Musharraf honored as “Big Speaker” at Stanford

Musharraf CryMusharraf has been asked to speak as the “Big Speaker” at Stanford University when millions of us Pakistanis want him to be tried for his crimes.

Please take time to contact the Office of the President of Stanford University, condemning the invitation and asking Stanford to cancel the event. Please refer to the specific crimes of Musharraf, especially the treason of 3rd Nov, the unconstitutional NRO, the missing people, the high-level corruption and illegal allotment of lands, the destruction of institutions and absolute misuse of power.

In an email to her US Spokesman Mark Seigel, Benazir had put the blame on Musharraf for her assassination if that ever happened

Mail

Office of the President
Building 10
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305-2061

Phone
(650) 723-2481

Fax
(650) 725-6847

Emails
hennessy@stanford.edu
president@stanford.edu
mjr@stanford.edu

Spread the word. The more people contact Stanford the better.


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Comments

151 responses to “Musharraf honored as “Big Speaker” at Stanford”

  1. Anas Imtiaz Avatar

    Hmm…way to go! Musharraf was so much better than these guys. I’d love to see him speaking. I wish he comes to the UK for some lectures too.

  2. Le Mystique Avatar

    It seems he would like to stay in the news for the next 2 years. Once 2 years are up, he would be eligible to enter politics.

    What a come up it would turn out to be if it ever happens…

    It seems General Mush didn’t learn anything from General Zia’s supposedly exploding mangoes 😛

  3. Le Mystique Avatar

    ¤What a come BACK it would…

  4. Aijaz Avatar
    Aijaz

    This is great for Pakistan. Unfortunately, the illiterate population of Pakistan fails to realize themselves what is good for Pakistan. They prefer corrupt politicians overs than freedom, education and development.

  5. barristerakc Avatar
    barristerakc

    Why I am not surprised for seeing Pakistan Taliban Itehad aka Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaaf
    Lads ridiculing a former and prorably the best head of state Pakistan ever had, President Mushraff? chalo even if we don’t agree with him and loathe him; why should one choose to call Stanford University and further embarrass and defame our country? When you are outside Pakistan; You should act as a Pakistani not PTI, PML-N, PPP, MQM or anyone else…

    Thanks God that the speech is only for students and faculty members only .
    I request all Pakistani(s) to email Stanford University a dossier of Mushraff(s) achievement and words of support. I will make sure they get atleast 1000+ emails…Get the lads working on it from today to counter Pakistan Tahreek-e-Taliban of Imran Khan.

  6. Naeemuddin. Khalid Avatar
    Naeemuddin. Khalid

    He was President of Pakistan. His policies were to safegaurd Pakistan against self Sharia people the same policies are being continued by Demeocrated Govt. of PPP.

    As for as economic instability is concerned its Worls crisis even Bush could not stop it.

    On Military front the only enemy of Pakistan is INDIA which will think 100 time before attack Pakistan. Because All Prime Ministers & Presidents never compromised on Strengthening Military.

    Bravo to all Ministers & Presidents of Pakistan.

    NGO based civil society will never like that their incomming charity should stop thats why ther create hurricane in cup saucers.

    ZARDAR Zindabad

  7. A Pakistani Avatar
    A Pakistani

    Musharraf was one of the best President’s Pakistan had, leave alone some of his big mistakes at the end of his tenure which led him to his failure.

    But understand it well well clear, that Musharraf has not resigned because of no lawyer movement OR democracy.

    It was all because of no good US which realized quite late that Pakistan is getting stabilized on their expense.

    And this is how they took revenge (by so called democracy of masoom Pakistani illetrate and unaware awaam) :S

    And Samad Khurram, if you really have to do ehtajaaj, do it against Zardari — who simply played out you and your beloved Aitezaz so well that you didn’t even understood what happened.

  8. Junaid Avatar
    Junaid

    I guess we should let him be and a reminder how wrong our choice collectively was that we let Zardar in…
    he is there not because of stanford but because some bas????s we choose, by voting them in, in worst security situation…

  9. munawar Avatar
    munawar

    I really beleive that based on couple of years back Mr. Musharraf is the best option to stabilise our economy. I remember some time end of 2006 Mr. Musharraf in his interview mentioned that in his opinion the return of Ms. Banazir and Mr Nawaz will have a negative impact on the economy of Pakistan, and that proved right.

  10. Asim Avatar
    Asim

    What a ridiculous call to condemn an invitation to stanford. Gen. Musharraf was/is a great leader. The country was on the road to progress and prosperity under his rule. Today the country is a laughing stock under Zardari and Gillani

  11. Arshad Khan Avatar
    Arshad Khan

    You guyz can’t even figure it out yet that none of the leaders we have had in the past and present are capable of doing anything for the country based on their dealings in the past. I guess it is because you are all looking at things subjectively with personal prejudices rather then objectively with out personal prejudices.

    I think you guyz deserve what you get.

  12. hello Avatar
    hello

    Is it just me or everyone here is out of his mind praising musharraf ?
    do you ppl have such short memories? have you forgot in just 6 months that what musharraf did to our country? he was a bloddy dictator and nothing else.

  13. hello Avatar
    hello

    this is yet another example of the dual standards of west, for them democracy is only what suits their own vested interests, for them ahmhednijad is a dictator while musharraf is the champion of democracy

  14. Nomi Avatar
    Nomi

    Such a biased article should not be posted in this bolg to maintain the credibility of this blog. Articles and news should represent the views of the majority and not for any particular political party.
    If corruption, assasinations are the criteria, then no politician of Pakistan should be allowed to enter another country.

  15. Teeth Maestro Avatar

    To all those who still believe Musharraf was a better choice – knock some sense into your thick headed minds – he negotiated an NRO to save his ass, after he had out lived his ‘tenure’ leaving us in the hands of the corrupt and crooked like BB and Zardari – I believe he is as criminal as Zardari is now.

    He then left us at the hands of the devil ‘just so’ to teach the people of Pakistan a lesson. If he had been even the slightest bit patriotic he would never had left us in the hands of a devil – heck, anyone looks better then the devil – sadly yes we are at the bottom of the cess pool and Musharraf played his due role back then, as much as Zardari is playing his role now.

    Id never hail Musharraf as a leader who could wish his countrymen such a sordid faith – maybe some might want to read this heartfelt artcile written a few months back – its worth a read – specially all those “Musharraf lovers”

    Sick of Musharraf Lovers – A Factual Rant

  16. anon Avatar
    anon

    teeth maestro I suggest you check the ip addresses of the people leaving comments here praising musharraf, I think you will find them all to be the same

  17. Arshad H. Zubairi Avatar
    Arshad H. Zubairi

    on one hand you spoorts democracy and on other hand when someone praises Musharaf, it will burn you all togather and uses un acceptable language, very shameful act my dear friend. What is this?? Awab,
    every body is right to speak and think on his own.. Kindly do not think in IMRAN KHAN way.. Please

  18. Asad Ali Avatar
    Asad Ali

    @barrister,

    no wonder mystique mentionned mangoes. I prefer two
    big Tarbooz, one for you to replace your evil brain
    sharing with F***ng Tony Blair, your hero, and
    other to stuff into Musharraf’s arse in the name of 700
    Pakistanis he soldout to FBI his Harami father with
    some shoes throwing at him with NRO printed on them.
    any other concrete suggestion is welcomed !!

  19. Asad Ali Avatar
    Asad Ali

    @teeth maestro,

    YOU ARE SO RIGHT, STRAIGHT FORWARD AND CORRECT
    THAT I WISH TO OFFER YOU A BRILLIANT AYURVEDIC
    MANJAN.

    IMRAN KHAN IS 20.000 TIMES BETTER THAN ALTAF MONGOL.

    @ YOU CAN NOT CONTROL PEOPLE’S THINKING LIKE YOURS
    MQM’S NAZIS KILLERS DO

  20. dr.jawwadkhan Avatar
    dr.jawwadkhan

    isn’t the double standard of the western societies that on the one hand they propagate more about human rights,civil liberties democracy and freedome and on the other hand they honour a dictator and violator of the constitution.
    just because he served the west very well….?
    even according to the western standards pervez musharraf like people should be treated like a tooth pick or tissue paper.you wipe your filth and throw it away.
    he received the full reward for the duties why is there so thankfulness?

  21. barristerakc Avatar
    barristerakc

    LOL.Pakistan Taliban Itehad aka Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaaf (combo of Jamaat-e-Islami & what was Qaumi Jamhoori Party of Asghar Khan) is allergic to Mushraff whom we all greatly miss for his courageous decisions to take-on Jehadis and the NGO-Types heads on. In couple of years Insh’Allah our “Mac will be back” and will be get atleast 30-40 MNA(s) realistically supporting him and will finish the unfinished agenda of sending Jehadis to hell and we all know where Imran Khan would end up? He will end up being another Asghar Khan or Nawabzada Nasurallah Khan.

    Obviously, Mushraff made bad decisions but still as Cowasjee puts it, “he’s the better of the worst lot”. Mushraff(s) right policies of continuing war against terror and smoking the Arab scum out of their filthy rat holes continues for the better of Pakistan.

    And I do not get what exactly Imran Khan types want? If Zardari goes Nawaz Sharif comes? Will he make a difference? Or Imran Khan believes that repetition of Nawaz Sharif will only bring real democracy?For the sake of stability: this government should continue with all her bads and we all know Immi lad will be fooled again by Nawaz Sharif like he made a micky out of him by hijacking the lawyers movement and then stabing Imran Khan and old ARD to contest elections.Idealism will take you to where Palejo, Asghar Khan and prorably Mehmood Khan Achakzai is standing today.

    Fool me once shame on you; Fool me twice shame on me!!! we know whose really thick – innit lads? Mushraff Zindabad!

  22. Asad Ali Avatar
    Asad Ali

    @barrister,^

    fool yourself twice shame on you !!

    Altafian Musharraf gandoo Murdabad

  23. Nomi Avatar
    Nomi

    @ Teeth Maestro! what else Musharraf had in options to left us with. Zardari was brought in cooperation with Nawaz and Altaf. The only agenda of Nawaz was to expel Mush from the office no matter what does it cost. Mush made every efforts to remain in power. Is there any other leader you could suggest who would better serve the country.

  24. karachikhatmal Avatar

    hahahahaha

    Teeth Maestro, you have become the Espresso, or Good Times of Pakistani blogs – everyone wants to be here since its the “cool” place to be.

    back in post march 2007 – september 2008 it was impossible to find a pro-musharraf comment on this website…

    how times have changed…

    i’m sorry, but this is hilarious… hahahahahaha

  25. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    Oh God !!
    Paksitanis need someone to hate!They cannot hate Bajrani,they cannot hate Zardari,they cannot hate Benazir who in the whole of International press has convinced Army and ISI is the worst enemy.Who has on record convinced US Musharaff is supporting Talibaan .Benazir has given this concept to International world that Pakistan army,Musharaff and ISI are supporting Talibaan.
    Shame on journalists who sit on tea cups with Gora Sahab and say that PAksitan army and ISI is BIKEE HUWEE KARAI KI QATEL,TAke them over and kill Pakistanis ,Pakistanis are full of Extremist,Talibaan is everywhere??
    So who is friend Zardari in the name friendship goodwill he has signed open borders with India and has no problem to work under Indian Umbrella.
    Yes India has every right to do whatever they want to Pakistan our Prime minister Benazir and Zardari have accepted that.Our Benazir has given this right to them.
    People’s choice is Nawaz ,champion of Democracy ,who will bring Khilafat will send COAS to India and secured position for his even grand children.
    People want Zardari in the name of Democracy,A party which never had any election,Prime Minister himself is hostage to Zardari
    This is exactly the Democracy US wants in Pakistan.Where Democracy is the heaviest drug ,kill every Muslim in Pakistan who is Muslim because he is extremist.
    Oh What a perfect plan Civillians fight there own army .What does India need to do?
    What does US want to do?
    Pakistanis themselves will kill each other ,take over their own army and will drive Pakistan to Caves time.
    The question West is asking is Pakistanis are not capable o moniter their Nuclear arsenal?
    India is saying Pakistan is taken over by Talibaan and because they are Idol Worshippers they have biggest fear from being taken over by Talibaan.
    So they must be able to bomb Pakistan until any Pakistani living all of them are Talibaan.
    Yes !Five Hundred Missing people!!!
    No worries soon whole of Pakistan is going to go missing.
    Adliya and Wakeel!!!
    People who could not defend these FiveHundred missing in US and started dancing in the streets of Pakistan what efforts have they done to recover these people?
    Musharaff is not comming to Politics why should he?

  26. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    People like it or not,when Musharaff opens his mouth ,world has to listen.Yes he was General,but not just a General,he has International vision of Politics ,he understands Geo political moves of the world,strategic placing of Pakistan .
    Who went to India during BJP time and didnot compromise.
    Yes ! Indeed he is the person.Who International World needs to listen.
    He works with logic he have given 500 people but saved his men and the country.It is the history of Pakistan,it did not surrender to US .Let us see what Zardari does,and how people fight now???
    Pakistanis can enjoy their tea breaks with Goras.

  27. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    You know people the shame is Zardari’s qualification to be President of Pakistan is Benazir agreed to marry him?What else.
    People ask ,oh what is the name of new president of Pakistan,Bhutto’s husband,Mr.Ten percent ????
    Musharaff Muslims of Africa,Arab and Asia want to listen to him.I am extremely proud of him.He has a vision and Pakistanis deserve a right representation.
    I would like to see him back.
    People who do not want him back,Give me a better person?
    First defence of line is President and Prime Minister give me someone who can save Pakistan from being declared a Terrorist State.
    Where India thinks twice before attacking?
    China supports us without hesitation?

  28. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    In response to my comment do not give me bullshit of Benazir line of policey which she has fed to Pakistan Journalists and Western media.
    Pakistanis who are inspired by Oxford educated feudals and get their ideas from reading Guardian and New York Times,for a change think honestly for yourself,for your children.
    Palestine,Afghanistan,Iraq ,Somalia,Sudan these places were countries once???Russia was a country once?

  29. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    It only took one Gorbacauve to dismental Russia?
    We have two ;Nawaz and Zardari.Pakistan is tiny as compared to Russia?
    What is our chance?We have no time to romance with crap called democracy?

  30. Teeth Maestro Avatar

    @Nomi – get your facts correct, BB was brought in “IN OCTOBER” as the only one willing to accept Musharraf as a dictator, Nawaz denied it, who is to blame, Nawaz or Musharraf.

    Musharraf was out to save his skin regardless of who he choose to sleep with, and by golly he had hopes of landing into bed with BB but as luck would have it, he got Zardari instead LOL.

    @AKC & @Arshad – you both crack me up, it is Zardari who you should also supporting lso along with Musharraf – as the all are as much of a dictator as your leaders sitting in Lundon.

    You tweet Musharraf’s horns simply because he was generous with your organization and allowed you to run for a few years, enjoying the wealth instride.

    You are now against Zardari merely because he is not as generous to your organization as Musharraf was. So please critisize Zardari with the right argument – not a tainted “democracy” issue – Democracy has never been an issue for you – it was merely a game of who can make the most money to keep this city under a constant treat – quite simple

    Please for once stand up and THINK INDEPENDENTLY.

  31. Teeth Maestro Avatar

    @Karachi Khatmal – I must agree, people change like the wind, its never been politics based on fundamentals. but more so – where the tide is turning — for now many have started to believe in the notion of ‘lesser of the two evils’ my argument why the heck do we need any evil – start naming all the politicians and all are corrupt one after the other – they only become corrupt since we DO NOT have an independent Judiciary – that is the bottom line – its like you and I running on a red light – I am sure we will hold back if there is a traffic cop on the other side

    Politicians need that traffic cop – and it shall only come if the judiciary can be independent – of any influence from the bureaucracy. We had a golden opportunity in 2007 – i fear we will never again have such an opportunity again.

    Notice also that it is because of these so many new found musharraf supporters that I have placed a widget on my sidebar “SICK AND TIRED OF MUSHARRAF LOVERS”

  32. karachikhatmal Avatar

    hehehehe

    i notice that you did not refute my claim that teeth maestro is the online version of Good Times, where everyone shows up to be seen and heard.

    sorry, ii’m being mean.

    but i genuinely feel for you, since this was where the anti-Musharraf movement seemed to have its voice (NB – I was not part of that movement, merely an observer) and now its become a place where all sort of inbreds can shout about how much they hate the democratic set up because they seem to think that being anti-government is “cool”

    on a side note, i was trying to find a link for Good Times and stumbled on to this. perhaps the most intellectual issue of that magazine ever.

    https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/02/09/civil-society-activists-inteviewed-in-gt-good-times-magazine

  33. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    sick and tired of reason or run out of reason:)

  34. Nomi Avatar
    Nomi

    Teeth Maestro! u didnt get my point. Nawaz and Altaf gave him vote in NA to become president. Later Nawaz withdrew its ministers from cabinet to save his ass from badnami. If Nawaz doesnt like Zardari’s policies then why doesnt he sit in opposition.
    And if Mush brought in Zardari, why the hell mush was expelled.

  35. farrah k raja Avatar
    farrah k raja

    @SICK AND TIRED OF MUSHARRAF LOVERS”
    @ and now its become a place where all sort of inbreds can shout about how much they hate the democratic set up because they seem to think that being anti-government is “cool”

    My sincere applogy to both of you genius sirs ,i thought it was a blog for anyone to comment.
    I didnot know rights to write are exclusive.
    Good bye

  36. Teeth Maestro Avatar

    @nomi – true – I agree with you on that point to the letter – Nawaz is playing lotta politics and is expected to come into power in a sweeping way…..

  37. karachikhatmal Avatar

    @ Farrah k raja

    I am sorry, i admit that i was being very cliquish and elitist when i wrote that comment.

    my point was that there is an unfortunate tendency to regularly jump on bandwagons, and those who join late are usually the loudest. i myself was one of those late comers, so please don’t take my insight personally.

    TM had been noted for his opposition to Musharraf and his support for the lawyers movement. i don’t agree with a lot of his views, but i used to visit this site to get a feel for what the lawyers movement had going on.

    recently though the comments on this blog have often become the anti-thesis of the blogger’s own thought. usually, that is not noticable since if TM is being anti-PPP or anti-government, its in line with the populist opinion of the time. but the difference comes out in a post like this, where he sticks to his original opinion, and everyone else shouts the popular opinion, instead of rationally countering his thoughts.

    i think all these people come here because its a widely read blog and as such people comment here to be known and heard. again, that’s why i come here as well, so no personal attacks.

    but most of these regular commenters, who usually spout irrational, bigoted and profane arguments don’t seem to have their own blogs. i mean, if they feel so strongly about their own opinions, they should set up their own blogs as well. there is no harm in commenting on this post, and i apologize again for implying that, but i think if you comment so loud and so often, you should produce your own original blogs as well.

    otherwise, the situation feels parasitic to me, because instead of going through the trouble of setting up their own blogs as well to vent their views, and win their internet presence through hard work and persistence, people are content to lazily react to what someone else has to say.

    personally, i would be very interested if you, barrister akc, dr. jawwadkhan and a few others also publish their own blogs, so that we can see what stand you take, what opinions you have. you guys have the majority of comments on this blog, so why not set up your own and we can read about what your original pro-active thoughts are, rather than the reactionary stuff we see.

    again, i am no personal friend of TM, or his personal defender or some sort of net original. i don’t know what his own views on this are, and i am not one to decide how his blog should be like. i am relatively new to the blogosphere, and if i sound very pompous and prone to a group mentality i profoundly apologize for it.

  38. fact finder Avatar
    fact finder

    Former president Musharaf was one of best leaders of our country. you cant prove any sort of corruption against him. during his period situation of Pakistan was pretty better.I agree that he has done some minor mistakes but not like other corrupt leaders.
    LONG LIVE PERVEZ MUSHARAF!!!

  39. fact finder Avatar
    fact finder

    why in hell should we condemn Stanford University for inviting such an honest & patriotic person?
    Teeth Maestro is jealous of sir musharaf’s honor.
    HAHAHA

  40. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Musharraf Government and SO-CALLED ECONOMIC BOOM/Trickled Down Theories of Imported Economic Managers like Dr Yquoob [Mush setup in State Bank 1999 – 2000, Dr Ishrat Hussein – Governor SPB during Musharraf’s Rampant Regime, Shaukat Aziz.etc.etc..

    Shaukat Aziz and ‘Zionist’ Paul Wolfowitz

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/shaukat-aziz-and-zionist-paul-wolfowitz.html

    Pakistan’s Economy – IMF and World Bank

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/pakistans-economy-imf-and-world-bank.html

    From several TV Talk on Federal and Provincial Budgets also decalred as ‘Tax Free and People Friendly too ‘ show the The Imported Economic Wizzard of the Government one comes to know that things are not very convincing as portrayed by the government representatives particularly for the common people.

    The resources by which the Reserves have been increased to US Dollars 15.00 Billion keeping in view the Trade Deficit of US Dollar 11.00 Billion.

    (This reflects the Non-functional of our industries and Export. Leave the figures on paper aside)

    The rise of the Revenue is due to the following reasons:

    1- Remittance by overseas Pakistanis. The quantum is not known.

    2- American Aid US Dollars 5.00 Billion.

    3- Debt Rise (Borrowing from International Agencies) approx US Dollars 5.00 Billions.

    4- Aid for Earthquake [Actual Figure not known]

    5- Deffrred payment (Relaxation) of Instalment foreign debt by Paris & London Clubs and other lending agencies.

    Tall claims by the government that the budget is common man friendly and relief oriented but what about the price hike?

    The GDP is claimed 7% whereas the government itself has declared inflation of 7.9% (though it is not less than 13%).

    What is the barometer to judge the inflation if not price hike?

  41. Anwar Avatar
    Anwar

    He is up there to present Pakistani point of view – let him! Unless you have a better alternative.

  42. Asad Ali Avatar
    Asad Ali

    @fact finder,

    keep on looking for the facts, but what the 700
    facts your mushy sold to FBI ? and the massacres of
    Laaal Masjid, and Fata and NWFP.
    why not condemning stanford university a colonial
    loving donkey asrses felt respected and honoured
    to invite humanity killers, have they balls to invite
    some revisionist ?? the bastard muslim hating pigs.

    @ yar Khatmal bhai,

    change is eminent and inevitable, when mushy was a
    good son-of-a-bitch he looked different( with all respect
    to his mother)but WHEN HE CHANGED, he became a pig !!

  43. Kanwal Avatar
    Kanwal

    Without offence to any contributor here , my fellow pakstanis , please avoid defaming our leaders in the west! What a shame.

    It is all those very well educated pakistanis who bring shame to this country by criticising their own people with the west who want to make Pakistan a laughing stock for the world. They sit there and discuss this country. Whats done is done. Who came or who went is history.

    To Bring new change, BE THE CHANGE YOU’D LIKE TO SEE.

    ATLEAST GO AND VOTE NEXY TIME.

    Enough talking and criticising our own Pakistani people, Hello!

    You are of no pride to Pakistan or its people if you defame, criticise, or back bite against its generals, or lawyers, or present presidents.

    WE ALL ARE ONE.

    INTELLECTUAL AND PATRIOTIC PAKISTANIS LIKE US NOW NEED TO STEP AHEAD AND TAKE INTEREST IN OUR VOTING RIGHTS, AND PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS.

    INSHALLAH HUMARA MULK LAAKHON SE BEHTAR HAI.

    STOP SULKING. START MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND SHOW SOME RESPECT, UNITY AND TEAM SPIRIT. OUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU ALL.

    Pakistan ZINDABAD!

    Kanwal Malik

  44. Samad Khurram Avatar
    Samad Khurram

    There are 3 different strands of arguments which are actually really disturbing. I am going to address them here:

    1) That Musharraf was better than the Zardari disaster. This is hard to fight against but remember it was Musharraf’s NRO and his sacking of the judiciary, the only independent judiciary in Pakistan which paved way for this disaster. Had Musharraf not given the NRO, Zardari would have never come to Pakistan (and the same with Benazir for that matter).

    Even if Musharraf did give the NRO, the Supreme Court correctly put a stay order on it. It would have been overruled as it violates the fundamental principles of the constitution – such as all Pakistanis are equal.

    Musharraf is to blame for the mess he left us in – and a few other actors too, perhaps. If you can’t see that I am sorry there is no point indulging in an intellectual debate with you.

    2) That we should display a grandeur of unity before others. Please ! The reason why we don’t progress is because we can not tolerate criticism from any side. Let’s not be hypocritical and pretend all is well. That does not help us. What will help is constructive introspection and criticism.

    What people here are suggesting is nothing different from what Israelis do abroad. They all refuse to accept criticism and shun everyone who have genuine reasons to speak against them. Pakistan completely ignored the world criticism of its activities during the Bangladesh War, the military operations in Balochistan and crack down in Karachi. Had we opened our ears to constructive criticism, we would not have killed so many of our own countrymen in Karachi, Balochistan and Bangladesh.

    3) That Musharraf was not corrupt and so is the best choice for us. According to the Constitution of Pakistan, the biggest crime is not corruption or money laundering or rape or murder or arson but is treason against the state of Pakistan. Musharraf has done that not once but twice. There is no pardon for treason and the punishment is clearly defined in Article VI of the constitution.

    Of course this is not to say that corruption or money laundering is fine. Both of them are wrong and those involved should be stopped. However the correct perspective must be taken to understand the intensity of the crime.

    The only way Pakistan is to progress is to make sure all those who have committed crimes against the people of Pakistan are brought to justice and tried in an independent, not PCO-ed or Dog-ar-ed court. Without that our cyclical history will continue.

  45. Unaiza Fatima Avatar
    Unaiza Fatima

    The best thing Musharraf did was to kick out Iftikhar Chaudhury from his office. In Chaudhury’s tenure, Judiciary had become the second most corrupt institution in Pakistan, second only to Police. Even after he was ousted, this sick retard has left no means to destroy the judiciary even further, by inflaming the so-called lawyers movements and practically jammed down the legal system.
    The worst thing Musharraf did was to allow private TV channels without any set rules and code-of-conduct. These TV channels are paid instruments of propaganda.

  46. Unaiza Fatima Avatar
    Unaiza Fatima

    @Samad Khurram
    “…the only independent judiciary in Pakistan which paved way for this disaster.”
    The ONLY INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY…hmmm let me think…oh yes the only independent judiciary led by Justice Iftikhar Chaudhury who himself took part in “high treason” according to Article 6 of the Constitution of Pakistan by taking oath under PCO in January 2000. On the contrary, one can understand the state of mind of this hypocrite when he suggests punishment for PCO judges.
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/05/26/top7.htm
    In his tenure, Judiciary had become one of the most corrupt institutions in Pakistan, as recorded by Tranparency International in 2006.
    http://www.transparency.org.pk/documents/PRESS%20RELEASE%2012%20August%202006.pdf

    One should do some fact finding before making any statements. This is my sincere advice to Mr. Samad Khurram.

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    Masuud Qazi

    ROFL on all dumbholes for their defense of the US’s poop!

    What honor do you see in a man who proved to be a shameless liar? What character do you see in a man who mocked women who were raped – and then lied about it, and then was exposed lying about it to the whole world by the Washington Post e.g.? What character do you see in a man who chose the cowards way out that was offered to him by the political leaders?
    For you who have forgotten it, “Women claim rape in Pakistan to get immigration” – Pervez Musharraf to CNN. So much for enlightened moderation.

    He is fond of street justice. In his own words when people were slaughtered in broad daylight on 12th may “Today we have shown our power”. This guy does not even deserve to be a street thug. He should be dragged through streets and lynched!

    And I’ll wait when you discuss those slenderest of positive deeds of his which of course is buried under the higher in ratio of his traitorous acts.

    He made IR of Pakistan better by bowing down, merchandising Pakistanis that breaches the constitutional law as well, launching the foreign strategies in war against terrorism by crushing the Sovereignty of Pakistan. It has long-lasting consequences, certainly negative. Can’t go on repeating it over and again and can’t listen to incoming incoherent reasonings of proving him a clean-handed honorable President.

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    Masuud Qazi

    He came in as a dictator, greeted with a garland of flowers, and exited with a garland of shoes(from majority of the Pakistani people that is, never mind the guard of honor he got). He is lucky not to have left with a floral wreath.
    Call it ultimate extremism or what, I want to live for the day when he’s hanged on a public chowk after being prosecuted fully in depth about his evil-doings, satanic traits, par for now, its impossible since an equal satan is our President!

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    Masuud Qazi

    This guy has bent Pakistan over and fucked it in the butt with a bamboo! (pleasant way of putting it). He deserves no sympathy for his actions.

    And if your bastard Mush hadnt put the NRO in, taken away his cases from Swis courts, that 100 Billion corrupt 10 % wouldnt have been in this command. Sigh, the horrendous gifts of your Busharraf!
    Money laundering cases of 10% done by yesterday forever! NRO on the 5th Oct 07, a day before the general becomes president.
    Rings bells, doesn’t it?
    Mush R.I.P.!
    Party now!