It is being widely reported that around 12:40am today December 14, 2008 fully armed Indian fighter jets violated Pakistani airspace at two specific locations, one around Kashmir area and the other near Lahore traveling 4km into the territory. Agile Pakistani fighter jets were scrambled and distracted the Indian encroachment very quickly.
The official response by Indian sources is said to be an inadvertent mistake. But one must seriously question this lame explanation specially in light of the coordinated violation in two separate sectors and within the close proximity of the heated propaganda being waged by the India government.
Meanwhile, a state run TV channel has also reported that a loud blast was heard in Arabian Sea between Badin and Jati cities Saturday night which may apparently be linked to the two incursions in the northern regions of Pakistan
These aggressive moves by the India government come very closely followed by a very aggressive propaganda waged by the Indians in the past few days, Pakistan has generally complied but it seems that India wants to push the levels of tolerance, I think Pakistan should seriously take this incident as a threat to its sovereignty and respond with some very strong words. If this were to lead to any level of an armed conflict we can hold India responsible. While we as Pakistanis must join hands to condemn India and object to this aggressiveness
Coverage: Ammar 3Sixty
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81 responses to “Indian Planes Violate Pakistani Airspace – An act of WAR”
Now this is completely lame! Fully armed fighter jets, 4km in Pakistan territory! Were they looking for a picnic spot? :S
“Inadvertent mistake” !!!
Does’nt happen with hi-tech navigation etc…! Obviously a dangerous game is being played here!
What amuses me more is Sherry’s statement on this.
My take on this at:
http://blogistaan.com/2008/12/13/i-haz-entered-pakistan-yay/
Is Sherry Rehman our spokesperson or their’s?
I wont be surprised if our govt apologizes the Indian Govt. for firing on their airplanes which came into Pakistani airspace “by mistake” seriously are they for real?
The Nation also reported that they were caring warheads. I wonder if Pakistan would test fire our own nukes in Indian territory just to make sure they aren’t getting rusty.
@drawab maybe you can lend the Indian Airforce your GPS maps, they can surely use them 😀
How dare they! i must be having a ghulail to shoot them down!
Even in this situation the information minister wants the media not to “exaggerate” the issue. Even if the enemy is pointing a weapon on you, these people will make you believe that the situation is under control.
I’ve also heard on a channel that the fighter jets were remote controlled?
Pakistani jets could take em down. It would be a shock for Indian air force if only we had took them down within the Pakistani territory.
Two aircrafts can not violate two different sectors of a country, you’re having tensions with – by mistake. It was an attempt on part of IAF to probe our aerial defenses and PAF’s preparedness. They’ve to take this in to account, since they’re setting up plans to perform surgical strikes in certain areas of Pakistan.
Such inadvertent technical mistakes are not at all a navigation failure nor are they a matter of sovereign threat in terms of violation.
There is always a span of 15 to 20 km between two no fly zones.
This span as safe zone is utilized for reactionary purposes so to react through aerial interception and engagement which require 3 to 5 minutes in dire need.
However during era of escalation and reservation between countries such iatrogenic violations are always perceived as suspicious and contagious.
Aircrafts and fighter planes do crosses such demarcations inadvertently but interceptions via radar and aerial response reception the intruders.
Under extreme of repetitive behavior as present misbehaving, reactionary planes cordon the intruder but do not engage to flare shoot out.
Aerial violation in military strategy have provoking element of mischief and tease where by enemy calculate the reaction and response of the counterpart so to scrutiny the preparedness and effective policy of engagement in future and strategically can not be taken lightly.
Indian ambassador should have been summoned to Foreign Office and ticked off to emphasise the possible consequences. IAF is doing this to assess PAF response.The comments posted reflect nations response but some how this government is always out of step with the people.One thing more, why did no Pakistan Blog posted the atrocity perpetrated on two innocent Muslim youths in Bombay by Hindu extremists under supervision of Indian Police???? It is pathetic indeed.
Please correct the name as shown now.Thanks.
A little correction to the post, the incident took place in broad daylight (around mid-day) which again makes the excuse of an inadvertent incursion sound absurd.
The news was let out to the media late in the night (around 12:40 am). That too by PAF sources. I’m afraid it indicates the widening gulf between the government and the Pakistani armed forces.
it seems that india is in full mood of a war and they send their jet fighters to observe the preparedness of pakistan army.
pakistan is looking more vulnerable, weak and apologistic than ever.i am afraid that if pakistan govt remained oplogistic we shall have to face another war.
India is so determined to have this war.The case has been built up already usual propoganda MUMBAI ATTACKS and India does not need to legitimate any war.They have approval stamps of Condaleeza Rice,and George bush.
We are not intimidated.WE ARE FACING THE THREAT FOR SO LONG LET US FACE IT.
Another Treaty over Kashmir to be signed India does not have to go to war FOR A PEACE TREATY.
Everyone will fight this war in Pakistan,Zardari and beautiful Madam should be in the front line.I hope madam has Ncc training she would look even more beautiful in soldier armer and AK 47.Mr.Mukhdoom will do for press conferences.
i will not be surprized if in the future they drop a bomb or so on lahore and the only thing the gov will do is condem it. and even then if the people didn’t came on the streets , we will not be worhty of calling our self’s a nation
Have ya listen Brown-Z speech from ISB there Z said that this air incursion was technical incursion when planes turned they touch our soil.He said sumthin like that
We cannot understand the world until we appreciate that most leaders are traitors and that mankind is victim of a diabolical conspiracy on an unspeakable scale. It’s time we stopped fighting each other and addressed the real enemy.
An Indian visitor at my blog thinks India has won all 3 wars… LoL..
http://ammar360.com/2008/12/14/indian-fighter-jets-violate-pakistani-air-space/
And I went to a few Indian forums today. Cant believe the level of hatred they’re brewing, and some defense discussions talking about what time of the year would be feasible for an attack on Pakistan…
Pakistani Bloggers and internet community needs to ACT NOW!
Mr ammar Faheem , it the truth that india won all three wars with Pakistan. Please update yourself and accept the failure
Mr. Tauseef. I am not ready to “update” myself on information that you want me to update myself with.
We lost in 1971, alright. But you don’t want me to accept Pakistan’s defeat in 1965 and 1999? Or do you? Kindly update yourself =)
Mr Ammar, For kargal war you can search on internet or read the book of Col. Ashfaq named ‘Gentelman Astagfurulah’ or read any literature. Pakistan is defeated very hardly in that war.
similarly in 1965 , we attcked on kashmir and get some initial success but when india attack on Lahore Borber, sind border etc. We lost in all the border and it forced us to compromise. You can also get this information from book, internet or some army personal.
Sorry Ammar, we cant change the reality.
Ammar, i appriciate your feelings and may this happen.
The democracy has got 2 face one is right other is left both are contrived to controlled the public debate.
Similarly wars which also contrived to controlled the whole world by one-world gov
The ongoing war is war for world hegemony esp in oil-industry west wanna take control of whole-world oil demand&supply in their hands from Arabs through their political and economic policies.
Israeli Cabala is behind UK/US/EU/UN and they wanna complete destruction of the whole world except their own and wanna rule from Jerusalem so they also wanna destroy Pakistan as soon as possible as they destroy our economy[world economy also affected from recent recession] and insist us to take loan from IMF and accept their demands if not then India will do the rest for ’em.
The “Jew of the Cabala” is the central banker[Rothschild] his allies and minions. The average Jew doesn’t know anything about this plan. However, he is wrong to assume that because he is unaware, it doesn’t exist. He is wrong to assume he won’t some day be blamed for it. All groups and religions have been subverted. Whether Communist or Zionist, many Jews have been duped and manipulated by organized Jewry.
The average Jew is as much responsible for the NWO as the average American is responsible for the war in Iraq. However we all must take exception when our religion or nations are appropriated for evil.
Mr Yasir, you give the whole war as Oil-game. Can you please tell me the 2 biggest oil producer countary in the world?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html
Thanks yasir,
The purpose is to tell the US comes in the biggest oil producer in the world and its the effort of the US for explore the oil reserve in Arab countaries. On the basis of which arab countaries become rich. If american leave that area then Muslims can not able to handle that oil reserve.
I dont think US doing the war for Oil.
In wars ,we neither win ,nor loose.We defend ourselves.
We have not given any territory to the enemy,that is a success and that is what defence is about.If we are attacked
we will respond,this response is important.If we were not capable of response ,we would have been taken over long time ago.
On territory issue I know Bangla desh would be brought up.
Bangladesh was given up because majority of the people wanted to be independent .with wars we can defend a territory maybe but we can never in people.
Like Jammu Kashmir,territory is under Indian government but people are not won over yet.
tauseef
How cum USA turn biggest oil producer dis is the Land of last and final and our beloved Prophet Mohammed(SAW) which holds 35% of world oil resources.
According to infoplease USA comes at #3 but can be #1 in his exploring the oil reserve in various country including Saudi Arabia but with her own monopoly dis is diff debate.
Well when Osama went back to saudia in 1991 after vanishing soviets. He saw US army in saudi borders due to gulf-war so King gave order to US to protect saudia from incursions.
So Osama got angry He said to King kick the US army from Saudi borders We can defend our country well as we defeated soviets and can handle oil exploration as well and why not Osama.org has got biggest construction company in saudia. [I too one holds in Pak]They can explore but King didn’t hear him and He went back Afghanistan and later Sudan where He invested/opened chemical factory but US bombarded it and claimed that it was a WMDs factory as usual.
Well He must be angry he invested his money in that factory for profit but US completely destroyed it and later he came back Afghanistan and started thinking to give a good lesson to USA
US freeze his accounts and ostracized his nationality of Saudia and King also went against him.
Well He gave fatwa in 1996 and in 1998 Monica lover Clinton bombarded Torah-Borah mountains which was enuff to produce a 9/11 in USA rest you know or ill define later right now going for sum refreshment with Tea
Whole of Iraq is split open from human bodies to roads but
KURD area is secure safe and almost independednt exporting oil.
Soon Kurdistan will be a new country.Iraq is a new Israel only the war is between Shiat and Sunni dominance.
Iran is already taking control and Saudi Arabia I do not know how they feel.
USA stopped Turkey to take over Kurd area .It was about oil.
We are alone and we have to fight.
A discussion has generated with Mr.Tauseef’s comment and ably responded by Mr.Ammar Faheem and Madam Farah K Raja.I have copied these comments from an Indian newspapers.You may find interesting.The link is http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/3805464.cms
“Pat Simpson,Canada,says:I think Indian armed forces have lost sense of judgment. You are dealing with nuclear capable opponent. Pakistan is no pushover and will have no second thoughts in using nuclear weapons. Indian armed forces took more than 60 hours to nail down few terrorists and it took NSG more than 12 hours to reach Mumbai. India needs to get its act together and wake up. You should purge this thought of “surgical strikes”.
[8 Dec, 2008 0507hrs IST]
Mr. Tauseef this is not the time to create unnecessary controversy but show unity if you are a Pakistani citizen.Thank you.
India must know Pakistan people do not live in a bubble of security ,safety and secularism.
We live in a defence line of Muslim country.We are ready for any war from USA to India.We are not Iraqis,we are not Afghanis,we are Pakistan.
From a man to a child to a woman we are so desperate to fight this non-sense called war.Let the ginnie get out of bottle we are so fed up to live in expectation of worst that now we think ,OK ,this is it,let it be.
This is a problem we face as a nation. Are we 'defeatists' by default?? This is a point in time where are national zeal and pride should be high! Instead, you're telling me to accept that we lost wars we actually won? Don't forget India always clinches a deal when its losing thanks to our lousy government. Same happened in 1965, the same in 1999! The Indian Military could never defeat us in these two wars. And THAT is exactly what my point is!
I believe in standing behind our defense forces at this hour. And there are several resources that point towards our success as well. One off books and columns are also available on the other side of the border.
POINT: We CAN beat them big time!
Khurram
Thanks for link.I have read the comments.
yes farrah we’ve to fight against tyranny. Even though im against the war but we’ve been divided in division and sub-divisions which is a rotten fruit of Hegelian trap brought 2u by Britishers 200 yrs back
While Islam talk about to live 2gether under the banner of last and final Divine book as Torah Jews claim at nkusa.org that Muslims were pretty good Host of us better than any other we spent in our diaspora and Israel should cum back b4 its 1967 position.
So war has been impose on us in the lust for Greater Israel Is-real? no its contrived for world domination no one can stop this war there’s Hadith which says bloodshed bloodshed and bloodshed and it is occurring almost every part of the world without bloodshed no revolution. War is another name of social change or political change as US yell for giving freedom and democracy to Iraqis and Afghanies through barbarians-bombardment while they supported 9 yrs dictatorship in Pakistan and Egypt Mubarak ho pakistanio tum ko democracy sadr samaith lo usa comes up with another hoax in shape of Zardari. US wanna clean pak or terrorists A2Z while terrorists wanna clean US A2Z and our president wanna clean pak khazana A2Z
farrah ya should also visit and read articles at http://www.khilafah.com and express ur comments there as well. I do U2
Mr. Khurram, that is exactly what we need to do as a nation. Stand united and consider it our obligation to try and lift our national pride and self-esteem to higher levels.
No matter what the government says or does, it is the people who matter and who can really make a difference.
I believe in “us” – let us all believe in each other!
the best way to stop this kind of stupidness is to attack on indian planes and took the down within pakistani territory so that we have a prove to show the world
taking down planes that is exactly what India intends to do,to provoke us.
We are not walking in their trap.Our response it seems will be calculated and well thought.That is what we need.
As a nuclear state our military has shown far more maturity in handling the situation and threats.
We are not hesitant but we are causious.
India like habitual wrongdoer again acted to express her attitude as brainteaser hence clearing the sensitive issue of violation by absurd means of technicalities and forgiveness’.
One may logically hold the flaring of fire if such technical issues are put as excuses since aerial encounters with palliative toppling has no second option but full blown war.
Aerial violation in military strategy have provoking element of mischief and tease where by enemy calculate the reaction and response of the counterpart so to scrutiny the preparedness and effective policy of engagement in future and strategically can not be taken lightly.
Such inadvertent technical mistakes are not at all a navigation failure nor are they a matter of sovereign threat in terms of violation.
There is always a span of 15 to 20 km between two no fly zones.
This span as safe zone is utilized for reactionary purposes so to react through aerial interception and engagement which require 3 to 5 minutes in dire need.
However during era of escalation and reservation between countries such iatrogenic violations are always perceived as suspicious and contagious.
Aircrafts and fighter planes do crosses such demarcations inadvertently but interceptions via radar and aerial response reception the intruders.
Under extreme of repetitive behavior as present misbehaving, normal move of engagement is that, the reactionary planes cordon the intruder but do not engage to flare shoot out.
In aerial engagements any intruder approaching the undesired area of strategical importance is always warned and lighted to abstain and if resultant answer does not satisfy or rules out intention, shoot at sight resolve the issue.
In the light of current scenario as rift and blame such violation from any sight, scene or sea can create an unwanted embezzlement and catastrophic impeachment since rivals have innate and inborn capacity to disown each other, the day they were registered as nation on the surface of globe.
Here is the point to understand by seasonal rivals.
India should realize the threat of monkey business.
We do not need order so to alert our eagles, lions of desert and whales.
Hunting is our hobby and flight is our routine.
Our eagles are always on their swift flight to prey the target and scavenge the dirt from our marked domain of interest.
Thrash! One more funny business of India on behest and behalf would be treated as punishable.
India should abstain and avoid the pleasure of securing the intent by simply placing the placebo of inadvertency.
Accidents are the most common catastrophe of recklessness and people who jeopardize standing operative procedures are exposed and vulnerable to accidental injury as well.
Though we admit and regard the plea of inadvertency and pardon but please don’t make it a habit.
Pakistan Zinda baad
I must admit … that last post was Ineligible. I do hope Capt (R) Dr Razahaider you werent incharge of internal communications in our armed forces.
Anyhoo, on to the business at hand. Its very easy to cry havok and let loose the dogs of war, but seriously think about it.
The economy is in shambles, the government can barely afford to run itself. What do you think a full blown war with India will result in? Quite obvious really.
Asides from that the sheer scale of the indian military dwarves ours, if you put it down to a battle of attrition then the greater numbers have the advantage.
I’m not one for illogical embellishment of our eagles, whales,lions of deserts, hippopotamus, giraffe or even jelly fish! Heck, you can bring the entire National Geographic Channel repertoire for all I care.
The sad fact is lives will be lost, families will be devastated and our country in shambles.
This isnt a game of cricket, no one will ‘thrash’ anyone, blood and pain will be resultant on both sides.
Dont harbour any illusions about it.
My only consolation is that India in all likelihood, will not war us. They are aware of the ramifications to their own economy and the regional balance of power.
A2Z I mean Asif Zardari will divided pakistan furthermore like his father-in-law who did it in 1971
There’s a task from Cabala to kill everybody who takes name of One God/Allah till 2012.
And whole pak was created in the name of one God its diff that we are only nominal-muslims due to globalization
UK/US controlling both india and pak and pak army and gov both are in their controlled so they cant make a self-decision which could be crucial point for pak public while there’s no national cohesion in pak.
We must be fearless in confronting the cabal. Its power is built on lies. Evil is unreal. It is the absence of Good, a kind of obsessive envy. Sick and unwholesome, it resembles a dilapidated shed. Kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse!
kudos to PAF for the quick response. they shudve lit up the indian aircraft with missiles and let them crash in our territory and claim them as war trophies. if its a fight india wants, its a fight india will get…
Dr Raza
Thank you and keep us posted we need your prospective and openion.
Sovereignty! Hahaha! What about the western front! This is the dance of the Bakra. The media in Pakistan seem to have gone bezerk as they were during Bangladesh and Kargil debacles.
Ha ha. Terrorist state is shivering and trying to take the moral high ground. Frauds.
u 2 above must be from india and tryin to put fire on oil as usual according 2 ur habits which was appear in British rule. u r a lackeys of Israel and do touch their feet its true we are small country in front of ya and sum debacle occurs from us but just becuz our leaders mis-handling and ur feeders means Israel with US helped came and did bargain on our leaders and the matter got resolved for a few yrs.
Well there’s last and final fight gonna go with u cowards if we unleash our Al-Qaeda guys aka freedom-fighters towards ya then ur fiasco time will start and ur dream of becoming world sole-shoe-super-power will remain in Abyss.