Who is Zaid Zaman Hamid? Brasstacks or Yousuf Kazzab Prophecy?
In the past few weeks there has been a buzz spreading around Pakistan’s digital world talking about the recent fame surrounding the TV show personality Zaid Hamid who conducts a show on TV One called Brasstacks. It should be mentioned that brasstacks is reportedly a paid-for show which has started airing barely a few months back and has developed a very strong following amongst the masses. Admittedly Zaid Hamid is quite eloquent in his show and is well versed in his explaining his innumerable concepts of ranging from economic terrorism by the Zionists to other such issues which are poised at him even Islamic issues
I too have been guilty of occasionally catching a glimpse of his show and did even carry his five part series on Economic Terrorism. All seemed well until a close associate contacted me via facebook sharing his concerns about Zaid Zaman Hamid and revealed his suspicious association with Yousuf Ali, a self proclaimed prophet from Lahore in the 1990’s. Zaid Zaman was purportedly the right hand man of Yousuf Ali and was fondly referred to as his Hazrat Ali. Zaid Zaman was instrumental in spreading the message of prophecy far across Pakistan, to develop a large cult like following in Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad mostly due to Zaid Zaman’s excellent communication skills.
Yousuf Ali had been preaching his divine revelation to his followers for quite many years when finally a handful defected and braved to testify against him in the Lahore High Court which ultimately gave Yousuf Ali, a death sentence on charges of Blasphemy. Yousuf Ali was then confined to Kot Lakhpath jail and in 2001 was shot dead by a fellow prisoner. Throughout the legal proceedings one witness after another testified to the fact that Zaid Zaman was a key figure in the promotion of Yousuf Ali’s Kazzab movement. I have been told that there even does exists an analog video of Zaid Zaman standing beside Yousuf Ali while he addressed his followers in Lahore. Somehow the fact that Zaid Zaman was a key figure in this movement is generally a foregone conclusion, as there are one too many eye witnesses and more importantly numerous had testified the fact which may even be present in the records of Lahore High Court, including Zaid Zaman’s testimony to the honorable judge, all records are securely preserved in the archives of Tahaffuz-e-Khatm-e-Nabuwwat in Karachi.
The Zaid Zaman Hamid storm actually started with the email from Naufil Shahrukh, a close friend whom I have known since 1990, the email at first in the form of a private message on Facebook but soon propagated online and published on Dictatorship Watch, verbatim
If you guys remember the Pakistan false prophet, Yousuf Ali, who was arrested and sentenced to death by the Lahore High Court and then murdered in Kot Lakhpat jail by a fellow prisoner – this guy Zaid Hamid was known as Zaid Zaman at that time and was the Khalifah of that Kazzab. Zaid is still leading that cult which belongs to the Firqah Batinyah of Sufism and they have a different aqeedah altogether which they only profess within their inner core. Many of my personal friends fell prey to his charisma in the 1990s, some of them reverted back to Hidayah and were instrumental in filing a case against Yusuf Ali which ultimately lead to his death sentence and the cult members dispersed for a few years.
The time line of events that he narrates in his letter are erringly accurate and when Naufil mentioned to me later pointing out the common friends who fell prey to this cult one does weigh in a sigh of relief to have been spared of the poison. The most logical reason as to why our neighborhood was penetrated to such an extent can be attributed to the fact that Zaid Hamid hailed from our locality. Off the friends who willingly embraced Yousuf Ali’s prophecy was Ryzwan Tayyab who very soon featured himself as a militant leader of the movement and after the collapse of this movement has retreated into a cocoon of severe depression irreparably damaging his family around him. Ryzwan was also involved in actually issuing death threats to the few journalists who were critically investigating Yousuf Ali back in those days.
The resurfacing of Zaid Hamid after 15 years of hibernation is interesting, he catapults himself in 2006 as a security threat analyst frequently publishing PDF based Pakistan threat reports for a subscription fee of Rs. 25,000 but within a span of a two years mustered up enough finances to launch a self sponsored TV show which started transmission in the early months of 2008, suspiciously timed around the fall of the Pervaiz Musharraf’s regime. The sudden shot to fame on TV is being compared to the launch of Dr. Shahid Masood’s End of Time series, which too was based on an eloquent anchor with one too many theories to present.
Off the numerous people stepping forth to expose Zaid Hamid the must read narration is of a two year email correspondence between Zaid Hamid and Abidullah Jan. It gives an insight onto Zaid Zaman when he first started sharing his BrassTacks Security reports, slowly moving into becoming a much sought after personality. What was interesting to read was when in the early months of 2007 Zaid Zaman approached Abidullah Jan struggling to stay afloat and requested Abid to help promote his security reports to a wider audience “I am in need of some clients to stay afloat as I am being squeezed by the government’s men for being too open and ruthless”. Zaid Hamid a few months later, after the 3rd Nov Martial Law appeared on a couple of pro-Musharraf TV shows on PTV with Ahmed Qureshi. Then suddenly out of the blue he is able to muster up enough finances to launch a self sponsored show on TV One. Watching a person flutter from being financially strapped and haunted by ‘government’s men’ to appearing on a pro-Musharraf show, then having catapulting into his own show seems all too suspiciously the work of some ‘hidden hands‘
If coincidence was anything to go by, I also noted that around this time emerged Zaid Hamid’s articles on a very staunch pro-Musharraf proponent Ahmed Quraishi who continues to wage an online battle with the Anti-Musharraf sect. When today I inquisitively launched a witch hunt for Zaid Hamid on the website I was surprised to see that quite a few of Zaid Hamid’s editorials were missing for example the January 29th article which should have led to the page has been removed from the website sometime after September 5th 2008 [as indicated by the Google Cache] and this is not the only article missing of the series, I wonder why the sudden cover up after September 5th by Ahmed Quraishi.
The only acknowledgment of any link with Yousuf Ali came from an email shared with me privately where Zaid Hamid Alhamdolillah, i have nothing to do with Yousuf or his beliefs or any other people like him.
Lest I be charged of taking this message out of context I share with you the entire section of the email so people may understand his response fully
In the last 30 years of my life, In search of truth and to study this world and its ideologies, Allah took me to many places and I met many people. I have traveled with Iranian revolution, have faught in Afghan Jihad, have gone out with Tablighi Jmaat, spent time with Jamaat Islami, have met hundreds of people including Dr. Israr, Ahmad deedat, Yusuf Islam, Anne Marrie schimmel and so on and so forth. Have also been with sufi groups in Pakistan, Turkey, Madina and Cyprus. I have also seen the western society, its civilization from a close range. Whatever I speak and do today, is the result of these experiences in life but with the mercy of Allah, He protected his humble slaves and keeps them in His infinite mercy and guidance. He showed me the world and people, but kept me away from their harm and made me benefit from any khair they had.
I also met and studied many objectionable people who were controversial but in the end Allah kept me away from them. It was all learning experiences. Alhamdolillah, i have nothing to do with Yusuf or his beliefs or any other people like him
Though he puts forth a convincing argument but it seems yet again that he refuses to acknowledge his association with Yousuf Ali to categorically say that he has “nothing to do with Yousuf or his beliefs” is this admittance of his association or denial of the fact?
Proponents of Zaid Hamid continue to plead his innocence even today as Pakistan First blog, which has been previously labeled to have a strong pro-Musharraf tilt, shared an article by Asif Shiraz who writes Zaid Hamid: As I knew him
I first met Zaid hamid at the youthful age of 17, when the emotions were high, and the search for truth pristine and innocent. A friend had told me about Zaid Hamid, and I was anxious to meet him: I was not disappointed. Our first meeting was a blast. I enjoyed Zaid sahib’s charismatic talk on many different issues, especially his passion about Islam and his knowledge on a diverse set of subjects. Although it’s been many years now, I still remember highlights of that conversation: Quotations from Iqbal, recollection of glorious events from the lives of the Sahaba, and discussion of the relevance of having truth faith “Yaqin”. Not once on that day, nor ever afterwards in these fifteen years, have I ever heard anything from Zaid Hamid which is incongruent to ideas present in mainstream religious teachings of Ahl-e-Sunnah wal-jamaat. No mention of any “cult ideology”, and no reference to anyone claiming “prophethood” whatsoever. He is a firm believer in Khatme-e-Nabuwat and the finality of Prophet Muhammad(sm). In fact, Zaid Hamid is the only person whom I have met, who lives in a rented home, but still spends a handsome chunk of his earnings every year to pay a visit to the blessed cities of Hijaz-e-Muqaddas. It is nothing other than Zaid Hamid’s love and devotion to the Prophet(sm) that he has visited Masjid-e-Nabwi more than 10 times. After the first initial meeting, I have been in touch with Zaid Hamid off and on for many years, until I moved to Chaklala Scheme III becoming his neighbor and an even closer friend.
Asif Shiraz does admit in his article that he is now a neighbor of Zaid Hamid but surprisingly fails to disclose that he is an employee of BrassTacks as proclaimed by him in this Facebook message (Screen capture) whilst a little investigation also sheds some light that Mr. Asif Shiraz incidentally happens to be the Administrative domain contact for Zaid Hamid’s website Brasstacks.biz (screen capture)
It is sadly Asif Shiraz’s attempt to stand up for his boss only goes to discredit Zaid Zaman. To analyze Zaid Hamid’s Brasstacks TV show one should read the two articles published in The News by Fasi Zaka September 18th The Pakistan Report and on 25th September published a follow up titled Hate Speech – II
My concern here remains is that Zaid Zaman is appearing on public TV and continues to eloquently preach his philosophy to the public at large, had if this individual remained as private entity, then we would have had no right to question his beliefs, but once he dons the public forum, then I feel it is the right of the people to know the facts. Generally as a free society we cannot stop him from sharing his opinion with the public at large but it is our right to question his logic and any underlying issues that may tarnish his analysis as he chooses to present to the public, and in the same pretext its important to then question his association with the self proclaimed prophet a notion strictly prohibited in the religion of Islam.
The mystery surrounding this controversy seemingly gets worse with every passing day, could it be a mere propaganda, could it be his attempt to cover up his past, or does he simply choose ignore and hopefully forget, but more importantly does he still believe in the prophecy, so many questions, all shall remain a mystery until he alone chooses to address the propaganda and clarify his position once in for all
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From what i’ve seen/ heard on 1-2 of his shows on tv one so far is that he’s been talking about the flawed internationally monetary system that has led to the current financial crisis & which threatens the world’s banking/ financial system. Most of what he has said/ and what ive heard is correct and factual/ verifiable.
It seems like ISI, wants the Islamic crowd back to support it. They failed miserably to divide the Pakistani Talibans.
Now they are simply trying to wash-away the dirt and dishonor which Mush brought to the Pak Army and ISI.
This is a very difficult subject to comment on. On one hand I know that any body as much as comes close to “certain issues” will immediately become a victim of smear campaign, on the other hand many have known to be ‘agent provocateur’ in the garb of advocating exactly the opposite. In the west many tatooed to the max racist are known to be on the ‘payroll’. I suggest put all info out there and allow all possible refutes always keeping in mind that nothing might be what they appear to be!
oh dear… like the aalim online post this one will soon spout millions who will distract from the subject at hand to discuss whose version of islam is the correct one.
what can be said?
These are nonsense/heretical movements and I even read few days back that large numbers of Pak-Qadiani’s are working in Israeli armed forces.
http://ummatpublications.com/2008/10/04/lead8.php
I really condemn all these heretical movements which are part of Jewish-Cabbalah and Christian-Gnosticism.
I’m a follower of Dr. Israr Ahmed teachings and thoughts. He’s the best among all mad-mullahs.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/conservatives1.html
Dr. Israr Ahmed Pakistan most renowned orator who also frequently appears on PEACE TV. He’s my father 1st cousin.
One can download his public speeches from his site where He also talked about Qadyaniyyet.
http://www.tanzeem.org/broadcast/audio/urdu/misc.asp
Muslim sufism and Christian gnosticism are identical in many ways even pak Qadiani’s are working in Israeli armed forces
http://ummatpublications.com/2008/10/04/lead8.php
The world is flat because Galileo was not Muslim.
Dear guYasir,
-> ‘600 Ahmedis join Israeli army’ – is the headline of the report you linked to. This implies the activity was recent, but the book it cites as proof (Israel T Naamani’s book ‘Israel: A Profile’) was published 34 years ago!!!
-> Ahmedis collected funds for India during the Kargil War, it quotes the jewish researcher as saying. Sir, how could Naamani mention the 1999 Kargil War in a book published in 1974???
-> Re: the original Article in the ‘London Post’ – Sir, why are ALL the articles in the comments section by Dr Shahid Qureshi? Is it even a newspaper or a self-promotional website in beta by this ‘award winning’ journalist?
Asif Shiraz was webmaster of wahe.net, official web site of Yusuf Kazzab. The site is now dead and domain ownership is with a company in India.
Site archive can be checked at http://tinyurl.com/4e5hop
Sufism and gnosticism are part of Jewish-Cabbalah which aim is to destroy four pillars of human beings;
1.Race 2.Nation 3.Family 4.Religion
I do not believe on these movements and declare them ‘heretical’
I’m a follower of Dr.Israr Ahmed who is my father 1st cousin and renowned orator also appears on Peace Tv.
http://www.tanzeem.org
I learned of Mr. Yusuf Ali (aka Yousuf Kazzab) from these articles about Zaid Zaman Hamid. So I have no person/ideological basis to defend him.
I think the discussions on this case assume that he claimed to be a prophet/messenger (Nauzubillah).
Here’s a defense of him from Sufis, an Islamist, and an Orientalist:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010823225303/www.wahe.net/legal/scholars.htm
My hunch is that he was a charismatic leader of a Sufi group who uttered certain statements that are common among many Sufi leaders — uttered mainly among followers in private only — and that this was unpalatable for potential rivals and Wahhabis.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe he did make some extremely heretical claims.
But u also have to admit that it was shady how he was shot by another prisoner. How did the prisoner get the gun? The government did not want to kill him, but did not want to not punish him so they had someone else do it.
Maybe Zaid Hamid was affiliated with the group. If he was, he is either denying it because of shame or dissimulation.
In the end, I think this was the case of an esoteric Sufi punished for his ecstatic utterances punished by controversy hungry rival mullahs.
@Teeth,
I can share with you some first hand information, if you need to know in depth, you can call me or have a chat on MSN.
1. The guys is working for CIA, and was recruited by CIA duringAfghan jihad, the security company is merely a cover up, although he speaks against America, as its a favourite of public, but actually he is working on a dangerous agenda.
2. His job is to create a cult, which is being supported by some multinationals on CIA instructions, then to work for ‘Khilaphate’, in Afghanistan and Pakistan, this is a long exposed agenda of CIA to push Pakistan in to civil war.
3. The most dangerous thing he is doing is convincing people to ‘dump’ paper money and convert their savings in to ‘Brasstacks Gold Coins’, this will not only crash our banking system but also push our currency to be worthless. The part of plan for economic squeez for Pakistan.
@sohaib kamran
@all
“From what i’ve seen/ heard on 1-2 of his shows on tv one so far is that he’s been talking about the flawed internationally monetary system that has led to the current financial crisis & which threatens the world’s banking/ financial system. Most of what he has said/ and what ive heard is correct and factual/ verifiable.”
Please be certain that whatever he is telling you are half-truths/twisted-facts. Yes, “most” of what he says is correct but not “all” (I am sure you will agree what most of a christian priest says is correct. It’s the bit that he is wrong about is what matters).
Don’t you find it hypocritical that a guy vilifies banking proudly displays names of bankers in his list of clients (see his Security Education Services page and scroll down to “Workship Participants’ Opinion”)? Isn’t it hypocritical that a guy who presents the corporations / oil companies as instruments of Satan proudly counts them among his clients and offers them protection (see Customer Opinion page and his home page at brasstacks.biz?
He is the PERFECT poster boy for this age of hypocrisy and anything-for-a-buck.
By the way if you really want to know about the “flawed internationally monetary system”, etc. read (or watch) some Chomsky, Paul Craig Roberts, Howard Zinn, Michael Parenti, Vandana Shiva, etc. Now don’t be lazy! Laziness gets you in bed with Zaid Hamid…
I cannot comment on Zaid Hamid past but the topics discussed currently seems to be true/verifiable, there is no doubt people have gained knowledge about the zionist banking system that the federal reserve is a private bank. This kind of information was previously available but not research. what zaid hamid did is compile all the information. he discussed 4 months back that the dollar is crashing and now the world is talking about it, people are converting there assets into property or other investment (other the money). Reko Dig gold mine was first promoted in his program.
What I meant to say is that he has done quite a few good things
@ Silence….
Well I am not a defender of Zaid Hamid as i dont know him, but as per point number 3. It shows you dont know about how economy works… converting the paper money into gold coins is never a threat to economic system but yes for the banking system IT REALLY IS. I think you have not read in Quran about Allah’s hatred among those who are involved in this blood sucking banking system (interest).
Pakistan has got world’s largest reserves of gold and coal.. These are the reserves which will boom your economy not the paper money, a worthless piece of paper. Why our foreign master dont want us to drill all these resources if they cannot change our fortunes?/?
Just think.
As far as zaid zaman is concerend whatever he has told during the shows is a reality, therefore i am interested in his personal life but yes, if i see him preaching the ODD Islam, i would definitely go on attack.
Just read this to open your eyes and see the BIGGER picture
i think gy yasir is not Muslim . you does not believe on Sufism. r u mad? i think u have mental problems.
Although it was shocking for me to read such things abt Zaid Hamid as I was a fan of him….
but I think these 5 questions are needed to be answered from Zaid Hamid so as to clear his position
1. Kya Yusuf Ali ne Noor-e-Muhammad (SAW) ka “libas” hone ka dawa kiya thha aur apne mannay walon ko sahabi-e-rasool kaha thha, jis mein aap bhi shamil thhay?
2. Kya Yusuf Ali ne aap ko apna khalifa namzad kiya thha?
3. Kya aap ne Yusuf Ali ki saza ke khilaf siyasatdanon aur ulema se rabtay naheen kiye aur us ka case adalat mein naheen lara?
4. Aap Yusuf Ali ki taleemat se kab taeb huay?
5. Kya aap iqrar karte hain ke Yusuf Ali kazzab aur fasiq thha aur usay Lahore High Court ne saza-e-maut ka jo faisla sunaya thha wuh durust thha?
Thanks for letting us know about these kind of people who seem to be very nice and helpful and informative but in fact they have very dangerous intentions. Mostly people like us tend to believe in what these people say becuase we don´t have a clue of the background they (Zahid Hamid) come from and because they usually tend to present what is wrong in a very skillful way so that general public can accept their views and agree with their opinions right away. Finally the bottom line is that never ever draw good or bad conclusions about somebody until and unless you have complete information about him/her in this era we live in because some times good people turn into bad people and vice versa. Thanks
Atif Rasool
Islamaabd
yaseen ch is a kid who doesn’t know the big picture of sufism and gnosticism.
He’s the one who read articles from Urdu newspapers and translate it to english without referring/reading to its original source like he wrote about Tariq Ali blog and got self-embarrassment. stupid CH
Yaseen ch seems a ‘Paindu’ whose Akal lies on its toes and plz do your comments and get lost rather criticizing others while you don’t know anything.
Whether I’m muslim or not its not ur prb you should rather look inside in yourself and set things straight.
Dr. Awab:
The correct word is “prophethood,” not “prophecy.” Please get the basics right. You have condemned a few people without sufficient knowledge!
“Assalam-0-Alikum”
“Peace Be Upon You”
This is the mail i got from Zaid Hamid which will answer you:-
Dear Zaid,
aa and dua. Total non-sence and shameless bohtan.
Curse of Allah, angels and momineen be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhemmed Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem are those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhemmed Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.
Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping my self under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this deen and in love of Rasul Allah. My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remains for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
We will inshallah, will not be distracted and continue our mission of protecting Pakistan against all threats, internal and external.
Wassalam and duago
Zaid Hamid
@ Shadab:
I think you have no understanding of how economies work & what constitutes wealth.
Just as paper money is a worthless piece of paper, Gold is a worthless piece of metal. Gold derives its value as it used to provide a means to store & transact among people & because it has a demand for use in ornaments & jewelery. Otherwise gold is a worthless piece of metal – you cannot eat it, it cannot provide you with shelter, water, anything at all – just like paper money which is not wealth itself but is a way to transact & buy & sell real assets.
So if we start transacting in gold how the hell will that make us better off?
Tell me which country is better off:
Country A that has ample agricultural production to feed its people / Has a large manufacturing base which produces everything from pins to cars & airplanes / has a well developed service industry but it deals in paper currency.
Country B that has little agriculture, needs to import food, no factories, mills etc., little service industry but has one ton of gold for each of its citizens?
By your logic & Zaid Hamid’s logic Country B is the better off one.
Secondly, someone said that Zaid Hamid is a CIA agent because he is propagating that we convert our paper money to gold & that will destroy our banking system & economy. If really it was that easy & people that stupid.
@ Altaf,
Well OK if i dont have understanding of economics please answer my following simple questions:
1)Where this paper currency comes??
2)What is the standard behind this paper money?
3)Do we print whatever amount of money we want?
4)Why we are not allowed to dug our Gold reserves? If they are worth nothing?
The above questions will definitely allow all of us to know how much understanding do u have about the economics.
regards,
Shadab
@ Altaf
And yes the country B is better off.
As for Zaid hamid association with CIA is concerned, i know nothing about him.
“The world is round as galileo said, but hey Galileo was a Non-Muslim, therefore the fact is, world is flat”
Just think and answer.
regards,
Shadab
Encore with some updates;
yaseen ch is a kid who doesn’t know the real picture of sufism and gnosticism.
He’s the one who read articles from Urdu newspapers and translate it to english without referring/reading to its original source like he wrote about Tariq Ali blog and got self-embarrassment. stupid CH aka choudhary haan aren’t you?
Well I know choudhary’s very well in khi. I had a friend of uni named Ali choudhary whose father was director of Military land in Grade23. Ali choudhary committed suicide 7 years back which means he wasn’t a muslim once he committed suicide despite been wealthy. This is unlawful/sinful in Islam now I think Choudhary’s/Mian alike aren’t Muslims. I wish you and your cronies too do the same in order to clean our country from Yokels.
yaseen ch change ur nick and keep Yokel and I’ll keep Yasir
Yaseen ch seems a ‘Paindu’ whose Akal lies on his toes and plz do your comments and get lost rather criticizing others while you don’t know anything.
Whether I’m muslim or not its not ur prb you should rather look inside in yourself and set curve things straight.
In conclusion. I wanna ask; have ya gotcha? if not then get pocha rub ur ass and afterwards rub ur face too so you might gotcha real picture about who’s Muslim and who’s pretend to be Muslim.
@teeth
thanks for eye opening artile
when google about Zahid.
i have found more interesting stuff which i like to share
- Zahid was also the part of Biggest Scandal of Brititian based Islamic NGO
- He was relation with Abdullah Shah Masood.
@ guyyasir
please view the following link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2zM1BOGeco
@FizDosani
A few corrections,
1-Its Zaid not Zahid (writing a wrong name may allow ZZ Hamid to deny this fact :))
2-It was AHMED Shah Masood and NOT Abdullah Shah Masood.
Az’zaam-
Please follow your own advice of “Think & Answer”.
Paper currency is issued by the Govt. Money itself is worthless – It is just a medium of exchange.
The Govt. controls the amount of money that is in circulation in the economy. By controlling the money supply the Govt. tries giving direction to the economy. Increasing the money supply increases the overall demand in the economy – this can lead to demand induced growth in the economy – however, If the govt. increases the money supply uncontrollably then it will lead to inflation – as has happened in Pakistan.
Paper currency does not represent the entire amount of money in the economy. Notes & Coins in circulation constitute just a small % of the entire money supply.
Nobody can stop you from digging gold if you own the land yourself. If you find gold in your backyard, you can dig all you want. But when public land is concerned, of course the govt. has the right to restrict & control who digs for gold & that the govt. is compensated accordingly. Just like it is the case for oil, diamonds, coal or any other commodity you can think of.
And your answer of Country B just shows your understanding of what constitutes real wealth in an economy. The real wealth of an economy is not the amount of gold & silver or the amount of notes & coins in circulation. It is the productive resources within the economy – the agricultural land, the factories, roads, bridges, dams etc. etc. Notes, Coins or Gold just serve as a medium of exchange (gold also has some value due to its use in ornaments & jewelery. Otherwise it is just as worthless as paper currency if not backed by a guarantee).
By your definition the Inca’s in 15th century South America had a higher standard of living than say the Japanese have today, which is just stupid.
I personally have never agreed much with the way Zaid Hamid joins together a series of facts & sometimes fiction to create unbelievable conspiracy theories.
His analysis in his talk on Economic Terrorism for example is just stupid if someone has just a little bit of understanding of how economies operate.
However, i think that launching personal attacks is the easiest way to discredit a person without actually countering his arguments. I only heard of Zaid Hamid a month ago from a friend & then watched a few of his programs on TV One. I don’t know his background – maybe all that has been written here is true & maybe it isn’t. I also don’t know any of the people referred here who claim they knew Zaid Hamid & his background. So there is really no way a person can determine what the truth is.
However, we can very easily challenge Zaid Hamid’s theories & his version of history in which every muslim invader has been a symbol of piety & selfless devotion. Easily because most of his theories which he presents as facts in his programs are pretty stupid & do not stand to reason at all.
@FizDosani
You’re trying to create contradiction in religious issue while you also do not know the real context of the issue
Better visit his website for explanation either download his .rm or .pdf file for clarification better visit below;
http://www.tanzeem.org/broadcast/pressreleases/2008/June182008/default.asp
The time will surely tell… who was right and wrong.
Why the govt is being compensated?… and who is compensating? If it is a worthless metal.??
@FizDosani
if you read the comments on youtube you’d noticed that all who said Mola Ali those got burnt and they started Matum.
If you’re a shia then definitely its gonna hurt you becuz truth always bitter in taste by nature.
Dr Israr Ahmed is a sunni-muslim and pious preacher of Koran for almost over 4 decades also appears on Peace TV.
I too sunni-muslim and followers of his teachings and thoughts afterall He’s my father 1st cousin.
Dr. Israr Ahmed was awarded Sitara-i-Imtiaz in 1981. I’ve no regret what he said in that vdo I knew and clarifyed b4 ur
We do not have to wait for time – The logic is pretty straightforward for anyone who wants to understand:
The value of gold is in it being a store of value & a medium of exchange. Both of these functions are also provided by paper currency & that is what gives it value. In itself of course the currency is just a piece of paper. Guarantee of the govt. of it being legal tender is what gives it value.
If you are naive enough to believe in what you yourself are saying than please give all the paper currency you own & have kept in the bank to me. I badly need this worthless piece of paper.
There is not much difference between paper currency & gold when it comes to this purpose. You cannot eat gold, use it to build houses, cars, roads, bridges just as you cannot use paper currency to build these things. Both of them are just acting as a store of value & a medium of exchange.
You cannot increase the wealth of a society by printing new currency notes just as you cannot increase the wealth by digging for & adding more gold coins. The amount of goods & services that the economy produces is what determines the wealth & the level of well being in the society. More gold coins just like more paper currency will not mean that the country will start producing more watches, cars, airplanes, computers etc.etc.
This is all pretty elementary economics. You can find this all in economic textbooks of Matric/O-Levels.
@Shadab,
I am a Fund Manager by profession and running a holding company.
To kill economy of any country, you need 2 things;
1. Shake foreign investors confidence by telling them that their investment is not safe;
2. Make local investor put their money in to commodities like gold.
When foreign investors will pull out their investment, rupee will loose value, this is being done by terrorists by bomb blasts and by Zahid Hahimds agency to tell outside investors in his so called reports.
Second part is if you understand that its banking system (good or bad) which is backbone of economy,industry, agriculture and even small business run on loans…..if people pull out their money and convert in to gold, the banks will collapse and result in collapse of entire industry and even agriculture….if you know, each year our agriculture borrows around 150 Billion….how we are even going to grow wheat?
This is a huge concipairacy, enemies of Pakistan are carrying bomb blasts which is resulting in more and more money going out, at this point of time Zahid Hamid has started talking against banking system, the result will be a desastor….complete economic collapse.
Banking system needs to be refined and already been refined to certain extent, there are several Islamic financings being offered.
But what this Zahid Hamid is doing is to built a public opinion against banking system itself, if banking system collapses, no one on earth can save Pakistan from going bankrupt….I hope you can see the volume of conspiracy against Pakistan.
I have asked him and his followers to tell me how gold, which is most unreliable commodity in terms of price can be an alternate, but didnt got an answer as yet. The gold has lost almost 30% in recent few months, what cushions he proposes to those who buy gold. But thats another debate, same experience has failed in Malaysia.
But this is not about that, its about the timing, already we are facing financial difficulties as investor is taking money away and rupees is falling like a rock, in such time, if people start pulling money out of banks and buying ‘Brasstacks gold coins’, we would be dead economy in no time. I hope it clarifies you whats actually happening.
@Altaf
The amount of goods & services that the economy produces is what determines the wealth & the level of well being in the society. More gold coins just like more paper currency will not mean that the country will start producing more watches, cars, airplanes, computers etc.etc.
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Rightly said.
Entire production is based on how much funds are available to production base of a country and how much money circulates in hands. More money circulates, more wealth it creats.
People put their money in banks, industry and agriculture borrows from bank and is able to produce more goods..this brings work and employments, right from workers to transporters, distributors and shopkeepers, giving people liquid funds to spend….when people buy more industry produces more…….this is an economic cycle.
To kill this economic cycle, what you need to do is tell people to put their savings in commodities,it will raise the commodity prices as more demands and kill the production.
This is exectly agenda of enemies of Pakistan.
They have realised that they can not attack Pakistan militarily, an outright war with Pakistan will mean a 3rd WW. They are pushing us to wall by economic collapse and civil war like situation. The first step is to break economic cycle.
Silence: There is one other aspect: If there is no further capacity in the economy to expand production, then increasing the money supply will only lead to inflation.
Inflation can be defined as too much money chasing after too few goods. Increasing the production capacity in an economy takes time – In the meantime if the money supply increases & people have more money to buy goods, prices will go up because production will take time to catch up to demand.
So this needs to be properly managed by the government through its fiscal & monetary policy. Unfortunately our govt. through its irresponsible fiscal policy has led to an increase in the money supply which is the cause of so much inflation.
I think our enemies don’t have to work very hard at destroying us. We are very good at doing it ourselves.
Plus i don’t think Zaid Hamid is part of some grand conspiracy to destabilize the economy. If this is a conspiracy it seems to have come straight out of an Austin Powers movie. I don’t think people are that stupid when it comes to their finances – they will espouse the most unbelievable conspiracy theories but will act practically when it comes to their own finances.
Even people here who are enthusiastically supporting Zaid Hamid’s theories without any understanding of economics will know better than to convert all of their savings into gold. I can bet that not even Zaid Hamid himself would do it.
After reading this essay I sent an email to Zaid Hamid on his company’s email address and I have got a quick and detailed reply, believe me he is very easily accessible! you can contact him directly at his email: info@brasstacks.biz, to clear any point you like. I also request other people who are just trying to spared hate and speculations that they should at least confirm the facts before accusing anyone.. why not have a debate with Mr Zaid instead of writing blogs and comments from you comfortable living rooms? please read his email :
My Dear Danish
aa. Jazak Allah for your message
Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping my self under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this deen and in love of Rasul Allah. My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remains for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
Those with noor can see the rehma, baraka and khair from Allah and love of Rasul Allah in the life and mission of this humble faqeer. Hasbu nallah Naimul Wakeel, Naimul Maula wa naimun Naseer.
Curse of Allah, angels and momineen be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhemmed Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem are those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhemmed Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.
They have accused me of gravest of sins, called me a Kafir and Murtid, follower of false prophets, running cults, doing khiyanat in wealth of orphans and widows, working for secret services against the State, and sponsoring my own program on News1 through secret funding of dubious agencies. Also, being a fraud by pretending to be a doctor or Professor !
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6156&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Do I need to respond to these shameless slandering initiated by this site ??
There are four names we see: None of them know me despite their claims.
* Abid Ullah Jan — He has never met me in life.
* Tahir (reporter) He too has never met me in life.
* N. Shahrukh, (who does not expose his name or address) whom I sure I have never met in life or at least never in last 17 years since I left Karachi.
* Faiyyaz Alam, whom I am also sure have never met in life or at least never in the last 17 years.
How on earth can they claim to know me ????? What are their motives, intentions and backers to try to stop our mission for Pakistan’s national security ???
What evidence they have provided? What they present as evidence is only fabricated allegation of Kufr and Khiyanat not proof !!! Each and every allegation must be backed by proof. Quran, Sunnat, Sharia, law and truth demands it. They respond allegation with more allegation. Have they asked me and seeked clarification before making their Bohtan ?? Are they willing to come and confront me face to face with proof on all bohtans ???
I wanted to avoid a global e-mailing match as this is what they want to draw us into to distract us from our real mission for Pakistan and Ummah. Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required. I will not defend myself any further. Even if you clarify our position, please maintain dignity and honor at all times and don’t make a public shouting match.
We don’t need to scoop to lower levels to defend ourselves and this Deen.
We will inshallah, not be distracted and continue our mission of protecting Pakistan against all threats, internal and external.
Wassalam and duago
Zaid Hamid
5 questions are needed to be answered from Zaid Hamid
1. Kya Yusuf Ali ne Noor-e-Muhammad (SAW) ka “libas” hone ka dawa kiya thha aur apne mannay walon ko sahabi-e-rasool kaha thha, jis mein aap bhi shamil thhay?
2. Kya Yusuf Ali ne aap ko apna khalifa namzad kiya thha?
3. Kya aap ne Yusuf Ali ki saza ke khilaf siyasatdanon aur ulema se rabtay naheen kiye aur us ka case adalat mein naheen lara?
4. Aap Yusuf Ali ki taleemat se kab taeb huay?
5. Kya aap iqrar karte hain ke Yusuf Ali kazzab aur fasiq thha aur usay Lahore High Court ne saza-e-maut ka jo faisla sunaya thha wuh durust thha?
Silence,
What is the source of your *consipiracy* theory. Now don’t tell me that Zardari emaaled you this.
Some of the things Zaid said have been said before and are credible but this doesn’t mean that we take the whole pill and swallow it.
The main purpose behind his talk is to
1) Wash-away the dirt from the face of ISI and Pak Army
2) Divide the support for Taliban.
2) Attract the Islamic Minded crowd (may be away from Taliban and AQ).
@Bullah Shah or …..
I have asked a simple question, which any economist would ask from Zaid Hamid;
What will be effect of issuing ‘Brasstacks Gold Coins’ on banking system and economy?
In ordinary circumstances no body will be worried about such move, this time rupee is already falling like a rock, people are pulling out their investment from the country, rupee has almost 30% of its value and our foreign exchange reserves are unable to support next three months imports….In such state of fear, depression and out flow of cash….
If people start buying his coins, what will happen to economy and Banking system?
What will happen to gold prices if there is surge in demand?
Will gold prices will be the same as these days? Cause every investor is buying gold due to international equities depression?
What will be the hedge for gold coins against price drop in international market?
He claims to be close associate of Osama’s mentor, was OSAMA and his mentor CIA agents?
Questions about his faith, I wont ask, as long as he can explain above things.
Must read if u want to have a balanced view
Zaid Hamid: As I knew himPosted by Asif Shiraz on October 6th, 2008 Posted in: Article
On September 21, 2008, US helicopters violated Pakistani airspace to carry out operations on our soil, amid increasingly belligerent statements against Pakistan by both US presidential candidates. Only a day earlier, a massive suicide bomb at Marriott hotel had left the people of Pakistan in a state of total shock and despair.
In the backdrop of these distressful events, these same two days saw almost 4000 Pakistanis logged in to Zaid Hamid’s BrassTacks website, which has to date seen more than 50,000 unique visitors. Tens of thousands of people tune in to News1 “Yeh Ghazi” and “BrassTacks” TV programs every Sunday, and the videos of BrassTacks on YouTube have been viewed more than a 100,000 times as I write.
As the domestic and international circumstances of our nation have progressively been deteriorating, for the first time in a long while, have the Pakistani people and youth found a person who they can truly relate to, in terms of their aspirations and hopes, ideology and religious beliefs.
Here is a man, who hails “from us” with a middle class background, as opposed to the politicians from stratosphere of wealth. Here is a man who has proven his sincerity to Islam by six years of active participation in the Afghan jihad. Here is a man who convinced us of his intellectual prowess by the sheer depth and breadth of topics that he has discussed. And once again, it is him who has proven that he is a true red-blooded Pakistani to the core by his repeated and principled expositions of all that we stand for as a nation: Our national ideology, and our religion: Pakistan ka matlab kya, La illaha ill Allah.
And lastly, here is a man who has restored our faith in being Pakistani, and given us back a sense of pride in our roots and our history, which are inevitable in any nations march to progress.
And how are we treating him? I almost feel ashamed to say, with severe ingratitude, and injustice. Already, a number of articles aimed at his character assassination have sprung up over the internet, spreading false propaganda against him. Whether the people spreading these ideas are part of an organized foreign sponsored conspiracy, or self-deceived simpletons – one this is clear: What they are spreading against Zaid Hamid is principally flawed to the core. And who am I to say this, you will ask?
Let me introduce myself. My name is Asif Shiraz. I am a graduate of NUST, originally hail from Rawalpindi, and am currently in United States pursuing my Masters Degree, and working at a computer company. The purpose of giving you all these details is not self-propagation, but to put a face to the facts that I am going to mention below. Facts that I normally would not have disclosed, but feel it my patriotic duty to step up and let all my fellow citizens about them. I love Pakistan as dearly as all of you do, and as I see Mr. Zaid Hamid serving as a grass-roots catalyst for positive change, it hurts me to see foolish people “loose” this tremendous opportunity for our country by discrediting him on false charges. So I believe it extremely important to come out and tell everyone all the true facts that I know about him, by my association with him for over fifteen years.
I am a Muslim, and I promise all of you, in witness of Allah (sw), that each and everything that I am going to write down here, is the truth, and is my personal experience. If I lie in anything that I am going to write down here, than may it be held against me on the day of judgment. I also invite anyone disputing with what I write here, to make a similar claim if they are true, and then come forward, if what they say is true!
I first met Zaid hamid at the youthful age of 17, when the emotions were high, and the search for truth pristine and innocent. A friend had told me about Zaid Hamid, and I was anxious to meet him: I was not disappointed. Our first meeting was a blast. I enjoyed Zaid sahib’s charismatic talk on many different issues, especially his passion about Islam and his knowledge on a diverse set of subjects. Although it’s been many years now, I still remember highlights of that conversation: Quotations from Iqbal, recollection of glorious events from the lives of the Sahaba, and discussion of the relevance of having truth faith “Yaqin”. Not once on that day, nor ever afterwards in these fifteen years, have I ever heard anything from Zaid Hamid which is incongruent to ideas present in mainstream religious teachings of Ahl-e-Sunnah wal-jamaat. No mention of any “cult ideology”, and no reference to anyone claiming “prophethood” whatsoever. He is a firm believer in Khatme-e-Nabuwat and the finality of Prophet Muhammad(sm). In fact, Zaid Hamid is the only person whom I have met, who lives in a rented home, but still spends a handsome chunk of his earnings every year to pay a visit to the blessed cities of Hijaz-e-Muqaddas. It is nothing other than Zaid Hamid’s love and devotion to the Prophet(sm) that he has visited Masjid-e-Nabwi more than 10 times.
After the first initial meeting, I have been in touch with Zaid Hamid off and on for many years, until I moved to Chaklala Scheme III becoming his neighbor and an even closer friend.
I always found him very passionate about Pakistan, and the Muslim Ummah. His participation in the Afghan Jihad many times brought him close to death. Once he related such an incident that while laying mines in a field, the Soviet Army suddenly invaded and to save themselves, they drove their jeeps at full speed past through the same mines they had been laying.
One of the hallmarks of a true Muslim, is a constant inward struggle to strengthen ones relationship with God, and traverse the path of upward spiritual growth to attain the status of “ehsaan”. One can only expect Zaid Hamid, who was himself at the prime of his youth at the time, to be an ardent student of Islamic teachings, and always trying to grow his own knowledge and understanding of the deen. This pursuit took him along many paths, exploring many different ideas and crossing the paths of many scholars and thinkers. This is nothing but commendable. Zaid sahib has met many eminent people in his life, so much so that the famous German scholar on Allama Iqbal, Dr. Annemarie Schimmel also knew Zaid sahib. It is possible that at some point in his University Zaid sahib may have interacted with people from the Jamaat-e-Islami also. He has also comprehensively studied the Iranian Revolution as well and had his stints with the Tableeghi-Jamaat. He has travelled to Hijaz, Turkey and Cyprus in search of knowledge, scholars and learned men.
Zaid Hamid is one of the best things that has happened to this nation in a long time, and we must not loose this gem of a person. This is my sincere advise to all those who love the Muslim Ummah, and its strongest Bastion, Pakistan. As for those who are still in doubt, let us make it very clear: Our mission to serve Pakistan will always continue with or with you, and we will insha Allah be successful.
LubnaM and Asif Sheraz,
I have all the respect for your emotional attachment with Mr. Zaid, but there are some legtiamate questions about his ‘teachings’ which must be answered.
Hamid Karzai and Jalal Talibani are also Mulim, like you and me, they are also very clever and knowledgeable people, but each of us has a right to question their agendas, past, vision and who is behind them, as to my understanding Asif is an employee of Mr. Zaid, still, there is no harm if he can get answers of above questions for public knowledge.
5 questions are needed to be answered from Zaid Hamid formerly Zaid Zamaan in plain urdu ” Yes or No”
1. Kya Yusuf Ali ne Noor-e-Muhammad (SAW) ka “libas” hone ka dawa kiya thha aur apne mannay walon ko sahabi-e-rasool kaha thha, jis mein aap bhi shamil thhay?
2. Kya Yusuf Ali ne aap ko apna khalifa namzad kiya thha?
3. Kya aap ne Yusuf Ali ki saza ke khilaf siyasatdanon aur ulema se rabtay naheen kiye aur us ka case adalat mein naheen lara?
4. Aap Yusuf Ali ki taleemat se kab taeb huay?
5. Kya aap iqrar karte hain ke Yusuf Ali kazzab aur fasiq thha aur usay Lahore High Court ne saza-e-maut ka jo faisla sunaya thha wuh durust thha?
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TODAY:
Governor SBP is begging people to open accounts in Banks and deposit their money in Banks. She assures that banking system is stable and loans are not granted on deposits.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/oct2008-daily/07-10-2008/update.htm#92
Mr. Zaid Hamid is telling people to pull out money from Banks as its un Islamic and invest in ‘Brasstacks Gold Coins” and preaching against Banking system, which is to a certain extent brought in according with Islamic principles.
I wonder who to believe at this point of time?
If I believe in saving Pakistan, I must put my money in bank and strenghten economy when we are facing troubles with imperialism and international economic sqeez. If I believe in Zaid Hamid, I must close my account and buy gold coins from him ‘Brasstack gold’!
I am confused, who to believe, can someone here please guide me and rest of the people of this nation?
Silence, if you know where “BrassTack gold coins” are available, please let us know because there is no such thing what you are trying to preach us. Also you have mentioned the statement by Governor SBP, it is not because Zaid Hamid or his ideas.. it is because the current government has no capacity to handle the crises neither to make efficient polices.. what do u expect from a minister who is sitting on 3 ministries at a time? Enjoy the “Democracy” after Musharraf!
[...] ‘Teeth’ published details of his background which ranges from his emails and confession to be an organizer [...]
Silence,
yeah I think she (Gov State Bank of Pakistan) is refering to Zardari indirectly to deposity the Loot he has saved in the banks of London, Dubai, Belgium and US.
Same goes for Nawaz, Peer sahib, Mr Diesel and others..
I wondered how banks in Pakistan could return a hefty 13-14% return on the deposits….Guess not any more.
Why shud i belive that emails in the link are original?????
They can be fake…. If genious like zaid hamid is fake then why not Teeth Maesteroo
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You might be interested in watching Paul Grignon’s 47-minute animated presentation of “Money as Debt”. It is in 5 parts starting here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8
He is not controversial at all.. some people are desperately working on an agenda to portray him as controversial… just listen and read what msg he is trying to convey and judge by yourself who is enemy of the state.. Zaid Hamid or people who are trying to convince that he is a fraud?
They are saying this — the reality of Money and modern Zionist financing system !! This is what Mr. Zaid Hamid is trying to tell us… This is a must watch….
First 15 minutes will blow you away…
Touseef, I think you have answered your own question:
Why would a channel allow a controversial personality like him to host a show in the first place?
Don’t you think millions of people who previously hadn’t heard of this guy or didn’t watch his show will now want to tune in to listen to what he has to say?
TV channels just love controversies & controversial personalities – they are on the lookout for these kinds of people
Faiza: I am not a believer in conspiracies – I don’t personally know Zaid Hamid as most of the people here & i don’t know the people alleging he has a dubious background.
So for any objective person there is no way to tell who is telling the truth.
We can, however, comment on the ’sermons’ that he gives on his TV shows. I’ve watched a few & most of his analysis of the economic history is overly simplistic & stupid to say the least.
Most people don’t have the time or the inclination to verify what Zaid Hamid is saying so they believe him. He comes across as very sincere & he might just as well be but that does not mean that he is right.
@Hammad Khan
Zeitgeist is certainly a very interesting video to watch.
ANother good one is “America: From Freedom to Fascism”
@Faiza
People are not “desperately working on an agenda to portray him as controversial”. They are only trying to expose the truth about him. Of cousrse you will not agree but the fact is that nothing he is saying is new. What is new is the way he twists facts and the spin he gives them. (Illuminati, Bildenberg Group, Zionist Banking, etc. material has been around a LONG time — even before you were probably born. Just because you are not aware of them is no cause to call us “conspirators” :) )
@note…
very well said…i second ur perspective.
Faiza: Dear, now when you are aware of all the “Big Things” please let me know ur action plan. I hope you will not take this stuff as just Information but will certainly do something practical. Please let me know so that i can follow u & eventualy find a path to success.
Az’zaam!!!
i dont know who can call this guy a security expert, he is just a mediocre and controlled spin.
saw his show related to muslim conquerers and the way he called hindus gave me full ida what kind of person he is.
just another crap like shahid masood.
@Az’zaam Thanks for correction
@guyyasir
for your information AlhamduliALLAH i am a sunni muslim.it is very sensitive issue. a hours of debates is required to settle said issue. May be u like him due to your family relation with Dr. Sb. but i am not much impressed with Dr. Israr.
Assalam – o -Alaikum to All…
Interesting Thoughts and Events Quoted by these All Brothers!!!
What Being said is true..and i being not on anyone’s Side ..a Student of Truth Perhaps can Figure it out that Mr.Zaid Hamid Speaks of Truth..that is for sure..i Have read the Protocols and many Zionisnt Research Material way b4 they appeared on TV and was Noticeable.Including Henry Ford Books and Much more.
The Point is i Found the conclusions and Research of Mr.Zaid Sahab to be Upto the MArk..its true and Truth Shall Prevail. What he thinks or Intend to think is not With U or ME….its With ALLAH Alone..so lets not Just judge Hearts of People trying to do some good for this Falling and Failing State and nation.
its time to be together rather then Pointing at each other…if you have known him for some time as u said 20 Years….Where were u when all this hapenned here in Pakistan…why didnt u try to Educate our uneducated Masses.
Esp on Zionists and Evil Doers.
Just A note: during 90’s when i was reading and researching on Protocols and their Context,,i tried to share it with my friends and others of My findings and Nearly at 99% of the time all Were like …Whats this Crap Leave it aside….Jews and Zionists will never do such things and alabla……
BUT now they have changed thier views and minds ..bundles of thanks to Zaid and not so Thanks to the Situation of our Country.
Their Mission : TO DESTABALIZE PAKISTAN AND MUSLIM UMMAH AND HEAD TO MEKKAH AND MEDINAH.
OUR MISSION : STOP THIER MISSION / BY HANGING ON TO ALLAH’s ROPE(QURAN).and expect some Forces(SPIRITUAL) to Help the Opressed Muslims.
MAy Allah give us strength to Identify the Truth and Work for PEACE not WAR
@ Naif: This is exactly the kind of thinking & beliefs that have led us to where we are today as Muslims & Pakistani’s as a nation. Blame everything on Jewish/Zionist & in our case Hindu conspiracies.
When will we wake up & realize that the fault lies with us not them. Nobody can make us do anything that we ourselves do not want to do.
Until we realize that we have to reform ourselves & our societies instead of heaping all blame on some unbelievable conspiracy theories our condition as a nation will never improve.
The conspiracy theories about Zionists/Jews are not new & actually not the creation of Muslims either. All of these were started by the Christians – Muslims were a little late to catch up with these theories, probably only in the last century. Otherwise Jews had been living peacefully under Muslim Caliphates while they were being prosecuted in Europe.
Zaid Hamid will have us believe that the Jews are so powerful that they are pulling the strings of everything that is going on in this world but still they could not stop Hitler from wiping out half of their population during WW-2. And he also wants us to believe they are running the American State but instead of benefiting from the security that America enjoys they have chosen for themselves a land in the middle of the most hostile region in the world that they can find – surrounded on all sides with hostile Arab countries who are after their very survival. Right! Seem like really powerful people.
I am sure half the people here don’t even know what the Zionist movement is? When did it start? Which country? Who were the founders? What were their backgrounds & their aims? How did it end up in the creation of the State of Israel? But still they will go on pedaling these conspiracy theories.
All i can say is may Gaad give us the Strent to first realize & then overcome our shortcomings as a nation.
[...] by Mr. Fasi Zaka in his article in News, which was posted here. Later a Pakistan blog ‘Teeth Maestro” published details about Mr. Zaid’s past and his close association with Yousaf Kazab, a self [...]
My E mail to Mr. Zaid Hamid:
Dear Mr. Zaid Hamid,
There are several stories running in electronic media about your controversial TV program and your association with Yousaf Kazab. I had never been able to like your your program which targeted the Banking system in Pakistan. I also have strong reservations about the gold as an alternate of paper money. These differences were purely based on economic view point until the stories about your past and your alleged relations with foreign agencies surfaced in electronic media.
I have gone through your e mail response posted on mine and various other blogs, which is not satisfactory enough. For sake of clarity I would appreciate if you can give your version on following allegations against you, I would be happy to incorporate your version for following questions:
1. Were you associated with Yousaf Kazab and is it true that he named you as equal to Hazrat Ali (his caliph)? How long you did stayed with him and did you defended him before a court of law or helped in his case?
2. It is true that you were present beside Yousaf Kazab, while he was delivering peach in Lahore and is there a video of that incident?
3. Have you ever proposed issuance of “Brasstacks gold coins’ (on one side Brasstack logo and other side 1 dinar) and directed your staff/followers to convince people to convert their money in to gold?
4. What would happen to Banking System in Pakistan if people pull out their money from banks and convert their money in to gold?
5.What will be effect on economy of any such move as entire agricultural and industrial sector is dependent on borrowing from banks?
6. What is your view about a person who gathers a dozen virgin girls and declares them all as his wives at a same time?
7. What is source of funds for your campaign?
8. Were you a supporter of Pervez Musharraff and do you think that he was working against interests of Pakistan?
Your response would be incorporated at verbatim on and would help to clarify the issue.
Best Regards;
Moderator,
Islamabad Observer.
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Response by Mr. Zaid Hamid:
My Dear Modrator,
aa. Jazak Allah for your mail. Short answer is please visit us and lets talk. Each and everything have written or you have been told is shameless slandering.
Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping my self under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this deen and in love of Rasul Allah. My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remains for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
Those with noor can see the rehma, baraka and khair from Allah and love of Rasul Allah in the life and mission of this humble faqeer. Hasbu nallah Naimul Wakeel, Naimul Maula wa naimun Naseer.
Curse of Allah, angels and momineen be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhemmed Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem are those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhemmed Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.
They have accused me of gravest of sins, called me a Kafir and Murtid, follower of false prophets, running cults, doing khiyanat in wealth of orphans and widows, working for secret services against the State, and sponsoring my own program on News1 through secret funding of dubious agencies. Also, being a fraud by pretending to be a doctor or Professor !
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6156&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Do I need to respond to these shameless slandering initiated by this site ??
There are four names we see: None of them know me despite their claims.
Abid Ullah Jan — He has never met me in life.
Tahir (reporter) He too has never met me in life.
N. Shahrukh, (who does not expose his name or address) whom I sure I have never met in life or at least never in last 17 years since I left Karachi.
Faiyyaz Alam, whom I am also sure have never met in life or at least never in the last 17 years.
How on earth can they claim to know me ????? What are their motives, intentions and backers to try to stop our mission for Pakistan’s national security ???
What evidence they have provided? What they present as evidence is only fabricated allegation of Kufr and Khiyanat not proof !!! Each and every allegation must be backed by proof. Quran, Sunnat, Sharia, law and truth demands it. They respond allegation with more allegation. Have they asked me and seeked clarification before making their Bohtan ?? Are they willing to come and confront me face to face with proof on all bohtans ???
I wanted to avoid a global e-mailing match as this is what they want to draw us into to distract us from our real mission for Pakistan and Ummah. Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required. I will not defend myself any further. Even if you clarify our position, please maintain dignity and honor at all times and don’t make a public shouting match.
We don’t need to scoop to lower levels to defend ourselves and this Deen.
We will inshallah, not be distracted and continue our mission of protecting Pakistan against all threats, internal and external.
Wassalam and duago
Zaid Hamid
@silence
Dear, now this is wat he is doing. A same email response to every query regarding the issue. What is personally think & wat ZZH is demanding is these 4 ppl (as mentioned by him in the email) should go & meet him & after concluding the matter should do a combined press conference & move forward. Another option is to call these 4 guys on the TV show along with ZZH & wrap the matter.
What you guys say?
Az’zaam!!!
Azzam;
I agree with you, may be the matter is ’settled’ behind closed doors, every one is satisfied and ‘mo problem’.
Another Imam emerges clean and another sect….
But I doubt, this ins not 1970…people are much more aware and want specific answers. Any settlement behind closed doors wont work.
What I think is ‘force’ for which he is working will dump him as he is exposed. But who knows…this is our Pakistan.
There are a lot of serious economists, intellectuals and political activists in the west that have similar opinions as this guy concerning the global economy and the international banking system, so regardless of his particular past or his positions as a Muslim activist, what he is promoting is not all that new. I totally agree with some of the opinions expressed here concerning the value of gold and paper money and I do not agree with some other positions regarding maintaining the present disfunctional “Banking System” of fractional reserve that has created a lot of money purely out of debt. I freely admit that I am not smart enough to suggest any thing but just expressing what I understand not to be right!
@KarimG
“There are a lot of serious economists, intellectuals and political activists in the west that have similar opinions as this guy concerning the global economy and the international banking system”
No one is doubting that. Like I said before it is the spin and twisting of facts and the intermingled outright lies that I have a problem with. And like I said before, I am sure we all agree with what most of what a Christian priest tells us — it’s the little differences that make all the difference in the world. One has to know where the guy is coming from to see where he is going. Let me give you another example: If the exact same things were being taught by a Tablighi Jama’at fella, I guarantee you the solution he will offer is “Join the Tablighi Jama’at and all will be well!” I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
To clarify, let’s say I go to a doctor. What I don’t know is that he get’s paid by the pharma company for every prescription he writes for a particular drug (Believe me this does happen all over the world). He writes the same one in my prescription. Is he doing it because it really will help me or is he doing it only for his financial benefit (though it could be harming me). Am I wrong to question the doctor?
@Silence
Just a quick point. What is interesting is that in each of his email responses he says:
“Abid Ullah Jan — He has never met me in life.”
Abid Ullah Jan does NOT claim to have met him from what I gather and mentioned only the email exchange, right? Zaid does not say:
“Abid Ullah Jan — I never had an email exchange with him in my life.”
the controversy has few lessons for us. most of the people blindly follow or blind reject without analysing the truth or the facts presented infron of them and the recent ZZ example is similar where people started to believe a person who was speaking 90% truth (specially if you see the copy paste stuff of Economic Terrorism Series though an impressive one) with mixture of original falsehood they wanted to spread specially to protect Musharraf and defend his evil policies (like Lal Masjid, actions against judiciary and war against humanity/Islam/Pakistan).
All we need is the analytical approach as a nation.
(Dr Awwab: find some time and send an email)
I have this person’s videos, he seemed to be a patriotic but we should think before trusting anybody’s talk
it doesn’t look like what it is infect.
Wait and see! We shouldn’t loose patience. What ever he is, will soon emerge and his face will be uncovered. But, I personally believe that we Pakistani people are fond of spilling dirt on others faces because people like Zaid Hamid are spreading the bitter truth, we are actually afraid of Islam because his ideology will snatch our freedom (I think I delivered to those who understand). We should listen and learn from even a wall, let alone a Mujahid. He is such an eye opener, am I right? Are we jealous? Are we hypocrites? You must have heard the joke which tells about the big pit in hell, without any DAROGHA!!!??? I think whatever he is saying is true, please refer to these books for guidance; TEESRI JANG-E-AZEEM AUR DAJJAL by MAULANA ASIM UMER publisher AL-GHAZI WELFARE TRUST, plus this movie will also help http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Oh all you so called ‘economists’ supporting about paper currency.
All you brains are forgetting one thing, by having gold as a medium of exchange, you put an end to INFLATION! THAT IS THE FREAKING BASIC ECONOMIC PROBLEM! ENDING EVER INCREASING INFLATION! By using gold, you put an end to creation of money by thin air from a printing press! How can you do that once gold is used as a medium of exchange in an economy? GOLD MAKES ECONOMY STABLE SINCE IT CANNOT BE PRINTED LIKE FAKE PAPER MONEY! No more fake paper money, no more interests, no more fractional reserve banking, no more inflation, stable and sound economcy! All corrupt captalists hate this.
STOP PREACHING PROPAGANDA! NONE OF YOU ARE ECONOMISTS! YOU ARE UNEDUCATED AND PROPAGATING FALSE IDEAS AND BASHING SOMEONE ON PERSONAL BASIS – NOT BECAUSE OF ANY ARGUMENT! Oh and please have courage to post this comment.
@Someone
You say:
“INFLATION! THAT IS THE FREAKING BASIC ECONOMIC PROBLEM!”
followed by:
“NONE OF YOU ARE ECONOMISTS!”
I think it’s fair to ask if you yourself are an economist? Also keep in mind being an economist doesn’t mean one will agree with “gold makes economy stable.” There are more than one schools of thought on that one and an overwhelming majority of economists support the “paper money economy”. They might be wrong but that is what they believe to be true.
“STOP PREACHING PROPAGANDA! NONE OF YOU ARE ECONOMISTS! YOU ARE UNEDUCATED AND PROPAGATING FALSE IDEAS AND BASHING SOMEONE ON PERSONAL BASIS – NOT BECAUSE OF ANY ARGUMENT!”
Using ALL BOLD TYPE is supposed to give weight to your jibberish?
I think you have not read the comments posted above or at least completely failed to comprehend them, oh educated one :) I will even make the BOLD claim that you have not only understood the article posted above, you haven’t even bothered reading it completely.
I don’t think any of us know ZZH personally so your “bashing” argument is worthless. And it is also interesting you accuse those who are asking ZZH to stop propagating propaganda as those propagating propaganda without even bothering to understand what they are saying. Take for example the video link to Zeitgeist @Hammad Khan posted and my mention of the documentary “America: From Freedom to Fascism”. Had you bothered to watch them, you’d realize they BOTH FULLY SUPPORT the gold standard argument and expose the fake money / Zionist money cartel. They only do it in a much more convincing way than mere rhetoric and without adding any spin. Ah but you are too lazy for that, right? You’d rather just holler and scream and accept any false prophet ’cause MOST of what he says is right. :)
@Someone
Just wanted to add one thing:
Are you aware that some people consider “Back to the gold standard” argument as a zionist conspiracy as well? The argument goes something like “Who owns most of the gold and gold mines?” The fact certainly is it’s the zionists. So what happens when we move to the gold standard? The gold certainly goes up in value. So who profits?
Things are not that simple now, are they Mr. Economist? :) :) :)
for Altaf
My dear Brother….thanks for the post first of all.
1.it is our fault at first Since we deviated from our True Religious Values.BUT ..YEs it is true the Majority of the Blame do rest with these Jews/Zionists/Freemasons/neo-Cons..watever u call them with Just ONE OBJECTIVE : Enslave all human kind and take over the resources of the world(ESP ESP FROM MUSLIMS).
2.Secondly the Question Are Jews Powerful Enough : YES They are What COntrols us By Media(controlled by B Nai Brothers over all the world).the inject what they need to and stop what needed not to be told / Agencies,Secret Brotherhoods Etc.
Refute it all : But can u refute ALLAh Word : when it is clearly pointed out in our Holy Book(THE ONLY LEFT AUTHENTIC SOURCE OF TRUTH) when it is said that “They(JEws) can never be your friends”
My dear Brother the point is just realize the THREAT and where it is Coming From//Will makes thing alot easy rather then pointing out to each other…Debate is GOod If soemthing is CONCLUDED but not DISCORD AND MISINFORMATION
P.S : Negative forces have started thier Work Against ZAid HAmid…which was due to come since he is following the Right PAth….i hope and PRay for a BEacon of Light Since our NAtion Requires it to a Great Extent…in order to be UNited as Muslims not as Dogs of Different Breed and Classes.
let us be All ONE …AS MUHAMMAD(PBUH) in his last Sermon pointed out : ‘ONE IS ONLY BETTER THEN OTHER ON HIS ACTS NOT FROM WHERE HE BELONGS”
LET USPUT OUR ACTS RIGHT…..DIVERT ALL ENERGIES TOWARDS READING QURAN IN ITS OWN LANGUAGE AND BE ONE>>.B$ ALLAH Takes away the LIGHT…as WORDS of QURABN WILL BE TAKEN UP B$ THE DOOMS DAY….READ IT AS TIME IS SHORT!!!!!
Wassalam
Scores of Pakistani and non-Pakistani writers/TV guests/speakers are allowed to speak against Pakistan on most of our television networks. Some of them ridicule Pakistan’s Independence, others work their minds out just to prove that Pakistanis have no future and do their best to demoralize our people. The Israelis – living in a state that is truly doomed in a sea of hostility – are the most optimistic and forward-looking people you will find anywhere. Ours is a great nation, a continuing story of achievement that goes back a millennium and beyond, and a people who survived history’s toughest challenges, and who are capable of emerging as a dynamic nation in the 21st century. And yet some of the ‘defeatists’ in our midst are celebrated and given space in our newspapers, TV screens, and radio channels. But God forbid if one of us comes forward with a strong nationalist message of hope and pride in our nation. I am referring here to Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani nationalist and a good Muslim. He hosts the show BRASSTACKS on TVNewsOne about internal and external threats to Pakistan. All that the man did was raise the voice of Pakistan and spread the message of optimism, strength and pride in who we are. Along with this he has a strong sense of religion and faith. He is a believer. But instead of appreciating the work he is doing for Pakistan, a minority of ill-intentioned people among the Pakistani elite has unleashed a campaign of disinformation against Zaid Hamid. I suspect they are doing this because they hate his strong religious views. These misguided Pakistanis forget that Zaid Hamid’s religious views are open to debate. You may or may not accept them. But can you disagree with his vast body of work in defense of Pakistan and to enlighten the Pakistanis about their strengths, weaknesses, and the strategic situation we find ourselves in?
Please check this page of Zaid Hamid’s website:
http://brasstacks.coolpage.biz/rel-med.htm
Scroll down to where he give access to the movie: Zeitgeist
The real movie has three parts and debunks three ‘myths’.
1) the myth of Jesus Christ/Hazrat Issa
2) myth of 9/11
3) the myth of the financial structure being on good foundations
Zaid Hamid lies to everyone by labelling the second myth as ‘part 1′, the third myth as ‘part 2′ and conveniently erasing the first 40 minutes of the movie. The first 40 minutes are deliberately erased so that Zaid Hamid can focus on his own arguments. If he did not censor a third of the movie, it would end up completely undercutting his whole basis for existence – i.e. the need for spreading pan-islamism.
Much of Zaid Hamid says is taken right out of the research conducted in this movie and to be fair authors in the West who had similar conclusions preceding this movie. However, Zaid Hamid only wants to cherry-pick portions of these researchers and twist it for his own ‘pan-islamist’ agenda.
Whether Zaid Hamid had associations with some Yusuf Ali or not is no where near as reflective of this man’s deceitful lies as the obvious way in which he cherry picks arguments to populate the basis for his own half-baked theories of pan-islamism.
Awab there are more ways to get hits on your blog then to defame a respected person like Hamid Sahib whom I know from last 3 years (personally and on proffesional levels). Bhai Sahib, it’s better after Hamid Bhai’s email response to delete the contents.
AA,
I have met Mr. Zahid Hamid during 1995-6 at an acadamic institution where he was teaching. I recall during a session in our class he gave us a presentation on flawed monetary cycle.
I couldnt find any issue with his recent lectures/programs- these are in line with his earlier thoughts. I found him very honest, dedicated to the cause person.
As far as recdent controverseries are concerned I am quite sure the people writing against him are acting on a certain plan and as highlited by Mr. Hamid these working on certain agneda i.e. to create uncetainity about Pakistan, its leadership, army and other institutions. We should identify these persons working on external agneda.
Please keep in mind that inspite of all the wrong doings by Musharaf Pakistan army is an institution loyal to Pakistan and working hard for this country.
regards,
Abdul Haseeb
@ Naif: You are repeating what you said before but the fact remains – These are just theories & you have absolutely no logic to back them up. Of course every nation/country is out to control the limited resources of the world & dominate others economically & politically. The US just happens to be the most powerful country today so it gets to dominate most of the resources. Nobody is arguing with that. The Iraq war is all about oil.
During the past 5 centuries there were several European countries that colonized & dominated much of the world. So whatever government gets a chance does it. The Pakistani government has also been doing this exploiting the natural resources in Baluchistan while denying development to the region in conjunction with the local sardars.
And you are taking the Quranic Ayat out of its context. If you take it to mean what you are saying than how do you explain the fact that Muslim men are allowed to marry Jews & Christians without converting them to Islam. How can it be possible than they cannot be your friends but you can marry them?
@ Jia: Please read my posts above. I don’t agree with personal attacks against a person but I have every right to disagree with what he has to say. Being sincere & patriotic does not mean that what Zaid Hamid is saying is correct & true. They are just his opinions.
@ Someone: Mr. Economist can you explain how using Gold instead of paper currency will solve the issue of inflation. Yes Paper Currency is created out of thin air but Gold is also dug out from earth. It has absolutely no relation to the productive resources in the economy which along with the demand for the produce determine the rate of inflation. If demand is more than supply prices will rise. Suppose there are a million gold coins in circulation in an economy. The government discovers a new gold mine & issues another million gold coins. You don’t think this would cause inflation? It DAMN RIGHT WILL because the productive resources in the economy would still be the same & people would have more money in their hands? So the government would still need to manage the amount of gold coins circulating in the economy just like it does with paper currency. I think you have absolutely no knowledge of how economies operate & what constitutes wealth for an economy.
@Naif
“Negative forces have started thier Work Against ZAid HAmid”
I didn’t know I was working for a “negtive force”. Maybe I am Darth Vader or something…. :)
@Barrister Ali Chishti
“Bhai Sahib, it’s better after Hamid Bhai’s email response to delete the contents”
Wow, Barister sahib! Is that what you ask for in court as well?
I think you guys are doing a terrible job supporting Mr. Zaid Hamid. You have no facts to offer just silly statements about “forces of evil at work”, meaningless CAPITALIZATION, calling it propaganda, but offering nothing of substance. Come on, get your lazy asses moving and do some research and try to really defend him properly!
(At least he deserves that much effort on part of the believers!!!)
@Naif
@Barrister Ali Chishti
@Faiza
@Other “Defenders”
Had you bothered to see, the links to videos Hammad Khan and I (”Zeitgeist”, “America: From Freedom to Fascism”, “Money as Debt”) posted support your “gold standard” bit had you bothered to look — instead of throwing tantrums. And they do offer a LOT more information to support Zaid’s argument.
Duh! :)
Signed,
“The Negative Force”
@Jia
“But instead of appreciating the work he is doing for Pakistan, a minority of ill-intentioned people among the Pakistani elite has unleashed a campaign of disinformation against Zaid Hamid. I suspect they are doing this because they hate his strong religious views.”
First I was working for negative forces, now I am an “elite”! Tell me one bit of “disinformation” I have posted.
If his religious views are supporting Yousaf Ali or supporting Army over God or supporting all the killing going on in FATA, Baluchistan, etc. then sure as hell I am against his “religious” views. And I am surprised he lies/twists-the-facts so much to project those religious views. Why can’t they stand on their own? Why can’t “a strong nationalist message of hope and pride in our nation” be based on truth and facts alone? Are we that far gone to have to believe in lies for our national pride? That is the only problem i have with him.
nota=teethmastro=Awwab=
Anti Pakistani, Pro America, Pro TTP, Anti Pak Army, Anti ISI
May Allah (SWT) destroy you from your roots… you will not succeed in your hate agenda against Pakistan.. Ameen. Sum Ameen
Here is a seemingly very clear and much awaited response from Mr. Zaid Hamid. In fact it doesn’t solve the riddle at all. He avoides some very basic questions raised by the people coming out and pointing finger to his association with a false prohpet. Regurgitating Sharia and other Arabic terms is not an answer to some basic questions which require only a straight forward, yes and no answer. For example,
1. Kya Yusuf Ali ne Noor-e-Muhammad (SAW) ka “libas” hone ka dawa kiya thha aur apne mannay walon ko sahabi-e-rasool kaha thha, jis mein aap bhi shamil thhay?
Did Yousaf Ali proclaimed himself to be the “libas” of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and called his followers, including yourself, “Sahabi-e-rasool?
2. Kya Yusuf Ali ne aap ko apna khalifa namzad kiya thha?
Did Yousaf Ali appointed you as his Khalifa?
3. Kya aap ne Yusuf Ali ki saza ke khilaf siyasatdanon aur ulema se rabtay naheen kiye aur us ka case adalat mein naheen lara?
Did you not contacted politicians and Ulema to contest Yousaf Ali’s sentence in the court and didn’t you fight his case in the court?
4. Aap Yusuf Ali ki taleemat se kab taeb huay?
When did you turned back from the teachings of Yousaf Ali?
5. Kya aap iqrar karte hain ke Yusuf Ali kazzab fasiq thha aur usay Lahore High Court ne saza-e-maut ka jo faisla sunaya thha wuh durust thha?
Do you testify that Yousaf Ali Kazzab was a Fasiq and the Lahore High Court decision in his case was right?
According to our information, the only answer ZZ Hamid has given so far to these five questions is to ask the person to visit him in pindi and he will explain things to him.
The allegations against ZZ Hamid are really serious. The point that this author raised stands insignificant before the real allegations by his critics in Pakistan. ZZ Hamid must consider taking his case to the court rather trying to douze the flames through e-mail exchanges. Facts are hard to hide with rhetoric and fiction.
According to our information, one of ZZ Hamid’s old friend, who had been a nazim of IJT in Karachi contacted him recently on the phone to seek his clarification whether ZZ Hamid is still asscociated with the ideology of Yusuf Kazzab or not. And as expected Zaid said that Yusuf Kazzab was “misunderstood” and he never claimed to be a prophet!
@BrokenTeeth
“nota=teethmastro=Awwab=
Anti Pakistani, Pro America, Pro TTP, Anti Pak Army, Anti ISI
May Allah (SWT) destroy you from your roots… you will not succeed in your hate agenda against Pakistan.. Ameen. Sum Ameen”
BrokenTeeth==BrokenMind :)
But seriously, I think you prove one has to be really dumb to support Ziad (that certainly seems to be his targeted audience)
@brokenteeth so many labels – are these all for me to choose from, to see which ones I like best :) well its not nice to curse around, I have not cursed anyone of you ever, and neither have I cursed Zaid Zaman that said being a privileged administrator of this blog – I see a very interesting trend developing, I could be wrong, but you do leave a very interesting digital trail which somehow points to you [admittedly I could be wrong] but the trail somehow does point in your general direction
You appeared on this blog on 14th Sept as NANO on the blog post Sick and Tired of Musharraf Supporters by sharing with us Musharraf’s list of facts here and here
Then you reappeared as PakAlert on 16th Sept pushing your support for Musharraf here. To be honest there is no harm in hearing opposition after all the blog is meant to be a dialog – you are more then welcome to argue dispute and support your position as long as you want
You come back again to defend Zaid Hamid as Danish on this Zaid Hamid post sharing with us Zaid Hamid’s response to your email – that I must admit was a good argument going in favor of Zaid Hamid, you relogged-in as Jia voicing your support again, mind you there is no harm in hearing the other side of the argument and you are welcome to continue to do so and defend Zaid Hamid and Musharraf as long as you want - but when you resort to cursing I think it calls for a fact check. I hope this serves as a warning and cursing and foul language is not repeated again.
That’s hilarious, Doc! Thanks for the effort. So now we know who should really be using “==” :)
But it also leads to the very likely possibility it is Mr. Zaid himself. (See @mbokhari and my recent experience with Sameera Aziz aka moon starting here. It earned me a mention in the Saudi Gazette
(Please not that the Sister Sameera’s profanity-filled posts were deleted)
Oops! Appears Saudi Gazette has gotten some sense and removed the article or I just cant find the link. But it can still be found Gulf in the Media
@@@@@@@ ALL
Y are we Hitting at each other here…arent we all Pakis?….arent we all Muslims? dont we share the same Book ? the Same Prophet ? and the same Teachings?…Y is there so much discord among us as well..
Zaid is right or wrong …can only be seen by the events as they Unfold///let each be the judge according to their own Observations and Beliefs.
let all research go to HEll….and all Comments by everyone….Let Quran Be the source and the ONLY SOURCE!!!..
and if u really want to know what hepenning and what will in due course of time : DO READ THE PROTOCOLS : i am only pasting a Brief Below :
Protocol 4
But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE “GOYIM” THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.
WHy doesn’t Zaid Zaman Hamid comes forward and answer the 5 basic questions posed before him. I have no doubt that he is the same guy nominated by Yusuf Kazzab as his “khalifa” and now he can neither accept nor deny this fact. That is why he is just beating about the bush and hiding behind sharia terminologies and curses and the silly arguments of his moron followers rather than coming to the basic point.
@Fraz
“However, Zaid Hamid deceitfully only wants to cherry-pick portions of these researchers and twist it for his own half-baked theories of his own ‘pan-islamist’ agenda”
Thanks for the perfect description! That about says it all! And remember he presents it as his own research.
(BTW I combined two of your sentences in the quote above)
“…Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required…” Zaid Hamid
From: BrassTacks
Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Who is Zaid Hamid???
To: Emaad Qureshi
My Dear Emaad,
aa. Jazak Allah for your message.
Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping my self under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this deen and in love of Rasul Allah. My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remains for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
Those with noor can see the rehma, baraka and khair from Allah and love of Rasul Allah in the life and mission of this humble faqeer. Hasbu nallah Naimul Wakeel, Naimul Maula wa naimun Naseer.
Curse of Allah, angels and momineen be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhemmed Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem are those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhemmed Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.
They have accused me of gravest of sins, called me a Kafir and Murtid, follower of false prophets, running cults, doing khiyanat in wealth of orphans and widows, working for secret services against the State, and sponsoring my own program on News1 through secret funding of dubious agencies. Also, being a fraud by pretending to be a doctor or Professor !
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6156&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Do I need to respond to these shameless slandering initiated by this site ??
There are four names we see: None of them know me despite their claims.
Abid Ullah Jan — He has never met me in life.
Tahir (reporter) He too has never met me in life.
N. Shahrukh, (who does not expose his name or address) whom I sure I have never met in life or at least never in last 17 years since I left Karachi.
Faiyyaz Alam, whom I am also sure have never met in life or at least never in the last 17 years.
How on earth can they claim to know me ????? What are their motives, intentions and backers to try to stop our mission for Pakistan’s national security ???
What evidence they have provided? What they present as evidence is only fabricated allegation of Kufr and Khiyanat not proof !!! Each and every allegation must be backed by proof. Quran, Sunnat, Sharia, law and truth demands it. They respond allegation with more allegation. Have they asked me and seeked clarification before making their Bohtan ?? Are they willing to come and confront me face to face with proof on all bohtans ???
I wanted to avoid a global e-mailing match as this is what they want to draw us into to distract us from our real mission for Pakistan and Ummah. Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required. I will not defend myself any further. Even if you clarify our position, please maintain dignity and honor at all times and don’t make a public shouting match.
We don’t need to scoop to lower levels to defend ourselves and this Deen.
We will inshallah, not be distracted and continue our mission of protecting Pakistan against all threats, internal and external.
Wassalam and duago
Zaid Hamid
@Syed Sajjad Ali
It’s the third or fourth time this long meaningless “defense” is being posted. Is that the standard form-letter he has come up with for the questions?
“…Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required…” Zaid Hamid
Well I will try and take him up on the offer next time I am in Islamabad…and ON-camera.
Do you all have sense?
Some one can say any thing about any one but that is not any evidence for any thing its only called slander.
Do you not know the basic rule of justice which Allah taught Dawud alehis salam ?
Not to listen to only one party and make a judgment!!!
Quran 24 26. Evil words are for evil men, and evil men are [subjected] to evil words. And good words are for good men, and good men are [an object] of good words. Those [good people] are declared innocent of what the slanderers say. For them is forgiveness and noble provision.
Quran 85 10. Lo! they who persecute believing men and believing women and repent not, theirs verily will be the doom of hell, and theirs the doom of burning.
@Syed Sajjad Ali
“Do you not know the basic rule of justice which Allah taught Dawud alehis salam ?
Not to listen to only one party and make a judgment!!!”
Isn’t that exactly what we are doing here? Duh!
But what you really want to say is the same does not apply when it comes to Zaid. We should accept whatever he says without question, right?
@Syed Sajjad Ali
“@ nota the slanderer: You are trying to accuse a Muslim of disbeleif over here”
That’s rich. Well, one more “title” for me :)
BTW, prove your allegation (”accuse a Muslim of disbelief”). Everything I’ve said is right here on this page (but no twisting my words).
By the way, in your reading of Quran is saying stuff like “nota the slanderer” is not a slander? :)
You guys are hilarious!!!
@nota:BTW, prove your allegation (”accuse a Muslim of disbelief”). Everything I’ve said is right here on this page (but no twisting my words).
You wrote the article and now trying to defend it. Please try to observe that you are now the only one who is defending or may be you are trying to make your blog more popular.. but mind it.. Zaid Hamid is not Musharraf that you will take him so easily… you and this blog just creating a very negative impact and trust me that this is not in favor of anyone…
Everyone.. please stop justifying Zaid Hamid here.. it is very obvious that if anyone’s background is so black like mentioned here on this blog then such a person would never appear on television.
By replying to these baseless criticisms, we’ll only be giving them an opportunity to twist our words and turn it into another one of ”we-know-what-this-is-really-about’ theories, as you must have noticed by the above article. If we maintain silence, because we believe useless criticism should be trashed, there is only so much they can do to use against us.
My humble request to everyone.. please leave this blog alone!
Cheers
If you want to tackle the liar called Zaid Hamid, it’s a waste of time trying to see what his ‘real’ beliefs or agenda are.
Just see his own website(s) and how he deceives people by intentionally selectively censoring information.
http://brasstacks.coolpage.biz/rel-med.htm
Again, watch how he twists the movie zeitgeist – (www.zeitgeistmovie.com) whose first 40 minutes he erases and starts his labelled ‘part 1′ from the middle.
It would have been a mute point had the basis of his arguments and research not been plucked out of this movie, word for word.
Zaid Hamid is a liar par excellence.
For those who are supporting him, it would be good to ask him this one simple question. I have many more responses for his historical lies but he is not worth giving any more credence. Zaid Hamid is a pathological liar.
Why doesnt Zaid Zaman Hamid comes forward and answer the 5 basic questions posed before him. I have no doubt that he is the same guy nominated by Yusuf Kazzab as his khalifa and now he can neither accept nor deny this fact. That is why he is just beating about the bush and hiding behind sharia terminologies and curses and the silly arguments of his moron followers rather than coming to the basic point.
The Lone Ranger:
Who gives a rat’s behind about what enemies of islam says about muslims??? truth hated of devil is always slandered by those lead by the devil.
“…Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required…” Zaid Hamid
why respond to scum who is hidding behind screen names?
Come forward with a camera go to his office and ask !!!
In his replies, Zaid Hamid has said that he does not believe in any prophet afar Muhammad(S.A.W.W).. and also said that he does not believe in any false prophet and cursed those who were claiming to be a prophet.. BUT… he didnot say that he had no connection with Yousuf Kazzab.. Because as far as I have concluded from my research is that ZZ Hamid believes in Yousuf Kazzab as Imam-e-Zamana (Nauzubillah).. but he does not want to say this in written form because once he’ll do it.. people will spread his words and he won’t be able to argue and convience others through his speaking communication skills.. this is the main reason he asks people to visit him so that he can discuss the matter with them..
I think the controversy is concluded, I visited ‘Dictatorship Watch” to day and they have posted an image of book and a few years old news item from a paper.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2019/zaidhamidyousufkazabkhaeu2.jpg
In fact I can recall reading this news in paper…with reference to “Brinks’….it is few years back.
As to myself I am now fully satisfied about the allegations against him being true, but you can make your minds as you are satisfied.
@Silence
You post two pages of Book, 426 & 427 containing three clips two with title one without title.
The one with title talking about Zaid Zaman is without reference–other two have the reference of “Daily Khabren”.
Please post the page 428 also we want to see the reference of this spicy cheap stuff about calling him Khalifa Abu Bakr(ra).
If I sniff you right–you will not post page 428 for lack of proper reference–It only add more power to my nose.
@Khan
“You wrote the article and now trying to defend it.”
Great! Now I am an author as well! :)
“Please try to observe that you are now the only one who is defending”
Is that a crime? (By the way I am not the only one. See how easily you lie about things right in front of your face)
“or may be you are trying to make your blog more popular..”
Sure I have a “blog” but if you would notice I hardly update it. And if I wanted to make it “popular” I would have posted this issue there and put a link to it here, for starters. So much for that theory :)
“Zaid Hamid is not Musharraf that you will take him so easily… you and this blog just creating a very negative impact and trust me that this is not in favor of anyone…”
I don’t even know what that statement means!
“By replying to these baseless criticisms…”
But you are NOT REPLYING. Just trying some cr@p while frothing at your mouths. Some one asks a question, you are supposed answer it but you choose to do just name-calling. What nice “religious” responses, eh? :)
“My humble request to everyone.. please leave this blog alone!”
My humble request to everyone.. please leave this blog alone unless you have something to offer the discussion besides gibberish/psycho-babble and (as @Fraz would say) “half-baked theories of pan-islamism”
:)
@Syed Sajjad Ali
“The Lone Ranger:
Who gives a rat’s behind about what enemies of islam says about muslims??? truth hated of devil is always slandered by those lead by the devil.”
Oh so now the Devil is in the mix as will. Regarding “who gives a rat’s arse…”, your posts prove YOU do :)
“Come forward with a camera go to his office and ask !!!”
Like I said, I will. But then reading and understanding what you read is not your strong point, is it? :)
“i will leave this slander room alone…inshallah”
Why do I have the feeling that your putting it like that, I am certain you will be back, you T2, you :)
@Khan
@Syed Sajjad Ali
BTW, hope you see from my two posts above how one is supposed to “answer” to “questions”. To make it simpler, here’s an example:
Q: Is the sky blue?
A: Yes (or “No” in your case)
NOT
A: You Satan worshiper, you heathen, instument of dark forces, …, slanderer, Anti Pakistani, Pro America, Pro TTP, Anti Pak Army, Anti ISI, May Allah (SWT) destroy you from your roots… you will not succeed in your hate agenda against the SKY…Ameen. Sum Ameen”
Notice any difference? No? Oh well!
Though it might surprise some, I just notices Economic Terrorism – by Zaid Hamid was FEATURED right here on this blog. In fact it is No. 6 on the “Most Read Posts” and with the following intro by Teeth Maestro:
“I share with you a five-part series of the talk show Brass Tacks televised on TV One, the interview is of Mr. Zaid Hamid who shares his opinions on the global banking problems in light of historical understanding. He has some strong arguments, definitely worth a listen. ”
Do you ZZH supporters believe this was a “conspiracy”/”set-up” on Teeth Maestro’s part so he can publish this piece?
Now be honest!
ohh bhai sahab
why you people make controversies and why do you make every thing suspicious.
Just a few minutes ago, I read a few comments of another post on your blog which said that if any one has any problem with Teet’s opinion, he can just leave and raise his own voice with his own blog. Guys thats exactly Ahmed Qurishi and Zaid Hamid is doing… They are running their own blogs and TV shows… So do you have any problem with them??
They are pro-musharraf and a few of you are calling him CIA agent… I damn care whoever he is , but if he is financed by pro-Mush elements then what is the guarantee that you are not paid by anti- Mush elements ???
And one more question , All you wrote in this article seriously looks highly exaggerated, fantasied and theoretical…
I wonder how could you even get his emails?.. You must be look for a job in a Spy agency, awesome work ….
PLEASE I WOULD REQUEST ALL OF YOU TO GIVE ME THE REFERENCE OF WHAT WRONG HE HAS SAID IN BRASSTRACKS… I AM SERIOUSLY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT…
BUT AGAIN DON’T NARRATE IMAGINARY STORIES BUT I WANT SOME REAL PROOF,….
MAY GOD HELP PAKISTAN
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
I know Zaid Hamid since more than 20 years. We were students together in Engineering University (N.E.D). I have been keenly following his programs “Brass Tacks” on TV as well as through web. I was pretty sure that the path he has chosen, by bieng bold and straight forward, an anti-propoganada and efforts to de-fame him would soon commence. I am not surprised by this misleading article because this is one of the lame efforts to let him down. This will never happen INSHA ALLAH and Zaid will be more and more popular and we Muslims will get further enlightened by virtue of his ideas and efforts.
@ALI HAMMAD
“PLEASE I WOULD REQUEST ALL OF YOU TO GIVE ME THE REFERENCE OF WHAT WRONG HE HAS SAID IN BRASSTRACKS… I AM SERIOUSLY CURIOUS ABOUT THAT”
Again we have someone not reading what has been said. See @Fraz’s latest comment just above yours where he is talking again about “Zeitgeist”. Of course he posted about it before but why bother reading, right?
@Nota, @Fraz
Have you see the first 40 mins of Zeitgist? the first part is against Christ and tried to prove that there is no God. Tell me how should Zaid Hamid post that rubbish info on his site?
I request everyone to see Zeitgist first then write their thoughts.. dont just try to make suspicions out of everything.
@Nota, @Fraz
Have you seen the first 40 mins of Zeitgist? the first part is against Christ and tried to prove that there is no God. Tell me how should Zaid Hamid post that rubbish info on his site?
I request everyone to see Zeitgist first then write their thoughts.. dont just try to make suspicions out of everything.
@someone
“Have you seen the first 40 mins of Zeitgist? the first part is against Christ and tried to prove that there is no God. Tell me how should Zaid Hamid post that rubbish info on his site.”
Yes I have. Well no one is asking him to post it on it site (but pretending that part doesn’t exist is disingenuous on ZZH’s part). But what I find interesting is that he has no problem accepting the the other parts of the same peoples research without any questions. He not only accepts it but presents it as his own and, like Fraz said, “watch how he twists the movie” adding him mumbo-jumbo. That is the only problem I have for that is dishonesty on his part.
@Khan
I dont have seen the book or even any page of it……this page is on http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com
When I saw this news item,I recall the news which I read in that days paper, when it was published.
Further the news says that video of his speach is in police record.
Why I am convinced? Simply because the author of this controversy did not make up a story….there is a news item, which i read years back.
As I said, its my personal opinion, you can make up your mind as you like.
@ Sohail and Ali hammad :
Dear Brothers i agree with your comments …as i said Ealrier …” the negative forces have started thier work against this Honest Man” ….i will worsen each day…
But then Again the : the Truth shall Prevail”
i have Listened to this man from the first to the last of his programmes i have all his collection …of videos ever recorded…and i didnot find a single statement that will reflect that he doesnot believe in the last Prophet Muhammad (SAW)…nor did any of his statement points to Creating discord among Muslims ..all he is doing is Giving hope to the nation in these harsh times.so Y all the fuss…!!!
if u guys have some brains and time: y not have a blog for hamid MIRs(REmember MIR) ….and Dr Shahid’s and AMil sahabss….doing thier best to create discord and tension.
Wassalam and Dua
This guy belongs to the SUFI CULT–which has deep roots in ISI and Paki Military
Thats why he didn’t admit any short-comings of Pakistan Army and ISI.
He balatantly denied any wrong doings by Pakistan Army in East-Pakistan (now Bangladesh).
I think ISI wants to promote him so that Islamic minded crowd would stop supporting Taliban and AQ against Pakistan Army and ISI.
the post above by ‘Sohel’ reminds me of another “khalifah” of yussuf kazzab who was also an nedian and an old associate of zaid zaman. i have a strong feeling that this is the same ‘Sohel’. This guy was married to the daughter of a renowned industrialist in karachi who was forced to sleep with yusuf kazzab – a practise ordered by that mal’oon kazzab for all his closest followers. this was also reported by takbeer, ummat and other newspapers during the court proceedings. his father-in-law was amongst the petitioners against the kazzab as he wanted to get the custody of his daughter and sought divorce from Sohel. If someone could get hold of the book “Fitnah Yusuf Kazzab” it carried all the details about it.
I came across these interesting comments about Mr. Zaid, posted by one of his followers……i am totally speechless!
http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=4448
Posted by Dr. Sajeel Abdul Wahid (6 months ago)
” assalaam-u-aliakum.I love brass tacks team especially zaid zaman hamid sahib. i think he is the chosen one to lead our country in the global ummat army of Hazrat Isa {A.S} Imam Mehdi against the evil army of dajjal. in that case I volunteer to sign up as the 1st man in our islamic army
May Allah help us in finding the pure light towards His (Allah’s) path. I have done some research (internet) specially in the area of economy after watching Zaid Hamid’s economic terrorism. Most of the things he said is verifiable like US federal reserve, Paper money, Rothschild family and their influence, Bank of England, BCCI conspiracy, systematic eradication of gold as the primary trust behind the paper currency, working of IMF and World bank along with their influence on international Politics, Food Genocide Plan by Henry Kassinger, Free masonic influence on world politics and Balfour Declaration.
If he has collected these issues from internet and has complied them to present it to the people of Pakistan then whats wrong with that. Yes, I agree, if he is currently pursuing his previous motives than he is a fitna but if he is sincere, which seems so, then we should listen to that guy as a well-wisher critic.
I agree with people on this forum wanting a clear explanation about his past and his current motives and activities.
May Allah help us in finding those righteous people who unite us under one leadership and change the life of every creature on the face of this earth.
Bilal Abdul Mujeeb,
You really want to find the rightous people or you just making a dua for the sake of dua and not really meaning it?
I doubt your intentions and my intentions. When we need a job, we strive for it, we complete 4 years of degree, polish our resuem and even travel 7 seas to find the job we want and when it comes to finding the truth, we want CNN or GEO to present us the truth so that we don’t have to step out of our drawing room.
So my question is, do you really seek the rightous people or you are just making a dua for the sake of dua, like me.
The truth is we don’t want the truth, but we want to debate personalities that are presented to us as *leaders*.
We are given a varied-choice and we are told that we are free to choose what we like from the options presented to us, any thing other than the presented choices is taboo.
Looks like you have run out of productive things to do, so now you start throwing mud on a man who is respectable for his beliefs and his views, which in fact are Islamic views.
My father knew Zaid Hamid when he was in NED college Karachi, and the association b/w him and your mythical zaid zaman is another way for guys like you to get cheap publicity to your blog. It is also very hypocritical of you to accuse him of being a member of an unislamic cult when you yourself defend qadianis on this blog and try to impress upon people that they are innocent of any apostasy.
As for his friendship with Abidullah Jan, Mr. jan and Mr.Hamid are some of the few courageous people in our country who have the guts to say it like it is and tell Pakistanis the bitter truth about the problems of our nation and Ummah. Why are you so concerned about his finances and his tv channel. Nobody asks you how much money you make from this blog by talking nonsense.
Yes, people do have the right to question public figures, but dishonorable people like you maestro, definitely do not have the right to mudslinging. Zaid Hamid will continue his struggle to wake up our nation, and I hope you find a useful cause as well.
Today, Pakistan is burning. From terrorism to economic problems, our inability to make good decisions about our leaders has set our nation on fire. While there is much talk about the ‘common man’ and his needs, no one asks the ‘common man’ if they have a solution to our problems.
We as Pakistanis have shown in our history that we have always risen to the call of our nation, be it during wars, be it natural disasters, or in times of need: Pakistanis have always answered the call of Pakistan. Today, that same call has come forward from this nation. The silent majority, the foot soldiers need to bind together to save Pakistan, for if we do not do it now, there may not be a Pakistan tomorrow to save.
There was once a time when a people were in search of a nation. Now that nation is in search of its people. Will you answer the call?
Take Back Pakistan is a citizens-only initiative to give the Silent Majority a voice. Our voice is regularly misportrayed by the Media and by politicians; our voice is regularly unheard. We believe to change that, it takes an individual with a love for their country, and belief that they can make a difference.
To join, please sign up at http://www.takebackpakistan.com/sign-up/
Thank you.
@silence
@nota
Dr Sajeel aka abdul wahid was tha main host of yusuf kazzab in karachi during 90s.
All the old cult members had already begun to make a tempo conforming to their perverted beliefs. There is no debate in fact what Zaid Zaman says in Brasstacks. May be its 100% true. But its a question of our religious beliefs. What they have programmed in the backend, it should be exposed. The people who are defening ZZ hamid now are either members of his cult in Islamabad or simple, patriotic, ultimate optimists who just don’t want to believe that their hero will become a villian in the drop scene.
@Jawed Iqbal
“As for his friendship with Abidullah Jan, Mr. jan and Mr.Hamid are some of the few courageous people in our country who have the guts to say it”
Thank you for proving my point about the supporters of ZZH not having the common sense to read and comprehend what is being said. Were you capable of that, you would have noticed that the biggest critic of ZZH is none other than Abidullah Jan.
Slam
I appreciated to zaid hamid for protecting Pakistan. creating issues like nations interest, if zaid hamid need any volonter or help for cause of Pakistan we always redy to —-.his opinion and facts about taliban is ver clear and based on reality.
may allah almighty help to zaid hamid for their cause
Thanks
@nota
what a nonsense and ignorant claim you make about Abidullah jan being his biggest critic. What are the sources of your insane rhetoric. And the person who mentioned that all supporters of Zaid hamid are uninformed or somehow his supporters, well he should know that no smear campaign will stop this movement of taking back our country. There are people like you in every country. And the people who expose the truth, like Alex Jones & Ron Paul in the U.S or Harun Yahya in Turkey are labelled nutcases.
The sensible people of the world are awakening, and this rubbish about Zaid supporting a false prophet is a vain attempt from you guys to stop the movement of establishing Allah’s Deen on this planet.
Nota,
LOL, this guy Jawed Iqbal is making a fool of himself.
Well Zaid Hamid’s theories are not new. Dr Israr, Ford and the whole internet is filled with the protocols stuff.
Zaid Hamid and his gang hired a pappu chick, who was given dumb-questions to ask and so Zaid Hamid puts his talk with-out any credible questions answered.
What he is trying to do is divide the support of taliban and AQ. Which Musharraf tried hard but failed after the Lal Masjid incident. As a result there are two parts of Pakistani Taliban. One who are paid and supported by Pakistan Army and the other who are fighting against any one who would want to fight them.
Its an old lesson given by our Masters, divide and rule.
Zaid Hamid didn’t have the guts or courage to admit the faults of Pakistan Army. How can he say that Pakistan Army didn’t commit any attrocous activities in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).
I think Zaid Hamid is trying to save some Pak Army and ISI asses like Musharraf did in case of Dr Shazia
@iPakistani
Jawed Iqbal once again proves my point about comprehension by stating “what a nonsense and ignorant claim you make about Abidullah jan being his biggest critic. What are the sources of your insane rhetoric.” He fails to see that Abidullah Jan is the guy most quoted in the article on top; it is Abidullah Jan who gives us the email exchange with ZZH; it is Abidullah Jan who posted the scans of the Yousaf Kazzab book; it is Abidullah jan who wrote several detailed articles exposing ZZH.
They also fail to notice DictatorshipWatch.com site is run by none other than Abidullah Jan, and it says that right on top of the site (”Edited by Abid Ullah Jan” to be exact).
@Jawed Iqbal
Still claim “what a nonsense and ignorant claim”?
(Somehow I think you will despite the above)
@iPakistani
Speaking of “Zaid Hamid’s theories are not new”, wish these m*r*ns would realize that “The Protocols…” were first published in 1903 (and the original manuscript is a lot older). Henry Ford wrote his articles “to assert that there was a Jewish conspiracy to control the world” around 1920 (They were published under the title “The International Jew: The World’s Problem”), regarding “Modern Money Mechanics”, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago itself started publishing it in the 1950’s I believe.
As nota says, Henry Ford wrote “The International Jew” in the 1920’s. Mills’ “The Power Elite” was written in the 1950’s. The internet has been filled with this stuff from day one. Zeitgeist compiled alot of it into one (which Zaid Hamid, being a deceitful liar erased 40 minutes of).
All these conspiracy theories – whether with foundation or not – have been dealt with to death by dozens of western based researchers. Zaid Hamid, being a pathological liar, takes those theories and without offering anything new, anything of his own, uses them to claim that everything happening in the West was all in effect a conspiracy against Islam. I am not sure where freaks like Hamid and his supporters get the idea that a group of people, who neither have the ability nor the brains to make something as useless as an 18th century plough can be seen as such a threatening entity by the West.
Who teaches Zaid Hamid this bullkrap? Why would anyone want to hatch a conspiracy against ‘Islam’ when all these western powers have to do is operate these Muslims via remote controls or simply go take over these states at will? What insane logic convinces Zaid Hamid that Muslims are a power worth reckoning?
Last I check, every economic review, every prediction, every analysis mentions China and India as potential powers. They mention Russia re-emerging. They mention Europe trying to become a center of gravity. They are impressed with what Brazil and Latin America will be able to do. They even mention Africa as the new sphere of influence!! No where ever mentions Zaid Hamid’s much trumpeted ‘Muslim bloc’ unfortunately as being anything other than a nuisance value. OK, an extremist nuisance value.
How many of you (critic of Zaid Hamid) knew about these conspiracy theories before he told it to general masses on his program?
How many times does he issued a statement against ISLAM and Pakistan? He has always mentioned that Inshallah Nothing is going to Happen to Pakistan and Allah will destroy the planning of infidels (West, Israel and India). He has categorically condemn the policies of Musharraf on war of terrorism and the real mentality of Pakistani Taleban. He has also criticized the policies of Shaukat Aziz, whom he called puppet of IMF and world bank, installed to destroy the economy of Pakistan. He has also condemned the nature in which Musharraf has given freehand to Shaukat Aziz to make Pakistan a consumer based economy (everyone taking loan to afford luxuries of life which they cannot get it without loan). He has also mentioned that Government of Pakistan should focus on agriculture because this sector can be improved with little effort and can give Pakistan a strong backbone to survive in economic crunch. He was absolutely right about the American, Israeli and Indian influence in Baluchistan and FATA. He also mentioned that we are going to face a very hard time in the future but inshallah will turn the table around.
All the illogical critics of Zaid Hamid are bunch of Morons and Screwed-up who are addicted to westren ideology.
I have tried to follow through the whole scandal but fail to see where exactly is the link between Zaid Hamid of brasstacks with that of the Yusuf kazzab. Showing a name on a scanned picture is not really “undeniable” proof to prove all the plethora of allegations. Is that it or am I missing something?
@Bilal Abdul Mujeeb
“How many of you (critic of Zaid Hamid) knew about these conspiracy theories before he told it to general masses on his program?”
I personally have been following them for 20 some years. I have read “Protocols of Elders of Zion”, “The International Jew: The World’s Problem”, “Modern Money Mechanics” (among many others) and can email you a copy (pdf) if you so desire.
“All the illogical critics of Zaid Hamid are bunch of Morons and Screwed-up who are addicted to westren ideology.”
Scanning the comments above I don’t think there was a single “illogical” criticism of ZZH; Illogical supporters plenty :)
Lets leave the BS aside. What he was what he did is of no concern. What he is preaching is the right thing.
The day i hear Zaid sahib speak and preach the falsehood, i shall make a judgment myself.
Leave the others too judge themselves too. Dont spread Sh*t around.
This is what is usually done to bring down popularity of an individual especially when he is speaking the truth. Be with him as long as he is tellingt he truth, dont be an id*ot.
Once he has given a rebuttal, the case is closed.
@Abrar Rauf
“What he is preaching is the right thing.”
According to you. But then according to you he is a Mehdi of sorts and can speak no wrong.
“The day i hear Zaid sahib speak and preach the falsehood, i shall make a judgment myself.”
Don’t waste your time. If you haven’t seen the falsehood yet, I doubt you ever will.
“Once he has given a rebuttal, the case is closed”
Rebuttal? Where?
Here is another person sending an email to Zaid Hamid and Zaid’s response.
Note his not answering any of the questions posed to him but instead responding with the same email posted above.
Dear Zaid,
I have seen most of your programs and believe many things you say are correct but I also sometimes feel that you exaggerate things are lot. I am not going in details but I have following questions. Please respond these questions otherwise people will be in more confusion.
1. What is your relation with Yousaf Kazzab if you don’t have a relation please explain people what you were doing at that time with a solid proof, because now it’s a not a personal matter. You are an opinion leader who is influencing people of Pakistan and you are answerable in front of these people. Every human being on earth is questionable except the prophets.
2. Your company provide security services consultancy to all leading banks of Pakistan, if you are against these so called Zionist people and economic terrorist why your major source of income is banks.
3. Who sponsors your program on TV1news, as a person of business community I know that broadcasting a program series is around half a million business. Who is funding for this.
4. You spend a lot of time with Brinks Security, from very reliable source I know that Brinks Company is totally funded by Israeli and owned by Jews please comment on this too.
5. My last question is, around 150 billion Rupees are invested in agriculture sector each year, from your speech about gold currency had a worse effect on banking and creating rumors do you think this was the right time to speak about it, or you had some personal grudge about your clients.
Thanks for be patient but this is our right and need to be answered.
He just won’t answer any of the above questions. I am sure. He will only continue to curse like khala khairan. :D
Seems the world has gone upside down here as well… The burden of proof is normally on the accuser not the defendant. What proof has been provided by the accusers so far? Lets list these:
1. A scanned paper (what is the source; could be faked!)
2. An exchange of emails (any independent confirmation?)
3. Other “links” (what’s the relevance?)
Come on people! be sensible. I ask his opponents to be careful. If you are declaring him guilty on the basis of these “proofs” then believe me this will just make him stronger. Truth devours falsehood.
I still await to see any undeniable proof for the allegations.
Ramem: Forget about the personal allegations against Zaid Hamid. I for one will not accept them until i have some concrete proof.
But lets come to what Zaid Hamid is saying in his talks: He is espousing some of the most unbelievable & outrageous conspiracy theories on how the world is being run – What proof is he giving except some references to books & texts that have already been proven as false. Doesn’t the burden of proof argument apply to him or is he above all this?
I don’t know whether he was or wasn’t associated with Yousuf Kazab but his supporters seem to treat him no less than a prophet when it comes to accepting his views.
Second his theories on economics are totally absurd & make no sense. Like his insistence that Gold represents real wealth whereas paper money does not, when in fact both don’t.
Well his theories are irrelevant at the moment. Everybody has the right to speak their mind and others have the right to accept or reject or insist on their own.
However all this current scandal has come about because some people have made enormous allegations against his personal life (not his theories). Please re-read the main article under which you are posting.
BUT so far they have not brought any solid proof forward. I would again ask the people who have made the allegations to bring forward their proofs.
Even when one disagrees with others, the “Innocent unless Proven Guilty” principle should still be applied to execute justice… even with your foes. This is the way of decent people.
Ramem: Like i said i agree that most of the allegations here are just that – allegations without much to back them up. I don’t know Zaid Hamid personally neither do i know the people who are accusing him. So i cannot judge who is telling the truth.
I can however, judge what Zaid Hamid is saying in his talks.
His theories are very relevant because his supporters are claiming that he is being attacked because he has exposed the truth.
I think the debate should be on his theories rather than his background.
@nota…
I have been searching internet for last 3 – 4 years regarding the real leaders of the current world and how this blasphemes financial system came into existence. I agree with Zaid Hamid and others like him who are trying to tell the world that this fake system is going to collapse.
Also he has categorically mentioned that US, UK, India and Israel are responsible for chaos in Pakistan so why the people are against him?
I have watched all his programs and I dont believe in this crap that he was the right hand of Yousaf.
GUYS! its all the BANKERS out there who are commenting against Zaid Hamid. Harram khatay hain saray kay saray. May Allah guide you towards the right path. Ameen.
Altaf bhai If you want to comment about the theories discussed by ZH then do so at other appropriate places including another post on this blog:
Economic Terrorism – by Zaid Hamid
In the meanwhile please do not let you disagreement allow you to see that the allegations made against his personal life are very serious but completely baseless.
Altaf bhai If you want to comment about the theories discussed by ZH then do so at other appropriate places including another post on this blog:
Economic Terrorism – by Zaid Hamid
In the meanwhile please do not let you disagreement allow you to overlook that the allegations made against his personal life are very serious but completely baseless.
Ramem: The allegations against him are serious but personally, i don’t care one bit whether they are true or not. Why? Well because i never took what he had to say very seriously in the first place. He doesn’t seem bothered enough about the allegations to give a clear cut answer – I wonder why so many of his supporters are so worried. If he is not bothered, than why should i care?
Second, Zaid Hamid is certainly a very good speaker & comes across as a really informative & sincere guy. But looking beyond that, Zaid Hamid’s theories are crappy to say the least.
His point of views on most things are overly simplistic – with everything so black & white & the world divided between Good & Evil – not much different from George Bush’s world view.
My friend contacted Zaid Sahib about this issue and this is what Zaid Sahib had to say
People if you want to know anything about Zaid Sahib simply contact him, call him, email him, he replies to all emails. why confuse yourself with this cheap propaganda.
Zaid Hamid replied:
“Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping my self under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this deen and in love of Rasul Allah. My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remains for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
Those with noor can see the rehma, baraka and khair from Allah and love of Rasul Allah in the life and mission of this humble faqeer. Hasbu nallah Naimul Wakeel, Naimul Maula wa naimun Naseer.
Curse of Allah, angels and momineen be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhemmed Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem are those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhemmed Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.
They have accused me of gravest of sins, called me a Kafir and Murtid, follower of false prophets, running cults, doing khiyanat in wealth of orphans and widows, working for secret services against the State, and sponsoring my own program on News1 through secret funding of dubious agencies. Also, being a fraud by pretending to be a doctor or Professor !
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Do I need to respond to these shameless slandering initiated by this site ??
There are four names we see: None of them know me despite their claims.
* Abid Ullah Jan — He has never met me in life.
* Tahir (reporter) He too has never met me in life.
* N. Shahrukh, (who does not expose his name or address) whom I sure I have never met in life or at least never in last 17 years since I left Karachi.
* Faiyyaz Alam, whom I am also sure have never met in life or at least never in the last 17 years.
Ali, How on earth can they claim to know me ????? What are their motives, intentions and backers to try to stop our mission for Pakistan’s national security ??? You know me and I know myself – rest assured brother, they are attention grabbers and nothing more or for the argument less.
What evidence they have provided? What they present as evidence is only fabricated allegation of Kufr and Khiyanat not proof !!! Each and every allegation must be backed by proof. Quran, Sunnat, Sharia, law and truth demands it. They respond allegation with more allegation. Have they asked me and seeked clarification before making their Bohtan ?? Are they willing to come and confront me face to face with proof on all bohtans ???
Ali, I wanted to avoid a global e-mailing match as this is what they want to draw us into to distract us from our real mission for Pakistan and Ummah. Everyone is most welcome to visit us in our office in Pindi and seek any further clarification if required. I will not defend myself any further. Even if you clarify our position, please maintain dignity and honor at all times and don’t make a public shouting match.
We don’t need to scoop to lower levels to defend ourselves and this Deen.
We will inshallah, not be distracted and continue our mission of protecting Pakistan against all threats, internal and external.
Wassalam and duago”
May Allah protect Zaid Hamid and give him strength in his mission.
Well, zaid hamid gets the credit to push this to the masses of Pakistan.
But we should not just take the whole pill and swallow it because its coming from Anti-American-looking guy.
Zaid Hamid is wrong in several places which I think he is trying to please the corrupt generals of Pakistan army and he portrays Pakistan Army as a clean and sin-less organization.
Yes we love Pakistan Army and Pakistan, but it shouldn’t mean that we swallow every shit they offer us.
@Muzaffar
If you had bothered to scan through the comments you would notice ZZH replies to every question with the same silly email. Ask him what color is the sky and you will get the same message in return. I think he suffers from the same problem of comprehension as his fans.
@zafar
Well said!
@Bilal Abdul Mujeeb
I don’t think I am questioning the facts but only the spin. My only problem with ZZH is his twisting of facts and outright — and intentional — lying.
nota, please list the lies with the clear proofs you have. its simple to catch a liar! here is your chance. but be careful you may get entangled in your own net ;-)
Salam,
First of all, if you are reading this message, my thanks to teeth maestro for posting it.
I would just like to say that we are all Pakistanis, and our destinies are tied together. Notwithstanding the differences in our approaches and opinions, we must appreciate each other’s sincerity to Pakistan. You may disagree with Zaid sahib’s view point on some particular thing, but we should not let any bitterness come between us. We can all continue to work for Pakistan in the way we think is best.
Zaid sahib is a sincere Pakistani, and is only doing everything for Pakistan. If you disagree with him, you may not support him, but there is no point in trying to oppose him by leveling such baseless allegations against him.
Also, if you have any questions on his economic ideas, or other policy matters, you are most welcome to ask. Soon we will be setting up a frequently asked questions section, and if you have questions about any policy matter, you would be able to ask there.
We personally do not have anything Fasi Zaka, Abid Jan or anyone else. They may think and believe whatever they want. But we must not get divided, and remain focused on the higher national interest, which each of us can serve no matter whom we follow, and whom we believe. Zaid sahib has said multiple times that “BrassTacks” is not an organization: Our organization has been in place for 60 years, and its called Pakistan! All those who believe in Pakistan, are our brothers and friends, even if you do not want to support BrassTacks specifically.
Thanks
Asif Shiraz,
zaid hamid is a low life, big mouth. He can talk any thing that is approved by Pakistan Army, but he can not admit the wrong doings of Pakistan Army.
Tell, this sorry ass to go and stop the carnage in FATA by his masters.
@Ramem
“nota, please list the lies with the clear proofs you have. its simple to catch a liar! here is your chance. but be careful you may get entangled in your own net”
First of all if asking simple, straight forward questions is considered trying to entangle the briliant ZZH in a net, it itself speaks volumes. Second, if you notice several questions have already been asked of ZZH but NOT ONE has received an answer (No, I do not consider that stupid email he sends in response to every question as an answer). :)
For starters, tell your Khalifah to answer the following directly (No I won’t accept that stupid email as an answer):
1) Did Pakistani army commit any atrocities in East Pakistan?
2) Are all actions by Pakistani forces in FATA and Swat justified?
3) Has ISI ever committed a sin (kidnappings, murder, terrorist bombings to name a few)?
4) Are all the killings in Baluchistan by security forces justified?
5) All Baloch nationalists really foreign-supported agents as he claims?
6) Why does he lie about Gwadar hacing been sold to the British?
7) Was murder of Bugti by Musharraf justified?
8) Did Musharraf do any wrong?
9) Why doesn’t he give credit to the original researchers? Why is that not plagiarism?
10) If “evil global bankers” and evil corporations are the real enemies of Islam and Pakistan, then why does he seek them as his clients and offers them protection? How does that not make him an enemy of Islam and Pakistan?
REMEMBER: Direct answers only. “humble faqeer” don’t go cursing “Allah unhay GarQ karay” :)
@Asif Shiraz
Do pass these along to your maestro. Let’s see if he can answer them for us honestly without going into a tirade.
(I have intentionally left out the Kazab issue so as not to distract from the questions above. ANyways it has been asked many times already and each time he has failed to answer.)
@Asif Shiraz
One question for you: As mentioned in the article above, why did you not mention in your article that not only were you ZZH’s neighbor but also an employee of BrassTacks? Were you not being dishonest?
(Please don’t respond with “I did not think it was relevant!” It was very much relevant and the disclaimer should have been clearly posted).
Salam All,
Mr Hamid comes as a man who possesses alot of knowledge and forces people to look within. I wont advocate nor detest him. rather i would want all of us to think that during these testing times we should stand united and work upon ourselves rather then divulging our time on finding faults or advocating someone. We should all start within and try to make a difference in the world we live in. and our first most priority should be PAKISTAN. God has blessed us with a head to differntiate between whats right and whats wrong so i suggest that rather then fighting it out as to whose beliefs are right and whose are incorrect we should focus on our ownselves. Let us Pray that God Almightly gives us the strength and his blessing so that we all unite and fight the enemies of Islam and Pakistan.
i dont’ care what ever religion he was following or spearding he only talks high of pakistan and for its glory only and thats what matters .i almost watch his every show i have never heard of any thing thats agianst islam or pakistan and by the way i wrote many letters to him to come to my university and give speech .he is totaly has a dominating personality and the way he talk and the details he gives is like u have bever heard before .
Here is the proof that Mr. Zaid Zaman Hamid was actually ASSOCIATED WITH YOUSUF ALI ???? (false Prophet after Mohammed SAW)
Please find below link of article written by Zaid Zaman himself in August 2000
http://www.chowk.com/interacts/4863/1/0/64
#61 Posted by jay (Zaid Zaman Hamid) on August 13, 2000 10:13:41 am
FATWA-FOBIA
There are a lot of allegedly moderates pakistanis on the chowk, who believe in human rights, who have woRn out their fingers posting about kashmir, the jinnah speach, the tolerant islam in pakistan, the 2% ……………………………………
WELL AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED,THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS ARTICLE IS SURELY NOT A BIG FAN OF MR.ZAID HAMID.I THINK WHATEVER MR.ZAID SAYS IS QUITE TRUE AND MOST TIMES HE EVEN GIVE REFERENCES FROM THE QURAN AND HADITH.
What he tells is a bit difficult to understand for many due to ignorance of what is happening in the world.But the one who knows these secret societies like the FREMASONS,ILLUMINATIS,SKULL AND BONES…….they will surely understand what he means.
I am still against Z. Z. Hamid’s views.. but as far as his connection with a false prophet is concerned my view has changed after reading the post below it is clear that Yousuf Ali did not claimed to be a prophet and that is the reason because of which he supported Yousuf Ali… Media just do nothing except exploiting things… If your close friend would in such wrong charges then being a true muslim it was your duty to support him and tell others that people are exagerating things and it is not true… It is possible that people misunderstood yousuf ali…
@Arif after reading this stuff how could you say that he was in favour of a false prophet????
source: http://www.chowk.com/interacts/4863/1/0/64
Posted by jay(Zaid Zaman Hamid) on August 13, 2000 10:13:41 am
FATWA-FOBIA
There are a lot of allegedly moderates pakistanis on the chowk, who believe in human rights, who have woRn out their fingers posting about kashmir, the jinnah speach, the tolerant islam in pakistan, the 2% extremists. In supporting the killing of kashmir in the guise of human rights, selfdetermination etc. they are in tune with the mullahs, who prefer the word jihad.
In the following story, if the alleged moderates criticise the blasphemy laws they will be in conflict with the mullah. No, the moderates cannot afford to do that because of the fatwafobia. The human rights blah blah does not apply to pakistani nationals.
Convicted for blasphemy
A kind, benevolent and honourable Muslim Sufi of a small order has been sentenced to death on blasphemy charges by a court in Lahore. I am an eyewitness to what happened in the court and how the prosecution murdered justice, human dignity, Islamic and contemporary law and all norms of humanity in the name of Islam. Mohammad Yusuf Ali is a staunch Muslim and a scholar of the Holy Quran. He has rendered meritorious services to Islam, Pakistan and humanity in his career. It was only a difference of interpretation which was exploited by extremist mullahs and some Urdu newspapers. Yusuf Ali had already spent two years in jail and now he has been convicted.
I was present in the courtroom to assist the defence lawyers. It was barred to the outside world. I am witness to what happened inside and how he has been convicted. The prosecution had based their case on four items: audio cassette of Juma Khutba, video cassettes of Juma Khutba, Yousuf Ali`s purported diary, and one Pir and his few followers, who claimed that he had claimed to be “Muhammad“ in front of them many years ago!
There was nothing objectionable in the cassettes, and even according to Qanoon-i-Shahadat, they were inadmissible, as the one who had made these was not known. They were highly edited, doctored and manipulated.
The diary was not of Yusuf Ali`s at all, and even the prosecution admitted that they were not sure of its origin. It had no name, no handwriting match, no owner. It was simply alleged on Yusuf Ali and was torn to shreds in its originality and credibility.
The Pir and his followers were again torn to shreds, as none of them was the complainant. They never reported the alleged blasphemy to the police or any other authority, which supposedly happened many years ago. Their credibility did not exist at all in terms of contradictions in cross examinations.
One of them was on bail on fraud charges. The complainant had all the info on hearsay. He had never met the accused in his life. All his info was through Urdu newspapers. He accused Yusuf Ali of adultery, but even in the FIR, the relevant section was not mentioned for lack of evidence, making the complainant liable to “Qazaf“. His testimony was not admissible at all.
Yusuf Ali had categorically, even before the registration of the FIR, made it clear through paid ads that he had not claimed to be a prophet and he was a staunch Muslim. Top religious scholars like Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi had declared him a true Muslim and asked the charges to be dropped. According to all legal and Shariat requirements he had proved himself to be a true Muslim. Still the prosecution insisted that he called himself a prophet. How can anyone be the judge of someone`s faith? The prosecution lawyers went so overboard that even the judge had to stop them from committing blasphemy in trying to prove Yusuf Ali wrong. Even though Yusuf Ali was on bail, he was arrested one day earlier against all rules, laws and norms. It is extraordinary how the bail given by a High Court was cancelled by the Sessions Court and the accused was arrested.
The whole trial was in camera and the media was not allowed in to hear Yusuf Ali`s explanations, his speeches and comments. The media was also barred from seeing the hopelessness of the prosecution witnesses and their lawyers.
It was on this quality of evidence that a great living sufi has been condemned to death on so many counts that we have lost count.
Now Yusuf Ali is in the line for gallows. Will we wait and let the evil win or raise our voices for our own survival?
Z.Z. HAMID
Rawalpindi
It is to clarify about http://brasstacks.coolpage.biz
My name is Nouman Hashmi, i administer brasstacks.coolpage and it is Unofficial website made for BrassTacks, It has nothing to do with Zaid Hamid or BrassTacks directly.
The Movie Zeitgeist has been discussed here that part-1 is missing, I myself cut that part out because this movie Zeitgeist is made by some atheists who deny God and reject religion as superstitious beliefs, which is unIslamic by any aspect! Zeitgeist II has been released now and I edited this version too so that people can be kept by misguiding contents of this movie.
Thank You.
Allah Hafiz.
1. This above post by Zaid Hamid is enough to prove his relation with Yousaf Kazab, which he never denied or admitted clearly.
2. Yousaf Kazab’s case was not an unfair trial,….one can say so, if that was only before trial court….but in appeal a Division Bench of High Court up held the decision of trial court.
3. In appeal three judges of Supreme Court reached same conclusion.
This is quite childish to say that three courts, and two superior courts which were composed of more then one judges, did not find the truth, as case was not a political one.
Secondly Justice Nazir, of High Court passed very harsh comments about Kazab during hearing, Now to say Kazab was innocent is another dirty efferot to manipulate facts to save Zaid’s skin……..
@Ali
My point was to proof that Mr. Zaid Hamid was 100% associated with Yousaf Ali Kazzab (kazzab meaning Lair). As relevant from his self written post above.
Now Yousaf Ali claimed to be prophet Or not thats something else. In my Next post I shall proof that Yousaf Ali false prophecy claims.
Just wait and watch !!
Nota, you have just proven yourself to be liar when you could not provide the proof of your claim. The burden of proof is on the claimant not the defendant. Asking irrelevant question to the statement you made (that Z Hamid has made lies) is not admissible as proof. I give you one more chance here. Please provide proof of your claim or be known to be liar yourself from now on.
Arif bhai, thanks for providing the missing “evidence” that many others here failed to provide. This looks pretty close to be the root cause of all this fuss as it links Z Hamid with the story of Yousuf Kazzab.
However using this article as evidence to claim that Z Hamid was supporter and follower of a false Prophet is not justified. I ask every sincere person to re-read the above article to see if Z Hamid was writing to support the false prophethood of a false prophet or was he writing about miscarriage of justice in support of somebody he considered to be victim of a sham trial. Please use your intelligence to extract the truth.
I may not agree with many things Zaid Hamid says in his talks (some of them are old conspiracy theories), but I cannot find any evidence to malign his character with the horrible allegations made in the main article.
I came here with open mind to find out the truth about these exorbitant claims against a public speaker (Z Hamid). What I have seen so far is bigotry and propaganda by the opponents of Z Hamid without any justifiable proof. The closest link associating Z Hamid and Yousuf Kazzab only proves the innocence of Z hamid. After reading this article (http://www.chowk.com/interacts/4863/1/0/64) I can only conclude that the whole fuss is nothing but exaggeration of all sorts.
the author is ignorant or he is working on part of GEO or CIA (this article is false and propaganda)
.. i think listen to all his programmes and write down all the references he mentoined and then carry out research of their authenticity and you will find that whatever he speaks is truth and he unveils the most horror truth in his research programmes. i listen all programmes from him from economic terrorism to current situation after marriot attack he didnt mention anything which author mentioned above. he proves things with references and all refrences are true. the above article is totally propaganda and false it does not contain any solid evidence or reference which proves that he is the zaid zaman the author mentioned in this topic ….
please do some research before forwarding any artilce spacially its authemticity that is it true or false. didnt you notice that the author knows little too much of Zaid hamid close friends eventhen he didnt mention where is he operating from in islamabad ( i mean i lives in islamabad i can go and confirm it myself ) but till now i didnt find any link true refernce or proof who link zaid zaman and zaid hamid..
My humble request to moderator is please not to post articles without authenticity.
please carryout some of your own research into this and please follow me any link if you find so i can also correct myself..
””””””but till now i didnt find any link true refernce or proof who link zaid zaman and zaid hamid”””’
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@Nisar Zaka
This is joke of the year!
Are all his follower as brilliant as you?
His name is ZZ /Zahid Zaman Hamid
Yaara these are very strange people. In 2000 he is criticizing the decision of Lahore high court, now ZH and his team of Firqa-e-Batania are confusing the innocent viewers and believe me they are not going to own the post of Chowk.com. Pls stops this useless discussion and arrange for catching Zaid Hamid and ask all these questions in front of Camera. (Mr Teeth I’ll arrange the cameras.) However, I’m not sure that he will open his mouth but if he opens it, it will clear so many confusions.
But if he is not doing that: then wait and count 5 days. After 5 days you will have reach to resource material exposing ZZH and his team. Khan LaLa is working day and night on it and compiling documents…an eye opener document. Pls don’t let these people escape :P
This Blog is all about non sense …rather than seeking truth…
when the man (Zaid Hamid) has clearly stated in his scripts and videos that he is a staunch beleiver of Last Prophet as Muhammad (PBUH) …this should be enough proof to resolve the matter.BUT It is not the case.
so im Off this Blog and will ask the truth seekers to do the same rather than engaging in cross fire with some Dumb Brains!!!!
May ALLAH Guide us All
Mr Naif he hasn’t clearly stated ……he should clearly state that he was and is not with yousaf Kazab. We will cross question. OR say that he was with yousaf Kazab and he was true Muslim but sentenced to death due to unfair trial. The letter will prove that the post at CHowk is that of ZH. Then we have the record of evidence, audio of Juma Khutba, video of Juma Khutba and his diary.
But believe me he will do neither of the two. He will just bark and blame Jews and Hindu for what his masters, the agents of Jews and Hindu are doing. For God sake leave Jews and Hindu and first fight the Jews inside, the Jews and who have Pakistani and Muslim names, the Jews who have occupied high position in (Na) Pak army and our establishment. Once we have tackled them, we will definitely fight Jews in US and Hindu of India as we are the real JIHADI and not ISI, MI, FBI, CIA, MOSAD and RAW sponsored Jihadi like ZH and his companions.
It is clear from the behaviour of the enthusiastic opponents of Z Hamid that even if he provides a comprehensive clarification they come back with nitty gritty things and demand more questions to be answered. There is no gaurentee that even more answers will satisfy them.
For open minded people I think matter is settled.
@Ramem
“Nota, you have just proven yourself to be liar when you could not provide the proof of your claim…Asking irrelevant question to the statement you made ”
And what claims am I making? My first nine questions really are not irrelevant as their answers do confirm who his pay-masters are (Of course they were rhetorical as he has already answered them in his shows but you are too blind to see) My last one again needs no answer as it states a fact that proves his hypocracy (as does my question to Asif Shiraz provs his dishonesty). Duh!
But I do find it hilarious that his “followers” ask us to ask questions and we do that, instead of answering all they can resort to is name calling :)
By the way (putting aside Yousaf trial fair or not) you still want more “proof” (Thanks Ali & Arif) of ZZH’s association with him? Why doesn’t he have the guts to admit it like he did back in 2000? And why is this “brave soldier fighting the forces of evil” so afraid of answering even simple questions of even a “dumb brain”?
@Rahman
“I acknowledge that my data has been restored you can send the HD for claim.”
You’re right these Nota, lonely ranger and mr teeth have the habit of asking question! Don’t pay head to them. just answer my single and last question. Has ZZH been associated with Yousaf Ali ( who may be wrongly convicted by the MULLAHS doing strict intepretation of religion and issuing Fatwas of Kufur so constantly)?
I need the Answer to this question just in Yes or No. Hope you are letrate and know well that i need the answer in YES or a BIG no. Believe me i has nothing to do with these NOTAs, it will clear me. But pls no byen shaen!
All these anti-ZH have yet again reminded us that we are Pakistanis.
I was such a jerk blindly following Zaid Hamid. Thanks for enlightening me.
We are the people who are excellent when it comes to pulling someones leg, how can we let this Zaid Hamid escape.
I mean we are the people who didnt even forgive Edhi and accused him of selling children(and i am sure he does) and this yesterday’s boy Zaid Hamid thinks he can escape us. no f..kin way.
I am the best muslim, i love Pakistan more and i am doing more for Pakistan, this Zaid Hamid thinks he loves the ummmah and Pakistan more than me. what is he doing for Pakistan and the ummah, nothing, look at me i am blogging :) and pulling others legs, thats how much i care for Pakistan and the ummah and thats my contribution.
So what if Zaid Hamid is wearing a white dress with a small black spot on it. I dont give a f..k about the white dress, how dare that black spot be on his dress.
I was such a fool joining this revolution and now i shall go back to my ethnic political party, smoke cigarettes talking to useless people saying ‘Pakistan nahi bach sakta, Pakistan toot jaye ga’.
Thanks for the awakening guys. We are the real patriotic Pakis and mujahids(bus ek baar America ka visa lag jaye).
Yousaf Qazzab (Master of Zaid zamaan hamid) was sentenced to death in a trail after the judge saw the video of yousaf, which clearly proofed that he claimed to be prophet. The Case against yousaf Kazzab was filed by “Threek Nifaz Khatamay Naboot” with many other proofs also. The same organization which proofed that Ahmediya (qiyadani) are non-muslims. Zaid Zaman was nominated as his caliph No 1 and was called Hazrat Abu bakr.
I think that, we must wait & see what KHAN LALA has to put on the table.
Secondly, my humble request to all lovers of ZZH is tht please remain calm as its responsibility of ALL OF US tht we must know the facts before following any person.
Just to refresh ur memories, dont forget tht Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani was also a very good speaker & initially Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Iqbal & many others were his companions but wen they came to know the fact they changed their minds & came to rite track.
I agree with Az’zaam on the issue of Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani. We should be careful.
That is why I ask people who have posted that the claim of prophet hood by Youasf Ali has been recorded on video. Please show the video to general public and show some concrete evidence that link ZZH to Yousaf Ali?
“News Alert”
The author of the Book “Fitna Yousaf Kazzab”, Mian Abdul Ghaffar will get online in a few days. He had been there in the court during the proceedings of the case of Yousaf Kazzab. According to Mian Sb , Kazzab had confessed before the Judges that the Diary was his and not purported as reported by ZH on chowk. How can one listen to a liar and that too the one who lie for the person like Kazzab?
How dare he appears on TV and shows that he is a Muslim?
@ I doubt about Teeth’s article, it hides some flagrant
fabricaions, he seems to have access on something
fantasmic, never revealed uptill now, more than 240 posts.
Just another hoax from Impostor’s ummat.
@ Aa’zaam,
please correct yourself, Ghulam Qadiani had four phases
of his life,the youth, adult, Prophecy claim, and the
aftermath.
When he was adult and had learned some notions of Islam
he, naturally engaged into disputes with missionnaries,
and perhaps mastered in debates, so many people perhaps
appriciated it ” against Christians as Mubaligh “,
but you should inform all that as soon as he started
telling nonsense about Prophecy ” ALL OF THEM TOOK
DISTANCE FROM HIM AND FINALLY ALL DENOUNCED, CONDEMNED
AND CALLED HIM A KAAZIB ” So the nonsense and false
impression of youtube stands flate like a tire.
I would very soon tell you about the period of his end.
@Naif
@Nasir Zaka & others
Listen, I have got some info,
Silence is not telling the truth, there are atleast
18 commenters on this post who are using different names
ALL THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH AND KIZB LIKE
THEIR IMPOSTOR NABI AND HIS ZURRIAT.
With all the evidence that is so far made public or is promised to be made public… what exactly will you guys establish? That Z Hamid supported Yousuf Kazzab considering him to be a innocent. This can be a criticism of possibly a bad judgement on Z Hamid part on that occasion but it still does not cast any doubt on his integrity or his faith. Please make this clear in your minds. About his own islamic beliefs and views regarding khatme nabuwwat his statement clarifies things completely.
Have you detected any thing in his speeches hinting about him being a deviant muslim? If so please bring that to attention.
@Ramem
“what exactly will you guys establish? That Z Hamid supported Yousuf Kazzab considering him to be a innocent. This can be a criticism of possibly a bad judgement on Z Hamid part on that occasion but it still does not cast any doubt on his integrity or his faith.”
Let us assume we have established that. Well and good. What then becomes ineresting is that ZZH continues to deny it completely. Why?
Let us assume also that Yousaf Ali was wrongly convicted and those tapes/diaries are fake and ZZH’s 2000 defense is correct. Then why the denials of any association with Yousaf Ali? What kind of a man of convictions is this?
@ The Qads on this blog have re-appeared in their
filthy posts, yet another Zalalat, against muslims.
They should remove their religious-filthy game of CIA
Mosad, Raw, and their preist MI6.
Zaid zaman Hamid buys time in TV1 channel, that is he post his own show. He talks of Islam but needs a women model (hot chic) to question him, so may people are attracted towards the model and he can fool more and more people.
When hamid mir on Roohi TV exposed army and ISI . Look who came to defend ISI. Yes no other then there Zaid Zaman Hamid
calling Hamid Mir an CIA agent but In actual himself speaking for ISI.
first video shows Hamid Mir Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhy6BR8Hb38
and then came Zaid Zaman responce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iKfDUpyjKU&feature=related
This proof speaks who is an ISI agent and defending it.
@ What a bunch of liars, Impostor’s ummat
they don’t even know how to lie, donkeys, they have been
trying for the last 80 years that Mirza was a Nabi,Mehdi,
Jesus or all three of them, what style of Buhtaan and
arguments have not changed, they smell Qadiani shit in
their doubts and fitnah against Islam and muslim.
Abu Jehal’s disciples.
@Teeth and his pathetic gang
You cannot prove anything.. because you guys are lairs, and anti Pakistan and anti Muslims! You people are advocate of jewish system and their ideology.
You are hiding behind screen names and trying to create a conspiracy against Mr. Zaid. The same you guys have done with Musharraf and we have not forgotten the poison you all spilled out against him.
I met Mr. Zaid last week in Islamabad.. meeting with him is so easy.. I just called his office and set up an appointment. He comes on TV and deals with public.. on the other hands you coward people are hiding behind screen names on Internet.. it is very clear who is a liar!
The way you have insulted Mr. Zaid and his fans.. I think its better you keep yourself behind screen names! Go to hell!
@Lalajan
“I met Mr. Zaid last week in Islamabad.. meeting with him is so easy.”
Of course it is easy meeting him — you m*r*n — for he runs a business and always looking for clients.
@ LALAJAN
who is a lair ???
If meeting with Zaid Zaman Hamid is easy , please ask the following questions from him and please give answer in YES or NO
1. Kya Yusuf Ali ne Noor-e-Muhammad (SAW) ka “libas” hone ka dawa kiya thha aur apne mannay walon ko sahabi-e-rasool kaha thha, jis mein aap bhi shamil thhay?
Did Yousaf Ali proclaimed himself to be the “libas” of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and called his followers, including yourself, “Sahabi-e-rasool?
2. Kya Yusuf Ali ne aap ko apna khalifa namzad kiya thha?
Did Yousaf Ali appointed you as his Khalifa?
3. Kya aap ne Yusuf Ali ki saza ke khilaf siyasatdanon aur ulema se rabtay naheen kiye aur us ka case adalat mein naheen lara?
Did you not contacted politicians and Ulema to contest Yousaf Ali’s sentence in the court and didn’t you fight his case in the court?
4. Aap Yusuf Ali ki taleemat se kab taeb huay?
When did you turned back from the teachings of Yousaf Ali?
5. Kya aap iqrar karte hain ke Yusuf Ali kazzab fasiq thha aur usay Lahore High Court ne saza-e-maut ka jo faisla sunaya thha wuh durust thha?
Do you testify that Yousaf Ali Kazzab was a Fasiq and the Lahore High Court decision in his case was right?
Zaid himself seems a CIA agent.He talks that Taliban movement in afghanistan is doing the real jihad and the taliban here in pakistan are zionist agents and we should kill them,he supports the pakistan army ultimately for what it is doing in tribal areas,which is also the american policy.
Secondly if Talaban have to fight in Afghanistan they have to back themselves up in Pakistan.To say Pakistani Talaban are wrong and afghani talaban are right is an illogical argument.
Lastly he talks about CIA policy and zionists,and tells u of a threat to muslim world,but at the end he tells not to worry every thing is under controll,so u have to do nothing and continue sleeping like pakistanis have always done.
The latest CIA policy is to show openly what they are doing in media so it looks like some sort of fiction that cannot effect u.I used to watch a drama called prisonbreak which shows how CIA does its terrorism and How US presidents are controlled,But i was astonished to see it appeared on Fox tv network which is strong supporter of American Goverment.
@nota
My being an employee of BrassTacks is another one their half baked theories. Another indication of the generous use of conjecture by those trying to discredit zaid sahib.
I am only a friend and former neighbour of zaid sahib. I am not an “employee” of the BrassTacks company that zaid hamid runs. Back when he started his company he requested me to get him a domain name for him which I did. Even in the domain registration thing they posted on the web it is clearly written underneath it that I work for American ebusiness solutions.
Now I volunteer free of charge for the new BrassTacks website, just like scores of other people are working for BrassTacks all around the world. I never got nor get any salary and am not an employee.
Now if you think I was hiding my close relationship with zaid sahib to give what I wrote an objective look, that is completely false, as on the contrary, I was clearly building my whole thesis on the fact that I know him very well and for very long!!
I just wish you guys do justice to a person of his sincerity.
@arif
Another pathetic lie against zaid sahib that he “buys” time on tv1 one. He does not. It is tvones own presentation.
And yet another proof of your own cheap mentality that you are calling other Muslim women as “hot chics” just because they appear on tv without full pardah. Does shariat give you the right to call women not observing pardah by such derogatory and sexist terms as hot chics?
Alhamdolillah that Allah is himself revealing the true character of people who are trying to oppose zaid sahib.
@ Asif Shiraz,
why does Zaid Zaman & Co always skip the real questions asked. When Zaid Zaman uses muslim women as a marketing tool to sell his ideas so I can also raise questions about it. At Least the women model should have full satar (dupata on Head) when asking Islamic question from fake pir Zaid Zaman.
I know several people who have 100 times more knowledge (Zakir Naik and Dr. Israr Ahmed are few example) then ISI agent Zaid Zaman, please let them also speak free on TV1.
Insha Allah, Allah shall reveal the actual face of ZZ very soon.
If I am a lair then “curse on me from Allah”
but If Zaid Zaman is a lair then curse on Him.
“@Asif Shiraz
Another pathetic lie against zaid sahib that he “buys” time on tv1 one. He does not. It is tvones own presentation.”
Do you have proof that its TV1 own presentation? I have just contacted my friends who is Producer in TV1 and he confirmed that its not TV1’s presentation. And an Info is that Tahir A Khan has made his mind to close this show but he is unable to do it due to the pressure from ISI.
And good news for anti ZH, the wife of one of his “SAHABI” has become “Taib” and is going to speak in press conference in Islamabad to expose the dirt of ZH and his Firqa-e-Batania. Fortunately she has recorded some tapes of the meeting of this cult running by ZH now and previously by yousaf Kazzab…………… just hold on and wait…..
Welcone Zahid Hamid Bhai
You Are The Assest Of Pakistan No Doubt.God Always Bless You
Love You Takecare
\Regards
i used to see people out on roads, recording their protest and i used to think i can never do that no matter what and for the very first time in my life someone has influenced me to the extent that i have never experienced before. the logic, the rational and links are absolutely spot on. This information and thought process would change us.
Looks like this gang of idiots led by nota has nothing better to do than sit in front of the computer and write BS about someone who is sincere to this country and wants to see it as a leader of the Islamic world. Bafoons like nota (who’s not even courageos enough to use his real name) and other peanut brains here will not do ANYTHING for the improvement of Pakistan, but will hurl mud at people like Zaid Hamid b/c he’s trying to infrom and educate the youth of our nation.
Unless you have concrete evidence, and I repeat, SOLID AND CONCRETE PROOF, against Mr.Hamid, shut up and get a life. You guys didn’t do anything when ISI was screwing up the country so what gives you the right to accuse someone who is acyually revealing a lot of secrets which would make ISI uncomfortable?
And all the brothers and sisters who are here defending Zaid Hamid; your efforts are appreciated but it seems that these ‘jaahileen’ will not stop barking and keep repeating the same questions that have been answered already by Zaid. So let us stop wasting out precious time with these retards and do what we NEED to do for our country without being distracted by these useless arguuments. may ALLAH Guide us all. AAMEEN.
@Jawed Iqbal
“Looks like this gang of idiots led by nota has nothing better to do than sit in front of the computer and write BS about someone who is sincere to this country and wants to see it as a leader of the Islamic world”
The Idiots will soon prove who is idiot and who on the right path. You wouldn’t show your identity and that will save you but the Imama-e-Zamana of Kazzab, Zaid Hamid will soon be tried in the court.
Be Prepare the Idiots are going to finish the story for ever.
i have watched quite afew programms of Zaid Hamid.HE IS CONVINCING AND HIGHLY LOGICAL IN HIS TALKS.His appreciation of economic problems are highly correct.We need to study this Jewish trap and take appropriate actions at the level of all muslim countries.Mush and his cronies are jewish planted charectors.
one thing always bother me,infact is the reason why we are at the brink of destruction, that we don,t have criteria for leadership.It seems that any magniloquent exploiter can be our leader.We are the nation where politcial affiliation is even stronger than religious belief.
we don,t think.
we don,t ask.
we don,t go in the details
we don,t analyse
we only blindly follow.
@naseem hijazi
Please read this:
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/the-plan-to-topple-pakistan-military/
@KhanLala
Zaid Haimd knows how to defend himself and we all know how to support him! Are you not getting it by the above comments? Cant you read the writings on the wall? You dont have the balls to do anything. Trust me, you are getting yourself into deepest shit here. May be you think by using screen names no one can trace you.. we can get to you and your team via Awaab Alvi because he is not untraceable and you are just creating serious trouble for him! The only problem with you guys is that you people think you are the smartest and others are dumb… believe me you are DEAD wrong!
BTW we have been waiting for THE 5 DAYS.. can you tell us how how long those 5 days will take .. ha ha ha :)
To Fasi Zaka, please control your wait man, you are going to explode one day or die by heart attack or may be your brain is too fat to think positive or do anything good for this country besides criticism and making fun of others.. but see yourself in mirror today.. you are yourself is a joke!..
Cheers :)
one thing which always bother me,infact is the reason why we are at the brinks of elimination,is our criteria for leadership.we live in a country where simple logic is not applicable to our political and relegious affiliation and not affected by plain and obvious facts.
Are we the human being created by ALLAH(swt) or are we bipeds ever ready to follow any magniloquent exploiter?
Is it very difficult to think?
Is it very difficult to analyse?
Is it very difficult to ask some one about his
credentials?
@Lalajan
Yara Khucha Lalajana you are threatening us? Let laugh hahaha. You don’t need to trace us. We are here. Just ask your ZZH he knows us all very well, although that liar pretends that he doesn’t. Two years back he was begging to abid sb for promoting himself, now he says I don’t know who is this abid ullah Jan. (See the email exchange between the two http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6224)
We know you have ISI and their partner CIA at your back but you know what, we have Allah (SWT) at our back. You can’t harm us and we are not going to harm you if we trace but through logic and legal proceedings only. We don’t have gangs, guns and bombs like your cult but surely the Nusrat of Allah (SWT)
And Yeah! I have extended the days don’t count these any more (for some reasons) but you wouldn’t have to wait for long……….Yara Khucha Lalajana pls come back to the real path and say astagfar why are you making home in the HELL for you. Alaka Da darughjan ZH ba darla Dunia aur Akheerat Dwanra Tabah Ki.
@ LALAJAN
Are you threating the people who know Zaid Zaman bloody past very well and are willing to testify in any court of Law against him.
I agree with Dr. Jawwadkhan that we do think about persons past and start following blindly to any one, thats why Pakistani is going towards destruction.
If George W Bush starts coming on TV1 and narrates the same story which Zaid is telling . will you believe him ??? and start following blindly OR you would think that Bush Past records says that he cannot be trusted.
Likewise Every one has forgotten Zardari Past
Guys don’t fight on a personality, why don’t all of u guys simply reseach what he is saying and explore it urself. we guys are actually going down becuase weplay games of personalities.
If he is wrong why waste time on watching his program but don’t listen to any one just explore what he is saying.
All agree that we have to save Pakistan, he says the same.
All agree that interest based banking is not allowed in Islam, this is what he says.
All knows abut the plans of USA/India/Israel abut Pakistan, he only expose that in effective manner.
So where is the CONFLICT…….
@ Teeth
Not buying what you have to sell, and wouldn’t be surprised if you find many who trust you but you all are described by the Quranic verse: “Sommonn bokkmonn hommyonn faa homm laa yarjihoon”
and Agree with Raza.
There are some questions always bothered me, if some one have the answers
please share with us:
1, Why Iftikhar Chaudry only raised Steel Mill privatization issue? Why not
other privatizations? What were his and his team’s stakes in that deal?
2, In his whole career, what he has done to facilitate justice to poor
people of Pakistan? Did he do anything for the lower courts when he was
Chief Justice? Why he did not change the system when he had the authority?
Do you know to how many people he gave justice in his whole career?
3, Why he is not responding to the accusations against him mentioned in the
reference? The reference was filed by the Pak President of that time to the
Supreme Judicial council – that was the constitutionally right and the
correct step. Why did Supreme Court illegally interfered in the matter of
Supreme Judicial Council and hijacked the reference? Where is the judgment?
4, Why particularly he involved himself in missing person case? do you know
who are these missing persons? If the way it was described by the media and
other sources to the common man, then many of us should be missing.. why
only few people were kidnapped for money.. why not more and more.. do anyone
of you personally know any one of the missing person?
5, Why Iftikhar Chaudry demoralized Pakistan’s premier agencies and insulted
them? Why a proper campaign launched against ISI after this event? Why so
much hatred for Pak Military and other intelligence agencies being spread
under missing person campaign? Where are proves? Do you have any prove/evidence that
Afia Siddque was handed over to US by Pak forces? (Please don’t refer us to
blogs – we need to see real thing)
6, Most important question: Who is financially supporting Lawyer’s movement?
How come they are so organized with so much funds available? Why media gave
him So much coverage? Do you think they were doing that without any benefit?
Think again.! Only Geo Tv claims 100,000 PKR per min air time.. how they have broadcasted 30-40 hours long lawyers’ live telecasts without any monetary benefit? Who financed this huge organized movement to derail Pakistan?
7, If Iftikhar Chaudry is so patriotic Pakistani then why he does not care about the innocent people currently crying and waiting in Jails for their proceedings and justice? Why Iftikhar Chaudry just need his restoration back? Why is he so hungry for power? What is his agenda?
8, Do you think if Iftikhar Chaudry is resorted, the clashes between institutions specially intelligence agencies wont happen? Can someone please
study the behavior of these so called lawyers? Do you think they can save Pakistan or destroy it completely?
9, Do you think if Iftikhar Chaudry is restored he can remain impartial and
unbiased? How about the political parties supporting him? How about the
lawyers supporting him? Do you think this for Pakistan?
10, Since this movement has started, Pakistan became a joke to international community. Since March 2007, Pakistan is going down… everything has been ruined. Why Iftikhar Chaudry cant see this? Why he has taken Pakistan so far
that there is no way going back?
Kui Batlao Keh Hum Batlaye Kia (unicode Version) By Dr Fayaz Aalam
http://www.jasarat.com/unicode/detail.php?category=8&coluid=73
Yousaf Kazzab aur Zaid Hamid Kai Shikar (unicode Version) By Abu Saad
http://www.jasarat.com/unicode/detail.php?category=8&coluid=77
Pls see the Graphic Version of Both Articles here:
http://www.jasarat.com/graphic/details.php?category=columns&date=24-10-2008
کوئی بتلاﺅ کہ ہم بتلائیں کیا!
ڈاکٹر فیاض عالم
لال مسجد اور جامعہ حفصہ پر پرویزی حکومت کے دور میں کیے گئے خونیں آپریشن کے بعد امیر جماعت اسلامی محترم قاضی حسین احمد نے ایک فیکٹ فائنڈنگ کمیشن قائم کیا۔ یہ محض انکوائری کمیشن نہیں تھا بلکہ اس کے دائرہ¿ کار میں لواحقین کے ساتھ معاونت، لاپتا طلباءو طالبات کے بارے میں معلومات کا حصول، جیلوں میں بند افراد کی قانونی معاونت، سپریم کورٹ میں قانونی چارہ جوئی، جامعہ حفصہ و لال مسجد کے طلباءو طالبات سے رابطہ، اسلحہ ماہرین سے تکنیکی رپورٹس کا حصول، میڈیا سے زیادہ سے زیادہ حوالے جمع کرنا اور دلائل، شواہد اور ثبوت مہیا و مرتب کرنا جیسے مشکل ٹاسک بھی شامل تھے۔ فیکٹ فائنڈنگ کمیشن کے کنوینر ڈاکٹر فرید احمد پراچہ تھے جبکہ اس کے اراکین میں درج ذیل اراکین پارلیمنٹ شامل تھے: اسد اللہ بھٹو، مولانا عبدالمالک، مولانا شاہ عبدالعزیز، مولانا رحمت اللہ خلیل، میاں محمد اسلم، سید بختیار معانی، پرویز مسیح، کنیزعائشہ منور، سمیحہ راحیل قاضی اور بلقیس سیف۔ کمیشن نے اپنی ذمہ داری کو احسن طریقے سے نبھانے اور حقائق تک پہنچنے کے لیے مزید افراد کی خدمات حاصل کیں اور کئی ذیلی کمیٹیاں تشکیل دیں۔ ان کمیٹیوں میں محترم قاضی حسین احمد کی اہلیہ، سید بلال، رضیہ عزیز، اخلاص فاطمہ اور شاہد شمسی جیسے معتبر لوگ شامل تھے۔ قانونی و عدالتی امور کےے لیے ماہرینِ قانون توفیق آصف ایڈووکیٹ‘ شوکت عزیز صدیقی ایڈووکیٹ و دیگر وکلاءپر مشتمل کمیٹی بنائی گئی۔ فیکٹ فائنڈنگ کمیشن کے اراکین نے کئی ہفتوں کی شب و روز محنت کے بعد اپنی رپورٹ مرتب کی اور اسے نہ صرف قاضی صاحب اور متحدہ مجلس عمل کے دیگر ذمہ داران کو پیش کیا بلکہ سپریم کورٹ میں بھی اس رپورٹ کو بطور ثبوت پیش کیا گیا۔ رپورٹ ضمیمہ جات کے ساتھ کئی سو صفحات پر مشتمل تھی۔ لہٰذا کسی ایک کالم یا کئی کالموں میں بھی اس کے مندرجات کا تفصیلی احاطہ ممکن نہیں۔ چند ماہ قبل جماعت اسلامی نے اس رپورٹ کا خلاصہ عوام کے ملاحظے کے لیے کتابچے کی صورت میں شائع کیا ہے جس کو ”سانحہ لال مسجد و جامعہ حفصہ۔ قرطاس ابیض“ کا عنوان دیا گیا ہے۔ ملاحظہ فرمائیے اس کتابچے سے چند اقتباسات‘ تاکہ آپ کو اندازہ ہوسکے کہ لال مسجد اور جامعہ حفصہ میں اس خونیں آپریشن کے دوران درحقیقت کیا ہوا۔ ٭جامعہ حفصہ کی پرنسپل اور لال مسجد کے خطیب مولانا عبدالعزیز کی اہلیہ ماجدہ یونس (اُم حسان) نے سملی ڈیم ریسٹ ہاﺅس میں دئیے گئے اپنے حلفی بیان میں بتایا کہ: ” میرے اندازے کے مطابق میں مورخہ 9جولائی 2007ءکو تقریباً 1بجے دن جامعہ سے باہر آئی ہوں۔ اُس وقت جامعہ میں تقریباً 450طالبات موجود تھیں۔ اس تعداد میں بہت ساری لاوارث بچیاں بھی تھیں جو کبھی گھروں کو نہیں جاتی تھیں۔ ان میں سے اکثر بچیاں زلزلہ زدگان سے متعلق خاندانوں سے تھیں۔ ٭یہ ایک بالکل مستند بات ہے کہ جامعہ میں داخل طلباءو طالبات کے نام اور کوائف وفاق المدارس کے پاس موجود ہیں۔ ٭اگر ہم جنرل پرویزمشرف کے ہی بتائے ہوئے اعداد و شمار کے مطابق 5,000کی تعداد اور ان میں سے 3300کو بچالینے کے دعوے کو بھی بنیاد بنائیں تو سوال پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ 1700طلباءو طالبات کہاں گئے؟ ٭میڈیا کو 10جولائی کے بجائے 13جولائی کو لال مسجد اور جامعہ حفصہ میں کیوں لے جایا گیا؟ ٭میڈیا پر ہسپتالوں اور قبرستانوں کے دروازے کیوں بند کیے گئے؟ ٭عبدالستار ایدھی کے بیان کے مطابق ان سے 800کفن اور300چادریں کیوں مانگی گئیں؟ ٭گائیڈڈ ٹور کے دوران صحافیوں کو مرکزی ہال میں کیوں نہیں لے جایا گیا؟ حالانکہ وہاں سے خون اور بارود کی بو آرہی تھی۔ ٭لاشوں کے چیتھڑے بوریوں میں بھرے گئے۔ ان بوریوں کو قیدیوں والی بسوں اور ٹرکوں میں بھر کے سہالہ پولیس سینٹر میں لے جایاگیا اور فائرنگ رینج جو گیٹ نمبر3کے اندرونی طرف ہے، وہاں یہ لاشیں اور بوریاں دفن کی گئیں۔ ٭ایچ الیون قبرستان میں دفن کیے جانے والے تابوتوں میں دو دو لاشوں کی موجودگی کو میڈیا کے افراد نے خود دیکھا۔ ٭مولانا عبدالرشید غازی شہید میڈیا کے سامنے خود بھی 14کلاشنکوفوں کی موجودگی کا اعتراف کرتے رہے۔ یہی کلاشنکوفیں متعدد مرتبہ طلباءکے ہاتھوں میں دیکھی گئیں۔ ہم نے تحقیقات کے دوران متعدد طلباءو طالبات سے کئی انداز سے سوالات کیے لیکن کسی بھی طرح مذکورہ بالا کلاشنکوفوں کے علاوہ کسی دیگر اسلحے کی موجودگی کی تصدیق نہیں ہوسکی۔ ٭جس اسلحے کی 14جولائی 2007ءکو میڈیا کے سامنے نمائش کی گئی، جب ہم نے اس کے تجزیے کے لیے اسلحہ ماہرین سے رجوع کیا جن میں ریٹائرڈ جرنیل حضرات بھی شامل تھے، تو ان کے اٹھائے ہوئے نکات درج ذیل تھے: i۔اس اسلحے میں ٹینک شکن ہتھیار بھی شامل تھے۔ حالانکہ مسجد کے اندر ٹینکوں کے داخل ہونے کا امکان صفر فیصد بھی نہیں تھا۔ اس لیے ٹینک شکن ہتھیاروں کو سجانے سے بھی واضح ہوجاتا ہے کہ یہ اسلحہ لال مسجد والوں کا نہیں بلکہ کسی آرمی ڈپو سے لاکر سجایا گیا ہے۔ ii۔کچھ ہتھیار اس طرح سے پالش شدہ تھے کہ وہ بھی کسی محفوظ مال خانے سے لائے گئے معلوم ہوتے ہیں۔ میدانِ جنگ سے اٹھایا گیا اسلحہ اس طرح سے چمکتا دمکتا نہیں ہے۔ iii۔اتنی زبردست فائرنگ اور آتش زدگی میں بھی صحافیوں کو دکھانے کے لیے پٹرول بم بچ گئے۔ جھوٹ بولنے کے لیے بھی عقل چاہیے۔ iv۔اسنائپر رائفلوں اور لائٹ مشین گنوں سے نیچی پرواز کے حامل بغیر پائلٹ کے جاسوسی طیارے کو گرایا جاسکتا ہے۔ طلباءنے انہیں گرانے کی کوشش کیوں نہیں کی؟ یہ سوالات (میں نے صرف چند سوالات لکھے ہیں) اس گمان کو یقین میں بدل دیتے ہیں کہ میڈیا کے سامنے دکھایا جانے والا اسلحہ خود سیکورٹی فورسز کی طرف سے آپریشن ختم ہونے کے بعد مدرسہ اور مسجد میں منتقل کیا گیا۔ ٭بڑے پیمانے پر یہ بات پھیلائی گئی کہ جنگجوﺅں نے طالبات اور بچوں کو یرغمال بناکر رکھا ہے۔ ہماری ملاقاتیں آخری دن تک باہر آنے والی طالبات سے بھی ہوئیں۔ کوئی ایک بھی شہادت نہیں ملی کہ کسی نے ان کو زبردستی روک رکھا تھا۔ یہ سب طلباءو طالبات بلکہ ان کے والدین بالخصوص مائیں جذبہ¿ جہاد اور شوقِ شہادت سے سرشار تھے۔ ٭بتایا گیا کہ اندر جنگجو اور خطرناک دہشت گرد موجود ہیں جو بڑے تربیت یافتہ ہیں‘ لیکن بعد میں شہید اور زخمی ہونے والوں میں کوئی ایک بھی تربیت یافتہ دہشت گرد نہیں نکلا۔ یہ سب تو جامعہ کے ہی طلباءو طالبات تھے۔ ٭کہا گیا کہ اندر خودکش حملہ آور موجود ہیں اور چودہ خودکش حملہ آوروں کو بیلٹ تقسیم کردی گئی ہیں۔ بالآخر ثابت ہوا کہ اندر کوئی خودکش حملہ آور موجود نہیں تھا اور نہ ہی حکومت میڈیا کو کوئی بیلٹ دکھا سکی۔ یہ داستان بھی مخصوص مقاصد کے تحت پھیلائی گئی۔ ٭لیگل ایڈ کمیٹی نے یہ بھی نوٹ کیا کہ گرفتار شدگان میں سے زخمیوں کو بازوﺅں کے نیچے اور ٹانگوں پر سامنے سے گولیاں لگی ہیں۔ گویا کہ جب یہ طلباءدونوں ہاتھ اوپر اٹھائے ہوئے باہر نکل رہے تھے تو ان کو شیردل جوانوں نے انتہائی بے رحمی سے گولیاں ماریں۔ ٭یہ حقیقت ہے کہ عبدالرشید غازی شہید نے بے مثال اور لازوال قربانی دی۔ جس دھج سے وہ مقتل میں گئے وہ شان ہمیشہ سلامت رہے گی۔ انہوں نے جن اعلیٰ مقاصد کے لیے آواز بلند کی وہ بھی ہمیشہ زندہ و تابندہ رہیں گے۔ سانحہ لال مسجد و جامعہ حفصہ سے متعلق جماعت اسلامی کے اعلیٰ سطحی کمیشن کی رپورٹ کے اقتباسات آپ نے ملاحظہ فرمائے۔ اب اس سانحے سے متعلق اس عظیم مرد ِ مومن کی رپورٹ کے مندرجات کے کچھ حصوں کا ترجمہ ملاحظہ فرمائیے جنہوں نے آج کل خواتین و حضرات کو اپنی گفتگو اور بے لاگ تجزیوں سے مسحور کررکھا ہے۔ جن کے مشن کو بعض لوگ جماعت اسلامی کا مشن قرار دیتے ہیں اور جن کے بارے میں بعض معصوم ترین لوگوں کا خیال ہے کہ اللہ تعالیٰ ان سے کام لے رہا ہے۔ درحقیقت ان سے کون، کیا کام لے رہا ہے، میرے خیال میں درج ذیل اقتباسات پڑھ کر آپ کو اچھی طرح اندازہ ہوجائے گا: سانحہ لال مسجد کے بعد براس ٹیک نے زید حامد کی انگریزی میں مرتب کردہ رپورٹ What Really Happened کے عنوان سے جاری کی۔ رپورٹ کے آغاز میں انہوں نے اپنی 8جولائی کی تحریر کا حوالہ دیتے ہوئے لکھا ہے کہ : ”(لال مسجد کے معاملے میں) حکومت کی ناموری، ستائش اور تذلیل کے درمیان ایک پاگل مولوی (Psychopath Cleric) اور دہشت گردوں کا ایک گروپ کھڑا ہے جس نے لوگوں کو پاکستانی دارالحکومت کے قلب میں یرغمال بنایا ہوا ہے۔“ (رپورٹ اس طرح کے زہریلے الفاظ اور تجزیوں سے پُر ہے)۔ ٭اگلے صفحات میں موصوف فرماتے ہیں کہ: ”یہ گروپ (لال مسجد کے علماءاور طلباءو طالبات) منکرِ دین، بے وفا، فراری، اوباش (Renegade) جنگجوﺅں کا گروپ ہے جو ’تکفیری‘ کہلاتے ہیں۔ یہ ان مسلمانوں پر جنگ مسلط کردیتے ہیں جو ان کے نظریات سے اتفاق نہیں کرتے۔ یہ نظریاتی طور پر حکومت دشمن، بدنظمی پسند، انتشاری اور شورش طلب (Anarchist) اور معروف جہادی گروپس کے درمیان بے خانماں اور خارجی (Outcastes)لوگ ہیں۔ ٭میرے خیال میں (سانحہ میں) ہلاک و زخمی ہونے والوں کی کل تعداد 200سے 250 ہوسکتی ہے بشمول 75جنگجوﺅں کے۔ اس تعداد کو حکومت نے بھی تسلیم کیا ہے۔ ملا دباﺅ بڑھا رہے ہیں یہ منوانے کے لیے کہ اندر 1000لوگ تھے۔ یہ بے معنی اور فضول بات ہے۔ جیسا کہ ان کے مرحوم لیڈر کہتے رہے کہ اندر 1800لوگ ہیں، یہ Bluffتھا۔ ٭جی ہاں۔میڈیا کو جو ہتھیار دکھائے گئے، ان کا تعلق ان جنگجوﺅں سے تھا، اور ان عمارتوں میں اسلحے کا بہت بڑا ذخیرہ موجود تھا جن میں مشین گنیں، راکٹ لانچرز، بارودی سرنگیں، ہینڈ گرنیڈز، گیس ماسک، مولوٹوو کوک ٹیلز اور خودکش حملے کی جیکٹس شامل تھیں۔ ہمیں کوئی شبہ نہیں کہ اس معاملے میں حکومتی مو¿قف بالکل درست ہے۔ لال مسجد ایک عارضی اسلحہ خانہ (Weapons Dump) تھی اور بلاشبہ ایک طویل جنگ اور مسلح بغاوت (Armed Rebellion) کے لیے تیار مقام۔ ٭باوجود اس کے، کہ مولوی مُصر ہیں کہ مدرسے میں 1000سے زائد ہلاکتیں ہوئیں، ہمارے پاس اس بات کو تسلیم کرنے کی کوئی وجہ نہیں۔ یہ محض بڑے پیمانے پر پھیلائی جانے والی ڈس انفارمیشن ہے۔ کوئی ایک، جی ہاں کوئی ایک بھی کسی ثبوت کے ساتھ آگے نہیں آیا جس میں مدرسے میں داخل طلباءو طالبات کے نام، رول نمبر اور پتے درج ہوں۔اور نہ ہی کوئی حاضری رجسٹر پیش کیا گیا جس سے پتا چل سکے کہ مدرسے میں داخل طلباءو طالبات کی اصل تعداد کیا تھی۔ ٭ہمارے اپنے ذرائع سے حاصل کردہ مفصل شہادتیں موجود ہیں جن سے پتا چلتا ہے کہ آپریشن کے دوران صرف چند سویلین (خواتین اور بچوں) کی ہلاکتیں ہوئیں۔ شاید صرف چند درجن۔ اس تعداد کو حکومت نے بھی اب تسلیم کرلیا ہے۔ مجھ میں حوصلہ نہیں کہ اس رپورٹ سے مزید اقتباسات آپ کی خدمت میں پیش کرسکوں۔ آخری حصے میں موصوف سیاسی رہنماﺅں کے بارے میں رقمطراز ہیں کہ ہماری حزب اختلاف پریشان اور گھبرائے ہوئے مسخروں کا گروپ ہے۔ The opposition is still a confused bunch of comedians. Their APC in London only blew hot air. یاد رہے کہ لندن میں منعقد ہونے والی آل پارٹیز کانفرنس میں محترم قاضی حسین احمد اور لیاقت بلوچ صاحبان بھی شریک تھے۔جنرل (ریٹائرڈ) پرویز مشرف کے حکم پر کیا جانے والا لال مسجد آپریشن پاکستان کی تاریخ کے اہم ترین سانحات میں سے ایک تھا۔ شہید ہونے والے طلباءو طالبات اور ان کے اہلِ خاندان و پاکستان کے عوام اسے تادیر نہیں بھلا پائیں گے۔ بعض لوگ ملک میں ہونے والے خودکش حملوں کے پیچھے بھی سانحہ لال مسجد کے ردِعمل کو محسوس کرتے ہیں۔ اس سانحے کے حوالے سے جماعت اسلامی کے اعلیٰ سطحی کمیشن کی رپورٹ اور زید حامد کی رپورٹ ایک دوسرے کی ضد ہیں۔ اس کا مطلب یہ ہے کہ ان میں سے ایک رپورٹ دروغ گوئی کا شاہکار ہے اور مخصوص ایجنڈے کے تحت جاری کی گئی ہے۔ یہ رپورٹ کون سی ہے، اس کا فیصلہ کرنا مشکل نہیں ہے۔ کون کس کے ایجنڈے پر ہے، یہ سمجھنا بھی بہت آسان ہے۔ اس کے باوجود کچھ لوگ: پوچھتے ہیں زید حامد کون ہے ”کوئی بتلاﺅ کہ ہم بتلائیں کیا!“
@arif and lala etc.
DVDs of BrassTacks are available in the market and it is written big and bold on them: TV1 presentation. It is a downright lie to say program time is privately purchased.
As far as your other comment is concerned, we agree: Allah’s curse be on us if we lie, we are that much sure of Zaid sahib’s faith and innocence. As for you, notwithstanding your false claims against zaid sahib, I would rather invoke Allah’s forgiveness for you than curse. May we all be guided to be able to stand together in this critical juncture of our history, be able to unitedly serve this country inspire of our misunderstandings and differences.
یوسف کذاب اور زید حامد کے شکار
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جسارت کے ان صفحات پر ڈاکٹر فیاض عالم کے زید (زمان) حامد سے متعلق مضامین چھپے جن پر کچھ قارئین کا بہت سخت ردعمل آیا۔ جن دنوں یہ مضامین چھپے‘ ہمیں بھی دستیاب معلومات کی بنیاد پرکچھ لکھنے کا خیال آیا۔ لیکن زید حامد کے متاثرین کا، جن میں اکثریت خواتین کی ہے، سخت ردعمل دیکھتے ہوئے ارادہ ترک کردیا اور اس مسئلے پر تحقیق شروع کردی۔ ”یوٹیوب“ پر ان کے پروگرام بھی دیکھے اور مختلف ناموں سے چھپنے والے ان کے مضامین اور تجزیاتی رپورٹوں کا مطالعہ شروع کیا۔ زید حامد جو کچھ کہتے ہیں اس سے کلی طور پر اتفاق ممکن نہیں۔ تاہم ان کے ماضی اور اس کے صحیح ہونے پر اصرار کو دیکھتے ہوئے ان کی صحیح باتیں بھی تحقیق کی متقاضی ہیں۔ زید حامد کے خیالات سے متاثر جسارت کی ایک قاری کا استدلال ہے کہ ہمیں یہ نہیں دیکھنا چاہیے کہ ”کون کہہ رہا ہے بلکہ یہ دیکھنا چاہیے کہ کیا کہہ رہا ہے“۔ یہ کلیہ غلط ہے‘ اگر غلط نہ ہوتا تو جب کفارِ مکہ نے یارِ غار سیدنا ابوبکر صدیق ؓ سے کہا کہ آپؓ کے دوست محمد(صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) کہہ رہے ہےں کہ وہ رات کے ایک حصے میں مسجد حرام سے مسجداقصیٰ اور وہاں سے آسمانوں کی سیر کرکے آئے ہیں؟ ابوبکر صدیق ؓ نے بغیر کسی تامل کے یہ کیوں کہہ دیا کہ محمدصلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کہہ رہے ہیں تو سچ کہہ رہے ہیں۔ اس گواہی پر سیدنا ابوبکر ؓکو قرآن نے صدیق کا لقب دیا۔ کیا اتنی بڑی گواہی دینے سے قبل ابوبکر ؓ نے اس دعوے کو عقل کی بنیاد پر پرکھا؟ یا یہ دےکھ کر گواہی دی کہ کون کہہ رہا ہے؟ خود اللہ نے اُس وقت تک کسی نبی پر نبوت کی ذمہ داری نہیں ڈالی جب تک اس کے اخلاق اور کردار کی گواہی اُس زمانے کے لوگوں نے نہیں دی۔ اور نبوت کے اعلان سے قبل نبی پاک صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے اہلِ مکہ کے سامنے جو سوال رکھا وہ بھی ہم سب کو یاد ہے۔ تو پھر ہم کس طرح سے کہہ سکتے ہیں کہ یہ نہ دیکھو کہ کون کہہ رہا ہے؟ ٹی وی ون کے ”مرد ِمومن“ کے یوسف کذاب ملعون کے ساتھ تعلق کے ناقابلِ تردید شواہد موجود ہےں۔ فی الوقت اس کالم کے ذریعے آپ کو یوسف کذاب، زید حامد اور ان کے فرقہ¿ باطنیہ کے دو نواجون تائبین سے ملواتے ہیں جنہوں نے برسوں اس فرقے کے لیے کام کیا لیکن اللہ تعالیٰ نے ان پر خاص کرم کیا اور ان کو ہدایت نصیب ہوئی۔ یوسف کذاب کے مقرب خاص اور زید حامد کے دوست رضوان طیب کے بھائی منصور طیب کہتے ہیں: ”میں زید حامد کو اُس وقت سے جانتا ہوں جب اس کا یوسف علی سے تعلق نہیں بنا تھا۔ زید 1988ءکے انتخابات میں بہت سرگرم تھا۔ 1989ءمیں اس نے ایک تصویری نمائش کا اہتمام کیا اور اس کے لیے ایک وڈیو فلم بھی تیار کی تھی۔ اس نمائش کا اہتمام علاقہ سوسائٹی میں مختلف مقامات پر کیا گیا۔ اُس زمانے میں یہ مختلف جہادی رہنماﺅں کے ترجمان کی صورت میں بھی نظر آیا۔ اس کی شخصیت سے ہم بہت زیادہ متاثر تھے۔ یہ اپنے آپ کو بہت بڑا جہادی رہنما سمجھتا تھا۔ اُس زمانے میں اس نے افغان جہاد کے حوالے سے ایک وڈیو فلم ”قصص الجہاد“ بھی تیار کی۔ پھر 1993ءمیں جہادِ افغانستان ختم ہوگیا۔ یہ وہ دور تھا جب اس نے تمام مجاہد رہنماﺅں کو گالیاں دینی شروع کردیں۔ 1993-94ءمیں یہ لاہور سے اپنے ساتھ یوسف کذاب کو لے آیااور اس کو علاقہ سوسائٹی کے تحریکی ساتھیوں سے متعارف کرایا اور کہا کہ یہ ایک بزرگ ہے جو صرف ذکر کی بات کرتا ہے۔ اگر کوئی سوا لاکھ دفعہ ورد کرے گا تو اس کو نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کا دیدار نصیب ہوجائے گا۔ میرے بڑے بھائی رضوان طیب‘ یوسف علی کے خاص مقربین میں شامل ہوگئے تھے اس وجہ سے یوسف علی اور زید زمان میرے گھر آتے تھے۔ زید زمان جس کا پہلے سے ہمارے گھر آنا جانا تھا‘ یوسف کذاب کو ہمارے گھر لے آیا تھا۔ اُس زمانے میں علاقہ سوسائٹی کے جمعیت اور جماعت سے متاثر اور متعلق تین درجن سے زائد افراد اس سے متاثر ہوئے۔ میرے بھائی تو اس حد تک متاثر تھے کہ انہوں نے ہماری دکان کا ایک حصہ بیچا اور یوسف کذاب کو ایک گاڑی خرید کر دی اور لاکھوں روپے نقد دیئے۔ زید حامد یوسف کذاب کا مقرب اوّل تھا اس لیے پیسوں کی وصولی وہ کرتا تھا۔ میں دعوے سے کہہ سکتا ہوں کہ زید زمان نے خود اپنی جیب سے ایک ہزار روپے بھی نہیں دیئے ہوں گے۔ یوسف کذاب کو جو رقم دی جاتی تھی اس کو مختلف وقتوں اور مواقع کے حساب سے کبھی تحفے کا نام دیا جاتا تھا اور کبھی نذر و نیاز کا۔ زید حامد نے مجھے یوسف کذاب کے نظریات پر مبنی پمفلٹ دیے اور مختلف مساجد کے باہر تقسیم کرنے کو کہا۔ ہمارا پورا گھرانا اس چکر میں پڑگیا تھا لیکن میرے بڑے بھائی رضوان طیب کے سوا سب یوسف کذاب اور زید زمان کے شر سے محفوظ رہے۔ میرا مولانا مودودیؒ کے لٹریچر کا اچھا خاصا مطالعہ تھا۔ یہ مطالعہ شاید اس فتنے سے بچنے کے لیے اللہ تعالیٰ نے مجھ سے کروایا تھا۔ مجھ سے کبھی بھی زید زمان اور یوسف کذاب کی باتیں اور اس کی شخصیت ہضم نہیں ہوئی۔ ایک دفعہ کسی کے گھر پر نمازکی امامت کرتے ہوئے یوسف کذاب کی کال آئی۔ وہ نماز چھوڑ کرکافی دیر تک موبائل پر باتیں کرتا رہا، سب نمازی ہاتھ باندھ کر اس کا انتظار کرتے رہے‘ جب اس نے سکون سے بات مکمل کرلی تب آیا اور باقی نماز مکمل کی۔ اس کی جماعت میں خواتین اور حضرات ایک ہی صف میں کھڑے ہوتے تھے۔ یہ اپنی طرز کی مخلوط نمازیں ہوتی تھیں۔ میرے بھائی کو بھی بالآخر اس بات کا احساس ہوگیا کہ یہ سب کچھ غلط تھا۔ سوچ سوچ اُن کی دماغی حالت خراب ہوگئی۔ آج بھی وہ زید زمان اور یوسف کذاب کو گالیاں دیتے ہیں۔ ان کا علاج ذہنی امراض کے معالج ڈاکٹر مبین اختر کے پاس چل رہا ہے۔ ہم تو فرقہ باطنیہ کے دست و بازو بن بیٹھے تھے‘ یہ تو اللہ کا کرم تھا کہ اس نے ہدایت دی۔ میری تمام مسلمانوں خصوصاً مذہبی فکر اور تحریکوں سے وابستہ لوگوں سے گزارش ہے کہ وہ اس فتنے کا ادراک کریں اور زید زمان کی صورت میں یوسف کذاب کی دوسری انٹری کو ناکام بنادیں تاکہ لوگ گمراہ نہ ہوں۔“ سعد موٹن منصور طیب کے بڑے بھائی اور یوسف کذاب کے خاص مقرب رضوان طیب کا دوست تھا۔ علاقہ سوسائٹی سے تعلق رکھنے والا سعد شروع ہی سے مذہبی رجحان رکھتا تھا، اس لیے وہ رضوان طیب کے ذریعے اس فرقہ باطنیہ کے قریب آیا۔ اس کے ساتھ پانچ سال رہا لیکن اس کے دل نے کبھی اس فرقے کو دل سے تسلیم نہیں کیا‘ بلکہ ان لوگوں کی عجیب و غریب حرکتوں کی وجہ سے بالآخر وہ اس فرقے سے الگ ہوگیا اور پھر اللہ نے اس کو اس فرقے کے خلاف کام کرنے کی توفیق دی۔ سعد موٹن کہتا ہے: ”زید زمان سے میرا تعارف رضوان طیب نے کرایا تھا۔ یہ اُس زمانے کی بات ہے جب افغان جہاد کے آخری دن چل رہے تھے اور طالبان کابل کو فتح کرکے وہاں حکومت بنانے کی پوزیشن میں آگئے تھے۔ کراچی سے کچھ لوگ تیار ہوکر افغان جہاد میں حصہ لینے جارہے تھے۔ جب طالبان کی حکومت بنی تو کچھ لوگوں نے سوچا کہ کیوں نہ پاکستان میں بھی طالبان کی طرز پر خلافت قائم کی جائے۔ مذہبی سوچ رکھنے والوں کو اپنی طرف راغب کرنے کے لیے یہ کہنا ہی کافی تھا۔ اللہ کی راہ میں جان قربان کرنے سے زیادہ خوشی کی بات اور کیا ہوسکتی ہے! رضوان طیب کی اسلامک سینٹر کے پلیٹ فارم پر زید زمان سے ملاقات ہوئی۔ پھر یہ دنوں مسلم ایڈ کے لیے کام کرنے لگے اور میں بھی ان کے ساتھ مل گیا۔ مسلم ایڈ کا کارڈ آج بھی میرے پاس موجود ہے۔ میں ان کے ساتھ فنڈز اکٹھا کرتا تھا۔ ہم نے افغان جہاد کے حوالے سے ایک مووی ”قصص الجہاد“ کے نام سے تیار کی تھی۔ زید زمان اس کا ڈائریکٹر تھا۔ اس سی ڈی کی سیل کی ذمہ داری میری تھی۔ اس کے بعد زید زمان کی ملاقات یوسف کذاب سے ہوئی۔ یہ اس کو کراچی لے آیا۔ رضوان طیب، سہیل احمد اور عبدالواحد کراچی میں اس کے شروع کے ساتھیوں میں سے تھے۔ ان لوگوں نے خلافت کا آسرا دے کر کراچی سے ایک تحریک کا آغاز کیا اور جمعیت اور جماعت کے لوگوں کو ٹارگٹ بنایا۔ ہر آدمی کو اس کے رجحان کے حساب سے گھیرنے کی حکمت عملی وضع کی گئی۔ اگر کوئی جہاد سے متاثر تھا تو اس کو اس حوالے سے راغب کرنے کی کوشش کی۔ کوئی کسی اور فکر سے وابستہ تھا تو اس کو قریب لانے کے لیے اس فکر کے قصیدے پڑھے گئے۔ مذہب کو بنیاد بنایا گیا اور تاثر دیا گیا کہ ان کا مقصد خلافت کا قیام ہے۔ اس کے بعد کراچی میں نشستوں کا انعقاد شروع کیا گیا۔ یہ لوگ یوسف کذاب کو حضرت کہتے تھے۔ اس کو ان نشستوں میں بلایا جاتا تھا۔ اس نے شروع میں اپنے آپ کو عاشقِ رسول کہنا شروع کیا۔ پھر اللہ اور رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے نور کی باتیں کرنے لگا۔ پھر کہنے لگا کہ محمد کا نور حضرت آدم علیہ السلام سے لے کر قیامت تک رہے گا۔ یہ نور کسی بشر کی صورت میں ظاہر ہوتا رہتا ہے جس کو دیکھنے کے لیے خاص بصیرت کی ضرورت ہوتی ہے جو ایک خاص طریقہ کار سے حاصل ہوتی ہے۔ اُس وقت تک اس نے یہ دعویٰ نہیں کیا تھا کہ موجودہ دور میں وہ بشر (نعوذباللہ) وہ خود ہے۔ جو لوگ اس کی گرفت میں آجاتے تھے اُن کے متعلق وہ کہتا تھا کہ یہ آگے درجے کے ہوگئے ہیں۔ وہ اس موقع پر کہا کرتا تھا: اقبال تیری دید کی آج عید ہوگئی کہ یار لباسِ بشر میں آن ملا وہ دعویٰ کرتا تھا کہ یہ اقبال کا غیر مطبوعہ شعر ہے جس پر حکومت ِہند نے پابندی عائد کردی تھی۔ ایک خاص وظیفے کے بعد یہ اپنے پیروکار کو بشارت دیتا تھا کہ محمدصلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے آپ کی عاجزی کو قبول فرمایا ہے، اس لیے وہ لباسِ بشر میں یعنی (نعوذباللہ) یوسف کذاب کی صورت میں حاضر ہے۔ اور اس طرح یہ خودکو محمد ظاہر کرتا تھا۔ مجھے کافی عرصے تک ذکر کرایا گیا۔ میرا تعلق چونکہ مذہبی گھرانے سے ہے اس لیے بہت ساری باتیں مجھ سے ہضم نہیں ہوتی تھیں۔ کئی مرتبہ مخلوط محفلوں پر اعتراض کی وجہ سے کہا گیا کہ اس کو نشستوں میں نہ لایا جائے۔ میرا دل کھٹکتا تھا کہ کہیں نہ کہیں گڑبڑ ہے۔ مجھے یہ بھی بتایا گیا کہ قرآن کے سات ترجمے اتارے گئے جس میں ایک صرف ان لوگوں کے پاس محفوظ ہے۔ جیسا کہ میں نے پہلے عرض کیا یوسف کذاب کے کام کے لیے پنڈی کے زید حامد اور کراچی کے رضوان طیب، سہیل احمد اور عبدالواحد کو خاص ذمہ داریاں سونپ دی گئی تھیں۔ ان کو (نعوذباللہ) صحابیوں کے درجوں سے نوازا گیا تھا۔ ان لوگوں کا اصل مقصد پیسے بٹورنا‘ عقائد کو بگاڑنا اور مریدوں کو خواتین کی طرف راغب کرنا تھا۔ ہر محفل مخلوط ہوتی تھی۔ حتیٰ کہ نمازیں بھی مخلوط ہوتی تھیں۔ خواتین اور مردوں کو ایک مقام دیا جاتا تھا۔ایلیٹ گھرانوں کی خواتین ان کی طرف راغب ہوتی تھیں۔ان محفلوں میں عشق و محبت کی باتیں ہوتی تھیں، عشقیہ اشعار سنائے جاتے تھے۔ اکثریت ان لوگوں کی تھی جو صاحب ِمال اور صاحب ِاثر و رسوخ تھے۔ بڑے بڑے تاجر، فوج اور بیوروکریسی کے لوگ اس کے جال میں پھنس چکے تھے۔ بیعت کرنے والوں کو اہلِ بیت کہا جاتا تھا۔ یہ لوگ پابند ہوتے تھے کہ اپنے مال کا ایک حصہ جمع کرائےں۔ یوسف کذاب کی کراچی آمد پر ”جشنِ آمد ِ حضرت“ کے نام سے تقریب منعقد کی جاتی تھی۔ قیام و طعام کا اہتمام ہوتا تھا۔ قیمتی تحائف دینے پڑتے تھے۔ ایک خاص قیمت سے کم کے تحائف قبول نہیں کیے جاتے تھے۔ محفلوں میں عام لوگوں کو شرکت کی اجازت نہیں تھی۔ جو ان کے عقیدے سے اختلاف کرتا تھا وہ نقصان اُٹھاتا تھا۔ لوگ اس حد تک یوسف کذاب کے عشق میں مبتلا تھے کہ اپنی بیٹیاں اور بیویاں پیش کردی تھیں۔ تقریباً ڈھائی سو خواتین نے اپنے شوہروں سے طلاق لیے بغیر نئی شادیاں کرلیں۔ یوسف کذاب اپنے اہلِ بیت سے کہتا تھا کہ نکاح سے پہلے اپنی ہونے والی بیوی کو میرے پاس بھیجو۔ اس عمل کو معراج کے سفر کا نام دیا جاتا تھا۔ خواتین گھنٹوں اُس کے ساتھ خلوت میں رہتی تھیں۔ اگر کوئی ان بے ہودگیوں کو دیکھ کر انہیں غلط کہتا تو اس کا انجام برا ہوتا تھا۔1994ءمیں ایک نوجوان نے علی الاعلان یوسف کذاب کو برا بھلا کہا۔ اس کا قتل ہوا۔ اس قتل کو ڈکیتی کہا گیا۔ لیکن یہ ایک ایسی ڈکیتی تھی جس میں اس نوجوان کے پیسے چھینے گئے اور نہ ہی اس کی موٹر سائیکل۔ جب بیت المکرم مسجد میں اس کی نمازہ جنازہ پڑھی جارہی تھی اُس وقت یوسف کذاب ایک مقرب کی شادی میں شریک تھا۔ نوجوان لڑکے اور لڑکیاں اس فرقے کا ہدف ہوا کرتے تھے۔ میرے دل ودماغ نے کبھی اس کو قبول نہیں کیا، لیکن پھر بھی پانچ سال تک ان لوگوں کے ساتھ رہا۔ شاید ڈر کی وجہ سے کہ کہیں مارا نہ جاﺅں، یا پھر شاید اللہ نے اس لیے مجھے ان کے ساتھ رکھا تاکہ ان کو قریب سے دیکھوں اور معاشرے پر یہ سب کچھ واضح کردوں کہ یہ لوگ کون ہیں۔ میں نے مختلف مکاتب فکر کے علماءسے رابطہ کیا، سب نے ان لوگوں کو گمراہ کہا۔ آخر میں اس کے جرائم افشا ہوئے اور تحریک ختم نبوت نے یوسف کذاب کے خلاف کیس کیا۔ مقدمہ چلا‘ اس مقدمے کے دوران یوسف کذاب کو بچانے کے لیے یہ زید حامد ہی دوڑ دھوپ کرتا رہا۔ کبھی بااثر لوگوں سے ملتا اور کبھی اخبارات میں خطوط لکھتا۔ یوسف کذاب کو عدالت نے سزائے موت سنائی، 13اگست 2000ءکو زید حامد نے روزنامہ ڈان میں ایک خط لکھا اور عدالت کے فیصلے کو انصاف کا قتل قرار دیا۔ اس کی ضمانت کی کوششیں جاری تھیں کہ ایک قیدی نے اس کو موت کے گھاٹ اُتار دیا۔ یوسف کذاب کے ختم ہونے کے بعد زید زمان حامد غائب ہوگیا۔ اور پھر صرف زید حامد کے نام سے نمودار ہوا۔ اور پھر براس ٹیکس پروگرام میں سامنے آیا۔ آج اس کے ساتھیوں میں وہی لوگ شامل ہیں جو یوسف کذاب کے ساتھی تھے۔ آج انٹرنیٹ پر اس کو سپورٹ کرنے والے اور اس کی ویب سائٹ ”براس ٹیکس“ چلانے والے یہی لوگ ہیں۔ یہ بہت اچھی اچھی باتیں کرکے لوگوں کو راغب کررہا ہے۔ یوسف کذاب نے بھی یہی کیا تھا۔ کذاب نے اس کو اپنے صحابیوں میں ابوبکر کا درجہ دیا تھا۔ زید حامد کے اصل خیالات وہی ہےں۔ آج انٹرنیٹ اور ای امیل کے ذریعے جب اس سے یوسف کذاب سے تعلق اور اس کے موجودہ نظریات کے حوالے سے سوال کیا جاتا ہے تو یہ کوئی جواب دینے کے بجائے دھمکیوں پر اتر آتا ہے۔ اللہ توبہ کرنے والوں کی توبہ قبول فرماتا ہے۔ میں نے صدق دل سے توبہ کی اور پھر ان لوگوں کے خلاف کام کیا۔ اللہ ہمیں معاف کردے اور ان دجالوں کے فتنوں سے محفوظ فرمائے۔ میری آپ سے درخواست ہے کہ آپ میرے دوست رضوان طیب کے لیے دعا کریں کہ اللہ اس کی ذہنی حالت ٹھیک کردے اور اس کو معاف فرمائے۔ آمین“ قارئین آپ نے منصور طیب اور سعد موٹن کی کہانی ان کی زبانی پڑھ لی۔ یہ لوگ آج بھی موجود ہیں۔ یوسف کذاب اور زید حامد کے ڈسے ہوئے اور بھی ہیں۔ موقع ملا تو ان کو بھی اس کالم کے ذریعے آپ سے مخاطب کرائیں گے۔ آپ کو ان سے کچھ پوچھنا ہو تو ای میل کرسکتے ہیں۔ بالمشافہ بھی مل سکتے ہیں۔ زید حامد کے یوسف کذاب سے تعلق کے ناقابل تردید شواہد بہت زیادہ ہےں۔ پھر کسی کالم میں لاہور کی عدالت میں دائر یوسف کذاب کے خلاف کیس کی سماعت کے اقتباسات درج کریں گے۔ اگر آپ اصل دیکھنا اور پڑھنا چاہتے ہیں تو اس کے لیے بھی رابطہ کرسکتے ہیں۔ اللہ ہم سب کو ہدایت دے اور دورِحاضر کے دجالی فتنوں سے بچائے۔ آمین
@Asif Shiraz
“It is written big and bold on them: TV1 presentation”
Are you stupid or consider other silly. once a program is aired on TV channels the copyrights authomatically go to the channel. All are not that stupid you know that they will believe whatever shit you speak or write.
@Mr. Truth
First of all your article here has nothing to do with the issue currently discussed..
Secondly, I’ll not discuss what happened in Lal Masjid and what was the actual story I am just going to insult Qazi :)..
OK, so Mr.Truth, how foolish you are. you are glorifying Mr.Qazi and his team of retards that they have done a great job by creating a fact finding mission who has done every thing to bring the truth to the public… wow amazing… what a pity… where were these molvies when those people inside Lal-Masjid were getting killed. Mr.Qazi, who is so expert in arranging dharnas ,julooses,million marches and trains marches, where were all that gone at that time… he could have arranged a dharna in protest al-least, or he can bring a million march to Islamabad to protest and force the government not to do what they are going to… and where was Maulana Diesel, he was attending the most important session of all parties in London, yeah off course that was more important then some f****** peeps gettin killed…
I would like to quote what Mr.Qazi recently said about the in camera session… boy that is not very important, he said; train march is more important… and look what that hippocrate said, the next line of the news paper… Mr.Qazi saying govt. should take all parties in confidence… what the f***.. what else is govt. doing… does he have the right to say that the in camera session was nothing but a joke while he was enjoying his train ride …
OK and one more thing… why Mr.Liquiat Baloch was honored with jootas and god a lot of them when he came to visit Lal-Masjid…
Fact finding mission after killings… bluddy hell…
Mr Asif Shiraz, why did u change ur name and not responded as Asif shiraz. will changing the name hide the shit in your mind. I have nothing to do with if Dr Fayaz has glorified Qazi Sb. But read the second one. U better know Saad Moten and Manswer Tayab, younger brother of Rizwan Tayab. Respond to that article. and yeah i’m gona translate the proceeding of code. respond to that pls. and yeah don’t get hyper. we know you’re the intolrent cult.
@Truth!
jazak allak kherokum
i was bewildered by reading those articles . those were eye opening link for every one. thanks a lot for sharing.
OK, one moment please… I was trying to reply to the comments that continue filling up my mail box, but when I saw that you people are fighting like mad dogs(supporters /opposer’s), I felt better not to respond cuz I’ll also be labeled either munkir and kafir or some thing else by the supporters of Zaid hamid.
One thing, why are you fighting like wild hogs?
I was a big follower of Mr.Zaid and watched and read most of his material… But as soon as I heard about the allegations, I have quarantined myself in a cage label as “Neutral peeps in here, please” .
If this man is wrong, then he deserves to be punished and if he is doing what Yousaf did and if that was also true then he deserves to be killed like the way Yousaf was killed…. but whats otherwise…
God you ppl follow one personality like he is kinda God…
For God sake stop worshiping these created and crafted personalities … stop worshiping your political leaders, your anchor persons, your moulvees, your peers and your bosses and may be we as a nation can find the right path … this country is suffering because of ppl like you … who never argue but fight … My God you ppl are threatening each other publicly.
For God sakes think about this country, she needs unity. Unity unity and unity… and here we are , we can’t even argue peacefully on one single blog post… and just in a few days we are threatening to kill each other.. what happed if you all are made to sit in front on each other… God…
Questions after questions after questions… OK if some one is saying that he will bring evidence in his favor or against him, let him do it, and the person who is so sure that this man is wrong/right and he is able to collect evidence, please tell others; When will this happen ??? and then ask peeps to wait … and what if they fail to do so???
Peace peace peace and don’t speak in favor or against until you have evidence.. and solid evidence…
~~~~ peace ~~~~
Ohh Mr.Truth
I am ali .. i dont know any f**** asif…
and I know my mind is less shitter than your .. you m*****… supporter of Qazi.. hehhahahha..
“hmm Mr Ali
You’re talking about arguemnts. right? now see how does this man reposnd ton question. just go through this interview and find
“Question: So, my first question to you will be about the recent controversy involving you and Yousaf Kazzab?
Answer: Alhamdolillah, all my life has been spent keeping myself under tests and trials of fire, sword and blood for the sake of this Deen and in love of Rasul Allah (saw). My prayers, sacrifices, my life and death remain for Allah and His Prophet (saw). My izzat, life, parents, property, family and even good deeds are sacrificed on Rasul Allah. I am not mad to follow false prophets after Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw).
Those with noor can see the rehma, baraka and khair from Allah and love of Rasul Allah in the life and mission of this humble faqeer.
(He recites in Arabic) “Hasbunallah wa Naimal Wakeel, Naimal Mawla wa Naimal Naseer”.
[Meaning: Allah is sufficient for us and He is an excellent Guardian, an excellent Lord and an excellent Helper. (3: 173).]
Question: So what do think about Yousaf Kazzab?
Answer: Curse of Allah, angels and momineen (people who Believe, Muslims) be on those liars who claim to be “prophets” after Sayyadna Khatim un Nabiyyeen Muhammad Rasul Allah (saw). Also cursed and Rajeem on those who follow such liar “prophets” and also cursed are those who accuse innocent Muslims of following such false prophets. There will be no prophet after our beloved Sayyadna, Maulana, Muhammad Rasul Allah, Rehmat ul lil Aalimeen (saw). May Allah keep us in His serene and blessed noor and Rehma in dunya and Akhira.
May Allah be my witness in both the worlds and forgive our errors, mistakes and sins and have mercy on Ummat e Sayyadna Rasul Allah (saw). Indeed Allah is the best of Protector and most merciful on His slaves.”
http://pak1stanfirst.com/2008/10/07/an-exclusive-interview-with-zaid-hamid-i-am-not-mad-to-follow-false-prophets-after-sayyadna-rasul-allah-saw/
See what this man is saying. i have myself see his name in the court proceedings. and i make mistake by uploaded article of Fayaz Alam. i’m with him as long as he write something against this lair Ziad and you know i’m not gona support his glorification of Qazi Sb. You better read the second article and respond then and tell me how can he deney all this. Why is he not simply saying that he has left the cult of yousaf Kazzab. but he wouldn’t as it was he who promoted Kazzab. and If he can’t say that he should confess that say okay i was with him as he was right.
The followers of Kazzab haven’t yet decided what to do. to condemn Kazzab or own.
I suggest that Zaid should clarify the situation in his TV1 program.
Yeah you are right.
That is the very point that is confusing me… a few days back I read his article on chowk.com in which he quotes that the court proceedings were not justified in Yousaf’s case…
Well I agree with that post of ZZH… keeping in mind the situation of courts in our beloved country , any thing can happen, any innocent can be ruthlessly hanged…
In that article he supports Yousaf.
If that article is actual and truly written by ZZH then there is no confusion that he is a liar because he now denies his any relation with Yousaf straight away…
Allah guide us to the right path…
and have mercy and show us the truth…
Its Jumma and I would ask all of you to pray for this country …
~~~~ Have Peace ~~~~~
I will provide you the text of proceedings. you’re right that the legal system in pakistan is not that reliable but you can show that text to any lawyer and he will tell you about case. we will be able to upload it in few days. and you can yourself aquire it from the court.
May Allah Guide us
Are you saying Zaid Hamid is sorcerer, who with his spell can deceive people????? Well its true for those who don’t have anything to compare with what hes saying will definitely have problem if turns out to be the wrong guy. But how do you know until you don’t have any yardstick/barometer.
Go update yourself with Islamic knowledge first, understand life of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and His Sahabaas (RA), correct your beliefs, implement them in your life, once you have this you wouldn’t need ppl like Teeth to lead you. Stop becoming visionary and self proclaimed leaders when you don’t have the ability fix yourself.
Behave like peaceful/tolerant human being. Environment here is like as if one animal has intruded others territory.
And last but now least stop commenting like retards do on DIGG.
Allah has provided everyone with the ability to differentiate between right and wrong.
And for those who blamed Zaid for something hes not then be ready to face the Allah’s (SW) anger. In the end after watching his programmes I didn’t find anything controversial in his messages. He talked about Pakistan, stable/prosperous/peaceful/Islamic Pakistan. Then he identified to you and provided you with the understanding to differentiate between so called friends and enemies.
For me important thing is that hes sharing the knowledge and not imposing anything on me. And if knowledge comes from any other source I would take and every Muslim would take it too.
Don’t try to jump to conclusion unless you have earth shattering evidences. Just arguing for the sake of argument is lame.
Knowledge is a power so go get it and equip yourselves with Islam, let Islam lead the way. Peace Peace Peace. Pakistan For Ever.
ALlah Hafiz.
yaar mere bhai … I am still a very neutral person.. neither a follower of Mr.Zaid nor am I denying what he says through his programs.
I am really confused on how the events are unfolding…
– I know and I am totally convinced that he does not say any thing against Pakistan and Islam and at the same time I had read his article on Chowk.com and then he denied that he has any link with Yousaf.
– It means either the article on chowk is fake or Mr.Zaid is lying..right?
– Secondly I am again asking the opposer’s of Mr.Zaid that lets say he is not Mr.clean then why does he support our beautiful country and our beautiful religion so much… I have personally seen all his programs and have never seen anything which is against Pakistan or Islam … ??
@Ali
He is trying to damage our economy by preaching people to pull out money from Banks and by ‘Brasstacks Gold Coins”…At the time when global financial system is in a mess while countries like Pakistan are safe from it due to less exports.
What else an enemy of Pakistan can do except pushing this country in to bankruptcy?
There is a post regarding these questions which were asked from Mr. Zaid and he did not answer.
Can you please ask him the answers of above post about his ‘Brasstacks economic system” and hate speaches to bring down our economy?
@Silence
Well as far as Banking system is concerned that is no doubt controversial and I won’t deny that because of profits etc it is concerned un-Islamic. Well I won’t debate on this issue since I have little knowledge about this…
But as ZZH says we need an alternative Islamic banking system, that is true … just keep aside that whether it is possible or not – that is another debate – But I agree, Pakistan alone can not do that, look at other Islamic countries, who will support Pakistani system.. unknown…
well to be very frank Silent bro, that is not a very convincing evidence …
Secondly, about the post and asking him some question … yeah i had seen that … that is of course questionable…
I have not heard Zaid Hamid say that he is Hazrat ali of Yousuf Khazzab or Hazrat Mohammed (pbup)is not the last prophet. Besides that what has he said that is so wrong?????
well, he never said anything which is against main spirit of islam.all he said is bringing muslims back on stage.
the guy mentioned is ZAID ZAMAN and he is ZAID HAMID.so there is hell lot of difference.if he wanted to change his identity so he must have changed his entire name all together why just change last name.
it is possible one has looked for TRUTH all in his life.he went to many places.people from different schools of thought.one who looks for TRUTH does these kinds of things.famous suhabi Sulman Farsi did similar thing.he quit his fire worship and became christian but after some time he quit christianity and became a good muslim.so if zaid hamid met people of every thought for seeking truth than that should not be taken a evidence against him.
only one point is valid.that is he might be working for ISI.because u see he is only against those people who are against army or ISI.so he might be working to gain respect of army and ISI back which they have lost during Mush time.
because he talked against some religious extremists so there will be blames on him.
salam brothers and sisters
i am zaid hamid from Brasstacks.
i have decided to answer all your questions in one go.
i belive that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the LAST MESSENGER,PROPHET,(NABI,RASOOL) OF ALLAH.
i don’t follow Yousuf Ali Kazzab.
thanks i think thats enoughto explain.
Zaid Hamid
IANZHYI
@zaid hamid
But those were not mine or ohers questions so you haven’t answered a thing. I am certain you are not that dumb not to realize that so why the evasiveness?
Thank you ALLAH for giving us a Noor (The light) and hope, in the complete darkness, in the form of Mr. Zaid Hamid (Sher-e-Khuda)
For the first time in my life I see one MAN, who is man enough to speak the truth, and who is not afraid of telling the truth on TV, very very brave, salute to you sir. Bravo Bravo!
I don’t know Mr. Zaid Hamid that you are a king or a king maker but I know that you have the potential to be a great leader.
Whoever is talking against you, no doubt they are not friends of Muslims and Pakistan, but they are enemies, liars, cowards, filthy blood sucking money lovers who can sale their mothers too for money for sure.
Mr. Zaid Hamid May ALLAH protect you, and give you ISTAQAMAT, IMAN KI SALAMTI, and more POWER to lead us from darkness to light with the POWER of QURAN-E-AZEEM.
May ALLAH give you long life with great health, long enough to see Muslims unite against the Kufr and nizam-e-kufr.
AAMEEN.
@nota
I think Zaid hamid answered more than enough for a lot of people. Besides that he can not singly answer every single question for everybody.So give the guy a break and seek answers elsewhere.
People! In Allah’s name, if you are Muslims, behave like Muslims. It is not right of a Muslim to speak of a subject which s/he knows not. It is not appropriate behavior to spread rumors and hearsay on sensitive matters, especially that are about two things declared sacred by the Divine Law: Life of a human, and the honor of a human.
Are you able to sit as a judge on the matter of blasphemy – would you be called in to give Sharai opinion on the case of Yousuf Ali? Are you PERSONALLY qualified? If not, then what, in Allah’s system, has given you the right to cry for blood of the man and of anyone associated with him (according to this blog – which could be true or not).
Are you able to sift through sound economic/ political opinion from hogwash? If you are not qualified through study or active engagement, then what in Allah’s system gives you the right to disqualify another person’s opinion who may have studied more than you?
It is disturbing that the blogger and commentators are people who have taken subtle issues of blasphemy and religion – and given judgments on them.
It’s only after I read this blog casually (and I was about to casually type in, “Oh I don’t personally like Brasstacks” when I just said to myself hey wait a minute! You haven’t even seen that program!) that I went on to study the case of Yousuf Ali. Suffice it to say that there was no clear indication of blasphemy and ulema from Pakistan and abroad appealed that the case against him was not just technically false, but also what he DID say was not out of line with Shariah. I then found a YouTube presentation where Yousuf was condemned for saying something about the noor of Muhammad peace be upon him being in him.
Dear Muslims on this blog! What has happened to your aqal? Have you read at least the twice-mentioned episode in the Quran where Allah created Adam and asked Iblees to prostrate. Quran’s own words: Allah said, “We put some of our noor in Adam/ bashar.”
So shall we kill someone who says they have the noor of Allah in them? The Noor of Allah is EVERYTHING, and EVERYTHING is the Noor of Allah. Because if say Kalima-e-tawhid, could we believe there is anything else?
But I have heard stupider things from Muslims. Here is a gem from a jamaat-e-Islaami cousin of mine. I said, “you should use tulsi plant to cure ills, it’s planted in houses to rid of insect.” And she replied, “But it’s a Hindu plant, and so is garlic. Therefore my father (JI) says we shouldn’t plant these.” Subhan’Allah! This is the grip that Pakistani Muslims have on Tawhid – no wonder we are despised the world over for our idiotic interpretation of Islam (Pakistanis are Muslims, everyone else including African and American Muslims are lesser Muslims.) Who created Tulsi and garlic and gave them benefit for humankind? Allah, or some clay idol in India? Who stops a Muslim from using these? Allah, or idiocity?
Allah’s spirit is in humans. Prophet Isa is called “Rooh Allah” – shall we issue a fatwa to kill – I am sorry, on who then? Because Quran says that!
Dr Awab:
I believe Naufil is well-intentioned but utterly ignorant.
Please reflect upon the fact that the duas that you read in panj-suras after namaaz are often by Sufi shaykhs, including Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani.
Hazrat is a term specifically used to mean someone who is “hazir” – i.e. in the present moment – aware. In Sufi tradition, it is a technical term that refers to a person who is not in the Past or Future – but honors the current moment. And for those who have an issue with that, ponder over what Allah says: “Do not curse time (the zamana), for I Am Time Myself!” (Zamanay ko bura na kaho, kyunke zamana mein khud hoon.)
Pakistanis grow up on Sufi literature. Here are the Sufis who are part of our textbooks: Rumi, Hafiz, Saadi, Iqbal. Others whose stories are read by kids in Pakistani textbooks: Abdul Qadir Jilani, Ali Hajveri, Data Ganj Bakhsh.
The Deobandi School was established by a Sufi!
There are MILLIONS of Sufi masters and their followers amongst Pakistan. This is no exception. From Turkey to African countries of Morocco to South Africa to India to America – there are millions of active, living Sufis everywhere. Given Pakistan’s low educational awareness and everything abysmal, though, it’s true that there are plenty of fake sufis and others who are completely misguided souls. However, according to Allah’s Law, judgment is reserved by Allah alone. There are overt matters, of course, where jurisprudence is activated in accordance with the level of Shariah practiced in that area.
- It is common amongst Sufis to state spiritual facts in a fashion that is not understandable to common persons. This blog and its comments section is utterly the wrong place for me to start a counter-argument on the subtleties of the Quran, and of Allah’s message.
Suffice this to say that a great of ignorance has prevailed here in the manner in which a completely speculative issue (or rather a bundle of them) was passed on as a fact, and then there was no moderation to the blood lust that the mob of comments carried forward. Dr. Awab would you take the responsibility of any of the people riled up by your post taking an aggravated action?
It’s not even clear what’s at issue here:
- “the firqah e batiniyah” which isn’t so batiniyah anyway. The first thing in this post is utterly laughable for lack on knowledge.
- Zaid Hamid’s foggy Yusuf link
- Yousuf Ali’s guilt or innocence – which was doubtful then. He was killed by a convicted murderer while his case was still open and ulema (non-Sufi) and Sufis were vouchsafing FOR him (go research this)
-ZZH (whatever his name is)’s past
- ZZH’s link to ISI or CIA
- and finally all that being Musharraf’s fault
- and finally that means that even the economic analysis, which could still be subtler than the truth (even leading American mainstream magazines now are speaking of the death of capitalism) was doubtful??? Was it? Or was it not?
Great, let doubt fog the minds! Right!
This is one heck of confused piece of disconnected research, and absolutely dangerous for its content matter and lack of authority.
It’s not a small matter to approve of murder on a popularly read blog. Dr. Awab, feel your responsibility. Follow the golden rules of Islam: Allah has given strict admonitions about passing on hearsay and “conjecture.”
Conjecture – which is what this blog post technically is – is a sin for all those Qur’an thumping lovelies here. What can be more of a conjecture than such conclusions as:
“This guy is copy/ pasting email replies, hence he is lying.”
Subhan’Allah! What is wrong with – even if ZZH were Iblis himself – a person giving a ditto reply to a ditto question? Just because a person cannot think of fresh words to answer “Are you a member of a cult/ on CIA payroll/ hence darkly related to Musharraf/ hence linked to kufr” queries – they are lying?
And therefore we should go ahead with slaughtering the honor of someone who could be a perfectly innocent man, though an idiot or a sensationalist, or an ugly duckling or may be even guilty?
What kind of witch hunt is this? Is THIS becoming of Muslim character?
Listen to what Shaykh Hamza Yusuf has to say about acting like an authority when one has no knowledge: such as issuing fatwas on others whose affairs we have no DIRECT information about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI4-LsPimjk
I discovered Hamza Yusuf a couple of hours ago – and may Allah bless him, for he has inspired me to finally speak the truth about this horrific piece of a blog and the utterly ignorant conversation that has taken place here!
GO ahead kill people. And when you have spare time, do manage to read the translation of the Quran for the first time – and NOT through a half-baked blog that bases its assumptions on a quarter-boiled research!
Regarding this in my earlier comment:
*Quran’s own words: Allah said, “We put some of our noor in Adam/ bashar.”
This is the English translation of what Maulana Maudidi has interpreted in his Urdu Tarjuman-ul-Quran. I accidentally found the two passages, and insha’Allah when I have time, I shall refer to the page numbers and edition (will have to find the passages again). Otherwise, any person here is invited to investigate Maulana Maududi’s Tarjuman-ul-Quran.
While the individuals labeled as guilty in this blog may or may not be so – (and I cannot single-handedly declare anyone innocent, for this too is a form of judgment – and I have no direct knowledge of ZZH or his program – I’ve finally checked it out though) – what is scary is a generic condemning of… well it’s hard to make head or tail of how many things or people are condemned in this complicated tale.
The concepts of faith which are dragged in, though, and the aspects of the Yousuf Ali story for which he is condemned here and more widely are – though – often part of POPULAR Muslim faith. This issue is badly mixed up. Finally, Sufi speak is not digestible by everyone, which is true. And not everyone who calls them Sufi is one, or is as knowledgeable as the other Sufi. To call sufis by the title of “firqah e batinyah” is a gross generalization.
If a person is misguided, they can come from any race or clan. And if a person is rightly guided, they can be from any race or clan. Question the person, not the whole group.
Iqbal’s poetry is full of the dangers of mullah’ism (NOT ulema, but mullahs – who require no minimal knowledge and are often self-declared clerics), he is on record having said, “Deen e Mullah fi’sabeel Illah fasaad!”
…. And that’s all I will say. Indeed there are too many vague aspects to address here. All in all, a very dangerous subject to bring up which has inadvertently helped expose an issue we need to expose: Pakistani Muslims’ poor grip on both Shariah and the inner meaning of Islam. May we be rightly guided hence.
P.S. Just to share one thing I learned about my research on Tasawwuf: there are two types: one is HORIZONTAL (exploring all sorts of spiritual experiences – wandering in a spiritual Disneyland so to speak) and the other is VERTICAL (cleansing after cleansing after cleansing of self and INTENT/ “niyyat”). The first type is prevalent in Indo-Pak and has a great inclination towards crazy. Those learners who come into contact with this have a likelihood of going crazy themselves.
The second type is straightforward: cleanse yourself. And for this, you must know yourself. Hazrat Ali said, “The one who knew himself, knew his Lord!” Which is another statement liable to misinterpretation. What is means is this – to give an example – once you know a Ferrari, you know how fine its designer must be! I.e. the WAY to know Allah is to know your own design. (Because you can’t know more.)
That’s all. I had wished since day 1 of this blog to share the other side of the reality – but I am feeling I cannot even begin to do justice to the subject – hopefully I will disturb minds enough so that even if to refute, people will investigate the truth of everything on their own.
AND THAT WILL BE THE BEST OUTCOME, FOR WE SHOULD NEVER LEND OUR MINDS TO ANYONE! If that were the case, no Sahabi would have ever given counsel to the Prophet peace be upon him.
There are no holy – or unholy cows. Dear Pakistani people: LIBERATE YOUR MINDS and hearts! Reflect upon your own design and consider why Allah gave you a brain and a complete body on your own. Why didn’t Allah take a wire out of our head and plug that into someone else’s brain?
The worst dictator is a sleeping mind that is controlling a person. WAKE UP!
And Allah knows best!
@ABDULLAH
“Thank you ALLAH for giving us a Noor (The light) and hope, in the complete darkness, in the form of Mr. Zaid Hamid (Sher-e-Khuda)”
And I thought Allah had given us Noor (The light) and hope, in the complete darkness, in the form of Hazrat Muhammed (PBUH). He might not be enough for you but he certainly is enough for ME!!!
(I feel queasy reading such a statement coming from someone named “Abdullah”. Isn’t it almost blasphemous? )
@know
I don’t know of a single sufi who supports murder, kidnapping, abuse of innocents like ZZH does with his suport for Mush/ISI policies…I don’t know of a sufi who conducts a TV show and that too on terrorism, etc., and that too using a bimbo as a showpiece :)
@ Zaid Hamid
salam brothers and sisters
i am zaid hamid from Brasstacks.
i have decided to answer all your questions in one go.
i belive that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the LAST MESSENGER,PROPHET,(NABI,RASOOL) OF ALLAH.
i don’t follow Yousuf Ali Kazzab.
thanks i think thats enoughto explain.
Zaid Hamid
IANZHYI”
i don’t think this zaid hamid. IF he is zaid hamid post the same text on brasstacks official website.
aur billi thailay se bahar agayee…
the above posts by the followers of Yusuf Kazzab who are now being led by Zaid Zaman Hamid are self-explanatory of their perverted beliefs. What do they say about the article published in Jasarat last week? I am sure Zaid Zaman knows both the guys personally who testified against the financial and moral corruption of Yusuf Kazzab and Zaid Zaman in the name of Jihad, Khilafat and Sufism.
if zaid hamid doesnt admit this facts ( stilll not confirmed) so he should come on his program and say that i curse on yousuf kazzab and yousuf kazzzab is a jahannumi because of his this cursing deeds.
anyway zaid hamid is suspicious now…
These liars even lie about Quran for their vested interests. There is no ayah whatsoever in the Quran saying that “We put some of our noor in Adam/ bashar.” Nauzubillah. This is a blatant lie…
“Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: I am about to create man from clay. When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.” (38:71-72)
For clarification read this:
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1212925246967
gentleman
i read the arguments specially @Know’s argument.
the style and patteren is the same like qadiyanis.
batanis and qadiyanis have one thing common”IMPOSTERS”
qadiyanis are notorious for lies, deceptions and forgery
i can see the same when @know say’s:
*Quran’s own words: Allah said, “We put some of our
noor in Adam/ bashar.”
@Know can you give us the refrence?
also cursing the opponents.
fight with opponents insted of arguments(i never read a single incidence in the history of TAREEQAT that disiples made such a fuss when some one opposed thier school of thoughts.
qadiyanis and batanis look like same.
is it coincidence or some conspiracy?
May Allah Protect all Muslims from the fitna of Yousaf Kazzab (the false prophet) and his successor(right Hand Man) Zaid Zaman Hamid
Following is an article in Urdu from Daily Jassarat, October 24, 2008 which mentions all the related facts about Musharraf’s massacre int he heart of Islamabad and dispells the myths crafted by ISI and its mouth piece, Zaid Zaman Hamid.
Are you guyz here scared of the Unknown. Listen to Zaid Hamids messages not what people think he is he has alot of good things to say so listen and live and let live. And as muslim I don’t think we should be cursing anyone though I am not that knowlegable in Islam. One who says kalma shahadat shouldn’t be questioned any further for his beliefs. I mean any human being shouldn’t be questioned for their beliefs anyway. Only Allah is the jugde and we all surely be judged sooner or later and we should worry about our own judgements at the day of judgment. Not even ones who talks about having noor in them because they say kalma shahadat.
Kalama shahadat is:
“Ashaduanlailaha illAllahu wa ashaduanna mohammadan abdahu wa rasuluhu”
I mean any human being. REMEMBER WE WILL ALL RETURN AND BE JUDGED.
Zaid Hamid is not backing anyone not ISI nor Army. Even if he is who is gonna fight for the country of pakistan when an enemy comes???????
By the way should we be active against fitna of our leaders in pakistan????? I guess not we should go after somebody who might be telling us some truth and who is weak without billions in his pockets.
The Prophet Muhammed Peace be upon him:
The time of the Dajjal will be years of confusion. People will believe a liar, and disbelieve one who tells the truth. People will distrust one who is trustworthy, and trust one who is treacherous; and the ruwaybidha will have a say.” Someone asked: “Who are they?” He said: “Those who rebel against Allah and will have a say in general affairs.”
We may be at this time. But Allah knows best.
@The Lone Ranger
I am not good in English or Urdu. Also I am not knowlegable in Quran and may Allah forgive me if I am wrong. But
“our noor” sound very similar to “of my spirit”
I am only referring to this part because I think thats what you were trying to clarify above that Allah never says he has put some of his noor in Adam. So please just don’t start accusing people of lies.
As muslim we need to be tolerant not dictators.
@Arshad
Please fear God in the matters of Quran and hadith. It does not at all sound similar! And even the spirit (ar-ruh) as mentioned in the ayah needed some clarifcation for common people that is why I had pasted that link above with it.
AND STOP ACTING AS A PIMP FOR ZAID HAMID! We all know that you are one of that kazzab’s followers.
@arshad khan!
one should not question the intentions and belief of other muslim, but zaid zaman hamid is a different story.
His past will haunt him forever.his association with yousuf kazzab is not something which can be easily forgotten,specially in new scenario where he is in desperate plight to be a leader of this nation.
the suspicions grew more when some intelligent guys posted some basic question regarding his past and present.
also one should remember the fact that he never condemn the yousuf kazzab.
dear arshad khan! please read the articles of daily jasarat dated october 24/2008
http://jasarat.com/2008/10/24/columns/details/02.gif
posted by @arif and other peoples
may ALMIGHTY ALLAH save us from fitanas of our age.
best regards
I would like to share Altaf Hussain Hali’s poetry as an answer to this.
Agar 1 jawanmard hamdrd insan
karay qom per dil se jan apni qurban
to khud qom is per lagae ye bohtan
k hai iski koi garz is mai panhan
wagarna pari kia kisi ko kisi ki
ye chalain sarasar hain khud matlabi ki.
@The Lone Ranger
So you know exactly “spirit” means in Quran I guess. I am not gonna argue because I haven’t done any research on this matter. You telling me to fear Allah even though my comment states thatI may be wrong. And you know exactly that Khazzab is for sure condemned to hell because of our perfect judicial system and press existing in pakistan. We must ask people to prove there innocence. We must listen to second or third or other sources to get to know a person. I guess I am wrong. You must know alot about pimping too.
@ Sop much of Bakwas said against Zaid Hamid that
the blog is inundated with falsifications and fake
documents, fabricated rumours, and a whole bunch of
Qadiani impostors have made a yalgar,
to recognize a Qadiani ask him the following
do you blieve and apply Nazaria-e-Pakistan and
do you adhere to Pak constitution of 1973.
the masks will fall down one by one !
some people have opted to talk without knowledge which is dangerous.
this is not a common matter and jst saying a sentence here and sentence in a uturn fashion is not enough.
record says that zaid zaman was closely affiliated with a distorted sufi yousuf ali who announced him as his “sahabi”.this yousuf ali was sentenced to death on 5th aug 2000. zaid zaman hamid struggled hard to preach the ideas of yousuf ali in karachi and he defended him in newspapers and tried to save him.Yousuf Ali was killed in the jail. yousuf ali had a very irrational and controversial views.Apart from sesion judge he was also scrutinized by a muslim council comprising of all sects of muslim scholars.though zaid hamid’s team now a days denies any relation with yousuf kazzab, but record proofs and the people who suffered due to this cult are many. zaid is said to be sponsored by pakistani powerfull institutions but their is no obvious proof and some says that this is just to defame pakistani institutions to link these institutions with yousuf ali type of people.
Despite his repeated negations, court order abouit yousuf ali contains the statments mentioning clearly the name of zaid zaman as the announced “sahabi” of yousuf kazzab.The court order was published by al maarif ,ganj bukhsh road lahore in 2000, and its foreward writted by renouned lawyer Mr Ismail Qurashi A dvocate writes that mr Zaid Zaman Hamid wrote a letter in daily Dawn of 13th august 2000 against the court order and labelled the order as murder of the justice.just denial of the fact is not the solution of this controversy and court order published in 0ct 2000 contains zaid hamid;s name on pages 89, 202 and 248 among the statements by the wittnesses.even people who attended the gatherings in which zaid was announced as “sahabi” of yousuf kazzab are available and court order is the proof of that.mer zaid zaman after this award delievered a speach also to prais yousuf ali. zaid zaman was the main propagator in karachi for yousuf ali, whom he denies but news papers and court order cant be denied which is a part of history and official record of the “judgment of the yousuf ali blasphemy case” in the court of mian mohammad jahangir,session judge lahore,sessions case no.60 of 1998 sessions trial no.3 of 2000 in re : the state vsmohammad yousuf ali.this was an historical judgement in the history of pakistan and zaid zaman was one of the people who defended yousuf kazzab.now he when caught in a situation simply denies in a joking fashion. this whole story of lies and deception is now exposed and “jhootay ko ghar tak pahunchana zaroori hay” now the proofs from court order will be available to those who have eyes ,brain ,any sense. those who are misbehaving and cant controll their language and want to enjoy the swimming in the pool of ignorance are free to do so but….remember the yousu kazzab and his followers.the sincere people when lost a lot of time money and eeman were very embarrased. only Allah saved some. some are still giving wrong statements and are hiding the truth.
peopl stop fighting and critisizing each other. So far zaid hamid haven’t said anything that goes against the teachings of Islam. I don’t care about his past and don’t give a dam about it. ALL I CARE IS WHAT IS HE SAYING DOES THAT MAKE YES IT DOES, THEN PLZ STOP THIS NONSENSE AND THINK ABOUT PAKISTAN.
zaid is critical of the present government of Pakistan(me too!), declaring it as the ‘CIA-sponsored democracy.’Zaid critisize the government formed after a deal between army chief kiani, musharraf and benazir in dubai(the famous dubai deal)but he defends all the moves taken by army like killings in lal mosque, killings in Fata nwfp by pak army. he says that Prohet (saw) has said about the happening of “ghazwa e hind” which will be faught by pak army ,so every step is defended in islamic perspective. here is the final conclusion of zaid,s thought that any step by pak army will be right path an the path adopted by pak army is the “true” path.most of his conclusions are ended up in defending pakistan army while most of the islamists and pakistani common man have bitter experiece with paksitan army. He considers the army and pakistan same so any critic regarding in zaid’s opinion is anti pakistan. he considers anti dictator thoughts promoted by pro independence writers as the agents of Raw Mossad and CIA. Zaid very simply considers all those who oppose dictatorship as the enemies of pakistan(while most of the pakistanis are now anti dictatorship and anti army rule).
i think zaid is seriously damaging the image of pakistan and army by advocating in achildish way .Are’nt there any sensible people in these institutions who controll the language of the advocate.”nadaan doost” ko lagaam do bhai warna bacha bacha thoo thoo karay ga.
mr shahid sahib says”peopl stop fighting and critisizing each other. So far zaid hamid haven’t said anything that goes against the teachings of Islam. I don’t care about his past and don’t give a dam about it. ALL I CARE IS WHAT IS HE SAYING DOES THAT MAKE YES IT DOES, THEN PLZ STOP THIS NONSENSE AND THINK ABOUT PAKISTAN”
i think it is important that the leader of the opinion should be of sensible past and is the past is tortuous and surpentine ,it may lead to a dead hole… if you think that after promoting a false prophet one is elligible to lead the nation intellectually then this is your “precious’ opinion. keep this asset in your almira. let people know the fact. it is important to know the past of such people.
even we cant afford tp marry a man of dubious past, how can we surrender our brains to such a man who was followers of a jahil kazzab and now clearly denies any association. it is clear “jhoot”. we know the story while you dont want to know. we have taken pain to confirm to the bottom. if you have your principles of life about following in such a way then it is dangerous. Pakistan cant afford such intellectuals and time wasters.
@Dr. Jawad Khan
Sir,
I read some of the article the. It seems to have been written like a fiction story. This writer is referring to two brothers “Rizwan Tayyab and Mansoor Tayyab” who tell the history of a guy named Yousuf Kazzab. There is some association of Yousuf Kazzab with Zaid Hamid. The writer shows his own and “Rizwan Tayyab and Mansoor Tayyab” credibility by saying “I will introduce you to these two brothers who with the mercy of Allah were rightly guided by Allah after years of working with the group of Yousuf Kazzab” Mansoor Tayyab is the one who seems to be telling this story. All that said. Are we supposed to believe what these people are saying in a newspaper or we should believe the words that we have heard from Mr. Zaid Hamid’s mouth on his shows. All what is said is allegations by third parties who whe don’t have a clue about.
This writer is so shameless I am so sad to say. He mentions that most of the people supporting Zaid Hamid are women. What his statement is meant for only Allah Knows. Where does he get his data from?
Listen!
When you want to totally destroy somebody in Islamic societies so that they don’t gain support. All you have to do attack his religious beliefs especially if the person is religious or righteous.
When you want to totally destroy some body in the West so that they don’t gain support. All you have to do is attack them so that they are criminally charged that is if they speak agaist the status quo.
So try to understand that what is going on is people are just attacking him “Zaid Hamid” because he is a threat to “false hood” or “Batil” thus a direct threat to themselves or people they are associated with.
Lets say I am wrong so far.
Then what do we have to lose if we give Zaid Hamid a chance?
Are we Happy with Zardari?
Are we happy with Nawaz sharif?
We weren’t even strong enough to stop these crooks from getting elected a second time.
Are we happy with what Mussharaf did?
Do you or they themselves have any idea what “Fitna” they are creating by amassing wealth for themselves by taking it from poor who deserves it? This fitna is nothing compared to people arguing about small issues.
Are we happy with what Mussharaf did?
What about the people that were handed over so they could be locked up in cages in Guantanamo bay and else where? What about this poor lady named “Dr. Siddiqui”
May be when and if we get a leader in pakistan like Zaid Hamid we won’t have these things happening to innocent.
Why go to learn about him through second and third parties?
Have you heard Zaid hamid talk in Economic terrorism?
Have you heard from his own mouth Hindu zionism?
Are you only capable to believe what others are saying about him but not capable to understand that most of what he says is truth? Which we don’t get to hear very often in Media in general let alone Pakistani media.
Why don’t you recognize the “Fitna” that is caused by taking away from the poor?(This is what Zaid Hamid is taklking against) Is that not way more harmful to humanity then about minor issues in Islam. such as differences betweeen “noor” and “rooh”
I don’t know Zaid hamid personally all I have done is viewed some of his TV shows. And from what I heard I was able to see that this guy is sincere for All muslims and humanity.
I think that is enough.
InshAllah we will see in our life time truth prevailing.
Take care and May Allah guide us to the right path. Ameen.
mr zafar iqbal
my concern is not zaid hamid. My concern is my dear country
not a single person and so far i havent seen any problem with his patriotism and his love for islam and i am not asking you to surrender your precious brain but instead i want to use it to analyse what he is saying now and criticize that, not what he did 20 years ago atleast i am not concerned about it and open to learn something good from him or you cause i don’t know both of you and anything good coming from anywhere is alway welcome.
@ Arshad Khan
What Ever Mansoor Tayeb has said about “fitna Zaid Zaman Hamid” is 100% true, Because I know this man since 1989 , he used to live in Shabirrabad ‘A’ block then.
Now Its your decision to fell in trap of ISI agent Zaid Zaman” OR research your self for the truth and then yourself reject him
@ Arshad Khan
Dr. Afia Siddique was abducted from Karachi by ISI/Musharraf and then illegally handed over to USA.
Zaid Zaman Hamid supports and defend the same army, the same musharraf so indirectly zaid supported Dr. Afia Siddique abduction.
Now arshad don’t start this bull shit that zaid never supported ISI/ Army.
Please see his initial TV interviews on PTV
Please see his report on LAL MASJID / Jamia Hafsa
Where Zaid has openly defend Pak Army massacre in Lal Masjid
Please while please read this report which is opposite of zaid hamid report
ollowing is an article in Urdu from Daily Jassarat, October 24, 2008 which mentions all the related facts about Musharraf’s massacre in the heart of Islamabad and dispells the myths crafted by ISI and its mouth piece, Zaid Zaman Hamid.
http://www.jasarat.com/2008/10/24/columns/details/02.gif
@Arif
Let me first clarify first that I don’t intend to defend ISI or Musharraf.
Now comming to this Jassarat article… You people are mentioning this article like its a revelation from God. On one side every body is condeming media for airing Zaid’s programs and on the other hand you are forcing us to believe in the news of a newspaper about which not more than two pc of Pakistan population know.
Secondly it is portraying Mr.Qazi and is gang of fanatic retards a group of super heroes.
Where the hell was this man when those people in Lal Masjid were getting killed… no dharna .. no train march.. no million march .. no jalsa no jaloos.. man Mr.Qazi is an expert of all this and why didn’t he and his gang came out on streets in protest during the whole siege. And where was molana Diesel, attending APC in London… damn, that is off course more important.. What happend to Liaquat Baloch when he tried to enter and tried to win Lal Masjid’s ppl’s hearts.. jootay lagay thay usay…
and look at this report.. damn it ..
@ Ali
why don’t the gand (dirt) of Yousaf Kazzab answer the real question asked.
Question 1
I asked why did Zaid Zaman Hamid supported and defended army/Musharraf massacre on Lal Masjid ???
you answered where was qazi then ?? Did Qazi ever supported or Defended army Action on Lal Masjid.
Question 2
Many times the question was asked that was zaid hamid associated with the false prophet yousaf kazzab
you answered curse on every one who blames zaid zaman
Is Zaid Hamid a Prophet that he could not be questioned ??
Regarding Jasarat article which have narrated 100% true story of Mansoor Tayeb and I know mansoor for the past 19 years and I can give my words for his honesty and credibility. “Ab billi thelay say bahar agai” and Zaid Zaman is exposed so now you have started critisizing other leaders as it is said “Chor kee Dari may think”
Look at ISI agent zaid hamid report on Lal Masjid …damn it
@Mr Arif
Are you outa your mind … Are you wearing your spectacles or are you blind…
I would like to answer you second question first..
Did I say this
“you answered curse on every one who blames zaid zaman ”
I have four recommendations
1- Read the article again
2- Use the spectacles and read again
3- Unfortunately, if you are blind then ask someone to read it for you
4- If you can’t read do the same as mentioned in point# 3.
Whom did I curse? And please mention the line number in my comments.
Now coming to question#1
I asked why did Zaid Zaman Hamid supported and defended army/Musharraf massacre on Lal Masjid ???
– First of I am not Zaid Hamid,
– Secondly, I am not his f***** supporter
– Thirdly, I am not a Lal Majid guy
– Lastly I don’t know what was the reason and what was the actual story behind all what happened in Lal Masjid.
Now coming to Mr.Qazi and Maulana Diesel and their fanatic retard gangs.
I only commented on the article published in an unknown newspaper that is referred by every one all the time.
“Regarding Jasarat article which have narrated 100% true story of Mansoor Tayeb and I know mansoor for the past 19 years and I can give my words for his honesty and credibility.”
Mr.Arif I am sure you are not a kid and I can imagine that you are a mature person… right? Sorry that wrong ….lolzzzzzz
look at the maturity, You ask me to believe in a story of an unknown newspaper by an unknown person because you know him… hahahah.. Do I know you????
You are pretending like a school going kid that cuz i know him , he is 100% honest so believe me .. plz believe me.. ohhh come on man .. show some maturity..
Lastly, damn to f**** Yousaf Kazab and damn to f**** Zaid zaman if they are associted to a cult that claims false prophesy … I am not one of them… Now plz believe me cuz i am honest .. plz plz plz…
May Allah destroy those who claim to be prophets and and all their associates and their families.. Ameen…
ppl here are f***** crazy.
Why do you blame any one who speaks against anyone else that he is a damn Qadayani, he is yousaf’s cult member, he is this and he is that..
I am not associated to any one… for god sakes stop blaming each other …
If I disagree with you view and thougths I am straight away labeled as ISI agent, Mush supprter, Qadayani, Munkir,Kafir and Yousaf kazab’s cult member..
So then where is the actual discussion going…
The blog post simply mentioned the fact according to the the blog writer. Now if I disagree with him, its my right. And it is written against Zaid hamid…
Now will somebody, somehow ask that man to defend himself… because we are biting each other for no reason….
@ Shahid, Zafar Iqbal, Arif, Ali etc. etc
read Arshad Khan’s comment of 29th octobre at 6.21
this article is quite decent and kind, contrary to
your sotises and fake, lies and cheats.
Either you disappear or sendin your clown
Khalifa-ul-khuraffat, if he has guts. Immature kids are
nulls.
@ Ali,
your last para,
would you damn also the Kazib Mirza ? I begin with that !
@ali
no body blamed any one.People are asking few simple questions which are still unanswered inspite of long heated debates and arguments.
And then you gave the entry with your dirty fingers pointing towrds mohtaram qazi hussain ahmed and you distracted the discussion.
lastly i want to send some laanat to any one who supported the action against jamia hafsa,including altaf kala
The Suicide Anatomy – Must Read!
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/the-suicide-anatomy/
Marriott hotel, Islamabad, the sign of glory, architecture, services and status is now nothing but a dump and mark of devastation, with blood, dust and smoke filled with tears, cries and smell of burnt human flesh. The footage broadcasted on television channels with a tag of ‘PG’ are just an indicant of how miserably the suicide bomber has turned a hell around in pursuit of paradise for him. After 20th September’s tragedy, It’s useless to question the security lapse when the security guards of hotel themselves are among the list of dead ones. It’s also another difficult quest for security agencies to trace the suspicious truck, when already dozens of such vehicles are running freely on roads. It’s also of no use to just present statistics of suicide bombing happened so far in these years. It’s time to make a detailed anatomy, the suicide anatomy. Who are the godfathers running this suicide factory; the planners, the financiers, the strategists, the facilitators, the motivators and the fuel to Paradise? What chain of events has brought Pakistan to such a self destructive mode? Is the motive of a man with suicide jacket deals in the short cut to heaven or there are other dimensions too? Is there any way to dismantle human bomb etc.
Historic prospective:
The phenomenon of Soviet-Afghan war in 80’s is self evident. Once, a journalist asked President Ronald Regan about the veracity of initiating Soviet war after a failed assignment of Vietnam War. Regan replied, “We would never lose Soviet war, because this time we have launched Jihad”. So, our intelligence services and CIA joint ventured a magnum opus thriving operation to devastate the Soviets. 20 to 30 thousand ‘mujahideens’ were brought from all over the world in Afghanistan. They were heroes for Pakistan, Afghanistan and US at that time. Hollywood made many propaganda movies to dedicate the valiant people of Afghanistan. Later, General Zia-ul-Haq killed in mysterious plane crash. Soon after it, democratic governments took charge. Stage was well prepared for USA to say good bye, leaving the Afghan land without introducing reforms or curing the wounds of Afghans, who suffered 10 years of war. The vacuum left was most vulnerable for anyone anywhere to come here, start training for militancy and become danger for peace. Pakistan was left alone. The so called ‘Mujahideens’ turned themselves to war lords, and started ‘Jihad’ among themselves. The supply of dollars was stopped. Battle field was open to be conquered, and lot of militant groups organized themselves to get the land occupied. I have no doubt that to retreat Soviets in Afghanistan was what required in our national interest at that time, but the most sensitive slip-up in all that phenomenon was the way the term ‘jihad’ had been coined, without thinking of the after effects.
The relic was natural. About 3.5 million Afghans killed in war. The 4 millions of refugees were to be accommodated in sole by Pakistan. Our social fabric was disturbed badly. For the first time, Pakistan was introduced by Kalashnikov culture and narcotics. The victorious ‘mujahideens’ were warmly embraced at our tribal areas. They have been offered by the tribes to get married there and breed a new generation with blood having ‘gun powder’ inside. Under such an environment, it was safe refuge for any group to label itself a Jihadi organization, and to start asking for ‘chanda’, armed themselves and to start turmoil at any level. Later in 1995, Talibans were re-emerged. The society mind set polarized with sectarian biases opened the arms well to accept them. Since, all that was assumed to be featured by religious motives, every one feared to oppose them. Thousands have been killed by clashes among them. That all what we reaped was in accordance with what we have sown. We mixed up state and religion in sensitively careless manner earlier, in 1970’s and later in Zia regime, all Jihadist ideologies were being sponsored by state machinery. To grow sympathies for jihadists on youth scale, changed academic syllabus introduced. It might be the most effective strategy on short term scale to secure the national interests regarding possible Soviet invasion at us, but that strategy was disaster on long term scale. It proved itself to be a germ pool of plasmodium of religious intolerance and militarization under the cover of Jihad.
Like an uncontrolled reaction at a laboratory, we observed the bi product of that dollar sponsored ‘Jihad’, in the form of sectarian extremist groups. Harkat-ul-Jihaad-ul-Islami (1980), Tehreek-e-Nifaaz-e-Fiqa-e-Jaafria (1980), Harkat-ul-Mujaahedeen (1985), Sipaah-e-Sihaaba (1985), Harkat-ul-Insaar (1993), Sipaah-e-Muhammad (1993), Lashkar-e-Jhangwi (1994), Jaish-e-Muhammad (2000) are just few of them. With the feel of blood thirst among each other, such organizations started making turmoil in the country, and openly inflame the common masses to join them for some so called religious motives. Thousands of lives lost in conflicts among them. Our roads tasted the drops of human blood. Security agencies appeared standing helpless in front of such a violent agitation. We failed to find any spark in democratically elected governments to root out that evil. Regrettably many of the politicians including the ones in government or in opposition provided the protection to them, as well.
The madrassas were the best breeding field to get the human resource to be used by such organizations. Few political parties with some religious titles were safety valves for such madrassas, involved in the activities other than just study. Since, the students of these madrassas are always most vulnerable to be brainwashed by such groups and organizations, it was easy to engage them in any bloody turmoil for their own vested interests. Thousands and thousands lost their lives in the clashes, and strategy to support the Jihadists during 80’s turned out as a horrible nightmare for the nation in 90’s.
When General Pervez Musharraf took charge of Pakistan in a bloodless coup, situation was at worst. Police was helpless to struggle against the well established network of Jihadists. From 12th October 1999 till 14th August 2001, there were 55 casualties in Karachi only and 61 in FATA in sectarian clashes. In June 2001, terrorists killed Shoukat Raza Mirza Managing Director (Pakistan State Oil) PSO and his driver in Karachi. Soon after it, Syed Zafar Hussain Zaidi-Director Research Laboratories, Ministry of Defense was killed. Lashkar-e-Jhangwi claimed the responsibility of both. Bold steps were required to curb that Frankenstein. Such steps are difficult to expect from any democratically elected government having dapper designed suit. General Musharraf-a man in (Special Services Group) SSG jacket didn’t waste an opportunity to coin all such moves to undo the wrongs of his predecessor General Zia-ul-Haq. On 14th August 2001, he banned Laskhar-e-jhangwi, and later on 12th January 2001, he announced a ban on Sipaah-e-Sihaaba Pakistan and Tehreek-e-jaafria Pakistan. This was the time when already a threat to kick Pakistan back on ‘stone age’ was floating in the thick atmosphere of Islamabad’s policy makers, and India had deployed his army at border.
To become an ally of Western world in ‘war against terror’ was the only choice for Pakistan, but that was an unpopular decision. On one hand, government had to deal with the external threats and on the other, had to face the public opposition. Election year was ahead, too. Tribal areas were the most horrible challenge to government, from where the cross border infiltration was evident. Usama Bin Laden, regardless of confession of involvement of Al-Qaida behind 9/11 attacks, was the most popular old guy for the men on streets. This all was like a horrible dream for any government, but Pervez Musharraf-a man holding most toughest office in the world, as said by ‘Times’ magazine, faced them audaciously, and brought Pakistan out of sudden death like situation.
Here I would stop, and ask your attention over the chain of events.
It was 24th December 1999, when Indian Airlines passenger plane flight-814 took off from Khatmandu and after being hijacked by few masked men landed at Qandahar. Hijackers demanded India to release Mulla Masood Azhar, Mushtaq Zargar and Umer Shaikh. At 31st December 1999, Wajpaayi government surrendered and Indian foreign minister Jaswant Singh brought with him these 3 persons in a special plane to Qandahar to resolve that issue. Now things happened dramatically. Mulla Masood Azhar launched ‘Jaish-e-Muhammad within few weeks after being released. Zargar and Umer Shaikh went underground. Later in late 2001, famous ‘shoe bomber’ development took place. Daniel Pearl-South Asia bureau chief of ‘Wall street Journal’ arrived on 29th December 2001 to Karachi to make a detailed story to publish regarding ‘shoe bomber’. He met various members of ‘Jaish-e-Muhammad’ and all of a sudden on 23rd January 2002, every news channel started breaking news that Daniel is kidnapped by Jihadists. This was disastrous for Pakistan. President Musharraf visit to USA was just ahead in few days. Kidnappers were sending threatening emails to ‘Wall street Journal’ with the photographs of Daniel. Biggest search operation of history of Pakistan was made to rescue him. Later, Umer Sheikh surrendered himself to police on 5th February 2002. Investigations started. When President Musharraf was in USA, on 14th February, all the international press was quoting Umer Shaikh, “Daniel is dead”. How big was all that embarrassment.
Coincidence or Perfection?
Have you observed the timing associated with these events? Is it a mere co-incidence or perfection of the plan? Now, let us observe another event. President Musharraf was attending the UNO General Assembly in November 2001 and war against terror was the hottest assignment for the world leaders present there. Meanwhile, Hamid Mir-a journalist from Pakistan published an exclusive interview of Usama Bin laden, claiming, “Al-Qaida has nukes”. We can imagine the position of President Musharraf standing among the world leaders in UNO to defend Pakistan. Now, link this situation with another visit of President Musharraf of USA. It was September 2003, when George Tenet-the CIA Director asked Musharraf about the nuclear proliferation from Pakistan. This again was a hard test for leadership. Even recently, just a day before President Zardari’s departure to USA, there happened Marriott’s blasts and responsibility is claimed by an unknown organization, ‘Fidayaan-e-Islam’. USA blamed Al-Qaida to be possibly involved behind the blasts. Is it all mere set of frequent co-incidences? It’s difficult to swallow that pill. Surely the entire world has changed after 9/11, and what has been written above is the sequel to a bigger conspiracy behind the plane attacks. There is no iota of doubt regarding the involvement of Al-Qaida and Bin Ladin behind 9/11, yet it’s not digestible that few people residing at mountains, having no training of aviation etc. are sole responsible of all that. Surely, some bigger intelligence slur in curtain.
9/11 Aftershocks:
The role of Talibans in Afghanistan was one of vital importance for Pakistan. Taliban regime was not supportive to India at all, and that was what best suited to Pakistan. After 9/11, Taliban regime was kicked out and CIA sponsored-Karzai government was put on board. Soon after it, we found the reorganization of separatists’ movement in Baluchistan. Baluch liberation army (BLA) and its cohorts asking openly for establishment of ‘Greater Baluchistan’ are getting full support from Afghanistan and India. This year, official holiday is given at 15th August to synchronize it with the independence day of India, but nowhere in national media, is reported. New democratic government is releasing the militants of BLA etc. and withdrawing the charges, giving them full choice to restructure themselves to design more rebellion in Baluchistan. In Swat, Parachanar and tribal areas etc., crystal clear evidences are there of the involvement of RAW and CIA. Let’s have some deep insight.
All the investigation reports for suicide attacks in Pakistan indicate the link to tribal belt. The center of gravity of all the terrorism in Pakistan is Bait-ullah-Mehsud at South Waziristan. The supreme commanders of ‘Tehreek-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan’ and Baluch separatists are working in full support by CIA and RAW.
The rationale is self evident, as given below;
1- Regardless of all the intelligence information sharing by ISI, Baitullah Mehsud is never hit by NATO. He daily enjoys using satellite phones, yet supposed not to be traced by a super power. On 24th May 2008, Baitullah conducted an open press conference. That day, CIA not hit him, even after knowing 6 coordinated positions, given by ISI.
2- The most frequently used material in suicide attacks is “C4 Plastic explosive”. It is available nowhere in Pakistan. Investigation reports claim that the factory making suicide jackets run in neighboring country and then are given to their assets, residing at tribal areas.
3- At the border, there are many consulates of India, which are supposed to work as intelligence bases.
4- Many killed militants of ‘Tehreek-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan’ are found to be Hindus, not having ‘Khatnaas’ even. The same has been investigated for many militants in Swat.
5- NATO claims that there is cross border terrorism to Afghanistan from Pakistan, but yet not allowing Pakistan to seal Afghan border either by fencing or mining. Earlier, when Pakistan introduced bio-Metric cards to control cross border movement, Afghan side not encouraged this move.
6- After many years of military operations, still we are unable to curb militants completely. Surely, the finances and weaponry support is given to Baitullah Mehsud and his men from some other outfit as well. Last year, 300 troops of Pakistan army surrendered against Baitullah Mehsud. Surely, some one more advanced than our army and intelligence agencies is giving information and support to Baitullah Mehsud. After about couple of months, only 211 are released. Remaining ones are killed and slaughtered brutally by militants. Even videos are available of such horrible act. Please note here that contrary to Mehsud led Talibans, Mullah Umer led Afghan Talibans were known to be rigidly against photography etc.
7- The involvement of Abdullah Mehsud-the brother of Baitullah Mehsud in killing of Chinese Engineers also is an indicant that under the label of anti-USA organizations much is going in pipeline to disturb relations of Pakistan to a friendly nation-China.
8- In Swat and Parachanaar, many militants are arrested in uniform of Afghan army.
9- BLA is controlled by Brahmdaagh Bugti, having known connections with Afghan intelligence agencies and RAW. There are known video evidences to Pakistan’s intelligence agencies. These are also shown to Admiral Mike Mulin along with Baitullah–CIA collaboration.
The clones of Talibans:
Now it’s time to smell the difference between Talibans and clones of Talibans. Original Talibans are what supposed to be led by Mullah Umer. Baitullah led ‘Tehreek-e-Taliban’ is actually a clone sponsored by CIA and RAW. All the prominent indications are written above. However, there is no doubt that the people supporting and joining such organizations have full sympathies with the original ideologies of Talibans, and they feel proud in announcing themselves Talibans. The conspiracy lies only at the upper level of their command. The people belonging to lower cadre have no sense of understanding of all that.
The strategic importance of introduction of that clone in Pakistan is to get few apparent objectives. For example;
1- To establish USA strategic bases in our tribal areas.
2- To have pro-Indian regime in full control of Afghanistan.
3- To sideline the interests of China and Russia.
4- Destabilizing Pakistan and neutralizing Pakistan’s nuclear capability.
5- To make Afghanistan a hub for Opium production. A major share of drug internationally comes from Afghanistan. Don’t forget that US intelligence has announced Karzai’s brother as 2nd leading drug dealer.
6- To sabotage IPI (Iran-Pakistan-India)pipeline project and to root out Gawadar port.
Behind the suicide:
After having such analysis, now it’s time to focus only on suicide phenomenon in Pakistan. There are multi-folded factors running parallel behind that horrible human bomb industry.
First of all, as discussed earlier, the explosive material for blasts is not something to collect easily without having main stream linkages with the key players involved. Main key organization is ‘Tehreek-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan’, which takes the responsibility of most of suicide attacks in Pakistan and openly challenges for many more attacks. All other leading militant groups covering themselves in the label of religion have their tentacles in romance with Baitullah Mehsud. They are involved in militancy, training for ‘jihad’, killing army and security agencies, blasting girls’ school etc.
Secondly, the financiers and motivators involved are sponsored by anti-state elements, residing both within Pakistan and outside. Regarding external sponsors, much has been stated above. As for as inner ones is concerned, few are those who were involved in Soviet-Afghan war and later in emergence of Talibans in 90’s. Now, they are serving for the greater game plan of CIA, by motivating these Jihadis. They are well known as defense and strategic analysts. They openly speak against USA, and provoke Jihadists to keep on performing their ‘holy mission’. They inject dreams of ‘Islamic Renaissance’ in their minds. They appear frequently in national media. They brainwash their audiences that Pakistan army is killing our own people to appease USA. Hence, they demoralize the army and nation and mislead that this is not our war. Similarly, few are from political parties, receiving dollars to carry on vested agendas in Pakistan. Interestingly, they are also known for their harsh stance against USA. They support and provide covers to madrassas involved in militancy. In addition, media channels and many columnists are known for their biases towards Pak army. They speak against President Musharraf’s policies, they criticize intelligence agencies, and try to make perceptions that Pakistan is serving for interests of USA. Our 24/7 media has never started any campaign against these radical fanatics. They tried justifying the militancy and Red mosque terrorists by blaming President Musharraf and army of everything. In this way, they provoke feelings in favor of jihadists. For instance, a most popular columnist ‘Javed Choudhray’ has once openly favored Molvi Fazlullah (Swat), Abdul Rasheed Ghazi, and Baitullah Mehsud, saying that they are fighting for Justice.
Thirdly, the most important is the supply of human resource for suicide blasts. There is no fraction of doubt at all, that the only motive running in blood of a suicide bomber is ‘religious’. Symbiosis of religious extremism and terrorism is terrible. Suicide bombers believe from their heart and soul that they were following divine path and fulfilling a holy mission. The videos are available to express their final thoughts before going to deadly mission. You would fail to find any sense of fear at their faces. They embrace their trainer and colleagues very peacefully and they all congratulate them of ‘paradise’. Such mindset is easy to design in madrassas system. The students there are usually from lower class. Their parents can’t afford them to send at some good schools or institute. The economic and financial pressure forces them to send their kids to religious centers. Moreover, such students have very often low IQ. So, it looks a good choice for their families to engage them in any madrassas, assuming it a service to religion as well. The strict ideologies taught at madrassas make such students totally away from main stream mode of life. They appear fully isolated. Knowing that they have no scope of an established and prosperous future, their psychology disturbs miserably. Outcome is natural. There emerges a sense of revenge and hatred for society. Most of madrassas are featured by sectarian and hate literature. The madrassas administrators use these students for their own interests. Whenever there is some sensitive or emotional issue, they use these students to make protests on roads and streets. The poor guys have no other choice available either. The biggest example is of ‘Lal Masjid’. The students, both male and female are used by the clerics for all the illegal activities freely. They were too indoctrinated that they started dreaming for ‘martyrdom’. The cleric arrested while escaping in ‘burqa clad’ is the most painful and regrettable example to expose them. The investigations regarding recent Wah POF suicide blasts which killed about 100, announced the involvement of a madrassa from ‘Akora Khattak’.
Here, one important thing must be added. There is also an ‘Economic’ motive. Suicide trend is also established like an industry. There are perpetrators who channelize suicide bombers and market to other groups. Not only this, such producers also blackmail the governments of these human bombs, in order to collect bounties of money.
How to dismantle a human bomb:
If we need to dismantle a human bomb, we have to follow a multi-prong strategy. This must be a win-win strategy, as we have no other choice. On one side, at tribal belt, must put on board the military actions supported by tribal elders. Secondly, speed up the developmental progress in tribal belt and providence of better life opportunities to add the people in main stream. Thirdly, education must be revolutionized to enlighten their conscience. Fourthly, there is an urgent need to bring our madrassas to the main stream. For it, all the madrassas must be registered and the record of students would be shared to government as well. The syllabi of madrassas must be checked out and revamped to bring according to the modern age requirement. Strong checks and balances must be made to stop any trace of militancy, to avoid more Lal masjids. The illegally occupied and expanded mosques and madrassas must be monitored. Moreover, strong check over any sort of hatred literature or sermons and misuse of loud speakers must be taken. Friday sermons must need to be documented. Steps should be taken to enlighten the madrassas student by the availability of multimedia facilitation to give them the broader view of world we are living in. Fifthly and perhaps most important is to bring awareness in masses to stand up against such obscurantist ideology and to oppose these fanatics loudly. All these steps if taken simultaneously would bring a positive change in Pakistan. Remember we have already wasted much time, and now our picture internationally is not too smart against terrorism and extremism.
Pakistan at Cross roads:
Pakistan is standing at the cross roads of her fate. Nation has to choose the one. It may lead to blind end, or may lead to the bridges of continued existence. Pakistan is sandwiched between 2 fascists’ ideologies; one followed by extremists and other followed by West in the name of ‘war against terror’. We have to hoard ourselves from both of them. While frightened of USA attacks over tribal areas of Pakistan, we must not forget that if USA stops acting like, even then terrorists would not leave us at peace. We, as a nation must stand up together, and join hands together for ‘Pakistan first’. Only then we can be able to resist these extremists and terrorists and be able to change the international perceptions against Pakistan. After being united, second most important thing is to show no trace of despondency. Pakistan army is alert 24 hours for the nation. People of tribal areas are also now fighting along Pakistan army against the terrorists. Now, there remains no doubt that this is OUR War and we have to fight it. Pakistan is not meant for defeat. We must win. We must win for ourselves and for our future generations.
@ dr_jawwad71
but Mr.Doc, if no one is blaming then why am I so conscious in writing comments .. cuz I know one word here can make me Kafir and Yousaf’s cult member…
And Mohtaram Qazi.. yeah he might be your godfather, but I hate him and his fanatic gang and thats my right! and I have my own opinions about him. You should not have any problem with that… and above all I can express my haltered towards him at any forum, thats my right too… after all its a democratic country , right?
Doc Alvi:
Could you please check if “Nousheen” and “Sarah” are new nicks of one of our friends here. What a coincidence that two “ladies” just happen to post cr@p of the ZZH buddies ISI linked (Pakistan First “Think Tank” and Ahmed Qureshi)
For those who don’t know ZZH, AQ and PFTT are in a very symbiotic relationship each promoting the other on their website. So seems to be this PakAlert blog. Have a look at titles of articles posted and you will get the idea. Some examples:
The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
Musharraf’s Pakistan Had True Potential
EXCLUSIVE: Musharraf Is Writing A Second Book
Arrested Militants: RAW, Afghan Agency Funding Pakistan Terrorism
9th Anniversary Of Gen. Musharraf’s Coup
Ayesha Siddiqa’s MILITARY INC: A Deflective and Derogatory Book
You get the idea…
@ali
peoples are rightly instigated because one way or other it leads to yousuf kazzab(not fanatic).people witnessed and some suffered badly because yousuf kazab and his followers (non fanatics) that is why you cought in crossfire.
Yes it is democratic country but maniacs should not have an access to internet.
Dr Jawwad Khan:
It did occur to me that I would be declared a whatever-bad-thing-comes to your head, such is the nature of with-hunt. I believe by now Dr. Awab must have known my identity for he is very adept with technology.
As for the noor ayat reference (which had surprised me too, since I accidentally came across that about ten weeks ago when randomly leafing through Quran), it is in Tarjuman-al-Quran by Muadudi and I have mentioned that -please be mature enough to read the reference. By the way, I thought every educated Muslim has heard of Allah Hu Noor us Samawaat e Wa-al Ardh?
Once you have done your job, we shall talk further.
I am a Syedda, and I have no problem speaking the truth that I believe in.
Corrections-
It did occur to me that I would be declared a whatever-bad-thing-comes to your head, such is the nature of witch-hunt*. I don’t mind, go ahead call me whatever your aqal settles on. I believe by now Dr. Awab must have known my identity for he is very adept with technology.
As for the noor ayat reference (which had surprised me too, since I accidentally came across that about ten days* ago when randomly leafing through Quran), it is in Tarjuman-al-Quran by Muadudi and I have mentioned that -please be mature enough to read the reference. By the way, I thought every educated Muslim has heard of Allah Hu Noor us Samawaat e Wa-al Ardh?
Once you have done your job, we shall talk further.
I am a Syedda, and I have no problem speaking the truth that I believe in.
Links posted in defense of ISI/army massacre of Lal Masjid by “Nousheen” and “Sarah” (which are supporter of Zaid Hamid) nows confirms that Zaid is a ISI agent.
Oh I just skimmed through the comments above – it seemed that Lone Ranger has given the reference of the Ayat I mentioned. I have a paper version of where I read it, and I was trying to look up the same in Compendium of Muslims Texts, but didn’t manage to find.
Go ahead, find it in the Quran. Why ask other people to tell you? What if, as Dr Jawwad suspects, I am really a qadiyani or just a bored teenager trying to mess you all up? Will you believe me or disbelieve me? What do you have minds and hands and legs for? Why not go and buy a book for yourself and start investigating? What stops you?
If someone doesn’t do that and still argue, they are only interested in blood, not Truth.
I said it, whoever is interested in investigating the ayat I referred to is welcome to go pick a copy of Tarjuman al-Quran by Maulana Maududi and look up the episodes about Adam’s creation and Iblees’ refusal to do sajda. Go ahead if you are so truly motivated.
Besides, go further ahead and read history. The Jews came to ask the Prophet peace be upon him several trick questions. One was, “What is Rooh?” IN THE QURAN YOU CAN FIND THE ANSWER. Allah advised the Prophet, and I repeat the Quranic words in Urdu, “Rooh to faqat Amar-e-Rabbi hai.”
English translation: “Spirit is the deed/ work of Allah.”
Hzzrat Isa is called “Rooh Allah” – have we never heard of that?
There is a prayer of the Prophet – a masnoon dua – which says Allah fill me with your Noor. The prayer goes on to request that our bodies, blood, everything is filled with Allah’s Noor. Have we never read that in our panj-Sura? If not, how is it someone else’s fault?
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And a true Sufi will fight for truth tooth & nail – weakness is not what Muslims are made of. Courage is what makes Islam a complete deen – for courage is the basis of Jihad and Amar-e B’il maroof va nahi a’nil Munkir. What kind of argument is that a person who argues or fights back is NOT a person of the Tareeqa (or is not a righteous Muslims)? Who were the mujahideen of Badr then? Violent people? They were true blue Muslims who fought for the Truth. Imam Hussein fought for the truth against the jahalat of those who called themselves Muslims too, but were mired in ignorance. Ignorance is a behavior. No one gets up on this Earth with a kalima professing to ignorance. Even Ibless calls Allah his Lord – read the Quran where he takes Allah’s PERMISSION to misguide people. He never disbelieved in Allah, he swore on Allah to misguide people until the end of Time and Allah permitted him.
Will you call me a misguided person for saying that? Just because YOU never had time to read the Quran?
You know this whole blog could be about Disneyland buying Safari Park, and Bill Gates being behind it all. The content is not the point.
What is truly scary is the way information has been put together on hearsay, and much more troubling is the way people are constructing their arguments. Imagine we all writing to Disneyland saying, “Hey we heard you’re buying our Safari Park? You’re killing the environment!” And they copy/pasting their replies to which one of the aqalmands here concluding: “Disneyland is sending a ditto reply to us all. This means they are buying Safari Park, and it’s Bill Gates behind this.” Subhan’Allah! What a reason to condemn someone!
It is awful to have an angry mob of truly stupid people unable to investigate the truth, following every rumor, and ready to kill or want to kill.
People, if you fear Allah, wake up for your own sake! USE YOUR OWN BRAIN. Don’t even listen to me. Assume I am a qadiyani and the devil himself. (I am not bothered, Allah knows me.)
Go, pick up your favorite translation of the Quran and READ. READ till you find your answer. Read till you know the truth you are seeking. Read. Read so you may be able to tel liars apart from the honest, misguided apart from the rightly guided. READ so you may know and no next person can fool you. Go ahead, invest your time and effort if it really bothers you. Don’t worry, at the end of it, Allah is NOT going to ask you how many ppl you were able to damn to hell. This remains Allah’s prerogative, mind you own job which is to KNOW THE TRUTH.
wow!syeda bibi (@know)
what a translation.I must admit that i didn’t read this kind of translation.
Allah Hu Noor us Samawaat e Wa-al Ardh
is it mean that(nauz o billah)these star,planets,sky and mountains are the continuation of ALLAH?
OR
It means that these are paragon of creativity from ALLAH(SWT)
is it the reason that yousuf kazzab called him self “the continuation of noor e mohammadi” (maaz allah)
please don’t tell me who you are.give me the verse no and
surah,which i still not able to see from your posts.
tasauwuf is the way to purify oneself in order to please ALLAH(SWT), not an excuse to by pass shaiyah.
that is why it is said that TAREEQAT is under and within the limits of SHAREEAT.(not above and beyond)
junaid baghdadi(rehmatullah aleh) once said that if you saw a person flying in the sky or walking over waters,comes to you and does some thing against shariyah then you should punish him because a wooden piece can float over waters and a fly can fly well in the air.
Doc Awab:
I think the above discussion is near conclusion. There is no doubt left that:
1. ZZH was a “sahabi” and promoter of Yusuf Kazzab (that is why he is encouraging his supporter now to defend the false prophet instead of clearly declaring that his being associated with him was a grave mistake or black patch of his life and now he regrets it)
2. Being defended by the likes of Ahmed Qureshi and PFTT guys it is established that he is an ISI agent. A couple of days ago he even dared to say in his program that “ghazwa-i-hind” will be fought by Pak Army! He is defending the rape of Pakistan by the generals who are being paid by American CIA for the so-called war on terror.
I would like to request you to write a concluding remark and close this discussion now.
For the supporters of Yusuf Kazzab and ZZH it would be enough to state QAALU SALAMA as they are those JAHILOON whose hearts are dead and have been sealed by Allah (SWT). Neither they can see the truth about Islam nor Pakistan.
@ Dr Jawwad:
Sorry dear, I didn’t say continuation. Did I? But what I can say is this, that if one says they “carry on” the spirit, then an idiot has all the possibility to misinterpret that. Open the dictionary, and investigate the meanings of words. People do have a poor grasp of literary terms in this neck of the woods.
Spirit means the spirit – like spirit of courage, spirit of sportsmanship, spirit of generosity. It does not mean spirit as in soul transferring, which is absurd. So if a person says the words “I carry the spirit of Mohammad peace be upon him” then 1: s/he should know an idiot can overhear and be prepared for the consequences. 2. It means the spirit of sidq, righteousness, generosity or whatever. It does not the kind of spirit we see let loose in Indian movies after a person’s death.
I recommend that we should all continue the spirit of the Prophet and carry that within us! Each single Muslim should have the spirit of the Prophet.
Go translate that in common sense speak! After all every Moharram Muslims speak of continuing the spirit of Imam Hussain? Never heard of that?
But I won’t speak for Yusuf Kazzab or Sadiq whatever he was. I only worry about the idiotic arguments here, and the utter lack of understanding of tasawwuf.
Finally I agree on the Shariah part. But of course! *Eye roll*
So I am not afraid to admit that I think that Yusuf was possibly a man who was wronged – after all no one invited me to investigate his case and only this blog reminded I read this story years ago. No conclusions. At the very least, even if he was a kazzab claimer to prophethood, then that’s his problem – it’s not the problem of Sufis or tasawwuf in general which this blog un-rightfully and ignorantly makes it to be. Both he and ZZH also happen to be men and Pakistanis. Now should we declare all males/ Pakistanis are liable to suspicion and going to hell? (We never know!)
I don’t care if there was an article against him in Jasarat or in New York Times. They are papers, they are not judgments from God, and they are often written by men with personal agendas. Even human courts could be wrong. My job is to make up my own mind and I am fully capable of doing that even if 6 billion people say otherwise.
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And now let’s assume I am the Devil. And a Jew who accepted Qadyanism in a Hindi temple. I eat crows. Well, how is that anyone’s problem? Does that disturb the iman of the pious? Is that how fragile the faith is? Then it is no faith at all if a TV program or a blog or comments on the blog can change that! There are people here whimpering that they believed in ZZH when they watched him, and a single reading of the blog changed their minds. Subhan’Allah! And what if tomorrow someone can cook together a proof that the blogger here belongs to a cult from Mars? What will the lovely readers do? Start crying again? “OOOOOHHHHHH this blogger lied! Ooooh, my heart is broken! Ooooooooh!”
Try making Allah the focus of your imaan sometime, and then you won’t lose your heart like a 13-yr old kid. (Sorry – did I just insult the 13-yr olds? All kids in my class at that age were very mature and laughed at such nonsense as has transpired on this page. We used to go to the library and talk and discuss before reaching a conclusion.)
As long as this society or any society asks the wrong questions, they get the wrong answers. Who is ZZH? Who is or was Yusuf? Where else is CIA or ISI reaching?
Well, the real question to ask is: WHO AM I? What am I doing here? What is my belief? Why am I such a terribly educated soul that a TV anchor can tell me one thing about the world and convince me of his view – and then one day a blogger can sway me otherwise? Am I blind? What knowledge do I have? What if there was no one to TELL ME WHAT TO THINK – what would my brain be doing then?
Why is it so that if I meet a qadyani/ Jew/ Mullah/ hindu/ devil/ archangel in disguise, I can’t tell the difference between a truth and a lie? What does that tell about my knowledge and character?
Go ahead. If you have courage, ask yourself these questions. Go ahead. Truth won’t disappear if you investigate.
STOP ASKING DR AWAB TO CLONCLUDE OR START – he is not an authority on anything except teeth. He is a dentist, not God. He is not an intelligence agency, this blog states that he started thinking about the whole issue when a FRIEND pointed the whole thing out. Don’t ask ZZH for answers. He could be a Muslim or a kafir and in either case he will keep on lying or telling the truth – IT DOES NOT MATTER. It’s stupid to ask a possible liar to clarify his position. Why not ask him, “Hey, we think you’re a kazzab associate. Can we kill you or try getting someone else to do that?” Imagine the answer he’ll give!
Grow up, be an adult Muslim. Focus on what Allah created you for and stop indulging in rumor-spreading, conjecture, buhtan, delusion.
Start learning yourself about the truth of life, stop having delusions about conspiracies, refer to the Quran directly there is NO BAN ON THAT, no one will stop you except your own ego. Go ahead, pick a Quran. GO AHEAD!
@ Dr Jawwad:
Here you go:
“Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: I am about to create man from clay. When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.” (38:71-72)
Lone Ranger found and posted that reference (thank, LR!) – but here you go again:
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1212925246967
In the case of Yusuf Ali, I feel that he may have made some statements which must have confused his audience just as the man asking the question on the URL above is. This is because of
1. poor education in Pakistan and people’s tendency to rely on others to solve their mental queries rather than on personal understanding.
2. Semantic difference. The word “prophet,” for instance is commonly used in English for anyone who gives news of the future. Whereas many Pakistanis have only heard of this word with regards to Prophets (the Divinely appointed kind). Rooh or spirit have the same case.
It is fair to wonder, but not fair to start killing people or believing people should be killed BEFORE reaching an answer for one’s self – and indeed usually not even after. No one is an authority unto themselves according to Divine Law except Allah. Therefore the Qur’an is there – it is direct and accessible.
Don’t ask dentists or TV anchors or anonymous commentators to clarify your deen for you – are these people the kind of people any sane person would turn to on issues of deen, especially when it starts to involve blood? Is that what Allah has taught us? Is that what the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the deen for? The deen is completed – sorry, don’t try to create new divine messengers and prophets. I am called a qadyani which means I must believe there ought to be some guy claiming to be a Prophet / Messenger (I think that’s the belief – I haven’t wasted much of my lifetime affirming or negating other people). Well, then why in the other breath am I asked for showing the light of deen?
If you are truly Muslim, which I believe you are, learn for yourself. If not in the age of fitna, then when? This is the ultimate lesson of this blog: IF YOU DO NOT LEARN DIRECTLY – FOR YOURSELF – THEN ANYONE CAN DEFINE YOUR WORLD FOR YOU. Anyone. It is entirely possible that most anchors are driven by secret money. It is also entirely possible they are driven by no more than sheer stupidity. It is also entirely possible they are driven by the human urge to share news or knowledge. Anything is possible. That’s not the problem. YOU ARE YOUR PROBLEM AND RESPONSIBILITY. Your ‘maamla’ (affair) is between you and Allah. Correct that! Don’t ask people on the highway for directions.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit
It is perfectly logical and possible that a person can use the word spirit in the 3rd, 5th, 6th or 8th sense of the word as defined on the link above as on the time that this comment is published (web pages evolve!).
3: temper or disposition of mind or outlook especially when vigorous or animated
5 a: the activating or essential principle influencing a person b: an inclination, impulse, or tendency of a specified kind : mood
6 a: a special attitude or frame of mind b: the feeling, quality, or disposition characterizing something
8: a person having a character or disposition of a specified nature
AND IT IS ALSO entirely possible for a lesser aware person to translate that into any of these senses:
1: an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms2: a supernatural being or essence: as acapitalized : holy spirit b: soul
2a c: an often malevolent being that is bodiless but can become visible ; specifically : ghost 2 d: a malevolent being that enters and possesses a human being
4: the immaterial intelligent or sentient part of a person
This kind of understanding is one that tasawwuf addresses often such as through the story of 4 blind men and the elephant – or the four men who all wanted grapes, but each wanted it in a different language and hence all of them fought, unable to understand one another.
These are Sufi stories, known to most Pakistani children familiar with Urdu literature – and they were told to share the nature of the limited capacity of human understanding.
For the sake of Truth, stop yourselves before declaring something as serious as sidq or kazb. Before deciding about someone’s imaan. Ask your heart if it is comfortable? Ask yourself why are you doing it anyway? Are you doing it to serve Allah? How are whatever you’re doing or saying improving your relationship with Allah?
May Allah protect our imaan and give us the spirit of relentless pursuit of Absolute Truth. Aameen.
breath taking!
one think i still couldn’t understand that why sufis go to such limits where a minor push can lead to brink of the hell,as someone also said in jungle or desert,either you can be waliullah or you can be the companian of shaitan.why they preach such terminologies which can be easily misinterptated.
no one can disagree with you except the last part.I strongly believe that @teeth maestro is doing a great job.
he provided a forum which not only keep us welinformed but also we can see different kinds views (you may not like)
we can raise questions and we can answer
it is unjust to say that this forum spread the rumors after all we are asking the questions to whom?
not an ordinory person of any belief.we are asking about the crdibility who have great influence in our people.
is it irresponsible act?
i think @dr awab and @teeth maestro are doing great job
lots of regards and prayers for both of you.
@know
creation of adam(pbuh) is a well known phenomenon bringing a lifeless body into living human being.
” rooh ” here used for ORDER of ALLH(SWT. the word “spirit”
can not represent the phenomenon of creation of adam.
the arabic word “AMR” is close to rooh in this verse.
please do not go througfh dictionaries when it comes to QURAN.
also when you read the hadeeth of sahee muslim in which it is narrated that ” angels are created from the noor, jinnat from ” maarij min nar” and human “salsalin kalfakhar” (from clay.
(kitab uzzohad bab hadeeth e mutafarriqa)
” In the case of Yusuf Ali, I feel that he may have made some statements which must have confused his audience just as the man asking the question on the URL above is. This is because of
1. poor education in Pakistan and people’s tendency to rely on others to solve their mental queries rather than on personal understanding.
2. Semantic difference. The word “prophet,” for instance is commonly used in English for anyone who gives news of the future. Whereas many Pakistanis have only heard of this word with regards to Prophets (the Divinely appointed kind). Rooh or spirit have the same case.
is it a defence of yousuf kazzab?
semantic difference?……my foot
he was convicted by court of law and please don’t say that your judgement is better than a qualified justice of high court as it make me laugh.
“Anyone. It is entirely possible that most anchors are driven by secret money”
dear @know isn’t a slander?
do you know what quran says about “slandering”
tell me about you. what is your driving force?
any way i must admit that you gave the best defence ever to yousuf kazzab.
SAF CHUPTEY BHEE NAHEEN SAMNEY AATEY BHEE NAHEEN
Assallam aleikum, this criticism of zaid Hamid is unwarranted and based on untruth. I cannot see his picture or his resemblance standing next to Yusuf Kazzab as claimed by the writer. This is simply a fabricated story and could have been motivated by simple jealousy, something that is greatly increased in pakistanis.
I am afraid that I would have to consider that in this particular case, the author of this story is simply lying.
I have not met Zaid Hamid, nor do I know any one who has met him or knows him. His web site was emailed to me by my nephew living in Pakistan and until that time I had not heard of him.
What he says is plausible and supported by facts, especially his mentioning of the templars in one of his videos. Since I have an active interest in crusades, and the Knights templar, I do know that what he says is true.
No I am a not a historian but a simple well qualified technocrat. Khalid S.
Do I notice that the followers of ZZH don’t forget to mention that they are “well qualified technocrat” , “educated expatriots” , another interesting point I notice is that they don’t forget to mention that they have never met ZZH blah blah…
Also it was interesting to read @know comments , she insisted reading Quran as if nobody reads it except her, and somehow I felt as if she is saying
Go ahead, pick a Quran. GO AHEAD!…. and you will find ??????
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there are a lot of people reading and understanding Quran for centuries, I am sure Dr. Jawwad might have good understanding of Quran too as it appears from his comments (of course “Good” is relative to my understanding) .. but what I want to mention is that he does not boost about his Quranic Knowledge.
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As for my personal opinion , I remember I heard ZZH almost an year back in one of his program , and truthfully speaking I had a very hearty laugh and was extremely amused not only by his arguments but his expressions , and believe me somebody else also had the same laugh , check out 4man show who have produced gem that gives his (ZZH) best representation.
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/10/28/bolta-pakistan-28-october-2008/
@ This anti-Zaid Hamid blog has become so lethargic,
lazy and without interest, they repeat 24000 times
the same bloody argument and falsified routine papras,
i think they have lost totally against Mr Hamid
though they came with Qadianis,seculars, Marxists,
Roshakhayalis, progressivists and all the jerks of the
world, but they failed, sorry you have all lost.
filamaan.
@ Sara
“Latest Article by Mr. Zaid Hamid:”
I went through this article and read it thoroughly. Pls read this part of article and see this “Dalal” of khaki “Heejras” is using the word violate. It has been proved that the US drones do come to Pakistan with the permission of Pakistan army and government of Pakistan. Now what does violate means? Sara don’t you have a set of bangles to send to those who has given permission to the US. If you gona Send Pls also send a set for their Dalal Zaid Zaman Hamid.
“To complicate matters for Islamabad, U.S. drones continue to violate Pakistan’s air space and attack inside Pakistan on random targets of their choice without any concern for civilian losses or political or social crisis for Islamabad.”
@ Dr. Jawad:
Thank you for appreciating my “defense.”
It is quite clear, and I have no shame in saying that, I do not entirely feel Yusuf Ali was a Kazzab or claimed to Prophethood at all. I feel he was a man whose language was misconstrued – and I have given references from the Quran and from human dictionaries. You don’t want to accept it, go ahead, that’s your prerogative. I am sure it’s a genuine concern for any Muslim flowing out of the love of Prophet peace be upon him, and I understand that. I also think that at the same time, we honor Allah’s Law and the teaching of the Prophet if we leave matters of doubt, as the Prophet taught us. The Qur’an itself says when in Jihad, if a person says “Salaam!” don’t kill them just because you’re suspicious they are kafirs pretending to be Muslims (it was when arab Muslims were confused when fighting with Arab kafirs – no way to tell the difference). Human life is a sensitive matter, so I would exercise caution before spreading a poorly-researched conjecture.
If Allah were to ask me for my opinion personally, I would reply the same. After all, it is in the spirit of shahadat to speak the truth from one’s own point of view.
If there is a murder in my neighborhood, and everyone “knows” it’s the gambler living alone in the street who killed the old woman across his house – and I DID NOT WITNESS this, I would say in the court that I do not know if this man is the murderer and I would not say he is not either. (Though in that case, I’d be highly suspicious that he is, but that’s not admissible in human court – in the court of my heart, I can declare him guilty.)
If they were to ask my opinion of his character, though, I’d say it is likely not a responsible one.
Sheherbano Khan,
very well identified.
These bastard Generals have hijacked Pakistan Army and looks like Zaid Hamid as cashing-in as PR mouth piece.
@ Dr Jawad:
If we have an issue with Allah using the word Rooh as Allah pleases, it is appropriate that the matter is taken up with Allah directly if possible? I am not responsible for Allah, Allah is sufficient for His choice.
All languages, by the way, belong to Allah. To Allah belong the east and the West! (02:115) English is a language under the command of Allah as any other language, for Allah says all things come from and return to Allah. Isn’t that Tawheed? What else is Tawheed?
And I will go to a dictionary or a rock to understand Truth. I will go to China, and I will dig up Earth. I will watch how leaves grow, and how people die. How night comes from day, and life from death (e.g. tree from seed). Because Allah has commanded so in the Qur’an. THAT is the job of Muslim, to investigate. Not shy from the search of Truth. What do we fear? We will find something else? We will AMREEKA behind the machinations of this Universe, or a giant turtle, or a man who’s holding the globe up?
I know that wherever we look, we shall see the Face of Allah. Therefore, I am not afraid to refer to anything.
002.115
YUSUFALI: To Allah belong the East and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing.
PICKTHAL: Unto Allah belong the East and the West, and whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah’s Countenance. Lo! Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
Dr. Awab is amongst my friends, which is why I withheld my comments on this blog for a long time until I realized it may be a dis-service to truth. (It took for me to be insired by an Imam Sahib’s lecture on truth to be prompted to comment here.) I believe Dr. Awab’s heart is in the right place, but not his method – esp. with this particular post.
I also hope that if I do something wrong publicly and allow my opinion to prevail, he or another Muslim (or for that matter any human who sees the truth, for Truth is not subject to human will) has the courage to stop me there and then and correct me.
This is the Muslim ethic. Our greatest allegiance is to Allah, not to people.
And the other reason I withheld my comment was that I did not think I could do justice to the subject. But may Allah cover my flaws and whatever the truth may be, it emerges. Aameen.
Musharraf has committed crime against humanity to please his western masters.
Dr. Afia has done PHD in Bio-Technology from USA Like wise Dr. Abdul Qadeer studied Nuclear Technology from Holland.
America thinks both these people can be threat to it.
So with the help of Musharraf Dalal they disgraced Abdul Qadeer and banned him and the hero of the nation became prisoner in his own country.
Dr. Afia is also being falsely accused of rubbish stories just to held her in USA.
By the way your Musharraf Begharat was the one , who abducted Dr. Afia from her Karachi Residence and sold her to America for few dollars.
@know
i just asked for the refrence of the following phrase which was claimed to be “quran own words”
“Regarding this in my earlier comment:
*Quran’s own words: Allah said, “We put some of our
noor in Adam/ bashar.”
This is the English translation of what Maulana Maudidi
has interpreted in his Urdu Tarjuman-ul-Quran
but you gave the refrence of another verse which was a very well known verse of sura saad(similar matter also described in other places in quran) because of that we distracted again.
lols, i didn’t admire the defence.It was a satirical gesture.
“MISCONSTRUED, SEMANTIC DIFFERENCE,POOR UNDERSTANDING”
Again i shall say that he was convicted by court of law.
and he was sentensed to death.You can not give him the benefit of doubt.we can be wrong,we may have the prejudice
but in courts only concrete evidences leads to capital punishment.
when i say don’t go through dictionaries it means that dictionaries are humanly work while the quran is a word of ALLAH(swt).even eloquent companions(raa) were dependent on rasool ullah to understand the true meanings of quran at many places and you indulged your self in the research on “TRANSLATION”…… ???
yes this is true that all languages belong to ALLAH(SWT) but arabic is the language HE chose to adress the mankind.
therefore one(even arabs) should be very careful when it comes to word of ALLAH(swt)
human life is a sensitve issue but i believe for any true muslim “iman” is more sensitive issue than life.
iman is not a mountain which can not be shaken.iman is like a moon(some time more some time less) for most of the people like me.there fore it is duty of every muslim to strive against any fitna emerging from our neighborhood,street, city and anywhere in country.uprooting of qadiyaniat is a noble example for every pakistani.
“@know
Pls just tell was and is Zaid Hamid associated with cult of Yousaf Kazzab or not?
Only yes or know, we are not gona read your Aen Baen Shaen
@know
also please tell us qadiyani or ahmedis are muslim or not?????
only yes or no
yes,we are not gona read your Aen Baen Shaen
Guys, I request you all.. please close this topic now. We are discussing very sensitive issues here behind screen names.. no one is an expert on these topics but we are just trying to prove something..Guys… Pakistan Army and its agencies may be bad or wrong but they are from ourselves.. we can fight each other and settle but dont insult our country and our dignity on this Internet global village!
its very easy to talk about anything by hiding the indentities but please see the larger picture.
I am sorry for the lecture but you all guys are intelligent.. please use your own common sense.
Many thanks
Guys, I request you all.. please close this topic now. We are discussing very sensitive issues here behind screen names.. no one is an expert on these topics but we are just trying to prove something..Guys… Pakistan Army and its agencies, zaid hamid and all others may be bad or wrong like you are trying to prove… but they all are from ourselves.. things can be settled otherwise but please dont insult our country and our dignity on this Internet global village!
its very easy to talk about anything by hiding the indentities but please see the larger picture.
I am sorry for the lecture but you all guys are intelligent.. please use your own common sense.
Many thanks
Every Body watch 4man show doing comedy on zaid Zaman.
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/10/28/bolta-pakistan-28-october-2008/
Sorry Previous link was not correct
4 Man Team brings a fresh and hilarious episode of 4 Man Show with Zaid Zaman Hamid
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/10/20/4-man-show-20-october-2008/
“@ Talha
When these ZZ Hamidain have no answer left with them they advise us to not post more on the issue as they are from us. Being taxpayers, Pakistan Army and ISI is our army and we just criticize its newly adopted role of mercenary force of Jews and USA. As for as Zaid Hamid is concerned, we oppose him due to two crimes he has been committing. The first one is his past association with yousaf Kazzab and his efforts to facilitate him to escape from the country to Afghanistan. Unfortunately ZH hasn’t disowned himself from Kazzab’s thought yet. Secondly ZZH is supporting ARMY’S role as US and Jews’ mercenary although he pretends to be barking against JEWs. I hope it is clear now.
@Khanlala
If you are really interested where one stands religiously. why don’t you go investigate Maulana Tahir-ul-Qadri?
Just on the internet for now I guess. And more if you have the means.
“@Arshad Khan
Do you mean Maulana Tahir-ul-Qadri is from Kazzab’s party? Does Dr Qadri talk on phone while offering prayers with Jama’at? Does he ask his followers to marry with girl already in someone else Nikkah? Does he ask his followers to send their wives before suhaaj raat to have with Him (naauzubilah) safar-e-Miraj? Does he tells that Nabi’s “rooh” in him and he is the present day Muhammad (Nauzubillah) Does he say a peer (man) his and others Rabb? What else does he do cause the dirty face of Kazzab is so long and ugly? I hope Dr Qadri possess none of these qualities. and if you think he has investigate that and tell us, we will fight against him the way we have fought against Kazzab and now against his news dirty face Zaid Hamid.
All allegations. Please go investagate Maulana Tahir-ul Qadri.
If you already know him.
Then I think I know where you stand.
It doesn’t work in my office. can you paste here the text of this Khwab? i’ll appreciate if your share with me and other bloggers.
just watch it its 6 parts.
The is very old like from 70’s. There is so much there I don’t think I can put it in words.
He says he saw prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) who came to pakistan. He (pbuh) started to leave because no body was there to be his host except Mr. Tahir Qadri. so tahir Qadri begs to Him (pbup) to stay. Eventually (pbup) agrees and then say i will stay with you for seven days if you pay for it or something like that (NAUZOBILLAH)
JUST WATCH ALL 6 CLIPS ON YOU TUBE WHEN YOU HAVE TIME THEN WE WILL TALK.
MAY ALLAH GUIDE US TO THE RIGHT PATH. AMEEN.
I DONT MEAN TO DIVERT PEOPLE ATTENTION FROM ZAID HAMID.
BUT WE HAVE TO TRY TO SEE A BIG PICTURE. BEFORE ACCUSING PEOPLE OF ANYTHING. AND PROTECT OUR OWN EMAN.
this is no place to discuss tahirul qadri, aamir liaquat or gobar shahi. we have and could have many other blogs on him. this blog and discussion is on zaid kazzab (khalifah of yusuf kazzab) lanatullah alaih.
it was a grave mistake on the part of khatme nabuwwat tehrik and other petitioners against yusuf kazzab that they did not followed the case after his death and his lanati followers were let loose. this time inshallah we will not repeat the same mistake. zaid kazzab and each of his bloody followers (their names and addresses already listed) will be brought to the court of justice and INSHALLAH THEY WILL MEET THE SAME FATE AS THAT OF THE MARDOOD KAZZAB.
@Lone Lone Ranger
We are trying to get to the truth here as you say (or I say). Then we shouldn’t pick and choose what to discuss here.
INSHALLAH ZAID HAMID WILL MEET THE FATE HE DESERVE AND SO WILL WE.
@Arshad
you are here to defend zaid kazzab (lanatullah alaih), not to get to the truth as you claim. Go tell your khalifah we are coming after him.
Even his recent paymasters have decided to dump him!
If he wants to save his bloody ass it would be better for him to challenge the yusuf kazzab case in a superior court and prove that he was wrongly sentenced to death. there is nothing left to argue that he was not associated with that kazzab and is still his khalifah.
what i make of this, that this guy is no longer associated with that cult no? anyway thanks for posting an eye opening article. :}