We miss Independent Judges

Guest blog by Talkhaba

These are two out of many pictures of Salman Taseer, Governor Punjab. Salman Taseer has his own way of life. Every one knows well about this guy and his personal and social life. To him and his son Shehryar Taseer Life means Wine and women. We have nothing to do with their personal life but once one occupies any public office his personal become public. This is why according to the constitution of Pakistan

  1. There shall be a Governor for each Province, who shall be appointed by the President [96A] in his discretion [97] after consultation with the Prime Minister. And
  2. A person shall not be appointed a Governor unless he is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly and is not less that thirty-five years of age [98]


Who is qualified to be elected as MNA?

The constitution set these prerequisites for the membership of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament); A person shall not be qualified to be elected or chosen as a member of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) unless :-

  • (a) he is a citizen of Pakistan;
  • (b) he is, in the case of the National Assembly, not less than twenty -five years of age and is enrolled as a voter in any electoral roll in- 
  • (i) any part of Pakistan, for election to a general seat or a seat reserved for non-Muslims; and
  • (ii) any area in a Province from which he seeks membership for election to a seat reserved for women. 
  • (c) he is, in the case of Senate, not less than thirty years of age and is enrolled as a voter in any area in a Province or, as the case may be, the Federal Capital or the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, from where he seeks membership; 
  • (d) He is of good character and is not commonly known as one who violates Islamic Injunctions; 
  • (e) He has adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins; 
  • (f) He is sagacious, righteous and non-profligate and honest and ameen;


Thus, under the constitution of Pakistan, Salman Taseer, being the governor of Punjab should not have been what can be seen in the constitution. These pictures make him illegible for the office of governor hence shall be immediately removed. Now the question arises who will remove him? Look, again here we miss independent judiciary.


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61 responses to “We miss Independent Judges”

  1. ReallyVirtual Avatar

    Ok, enough suspense already… where are the picture? 🙂

  2. Teeth Maestro Avatar

    Just uploaded them 😉

  3. sqka Avatar
    sqka

    Should the same criteria not be applicable to President Zaradri.

  4. A.H.Kalwar Avatar
    A.H.Kalwar

    ^ I don’t think Zardari’s daughters are out swimming with men and what not.

  5. Sharp Avatar

    People have lowered their standards instead of fighting with the evil.

  6. Zak Avatar
    Zak

    I am not a big fan of judging [politicians by their own personal character. God knows families have enough scandals..but that doesnt correlate with being a good politician. After all Bush and Hitler didn’t drink and didn’t womanise..

  7. Unaiza Fatima Avatar
    Unaiza Fatima

    I am not supporting Salman Taseer in any way…to make it clear right at the beginning.
    The point is…Was this picture taken before he was appointed as governer or after that? Yes it definitely does not mean that he may be refraining from these right now. But one cannot judge everything by loking at undated pictures. If the rule holds for previous acts as well, what about Imran Khan? He could never contest the elections on similar grounds for his immoral and vulgar past life (not sure about his present life either). Yet he contested right under the nose of “independent” judiciary led by Honorable Justice Iftikhar Ahmed in 2002.

  8. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Shoaib Safdar,

    your tinyurl.com heading has wrongly spelled
    in Urdu, its ” be-tuki” not be-tuqi

    be-ye tay kaaf ye, please don’t mind.

    I am shocked and disappointed by the level of
    India ki Pakistani zurriat ka haal, what are they ?

    Americans, Brits, Indians ? are they Pakistanis ?

    you must have noticed, on the right side sitting with
    Taseer, is it not Najam Sethi ??

    These are our ****** National Politicians !!

    hang them all

  9. Shoiab Safdar Avatar

    Rafay Kashmiri! I didn’t mind! but please check the reason first! here:
    http://tinyurl.com/bytuqi-why

  10. Shoiab Safdar Avatar

    sorry tinyurl is not working, therefore visit!
    http://wakeel.urdutech.net/وضاحت/

  11. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Karachi kay Mayor Mr Mustafa Kamal
    dar-asl Angrezi ka kamal bana diay gaey

    Azad mein arz hay :

    hamaray Mayor Kamal-e-turk
    bantay bantay reh gaey
    firanghi ki zuban thi,
    mar di dandi grammar mein
    burra ho is Kambakht anrezi ka
    ne hota ‘the’ agar, ham sochtay reh gaey

  12. Barrister Ali K.Chishti Avatar
    Barrister Ali K.Chishti

    Awab, it’s a very weak case any good solicitor could thrash the facts (agreeing the credibility and knowing atleast one of the sons) but point is do you seriously think any judge would have taken a suo-moto against someone with a bottle of alcohol in a picture? Comeon mate- you could do better then that….!

    It’s such a small thing to discuss and I see cheapsters “yellow schooled” and Zia idolizers Shoaib Safar and Kashmiri making a fuss about alcohol and posting private pictures of someone’s daughter’s on there blogs – what if someone posts Shoaib’s mother pictures on a blog? I wonder how would he feel now?

    God these guys considers: sleveless clothes as baysharmi? LOL

    No one cares about people like you….get a life!!!!

    PS.

    That’s a nice french wine he’s having – looks vina cana rioja to me!

  13. Barrister Ali K.Chishti Avatar
    Barrister Ali K.Chishti

    Hilarious – panjo-mentality comments at it’s best!

    The captions with the snaps are like,

    “HIS SON WITH A WOMAN?” WTF? Whats wrong with that?

    “HIS DAUGHTER DANCING ON THE TUNES OF SATAN” LOL – that the most hilarious comment I ever read….where did you guys come from?

    Get a freaking life….they reminds me those cheap Mirpuri’s and backward Asians
    Back in the UK who thinks of every white as a tramp! LOL – die of hate and jelousy you freaks….

  14. Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar Avatar
    Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar

    Taseer might be a third class moron but his wife is a hottie. wonder if she’d be interested in moving to TO… hmmm…

  15. yaseench Avatar

    yes,we do miss but we must continue our struggle for their restoration and rule of law in this country.

  16. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @Barrister,

    you don’t need to reflect always your MQM’s master’s

    liberal, Musharrafian, nakli-kalay-angrezon ki policy !!

    some decency is, however, required if you are brought-up

    in a serious mahaul.

    Mughal and Awadh’s cheap and low grade characters

    should not be followed, do you teach your children

    this ? do you teach them to behave like corrupt Nawwabi

    culture, drunk and enjoying mujhras, kotha culture ?

    you know what is ” Qehbah-gari ” is this your

    culture ? I must remind you that MQM belongs to that

    circle of Secular, alcoholic, ” Kotha culture ” they

    are promoting this vicious disease in Pakistan.

    Its backward, cheap and inhuman Badmaash marginal

    Bazaari culture. Barrister, do you think ” Fahashi”

    changes her face when it comes to Punjab from UP ??

    reply intelligently, I intend to demolish you today !

  17. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @Barrister,

    MQM’s strategie is to favour all Khabisse

    shaitans alcoholics whether they are Punjabis

    or Uppians ? wah Barrister wah, this is called

    ALTAFIAN MACHIAVELLI, MQM IS A BUNCH OF HARAMIS.

  18. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    zardari,altaf hussain,fazlu baba and salman taseer are not the residuary of pervez musharraf,they are actually the heirs by any mean.By looking the pic on internet on can easily say that they gaudrnig the patrimony very well.

    @barrister sahib!
    you should be the atorny general of this govt.But don’t give up.this govt need more jiyaley judges.
    pewasta reh shajr se umeed e bahar rakh.

  19. Xainab Avatar

    Salman Taseer is a true reflection of the ideology, and of an average PPPP worker and leader.

  20. Hamza Avatar
    Hamza

    Frankly speaking, if the constitutional clause regarding “good character” and “violation of islamic injunctions” is enforced, than the vast majority of the Pakistani parliament, including members of every single political party will be debarred from political office.

    As an example:

    1. Imran Khan (PTI) – fathered a daughter out of wedlock —> unislamic

    2. Mian Nawaz Sharif (PML-N) – involved in numerous corruption scandals, most notably involving bribery and loan defaults —> unislamic

    3. Any senior leader of the MQM —> You can choose any number of things for the MQM, but for sake of brevity, let’s say — political violence and thuggery —> unislamic

    4. Malik Ghulam Mustafa Khar – I don’t know where to start with this veteran politician, but his treatment of his wives is probably a good place to start. Again, for mistreating his wives, among other things — unislamic

    Now, I’m not doubting that Mr. Taseer, by consuming alcohol, is indulging in un-islamic behaviour. But, let us judge our politicians by their administrative competency, not personal lives.

    After all, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Founder of our dear country, is known to have drank alcohol(unislamic!), and married a Parsi (forbidden by Islamic law!). Yet, his consumption of alchohol, and supposed unislamic lifestyle didn’t make him a bad leader. Without him, after all, we would be all loyal subjects of the Republic of India.

    In fact the only person who objected to Jinnah was the Jamaat-e-Islami. Maudoodi called him Kafir-e-Azam, citing the same reasons you have: that we drank alcohol, married a Parsi, etc.

    Hopefully, we can all move on, and not judge our leaders based on their personal habits, and instead hold them accountable for their political actions.

  21. Hamza Avatar
    Hamza

    This is directed to Mr Talkhaba or any of the other posters,

    Based on the constitution of Pakistan, do you believe that Imran Khan, an honest and commited politician – by all accounts, should be disbarred from politics for life? After all, he has fathered a child out of wedlock, a profoundly unislamic act.

    If the writer believes that Mr. Taseer is ineligible for political office, I hope for the sake of consistency, he should also call for Mr. Khan to retire from active politics. After all, the same criteria should apply to all politicians.

  22. ReallyVirtual Avatar

    Is the real issue whether they drink or not, or is it whether they drink out of their own pocket in their own private residences AFTER office hours (which is fine by me at least) or whether they burn OUR money to party and drink in the official government buildings during office hours – which would probably be wrong even in one of the “enlightened-since-establishment” “democracies”.
    Did they bring the bottles and the boxes from their homes to “unwind” after the “stressful workday” or was the booze provided to them through public money?

  23. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Hamza,

    you very conviniently forgot or ” missed ”

    diesel Mullah, tranditional constructor of

    Masjid Darrar yesterday and today. Founder of

    Kharijis & Takfiri Talibans.

    @ I think you are ” greatly” and “unintentionally”

    mistaken on Quaid-e-Azam been called Kafir-e-Azam,

    by The Greatest of all Maudoodi,

    it was JUI Hind who called this to Quaid.

    Please print your correction or bring evidence,

    I will wait !!!

  24. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Reallyvirtual,

    as you know that in Ummayyad’s history, the governor
    of Baghdad use to give Jumah Khutbah after drinking
    daroo, and after the prayers use to vomit outside
    the mosque.
    I am trying to get your point,

    1. Alochol existed before, during the advent of Islam,

    2. they were quite a few who consumed Alcohol, during
    Ummayads, Abbasid, and later in Andalusia in
    quantities, resulting their defeat.

    3. But Islamic laws always caught them and punished,
    without distinction, own son of Syedna Umar (RA)
    received 80 lashes.

    Can you understand with all the modern measures and
    so called ” progressivity” do you have the right to be
    1. a fucking Governor of Punjab, and
    Muslim Father of a muslim Family,

    2. Govt. of Islamic Republic of Pakistan, with a
    clear “Constitution ” and laws (penal).

    3. his ****** private life is HIS private life,
    why the fucking hell he is imposing his bleeding
    rituals of his damn private life style in public ?
    do I, or you, should
    be subjected to such representations ?
    the bastards are imposing their life style as National
    style, there are
    hundreds of thousands of Pakistani Muslims drinking,
    fornicating, its their private character (lose) does
    it mean that Pakistan should publically adopt such
    attitude as official ? is this our culture ? should I
    ask the bleeding culture Minister of Pakistan ?
    why are they imposing on others ?

    ” does it mean that Pakistani culture,is represented
    by these retarded imitators ninkumpoops “.

    I repeat your private life is yours, within four walls
    you decide, no one has the right to pop in and tell you
    to do this and that,
    BUT HERE THE RASCLES ARE IMPOSING ANOTHER CULTURE ON
    PAKISTANIS, THESE COLONIAL ZURRIATS.

  25. Faisal.K Avatar

    No offense but i too receive pics like this and many others in email everyday, a persons private life is their own and we should be ashamed if we go around publishing moments from it on the net. I find this practice quite creepy.

  26. Hamza Avatar
    Hamza

    Mr. Rafay Kashmiri:

    1. Maulana Fazlur Rahman is also another person who I should have added to the list.

    2. You are indeed correct. The JUI coined the term “Kafir-e-Azam”, and I made a mistake in my original post. I don’t want to belabor the point here by getting into the Jamaat’s opposition to the creation of Pakistan, but just to be clear, till 1947 Maudoodi maintained that he would not fight for Pakistan, that he did not believe in Pakistan, and that the demand for it was un-Islamic. Some ten years before Partition, while writing Mussalman Aur Maujooda Syasi Kashmakash, he had maintained that ‘Muslim nationalism is as contradictory a term as “chaste prostitute”. Jamaat literature would sometimes use the derogatory word Na-Pakistan for the proposed state and there were frequent indictments of Jinnah as lacking ‘an Islamic mentality or Islamic habits of thoughts’.

    Having said that, the thrust of original argument still stands. If we really get into the details of which of our politicians exhibit truly unislamic behaviour, nearly everyone can be found guilty.

  27. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    I would like to narrate a true story of pre partition era:
    ameer e shariyat ataullah shah bukharee(rua) was hyper critic of quid e azam and mulim league, inspite of that he was respected religious scholar . People loved ataullah shah bukharee but did not agree with his opinion about quid e azam. Ata ullah shah bukharee couldn,t convince the ordinary people about his point of view.
    Once he was addressing the large gathering. after his address he prayed and thousands of people prayed along with him. In the end of pray he said;
    Ya ALLAH hamara khatima anbiyah(sws) ke saath farma…people said “AMEEN”
    Ya ALLAH hamara khatima shohada ke saath farma….. people said “AMEEN”
    Ya ALLAH hamara khatima buzurgan e deen ke sath farma….. people said “AMEEN”
    And so on. Lastly he said
    Ya ALLAH hamara khatima mohammed ali jinah ke saath farma….there was no AMEEN this time….the whole crowd of thousands of muslim was skocked to listen this pray.
    I hope people would understand my point.

    @rafay kashmiri
    Jamat e islami opposed two nation theory that is a reality. But molana modoodi called quid e azam a “kafir e azam”??????…..
    I have a serious doubt in it. would you please give me the reference of that

  28. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    @rafay kashmiri
    @hamza
    few yrs after the independence.some people met molana abu alkalam and sicussed many issues after some time pakistan became the center of the discussion.
    people asked him about pakistan. he said pakistan is like a mosque. before building a mosque one can disagree about site and timing but when once built there is no reason for me oppose pakistan.

  29. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Hamza,

    first of all, I appriciate your straightforward
    correction, and thanks for replying me.

    of course, You have the right to oppose Jamaat or
    Sayed Maudoodi’s views, listen, when Pakistan was
    about to be created, all went thru in a, more or
    less, democratic way,
    some muslims decided to stay, some opted
    for Pakistan,we are not there to judge those who stayed
    there !! what were they saying Jamaat, Ahraris, etc

    1. they were afraid of Nationalism instead of
    muslimhood ! where are we today ?

    2. they did not have confidence on those leaders,
    their life style, commitment, and their ISLAM,
    do I have to present record ?
    where are we today with our Leaders.

    ” Ramlal ki jagha, Abdul Karim agaya hay, magar
    jab Abdul Karim zulm karay ga to ARSH hila dega ”
    syed ataullah shah bukhari

    For me, when I discovered that My Quaid had a Brit
    style in his early days, like anyone else, later on
    change came in his life, I felt proud of him,
    I owe him,
    my freedom, my passport, a national anthum, and a Flag,
    the most beautiful in the world, and a country where I
    could breath, and am not obliged to say, Namaskar or
    goodmorning, born free !! do we know the value ?

    Sayed Maudoodi or Jamaat were right in their doubts, &
    others opted for Pakistan, both were right !!
    Nobody ever asked me ! I was’nt even born !!!!
    If today they ask me to create another Pakistan
    somewhere, I won’t say NO, will try there !!

    Yes, Pakistani Constitution & laws must be respected.

  30. Talkhaba Avatar

    Guys sorry for late entry; for those expressing there view regarding Maududi’s views about Pakistan and ideology of Pakistan, pls pls just spend some time on reading this article. It will remove many of your misconceptions.
    Maulna Maududi aur Nazria-e-Pakistan
    http://www.jasarat.com/graphic/smag_detail.php?smagdate=26-08-2007&newsid=03.gif

  31. KhanLala Avatar

    For those comparing Salman Taseer with Imran Khan, Altaf Hussain and others, we have proof that’s asking for his removal. Especially, we can’t compare Imran Khan on the ground of his past. Look guys, I was one the guys who compelled Imran Khan to escape from Karachi University when he was invited to deliver a speech in favor of Mush and his “Najaez” referendum. But now when his present is right, I will not say a single word about him.
    We will try to acquire proofs and then demand the removal. And note the public office bearers have no personal life except in their own drawing and bed rooms. Look these guys are drinking in a function. Again my point, had we had independent judges, this evidence was sufficient for Salman Taseer removal.

  32. karachikhatmal Avatar

    its quite disgusting to have anyone’s pictures be put on public display. its far worse when those pictures are of someone’s children.

    dr. awab, you are one of the most respected members of our civil society, and these pictures are available through out the web. so why did you post them? is it fair to go after someone’s children, no matter how reprehensible that person’s character may be?

    what bothers me the most is that if someone posts pictures of our siblings or children, it would rip our heart out.

    @ rafay kashmiri et al

    please, lets have you malign the Quaid on the record. because he did drink and follow western habits and thoughts. don’t blame it on mushie. and don’t hide behind the private life excuse – his thought was imposed on us all in the form of our blessed, wretched country. and no, he didn’t have a “brit style in his early days” – he was

    so please – lets get you loud and proud –
    was the quaid a “kala angrez?”
    did he lick the proverbial “boots of the west?”
    was he a “dog of the goray”

    i patiently await you reply…

  33. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ dr_jawwadKhan,

    yes indeed my, Father was present in that jalsah,
    probably in Jalianwala Bagh Amritsar? Shahji, Shorish
    and Sayed Maudoodi are for me the pillars of
    socio-politico-literary reference of this century’s
    Urdu literature, all three of them grand poets and
    Nasr-Nigar, with their oratorial immense talents, I
    heard, Shahji could speak relentlessly 8 to 9 hours,
    from evening till dawn and not one left his place.

    @ I hope you have followed our comments between myself and
    Hamza on the subject of Sayed Maudoodi.

  34. karachikhatmal Avatar

    (posted the previous comment a bit too hastily – damn my liberal, westernised impulses!)

    its quite disgusting to have anyone’s pictures be put on public display. its far worse when those pictures are of someone’s children.

    dr. awab, you are one of the most respected members of our civil society, and these pictures are available through out the web. so why did you post them? is it fair to go after someone’s children, no matter how reprehensible that person’s character may be?

    what bothers me the most is that if someone posts pictures of our siblings or children, it would rip our heart out.

    @ rafay kashmiri et al

    please, lets have you malign the Quaid on the record. because he did drink and follow western habits and thoughts. don’t blame it on mushie. and don’t hide behind the private life excuse – his thought was imposed on us all in the form of our blessed, wretched country. and no, he didn’t have a “brit style in his early days” – he was the same through and through all his life in terms of his personal habits.

    so please – lets get you loud and proud –

    was the quaid a “kala angrez?”
    did he lick the proverbial “boots of the west?”
    was he a “dog of the goray”

    i patiently await you reply…

  35. Talkhaba Avatar

    @karachikhatmal “its quite disgusting to have anyone’s pictures be put on public display”

    Salman Taseer is not anyone. he is governer punjab.

    and pls change your name. you given lectures on morality but have chosen a name that will offend many.

  36. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @Karachikhatmal,

    Khatmal Bhai, don’t be angry, high blood-pressure
    might give you some health “hazard”

    My Quaid is 3 meters higher than Himalaya !!
    ok ? lets go !! my answers

    No, Quaid was a faire looking
    future founder of Pakistan.

    No, he never licked any thing of dirty west,
    he was too clever for them.

    No, finally, the gorah became his dogs, and were kicked
    out, though Hindu never wanted Brits to leave India,
    Nehru had a perfect harmony with Brits, atleast with
    their Lady !
    Happy ?

    On Taseer’s family, I know its not very “Catholic”,
    but some times you have to sacrify some one for a
    ‘larger’ cause. I wish they should make Taseer sit
    on a donkey, with a bottle of Rioja in his right hand
    and a photo of Jardary, that would have been my
    preference.

  37. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Talkhaba,
    your comment of 18 nov 5.27 pm !! !!!!!!
    what ? I can not believe my eyes, are you crazy ?
    look what have you done !!
    article about Sayed Maudoodi ? in jassarat, are you
    serious ?

  38. Talkhaba Avatar

    @Rafay Kashmir, Pls visit the link and then talk.
    again pasting it here
    http://www.jasarat.com/graphic/smag_detail.php?smagdate=26-08-2007&newsid=03.gif

  39. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Talkhaba,

    can you change your name as well,
    as you jump on suggesting KarachiKhatmal,
    they are free citizens of Karachi
    and the only healthy inhabitants, not bothering
    any hospital, cleaning human beings blood circulation.
    Perhaps they should pay a visit to you !! No

    Atleast they look prettier than Altaf bulldog !
    can be dangerous for him,

    Your name can be offensive for those who are on diet,
    fried frits are unhealthy ! No ?

  40. Talkhaba Avatar

    @Rafay Kashmiri, le karachikhatmal answer my question. as for as raffay Kashmiri is concerned, i have already describe this on Zaid Hamid’s post. I dont wana repeat it.

  41. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Hamza,

    please check Jasarat.com on Sayed Maudoodi’s
    point of view on Pakistan, I think its very much
    clear and well elaborated.

    its with compliments of my friend
    Hazrat Talkhaba salamhotallah wa……

  42. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    @talkhaba!……great work
    for me molana moudoodi was the mujadid of 20th century.he soon realized that pakistan will be not be an islamic state but another muslim state like many.
    this was the point where he was misunderstood by many and fallaciously propagated by many.

  43. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Dr.jawwadkhan,

    Goodness ! how right he was, word by word,

    I will never forget his one Phrase, excellent
    (non-violant) historical phrase,

    ” Ham muslamanon ki hukumat mein muasheray ki
    tabdili keliay Tashaddud ka istemal nehien
    kareingay ”

    yes he was indeed a Mujadid, where ever I go, the
    Name Maudoodi is quoted by critics and intellectuals,
    some times they surprise me.

    Dr.jawwadkhan,

    tell me, yeh MQM kay leaderan mein say kitnay log,
    mukhlis, imandaar, and Qaumiyakjehti par yaqeen
    rakhnay walay ab bhi maujood hein ? aur unki ta’adad
    kia hay ? nawazish hogi !

  44. Hamza Avatar
    Hamza

    Mr. Kashmir, Dr. Jawwadkhan & Talkhaba,

    Our discussion seems to have gone slightly off-track, and I’m partly responsible for that, having brought up the Jamaat, etc.

    I was wondering if you could comment upon my original argument, that nearly all leading politicians in Pakistan, including Imran Khan, Maulana Fazlur-Rahman, Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, etc, are guilty of violating Islamic injunctions. Therefore, if the article of the Constitution regarding a “good muslim” is to be enforced, they should all be disbarred from politics. Do you agree or disagree?

    Also, is taking bribes or engaging in corrupt practices any less of a sin in Islam than drinking alcohol? Why do we judge our leaders simply based on their consumption of alcohol or supposed “western lifestyle”. If we really believe in accountability, shouldn’t we use honesty as a criteria to judge our leaders as well?

  45. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    @hamza !
    Any one who violates the hudood ullah should be disqualified for politics by court of law and election commission.
    However imran khan is a different story. no doubt he had an image of philander play boy and he also have a daughter out of wedlock. But there is strong evidence he gave up all activities condemnatory to Pakistan penal code.
    But dear please do not forget altaf hussain who is the biggest criminal of Pakistan history. Countless murders, extortions, fornication and treason. Any kind of crime you name it.

    @rafay kashmiri!
    Ji han bilkul hen. hatta ke aapko kabair se parhez karney waley bhee mil jaen gay. but the problem is, you can count those mqm worker and on finger tips. For leaders I am sure except aftab sheikh(ex mayor of Hyderabad) you can hardly find the leader with quality or leader with out criminal back ground.

  46. Junaid Avatar
    Junaid

    i think its cheap to show pictures of somebodys family like this, but good to see teeth didnt do that.

    as for two pictures in the post.
    just look how Mr Najam sethi is sitting.
    okay if i say nothing wrong in drinking but look at the way they are with their wives around, and these guys our so called leaders.
    i dont know how much would each bottle cost?
    also its the type of mindset these guys would be in is troubling to me than them drinking also one more thing Based on constitution he cant be governer of punjab.

  47. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    looking at the picure don’t you feel that these guys are members of “WIFE SWAPPING CLUB” waiting for room to be empty and then…..?

  48. Rafay Kashmiri Avatar
    Rafay Kashmiri

    @ Hamza,

    I will try to comment,

    Islam is a religion of tolerance, repentance, acceptance
    of one’s faults but encourges repair and taubah ! our
    history is filled with repented Giant Personalities, who
    conquered the world, in Science & technology,

    Maulana Fazlur Rehman, is apparantly not violating
    any hudood, his political flexibilities can be
    accountable on poilitcal basis, Imran Khan, as said,
    by Dr.Jawwad, yes I am ready to accept him if he repents
    and behave according to Islamic minimum decency, same for
    Nawaz Sharif, these two, if they really adopt the minimum
    Islamic behaviour, I will ask every one to vote them, even
    Zardari, if he changes, but Zardari has gone so far, that
    now ONLY GOD can bring him back to minimum Human decency.

    In Islam, we have to understand that public life is
    more tideous and demanding, very very difficult to
    ” discharge” duties, now, we can not compare two sins
    apparantly one public, as you said Rishwat, and the other
    one is alcolhol well see

    RISHWAT’s sin = comited in public, involves public
    service, public treasure, public means,
    abuse, exploitation, usurption, other’s
    property, usage be harming someone,
    utility public, therefore, violation of
    public rights, other aspects, etc etc

    Alcohol’s sin = against Islamic injunctions
    (both divine and Prophetic) self harming,
    harming family, society, public, you can
    say I am drinking inside my house, am not
    bothering anyone, ok they can not enter
    your house and apply Shariat penal, but
    public aspect of alcohol consumption
    could be very very nefast and
    disasterous.

    Our social laws, Islamic or non-Islamic do not believe in
    leniencies, ” Dura-lex ” can you show me any country in
    modern times forgiving my traffic violations because I
    was nice to my neighbour ? Only God can do that