Guest blog by Naeem Sadiq
Aamer Liaquat Hussain, an ex-MNA and a fake degree holder during his ‘Aalim on line’ show [customarily referred to as Jahil Online on this blog] on Geo TV (January 29, 2010) explained the reason for the poor performance of Pakistan’s cricket team. [Particularly Watch the section between times 3:30-4:15]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddYi9ckUSm8He said that the Pakistan team had started to perform poorly since its players were now wearing cricket shoes with green coloured soles. Green is the colour of Pakistan and of Islam and its being forcibly rubbed on the ground is a derogatory act. Hence the divine retribution.
It is difficult to believe that some one who professes to be a modern religious scholar, in this time and age would be allowed to deliver such superstitious sermons on a leading TV channel [he was also attributed to spreading hatred against Ahmedis a year or so back]. What makes Geo TV to have “aalims” of questionable credentials further distract and confuse an already uneducated nation with yet more ignorance. Should the TV channels not be concerned that such incorrect, misleading and damaging information is not propagated by them.
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79 responses to “Jahil Online Spreading Superstitions”
Alvi Sahab,
Correct to the hilt. Even the Green Colour on Prophet Mohammad [Peace be Upon him]'s grave was painted 400 years after the death of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. Even the Tomb wasn't there. Green Colour has nothing to do with Islami Shariah nor does any other colour and even if we assume that Colour has any significance in Islam then as per History [Tabari-Ibn Khaldun-Tabaqat-Kamil Al Aseer] at the conquest of Makkah, Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]'s Army Flag was of Black Colour. Shias used to have Green Colour Flag and even White Flags [Reference same], . Black Colour was also used by Caliphs of Banu Abbas.
Significance of Green Colour as per Hadith in Saheeh Muslim.
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Sahih Muslim
The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah)
Chapter 23: THE REMAINING AHADITH PERTAINING TO THE DAJJAL
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagemen…
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls.
Green Colour Persian Shawls [الطيالسة]
المملكة العربية السعودية
وزارة الشؤون الإسلامية والأوقاف والدعوة والإرشاد
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Do…
في بقية من أحاديث الدجال الفتن وأشراط الساعة صحيح مسلم
حدثنا منصور بن أبي مزاحم حدثنا يحيى بن حمزة عن الأوزاعي عن إسحق بن عبد الله عن عمه أنس بن مالك
أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال يتبع الدجال من يهود أصبهان سبعون ألفا عليهم الطيالسة
قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم : ( يتبع الدجال من يهود أصبهان سبعون ألفا )
هكذا هو في جميع النسخ ببلادنا : ( سبعون ) بسين ثم باء موحدة , وكذا نقله القاضي عن رواية الأكثرين . قال : وفي رواية ابن ماهان ( تسعون ألفا ) بالتاء المثناة قبل السين , والصحيح المشهور الأول , وأصبهان بفتح الهمزة وكسرها وبالباء والفاء
Shocking TV interview haunts Dr Aamir Liaquat’s career Daily Times Monitor Daily Times – Site Edition Thursday, May 26, 2005 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=20055…
I have more problems with this speech, not just superstition. He calls all the people 'martyrs'; he says, 'shahadat kay rutpay par faiz hoay'. This psyche is totally wrong; such speech and with the usage of such words one feels a bit content in the end. Like it's okay, they were lucky 'matti pao'. For God's sake, all those innocents were killed and we need to find the culprits.
Yasir Sahab is also correct. As per Islamic Shariah we can only pray that May Allah give anybody him/her the status of Martyr and that's it. Who is a Martyr and who is not is For Allah to decide and opening mouth on this is tantamount to crossing boundaries of Allah. Martyrdom [as prescribed in Quran and Hadith] is ultimate success and it is also a matter of Intentions [Niyat] and Intentions [Niyat] is only known to Allah or the ourselves therefore the final decision would be of Allah not of Political Slogan Mongering for the title of Martyr/Shaheed because only Allah knows about the "Piety" and Intentions.
Qadiyanis have a right to live…but people of pakistan have right not to let the Qadiyanis to become zionist of pakistan.
Yes of course but that too through Law not through the sermon of Aamir Liaquat Hussain. You must have remembered that Aamir Liaquat was the most favourite TV Anchor of General Musharraf [Musharraf used to cry listening his sermon], where were those tears when he was handing over Pakistanis to the USA and that included Dr Aafia Siddqui too.
Guilty by Suspicion is against the Spirit of Islamic Law because when you raise finger [alleging that somebody is Zionist Agent] then it's the responsibility of those who allege to produce witness. Benefit of doubt is always given to those who is under trial.
الْبَيِّنَةُ عَلَى الْمُدَّعِى وَالْيَمِينُ عَلَى الْمُدَّعَى عَلَيْهِ
The burden of proof is upon the plaintiff, and the oath is upon the one who is accused (Tirmidhi)
Therefore the ruler is forbidden from imposing a penalty on anyone, unless they perpetrate a crime which Shari’ah considers to be a crime, and the perpetration of the crime has been proven before a competent judge in a judiciary court, because the evidence could not be admissible unless it is established before a competent judge and in a judiciary court.
Rightly said, JAHIL ONLINE, he is.
Well these days sweet tongue sells better than any thing….
He has "monh Kee bawaseeer" and has followers just like Altaf Hussain, Zaid Hamid Kezzab and Tahir-ul-Padree, and other shia orators…
The reality does not matter. People would buy snake oil if it's packaged right.
@ aMIR mUGHAL
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Correct to the hilt. Even the Green Colour on Prophet Mohammad [Peace be Upon him]’s grave was painted 400 years after the death of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. Even the Tomb wasn’t there. Green Colour has nothing to do with Islami Shariah nor does any other colour and even if we assume that Colour has any significance in Islam then as per History [Tabari-Ibn Khaldun-Tabaqat-Kamil Al Aseer] at the conquest of Makkah, Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]’s Army Flag was of Black Colour. Shias used to have Green Colour Flag and even White Flags [Reference same], . Black Colour was also used by Caliphs of Banu Abbas.
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I agree with you but you all should know that Amir Liaqaut belong to Barelvi school of thought who differe with us on this.
Who is us?
Talkhaba: Wrong!
Aamir liaquat used to be a Shia(or still he is!). His brother calls himself as Ayatullah. Aamir came intto contervsary when ,like Shias he cursed Ayesha(RA) and other Shabis.
Aamir Liaquat is a Sunni and his brother Imran Liaquat was Shia but he was deported from Iran due to some differences with the Iranian Clergy.
Us means the people who dont agree with his point of view
@Adnan Siddiqi ,
I still remember the program in which AL had criticized Shia acts of Azadari and throwing of Taziay in water which in his opinion result in water pollution.
Poor Performance in Cricket is because of Lack of Practice and too much show off of "Tableeghi Jamat" Propaganda.
@AM
Your claim is just as ridiculous as doctor fakes claim about the green color.
@ Naeem Sadiq!
don't you feel that you are over reacting? no doubt it is a superstition but there are many issues of greater importance.
Amir Liaquat Hussain Cursing Sahaba Radhi Allah Anhu
http://forum.kalpoint.com/islamic-forums/68545-am…
Aamir Liaquat Hussain cursing sahaba
In the link of kalpoint in the post below:
GEO TV's Paedophile/Child Molester Correspondent in USA – 2
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/03/geo-tvs-…
As a Pakistani Citizen "Ahmedi Community" has every right to live their life and nobody should be given any right to administer punishment on flimsy charges of Blasphemy without any proof. Right to punish anyone is of State not of GEO TV and if we carefully go through the Transmission of GEO TV then it is the GEO TV who violate Islamic Law of Blasphemy and very openly.
GEO TV violates Blasphemy Law of Islam.
بے خبری میں آپ کیسے “جی“ رہے ہیں ۔۔ کیا دیکھہ رہے ہیں ۔۔ کس سے لطف اندوز ہو رہے ہیں ۔۔۔ ذرا سوچئیے ؟؟
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/11/geo-tv-v…
Pakistani Society Consist upon a patchwork of different Muslim Sects therefore any kind of Religious Program from any TV Channel should be stopped because most of the time people [from different Sects] raise hue and cry whenever their point of view is not relayed. Aamir Liaquat's program added more problems in Society instead of solving. Religious is a private and personal matter and should not be preached through TV Channels like Evangelists particularly in Sectarian Charged Society like Pakistan.
Private and personal matter??
well said…
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
You object when I say that Religion/Beliefs are personal matter whereas in the light of your own comment where you have said the same thing like I have said above that "Religion/Beliefs are private and personal matters"
your quote
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dr.jawwadkhan says: April 4, 2009 at 6:37 pm – it is not mine or any others job to decide about the others religion.
Quaid e azam was the greatest leader of the 20th century and right fully owned and proved his title. his religion in not my business.
dr.jawwadkhan says: April 4, 2009 at 12:32 pm so called scholar,secularist,civil society,munafiq,shia,socialist.
all have one thing common: “disgustingness for HudooduLLah”
his religion in not my business.
From the thread: Protests in Karachi & Lahore against the Flogging incident Posted by Teeth MaestroApril 4, 2009
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Read your own observation on Religious Freedom in the following thread of the same blog.
Protests in Karachi & Lahore against the Flogging incident April 4, 2009
Aamir was of talking Crusade Speech of Bush after 911 but he forget to mention that he was State Minister for Religion under the Bush's Poodle Musharraf, who was fighting that Crusade.
By the way! When Pakistan had won World Cup, wasn't the team wearing Green Colour????
isn't that strange that on one hand you quote frequently from Quran e Kareem and Ahadith e Mubarika and on the other hand insist on the secular ideology?…"let the people do whatever please them"
The issue of allegations and suspicions related with Qadiyani is not the same as one accuses other individual of commiting adultry.
there is a reason to belive that qadianis in pakistan working on some hidden agenda silently but very effective way.Their history,origion and ties with England and Israel is no more secret. in recent years we saw many changes in pakistan and we saw how swiftly these qadianis raised to the top.There is a genuine concerns about qadiyanis because people are very sensitive about the "finality of Prophethood" issue because islam is based on it.
the problem is unwillingness of our rulers to keep this community checked and not let them grow beyond control.the last thing one can expect from our current thugs is to establish some check and balance of any kind and any where.
Qadiyanis should not be given the benefit of doubt just because you do not have some concrete evidence.
The Aaya Mubarika you quoted is not applicable here becuase it decides the judicial principal in case of problem between two individuals of muslims society….and there are reasons for not applying the rules for individuals of muslim society on non muslims especially when those non muslims have a potential and suspicious record.
@ammir is a kind of personal who's in state of denial(like his peer Zardari).
The video instances are in abundances in which Amir was cursing like a fanatic Shia and abused most of the Shabis.Go and watch it on youtube.
As far as Tabligeehi influence is concerned,it's not anymore. Everyone knows Inzy and many players in 2004-5 teams were Tableeghis and many knows that as well Pakistan secured 3rd Rank in ICC test ranking and 4rth in ODI. Pakistan also won many series in the captaincy of Inzy.
The current team is more into Hulla Gulla and Club activities than in religion. If you ever read papers you will find out what I mean.
aamir mughal,I hope you get proper Internet in your area, don't you? if yes then why to exhibit such ignorance
And Awab, did not Aamir cleared that a CALLED called him up rather than making up his own statement?
@Adnan! We have nothing else than just sympathy for this rejected and frustrated person. I don’t know about his performance as notorious agency officer; however the way he was kicked out of Express speaks volume of his retarded state of mind. Just have an analytical look at different post of this blog and you will see this lunatic man pasting the links of his blogs which a few will visit otherwise.
@Adnan! AL is neither Shiite not Sunny, instead he change his colors like a “Girgit” owning to his Jihalat and not because of opportunism. I’m regular viewer of his programs and see him as Shiite, Barelvi , Deobandi and even Wahabi, however his past association with Barelvi school of thoughts and his love for our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has made him the person who will not compromise on the rhetoric of Qadianis Malaoons. This was the only cause due to which he left his gang. I personally suggest that he should not be listened but if the notorious and unwanted persons like Amir Mughal use the post against him as an opportunity to voice in favor to the Qadianis conspirator and terrorist, he will be see us as hurdle in his way.
As a matter of fact no one is against the Ahmedis who live as non-Muslim minority citizens of Pakistan but the one who declare themselves as Muslim are punishable under the Islamic Shariah and so the Law of Islamic republic of Pakistan. Let The beak face like Amir Mughal cry, let these criminal and Anti Islam person like Amir Mughal spend their time on misguiding masses of Pakistan, I assure these Beeman and so-called Muslim will not succeed
Adnan Siddiqi says: January 30, 2010 at 1:14 pm @ammir is a kind of personal who’s in state of denial(like his peer Zardari). aamir mughal,I hope you get proper Internet in your area, don’t you? if yes then why to exhibit such ignorance
And Awab, did not Aamir cleared that a CALLED called him up rather than making up his own statement? [Adnan]
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Dear Adnan Sahab,
Where did i deny that Aamir Liaquat didn't use bad language against the Companion [May Allah be pleased with them]. I just said that ALH is a Sunni and his brother Imran Liaquat is Shia. By the way many Sunnis are indulged in Tabbaraah practices and they are not called Shia but Tafzeelis.
Talkhaba says:January 30, 2010 at 1:46 pm @Adnan! We have nothing else than just sympathy for this rejected and frustrated person. I don’t know about his performance as notorious agency officer; however the way he was kicked out of Express speaks volume of his retarded state of mind. Just have an analytical look at different post of this blog and you will see this lunatic man pasting the links of his blogs which a few will visit otherwise. – Let The beak face like Amir Mughal cry, let these criminal and Anti Islam person like Amir Mughal spend their time on misguiding masses of Pakistan, I assure these Beeman and so-called Muslim will not succeed.
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Dear Talkhaba,
Prove that my blog and me are Anti Islamic because in your first statement you were in agreement with me read..
Talkhaba says: January 30, 2010 at 10:12 am @ aMIR mUGHAL
I agree with you but you all should know that Amir Liaqaut belong to Barelvi school of thought who differe with us on this.
He is playing his role in Pakistan 's religious politics.
It is not matter what he is assuming about defeat of cricket team other than their performance as I had seen many superstitious acts even in educated and groomed class but biggest tragedy is that huge masses have become traumatized by his fake rhetoric styles and glamorous get up(for some one).
Conceptually shaky people always look shelter under such personalities.
So as he is going further in religious fanaticism, knowledge of religion is separating from his words and enticing attiude is becoming more dominant in his speeches.
Is walking on grass haraam?
🙂 well said
The Aaya Mubarika you quoted is not applicable here becuase it decides the judicial principal in case of problem between two individuals of muslims society… [jawwad khan says: January 30, 2010 at 1:51 pm]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I haven't quoted the Quranic Verse but Hadith of Tirmidhi. Please go and read the Law of Witness in Islam.
thanks for correcting my mistake….it was a hadith…
and please tell us the laws of of witness in islam and its application on qadianis..
Ask Mr Talkhaba after reading his Latest Fatwa
Talkhaba says:January 30, 2010 at 1:46 pm @Adnan! We have nothing else than just sympathy for this rejected and frustrated person. let these criminal and Anti Islam person like Amir Mughal spend their time on misguiding masses of Pakistan, I assure these Beeman and so-called Muslim will not succeed.
isn’t that strange that on one hand you quote frequently from Quran e Kareem and Ahadith e Mubarika and on the other hand insist on the secular ideology?…”let the people do whatever please them” [dr jawwad khan says: January 30, 2010 at 1:51 pm]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
My plea was this:
Aamir Mughal says: January 30, 2010 at 11:34 am Pakistani Society Consist upon a patchwork of different Muslim Sects therefore any kind of Religious Program from any TV Channel should be stopped because most of the time people [from different Sects] raise hue and cry whenever their point of view is not relayed. Aamir Liaquat’s program added more problems in Society instead of solving. Religion is a private and personal matter and should not be preached through TV Channels like Evangelists particularly in Sectarian Charged Society like Pakistan.
isn’t that strange that on one hand you quote frequently from Quran e Kareem and Ahadith e Mubarika and on the other hand insist on the secular ideology?…”let the people do whatever please them” [dr jawwad khan says: January 30, 2010 at 1:51 pm]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Deobandis and Ahle-Hadith don't celebrate Eid Milad like Barelvi [Sunnis] and Deobandis and Ahle-Hadith don't observe Muharram like Shias. Mind you one more thing overwhelming majority of Pakistanis regularly celebrate Urs of Saints scattered all around Pakistan and Deobandis and Ahle-Hadith don't do that either. Deobandis and Ahle-Hadith also write books against each other [Read Irshadul Haq Asari, Mawlana Zahid Kausrai and Mawlana Safdar Sarfaraz Aukarwi against each other]. In this situation when these Mullahs have no consensus people better should consider religious belief a private matter.
Talkhaba says:January 30, 2010 at 1:46 pm @Adnan! We have nothing else than just sympathy for this rejected and frustrated person. let these criminal and Anti Islam person like Amir Mughal spend their time on misguiding masses of Pakistan, I assure these Beeman and so-called Muslim will not succeed.
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Dear Talkhaba,
If the above statement of yours is a "Fatwa" of apostasy {Takfeer} against a Kalima Reciting Muslim, then for your kind perusal,
Whoever offers prayers as we do and turns his face to our Qiblah and eats the animal slaughtered by us, he is a Muslim for whom is the covenant of Allah and the covenant of the Messenger of Allah; so do not violate Allah's covenant." [Sahih Bukhari]
“Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.''(Sunnan Abu Dawood)
“Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''(Bukhari)
“Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' — do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Abdullah Ibn Omar)
If the above Hadiths do not satisfy then read this!
Usaamah bin Zaid reported,
“Allaah’s Messenger sent us towards Al-Huruqa, and in the morning we attacked them and defeated them. I and an Ansari man followed a man from among them and when we overwhelmed him, he said, “La ilaha illal-Lah.” On hearing that, the Ansari man stopped, but I killed him by stabbing him with my spear. When we returned, the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) came to know about that and he said:
"O Usaamah! Did you kill him after he had said “La ilaha ilal-Lah?” I said, “But he said so only to save himself.” He kept on repeating that so often that I wished I had not embraced Islaam before that day. [Agreed upon, and this is the wording of Bukhari]
and in another version in Sahih Muslim about the same incident:
“Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?'' [Muslim]
Action speaks louder than words….
you take the words from Quran and Hadith and use for your face saving….
what is the problem in becoming a straight forward secular?
many people do not believe in Islam but they do not use Quran and Ahadith for deception.
Religion is a private and personal matter and should not be preached through TV Channels like Evangelists particularly in Sectarian Charged Society like Pakistan.
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its really amazing for me to see the level of religious knowledge and faith on secular ideology at the same time.its just amazing and honestly disoppointing.
why religion is a private and personal matter.
Human is created by Allah(swt).
He gave him the choice,free will and independent mind.
He sent prophet after prophet to show the guidance.
1 lack and 24 thousand prophets for what?
He created human being and for human being He created so many things…for what?
heaven and hell for what?
to make His divine rules as a personal matter!!!
No dear He(swt) wants complete submission,Unconditional obedience at all level.
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Because of some disputed issues you want a ban on all religious programmes?
Do you really believe that islam is a divine guidance from Almighty Allah(swt)? if you do belive then why there is pick and choose? why not accepting the islam as a complete code of life?
dr jawwad khan says: January 30, 2010 at 5:12 pm its really amazing for me to see the level of religious knowledge and faith on secular ideology at the same time. its just amazing and honestly disoppointing. Because of some disputed issues you want a ban on all religious programmes?
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
These "some disputed issues" caused havoc amongst Mulsims [life loss – life of Muslim is sacred then Kabaa]
لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم
"Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim." [Tirmidhi and others]
Reference:
وعن عبد الله بن عمر رضي الله عنه قال رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يطوف بالكعبة ويقول: (ما أطيبك وأطيب ريحك ما أعظمك وأعظم حرمتك والذي نفس محمد بيده لحرمة المؤمن أعظم عند الله حرمة منك ماله ودمه وأن نظن به إلا خيراً) رواه ابن ماجة وصححه العلامة الألباني في صحيح الترغيب 2/630.
ونظر ابن عمر رضي الله عنه يوماً إلى البيت أو إلى الكعبة فقال ما أعظمك وأعظم حرمتك والمؤمن أعظم حرمة عند الله منك) رواه الترمذي.
وأما الحديث الذي أشار إليه السائل وهو (لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم).
فقد ذكره الشيخ العجلوني في كشف الخفاء وقال [قال في المقاصد – أي السخاوي – لم أقف عليه بهذا اللفظ، ولكن معناه عند الطبراني في الصغير عن أنس رفعه (من آذى مسلماً بغير حق فكأنما هدم بيت الله)ونحوه عن غير واحد من الصحابة أنه صلى الله عليه وسلم نظر إلى الكعبة فقال لقد شرفك الله وكرمك وعظمك والمؤمن أعظم حرمة منك ] كشف الخفاء ومزيل الإلباس حديث رقم 2086.
dr jawwad khan says: January 30, 2010 at 5:12 pm Do you really believe that islam is a divine guidance from Almighty Allah(swt)? if you do belive then why there is pick and choose? why not accepting the islam as a complete code of life?
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I don't have to prove my Islam to anyone. What I believe is clearly written above in my every comment.
dr jawwad khan says: January 30, 2010 at 5:20 pm Action speaks louder than words…. you take the words from Quran and Hadith and use for your face saving…. what is the problem in becoming a straight forward secular? many people do not believe in Islam but they do not use Quran and Ahadith for deception.
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Let Allah be the judge on somebody's faith.
Let's ask Allah(swt) for guaidance and forgiveness.
Amir Mughal is another Amir Liquat.
Both have L-U-C-E-E as last name and Amir as first name.
Both are big mouths with empty upper-chamber.
They bhashan big things but do not reflect on the same.
After reading all this I am still unable to judge who is top most "Jahil online".
AL is not a jahil he is an educated shrewd opportunists who wants to cash power politics through his God gifted skills and available opportunities in surrounding.
he is again proving that Pakistan as per history is usually damaged by her educated and privileged class.
here jahil class has no capacity to interfere in state matters and all time vulnerable to ill will planning of literates of Pakistan.
Dear Ms. Nazia,
I am amazed at those who enjoy his company. For record one of his "Tabbarrah" party [link is above] Director of Iqbal Academy [also appear in Hamza's show of GEO TV] also enjoying the Tabbarrah being hurled by Mr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain.
@Nazia
"AL is not a jahil he is an educated shrewd opportunists who wants to cash power politics through his God gifted skills and available opportunities in surrounding."
He can be a jahil in spite of having all the skills you have referred to. Being a jahil is not the same as being illiterate.
Talkhaba says: January 30, 2010 at 1:46 pm @Adnan! We have nothing else than just sympathy for this rejected and frustrated person. I don’t know about his performance as notorious agency officer; however the way he was kicked out of Express speaks volume of his retarded state of mind.
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Dear Sir,
Wrong Again,
I was not kicked out but I resigned.
Hiring Firing sacking and kicking out, Background is as under: Unethical Behavior of Express News TV Pakistan.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/09/unethica…
Mughal
As I told earlier that he has full control on his words and subjects.Our weak people are always in need of religious shelter to prove their sanctity and religious awareness in this way.
I many times attended the daras lectures of ladies calling them latest Muslim scholars of state or city.
They gathered low caliber,less knowledgeable and sometimes extremely corrupt group around themselves and try to impress them through theoretical knowledge of religion which they gained by reading few books but what I observed common in most of them is lack of practicality in their words and acts in normal life.
As like in ladies circle these women got infuriated when I asked them that being a Muslim devotee woman would she allowed her husband to marry to a widow or needy lady of our society.
Or sometime they got annoyed when I asked them that if their husband or son bring an illegitimate child to home , how they treated this child which belong to them.(Actually it was happened real and I had come to know that they had killed this child by throwing in garbage).
In short now no one is interested in inviting me in such daras like latest parties where even getup of servants of house is telling us double and triple standard of such religious associats.
I hope you know Gen shoib amjad an ex MI chief very well.
Whole city knows about his corruption details.
Here her wife is very popular for setting such religious gatherings.Sh might be doing in her guilt or for covering up her husband big criminal records in her active social circle.
So through my little examples, you can judge why we people need thick cover of religious guilt around us.
Dear Ms. Nazia,
I totally agree with you. I have seen such "Dars" organized by "Ladies Scholar" and you just observe as to how poorly and badly they treat their own servants. First responsibility of any married women [if she talks of Islam then she cannot observe Optional Fasting/Optional Prayers Nafil is her husband stops her to do so] is to serve her husband, give proper training to the children and society comes much later.
Observer
as per our history these people are trained and protected by specific groups for driving masses in our society.
So he first raised from a typical political group where he couldnt get satisfied projection as Altaf bhai never allowed any body to speak more than him in this game of politics.So in speech therapy process of Karachi people AL took another forum on the basis of religion different than altaf hussain.
Is walking on grass haraam?
the simple meaning of Haram is “forbidden” therefore if you throwup on grass or pee then it’s “haram” to go that place. *grin*
AMir mughal: AL is not a sunni. don’t hide yourself behind a thin layer. I disagree wth Barelvis but I did not find any barelvi either to curse Shabis. these are only shia lunatics who does such thing.
Siddiqui Sahab,
Where did I say that Barelvis Curse the Companions? Produce my statement.
@Observer!
i partially agree with you when you say that:
“AL is not a jahil he is an educated shrewd opportunists who wants to cash power politics through his God gifted skills and available opportunities in surrounding.”
he is basically an anchor person of a tv show and honestly the most power religious tv show.He gethered so many viewers because of his talking power,his selection of the words,his commond, his gestures,his delivery is really very good.he is one of the most successful tv anchor person.one should not forget that he is basically a tv show host and he adopts every possible strategy to increase his viewership.
i believe the criticism is just to sharp….isn't we all doing the same …bolstring the religion for our own wrong doings.
but there is a good aspects of his life which came in recent years.
despite of party sympathies and care for Qadiyanis, he took a stand against qadiyanis he was expelled from the party and resigned from his ministry because of it.Going against the party line,he took anti american stance in his tv shows and columns.Which most of our "mohideen" are unable to do so.i think the credit should be given to him.
Atleast he tried to prove his "Ishq e Rasool(saw)" He is not hypocrite like many of our "mohideen" who on the one hand talk to much against "Tabbara" and on the other hand they feel no hasitation in offering their support and services to the shia,qadiyani,liberal athiests and all kinds of perverts.
Resigned from Ministry was because of this: – Shocking TV interview haunts Dr Aamir Liaquat’s career Daily Times Monitor Daily Times – Site Edition Thursday, May 26, 2005 http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=20055…
Amir Liaqat brother is Qadiyani. They call Hazrat Ali(AS) Allah, They are not sacred and Kafir. They involved themselves with Shia but they r not shia. Imran Liaqat is fake Ayatolla of U.S to create differences in between Shia community…
Dear Abbas Sahab,
The Group which equate Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] with Allah is called "Nuzairi" not Quadiyiani.
dr jawwad khan says: January 31, 2010 at 10:05 pm – Excuse me!!! One was Quiad e azam the other was agha khan the third and ….who else? Hence it proves that :
On serious note: Quiad e azam never participated in any shia religious gathering ,procession or majlis…he never expressed any thing which indicates his religious(shia) tendencies. He was known and recognized as a muslim nationalist leader.
in last days of his life he was seen offering prayers and reading Quran (Arabic text with roman Arabic). The undeniable fact that his funeral prayers was offered by a well known and respected sunni scholar. He was buried in a sunni way. While on the other hand poor assassinated “peeplaee” leadership had to suffered by the “GAZ” even after their deaths.
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Others were Mirza Abul Hasan Isphahani, Raja Sahab Mehmoodabad and by the way Aga Khan was Ismaili.
You are partially wrong about Jinnah Funeral Prayers. Go and check the Sindh High Court Record and if you can access then also check Bombay High Cort Record. Reality is as under:
On 24 September 1948, after the demise of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, his sister Fatimah Jinnah and the then Prime Minister of Pakistan, Liaquat Ali Khan, submitted a jointly signed petition at the Karachi High Court, describing Jinnah as ‘Shia Khoja Mohamedan’ and praying that his will may be disposed of under Shia inheritance law. On 6 February, 1968 after Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah’’ demise the previous year, her sister Shirin Bai, moved an application at the High Court claiming Fatimah Jinnah’s property under the Shia inheritance law on grounds that the deceased was a Shia. As per Mr. I. H. Ispahani who was a family friend of Jinnah, revealed that Jinnah had himself told him in 1936 that he and his family had converted to Shiism after his return from England in 1894. He said that Jinnah had married Ruttie Bai according to the Shia ritual during which she was represented by a Shia scholar of Bombay, and Jinnah was represented by his Shia friend, Raja Sahib of Mehmoodabad. He however conceded that Jinnah was opposed in Bombay elections by a Shia Conference canditate. Ispahani was present when Miss Fatima Jinnah died in 1967. He himself arranged the Ghusl and Janaza {Funeral Bath and Funeral} for her at Mohatta Palace according to the Shia Ritual before handing over the body to the state. Her Sunni Namaz-e-Janaza was held later at Polo Ground, Karachi after which she was buried next to her brother at a spot chosen by Ispahani inside the mausoleum. Ritualistic Shia talqin (last advice to the deceased) was done after her dead body was lowered into the grave. (Jinnah had arranged for talqin for Ruttie Bai too when she died in 1929). Allama Syed Anisul Husnain, a Shia scholar, deposed that he had arranged the gusl of the Quaid on the instructions of Miss Fatimah Jinah. He led his Namaz-e-Janaza in a room of the Governor General’s House at which such luminaries as Yousuf Haroon, Hashim Raza, and Aftab Hatim Alvi were present, while Liaquat Ali Khan waited outside the room. After the Shia ritual, the body was handed over to the state and Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, an alim belonging to Deoband school of thought known for its anti-Shia belief, read his Janaza according the Sunni ritual at the ground where the mausoleum was later constructed. Other witnesses confirmed that after the demise of Miss Fatimah Jinnah, alam and panja (two Shia symbols) were discovered from her residence, Mohatta Palace. Despite all this Jinnah kept himself away from Shia politics. He was not a Shia; he was also not a Sunni; he was simply a Muslim.
[PAKISTAN: Behind the Ideological Mask (Facts About Great Men We Don’t Want to Know) by Khaled Ahmed, published by VANGUARD Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad. The Murder of History: A critique of history textbooks used in Pakistan by K.K. Aziz, published by VANGUARD Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad].
Teeth Maestro, your blogs posts are always an interesting read… The comments posted later are… well… get a room people, thrash it out and come back when you can stay on track of the discussion. You owe it to the person who has posted this blog.
@Amir Mughal!!!
the zulifiqar ali bhutto,benazir bhutto, asif ali zardari and overwhelming majority of PPP belongs to shia sect…..would it be enough for you to reconsider your affiliation or support for PPP?
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Jinnah and many Founders of Pakistan were also Shias.
Prove my affiliation with PPP.
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I hope you remember your own comment you filed for the thread The Brouhaha over Blackwater continues Posted by Teeth Maestro September 27, 2009
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dr jawwad khan says: September 30, 2009 at 1:00 am @Amir mughal! for example myself.as you have noticed that i hate shias more than any one else but when i came to know the authentic hadith regarding hazrat Ammar bin yasir. i changed my way of thinking. i started to look the matter more deeper and in more details so i changed myself a liitle bit and came out from traditional sunni mindset.
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Nazia says: – January 30, 2010 at 10:09 pm After reading all this I am still unable to judge who is top most “Jahil online”. AL is not a jahil he is an educated shrewd opportunists who wants to cash power politics through his God gifted skills and available opportunities in surrounding.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
In one of the earliest show of "Alim On Line" Mr Aamir Liaquat Hussain while narrating a Fairy Tale [without any reference] had said,
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Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] asked honeybees as to how they [honeybees] sweeten the honey, the honeybees replied to the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] that "we recite Darood Sharif [Salam and Salutation] to sweeten the honey.
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Honey existed before the birth of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. Question is in the light of above narration by Aamir Liaquat as to how the honeybees sweetened the honey then????
Mughal
By the way how would you get entry in ladies Dars?
As it is restricted only to specific group where even their maids or lower class ladies are not allowed to hear their precious knowledge so how you breached this security barrier .
Any how you quoted a funny argument of AL regarding honey and honey bee performance and it is same level of Extracting and fabricating events which I had seen in our educated class of ladies too.
I still dont know that why such hypothetical or hyper logical events are created to justify true power of Islam while living in Islamic culture?
I think such illogical scenes are found or prerequisite of all religions to drive the less capable and low IQ (holding majority among logical class)toward particular religion. This might shows trends of our weak beliefs due to less knowledge of Islam in economically stable class.
Hypocrisy in religious set up is being found in all sects and classes developing around us.
When ever the personal interests of human comes relating to money, property and woman ,people of all sects show same sinful and criminal attitude so we cant blame any particular group for aggravating the whole situation.
You see in typical shia and Sunni groups it is so overhanging projections of events that sometime logical Muslim feel lot of embarrassment in multiracial gatherings.
Again I firmly stand on my point that AL is no way a jahil but he and his imagination can incite many jahils on line for adding more fuel of religious conflicts in burning Pakistan.
Some female family members who had attended the Dars told me.
Oh I thought there might be permission in interior Sindh that men can also listen and enjoy the company of these high profile lady scholars.
"Jinnah and many Founders of Pakistan were also Shias"
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Excuse me!!! One was Quiad e azam the other was agha khan the third and ….who else?
Hence it proves that :
-* Asif zardari is equivalent of Quaid e Azam….right?
-* saying bad thing against shia beliefs and following shia leaders are two different thing…right? The shariya says nothing against following a shia leader….proof? there is no single ayat and hadith prohibits following a shia leader…isn’t that great?
On serious note: Quiad e azam never participated in any shia religious gathering ,procession or majlis…he never expressed any thing which indicates his religious(shia) tendencies. He was known and recognized as a muslim nationalist leader.
in last days of his life he was seen offering prayers and reading Quran (Arabic text with roman Arabic). The undeniable fact that his funeral prayers was offered by a well known and respected sunni scholar.He was buried in a sunni way. While on the other hand poor assassinated “peeplaee” leadership had to suffered by the “GAZ” even after their deaths.
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“dr jawwad khan says: September 30, 2009 at 1:00 am @Amir mughal…..”
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People may think that Amir Mughal revealed some thing important…hahahhahaah lolzz
What I said that initial shian e Ali was quite different people from current days “athna ashrees”….people do have different opinion on this subject but having opposite point of view doesn’t make you a shia sympathizer.
Bottom line “Every thing is fair in love and war and do takiyan di nokri”
I think he was out of TV for quite a time…why nobody else took his place?
No one is ready to put himself into this controversy maybe.
Islam is the hardest to take side of and it is the Muslims who carry stones in their hands.
Jannat milae gi ya jahanum this will be decided afterwards but
we are KAfirs (following liberalism or Taliban extremists is decided in this world by the fellow muslims.
dr jawwad khan says: January 31, 2010 at 10:05 pm Bottom line “Every thing is fair in love and war and do takiyan di nokri”
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
If you are talking of Islam then above is not allowed.
Mugahl
You again contributed a master piece of exposure about our legendary characters.
I think Jinnah had mostly female heirs and for this purpose he took the oath of shia fo securing his property to his female descendants.
This trend is very common in Pakistan and wealthy people who have only female heirs take this option through courts without any hesitation.
As other sects are very harsh with female kins in which property and money are distributed to all nearest male family members.so all knows well that quaid through his life had no religious inclination in his routine life .
But young and depressing death of dejected Young wife and taking over of her only daughter to typical non Muslim family might disturbed his typical secular thoughts and he was forced by his friends to adopt shia practice.
impressive record keeping.thanks for updating about raja sahib mehmoodabad and abu al hassan isphahani.
ismailis are also shia…shia stopped the chain of imam while ismailis and bohras still maintained the supply line.
the words i said is specifically in the contest of the action and speeches of Quiad e Azam….should i quote those words? i wouldn't if i don't see people smearing the atmosphere in which pakistan is created and putting the question mark on the dedication of those who were the most sincere personalities in the entire hisory of pakistan. pakistan never saw the level of sincerity after them…
what are the words of Quiad e Azam.
Quaid-e-Azam said in his presidential address in 1940:
“It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders… The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, literatures. They belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspects of life and our life are different.”
In his speech at the Frontier Muslim League Conference on November 21, 1945, he said:
“We have to fight a double edged battle, one against the Hindu Congress and the British Imperialists, both of them being capitalists. The Muslims demand Pakistan where they could rule according to their own code of life and according to their own cultural growth, traditions and Islamic laws.”
In a message to NWFP Muslim Students Federation in April 1943, he said:
“You have asked me to give a message. What message can I give you? We have got the great message in the Quran for our guidance and enlightenment.”
In an Eid message to the nation in 1945, he said:
“Every Muslim knows that the injunctions of the Quran are not confined to religious and moral duties. Everyone except those who are ignorant, knows that the Quran is the general code of the Muslims. A religious, social, civil, commercial, military, judicial, criminal and penal code; it regulates everything from the ceremonies of religion to those of daily life; from the salvation of the soul to the health of the body; from the rights of all, to those of each individual; from morality to crime; from punishment here to that in the life to come, and our Prophet (S) has enjoined on us that every Muslim should possess a copy of the Holy Quran and be his own priest. Therefore, Islam is not confined to the spiritual tenets and doctrines and rituals and ceremonies. It is a complete code regulating the whole Muslim society in every department of life, collectively and individually.”
QUESTION ANSWER SESSION WITH MUSLIM STUDENTS FEDRATION
Q: What are the essential features of religion and a religious state?
A. When I hear the word “religion,” my mind thinks at once, according to the English language and British usage, of private relations between man and God. But I know full well that according to Islam, the word is not restricted to the English connotation. I am neither a Maulwi nor a Mullah, nor do I claim knowledge of theology. But I have studied in my own way the Holy Quran and Islamic tenets. This magnificent book is full of guidance respecting all human life, whether spiritual, or economic, political or social, leaving no aspect untouched.
Q. What is the distinctive feature of the Islamic state?
A. There is a special feature of the Islamic state which must not be overlooked. There, obedience is due to God and God alone, which takes practical shape in the observance of the Quranic principles and commands. In Islam, obedience is due neither to a king, nor to a parliament, nor to any other organization. It is the Quranic provisions which determine the limits of our freedom and restrictions in political and social spheres. In other words, the Islamic state is an agency for enforcement of the Quranic principles and injunctions.
There will be no economic exploitation by the capitalists in an Islamic state. In his presidential address delivered to the annual session of the All India Muslim League,
in Delhi on April 24, 1943, he said:
“Here I should like to give a warning to the landlords and capitalists who have flourished at our expense by a system which is so vicious, which is so wicked and which makes them so selfish that it is difficult to reason with them. The exploitation of the masses has gone into their blood. They have forgotten the lessons of Islam. Greed and selfishness have made these people subordinate to the interests of others in order to fatten themselves. It is true we are not in power today. You go anywhere to the countryside. I have visited villages. There are millions and millions of our people who hardly get one meal a day. Is this civilization? Is this the aim of Pakistan? Do you visualize that millions have been exploited and cannot get one meal a day? If this is the idea of Pakistan, I would not have it. If they are wise, they will have to adjust themselves to the new modern conditions of life. If they don’t, God help them, we shall not help them.”
Speech at a Mammoth Rally at the University Stadium, Lahore on 30th October, 1947:
"We thank Providence for giving us courage and faith to fight the forces of evil. If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Qura’n, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours…"
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these are just few refrences from his speeches i can produce more if you like. NOW….
the Question should be asked whether the Quiad e azam was an opprtunist hypocrite politician like asif zardari???
i think you should answer the question.
what i said was specifically in the context of a dead person?…the question was raised by you whether he was a shia or not…my question is simply that how would you form an opinuion about any person?
through his action, his words and his struggle or by the some sensational revelations by his relatives on the issue of his property during court proceedings???
ofcourse other's religion is not my business….does islam asks to convert non muslim forcibly?
Islam wants rule of shariyah thats all….
i have no problem if christian wants to remain christian and practice christianity or hindu or sikh wants to do the same.
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"Go and check the Sindh High Court Record and if you can access then also check Bombay High Cort Record"
no sir!!! i don't need to check the record of court proceeding while recorded history is there…millions of people lost their lives, millions of people left their homes land for the sacred land …..the constitution of pakistan given by your beloved zulifiqar ali bhutto and earlier "Qarardad e Maqasid" is the biggest proof that despite of all kinds deviation,islam will played and will play a major role in the future revolution..inshAllah
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Why did Jinnah appointed Sir Zafarullah Chudhry, [First Foreign Secreatry/Minister of Pakistan. Sir Zafarullah Chaudhry was a Hardcore Quadiyani and a declared one.
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Please provide the source and references for the above text.
Someone please point out to Jahil online that the grass is green too! Maybe cricket itself is a conspiracy against Pakistan.