I share with you a five-part series of the talk show Brass Tacks televised on TV One, the interview is of Mr. Zaid Hamid who shares his opinions on the global banking problems in light of historical understanding. He has some strong arguments, definitely worth a listen. Your views would be interesting to read in the comments section below
Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YrT82vsHH7EPart 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZ01dfOjLM
Part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahncZddT90wPart 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q784DMZmysIPart 5
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tmRWxaXFW3g
Comments
172 responses to “Economic Terrorism – by Zaid Hamid”
Type up "protocols of zions" in ur search engine. ull find a lot of material that validates Mr. Zaids theories.and yes also research about the "crusades", "templers" or "knights of the secret order" . Maybe the information that u research will open ur eyes to his theories or insights.
Iam not providing any specific links here as i dunt want 2 act biased by any means nonetheless i have spelt out the important keywords which may be helpfull in ur research.
May Allah (swt) open our eyes and show all of us the right path amen.
Character assisination !!
That presumes that Zaid has character !!
From his absolute certainty that Kasab was a hindu (which has now been proven incorrect) to his rantings that Pakistan should continue to send terrorists into India – well…. I have no problems with the deluded jehadi supporter.
Continue to listen to him. He is doing more damage to Pakistan than RAW ever could. Maybe we should recommend him for a Bharat Ratna…
Oh – and the "Protocols of Zion" were proved to be a forgery more than 60 years ago !!!
Oh yes…. and it's high time that you guys woke up and stopped blaming all your problems on "secret societies". Let's face facts here… Pakistan is a gutter of a nation. At this point in time, you are close to being a basket case. Do you REALLY think that ANYONE would be interested in you?
The SWAT valley is out of your hands. Talibanis are buring schools and scaring girls to stay indoors…. clean up that mess first (and guess what – freemasons, aliens, little green men or santa claus – blame anyone you want to)
My dear friend desi munda
I really dont know whether i should pity ur ignorance or laugh @ ur hate filled sarcasm. Nonetheless if ur talkin abt swat valley or any other region of Pakistan u should 1st be aware abt Pakistans history. The Pakistanis are a tolerant people and any 1 persons opinion does not represent the state's point of view. Getting back to Ajmal Kasab's issue, do u have any idea there are more than 65 terrorist camps currently operating in India. Do u for that matter take them as representatives of ur state? If u are aware abt the Indo Pak history many of these militants originate from the civilian riots that took place after Pakistan and India were declared soverign states. These people were personally hurt in one way or another after independance. True, the repurcursions of war or the aftermath could be deadly for both sides and that is exactly what we Pakistanis have been suffering from a long time now.
What do u think breeds militancy?
Have u ppl ever tried to answer that question?
Do u have any idea abt the sufferings of the people of Kashmir?
I do not support terrorism of any form (whether it be international terrorism like American and Israeli conflict in Gaza, or local terrorism in the form of militancy )
1 more thing death brings more death (iam reffering to what is happening in kashmir forgive my bluntness but it is high time that kashmiri people be given their right of freedom)
U n me can talk freely because we are living in an independant state without fearing abt a bomb hitting our houses. But what do u think these people have to go through each n everyday.
Do u seriously think any1 would be so stupid to go in2 a war not considering his family and children.I certainly wont and Subhan Allah I am a muslim. A person only goes to war when the very life of his loved 1's are at stake.
Mark my words this is only the begining hate brings more hate and death brings more death if this international terrorism is not put 2 an end u ppl will hear such a cry that this world has never heard before and dont underestimate the power of the muslim spirit.
As far as these little green men, santa claus or free masons or wateva u call them. They exist. Not exactly in the pixie like form that u consider them 2 be but rather as human beings just like u n me. and yes they also control the media and the minds of most through it. As far as the revocation of the "Protocols of Zion" is considered kindly send me the link or document or wateva valid source u have that testifies this fact and i will believe u. Otherwise I believe I have made my point very clear.
1 more thing in ur own words "they prefer to blame, blame and blame, there is NO self-introspection, no form of analysis, no usage of the grey cells ". How much of this statement have u ever applied on urself.
Well…. we do plenty of introspection. If India did not do any, we would not find a hindu group guilty of the Samjhauta bombings would we?
Now let's look at Pakistan. First, you refused to accept Kasab was a Paki. Then it was – he was kidnapped from Nepal. Now, that it is proved he is a Paki – the next thing was – he is dead. Well.. he's alive.
So let me guess…. the next ploy would be …. the attacks were planned by someone else? And in the meanwhile, allow the terrorists to function.
Masood Azhar roams freely in Pakistan – yet when asked to arrest him – your people claim he has disappeared. Very nice.
You get bombed by the Americans every day. Do you know why? TERRORISTS IN YOUR TERRITORY !!
We, in India have far too many problems. The last thing we need is a useless basket case in our neighbourhood where people talk about using nuclear weapons as if it was going to the local halwai to buy jalebis !!
The fact that you Pakis and those jahil Arabs continue to believe in forgeries like the Protocols of Zion is amazing. I'd suggest you look it up on wikipedia. The full name is Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Forged by the Russians in the late 1800s – the Arabs and the mindless Mullahs seem to have made it mainstream documents for you guys.
What's even more amazing is the likes of Zaid Hamid talking about the need to nuke India and Israel. Not only does he need a dose of reality – but I honestly wish – that you do what he says.
You've done it in the past when you killed more than a million Bengalis and raped more than 200,000 women repeatedly. It's a shame we did not try your 90,000 PoWs for war crimes and hang them.
Introspection is a funny word. You guys still believe that Kargil was caused by Mujahideen – when – 6 months later – Musharraf gave gallantry awards to more than 60 of your armymen – for something that they did not participate in. Funny – isn't it?
Now, India may have 65 terrorist camps or it may have 100 or it may have none. However, terrorists do not go to Pakistan from there. Neither does our government support it. Your government, on the other hand, is full of people who openly support Taliban.
Wake up and sort yourselves out before you destroy yourself. And blame it on the world if you want to – but at the end of the day – Pakistan's biggest problem is Pakistanis !!!
Islam is 1500 years old or if you called Prophet Ibrahim a Muslim then could be 10,000 years but regarding our today's religious belief, i have come to conclusion that most of it has developed over the last 500 to 700 years.
Mainly during the reign of Ottoman's empire for Sunni ( Hanafia) religious belief and for Ahl-e- tashee during Safavid empire of Al-abbas
The official patronization of one school of thought has developed a generation with a unique religio-politico-social culture
In Indo- Pak region we can find during the Humayun Era the persian – khurasan culture was florishing mainly because Humayun lived 9 years in exile in Asfahan, we can also see the Nawabs of Lahknow and Awad got big piece of land in reward when Humayun got back to throne
We can see the persian influence on Urdu literature which was at that time in making. In fact the Farsi was the official language of Mughal empire.
Then came the 17th and 18th century Arab nationalism brought revolt against Ottomans, again based on Wahabism
whose slogan was purification of religion, finally the Ottoman got collapsed in 1924
This wave of purification of religion reached India and a new Maslak the Deobandi was formed which is Arabic-socio-political culture in it essence.
The society began to divide between Persian and Arabic socio-religious culture
After 1947 in a new country Pakistan, the founders had to face this cultural divide, let it be clear the Persian culture is not just of the ahl-e-tashee, majority of sunni muslim (Barailvy maslak) have their sufi mystical thoughts are the blend of Persian and Turkish(Ottoman) culture
This blend of culture have already shown resistance against Arabic religio-politics in the name of
KHILAFAT MOVEMENT of Molana Mohd. Ali Jauhar before 1947.
In todays Pakistan the majority province of Punjab which was historically stayed aside of the mainstream politics of India for about 100 or more years mostly under Ranjit singh Khalsa rule has started to define its own cultural affiliation
The forces backed Arabic religio-social order started to influence this majority (62%)population province, which are in general rejected by the rest of the population of Pakistan
We can see the development of Tablighee Jamat to Laskar-e-Tayaba all have their roots in Arabic socio-religious political culture, belong to Punjab, they were patronized by Zia ul Haq Arain a Punjabi speaking dictator.
A recent report published in The daily Times said,that over 90% of the suicide bombers were Punjabi.
This religio-political activism of Punjab whether it is in the name of LAL MASJID or Ch. Iftikhar of Judiciary backed by Mr. Nawaz Sharif of PML(N) is actually under the influence of Arabic-religio-political culture.
In order to minimise or to overcome these forces it is high time to divide Punjab into two provinces so that it will no more enjoys the liberty of having a decisive majority in the national interest for the sake of the integrity of the Pakistan
Best of regards
Ameed Khan
My dear friend desimunda
Forgive me for my late reply. I just read ur post today, not only are ur arguements biased but i belive u sound as if 2 wrongs make a rite. Wat happened with the bengali women was pathetic, not 2 metion how many pakistani women were brutally raped by the sikh and indian soldiers during the partition of Pakistan and India. But do u think this justifies wat is happening in Kashmir and Gaza. Sorry 2 say but u sound as if the indians are taking revenge of the bengalis on kashmiri ppl!!!
Nonetheless i hope u think this is justified. As far as Kasab is concerned wat do u think was happening in lhr when ur RAW agents were caught conspiring in the middle of their plot. Dont u think those elements shld have been tried in court for their heinous intentions. Nonetheless they were handed over 2 ur RAW agency all in goodwill.
As far as Taliban is concerned do u know wat does taliban mean. It means students. The taliban are a student of islamic study, never did i ever say that they truly represent Islam in full spirit.
What turned these students in2 rebelions? Or shld i ask who gave these students weapons? It was ur beloved ally the United States of America that used these very students to destroy Russia. And after accomplishing their mission "khuday lined" or sidelined both Pakistan and Afghanistan. What was even worse they imposed an embargo on Afghanistan after the war.
As far as the suicide bombings are concerned do u know there is currently a mosque in New York that is heavily funded by the state of Israel. The Imam of that mosque is a mushriq (hypocrite) who is serving the ploy of Israel. All he has 2 do is prophesize in front of the orphan children that the hoorain (angelic women) in heaven are waiting for them and that they have 2 serve as a human bombshell in order to attain their heavenly status. Do u think these innocent children understand the bigger plot of their israeli murshids. These ppl are here to demonize Islam in its will and spirit. Nonetheless wat they dont understand is the fact that muslims world over do understand the true meaning of jihad. The biggest jihad is jihad nafs (meaning to learn to overcome the bodily temptation). Do u think this false propoganda against the muslim world can ever serve its purpose? The answer is No. Islam is a religion of peace and if u learn abt it u will come 2 know that our Holy Prophet (SAW) pardoned every1's life during the conquest of Mekkah. the muslim army was instructed specifically not to shed the blood of women and children, and all those who sought refuge in Abu Sufiyans house were pardoned. And the muslim army was given clear instructions not to raise their swords on any1 unless they were attacked upon. Do u think followers of such a religion would cause a threat to the world!!!
Nonetheless look at the modern scenario of the world from a fresh perspective. Muslims world over are deprived of their basic fundamental rights. And then they are branded as terrorist.
1 More thing do u on a practical note seriously think that with the kind of american surveilance which can spot an ant on the road. These americans are inspite of that not able 2 spot Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al Zawahereen. As a matter of fact now muslims the world over are beginning 2 doubt whether this Osama is really what he is or merely just an implanted agent of America and Israel.
But i belive that ur stolidness is a reflection of ur self analysis and introspectiveness. Think abt that….
1 more thing a countries nuclear arsenals are meant to prevent war not create war. U wisely pointed out that its not like going to a local halwai or jalebi wala. But just recently i was watching ur local channel doordarshan in which India gave sum 14 steps (chouda qadam) to destroy Pakistan, i.e first they are gonna nuke Karachi then they are gonna take lhr and eventually by the 14th step when Pakistan is eventually gonna retalite u ppl are gonna proclaim ceasefire like 71 do u seriously think after hearing all this bullcrap Pakistan is just gonna sit back and relax. Pakistan issued counter statements and evry1 in this world knows that Pakistan is gonna fight back if fired upon. So it would be really foolish on ur govts part if it resorts to such dirty measures. India knows it and the world knows it so my sincere advise to u would be "back off and live and let live".
RAW ' s infiltration in Pakistan
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Here is the article on RAW (the Indian Intelligence) and its activities against the nations of subcontinent.Raw has full swing and highly subversive activities regarding infiltrations in pakistan.Her main object is promotion of seperatist terrorist movements to disintegrate pakistan,as was done in bangla desh. It proves my point of how many Indian insurgents are actively supporting separatist movement in various parts of Pakistan . Read and be informed.Also send to friends, colleagues,audio-video medias,tv and radio channels,magazines,newspapers for its vast publicity in interest of solidarity of pakistan.
Research and Analysis Wing [RAW]
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The Cabinet Secretariat Research and Analysis Wing [RAW], India ' s most powerful intelligence agency, is India ' s external intelligence agency. RAW has become an effective instrument of India ' s national power, and has assumed a significant role in formulating India ' s domestic and foreign policies. RAW has engaged in disinformation campaigns, espionage and sabotage against Pakistan and other neighboring countries. RAW has enjoyed the backing of successive Indian governments in these efforts. Working directly under the Prime Minister, the structure, rank, pay and perks of the Research & Analysis Wing are kept secret from Parliament.
Terrorist activities in Pakistan attributed to the clandestine activities of Indian and Afghan intelligence agencies include:
A car bomb explosion in Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995 caused the deaths of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.
An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claimed the lives of seven persons and injured to over 34 others.
A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.
An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura hospital killed 9 persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.
An explosion near Alam chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 11 others.
A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.
On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi , killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.
A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad railway station passenger lounge on 08 July 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 20 others.
RAW executed a hijacking of an Indian Airliner to Lahore in 1971 which was attributed to the Kashmiris, to give a terrorist dimension to the Kashmiri national movement. However, soon the extent of RAW's involvement was made public.
Current policy debates in India have generally failed to focus on the relative priority given by RAW to activities directed against India ' s neighbors versus attention to domestic affairs to safeguard India ' s security and territorial integrity. The RAW has had limited success in dealing with separatist movements in Manipur and Tripura in the northeast, Tamil Nadu in the south, and Punjab and Kashmir in the northwestern part of the country. Indian sources allege the CIA has penetrated freedom fighters in Kashmir and started activities in Kerala, Karnataka, and other places, along with conducting economic and industrial espionage activities in New Delhi .
In 1968 India established this special branch of its intelligence service specifically targeted on Pakistan . The formation of RAW was based on the belief that Pakistan was supplying weapons to Sikh terrorists, and providing shelter and training to the guerrillas in Pakistan . Pakistan has accused the Research and Analysis Wing of sponsoring sabotage in Punjab, where RAW is alleged to have supported the Seraiki movement, providing financial support to promote its activities in Pakistan and organizing an International Seraiki Conference in Delhi in November-December 1993.
RAW has an extensive network of agents and anti-government elements within Pakistan , including dissident elements from various sectarian and ethnic groups of Sindh and Punjab . Published reports allege that as many as 35,000 RAW agents have entered Pakistan between 1983-93, with 12,000 are working in Sindh, 10000 in Punjab, 8000 in North West Frontier Province and 5000 in Balochistan. As many as 40 terrorist training camps at Rajasthan, East Punjab, Held Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and other parts of India are run by the RAW ' s Special Service Bureau (SSB).
Throughout the Afghan War, RAW was responsible for the planning and execution of terrorist activities in Pakistan to deter Pakistan from support of Afghan liberation movement against India ' s ally, the Soviet Union . The assistance provided to RAW by the KGB enabled RAW to arrange terrorist attacks in Pakistani cities throughout the Afghan War. The defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan did not end the role of RAW in Pakistan , with reports that suggest that India has established a training camp in the town of Qadian , in East Punjab , where non-Muslim Pakistanis are trained for terrorist activities. Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has blamed India for funding the current upsurge of terrorism in Pakistan , and senior ministers have blamed the Research and Analysis Wing for the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis which has resulted in thousands of deaths every year.
Terrorist activities in Pakistan attributed to the clandestine activities of Indian and Afghan intelligence agencies include:
A car bomb explosion in Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995 caused the deaths of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.
An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claimed the lives of seven persons and injured to over 34 others.
A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.
An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura hospital killed 9 persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.
An explosion near Alam chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 11 others.
A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.
On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi , killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.
A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad railway station passenger lounge on 08 July 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 20 others.
RAW executed a hijacking of an Indian Airliner to Lahore in 1971 which was attributed to the Kashmiris, to give a terrorist dimension to the Kashmiri national movement. However, soon the extent of RAW's involvement was made public.
RAW has a long history of activity in Bangladesh , supporting both secular forces and the area ' s Hindu minority. The involvement of RAW in East Pakistan is said to date from the 1960s, when RAW promoted dissatisfaction against Pakistan in East Pakistan, including funding Mujibur Rahmanh ' s general election in 1970 and providing training and arming the Mukti Bahini.
During the course of its investigation the Jain Commission received testimony on the official Indian support to the various Sri Lankan Tamil armed groups in Tamil Nadu. From 1981, RAW and the Intelligence Bureau established a network of as many as 30 training bases for these groups in India . Centers were also established at the high-security military installation of Chakrata, near Dehra Dun , and in the Ramakrishna Puram area of New Delhi . This clandestine support to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), some of whom were on the payroll of RAW, was later suspended. Starting in late 1986 the Research and Analysis Wing focused surveillance on the LTTE which was expanding ties with Tamil Nadu separatist groups. Rajiv Gandhi sought to establish good relations with the LTTE, even after the Indian Peace Keeping Force [IPKF] experience in Sri Lanka . But the Indian intelligence community failed to accurately assess the character of the LTTE and its orientation India and its political leaders. The LTTE assassination of Rajiv Gandhi was apparently motivated by fears of a possible re-induction of the Indian Peace Keeping Force (IPKF) in Sri Lanka and a crackdown on the LTTE network in Tamil Nadu.
The RAW and the Ministry of External Affairs are provided Rs 25 crore annually as "discretionary grants" for foreign influence operations. These funds have supported organisations fighting Sikh and Kashmiri separatists in the UK , Canada and the US . An extensive network of Indian operatives is controlled by the Indian Embassy in Washington DC . The Indian embassy ' s covert activities are reported to include the infitration of US long distance telephone carriers by Indian operatives, with access to all kinds of information, to r blackmail relatives of US residents living in India . In 1996 an Indian diplomat was implicated in a scandal over illegal funding of political candidates in the US . Under US law foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to federal elections. The US District Court in Baltimore sentenced Lalit H Gadhia, a naturalised US citizen of Indian origin, to three months imprisonment. Gadhia had confessed that he worked as a conduit between the Indian Embassy and various Indian-American organisations for funnelling campaign contributions to influence US lawmakers. Over $46,000 from the Indian Embassy was distributed among 20 Congressional candidates. The source of the cash used by Gadhia was Devendra Singh, a RAW official assigned to the Indian Embassy in Washington . Illicit campaign money received in 1995 went to Democratic candidates including Sens. Charles S. Robb (D-Va.), Paul S. Sarbanes (D -Md.) and Reps. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.) and Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.).
I'll go point by point
1. Two wrongs do not make a right. I agree completely. What I was pointing out was simple. Pakistan's orgy of rape and mass murder in Bangladesh went completely unpunished. The criminals are still roaming free. Indian soldiers committing crimes in Kashmir are in prison… atleast most of them anyway. And honestly, Gaza is not my problem. It's a massive humanitarian crisis, but not anything that India or Indians should base their foreign policy on. There is no difference between Gaza and Tibet !! Either way, the problems of my nation occupy first priority.
2. Now, except Pakistan, no one else in the world believes that the RAW had anything to with Kasab. Do you realise that it's election year and ANY government crazy enough to even dream of such a stunt would never ever get re-elected !! I was amazed at idiots like Zaid talking about RAW behind Mumbai and CIA behind 9/11. I think it's time that you guys wake up and realise that what is happening in Lal Masjid, Swat Valley and FATA is not because of RAW and CIA, but because of your own flawed Islamisation policies. Read Nayyar's paper : http://www.sacw.net/HateEducation/1985HoodbhoyNay…
and by the way … Hoodbhoy and Nayyar are Pakistanis.
3. America is not an ally of India. India has never trusted the Americans. Sure, it's a big partner for trade right now, but how many major weapons systems have we bought from the Americans – none. We've learnt from your mistakes. Americans armed the 'mujahideen' during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan – sure they made a mistake – but you guys decided to use terrorism as foreign policy in Kashmir and Punjab…. the fruits of which are being reaped in Pakistan!!
4. I have nothing against Islam. India has 200 million muslims. I have many friends who are muslims. They celebrate diwali with as much enthusiasm as I celebrate Id. The Pakistani version of Islam where music is banned and where schools are blown up because girls should not be educated – THAT is what I'm worried about. Muslims like Kasab, Masood Azhar, Dawood Ibrahim – which are trained in Pakistan and/or given residence and protection in Pakistan are a problem for the world
5. I have no desire for war. But look at the last 3 months. We have asked for the truth and for you to dismantle terrorist camps and the only answer coming from Pakistan – "we will fight a war". Do you know how pathetic it is? Your airforce on 'alert' your troops moving the border, when nothing was happening in India !! Disgusting and paranoid behaviour. And you guys are still in denial about Kasab !!
Have been a bit busy of late, but I will reply to you 🙂 I enjoy writing back. Take care.
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My friend I believe u didnt completely understand my post i will also go point by point:
-What I was referring to were the multitude of incidents that took place in 47 when muslim migrants from india were brutally masaccared / mutilated by Sikh and Indian soldiers. Their women were raped brutally again and again and then barbarically butchered. Migrant trains were stopped and these unfortunate passengers were looted and fell victims to the mass genocide carried out by the Indian soldiers.These soldiers i believe were given gallantry awards for their heroic actions. Nonetheless they roam freely as we speak. True Gaza is not ur problem. But kashmir is our problem and the plundering over there continues as we speak rite now. Bharati police force continues to shell the kashmiri ppl to put them out of their misery. And what does ur foreign minister Mr. Pranab Mukharjee do to resolve this crisis. He just takes this issue out of Mr. Hoolbrookes agenda to further postpone the kashmir dispute and their right to freedom.
-As far as RAW is concerned i believe u shld read my post submitted on ur agency above. Not to mention abt terrorist organizations headed by the likes of Ram Senha and other hindu extremist factions who blatantly admit on television that they support ur govt in carrying out riots and are serving as tools for indian (state) agencies. Burning civilian muslim houses in riots organized by these gangsters is a norm like the carnage in manglore. And inspite of ur govt being fully aware of their heinious crimes wat does ur ministry do?
It drops their charges by saying that ppl like ram senha are free to go. Moreover wat do u have to say abt the 8 RAW agents who were captured in lahore just yesterday with maps of important sites in Pakistan that they were planning to detonate. Not to mention a couple of days before a similar gang of 3 ppl associated with RAW were captured. Even these ppl had maps of important sites in Pakistan that they were trying to blow up. These ppl were handed over to India all in good faith.
Have u heard the statements of our foriegn minister Mr Shah Mehmood Qureishi and compared it with that of Mr Mukherjee.
Have u ever for 1nce felt that Pakistan all in good faith does not want war, and is willing to probe in2 the mumbai carnage by investigating in2 the matter. In return to your dossier we have raised specific questions as to the details of the mobile calls of those involved in the incident and also the details of all Indian agents involved in the carnage as the plan could not have been executed without the insider actions of agents within the country. To which Mr mukherjee responds by saying "ridiculous". Do u have any idea how ridiculous that "ridiculous" sounds. U ppl are askin us 2 arrive at a conclusion without providing us details of the carnage. I believe ur govt shld stop acting like 3 year olds and cooperate in the investigation.
Moreover have u ever payed attention to the hostile statements issued by Mr Mukharjee and by ur COAS Deepak Kumar. Who despite Pakistans efforts to strike regional peace talk continue to be preparing for war. And when they are questioned abt the fact that why are more Indian troops being deployed at the border. Mr Deepak Kumar says that Indian troops are on high alert position. Despite the fact that Mr Shah Mehmood Qureshi is insistingly requesting the Indian government to retreat the Indian troops to peace time positions. Do u think with Indians being on RED ALERT the Pakistani army is gonna step back.
Moreover u ppl are making it all the more difficult not only for us but for urself as well. Since u are well aware that Pakistani army is already deployed on the western border to counter the miltant insurgency and is currently engaged in fighting a global threat. And what do u ppl do to assist the current situation, deploy more troops on our eastern front to make situations worse. Do u think with so much hostility in the air between India and Pakistan the Pakistani army shld retract its troops when u ppl are threatening our eastern front.
And as far as Mr Zaids theories go they are in perfect allignment with RAW's plan. this is easily explained by the facts i have presented above regarding ur intelligence agencies, political and sociopolitical situations.
And yes Iam sure that the Indian soldiers commiting crimes in occupied Kashmir are right now in prison lavishing in the luxuries of fermented juices and forbidden fruits and their dedicated kaneezain provided and funded by ur govt.
I think before slandering us, ur govt shld punish these criminals for their offences to set an example in the world, intead of giving them undercover aid.
Look up news… not Paki news… check out BBC and Google News to see how many Indian soldiers have been punished.
Then compare that to the number of Pakistani soldiers punished for raping 300,000 women in Bangladesh and killing more than a million Bengalis.
Then ….. let's talk.
…. and yeah, let's look at your Government's support of Al Qaeda. In Aug 2008, your Government announced that al-Yazid had been killed. He is a bigwig in the Al Qaeda….. basically, you allowed him to get away easily. Now, he's back. And funny enough – he's sent this funny video to India threatening us in case we attacked Pakistan.
So…. let's see this : Pakistan saves Al Qaeda man. Lies to the World. Al Qaeda wants to help Pakistan in case of an attack.
Am I the only one seeing a terrorist pattern here?
My friend sometimes u say swat valley is out of our hands because of militant insurgency who are constantly bombing schools and targeting civilians and the Pakistan force alike. Thus in that case these militants are obviously our enemy because we wont kill our own ppl with our own hands. Then on the other hand u point out that Al Qaeda is supporting our govt, when u say they threatened INDIA. In any case ur two points contradict each other.
Wat i would like to ask u here is that if these elements are creating anarchy in our country on one end then as u say they are also supporting Pakistan. There is definate contradiction in the two arguements. Cause 1 cannot be a friend and an enemy at the same time (atleast make up mind when u say whether they are our friends or our enemy cause um sorry to say u sound really perplexed). There is a high possibility that there is something awfully fishy abt the whole situation like a CONSPIRACY. Or is it that I am the only 1 seeing a pattern here???
One more thing i would like to tell u is that after a drone attack 1 cannot make out with absolute certainity abt the identity of the victims unless they have such sophisticated technology. India or for that matter Pakistan do not have such sophisticated DNA tests to validate the identity of the victims. So I would say stop relying on what the media feeds u and use a little common sense and get in touch with the ground reality. "PAKISTAN AND INDIA ARE DEVELOPING NATIONS I REPEAT THEY LACK IN USE OF SOPHISTICTED TECHNOLOGY (LIKE DNA TESTS TO ASCERTAIN THE IDENTITY OF A VICTIM)". So its fair enough to say that Pakistans claim regarding AL YAZID being dead was based on a high probability. Nontheless militant camps were and are constantly being uprooted by PAKISTAN. Research that on google and BBC if ur so good at research!!!! Now y would some1 kill their own friends if u say AL-QAEDA is pro Pakistan.
And yes as far as my research is concerned when u asked me to search BBC and Google news. I would like to tell u my friend ur own news channels are broadcasting news abt the likes of RAM SENHA and other hindu extremist organizations involved in the manglore carnage. I would recommend u go through ur own news channels or do u also doubt the integrity of ur own local news channels???
Let me also take this opportunity to remind u of the fact that according to the UN polls an estimated 4.5 lkh ppl are already homeless in the tribal areas of Pakistan because of this disgusting war on terror that Pakistan is fighting for nations like u and the west.and the polls are likely to reach to an estimated figure of 6 lkh ppl. Iam not quoting this figure frm pakistani news channels (search it up on google news or wateva form of news u consider valid).
Pakistan has already made a lot of sacrifices for u ppl and 2 date its bearin the brunt of ur unjustifiable actions. For what? so that u ppl can commend Pakistans actions the way u do now. Think abt that!!!
The Ram Sene are a bunch of useless people. Haven't you heard of the Pink Chaddi campaign?
But it's funny. The Ram Sene – who are right wing brainless hindus want the same thing as the 'Duktarn-e-Millat'. They want a ban on boys and girls talking to each other, valentine's day etc – but let me remind you that 100 nutcases do not represent India. The people of Bangalore and Mangalore are taking care of these m0r0ns…. and our news crews are reporting it without any issues.
Now, this war on terror. Please let there be no misunderstanding. Pakistan is only doing it because it's balls have been squeeze by Uncle Sam post 9/11. All of the taliban and the mujahideen in Afghanistan were trained and armed by the ISI. There have been links between the ISI and Al Qaeda.
You guys are paying for your sins. I genuinely feel bad for the lakhs of people displaced and the hundreds killed by the terrorists. My heart aches every time I hear of an innocent person blown up by terrorists – whether the person is Indian, Pakistani, Afghan or anyone. However, till the time the people of Pakistan don't wake up to the fact that the disturbances being caused in Swat and FATA and whatever is actually because of militants trained by the ISI, there is no future for you guys. Wake up and see the truth.
Pakistan has done NOTHING for India. Let's be clear on that. You guys do whatever you do for your own warped reasons. The fight on terror – your army rushed to get out of it the first chance it got – oh oh … India is going to attack us. Airforce on Alert, Army on alert – and guess what, we never even mobilised our forces.
Masood Azhar was in Pakistan – till 1 day before we asked your country to hand him over – and poof* he disappears. Dawood is in Pakistan, yet no handover. The Jamaat U Dawa has changed it's name and it is operating again – yet you're doing nothing.
Realise one thing – your nation is no different to mine. You are capable of greatness…. just get over the petty nonsense of terrorism that you guys prefer to use all the time !!!
My friend
Ahhh the ISI…. Wateva bullshit happens just blame it on da ISI… Now look who is being stereotypical. As a matta of fact dats wat u INDIANS have been doing all dis time just shifting da blame on ISI. My friend u were da 1 who asked me to stop listening to what dey say on pakistani TV channels now i ask u to stop listening to and following ur stupid local media and depend on hardcore facts. Search up ur google or BBC for dat matta and let me knw whether the ISI is accountable for all dis bullshit thats happening around u ppl.
And 1 more thing there is no point in extending u ppl a favor. If pakistan investigates abt the wherabouts of the mumbai criminals u guys just say that its because Pakistan has being taken by the balls by the international community post 9/11. If Pakistan doesnt help u ppl out, u guys just label us as terrorist. U knw wat in either case there is no point in arguing wid u ppl. Nonetheless let the facts alone in yesterdays newspaper speak al by themselves. Pakistan has hunted down those responsible for the mumbai carnage, whereas ppl like Ram Senha walk abt freely burning down muslim houses. 11 RAW agents captured in lhr trying to detonate important sites in Pakistan who were den returned 2 india. I think its high time the international community takes India by its balls and make it rectify all its wrong doings.
Funny boy… Ram Sene have not burnt down any muslim house. I wonder where you get your news from !!!
Sure… they are morons who deserve to be hung, but all they are guilty of, is being right wing idiots opposing Valentine's day. So get your facts right…. where have you read that Muslim houses have been burnt. I'm waiting for your response.
… and regarding helping… let's see facts
1. First, Pakistan said, Kasab is hindu because he wore a red threa
2. Then Pakistan said, Kasab is not Pakistani
3. Then Paksitan said LeT was banned (despite it collecting money from all cities ref:Pervez Hoodbhoy)
4. Then you said, Kasab is dead (he is alive)
5. Then you said Austria is involved
6. Then you said Bangladesh is involved.
7. Then you finally admit, that Pakistanis were involved..
so let's leave that thing about Pakistan wanting to help. IF you want to help, how about giving Lakhvi to us as a gift… let me guess…. that won't happen !!
Ok ive been followin this closely and well,im gonna agree wit ozzy.Desi Munda,seems like your sitting a nice camio place typing away wht ever eases you.You Indians never believed the existence of Pakistan in the first place.You call ur self the "to be superpower of the region" when u lack the qualities to be one.On the one hand u call pakistanis terrorists.And when we support in arresting and dealing with the menace,u say we are doin it becum of pressure etc etc and uncle sam crushed our balls etc etc.Fact is you guys dont have any sense of appreciation.When pakistan is helping u guys wit the mumbai tragedy instead of appreciating u guys hav loads of exta bull to shoot.Where was ur integrity whn as always u blamed pakistan for the Samjotha express,I dint hear any appoligee from India to Pakistan??? Fact is u got a big ego and a nut shell of a brain.You please the world wit ur Bollywood glam whereas more than the population of pakistan sleep on ur streets.Such horrific sites of poverty and ppl living for generations in onee small tent on the foothpaths is not even seen in Pakistan.And then u talk abt democracy and terrorism.It takes a brat to raise a finger and abig heart to sy thank you.I think itz clear wht u are.Clean up ur own road mess and issues and let us do ours.We dont need to u to teach us how its done.Pakistan is not Afghanistan and india is not Usa.
Very funny AK47…. very funny indeed.
Now, let's talk about the truth.
1. Never believed in the existence of Pakistan in the first place : Hmmm…. I don't even know what to say to this. In India, in our geography maps, we have a country to our west in all the maps called Pakistan. That has been the case since 1947. We don't want Pakistan. So I have no idea where you're getting that feeling from !!
2. Samjahuta Blast : If India wanted to keep quiet on Purohit, you would have never heard about it. But India went ahead and arrested Purohit and his entire group of hindu right wing terrorists without any input or pressure from anyone else…. despite knowing that it would make our initial claims look foolish. This was done because the people of India deserved to know the truth.
3. Yes, I agree, the media should have appreciated Pakistan's response more – but after weeks of nonsense coming from Pakistan like "Kasab is Indian, He was arrested in Nepal, Attacks were planned in Bangladesh etc etc etc" what more could you expect?
4. And instead of pointing the finger at India, why don't you see Pakistani official responses from day 1. All denials until 2 days ago… all denials !!
And forget the media – as an Indian – I'm saying Thank You to Pakistan for finally accepting the truth. And most Indians are saying the same…. but you guys would prefer to believe what idiots like the RSS and Ram Sene say(who apparently are burning muslim houses according to Pakistanis)
And yes, India does not call itself a superpower. Most of this nonsense of "akhand bharat" and "superpower" seems to originate from Pakistan !!!
Ak-47 ur a slick observer i must commend that it would be humble on my part 2 say dat the pakistani nation is fully aware and equipped 2 cater 2 the attrocities commited on it by countries like India and USA.
Not 2 mention dat they blame our highly efficient ISI and then they go as forward 2 say dat our nuclear facilities are not in safe hands just 2 safeguard their own mutual warped reasons / interest. Pakistan is a nation whose very existence was threatened by INDIA since 47 and this was illustrated since its inception as a soveriegn state following the brutal massacre / mutilation and rape of the thousands of migrating muslim families. Later India extended a greater helping hand by not handing over the assets (cash reserve) that were legally entitled to Pakistan. And if it werent for Gandhi (whome i personally consider as a hero) Pakistan wouldnt have gotton nething after partition.
Going forward India was always threatened by Pakistans nuclear facility and its highly qualified Inter Service Intelligence agency, reasons are not 2 mention numerous, but 2 sum it up they themselves are a gutter of a nation where the poverty level is up 2 a miserable level. And they themselves are breeding terrorists who are supported and funded by their govt.
The best way through it all apparently as they see it is 2 start lobbying with zionist countries like Israel and America. With whome they share common interest. To top it all, Y they even share the same gods. If u are aware the jews were a breed of egypt where idol worship was a common practice and 2 date they are creating more idols for themselves and the unaware ignorant masses (american idol being a prime example). Not 2 mention hinduism is primarily based on idolatary. But religion is a subject which i would like to refrain from on this forum, and wateva any1 does is not ma concern cuz every 1 is accountable for their own deeds.
Wat my concern is, is my state where i live and any1 and i mean any1 whose got the nerves to attack Pakistan will have to go through the civilian masses first keeping the forces aside cuz the 1 thing that this nation can give is its very life when the stakes are up whereas these western ppl and indians can only take life. So thats the prime diff between dese ppl and us cuz they dont belive in an afterlive (U only live 1nce and live the american dream, i am still dumbfounded when i hear such slogans & I wonder how much secularism can they still inject in ignorant masses like desimunda who are primarily concerned with celebrating valentines day and when their very own women and sisters are raped they are the 1's dancing with banners of human rights).
Nonetheless desimunda wake up and smell da fresh air there is more to life than valentines day and guys talkin to girls. The worlds got bigger issues like poverty & misery to deal with. And yes as far as Ram Senha burning down muslim houses are concerned well my friend iam quoting this from a broadcast that was televised on ur own local media. And as far as the samjhauta bombings are concerned i belive its ur states responsibilty to deliver an apology to Pakistan via a televised address, where the international community could also hear. Moreover Ajmal Kasabs issue has reached a point where Pakistans efforts are being appreciated world over. Whereas the issue of kashmir is yet 2 be resolved. The bharati forces continue to plague the kashmiri ppl and put them out of their misery, y dunnt u try to focus ur attention over dere instead of focussing so much on valentines days…..
Zaid has understood the ploys of the Jew very well, and explained it in a simple way. If we avoid Usury ….the blood supply of the jews….they will die a natural death.
People like Zaid Hamid only reflect our nation's fetish for conspiracy theories.
And most of the people on here in the comments sections that have asked for "refutations" of Hamid's thesis should remember that the burden of proof is on Hamid and his followers, not on those that poke (a million) holes into his embarrassing "scholarship". So can any of you please give me something other than make-believe facts and dodgy sources to confirm that the Jewish people are indeed hatching a conspiracy to end the world?
Religion is quite a potent drug.
I wonder what they teach you in history…. you mention the massacres of muslims. Well, what about the massacre of hundreds of thousands of sikhs and hindus…. wait.. they don't teach you that do they?
India has been anti-Pakistan…. what a joke. Look up facts. In 1948 – Pakistani Army dressed up as tribals, invaded Kashmir. In 1965, read up about operation gibraltar. Read up about Kargil. Read up what happened in the aftermath of Mumbai – all those denials.
Let me make this clear. Do you REALLY think India wants to absorb Pakistan? Alright – I'll put it in another way. No one wants to reattach a tumour back into the body !!
And also read up India's compulsions when we signed the Indus Valley Water Sharing Agreement in the 1960s….. (ps.. there were none, we signed it for the greater good)
Now, regarding the "burning of muslim houses by the Ram Sene"…. I wonder which "Indian Channel" showed it – but a word of advice – that channel with a PTV written on it, isn't Indian…. so yeah, my challenge to you… find it on the net where it says so and post it here…. and let me guess …. you won't be able to find it.
And the funny part is – you guys are playing the victim here… atrocities by India? Waah… do you really think that Islamic Hardliners like Baitullah Mehsood and TTP and that kind of people would take help from India (it's like saying the RSS or the VHP might take money from the ISI – what a joke)
The sooner you guys wake up to reality and stop blaming the world for problems created by yourselves – the better.
And in the meanwhile – I'm waiting for the news article… waiting for what is obviously more Pakistani propaganda.
(and it's funny… you guys seem to have NO answers for any of the points I've made – just the usual rhetoric that Pakistan is famous for – or should we call it "Sheik Chilli giri"
http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/latest_col.php?id=77
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&t…
Regarding your first post – that article does not mention Ram Sene – and more importantly, it is a not by an Indian author either. Qureshi is another one of those deluded people who still believes that Kasab was a hindu Indian because he wore a red thread around his wrist. So… should we trust him?
Either way, neither of what you've posted indicates that the Ram Sene (who are useless m0r0ns) are burning muslims. So, cmon, either admit you were wronf, or post something substantive!!!
he is right man, zionists lobby is paving the way for dajjals so called global government.
I completely agree Farrukh.
Today, I opened a box of cereal for breakfast, and the packing was faulty. All my corn flakes were stale. These bloody Zionists are trying to affect our minds and want to make us weak by forcing crap breakfast cereals on us. Their conspiracies MUST BE STOPPED!
Sadly,
I would have to say this that we pakistanis are sufferring for past 60 years because we cannot stay united due to our foolishness.
Please read Shariah and Islam, you cannot blame anybody without proof, if you are that sincere with Pakistan and Islam, why not you just go to Zaid Hamid and ask for a clarification directly, and why not ask him that why he is not publicly giving clarifications on all of the blames on him.
Also, we Pakistanis, blamed Quied-e-Azam, Allama Iqbal r.a. so what else is left.
Regards
Dear Sir,
I am student of gurate class i listen your docomentry and different programs in different setlight channals i verey glad to you
America is attacking the land of pures on weekly basis by drones. And all you guys talk of is a false bravado.
Zaid Hamid is a good presenter better than average human agreed. But there lies the danger with eloquent folks. He is a pied piper.And is leading u kids to caves as in the proverbial story. By the way today 'justice and senses' have prevailed in Pakistan…so as a well wisher I congratulate (tahe dil sae mubark). But this is begining…and the journey is long. Building a society is not a one day match or even a test match or not even a good cricketing season. It needs decades of perseverant collective hardwork. Hitler was apparently good orator ..he moved nation(s) to disaster…on the contrary was Gandhi a good orator? no ..
did he have a great persona ? not in a conventional way.
Zaid has all the traits of a good leader …but he is so full of hatred. He is a zealot …a war monger . so beware.
We had and have so many great folks. Mother Teresa , Kalam , Ratan Tata , Manmohan Singh , Sri Ravisankar , Chidambaram etc… list can go endless. I never see them spreading hate. They are silent workers. There action speaks much louder than words. What our neighbours need are more leaders like jinaha , Gaffar(we call him seemant gandhi..i.e. gandhi of other side ). We need messiahs of love and peace. Fine Pak can nuke us and we can nuke them.
Where does it leads…to the road to hell. Remember why youth of pakistan are ready to die in pakistan??? No one wants to die here in India. And I am sure no educated middle class Pakistani who has a decent career and life wants to die there too. Young jihadis are ready to die because they are so frustrated with life and apparently India is the reason of all the miseries(atleast that is what they are being told to like of kasabs in madrsas).
Most of the well to do Pakistani people dont send there wards to madarsas. Just take your cabinet for instance. I am sure 99% of the children of these leaders would be getting education in western places (or west like places).
This is dualism that we have to understand and accept. This is dualism ..not hypocrisy …mind you.
to be continued …
Why Omar Sharif is superior to Zaid ?
Simply because he makes folks laugh.
We have so many tensions. Tensions of wife , life , career , childrens , nations , civilizations , leaders , ploitics , office politics , sautans, padosans , past and future(apparently there is no present …reference to Amir Suhail in his famous commentary last year in India with yashpal sharma). We dont need to be reminded ….for a break we need to forget..we need to laugh… And this is what khushwant singh's view about humour " it is the capacity to laugh at ourselves …rather than others". So many jokes are cracked on Sardars and they usually dont get offended. We hindus crack ribald jokes about our own gods and so called sacred stuff. I ask why are muslims so sensitive ? Recently there was a fatwa in malaysia that non believers can not even utter word allaha. Why ? Tomarrow they might release a fatwa that remove vowel "a" from lexicon. I have seen omar shariff making fun of our gods and rituals. I have seen videos on utube some converts breaking idols of Hindus (Sri Ganesh ). But we dont create a ruccous about it. And a Danish cartoonist making a wise crack on prophet and see how the very existence of muslims come to danger. There is a saying "do unto others what u expect others to do to you". Another saying says "Charity begins from home".
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To be continued.
Who is the biggest enemy ?
I dont think Pakistan is the biggest of India. Nor is it America or China or any nation on earth.
Same is true for Pakistan. We apparently talk so eloquently
and enthusiastically about 'Tareekh"(History). But fact of the matter is that we have more often than not used , abused and distorted the history to obtain our so called "Strategic Objectives" ( and Mr Zaid Strategies are made and discussed in Board Rooms not on TV …so say it we are propaganda machinery …accept it).
I can give u a very objective analysis of History and lessons that we might have learned …but I leave it for a future project.
My aim is to analyse
1)who is the biggest enemy ?
1.1 ) Who is biggest enemy of an Individual ?
1.2) Who is biggest enemy of a Society?
1.3) Who is biggest enemy of India , Pakistan , Americal
, Israel , Japan , Hindus , Muslims , Zionists ,
Believers , non believers?
And for that I dont need to begin with History …5000 BC .
And here is the simple answer.
Ignorance.
Yes Jahalat is the biggest enemy. Jahils can be misled to a war. Jahils are the biggest issues for India , Pakistan ,
Palestine , America. Jahils are a huge burden.
Eradicate jahalat.
Give respect to women , because she is the first teacher of child. She is the corner stone for removing jahalat.
Kabir Saheb ( a Sufi born to a muslim who lived as a Hindu ) says :
Pothee padh padh Jag mua , pandit hua na koyae,
dhai aakhar prem kaa padhae soe pandit hoyae.
( No one in the word has become wise by reading volumes of books, just absorb two and half letters of love(Prem) and you would be wise).
another couplet goes like :
Bura joe dekhan mae chalyaa , bura naa milyaa koyae,
joe man khoja aapna , moe sae bura na koyae.
I was in search of evil and I could find none,
when I introspected , I evilest is in me.
Where is Kabir's pointer to the so called Satan?
It is none but the "Ignorance" of Individuals.
Ignorance of Zaid , Ignorance of Alok , of Desimunda ,
of Amjad , of Ozzy , of AK47:-) , of this , and of that.
And we can imagine ourselves on a pilgrimage let us say Haj Yatra. Zaid is 100mts away , x is 2 kms behind , y is traveling on a donkey , z would be coming by helicopter.
No one could say I am holier than thou. We all are seekers.
We are on a journey . We haven't arrived.
Regards
I thank Teeth Maestro for space he has provided for this
guftagoo. Allaha Hafiz.
My friend Alok
1st of all i would like 2 address u regarding us making fun of ur Hindu Gods. We'll 2 be honest we muslims are not taught 2 make fun of any religion according to our scripture the Glorious QURAN. As a matter of fact Islam was not spread using the sword rather people were invited to embrace Islam through tableegh. People of all other religion were given equal respect and were allowed to practice their own religion after the famous conquest of Mekkah. No 1 was barred from practicing their own religion. Number 1. Number 2 Omer Shariff is not an Islamic scholar nor is he a voice of the Muslim Ummah. And we muslims totally shun his actions of making fun of ur religion if ever he did something like that, that is. Number 3 According to modern psychology religion is an integral part of a persons ID (according to sigmund frued theory of ego, superego and ID). And we muslims respect that fact that people of all other religions whether it be christians, hindus or any other religion have their own inherited ID's which we totally respect and understand.
However as far as that stupid Danish artist is concerned. He is 1 of those ignorant fools who had no idea of what he was potentially making and this was reflected by his ignorance of the rage that was invoked by his work in the muslim world. If he would have done his homework and would have taken out a little time to go through the muslim ideology plus if a little research was done on his part he would have discovered that our Holy Prophet (SAW) is the most revered human being for the muslims nation. And his actions could have disastrous consequences for his countries economy since out of the total world population every 5th person is a muslim. Dat explains y danish economy has suffered so much, after his outrageous and blasphemous act. Muslims the world over started boycotting the danish products. And 1 more thing a persons purchasing power is directly proportional to his education / litracy. Thus all the educated muslims also shunned his heinous activity. Whereas according to u only young illetrate jobless muslims participate in JIHAD. My friend this meltdown of the danish economy post this stupid artists work is an example of economic jihad. In which both the ruling elite and the opressed muslim factions participated beutifully. (Please do clear ur perception abt JIHAD by researching on it)
So u c my friend as far as principles are concerned there are no compromises, a person who goes against the political system of a country is called an anarchist and deserves state punishment. My question to u is wat do u call a person who goes against his own religion? number 1. And as far as ur posted passage is concerend u blatantly admit that u make fun of ur own hindu Gods. Now my question 2 u is dat if u make fun of them y do u worship dem? And if u make fun of them urself how do u xpect other ppl like omer shariff not to abuse them? So u c ma friend 1st u respect ur own religion den u shld xpct other ppl to give ur religion some respect. True charity starts at home…..
Alok
My sincere, humble and friendly advice 2 u wuld be to start respecting ur own religion rather than cracking jokes abt it or u culd start studying comparitive religion and determine on ur own which is the best 1 which u can follow and revere for the rest of ur life. For a person who lives for nothing will certainly die for nothing but 1 who lives for sumthing will die for sumthing, for eventually evry1 has 2 die sumday. But in the end wat mattas is wat uve accomplished.
ozzy because I understand that Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. As a matter of fact I observe there is a great confusion regarding what do you mean by Islamic Ideology. That is why everyone has their own interpretation as per their limitations / understanding. What I know is Great Prophets /Pirs /Persons live their life in exemplory manner and stupid folks spend their life in interpreting "what did they mean?". They try to archive what they said etc etc .And this is nothing but mediocrity and herd mentality. And here I agree with folks like Qaedae Azam that religion is something very personal , it is not a display thing. And it is not something that needs some sort of movement(because movements are only political they can never be religious). So I keep away from so called religion and religious places. They mean nothing to me …just a sort of clubs ….deviced by society…there is nothing personal about them …nothing first hand…just parroting and arguing…no understanding …no reflection. So I live a one man religion and I am proud to say that here in India I am absolutely allowed to follow my own religion(without even need to coin the name for it ). We say 'Aham Brahma Asmeee' . That means I have interfaces with universe(direct connections …no dalals). And that is what Hinduism is all about. A prince born of Sakya Clan went in search of truth and he realized the truth. His followers formed a religion called Budhism.
Remember Budha didnt form a religion it were the followers who formed the religion. Same is case in every religion.
And as you are saying that muslims respects other's religions …here you are not even Ignorant …you are innocent in my opinion. The name of Personalities after whom your missiles are named were known for their hatred and ill deeds towards Hindus. But that doesnt mean that you dont respect others beliefs/values. Prima facie you do and that is the only way it should be with anyone 'balanced' .
regards
fyi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2bfi9Zv66o
Crash course in History.
fyi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3EvmV2Hgk&fe…
Leader ship of Kashmir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_xYlakkpA&fe…
Alok
My friend as u say hinduism is a way of life. Just 2 be sure y are there casts systems (like brahmanism, kashtrias and sudras) defined in this way of life. I believe that in order 2 say a religion is balanced it shld be based on equalism for all casts / creed. The only way a person is exalted above others is by virtue of his / her deeds. True when u say women are the pivotal point of a society and in order for a family 2 consist of balanced / educated individuals the wife has 2 be a source of knowledge for the family for it is at the hand of a woman that an infant recieves his / her primary education. Islam does not by any means prohibit women from pursuing their education but by any means it also does not allow vulgarity as this leads 2 adultery. As a matter of fact this is a very delicate subject which needs 2 be further elaborated upon. My friend dont take it personally but i dont think u would want ur wife / sister to have a pre / extra marital affair with some1 else. And I dont think any sane / decent individual would want that. Nonetheless women are given equal privelages in our religion such that they are free to pursue their education provided that they adequately cover themselves up. I would ask u but 1 thing if u leave a can of milk open in front of a cat and if the cat drinks it whose fault is it? Is it ur fault dat u left the can lying open or is it the cats fault? .There are certain things in our life which may create negative externality in our society if they are not effectively monitored / controlled and i believe u wuld be better able 2 understand them cuz I c in u an educated individual.
But my friend i would also like 2 mention here is dat Islam unlike hinduism or any other religion is a complete code of life which if followed stricly serves for the betterment of mankind. I would just give u 1 example Iam sure that since u r able to comment on our Holy Prophet (SAW) I believe that u r also aware that he didnt recieve any schooling / education (he didnt know how to read / write) inspite of that the Book that he forwarded to mankind contains modern discoveries that could not be expected by any means 1400 years ago such as the complete foetel / embryonic development and hardcore scientific facts such as the moon did not manufacture its own light rather it reflected the light of the sun. As a matter of fact the Glorious QURAN is full of such miraculaous Surahs which gives so many scientific facts that makes it evident that it could only be the work of 1 living GOD (SubhanAllah). The Glorious Quran is and remains 2 be the only book that has stood the test of times unchanged and contains all the latest scientific discoveries which were discovered later on and which are still underway.
How then can ppl deny it is not truly the work of GOD.
As far as modern day muslims are concerned whome u quote regularly or are refering 2 time and again I beleive u shld be aware of the fact that many ppl around us are working for their own warped / vested agendas. And all such ppl know neither any caste / creed. That includes muslim, hindu, sikhs, christians etc etc.
As far as walking in some1's footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries.
Thanks ozzy ,
We struck some chords…. some conversation happened..
rather than using expletives …u tried to explain and I
put my view point.
Few clarifications :
Caste System : it was/is practised. And is wrong. It is practised and not prescribed. And more and more Indians are breaking it. Sharukh Khan's wife is a Hindu …no body has a issue…so far u live with dignity what has religion(so forget about a caste) got to do with that. I cited u just one example there are countless instances.
Woman Education : I know Prophet said get education even if u have to go to china. And he didn't mention gender when he said that.
vulgarity : Beauty lies in the eye of beholder. What would be Pronography by modern standards much bolder stuff is depicted in our ancient temples(Khujraho Temples for example). So we need to think and introspect about our morals. I feel 99.99 % of people have double standards. This is a Human issue not a Hindu / Muslim / Zionist issue.
So just define your individual morals and dont expect others to follow them. This me holier than u is root of most of troubles of any society ancient or contemporary.
This imposing standards on others is a issue. Teach you children values ( softly …not with an Iron Hand) and leave rest to almighty ( by whatever name you prefer to call almighty ). So the behaviour of my wife and my sister is their own issue and I am sure they do take care of it.
I can not check it and I can not control it and I am not worried about it.
Proffession : Coming back to caste. Initially what you do was the classification. So if you were a miller you were tailee , a butcher was a kasai. Chances of children following family proffession were high. Training / skills acquiring were more convenient. Then wicked persons made it a rule. Ideally we should be free to choose our proffession. And all proffessions in my opinion are fine.
I would not be overwhelmed by a scintist or a doctor as if they are role models or what. Nor would I be impressed by how much money one makes. What I am impressed most is this :
" Are you enjoying what you are doing? ( assuming what you do should not constitutionally and legally affect others adversely). I can not imagine Shoaib Akhtar being a Military Officer. Well he enjoys throwing ball and that is what he does and that is what matters. I want to ask how many people enjoy what they do? Not more than 5 %. And this is another main issue. We are slaves of expectations. What will abba think , what will ammee think , what will society think. Forget it our own expectations wont let us free. We have been conditioned freely. So.
So coming back to proffession and freedom. If a woman thinks that her talent is in dancing or in music or in acting …then who are we to say it is bad? Who are we to kill a woman who teaches music to children? I tell you what
we have been conditioned with so many insecurities. Sometimes I feel that correcting this society is not possible. So I say just correct yourself. Whatever control you have , you have on yourself. I would not shy in Zaid that he is doing something what he seems to enjoy. So it would be waste for zaid if he is not getting the attention that he seeks.
woman adequately cover up : vrery unfair. I am sure ozzy u can move in a chadee baniyan in any street of a city of pakistan on a hot summer day and have priviledge to piss openly. But when it comes to woman they should be dressed
adequately. And again what is adequate for you might be a cabaret outfit for mullaha Radio. So who are we to preach others how to dress.
a can of milk open in front of a cat :
Just see the comaprison. You are saying that a man in society is a Cat ( ao perhaps a wolf I guess , a male fox at the least ) . And the woman a can of milk, a piece of meat. And this is what I think situation is in society.
Hum aur kitna gir sakate haen. It is an endless pit. So again men and women have equal rights and equal freedom and it is their own prerogative to choose their proffession and dresses. Who are we to throw acid bottles on them.
complete code : No one needs a complete code. We typically need a template to fill in the blanks.
betterment of mankind : who is to decide what is good and what is bad for mankind. Noone is license holder of such authority.
1 Living God : Agreed that there is one supreme power in universe. So how does it makes a difference if someone calls it by a different name( I haven't even named mine).
This "I am right and you are wrong" sort of stance is the fundamental sin. I say "how do I know ?". You might be right so may be anyone else.
"As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries."
Thanks ozzy for you invitation. It shows what big heart you have and I would definitely be more informed about Islam and its teachings and would carry on with my quest of truth and reality.
many many regards
alok etc..
Thanks ozzy ,
We struck some chords…. some conversation happened..
rather than using expletives …u tried to explain and I
put my view point.
Few clarifications :
Caste System : it was/is practised. And is wrong. It is practised and not prescribed. And more and more Indians are breaking it. Sharukh Khan's wife is a Hindu …no body has a issue…so far u live with dignity what has religion(so forget about a caste) got to do with that. I cited u just one example there are countless instances.
Woman Education : I know Prophet said get education even if u have to go to china. And he didn't mention gender when he said that. But reality is a far from prescriptions.
vulgarity : Beauty lies in the eye of beholder. What would be Pronography by modern standards much bolder stuff is depicted in our ancient temples(Khujraho Temples for example). So we need to think and introspect about our own morals(bura joe dekhan mae chala…). I feel 99.99 % of people have double standards. This is a Human tragedy not a Hindu / Muslim / Zionist issue.
So just define your individual morals and dont expect others to follow them. This me holier than u is root of most of troubles of any society, ancient or contemporary.
This imposing standards on others is culprit. Teach you children values ( softly …not with an Iron Hand) and leave rest to almighty ( by whatever name you prefer to call almighty ). So the behaviour of my wife and my sister is their own issue and I am sure they do take care of it.
I can not check it and I can not control it , Idont want to control it and I am not worried about it.
Proffession : Coming back to caste. Initially what you do was the classification/caste. So if you were a miller you were tailee , a butcher was a kasai. Chances of children following family proffession were high. Training / skills acquiring were more convenient. Then wicked persons made it a rule. Ideally we should be free to choose our proffession. And all proffessions in my opinion are fine.
I would not be overwhelmed by a scientist or a doctor as if they are role models or what. Nor would I be impressed by how much money one makes. What I am impressed most with is this :
" Are you enjoying what you are doing? ( assuming what you do should not be unconstitutional and illegal ). I can not imagine Shoaib Akhtar being a Military Officer. Well he enjoys throwing ball and that is what he does and that is what matters. I want to ask how many people enjoy what they do? Not more than 5 %. And this is another main issue. We are slaves of expectations. What will abba think , what will ammee think , what will society think. Forget it our own expectations wont let us free. We have been conditioned so badly. So.
So coming back to proffession and freedom. If a woman thinks that her talent is in dancing or in music or in acting …then who are we to say it is bad? Who are we to kill a woman who teaches music to children? I tell you what
we have been conditioned with so many insecurities. Sometimes I feel that correcting this society is not possible. So I say just correct yourself. Whatever control you have , you have on yourself. I would not shy say to Zaid, that he is doing something what he seems to enjoy.
woman adequately cover up : vrery unfair. I am sure ozzy u can move in a chadee baniyan in any street of a city of pakistan on a hot summer day and have priviledge to piss openly. But when it comes to woman they should be dressed
adequately. And again what is adequate for you might be a cabaret outfit for mullaha Radio. So who are we to preach others how to dress.
a can of milk open in front of a cat :
Just see the comaprison. You are saying that a man in society is a Cat ( or perhaps a wolf I guess , a male fox at the least ) . And the woman a can of milk, a piece of meat. And this is what I think situation is in society.
Hum aur kitna gir sakate haen. It is an endless pit. So again men and women have equal rights and equal freedom and it is their own prerogative to choose their proffession and dresses. Who are we to throw acid bottles on them.
complete code : No one needs a complete code. We typically need a template to fill in the blanks.
betterment of mankind : who is to decide what is good and what is bad for mankind. Noone is license holder of such authority.
1 Living God : Agreed that there is one supreme power in universe. So how does it makes a difference if someone calls it by a different name( I haven't even named mine).
This "I am right and you are wrong" sort of stance is the fundamental sin. I say "how do I know ?". You might be right so may be anyone else.
"As far as walking in some1’s footprints are concerned. I openly invite u 2 embrace ISLAM this day for all ur concerns / questions are addressed in it. Please feel free 2 revert back in case of any queries."
Thanks ozzy for you invitation. It shows what big heart you have and I would definitely be more informed about Islam and its teachings and would carry on with my quest of truth and reality.
many many regards
alok etc..
My dear friend Alok
Ill go point by point
Caste sytem: True nobody has a problem when ppl live wid dignity. But the problem arises when ppl are stripped of their dignity and all moralities are compromised for the powerfull whereas the weak are subjected to the strictest condition. True maybe religion is just an obsolete/outdated concept for u and maybe a lot of others, but can sum1 explain the creation of this universe and its minutest details which continue to function in absolute perfection. Free masons tried to xplain it using the theory of chaos and randomness saying that the universe evolved out of a state of chaos and that every atom by itself in this universe carries absolute intelligence. My friend all of these darwinist theories have long been prooven false since all animals have been created with a non identical anatomy. Not even a sigle fossil of a particular animal resembles or has features close enough to that of another animal. The creator knows best abt its creation and dats y the Holy Book was revealed upon the prophet. Did u know eating the flesh of swine is prohibited according to Quran. Modern science has it that the flesh of swine carries cancerios elements which are harmfull for the human body. Moreover there are numerous such examples. Y do u rely on modernization of science and technology? So that u can progress as modern individuals and as a society. Wat has religion got 2 do with it? Well if u read up the Holy book all scientific facts were explained in our scripture a long time back before they were actually discovered.
1 more thing ill give u a very good example. wat if there is a person who gives all his charities and does a lot of work for the betterment of the ppl. Nonetheless he does not follow the ruler of the land. Do u think the ruler will forgive him?
Hazrat Ali (RA) was 1nce questioned by some1 who asked him y shld he follow God if there was a possibility that he didnt exist. Hazrat Ali (RA) replied maybe he did? maybe he didnt? But then he also went ahead to identify two possibilities that is if he did worship God and if God didnt exist he wouldnt have 2 fear his wrath in an afterlife. But if that man didnt worship God and in the afterlive he discovers that He exists. Then he would be subject 2 all his wrong doings and would have to face his wrath at all costs. My friend u may do a lot of good for the betterment of mankind (by the way even Islam teaches u dat). But are u really fullfiling ur obligations towards God. Iam not trying 2 be the person who says Iam holier than thou (for I certainly am not). But do u recognize the fact that u, me including all ppl are subject to his judgement. Iam ceratinly nobody 2 judge u or anybody and I do not by any mean say that "Iam Holier than Thou". Nonetheless I am just fullfiling my duty as Gods subject to deliver his msg to u. Maybe u can learn sumthin frm me maybe not. Nonetheless wateva u learn and take away from me is not my capability or intelligence. It is the power of his wil that may change ur viewpoint abt his religion and abt this life. We as muslims just function as his khalifas trying our level best 2 deliver his msg. Certainly u r rite ven u say that u shldnt use an iron fist in dealing with ppl. Islam agrees to that spirit. But at the same time it teaches u the fundamentals of how to live ur live with morality and decency linking it to the spiritual aspect of an afterlife.
Vulgarity: There are many phases of zinah (adultery). Adultery of sight (being the lowest phase): provokes sexual stimulation in an individual when a member of the opposite sex is dressed in such an out fit such that his / her body parts are exposed. Funny thing is the fact that all the women in burkha are seldom raped whereas all the mod toc girls who we commonly refer 2 as lookin HOT in their tight fitted obscene outfits when raped or molested are the 1's carrying human rights placards. Iam not by any means trying 2 degrade the male couterparts as foxes or hounds but a fact remains a fact and there exists certain elements in our society who continue to hound the females.
Zinah-Adultery (or sexual intercourse with a non mehram): Is the worst form of adultery. In any case the above mentioned adultery of sight may lead to adultery-zinah or fornication with a non mehram (other than ur wife / husband).
Nonetheless I do c a good man in u my friend. Wateva ur quest in this life mayb. May God fullfill ur purpose and ours and show all of us to the rite path.
Amen
Ozzy
666
Whatever is being uttered by peoples mouths worldwide will surely come to pass with the inevitable truth, to create strife and discord amongst the brotherhood of man will only lead to a world war, which as we are all witnessing is taking shape in a very perfect manner, it is us the people of the world who have brought upon this wrath upon ourselves, for there exists none who truly upholds to the law of the the divine instructions which were handed down unto mankind as a guidance, noone has taken heed and thus tryants and despots have been allowed to herd the sheep in any manner that they desire. You will never find any changes in the way of the divine law, and we as nations aforetime have failed and the price for that failure is complete wrath and mayhem for all religions in the world.
thanks ozzy and 666 ..
By the way I have noted people sighting Prophet(saw) and Prophet(PBUH). So I am a bit confused. Do you know a website where a authentic translation of Kuranae-Pak is available in English. I don't know either Arabic or Farsee nor Urdu(script…I can speak reasonable Urdu though and I write poetry in urdu myself).
What I wonder is that if such a wonderfull scripture is available to Muslims(specifically) and Humanity(in general)than why haven't folks benefitted from it. But all this discussion has raised my esteem for zionist in my opinion because if such a small number of jews have outsmarted so many muslims , americans , europeans ,
Indians and whom not then who knows they understand the reality better than all of the us.
But nevertheless help me in locating a website that provides a authentic understanding of Kuran.
We are encouraged to learn from various religions so ozzy u can be of a great help ,it looks to me .
regards
alok
My dear friend Alok
Let me 1nce again remind u dat wateva guidance I am able 2 provide u regarding religion. I will definately provide u but it is certainly not within my capability to convince u or anybody else rather it is the will of Allah that makes things happen. U may say that maybe ur connecting to the universe using karma. Or maybe the universe connects to u. Nonetheless i dont disagree to that fact. Wateva good u send out inevitably comes baq 2 u and wateva bad u send out will certainly return baq 2 u. That is the basic essence of karma. Rite?
Ur rite when u say that jews being a minority have accomplished so much as a nation rather than us muslims or any other religion. Thats a fact. As a matter of fact it was pre written in Islam that this would happen sumday when muslims will fall as a nation and den they will rise again when constantinople will be conquered. Nonetheless my friend it would certainly be a dilemna if I point out the fact that muslims have fallen as a nation since they have forgotton their core roots that is the Holy Book. It would certainly appease u 2 hear a muslim taking up the blame on behalf of his entire nation which has dispersed as sheep or rather as the foam on the sea. By not heeding 2 wat they were foretold.
The quandary of the situation is such that i cannot give u an example of 1 good muslim leader currently rather i have 2 quote examples of gr8 leaders from the past, however things can certainly change with a little bit of introspection within us muslims.
The point I am trying 2 make here is dat ppl (muslims) have changed. Religion (Islam) hasnt. Muslims the world over have started cherry picking things out of Islam which may benefit their own personal standards, and have started discarding things which are not suited for their personal needs. In doing so we have sent out negative imbalances in our society, which has created negative externality all around us. For 1 man's meat is another mans poison. This u can very well understand my friend since wateva action we take in this life has consequences or repurcursions. That is the basic rule of karma.
If ur a student of science i would explain karma according 2 our religion. All that exists in this universe is mass and energy. Mass can be converted to energy as depicted by the equation e=mc2. In the start the universe was evolved out of a large combustion of radiation / energy (Big Bang). That means all that exists is this unverse is basically energy since mass can be converted to energy. That also means that energy was something there from the start and it will remain there till the end and it is something that can never be destroyed. Wat is the defination of God? Please refer to the above statement. "God is something which is there from the start and it will remain there till the end and it is something that can never be destroyed". As per our religion God is " Pure Noor" (Or Spiritual Light). What is light? Light is energy. That means that it is rite to say Gods Noor created everything in this universe. He is certainly our Benefactor our Creator our Khaliq our Malik. And he has power over evrything (Subhan Allah).
Now there are two forms of Light / Energy (the divine and and the unclean one). When u connect to the source of the unclean light sure u may achive ur short term goals very effectively. However in doing so u create negative repurcursions around u and in the long run u end up hurting urself (not 2 mention u r also judged according to ur wrong deeds in the afterlife). A person who however lives according to the commandmants of Allah (SWT) is sure to achieve his long term goals and also reaps the rewards of the hereafter.
Muslims will definately find the source of this pure light by referring back to our Holy Book. At the moment it would be only wise 2 admit that muslims are a lost nation, since we have forsaken our religion.
http://www.quranmiracles.com/?gclid=CJi3qeX_sJkCF…