Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He send down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily Allaah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things)’ [Luqmaan 31:34]." (Saheeh al-Bukhaari)

  17. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Read and ponder on the document below because Zaid was quoting from it.

    Qaseeda Naimatullah Shah Wali

  18. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Do read the Verse [Poetic Verse] on page 9 in Persian and this verse is riddled with Shirk [Polytheism] on page 23 it is attributed that Naimatullah Shah Wali is aware of Unkown [Yaani Allah kay Ghayb say Ashna Hain] –

    Dear Khan Sahab,

    This one verse is more than enough to put anybody in trouble of Judgement Day.

  19. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Read and ponder on the document below because Zaid was quoting from it. Qaseeda Naimatullah Shah Wali

    On the very first page right after "Khutba-e-Masnoona" prescribed Sermon [as in Hadith], the so called Shah Wali attributed "Qualities which are only suitable for Allah" with Mohammad [PBUH]. What this "Wali" has done is that he mixed truth with the falsehood.

  20. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    On page 3 Shah Wali quoted a Persian Verse of Jalaluddin Rumi wherein "Shah Wali" has again repeated a "Kufr" Disbelief i.e.


    "There is no difference between Allah and His Wali"


    Dear Khan Sahab,

    You decide whether such "Trash" is even worthy to be quote.

  21. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    On page 51 Naimatullah Shah Wali says that "Imam Mahdi" will apear but he didn't clear on thing i.e. Would it be Shia Imam Mahdi or Sunni Imam Mahdi??? that Qaseeda was published in 1972 when Faisalabad was Lyalpur.

    1. readinglord Avatar

      Aamir Mughal

      What a machine you are, writing apost every 5 minutes or so! I wonder what is driving you to write so much?

    2. dr jawwad khan Avatar

      I wonder what is driving you to write so much?

      —-ing lord


      I know is known as ISLAMOPHOBIA

    3. dr jawwad khan Avatar

      Or in vulgar language we call it:

      " L- – d chaba jana "

  22. farrahshah Avatar

    Rehan Ali :A very good and balnaced post .He is a journalsit once I wrote and I was corrected he is a millitary analyst .

    The thing is check all the profiles of all media people and let me know who is a journalist out of them by profession .Najam Sethi , Shereen Mizari very few people watch them.

    The truth is most of the people watch programmes like of



    and now Engineer Zaid.


    Check the profiles of university lecturers and let me know who are the scholars?

    How many of people in the talk shows are expert in their fields.


    Check out the political backgrounds of politicians and tell me how many of them started their work from street politics or were political activists?


    In olden times people had to have skills they would work on Radio than on TV and than they would be actors ,producers and directors.

    Today everyone is everything .


  23. farrah shah Avatar
    farrah shah

    I am not negative about any of the above names mentioned.I think this is a way forward.

    People had the hype and that hype is over.Soon their will be new faces and talk shows will change people are fed up of political talk shows.

    I will still give the credit of passionate enthusiastic debates with regard to Nazria e Pakistan ,Jinnah and Iqbal and Pakistan's geo politics.

    He educated the masses which many had failed.

    So did Shahid Masood on corruption .How long their programmes will run depends upon the bardasht of people.

    Not on criticism

  24. Zofashan Avatar

    this country has suffered suppression, it has the victim has been terrorized over the years. democracy is a term we have yet to come to terms with. when someone is allowed to thnk for themselves, they will rush thngs, make mistakes, but eventually learn wat to do on their own. this country is beginning to experience freedom, n with it comes free will n free thought. every person is free in this country.we cannot thnk like a nation but wecan be a nation of free-thnking individuals. live n let live.

    where God is concerned, every human has their own relationship with God.let it be.

    with time, the people will n r learning to thnk 4 themselves n this ship wil sail iA.

  25. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    dr jawwad khan says: – March 24, 2010 at 6:26 I know is known as ISLAMOPHOBI dr jawwad khan says: March 24, 2010 at 6:30 pm Or in vulgar language we call it: ” L- – d chaba jana

    Dear Jawwad Sahab,

    In another Thread you had asked about Hyporcites.

    One of the sign is “when they differ they transgress their limits” [Bukhari and Muslim]. You read your own language. When Zaid Hamid was defending Yousuf Kazzab then you were giving him every bad name in the book and I am also analyzing and criticizing his ideology and you are calling me “Islamophobia” ???? I couldn’t understand that if somebody is attributing “Knowledge of Unseen to a Human” [Read the Qaseeda of Naimatullah Wali which is source of Inspiration for Mr Zaid Hamid] and I am just refuting it through Quran and Hadith then how come I am Islamophobia or is it you who have joined the club of Yousuf Kazzab and Zaid Hamid.

  26. yaseen ch Avatar

    i think we should bury our past behind and move forward in the great future of both ourselves and of this home land.

  27. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    dr jawwad khan says: – March 24, 2010 at 6:26 I know is known as ISLAMOPHOBI dr jawwad khan says: March 24, 2010 at 6:30 pm Or in vulgar language we call it: ” L- – d chaba jana


    Dear Jawwad Sahab,

    Read my posts above where I have quoted Quran and Hadith to refute Mr Zaid Hamid and his alleged Pir Naimatullah Wali and read what you have written for my posts which are consist upon Quran and Hadith, you call it Islamophobia???

    نضّر الله إمرا أسمع مقالتي فودعها ثم أداها إلى من لم يسمعها

    “May Allah bless him who listens from me Hadith, preserves it and then conveys it to those who have not listened.” (Bukhari)

    بلّغوا عنّي و لو آية

    “Convey (to others) from me, even if it is a single statement” [Bukhari]

    فليغلغ الشاهد الغائب

    “It is mandatory for those who are present should convey (my message) to those who are not present”. [Bukhari]

    it is known as ISLAMOPHOBI dr jawwad khan says [Dr Jawwad Khan]

    If my messages were Islamophobic then please tell what kind of Islam you practice which is as under in the light of your own words:


    you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm] For the Thread The Blasphemy Law: An Objective Assessment from Religious, Legal & Social Perspectives Posted by Teeth Maestro October 20, 2009


    Read your abusive Language in the light of Sunnah and remember your own comment that "It is called Islamophobia"

    To curse a Muslim is akin to killing him. Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘Cursing a believer is like murdering him.’ [Agreed upon – Riyad As Saleheen by Imam Nuwvi]

    Narrated Ibn Mas’ood (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘A true believer is not involved in taunting, or frequently cursing or in indecency or abusing.” [Tirmidhi]

    Narrated Abu Hurayrah (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘A drunkard was brought to the Prophet (PBUH). He said, ‘Give him a beating.’ Then some beat him with their hands, some with their shoes, and some with (a folded) piece of cloth. When he left, someone said to him, ‘May Allah disgrace you!‘ The Prophet (PBUH) said, ‘Do not help Shaytan overcome him by uttering such words.’ [Bukhari]

    Moreover, it is incorrect to curse a sinner because perhaps, the person may have sought Istagfar (forgiveness/repentance for one’s sins) and Allah, the All-Forgiving, may have forgiven the person for his transgression.

    It is related in Saheeh Muslim that during the time of Allah’s Messenger (PBUH), when a woman was being punished for the sin of adultery, her blood spurted upon Khalid Ibn Waleed (May Allah be pleased with him), who swore at her. Thereupon, the Prophet (PBUH) said, ‘Khalid, be gentle. By Him, in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven.’ He (PBUH) then prayed over her and she was buried. Therefore, the right conduct would be to pray for his or her guidance and refrain from any critique, cursing or humiliation.

    Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) also warned, ‘Those who frequently resort to cursing would neither be accepted as witnesses nor as intercessors on the Day of Resurrection.’ [Saheeh Muslim]

  28. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Nazia says: March 25, 2010 at 9:06 am Mughal – i emphasize that personal interests of Islamic leaders and spiritual representatives are very different than the basic teaching of Islam.


    Dear Ms. Nazia,

    On page 4 of Qaseeda Naimatullah Shah Wali… , the alleged "Peer Naimat" is quoting Sheikh Al Akbar Ibn 'Arabi [A Renowned Sufi who believed in Wahdatul Wajood means Allah and His creation are part of Allah – Pantheism]

    Now read:


    Aqeedah Ibn ‘Arabi wa Hayaatuhu by Taqiy al-Deen al-Faasi

    Some confusing words of Ibn ‘Arabi were mentioned to our master Shaykh al-Islam Siraaj al-Deen al-Balqeeni, and he was asked about Ibn ‘Arabi. Our Shaykh al-Balqeeni said: he is a kaafir.[Ibn-e-Hajar Asqalani]

    Among these Sufis are: Ibn ‘Arabi, Ibn Saba’een, Ibn Barrajaan and their followers who follow their path and their religion. They have many books in circulation that are filled with blatant kufr and repugnant bid’ahs, trying to interpret clear texts in very far-fetched and repugnant ways, such that the reader is astounded that anyone could attribute such things to Islam. [Ibn Khaldoon]

    These later Sufis, such as Ibn ‘Arabi and his followers, are misguided and ignorant and beyond the pale of Islam; those among them who have knowledge are even worse. [Al-Subki]

    Undoubtedly the famous book Al-Fusoos contains blatant kufr, as does al-Futoohaat al-Makkiyyah. If it is true that he wrote this and continued to believe in it until he died, then he is a kaafir who is doomed to eternity in Hell, no doubt about it. [Abu Zar’ah ibn al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi]


    Not a single word was mine, I have read some part of Fusus al-Hikam The Bezels of Wisdom and Al-Futūḥāt al-Makkiyya by Ibn Arabi and believe me it wasn't a good thing to read and what is more Funny that several leading Scholars of Indo-Pak declare Ibn Arabi – a great saint particularly Barelvis and Deobandis as well.

  29. Nazia Avatar

    Khuda kay wastey mughal

    please guide me in simple words.

    I am very duffer person of net and avoid deep philosophy for learning human behaviors.

    so you should keep this high profile discussion for Islamic scholars like dr khan observer etc

    For my quick understanding you have to develop simple ways and come out of this deep rooted Islamic philosophy.

    Please take care or weak people too while discussing with high profile people.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      In simple words Islamic Philosophy in my humble view "be good to people, offer them Salam [whether you know them or not], offer food to people [whether you know them or not], and recite "Astaghfirullah" 100 time every day, and hold your tongue and hands lest they harm people [Reference: Several Agreed upon Hadiths in Riaz As Saleheen]

  30. Nazia Avatar

    That is great

    Now you are behaving like good boy and guy who really wants to share good deed with all people in quick and easy way.

    Sometimes we have to take care of low Iq people too.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Not sometimes but all the time:

      On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) will say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I fell ill and you visited Me not. He will say: O Lord, and how should I visit You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so had fallen ill and you visited him not? Did you not know that had you visited him you would have found Me with him? O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not. He will say: O Lord, and how should I feed You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so asked you for food and you fed him not? Did you not know that had you fed him you would surely have found that (the reward for doing so) with Me? O son of Adam, I asked you to give Me to drink and you gave Me not to drink. He will say: O Lord, how should I give You to drink whin You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: My servant So-and-so asked you to give him to drink and you gave him not to drink. Had you given him to drink you would have surely found that with Me. [Saheeh Muslim]

  31. Nazia Avatar


    I hardly see followers of Holy Prophet obeying this simple law of humanity but on the other side wester and Muslims countries have more trend to follow this order of Allah.

    Even in our social circle level I see clear difference of food supply to servant and lower class .

    So we have inherited this trait and still following the law of superiority complex in our system .

    You know such strong message is discussed in all daras popular in ladies circle but in an hour we can judge its importance that same ladies distribute left over of food items to their maids .

    So instead of followers of blind faith we are actually followers of deaf and lie faith.We lie to our conscious too as if we are blind followers of Allah and Rasool we would never ever think of such hypocrisy.

    1. Silver Slayer Avatar
      Silver Slayer

      If this "leader" is better than the ones we already have … whats the harm … I saw Dr. Israr Ahmed opinion the other day and he has no problem with him.

      Why don't you stand up to lead the country out of this mess … if you believe you have the passion … rather than criticizing or "analyzing" the character

    2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      see clear difference of food supply to servant and lower class . left over of food items to their maids.


      Read how Loving Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] to his servant:

      Anas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the best of people in attitude. One day he wanted to send me on an errand and I said, “By Allaah, I will not go.” But my intention was to go and do what the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had told me to do. I went out and passed by some boys who were playing in the market, and there the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) took hold of me by the neck from behind. I looked at him and he was smiling. He said, “O Unays, did you go and do what I told you to?” I said, “Yes, I will go, O Messenger of Allaah.” Anas said: By Allaah, I served him for nine years and I never heard him say for anything that I did, “Why did you do such and such?” or for something that I did not do, “Why did you not do such and such?” [Muslim]

      Feed your servants before you eat because they are the one who prepare the food bearing heat of sun and stove. [Sunan Abu Dawood]

      It was narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I served the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for ten years and he never said to me “Uff!” (a word of contempt) or “Why did you do such and such?” or “Why did you not do such and such?” [Bukhaari and Muslim]

      He [Prophet Mohammad – PBUH] He never criticized me for anything [Muslim – a different version of the same hadith above]

      It was narrated that Abu Mas’ood al-Badri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I was beating a slave of mine with a whip, then I heard a voice behind me saying, “Remember, Abu Mas’ood.” I did not recognize the voice because I was so angry, but when he drew close to me I saw that it was the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he was saying, “Remember, Abu Mas’ood; remember, Abu Mas’ood.” I threw the whip aside and he said, “Remember, Abu Mas’ood, that Allaah has more power over you than you have over this slave.” I said, “I will never beat another slave again.” [Muslim]

    3. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      our social circle level I see clear difference of food supply to servant and lower class. distribute left over of food items to their maids. [Nazia]


      Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah says: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection: a man who makes a promise in My name then breaks his word, a man who sells a free man and consumes his price, and a man who employs another and benefits from him (his labour), then does not give him his wages.’” [Bukhaari]

    4. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      see clear difference of food supply to servant and lower class . left over of food items to their maids.


      Crux of Interpretation of several Hadiths regarding rights of servants as defined in Fath al Baari [Tafseer of Bukhari by Ibn Hajar] and Riaz As Saleheen by Imam Nuwi]

      He should give his servant the same food as he eats, He should clothe him as he clothes himself, He should not give him more to do than he is able for, and if he does that he should help him. He should pay him a wage that is appropriate to his work and his efforts. He should not insult him or hit him, He should treat him well and be kind to him, He should overlook his mistakes and shortcomings

    5. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      You know such strong message is discussed in all daras popular in ladies circle


      Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do you know who the bankrupt one is?” They said, “Among us, the one who is bankrupt is the one who has no money or goods.” He said: “The one who is bankrupt among my ummah is the one who will come on the Day of Resurrection with prayer, fasting and zakaah (to his credit), but he will come having insulted this one, slandered that one, consumed the wealth of this one, shed the blood of that one, beaten this one, so they will all be given some of his good deeds, and if his good deeds run out before all the scores are settled, then some of their bad deeds will be taken and thrown onto him, then he will be thrown into the Fire.” [Muslim]

    6. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Nazia says: March 25, 2010 at 11:26 pm Mughal – Even in our social circle level I see clear difference of food supply to servant and lower class . So we have inherited this trait and still following the law of superiority complex in our system .


      Lower Class????

      AJLAF OR ASHRAF WIFE [Daughter in Law]

      Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said:

      "A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty or her religion; choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust! [Bukhari and Muslim]


      Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said: "If there comes to you one with whose religious commitment and character you are pleased, then marry your daughter to him; if you do not do so, it will be a cause of fitnah and widespread mischief on earth."[Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]

  32. Nazia Avatar

    No one is leader in this web world and all are equally sharing their views as per experience.

    Is it necessary that commentators should lead the nation.

    We are busy in our professional and social life and contirbuting as much as to end this mess created by our all time rulers.

    I am not mentioning a character but discussing the trends of society looks followers of Quran and sunnah.

  33. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Silver Slayer says: – March 26, 2010 at 12:35 am I saw Dr. Israr Ahmed opinion the other day and he has no problem with him.



    If Dr Israr doesn't have problem with Mr Zaid Hamid [keeping in view Mirza Yousuf] then it is quite disturbing.

  34. Nazia Avatar

    Oh Mughal

    I read all this in my course books since my childhood and continuously listened in milad and daras culture but I am sorry to say I never saw its real implementation in my surroundings but in west I felt this trend of equality is widely adopted by nonmuslim groups which clearly represents that human side of Islam strongly match with moral values of human development.

    The difference is they adopted it and we have forgotten it implying in our normal life and keep such Aiyats and hadiths for discussing in teaching and preaching areas only.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      in milad and daras culture but I am sorry to say I never saw its real – such Aiyats and hadiths for discussing in teaching and preaching areas only.


      أَتَأْمُرُونَ النَّاسَ بِالْبِرِّ وَتَنسَوْنَ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ تَتْلُونَ الْكِتَابَ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ

      Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practise it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense? [AL-BAQARA (THE COW) – Chapter 2 – Verse 44]

  35. Nazia Avatar


    I think that you never handled the people as servants, laborers or people on mercy or self pity bases.

    I do it frequently and receive lot of setbacks that virtues are not all time considered as moral duties but sometime people take it for granted.

    That is why most crimes are done by trust worthy servants.

    Even adopted children take an undue advantage after feeling any deficiency in affection of guardians.

    Human psychology is very complex and beyond the range of fix religious orders and particular social laws.

    I find that you lack in practicality of handling multiple human attitude and only fix your principle in limited range.

    It is quite different than theory what we see in our prescribed Books..

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Mughal I think that you never handled the people as servants, laborers or people on mercy or self pity bases. I do it frequently and receive lot of setbacks that virtues are not all time considered as moral duties but sometime people take it for granted.


      Dear Ms. Nazia

      I strongly disagree because I find wonderful people amongst Labourers and Servants and if they take help for granted then it is not wrong but natural they are deprived and privileged people are indulged in showoff [for example if you throw skin of Fresh Fruits in a poor locality where they don't even have the luxury of simple meal the what do you expect – it is also detested in Islam to even eat fruit without sharing it with the neighbour or poor]

      Even more detested rather Allah sends His curse on those Parties [Valima and other such gathering where sumptuous meal is sevred] where poor people are not invited.

      Again I say servants and laborers poor people I have met were wonderful people. Let me tell you my family used to live in Larkana and when we shifted to other city [due to transfer] we were invited to a dinner and you won't beleive that we were inivited by a Housemaid [an old lady] in her Hut [Jhuggi – Jhonpri] and served us the best meal we have ever eaten and that i can never forget. There are many such happy incidents. I find these people very honest, loving and very protective provided just "give them respect and honour because it is everybody's basic right. Love conquers all.

  36. Nazia Avatar


    your unique experience is an emotional pull and you are right that in rural areas or comparatively small cities the people who served you for long times and in response you keep them in well conditions then such passions are observed. but this logic is not fit to all.

    My human side is genetically very strong and I try my best to give people full respect on the basis of their work, responses and attitude and here I have experienced many bitter and deceiving attitude during handling labor and servant class.But Allah always saved me by serious loss and my friends always blamed me for trusting and keeping them in well condition are my major weakness.

    So all fingers are not equal.

    Hunger, deprivation, lawlessness and illiteracy sometimes misguided this class that is why mostly robbery, theft,kidnapping or even killing is done by the most reliable servant and person of the family.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      Stay wasn't that long. You are right that all fingers are not equal and it is also applied on underprivileged class.

  37. Nazia Avatar


    Human values in our society have fallen more than expectation.

    Educated class even loosing its values like respect to elders, socialization without purpose,honesty, avoiding speaking truth , hospitality etc so there is nothing to blame this class as they learn all this from superior class or characters of state.

    So you hardly find any noble person as our national hero so whom people would follow.

    Kashmir and swat people were throughout known for their simple nature and were known as best and honest workers but earthquake, war escalation and state mismanagement for ignoring their areas are changing their attitude and media is also contributing a lot to create awareness among their frustrated youth .So you can say that now complexes is triggering the frustration of this class and they are reacting to financially settle people which was not seen common in our elders time.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Financially Settled people have great responsibility on their shoulders because what Allah has provided them must be shared.

  38. wrong name of predic Avatar
    wrong name of predic

    Naimatullah Shah Wali is the right name. Correct that please.

  39. Bilal Hashim Avatar
    Bilal Hashim

    A lie is a lie and cant be hidden forever as truth always prevail…Reality proves itself and doesn't require anyone else to prove it 🙂