The Peoples Resistance invites you to. “The Blasphemy Law: An Objective Assessment from Religious, Legal & Social Perspectives”
Date: Saturday 24th October, 2009
Time: 5:30 PM
Location: PMA House, Karachi
Some Speakers include:
Dr. Khalid Zaheer,
Advocate Zain Sheikh
Other notable Human Rights Experts and Minority Group Representatives will speak and attend the Seminar.
Chaired and Moderated by Retd Justice Mr. Rana Bhagwandas.
The Peoples’ Resistance (PR) is a civil society group that advocates and supports the Rule of Law and Constitutionalism in our homeland. We, at the PR, are deeply perturbed by the recent blasphemy related incidents in Gojra and other places where many innocent people were subjected to shameless violence and destruction and would like to sponsor an open and objective dialogue aimed at understanding the Blasphemy Law and its implications for our society. In this context, we are organizing a seminar on Saturday, October 24, 2009, at the PMA House, Karachi at 5:30pm under the title of:
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149 responses to “The Blasphemy Law: An Objective Assessment from Religious, Legal & Social Perspectives”
Comment by asim on October 31, 2009 @ 7:43 am
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see!there is other aspect of mannerism.people are irritated more with frequent large posts than the use of abusive language.
no one except you complained about my abusive language but many have been complained about your abuse of keyboard.
Dear Amir Mughal! – you presented a very wrong and infact dangerous interpretations of these above menttioned ayat e muqqadisa. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
HOWEVER – this rule DOES NOT relieve you from your duties.
what are the duties? duties are:[Dr Jawwad Khan]
Dear Amir Mughal! muslim is like a traffic sargeant on the signal. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
i presented sahih ahadith clearly refuting his many false claim [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I didn't interpret the verse at all, I had just presented the verses as they were. By the way you have already done the job of Traffic Sergeant unknowingly to that supporter of Ghamidi, read the verse:
ادْعُ إِلِى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright. [AN-NAHL (THE BEE) Chapter 16 Verse 125]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Youu have already done the job of Traffic Sergeant unknowingly to that supporter of Ghamidi, read the Hadith:
[As per Bukhari – transmit them my message, even a single one – Arabic Balligho Anni Walo Ayat].
Your job is finished rest is upon him and above all Allah because there is no compulsion in Deen.
Read more:
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false dieties and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold, which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower {The Cow – II (Soora All-Baqara) Verse 256}
وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لآمَنَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَكُونُواْ مُؤْمِنِينَ
And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldnt thou (MOHAMMAD) compel men until they are believers? {Jonah – X (Soora Yunus) Verse 99}.
اتَّبِعْ مَا أُوحِيَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ لا إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَأَعْرِضْ عَنِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ
وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ مَا أَشْرَكُواْ وَمَا جَعَلْنَاكَ عَلَيْهِمْ حَفِيظًا وَمَا أَنتَ عَلَيْهِم بِوَكِيلٍ
Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them. Revile not those unto whom they they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do (Cattle – VI (Soora Al Anam) Verse 107, 108).
فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُذَكِّرٌ
لَّسْتَ عَلَيْهِم بِمُصَيْطِرٍ
إِلَّا مَن تَوَلَّى وَكَفَرَ
فَيُعَذِّبُهُ اللَّهُ الْعَذَابَ الْأَكْبَرَ
Remind them, for thou art but a remembrancer, Thou art not at all a warder over them. But whoso is averse and disbelieveth, Allah will punish him with direst punishment. [AL-GHASHIYA (THE OVERWHELMING, THE PALL) Chapter 88 Verse 21, 22, 23, 24]
see!there is other aspect of mannerism.people are irritated more with frequent large posts than the use of abusive language. no one except you complained about my abusive language but many have been complained about your abuse of keyboard. [Dr Jawwad Khan/Asim's Post]
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Because you are failed at blogging. You have to come to other blogs in order to scribble some graffiti. [asim]
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Dear Friends,
Compare your and Asim Sahab's statement above:
My long posts [specifically in this Thread were consist upon Quranic Verses and Hadith of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH], and you are saying that my posts are more irritating [do you mean Quran and Hadith irritating?] than your abusive posts?
May Allah help us all.
Because you are failed at blogging. You have to come to other blogs in order to scribble some graffiti. [asim]
see!there is other aspect of mannerism.people are irritated more with frequent large posts than the use of abusive language. no one except you complained about my abusive language but many have been complained about your abuse of keyboard. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Friends,
Do you call this "Abuse" of Keyboard.
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:
نضّر الله إمرا أسمع مقالتي فودعها ثم أداها إلى من لم يسمعها
"May Allah bless him who listens from me Hadith, preserves it and then conveys it to those who have not listened." (Bukhari)
بلّغوا عنّي و لو آية
"Convey (to others) from me, even if it is a single statement" [Bukhari]
فليغلغ الشاهد الغائب
"It is mandatory for those who are present should convey (my message) to those who are not present". [Bukhari]
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Dear Amir Mughal!
muslim is like a traffic sargeant on the signal.if some one breaks the signal and later on in high speed he crasehes his car and kills some one .then only the violator will be punished not the traffic sergeant HOWEVER the traffic seargent will be accountable on not stopping the violator.
you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm]
Dr Jawwad Sahab says…
ABUSE OF KEYBOARD
you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm]
“And there should be a group amongst you who invite towards good, order for acknowledged virtues, forbid from sin and these it is that are the successful ones” (Ale Imran- 3:104).
“The believers, men and women, are protectors of each other: they enjoin what is right and forbid what is evil.”
(sura Tauba, 9:71)
similar order is also narrated in hadith e mubarika:
“…..I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.”
(sahih muslim -Book #001, Hadith #0079)
i insist on my foul language against those lowlives pigs meanwhile you can stop reading my posts. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
Because you are failed at blogging. You have to come to other blogs in order to scribble some graffiti. Get some life, breath some fresh air or may be find a job at a DHOBEE GHAAAT.[Asim]
see!there is other aspect of mannerism.people are irritated more with frequent large posts than the use of abusive language. no one except you complained about my abusive language but many have been complained about your abuse of keyboard. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
bottom line javed ghamidi and dr.khalid zaheer are two biggets lying sons of bitch [dr jawwad khan on October 31, 2009 @ 1:51 am]
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'Abdullah bin 'Amr [May Allah be pleased with him] said: Allah's Apostle said. "It is one of the greatest sins that a man should curse his parents." It was asked (by the people), "O Allah's Apostle! How does a man curse his parents?" The Prophet said, "'The man abuses the father of another man and the latter abuses the father of the former and abuses his mother." [Bukhari]
Dr Jawwad Sahab says…
ABUSE OF KEYBOARD
muslim is like a traffic sargeant on the signal.if some one breaks the signal and later on in high speed he crasehes his car and kills some one .then only the violator will be punished not the traffic sergeant HOWEVER the traffic seargent will be accountable on not stopping the violator.
you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm]
Dr Jawwad Sahab says…
ABUSE OF KEYBOARD
you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm]
“And there should be a group amongst you who invite towards good, order for acknowledged virtues, forbid from sin and these it is that are the successful ones” (Ale Imran- 3:104).
“The believers, men and women, are protectors of each other: they enjoin what is right and forbid what is evil.”
(sura Tauba, 9:71)
similar order is also narrated in hadith e mubarika:
“…..I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.”
(sahih muslim -Book #001, Hadith #0079)
see!there is other aspect of mannerism.people are irritated more with frequent large posts than the use of abusive language. no one except you complained about my abusive language but many have been complained about your abuse of keyboard. [Dr Jawwad Khan/Asim's Post]
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Because you are failed at blogging. You have to come to other blogs in order to scribble some graffiti. [asim]
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you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm]
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bottom line javed ghamidi and dr.khalid zaheer are two biggets lying sons of bitch [dr jawwad khan on October 31, 2009 @ 1:51 am]
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ABUSE OF KEYBOARD vs Foul Language
Abusing.
Narrated Abu Hurayrah (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘When two persons indulge in abusing each other, the beginner will be the sinner, so long, as the oppressed does not transgress the limits.’ [Muslim]
Narrated Samurah Ibn Jundub (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘Do not curse one another, invoking curse of Allah or Wrath of Allah or the fire of Hell.’ [Sunan Abu Dawood and Sunnan Tirmidhi]
To curse a Muslim is akin to killing him. Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘Cursing a believer is like murdering him.’ [Agreed upon – Riyad As Saleheen by Imam Nuwvi]
The act of cursing is such that one who does it can himself become a recipient of it.
Narrated Abu Darda (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘When a person curses (La’nah; to ask that something be deprived of Allah’s Mercy) somebody or something, the curse goes up to the heaven and the gates of the heaven are closed. Then it comes down to the earth and its gates are closed. Then it turns right and left, and if it does not find an entrance to go anywhere, it returns to the person or thing that was cursed, if he or it deserves to be cursed; otherwise, it returns to the person, who uttered it.’ [Sunnan Abu Dawood]
Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) also warned, ‘Those who frequently resort to cursing would neither be accepted as witnesses nor as intercessors on the Day of Resurrection.’ [Saheeh Muslim]
It is not allowed to curse, disgrace or humiliate even a sinner because in doing so, one helps the Shaytan, who is avowed to disgrace and humiliate Muslims before Allah.
Narrated Abu Hurayrah (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘A drunkard was brought to the Prophet (PBUH). He said, ‘Give him a beating.’ Then some beat him with their hands, some with their shoes, and some with (a folded) piece of cloth. When he left, someone said to him, ‘May Allah disgrace you!‘ The Prophet (PBUH) said, ‘Do not help Shaytan overcome him by uttering such words.’ [Bukhari]
Moreover, it is incorrect to curse a sinner because perhaps, the person may have sought Istagfar (forgiveness/repentance for one’s sins) and Allah, the All-Forgiving, may have forgiven the person for his transgression.
It is related in Saheeh Muslim that during the time of Allah’s Messenger (PBUH), when a woman was being punished for the sin of adultery, her blood spurted upon Khalid Ibn Waleed (May Allah be pleased with him), who swore at her. Thereupon, the Prophet (PBUH) said, ‘Khalid, be gentle. By Him, in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven.’ He (PBUH) then prayed over her and she was buried. Therefore, the right conduct would be to pray for his or her guidance and refrain from any critique, cursing or humiliation.
Taunting [to insult, reproach mockingly or disgrace someone, insulting to his lineage, appearance or shortcoming]
Narrated Ibn Mas’ood (May Allah be pleased with him), ‘Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) said, ‘A true believer is not involved in taunting, or frequently cursing or in indecency or abusing.” [Tirmidhi]
@aamir sb – I seriously dont understand your style of discussion – if you have something pertinent to say please discuss it – throwing the entire encyclopedia of quoted material on every point is seemingly over reactionary and defintely uncalled for
Lets tame this down
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
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thanks for quoting these aayat e mubarika.
ibn e kathir explained these verses very well. he wrote that(forgive my translation) "it is mentioned here, not to force any one to become a muslim…..there is also one narration when a guy name hussaini(ra)from the tribe of banu salim bin auf,who became muslim and his 2 sons remained christians.he came to rasoolullah(saw) and sought the permission to convert his sons to islam by force.then these aayat descended.
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وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لآمَنَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَكُونُواْ مُؤْمِنِين
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these aayat are expressing the devine care for the aggravated efforts of Nabi e Kareem(saw)and telling that He can not convert all humans on earth to islam because it is against the will of Allah(swt).the good and evil should remain side by side.
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فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُذَكِّرٌ
لَّسْتَ عَلَيْهِم بِمُصَيْطِرٍ
إِلَّا مَن تَوَلَّىٰ وَكَفَرَ
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SURA TAUBA-THE FINAL JUDGEMENT
"Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people"
(sura tauba-14)
"But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief — Lo! they have no binding oaths in order that they may desist"
"Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah), and intended to expel the Messenger while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers.
(sura tauba – 11-13)
"Do you think that you shall be left alone while Allah has not yet tested those among you who have striven hard and fought and have not taken Walijah [(Bitanah – helpers, advisors and consultants from disbelievers, pagans.) giving openly to them their secrets] besides Allah, and His Messenger, and the believers. Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do"
(SURA TAUBA -16)
"Do you consider the providing of drinking water to the pilgrims and the maintenance of Al-Masjidal-Haram (at Makkah) as equal to the worth of those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not equal before Allah. And Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun"
(SURA TAUBA-19)
"Those who believed and emigrated and strove hard and fought in Allah's Cause with their wealth and their lives are far higher in degree with Allah. They are the successful"
(SURA TAUBA-20)
"Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
(SURA TAUBA-29)
"It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it)"
(SURA TAUBA-33)
"If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people; and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is Able to do all
things"
(SURA TAUBA-39)
"March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allah. This is better for you, if you but knew."
(SURA TAUBA-41)
"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day would not ask your leave to be exempted from fighting with their properties and their lives; and Allah is the All-Knower of Al-Muttaqun"
(SURA TAUBA-44)
OH SWEET GOD! i am getting dizzy there are so many aayat regarding jihad and fight…there are so many and i can't copy here all!!!
@dr awab alvi!
right on time. thanks for the intervention.
the funny thing is that @amir mughal did not realized that by posting so rapidly he is endorsing my point that:
"abuse of keybaord is worse than abusive language"
AN INTERESTING POST DATED 30th December 2008, 08:26
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"The aim of this posting is to request all members not to fall into the traps of Ghamidi. At present he is being fully supported by the Qadiyani Lobby against the Hudood Ordinance. The next target given to GEO and Ghamidi is surely to fight against the 295-C Blasphemy Law, to accomodate Qadiyanis."
http://www.pegham.com/mazameen/46699-fitna-javed-…
Teeth Maestro – @aamir sb – I seriously dont understand your style of discussion – if you have something pertinent to say please discuss it – throwing the entire encyclopedia of quoted material on every point is seemingly over reactionary and defintely uncalled for [Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Dr Awab Sahab,
Just explain this?
you are the bigger asshole [dr jawwad khan on October 29, 2009 @ 2:11 pm]
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bottom line javed ghamidi and dr.khalid zaheer are two biggets lying sons of bitch [dr jawwad khan on October 31, 2009 @ 1:51 am]
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SURA TAUBA-THE FINAL JUDGEMENT – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people” (sura tauba-14)[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Please do tell the background as to why these verese were revealed [Shaae-e-Nazool]. Background from Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Ibn-e-Kathir has also included Verse 13 as well in defining the whole context.
أَلاَ تُقَاتِلُونَ قَوْمًا نَّكَثُواْ أَيْمَانَهُمْ وَهَمُّواْ بِإِخْرَاجِ الرَّسُولِ وَهُم بَدَؤُوكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ أَتَخْشَوْنَهُمْ فَاللّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخْشَوْهُ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤُمِنِينَ
قَاتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ وَيُخْزِهِمْ وَيَنصُرْكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَيَشْفِ صُدُورَ قَوْمٍ مُّؤْمِنِينَ
Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 13 and 14]
From Tafsir Ibn-e-Kathir:
"QUOTE"
These Ayat encourage, direct and recommend fighting against the idolators who break the terms of their covenants, those who tried to expel the Messenger from Makkah.
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(SURA TAUBA-19) [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Sir,
Kindly go through the background of this verse given in Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
أَجَعَلْتُمْ سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ كَمَنْ آمَنَ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَجَاهَدَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ لاَ يَسْتَوُونَ عِندَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ
Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the Inviolable Place of Worship as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah? They are not equal in the sight of Allah. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)Chapter 9- Verse 19]
As per Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
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In his Tafsir, Al-`Awfi reported that Ibn `Abbas explained this Ayah: "The idolators said, `Maintaining Al-Masjid Al-Haram and providing water for pilgrims are better than embracing the faith and performing Jihad.' They used to boast and show off among the people because they claimed, they were the people and maintainers of Al-Masjid Al-Haram. Allah mentioned their arrogance and rejection (of the faith), saying to `the people of Al-Haram', who were idolators
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(SURA TAUBA-29) [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Do include verse 28 before quoting verse 29.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَـذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِي
قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ
O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 28 and 29]
Background of the verse above as per Tafsir Ibn Kathir and he is his Tafsir also included Verse 28 as well:
"QUOTE"
The Battle of Hunayn AND OTHER REASON was Idolators are no longer allowed into Al-Masjid Al-Haram Allah commands His believing servants, who are pure in religion and person, to expel the idolators who are filthy in the religious sense, from Al-Masjid Al-Haram. After the revelation of this Ayah, idolators were no longer allowed to go near the Masjid. This Ayah was revealed in the ninth year of Hijrah.
"UNQUOTE"
(SURA TAUBA-33)[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Start from the verse number 30 to understand the context of Verse 33 – given Tafsir Ibn Kathir.
(SURA TAUBA-39) [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Include verse number 38 and then read the background in Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
"QUOTE"
Allah admonishes those who lagged behind the Messenger of Allah in the battle of Tabuk, at a time when fruits were ripe and shades tempting in the intense and terrible heat
"UNQUOTE"
(SURA TAUBA-41)[Dr Jawwad Khan]
Read Verse number 40 [Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq – May Allah be pleased with him is discussed without his name]
﴿إِلاَّ تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِى الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لاَ تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا فَأَنزَلَ اللَّهُ سَكِينَتَهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَيَّدَهُ بِجُنُودٍ لَّمْ تَرَوْهَا وَجَعَلَ كَلِمَةَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ السُّفْلَى وَكَلِمَةُ اللَّهِ هِىَ الْعُلْيَا وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ
انْفِرُواْ خِفَافًا وَثِقَالاً وَجَاهِدُواْ بِأَمْوَالِكُمْ وَأَنفُسِكُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ ذَلِكُمْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ
If ye help him not, still Allah helped him when those who disbelieve drove him forth, the second of two; when they two were in the cave, when he said unto his comrade: Grieve not. Lo! Allah is with us. Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance to descend upon him and supported him with hosts ye cannot see, and made the word of those who disbelieved the nethermost, while Allah's Word it was that became the uppermost. Allah is Mighty, Wise. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 – Verse 40 and 41]
Further background of Verse 41 is given as per Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
"QUOTE"
Sufyan Ath-Thawri narrated from his father from Abu Ad-Duha, Muslim bin Subayh, who said, "This Ayah,
(March forth, whether you are light or heavy) was the first part to be revealed from Surah Bara'ah.'' Mu`tamir bin Sulayman narrated that his father said, "Hadrami claimed that he was told that some people used to declare that they will not gain sin (if they lag behind the forces of Jihad) because they are ill or old. This Ayah was revealed,
(March forth, whether you are light or heavy.)'' Allah commanded mass mobilization together with the Messenger of Allah for the battle of Tabuk, to fight the disbelieving, People of the Book, the Romans, Allah's enemies. Allah ordained that the believers all march forth with the Messenger regardless whether they felt active, lazy, at ease or had difficult circumstances,
"UNQUOTE"
OH SWEET GOD! i am getting dizzy there are so many aayat regarding jihad and fight…there are so many and i can’t copy here all!!![Dr Jawwad Khan]
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VIOLENCE IN QURAN.
Orientalists [Rabid Anti Muslim/Islam Non Muslim Scholars] often quote the verses mentioned below to justify the stereotype that Islam is a religion of violence and intolerance, which was spread by the sword.
إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ
When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY) Chapter 8 Verse 12]
فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 5]
فَإِذا لَقِيتُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَضَرْبَ الرِّقَابِ حَتَّى إِذَا أَثْخَنتُمُوهُمْ فَشُدُّوا الْوَثَاقَ فَإِمَّا مَنًّا بَعْدُ وَإِمَّا فِدَاء حَتَّى تَضَعَ الْحَرْبُ أَوْزَارَهَا ذَلِكَ وَلَوْ يَشَاء اللَّهُ لَانتَصَرَ مِنْهُمْ وَلَكِن لِّيَبْلُوَ بَعْضَكُم بِبَعْضٍ وَالَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَلَن يُضِلَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ
Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. [MUHAMMAD (MUHAMMAD)Chapter 47 Verse 4]
BACKGROUND OF THESE VIOLENT VERSES OF QURAN.
Sura 8 is about a BATTLE – the Battle of Badr – not
just some daily affair. A battles take two side to
occur. Are you under the impression that while these
'horrid' Muslims were fighting, the enemies were
simply standing there like good little peaceful men?
Sura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah
when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by
invasion from Makkah.
Sura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably
quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6.
Why?
Because verse 4 says
إِلاَّ الَّذِينَ عَاهَدتُّم مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَنقُصُوكُمْ شَيْئًا وَلَمْ يُظَاهِرُواْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَحَدًا فَأَتِمُّواْ إِلَيْهِمْ عَهْدَهُمْ إِلَى مُدَّتِهِمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَّقِينَ
Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 4]
And verse 6 says———
وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّى يَسْمَعَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ
How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 6]
Because verse 4 says, "But the treatires are not
dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered
into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you
in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill
your engagements with them to the end of their term:
for God Loves the righteous."
i answered after complete research not by tafheem ul quran but by tafseer ibn e kathir and i know that it is not an official version of ahel e hadith regarding jihad.
its your time to correct it.
not only sura tauba but the whole Quran e Kareem and ahidith e mubarika is full of jihad and qital sabeel illah.
NO dear No body can deny the jihad and qital fi sabeelillah by continously changing the interpretation….at least i can't be fooled.
adopt the line of javed ghamidi…..
you know what does this son of a bitch say?!(kindly consider this abuse as a separate para)
he says time of jihad is over. now it is time for dawat o tableegh…..
what a lying son of a bitch!(kindly consider this abuse as a separate para)
i am ready to discuss any misconception regarding jihad.
but only on one condition…if you bombarded the posts after posts…i shall quit….say what you want to say in one post and let the reader decide who is right…..
ONE POST AT A TIME.
AGREED?
فَذَكِّرْ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُذَكِّرٌ
لَّسْتَ عَلَيْهِم بِمُصَيْطِرٍ
إِلَّا مَن تَوَلَّىٰ وَكَفَرَ
SURA TAUBA-THE FINAL JUDGEMENT [Dr Jawwad]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Had there been any FORCED THRUSTING OF ISLAM then Abu Talb [Father of Hazrat Ali – Mallah be pleased with him and Uncle of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH] would have been forced to embrace Islam. Abu Talib bin Abdul Muttalib didn't embrace Islam and he died as Idolater.
When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:–
"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (9.113)
Reference: [Bukhari – Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar)]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
You were looking for detailed website on Quran and Hadith.
Saudi Arabia's Religious Ministry's website [Arabic and English]
Quran and Tafaseer.
Sihah-e- Sitta and other Hadith sources [Complete]
http://www.al-islam.com/arb/
BACKGROUND OF THESE VIOLENT VERSES OF QURAN.
Sura 8 is about a BATTLE – the Battle of Badr – not
just some daily affair. A battles take two side to
occur. Are you under the impression that while these
‘horrid’ Muslims were fighting, the enemies were
simply standing there like good little peaceful men?
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"VIOLENT VERSES"??? Is this you learnt from study of islam?
"VIOLENT VERSE"???
this is shamless lie that sura tauba descended at the time of battle of badr….when there was do or die situation.
the fact is:
SURA 8(TAUBA) DESCENDED IN 9TH HIJRI….AFTER CONQUEST OF MAKKAH WHEN MUSLIMS ARE IN POWERFULL CONDITION AND THEY WERE ABOUT TO CROSS THE ARABIAN PENNISULA TO FIGHT WITH ROMAN AND PERSIAN EMPIRE.
you should be ashamed of lying about Quran e Kareem.
like teacher(son of a bitch) like follower(pseudo muslim moderates)
SURA TAUBA WAS LAST IN THE ORDER OF DESCEND.
i know that it is not an official version of ahel e hadith regarding jihad. its your time to correct it. NO dear No body can deny the jihad and qital fi sabeelillah by continously changing the interpretation….at least i can’t be fooled. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
What is the official version of Ahl-e-Hadith on Jihad?
Where did I temper with the Interpretation above, I have quoted the same Tafsir Ibn Kathir. See the source link above.
SURA 8(TAUBA) DESCENDED IN 9TH HIJRI…. you should be ashamed of lying about Quran e Kareem. like teacher(son of a bitch) like follower(pseudo muslim moderates) SURA TAUBA WAS LAST IN THE ORDER OF DESCEND. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Instead of bad mouthing you should first raed Quran to learn that Chapter number 8 is AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY) not Sura Tawba as you have wrongly misquoted me above with lot of bad mouthing. May Allah help us in controlling our rage.
you should be ashamed of lying about Quran e Kareem. like teacher(son of a bitch) like follower(pseudo muslim moderates) SURA TAUBA WAS LAST IN THE ORDER OF DESCEND. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawad Sahab,
And you should see before you write that you are raising false allegation. I had said and written Sura Anfal – Chapter 8 not not Surah Tawba – Chapter 9.
“VIOLENT VERSES”??? Is this you learnt from study of islam?
[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I have quoted what Rabidly Anti Islam Non Muslim Scholars say about Islam by misquoting Quranic Verses and quote Quranic Verse out of context.
you should be ashamed of lying about Quran e Kareem.
like teacher(son of a bitch) like follower(pseudo muslim moderates)[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Ghamidi is not my teacher at all and by the way it was you who is Ghamidi indirect student because you have in your scribd profie have a book of Amin Ahsan Islahi [Number 2 of Mawdudi and Imam of Ghamidi].
Tazkeea-e-Nafs 2
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20881156/Tazkeea-e-Nafs…
You must read as to how Amin Ahsan Islahi had interpreted Chapter on Elephant in Quran before calling me a Deviant.
Best Regards
like teacher(son of a bitch) like follower(pseudo muslim moderates)you know what does this son of a bitch say?!(kindly consider this abuse as a separate para) [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Abuse of Keyboard VS Foul Language.
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
You have repeatedly used abusive language against me. Since you follow Hadith, Abuse of Keyboard VS Foul Language.
t is reported on the authority of Ibn Malik Al-Ash'ari [May Allah be pleased with him] that the Messenger of Allah [PBUH] said:
"There are four traits remaining from the Jaahiliyyah to be found in my Ummah, which they will not abandon:
(i) Pride in the nobility of one's ancestors,
(ii) defaming the ancestors of others,
(iii) seeking rainfall from the stars and excessive mourning and wailing for the dead."
And he added: "The wailing woman, if she does not repent before she dies, will be raised on the Day of Resurrection with a dress of liquid tar and a cloak of mange or scabies." (Muslim)
like teacher(son of a bitch) like follower(pseudo muslim moderates)[Dr Jawwad Khan]
Tazkeea-e-Nafs 2 http://www.scribd.com/doc/20881156/Tazkeea-e-Nafs… [Dr Jawwad's Profile]
You must read as to how Amin Ahsan Islahi had interpreted Chapter on Elephant in Quran before calling me a Deviant. [Aamir Mughal]
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Read yourself as to whose book you have in your scribd profile whose Interpretation [Amin Ahsan Islahi i.e. Mawdudi's Number 2 and Ghamdid's Imam] of Surah Fil (105) is as under:[I hope you agree with Islahi]
Surah Fil (105)
http://www.amin-ahsan-islahi.com/?=79
i know that it is not an official version of ahel e hadith regarding jihad. its your time to correct it. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Same Saudi Scholar [Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid – Khobar – Saudi Arabia] who has been quoted by me above on Jihad:
Ruling on jihad and kinds of jihad
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20214/jihad
@Amir mughal!
i am not a free man like you. i have lot work already in pending because of my this activity. Also i set certain targets for a day which i have to achive on every day.
right now i am working on many issues simultaneously.
in this state of aggravation and phatique of mind i made 2 mistakes.
1) i did not read your all posts and couldn't focus on what you wanted to say…
2) i forgot the Quranic order of sura tauba.
i requested you before and i request you once more.
kindly ONE POST AT A TIME and WAIT FOR ANSWER.
otherwise i'll be unable to answer any of your posts.
AN INTERESTING POST DATED 30th December 2008, 08:26 – “The aim of this posting is to request all members not to fall into the traps of Ghamidi. http://www.pegham.com/mazameen/46699-fitna-javed-… One of his student Khalid Zaheer is Munkareen Hadith Like Islahi, Farahi, [Dr Jawwad Sahab's Link]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
You have provided an "Interesting" link above wherein it is also claimed that Amin Ahsan Islahi was Hadith Rejector.
I wonder if Islahi [Number 2 of Mawdudi and Imam of Ghamidi] was a Hadith rejector then what he was doing in Jamat-e-Islami, even if that was not enough then why his in on your Scribd Profile:
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Ghamidi is not my teacher at all and by the way it was you who is Ghamidi indirect student because you have in your scribd profie have a book of Amin Ahsan Islahi [Number 2 of Mawdudi and Imam of Ghamidi].
Tazkeea-e-Nafs 2
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20881156/Tazkeea-e-Nafs…
You must read as to how Amin Ahsan Islahi had interpreted Chapter on Elephant in Quran before calling me a Deviant.
Best Regards
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Have you even gone through your own provided link which you provided on Ghamidi. http://www.pegham.com/mazameen/46699-fitna-javed-…
Prove the Bida'ati Chanting provided in the same forum through Quran and Hadith. The link below is from the same forum wherein the website is promoting a mixture of Haqq and Baatil.
http://www.dawateislami.net/book/readBook.do?bi=3…
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
From the same website which you have quoted on Ghamdi:
بھر دو جھولی میری یا محمد
http://www.pegham.com/manzoom-kalaam/62003-1576-1…
What about these Quranic Verses which are in direct clash with the above mentioned caption:
Dead cannot listen:
وَالَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ لاَ يَخْلُقُونَ شَيْئًا وَهُمْ يُخْلَقُونَ
أَمْواتٌ غَيْرُ أَحْيَاء وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
Those unto whom they cry beside Allah created naught, but are themselves created. (They are) dead, not living. And they know not when they will be raised. [AN-NAHL (THE BEE) Chapter 16 Verse 20 and 21]
إِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى وَلَا تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا وَلَّوْا مُدْبِرِينَ
Lo! thou canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call when they have turned to flee; [AL-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS) Chapter 27 Verse 80]
Allah solves the problems [mean He is the giver and provider further meaning Gharib Nawaz, Mushkil Kusha, Ganj Bukhsh, Daata, Ghaus-e-Azam nothing but Allah is Haqq]
فَتَقَبَّلَهَا رَبُّهَا بِقَبُولٍ حَسَنٍ وَأَنبَتَهَا نَبَاتًا حَسَنًا وَكَفَّلَهَا زَكَرِيَّا كُلَّمَا دَخَلَ عَلَيْهَا زَكَرِيَّا الْمِحْرَابَ وَجَدَ عِندَهَا رِزْقاً قَالَ يَا مَرْيَمُ أَنَّى لَكِ هَـذَا قَالَتْ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ إنَّ اللّهَ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَاء بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ
And her Lord accepted her with full acceptance and vouchsafed to her a goodly growth; and made Zachariah her guardian. Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found that she had food. He said: O Mary! Whence cometh unto thee this (food)? She answered: It is from Allah. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will. [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 Verse 37]
وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ اللّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلاَ كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدُيرٌ
If Allah touch thee with affliction, there is none that can relieve therefrom save Him, and if He touch thee with good fortune (there is none that can impair it); for He is Able to do all things. [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 Verse 17]
وَإِذَا مَسَّ الإِنسَانَ الضُّرُّ دَعَانَا لِجَنبِهِ أَوْ قَاعِدًا أَوْ قَآئِمًا فَلَمَّا كَشَفْنَا عَنْهُ ضُرَّهُ مَرَّ كَأَن لَّمْ يَدْعُنَا إِلَى ضُرٍّ مَّسَّهُ كَذَلِكَ زُيِّنَ لِلْمُسْرِفِينَ مَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ
And if misfortune touch a man he crieth unto Us, (while reclining) on his side, or sitting or standing, but when We have relieved him of the misfortune he goeth his way as though he had not cried unto Us because of a misfortune that afflicted him. Thus is what they do made (seeming) fair unto the prodigal. [YUNUS (JONAH) Chapter 10Verse 12]
OH SWEET GOD! [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
For your kind perusal,
Muslims prefer calling Allah (swt) as Allah, instead of the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word ‘Allaah’ is pure and unique, unlike the English word ‘God’ which can be played around with.
Allah and God!
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/allah-an…
AN INTERESTING POST DATED 30th December 2008, 08:26
the point was not Ameen aehsan islahi or deobandi or barelvi.the point was that the people are well aware of ghamdi's agenda.
tazkiya e nafs is a good book. one can disagree the few interpretations of Ameen Aehsan Islahi, but the fact is his sincerity and knowledge are beyond any doubt.
javed ghamidi is just using his name.
ONE CAN NOT BE RIGHT AND CAN NOT BE WRONG ALL THE TIME.its up to you,pick the right thing and leave the which you don't consider right.
deo bandi, barelvi and wahabi tension has been decreased greatly with time and evantually ended as people interact more with each other.
what clerics said 50 years ago against each other do not say now.
As long as your faith remain affiliated with Quran and Sunnah, no one will come in your way.
one can disagree the few interpretations of Ameen Aehsan Islahi, but the fact is his sincerity and knowledge are beyond any doubt. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Sir,
For your kind perusal,
ISLAHI SCHOOL OF THOUGHT – The Status of Hadeeth and Sunnah in Understanding Quran
http://allaahuakbar.in/jamaat-e-islaami/islahi_sc…
I don’t know whether you are part of it or how many more moderates [Talkhaba]
it means that either you have no idea where javed ghamidi is taking the pakistani muslim “OR” inspite of a wahabi back ground you are one of the “ISLAM ALLERGIC-PSEUDO MUSLIM MODERATE” [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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’خواجہ سراؤں کو نوکریاں دیں‘
شہزاد ملک
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، راولپنڈ
پاکستان کے چیف جسٹس افتخار محمد چوہدری نے حکومت سے کہا ہے کہ وہ خواجہ سراؤں کو معذروں کے کوٹے میں رکھ کر اُن کو نہ صرف معاشرے کا فعال رکن بنائے بلکہ اُن کے لیے نوکریوں کا بھی بندوبست کرے
Wednesday, 4 November, 2009, 11:49 GMT 16:49 PST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/11/091104…
Malik said from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father that an effeminate man was with Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. He said to Abdullah ibn Abi Umayya while the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was listening. "Abdullah! If Allah grants you victory over Ta'if tomorrow, I will lead you to the daughter of Ghailan. She has four folds on her front and eight folds on her back." The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "This sort of man should not enter freely with you." [Muwatta Imam Malik]
A hermaphrodite (mukhannath) who had dyed his hands and feet with henna was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_ him). He asked: What is the matter with this man? He was told: Apostle of Allah! he affects women's get-up. So he ordered regarding him and he was banished to an-Naqi'. The people said: Apostle of Allah! should we not kill him? He said: I have been prohibited from killing people who pray. AbuUsamah said: Naqi' is a region near Medina and not a Baqi'. [Abu Dawud]
'A'isha reported that a eunuch used to come to the wives of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and they did not And anything objectionable in his visit considering him to be a male without any sexual desire. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) one day came as he was sitting with some of his wives and he was busy in describing the bodily characteristics of a lady and saying: As the comes in front tour folds appear on her front side and as she turns her back eight folds appear on the back side. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: I me that he knows these things; do not, therefore. allow him to cater. She (" A'isha) said: Then they began to observe veil from him. [Muslim]
Hasba bill infringes personal freedom: SC By Nasir Iqbal
September 1, 2005 Thursday Rajab 26, 1426
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/01/top4.htm
ISLAMABAD, Aug 31: The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the state cannot enforce any religious obligation stipulated by Islam, except Sallat (prayers) and Zakat. Authored by Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, a 106-page detailed judgment, said that Islamic jurists were unanimous on a point that though zakat was seriously enforced by Hazrat Abu Bakar but for sallat, the only way was through “Taleem” (education), “Tableegh” (preaching) and “Targheeb” (persuasion).
MMA to accept SC decision: Durrani By Anwar Iqbal
July 18, 2005 Monday Jumadi-us-Sani 10, 1426
http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/18/top2.htm
WASHINGTON, July 17: NWFP Chief Minister Akram Khan Durrani has said that he will accept any decision the Supreme Court of Pakistan may take about the controversial Hasba bill, denying reports that he vowed to “wreak havoc” if his democratically elected government was toppled.
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i do not know about you but i feel relaxed when i think of current judiciary. now i know that in judiciary there people who can question the govt and law enforcement agencies. [dr jawwad khan on October 3, 2009 @ 2:23 pm] – Video on Human Rights Abuses by Pakistan Army leads to Censorship
Posted by Teeth MaestroOctober 3, 2009
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oh i forgot its CJ who said this not you….you firmly believe in islam.. right?
you firmly believe in islam.. right?[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Sir,
I have already told you that Death Sentence for Blasphemy is correct but the manner this Law has been abused is wrong because as per Islam [Quran and Hadith] punishment is to be administered by the State and that was my only objection.You have reproduced the translation of Saleh Munnajjid’s Fatwa which I have already quoted above. By the way you have quoted from a site wherein a Mullah is mentioned by the name of Ismail Salafi, I hope you know as to what he has written [book] about JI and Mawdudi.
Read in Hadith about Hermaphrodites and then read CJ’s Ruling and also read as to how “The Free Judiciary” made Hasba Bill, null and void.
Ahl-e-Hadith, Lal Mosque Mullahs or any other Mullahs often get relief from Anglo Saxon Courts [Hafiz Saeed Lashkar-e-Tayyaba] it was only Sufi Mohammad who declared that these courts are Infidels.
Alim-e-Deen prepared Hasba Bill [JUI-JI-JUP] were all partners in MMA and if that Bill was Islamic then why it was rejected by the CJ and if that was not enough MMA accepted the SC decision. Would you like to tell me why they accepted the Verdict of Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry? Why didn’t they start long march against the Judiciary who has rejected the Hasba Bill so openly and yet MMA has the audacity to raise hue and cry over Blasphemy Law and Hudood Ordinance.
I also fail to understand as to why the MMA haven’t filed a Blasphemy Case against GEO TV BECAUSE GEO TV has telecast “The Ten Commandments” [a movie on Prophet Moses – PBUH] and it is an open Blasphemy because Prophet Moses [PBUH]’s role has been played by an actor and there are several scenes which are objectionable. Every Prophet [PBUT] is euqal before Muslims [article of faith] therefore first of all GEO TV should be tried for Blasphemy and yet these Mullahs have the audacity to appear on GEO TV for Political Coverage.
Every Prophet is equal, Quran says…
آمَنَ الرَّسُولُ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مِن رَّبِّهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ كُلٌّ آمَنَ بِاللّهِ وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّن رُّسُلِهِ وَقَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا غُفْرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِي
The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers – We make no distinction between any of His messengers – and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. [AL-BAQARA (THE COW)Chapter 2 – Verse 285]
Read this part of verse:
لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّن رُّسُلِهِ
We make no distinction between any of His messengers
If The Ten Commandments were not enough this GEO TV on several occasion has telecast “The Message” made on Islam and several leading Companions [May Allah be pleased with all of them] of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH].
Those Hollywood actors who are known Womanizers and Drunkard played role of Companions [May Allah be pleased with them] in that Movie. [May Allah forgive me for even repeating this]
Now tell me why no Mullah particularly the Political Maulvis lodged any protest against the GEO TV on its Blasphemy for which Mullahs raising hue and cry.
Best Regards
i am unable to understand the coherence between two incidents.
a will of CJ for providing the better life for sexually disabled persons
and
forbidding a mukhannas by Nabi e Kareem(saw)in the house to avoid fitna…
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the judiciary is doing what is "EXPECTED" from it although not quite satisfactory but they are doing one way or other.
ABBOTTABAD: The district and sessions judge on Friday ordered authorities to declare former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf a proclaimed offender and attach his properties in a case of alleged abduction of a scientist of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission who ‘disappeared’ over five years ago.
http://www.dawnnews.tv/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-conte…
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islam is the name of using force and struggle against the self and against the taghoot(diabolic)
i also couldn't understand what should we do with the injuctions of Quran e Kareem and sahih ahdith clearly ordering and explaing and emphacizing the rule of shariya and punishment of violator.
and more importantly what should we do with this fatwa?
http://www.ahlehadith.com/mazameendetailcfc0.php?…
regarding CJ ruling of nifaz e shariya, better ask Ahl e hadith alim e deen.i think Alim e deen is in better position answering that issue…..am i right?
ABBOTTABAD: The district and sessions judge on Friday ordered authorities to declare former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf a proclaimed offender [Dr Jawwad Jhan]
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Dear Dr Sahab,
Just define this picture:
Alleged Trial of General Pervez Musharraf!
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/07/alleged-…
And read the text of Mr Awab's elder brother:
Dorab Patel on Judicial Aloofness by Dr Arif Alvi
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/06/dorab-pa…
Only genuine man in that whole movement was Justice Retd. Tariq Mehmood.
ABBOTTABAD: The district and sessions judge on Friday ordered authorities to declare former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf a proclaimed offender [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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This too.
All but forgotten? Wednesday, 07 Oct, 2009 | 01:35 AM PST
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
THE cases of the missing persons that Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry had been pursuing with vigour before he was unseated in March 2007 have now been virtually erased from public memory. The trauma of the families of those who have ‘disappeared’ no longer receives the media publicity it once did or the attention of the courts. The HRCP claims that the matter still tops its agenda. True, a lot was achieved from 2005 to (February) 2007 when of the 400 missing persons listed by the HRCP 240 had been traced. Now the list is said to contain 198 names of which 99 have been located. But even a single missing person who cannot be produced by the authorities under the law should be enough to make activists worry. It is not a case of violation of human rights alone. There is also the agony of the missing person’s family that is distressing.
Where is the CJ?????
میرا بھائی کہاں ہے؟
Wednesday, 7 October, 2009, 09:45 GMT 14:45 PST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/10/091007…
islam is the name of using force [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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I would request you to consult Tafsir Ibn Kathir [on your scribd profile] for the detailed background.
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false dieties and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold, which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower {The Cow – II (Soora All-Baqara) Verse 256}
COMMENTARY BY HAFIZ IBN KATHIR:Quran and Tafaseer.
تفسير ابن كثير < القرآن <
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp…
“QUOTE FROM TAFSIR IBN-E-KATHIR”
No Compulsion in Religion:
Allah said,
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ
(There is no compulsion in religion), meaning, “Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.”
It was reported that the Ansar were the reason behind revealing this Ayah, although its indication is general in meaning. Ibn Jarir recorded that Ibn `Abbas said ﴿that before Islam﴾, “When (an Ansar) woman would not bear children who would live, she would vow that if she gives birth to a child who remains alive, she would raise him as a Jew. When Banu An-Nadir (the Jewish tribe) were evacuated from Al-Madinah﴾, some of the children of the Ansar were being raised among them, and the Ansar said, `We will not abandon our children.’ Allah revealed,
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ
(There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path.)”
Abu Dawud and An-Nasa’i also recorded this Hadith. As for the Hadith that Imam Ahmad recorded, in which Anas said that the Messenger of Allah said to a man,
«أَسْلِم»
قَالَ: إِنِّي أَجِدُنِي كَارِهًا قَالَ:
«وَإِنْ كُنْتَ كَارِهًا»
(“Embrace Islam.” The man said, “I dislike it.” The Prophet said, “Even if you dislike it.”)
First, this is an authentic Hadith, with only three narrators between Imam Ahmad and the Prophet . However, it is not relevant to the subject under discussion, for the Prophet did not force that man to become Muslim. The Prophet merely invited this man to become Muslim, and he replied that he does not find himself eager to become Muslim. The Prophet said to the man that even though he dislikes embracing Islam, he should still embrace it, `for Allah will grant you sincerity and true intent.’
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islam is the name of using force [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Complete Arabic Translation of the Above Text from Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَدْ تَبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَى لَا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp…
يقول تعالى " لا إكراه في الدين " أي لا تكرهوا أحدا على الدخول في دين الإسلام فإنه بين واضح جلي دلائله وبراهينه لا يحتاج إلى أن يكره أحد على الدخول فيه بل من هداه الله للإسلام وشرح صدره ونور بصيرته دخل فيه على بينة ومن أعمى الله قلبه وختم على سمعه وبصره فإنه لا يفيده الدخول في الدين مكرها مقسورا وقد ذكروا أن سبب نزول هذه الآية في قوم من الأنصار وإن كان حكمها عاما وقال ابن جرير : حدثنا ابن يسار حدثنا ابن أبي عدي عن شعبة عن أبي بشر عن سعيد بن جبير عن ابن عباس قال : كانت المرأة تكون مقلاة فتجعل على نفسها إن عاش لها ولد أن تهوده فلما أجليت بنو النضير كان فيهم من أبناء الأنصار فقالوا : لا ندع أبناءنا فأنزل الله عز وجل " لا إكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي " وقد رواه أبو داود والنسائي جميعا عن بندار به ومن وجوه أخر عن شعبة به نحوه وقد رواه ابن أبي حاتم وابن حبان في صحيحه من حديث شعبة به وهكذا ذكر مجاهد وسعيد بن جبير والشعبي والحسن البصري وغيرهم أنها نزلت في ذلك وقال محمد بن إسحاق عن محمد بن أبي محمد الجرشي عن زيد بن ثابت عن عكرمة أو عن سعيد عن ابن عباس قوله " لا إكراه في الدين" قال : نزلت في رجل من الأنصار من بني سالم بن عوف يقال له الحصيني كان له ابنان نصرانيان وكان هو رجلا مسلما فقال للنبي – صلى الله عليه وسلم – ألا أستكرههما فإنهما قد أبيا إلا النصرانية فأنزل الله فيه ذلك رواه ابن جرير وروى السدي نحو ذلك وزاد وكانا قد تنصرا على أيدي تجار قدموا من الشام يحملون زبيبا فلما عزما على الذهاب معهم أراد أبوهما أن يستكرههما وطلب من رسول الله – صلى الله عليه وسلم – أن يبعث في آثارهما فنزلت هذه الآية وقال ابن أبي حاتم : حدثنا أبي حدثنا عمرو بن عوف أخبرنا شريك عن أبي هلال عن أسبق قال : كنت في دينهم مملوكا نصرانيا لعمر بن الخطاب فكان يعرض علي الإسلام فآبى فيقول " لا إكراه في الدين " ويقول يا أسبق لو أسلمت لاستعنا بك على بعض أمور المسلمين وقد ذهب طائفة كثيرة من العلماء أن هذه محمولة على أهل الكتاب ومن دخل في دينهم قبل النسخ والتبديل إذا بذلوا الجزية وقال آخرون : بل هي منسوخة بآية القتال وأنه يجب أن يدعى جميع الأمم إلى الدخول في الدين الحنيف دين الإسلام
I would request you to consult Tafsir Ibn Kathir [on your scribd profile] for the detailed background.
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
There is no compulsion in religion.
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As per your request i consulted the tafsir again.
now i suggest you to have a look at it again.
islam is a very demanding religion.it gives a choice to embarce it or deny it.No one can force you….
but….
once embraced it demands for complete submission.in return it promises a much more better rewards in hereafter.
its not a picnic party or get together.
it will snatch your free will from you.
As per your request i consulted the tafsir again. now i suggest you to have a look at it again. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab
I am reading it in above text.
No one can force you…. but…. once embraced it demands for complete submission.in return it promises a much more better rewards in hereafter. its not a picnic party or get together. it will snatch your free will from you. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
Prove this "Snatch free will" with the reference of Quran and Hadith. Who will snatch this "Free Will"? Who is authorized to snatch this "Free Will" and who is not authorized to "snatch this free will"?
islam is the name of using force its not a picnic party or get together. it will snatch your free will from you. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
If Islam is the name of "Using Force" then please define these Quranic Verses and Hadiths:
يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth.
[AN-NISA (WOMEN)Chapter4 – Verse 171]
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ غَيْرَ الْحَقِّ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ أَهْوَاء قَوْمٍ قَدْ ضَلُّواْ مِن قَبْلُ وَأَضَلُّواْ كَثِيرًا وَضَلُّواْ عَن سَوَاء السَّبِيلِ
Say: O People of the Scripture! Stress not in your religion other than the truth, and follow not the vain desires of folk who erred of old and led many astray, and erred from a plain road. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 4 Verse 77]
Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, "I warn you of extremism in the Religion for indeed those that came before you were destroyed due to their extremism in the religion." [Sunnan Nasa'i, Sunnan Ibn Maajah, Musnad Ahmad]
Prove this “Snatch free will” with the reference of Quran and Hadith. Who will snatch this “Free Will”? Who is authorized to snatch this “Free Will” and who is not authorized to “snatch this free will”?
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its a daily practice of many muslims.
it is very hard for me to get up for fajr prayer. but i have to…because i have no other choice.
similarly i love money but i have to deduct money as zakat for the charity also i am forbidden not to take intrest.
where is my free will???
like many ordinary muslims i do many things in the state of fear…fear of consequences in the life hereafter.
unlike secular westners or "moderate muslims"…who themselves are god in their private lives.their free will is not some thing which can be compromised. it defines them.it builds their mentality,psyche,life style and their character.
therefore they are irritated by the idea of state of some people forcing them not to violate the shariya.
islam is the other name of submission,surrender and full obedience.
unlike secular westners or “moderate muslims”…who themselves are god in their private lives.their free will is not some thing which can be compromised. it defines them.it builds their mentality,psyche,life style and their character. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
What they do in their bathroom is nobody's business. read:
Quran says..
وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى وَإِن تَدْعُ مُثْقَلَةٌ إِلَى حِمْلِهَا لَا يُحْمَلْ مِنْهُ شَيْءٌ وَلَوْ كَانَ ذَا قُرْبَى
Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another’s burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. [FATIR (THE ANGELS, ORIGNATOR) Chapter 35 – Verse 18]
أَلَّا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى
وَأَن لَّيْسَ لِلْإِنسَانِ إِلَّا مَا سَعَى
That no laden one shall bear another’s load, And that man hath only that for which he maketh effort, [AN-NAJM (THE STAR) Chapter 53 – Verse 38 and 39]