Dear Awab and other friends,
I can feel Awab’s pain as someone who did follow this case so closely, and I do not mistake his patience now as anything due to lack of sensitivity. Contrary, I admire him for that.
Perhaps it would help to recap the points that were elaborated in the report ‘Don’t Blame the Victim‘ released from this forum in late 2008.
The basic stance was that in this case, a victim had been turned into the accused. That is an old tactic of patriarchy. In this case, there was not one allegations but four, and justice required that they should be addressed in the order in which they had appeared:
- First allegation was brought against Aafia, long, long, long ago by US authorities that she had links with Al-Qaeda. This was dropped by the US authorities. So let it go (though they can be taken into account for raising false flags)
- Second allegation was by international human rights group, prior to July 17, 2008, that Aafia was being held in secret prison, was unlawfully abducted and sexually tortured, and that he children had been abducted. This needed to be addressed before moving on. This allegation was AGAINST the US and allied authorities, and the most serious of all because two of those children are still missing, and could be dead.
- Third allegation was by US authorities that on July 17, 2008, Aafia was found to be in possession of some objectionable and dangerous material. This was, again, not brought up, so it can be dropped. But it was a counter-allegation by the “accused”, which in this case was US authorities (and Afghan and Pakistani authorities too – i do not want to sound as if I am ignoring their alleged role in this matter, but since US authorities ended up having custody of the victim, the focus naturally shifts to them)
- The fourth allegation was by US authorities that she fired at some US soldiers, etc. while she was being interrogated, after her alleged arrest in the event of #3. This is the only allegation on which Aafia has been tried. See, where it comes in the order?
People’s Resistance was/is not about bowing down to PUPPET JUDICIARIES. How many judges had been sworn in after Justice Chaudhry was kicked out? Was there not a replacement judiciary sitting in the Supreme Court which was “unanimous” against (y)our stand?
Yes, there should be no violence. Rather, I would say that there should not be even the thought of violence. Yet, the least we can do is to understand where we stand, and to focus on the moral victories which we have won recently. We are far from perfect, like everyone else. But like other decent nations, we too have set some golden precedents for the 21st Century, and PR has played such a major role in that. Its a new century, and we seem to have arrived here before many others. Lets keep peace for the sake of living up to our better traditions, and leaving behind our worst.
Do you think PR should do something for peace-keeping? There can be backlash, and unpleasant backlash, and perhaps if we could do something to prevent it, maybe even by way of coming up with some peaceful alternatives?
We are, after all, on the same side. Its a wonderful resource we have here.
Regards,
Khurram Ali Shafique
Comments
55 responses to “Dr. Aafia found Guilty – The Missing Links”
Credit goes to Pakistan Army for doing their job.
Yes, they started all this selling stuff.
From now, I'll be ashamed to read that Pakistanis are one nation. I'll remember what we did to our Pakistani sister.
I was so sad after reading the new, but when I saw the following video, I am feeling much better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYD8VRQVEI
BROTHER I DONT KNOW ENGLISH BUT CAN SPEAK URDU ,.,.,,..,
MERI PAKISTANIS SE YE DERKHWAAST HA K KAL KO YE GHIAR MAZHAB WALY PEOPLE AA K HUMARI SISTER'S KO B HUMARY GHARO E LAY KAR CHALY JAY GY AOUR HUL LOG DAKHTY REH JAY GY JASY K AAJ DR AFIA KO LAY GAY HA HUMARY MULK SE UTHA K MERI GUZARISH K HUM SUB PAKISTANI MILL K AIK EHTEJAAJ KARY DR AFIA K LIA PLZ WO B HUMARI SISTER HA
nazia, where are you getting your information from?
they use such terminology against muslims, as its against their evil way of life.
do you think you will be accepted by these low life kuffar. they will demean you.
Try not to use kaffir views against muslims.
Abdullah
That is beauty in Islamic culture that when we feel helpless, we focus our all energy towards God and that are moments when we become fearless from all dangers.
So I think her mother has come to this epic point after extreme stress and trauma.
I wish she could have stopped her daughter at an early stage when she was showing inclination to extremist groups.
Nazia,
I don't think that there is any logical evidence that she showed any kind of inclination to extremist groups.
@abdullah
have u read the views of Dr. Afia's husband and uncle about her?
read this,
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201…
sorry i pasted the wrong link, here's the right one,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/aafia…
Pakistan and her all kind of movements like people resistance completely lost all kind of credibility in international forum under Musharraf regime as this ruling group completely exposed Pakistan in the line of terror.
In this case even Afia family couldnt proof it that she was caught held from Karachi under Paksitan intelligence agencies.
US people are not interested what is is going on it streets.
They can only judge and view our situation what our officials and rulers bring for them.
Musharraf and his team offered theme Afia and many missing people with all kind of required proofs and our officials working in embassy and Foreign offices are abide by the orders given to them.
They cant do any thing above their level and range.
Afia return is threat to Musharraf and his colleagues who at that time made this deal at the cost of giving them missing people as few useless,and disposable citizens of Pakistan for covering up corruption of high officials and top political leaders.
@Observer
I think you are aching for another ‘head-banger’ bowl — you ‘irrational’ twerp!
it is unfortunate for us
point is this in this one case we are expecting justice from american judiciary for a muslim women belonging to pakistan
pity for us
and to be truthful
we must appreciate american system on it
or dont we ?
what do u think of all the women and children and men kidnapped by pakistani agencies with in pakistan and not returned to thier homes even after courts order?
so nut shell is
who is better
we or them ???
ethically and morally both
and most imp of all
have we ever tried to notice it or even any leader of ours ever tried to give this knowledge to his/her voters ??
unfortunate na
we are dead nation
think about it
selling our mates for money ???
how cute
and who was selling 🙂
our president
wat else we need ???
Qaisar, I agree 100% with you
Abdullah
She had tendency of showing extremism trends during her years in MIT.
she was married to an Arab who happens to be in Guanatanmo for no reason other than terrorism and association with Al-Qaeda and her being picked up right after Khalid Sheikh Muhammad started from Rawalpindi, disclosing her involvement in Alqaeda movement.
Her first married life was actually broken due to her deep involvement with such groups which she thought was for a cause.
So her ex husband provided necessary details to FBI on this issue.
For further details
you can read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui
Nonsense.. she is supposed to have been an extremist when at MIT which is pre 911…. Everyone in your Paki fauj including the entire ISI and Generals had "Shown Extremist Tendencies" at that time. The U Turn was made after 911. How come they picked on her alone.
Looks like the americans are getting their butt kicked in afghanistan so all they can do is pick on a 100 pound woman. Shameful. sissies. No courage, shame or honor left.
we must capture ann.w .patterson and send her to jail until Aafia is not released.
shame on u nazia,u r justifying whom cause?.
read quran 49:6
@Nazia
It's all right to use Wikipedia for information, but please refrain from linking to Wikipedia on such matters. It can have been written by anybody. Since this matter is so serious, then it is NOT all right that you refer to that source. It's not good enough for this issue!!!
Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s husband breaks his silence after six years – Wednesday, February 18, 2009 – Claims most reports in the local media are false, suspects his two ‘missing’ children are in Karachi – By Aroosa Masroor
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
Abduallah
International planners who plan war games in our region take personalities who have strong natural inclination towards their implementing techniques/procedures.
Like jihad war zia ul haq a son of mooazan having strong roots in religious set up was picked to lead Pakistan.No shia or Musharraf like general was preferred at that time so that he carried on religious mission as per his nature.
The comes post 911 period, Musharraf a son of tablechi and known to every one for his woman and drink hobbies,was picked to curb this anti extremism drives in the same region where once Zia was allocated a mission of extremism.
So aafia like personality is handpicked first due to their own inclination toward prescribed mission.
Therefore we saw that she had broken her first marriage life just for following his faith.That tells us about her overconfidence and over reaction on her acts.
We should remember that she was US citizen and on her interest she applied for it.US never forced anybody to take its citizenship.So now she is cursing US to which she even wanted to live before her arrest.So these are same kaaffar to whom we demand citizenship for excelling in fields of our desire.
US gave her best opportunities to grow in her field,even Americans and other Pakistani couldnt get so much privileges which she had.
I don't agree with such comments of people that Muslim are facing threat in US after 911.
We as Muslims living in Muslim countries like Pakistan are more vulnerable to attack, jobless or economic deprivation after 911.
I haven't seen a single family migrated back to Pakistan after 911.They all are working in their legal domain and their local governments are not showing any kind of discrimination to them.Even after seeing the devastating conditions of Paksitan,taken away their rest blood relations from here.US for last 3 years have expedited its immigration process than before but make it very expensive .
"Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s husband breaks his silence after six years"
Oh come of it! Yeah he waited six years to come out and say the whole story against Dr Aafia is as US says:
Did he miss anything to provide cover for each point made against her? Not one bit! Wonder why US did not call this so willing a witness — it certainly would have killed most of the controversy. Here are some more jewels:
Oh so not only Aafia but now her whole family is guilty as well and that pic of Aafia we have become so familiar with is the result of "a baby bottle accident"?
Shame on Asoora Masroor and shame on The News and shame on you for peddling such crap as 'truth'.
Dear Mr Nota,
Just shared the link like others no need to be furious, Sir.
‘MI handed Dr Aafia over to US’ By Faraz Khan Friday, August 08, 2008
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200…
KARACHI: The Sindh Home Department has alleged Military Intelligence (MI) detained Dr Aafia Siddiqui in 2003 and then handed her over to United States-based agencies, Daily Times learnt on Thursday.
Indeed shame on news and me too and BBC as well
’عافیہ نے جہاد کرنے پر زور ڈالا‘
احمد رضا
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، کراچی
وقتِ اشاعت: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 21:32 GMT 02:32 PST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2009/02/…
Six months after her divorce, she married Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew of the 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, at a small ceremony near Karachi. Siddiqui's family denies the wedding took place, but it has been confirmed by Pakistani and US intelligence, al-Baluchi's relatives and, according to FBI interview reports recently filed in court, Siddiqui herself. At any rate, it was a short-lived honeymoon. The mystery of Dr Aafia Siddiqui Declan Walsh The Guardian, Tuesday 24 November 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/aafia…
Observer
I never say it an authentic document but it is easy to approach it in quick way.
As all information provided in this tally with my other sources and links which are difficult to trace in little time.
And if I would say to you that Mughal has provided good piece of link related to topic then you would start cursing on him.
So I think it is better to give the link of Wikipedia ,otherwise covetousness of somebody would take discussion to other side.
One thing I told you through my personal observation in her case that how she had broken her marriage at the time of her pregancy and being a mother of minors. Her extreme invlovement in such circles while living in US itself is showing imbalnce in her personality.
I can assure you that no matter how ambitious a woman for her mission or profession but once she become mother, she should shift her all religious and professional priorities at all costs until her minors grow to some independent being.
Another weakness I found in her personality that if her husband who is legal father of her kids, was not cooperating with her personal affairs,she should had thought thousand times before enhancing towards such groups,just for sake of preserving her normal married life which is a precious assets for any educated and professional woman.
@Nazia
Do you have a special school of thought where you learn this kind of debate? I really don't know from where to start to throw your "arguments" in the dustbin.
And who mentioned Aamir Mughal to be part of this?
You have to learn that no matter what happened in her PERSONAL life, then the Americans have NO right to abduct her from Pakistan and then on top of that convict her with the help of an Yankee kangaroo court on VERY weak "documentation".
I learnt this low level skills Through "help yourself and personal experience"
No problem throw it in dust bin.
I will pick it and recycle it .
I am expert in recycling waste methods.
Go ahead and try it.
Americans have all kinds of rights in our country and this green signal is given to them by our superior army and its intelligence groups.You have sold your honor for few bucks.
They were not abducting a Pakistani citizen but taking back US citizen under the custody of US law enforcing agency.
Americans Didn't abduct her in the first place.
‘MI handed Dr Aafia over to US’ By Faraz Khan Friday, August 08, 2008
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200…
KARACHI: The Sindh Home Department has alleged Military Intelligence (MI) detained Dr Aafia Siddiqui in 2003 and then handed her over to United States-based agencies, Daily Times learnt on Thursday.
I support the version Nazia holds.We simply cannot dismiss all evidence as fake.
The British prisoners caught from the borders of Pak Afghan border during the war ended up in Gitmo ,even some were innocent and they were released without prosecution last year or so.
I do not think this is personal conspiracy of USA against Dr.Afia.
"To be at the wrong place at the wrong time and to be with the wrong people and now a days to have the contact numbers of wrong people in your mobile can get you in big trouble,visit to radical blogs and second hand mobiles and sims if they were in the possession of wrong person can get one convicted in the court .Save yourself.
And act rationally.
@nota
I dare not bring any more pictures/cartoons. Last time I had to face spAM posts for several weeks from you know whom 😉
@Farrahshah
"We simply cannot dismiss all evidence as fake."
Can you please enlighten us?
There is a film based on the story you are referring to. I think it is "The road to Guantanamo".
1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpnJtZbhoIs
2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QoeWGnsN9Y
3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW5BOqcJ9HE&fe…
4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_xUiB2KCA
5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9XV_G4noM
6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOh_hReyXg
7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rLxeqH8ENA
8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lu2Nc60adU
9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAptIpLWcF8&fe…
10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD74TMgvqXQ&fe…
Observer I am saying this becasue of evidence of july seven bombing in London,and at Glasgow Airport ,watching the interviews and following the evidence in several cases ,including Gitmo.
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piece by piece how people are linked particularly failed suicicde bomb attack at Glasgow.
The attackers stayed in london with friends but those friends were unaware of the plans so they were never taken into custody.
the bomber was Indian origin Muslim and he was in Cambridge I think studying at scholarship.
@Teethmaestro
Will you please release my above message to Farrahshah. It is awaiting moderation for no reason, thanks.
@Nazia
"No problem throw it in dust bin.
I will pick it and recycle it .
I am expert in recycling waste methods."
Recyclist??
Why does this remind me of all the piplyas acting on TV-shows with the same recycled "message", where nobody can find upside or downside of the story….. Lagee raho 🙂
@Aamir
"Americans Didn’t abduct her in the first place."
They need not, when we have a mercenary army and the agencies working for them, but that does not exonerate the Americans from their responsibility to NOT to ask anyone for unfair/illegal favors.
Agreed to a great extent, Sir.
Musharraf recalls in his memoir, “In the Line of Fire.” Within months Kiyani had unraveled the two plots and arrested most of the participants. He was rewarded in 2004 with a promotion to chief of ISI, and the next year his agency scored big with the arrest of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the senior Qaeda lieutenant who masterminded the attempts on Musharraf’s life. A former U.S. intelligence official who dealt personally with Kiyani says the ISI “took a lot of bad guys down” under his leadership. REFERENCE: The Next Musharraf A Westernized, chain-smoking spy could soon become the most powerful man in Pakistan. By Ron Moreau and Zahid Hussain NEWSWEEK From the magazine issue dated Oct 8, 2007 http://www.newsweek.com/id/41883
Nazia says: February 4, 2010 at 12:44 pm – She had tendency of showing extremism trends during her years in MIT. she was married to an Arab who happens to be in Guanatanmo for no reason other than terrorism and association with Al-Qaeda and her being picked up right after Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.
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Background [as published] is as under:
Why is it so that every key member of above network has a US Background [either educational, professional etc.etc.] either they were in USA, are in USA and had been associated with USA??? Date of kidnapping of Ms. Aafia and Mr KSM is to noticed while keeping in mind their US background.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is believed to have been born in either 1964 or 1965 in Kuwait into a family originally from the Pakistani province of Baluchistan, which borders Afghanistan. He is said to be fluent in Arabic, English, Urdu and Baluchi. He graduated in 1986 from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in the US. Profile: Al-Qaeda 'kingpin' Page last updated at 14:04 GMT, Friday, 13 November 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2811855.stm
Terror mastermind captured – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is thought to be the man who masterminded the attacks on 11 September. His capture in Pakistan was seen as a key success in the US fight to counter al-Qaeda. BBC News Online presents key video reports following the arrest. Tuesday, 4 March, 2003, 22:56 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2820179.stm
Mohammed was captured on March 1, 2003, at a safe house in Rawalpindi, a garrison town near the Pakistani capital of Islamabad. The photograph that flashed across the world after the arrest was of a slovenly, overweight man. When Mohammed, an avid reader of press reports about him, later saw it, he was furious. 'THE MASTERMIND'
For smug KSM, federal court could be perfect arena By Peter Finn Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, November 14, 2009 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/stor…
In a surprise move this week, Pakistan's federal minister of the interior, Faisal Saleh Hayat, listed a number of incidences in which members of the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), the premier fundamentalist party in the country, had been tied to al-Qaeda, and called on it to "explain these links".
Pakistan turns on itself By Syed Saleem Shahzad Aug 19, 2004 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FH19Df05….
Tina Monshipour, an attorney for Siddiqui’s family, said afterwards: “This verdict is being subject to an appeal.” “There were a lot of unfair decisions,” Monshipour said, adding “She was portrayed as a terrorist even if there were no terrorism charges in this trial. This is one of those cases in which we see prejudice and bias invade the courtroom.”
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This is not an adverse judgement.She is not convicted of Terrorism.
She can appeal aaginst the verdict.
Veracity of US Judiciary and Legal System:
USA PATRIOT Act A gradual erosion of the Constitution
February 2006 By Olga Bonfiglio http://www.zmag.org/zmag/viewArticle/13649
Civil Liberties and the Patriot Act
http://www.ccsf.edu/Library/patriot.pdf
@Farrahshah
"This is not an adverse judgement. She is not convicted of Terrorism. She can appeal aaginst the verdict."
Even if she was not convicted of terrorism in the US Court, she seems to be getting convicted for it here. No?
Nazia says: February 4, 2010 at 12:44 pm – She had tendency of showing extremism trends during her years in MIT. she was married to an Arab who happens to be in Guanatanmo for no reason other than terrorism and association with Al-Qaeda and her being picked up right after Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.
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"It was published in the national press on the very first day after this raid that the police conducted two raids in Rawalpindi and arrested Arabs. I believe that they arrested these people from some other location and showed them arrested at the residence of Ahmed Abdul Qudoos, who is a relative of a leader of the Jamaat-i-Islami's women's wing," the chief of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Karachi, Dr Merajul Huda, told Asia Times Online. The Jamaat-i-Islami is Pakistan's most prominent Islamic party and a part of an ultraconservative coalition that gained an unprecedented number of seats in last October's elections, largely on the strength of a virulently anti-American platform. Khalid: A test for US credibility By Syed Saleem Shahzad Mar 6, 2003 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EC06Df04….
CIA's 'preeminent source'
Is There More to the Capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Than Meets the Eye? http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=e…
Missing US Connections [why in every such US Citizens are involved]
Dr Aafia Siddiqui's disappearance The following is a chronological account of Dr Siddiqi's disappearance and the current status of the situation: 30 March 2004 Tuesday http://www.dawn.com/2004/03/30/letted.htm#5
I don't understand why she disrupted her court proceedings so much. If she believed in justice as she claimed to why not behave in a proper manner…I have my doubts of her credibility now…educated people just don't behave in such a manner in court specially when their life depends on it!
This may help!
Keep in mind that Diplomats enjoy immunity and now read this
The ordeal of Mullah Zaeef By Ayaz Amir September 22, 2006
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/20060922.htm
To say that the account is eye-opening would be an understatement. It is harrowing and mind-blowing. Can anyone bend so low as our government did? And can behaviour be as wretched as that displayed by American military personnel into whose custody Zaeef was given? On the morning of January 2, 2002, three officials of a secret agency arrived at Zaeef’s house in Islamabad with this message: “Your Excellency, you are no more excellency.” One of them said, no one can resist American power, or words to that effect. “America wants to question you. We are going to hand you over to the Americans so that their purpose is served and Pakistan is saved from a big danger.” Zaeef could have been forgiven for feeling stunned. From the “guardians of Islam” this was the last thing that he expected, that for the sake of a few “coins” (his words) he would be delivered as a “gift” to the Americans.
Under heavy escort he was taken to Peshawar, kept there for a few days and then pushed into his nightmare. Blindfolded and handcuffed, he was driven to a place where a helicopter was waiting, its engines running. Someone said, “Khuda hafiz” (God preserve you). There were some people speaking in English. “Suddenly I was pounced upon and flung on the ground, kicked and pummelled from all sides. So sudden was the attack that I was dumbfounded… My blindfold slipping, I saw a line of Pakistani soldiers to one side and some vehicles including one with a flag…My clothes were stripped from my body and I was naked but ‘my former friends’ kept watching the spectacle. The locks on their lips I can never forget… The (Pakistani) officers present there could at least have said he is our guest, in our presence don’t treat him like this. Even in my grave I will not be able to forget that scene.” Did the Pakistani officers present at the scene of Zaeef’s humiliation feel nothing when the Americans were laying into him? Did the thought not cross their minds that more than Zaeef’s humiliation it was their humiliation? And who was the senior officer, with a flag on his jeep? My course-mate Ehsan — 41st PMA — was then heading ISI, the organization in overall command of such sensitive matters. Maybe he throws some light on this incident if he sits down to write his memoirs.
@Aysh
"educated people just don’t behave in such a manner in court specially when their life depends on it!"
I would like to see you "behave properly" if you were tortured, held captive, shot, molested and didn't know the whereabouts of your children. Maybe you would have been mad by now!
Mughal
You are quite right that people caught somewhere else and showed on some other places.
It is game of double and triple plans.
Lal mosque violent attack was also episode of same horror movies where lot of scenes have been created to brain wash public.
Police officers here in Islamabad were sure that army management was well informed who were actually with aziz brothers at that time.Due to mess of out of control students of lal mosque, it was unavoidable for them to further hide them in this under ground cell which was all time used as hideouts of Afghan jihadis under ISI.
Sheikh Mohammed might be hidden here and then planted somewhere else for putting trouble to another opponent.
In recent parade land incident inquiry same techniques of investigation for framing other opponents are being used, making the position of Intelligence agencies very suspicious.
I witnessed that Mualana abdul aziz of lal mosque was kept in guest houses of Bahria town Islamabad under protection of malik riaz personal guards and federal people.
No authentic charge sheet was provided when he was produced in court and sooner he got bailed he was sent to Saudia for Umrrah purpose.That is why we all saw that not a single comment he made against Musharraf and army after getting bail who brutally raided his mosques and killed many along with his brother and mother.
We have been trapped by our own plans/ people whom we gave immense power to rule us and obey US.
Yaseen
For which act I feel shame.
She was an American citizen and before her arrest she was planning to move back to US with her kids.
She was privileged citizen of US .
What ever is being done to my country like drone attacks, chopping of poor tribal people,suicidal blasts on the name of different experiments of war on terror are more horrible than her case.
Her all family has an excess in US even her brother is comfortably living and practicing well in Houston.
Our Ex COAS under MI made her extradition possible in smooth way.
Present COAS kiayni at that moment was ISI senior man who also contributed in her exit.
Govt is trying to avoid her case and haqqani who is also ex JAMMATI like her has no courage to take some daring stance on this verdict.
So why I feel shame in her case? unclear situation for me under your remarks!
totally agree with Nazia if I am living abroad and studying on scholarships which means funds from a foreign country and if I commit crime against that foreign country than I should be punished.
Observer
So now you are preparing for political missile attack on me by segregating me in your defined"pipliay" parameter.
As I cant reach the background of your taunt so holding my response till further attack.
By the way environmental science is also my area of interest and it is my conssitent stand for many years that now we don't need any further mosques and that area should be allocated for recycling waste water and garbage handling units .
TALIBAAN has demanded release of Dr Afia or else they will murder the US captives in their camp.
Not bad exchange !!
Nazia says: February 4, 2010 at 10:42 pm Mughal
Lal mosque violent attack was also episode of same horror movies where lot of scenes have been created to brain wash public. Police officers here in Islamabad were sure that army management was well informed who were actually with aziz brothers at that time.Due to mess of out of control students of lal mosque, it was unavoidable for them to further hide them in this under ground cell which was all time used as hideouts of Afghan jihadis under ISI.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
My only objection is the Loss of Innocent Human Life. Lal Masjid episode was a bait Musharraf used to divert the attention.
How Ghazi brothers got hold of seminaries By Umar Cheema
Sunday, July 08, 2007, Jamadi-us-sani 22, 1428 A.H. http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=63…
ISLAMABAD: There is a general misconception that the Lal Masjid clerics who are making the headlines nowadays owe their 'glory' to the blessings of intelligence agencies. The facts tell a different story. It would be interesting to know how Maulana Abdullah, the late father of the Ghazi Brothers 'maneuvered' to get the Khitabat of Lal Masjid and Jamia Faridia. Equally interesting would be to know why masjid and madrasah were respectively named as Lal Masjid and Jamia Faridia. It was the late Field Marshal Ayub Khan, the country's first military ruler, who got appointed late Maulana Abdullah as the prayer leader of Lal Masjid, on the advice of his spiritual guide, Pir Sahib of Deval Sharif.
Pakistan: Trouble in the mosque By Syed Saleem Shahzad South Asia Apr 12, 2007
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ID12Df03….
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ID12Df04….
The brothers come from Balochistan province's Mari tribe, which is the most active component of the ongoing Baloch insurgency. Maulana Abdullah was known for his critical speeches in Friday prayers, even against the late president Zia ul-Haq, who provided Maulana Abdullah with the land in the most expensive sector of Islamabad to construct Jamia Fareedia. The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was widely blamed for Maulana Abdullah's killing.
Maulana Abdullah was a highly respected figure, known for his piety, knowledge and struggle for an Islamic way of life. Many top generals and bureaucrats attended his Friday prayers. These included disgraced nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, who frequently contributed to the needs of seminary by donating books, food and construction material.
The government wanted the brothers arrested, but then-federal minister for religious affairs and son of former president Zia Ejaz ul-Haq, who was very close to the brothers, intervened. He became guarantor on behalf of the state that if Rasheed surrendered for interrogations to an intelligence agency of the armed forces and if no evidence came out, he would be cleared of all charges. "Before going into custody I made it clear to Ejaz ul-Haq that I had met everybody, including Osama, [Taliban leader] Mullah Omar [and] Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri and that many wanted figures did come to Lal Masjid because it is a mosque and anybody can come to this place. So any evidence of terror should be other than that. Ejaz ul-Haq agreed, and then I was handed over to intelligence, " Rasheed told Asia Times Online in a recent interview.
Mughal
Loss of human citizens??
Who cares, who bothers about drone and missiles attacks or planted bombing in congested civilian areas.
It has become fate of our our innocent, ignorant but highly emotional citizens that they had and would be used as prey of experiments of establishments until we wouldn't be able rehabilitate our strong human laws.
Go to our history first Biharis, then mqm workers and now Taliban all have same kind of motives.State under cover machinery supported and supplied arms to them for some political and military purposes and after use ,discarded like disposable materials in incinerator.
All has common thing that most of leadership of such resistances is all time secured or given safe passage to other destination.
Links of Ijaz ul haq with both clerics of Lal Mosque was known to all police officers of Islamabad.Two time those clerics were caught red handed with illegal arms in their vehicles.It was Ijaz ul haq who came and rescued him from police custody.
So it is surprise for me that their father was against Zia ul haq.Since the time of zia that mosques and medressah got full funding from religious affairs ministry.
The goal of this religious helm was same to bring the siblings of deprived class from underdeveloped areas here and keep on brain washing for some specific purposes.
You can also judge its ambiguity that even all orders of attack was done by Musharraf but not a single FIR was written against him.
Army is still fully backing the mission of war on terror and they are doing their best to clear the crime slate of ex boss at all costs.That is why not a single person of PPP even sitting on top seats has any courage to file a FIR against their Shaheed BIBI.
So these people would be killed and killed until this fever of militarism would be treated with disciplined civilian force.
@Nazia
I wouldn't recommend to tear down existing mosques since it can create unnecessary noise/unrest. I would rather plan construction of new mosques according to what is needed.
Off topic:
"By the way environmental science is also my area of interest and it is my consistent stand for many years that now we don’t need any further mosques and that area should be allocated for recycling waste water and garbage handling units ."
Are you sure that it's a good idea to have these recycling waste water and garbage handling units in the middle of residential areas? To me it seems like a VERY bad idea!
The mosque which can not promote, brotherhood, equality and harmony in the areas should be tear down.
Our country and its mosques have developed wrong concept of religion which is only promoting extremism and hatred among all settled communities.Now we have many sunni, Ahle bait,hadees, shia mosques and hardly found any mosque for a real momin.One Azzan is repeated many times as other sect is not in mood of listening the sound coming from mosque of different sect.
Go and watch nearby mosques located in less posh areas.Piles of garbage can be seen around our worship places.
Drain smell is felt while praying or living in small houses or passing from streets.
So muslman must know that cleanliness is half of your faith so why not cover this half faith by cleaning the whole mess.
Garbage handling units and waste treatment plants don't cover a wide area and we need only positive intention to build it in all vicinities, no matter on the land of mosque too.
Ms. Nazia: You are correct to the hilt
Mosques and Imam Bargahs on Encroached Land.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mosques-…
Please do something for sis Aafia