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DAWN Raping the Rape Victim

Much out cry has been heard regarding the Daewoo rape incident which has lead many human rights organizations working hand-in-hand with the police to hopefully arrest the perpetrators – but today I was shocked to read in Dawn (10th Feb 2010 – Page 9) while discussing the story – the “correspondent” very casually mentions the name of the victim with such intricate details of the crime that it seems as if he might actually be quoting the actual FIR verbatim

“SIALKOT, Feb 9: Police have yet to arrest the second alleged rapist in the kidnap-cum-rape case of a bus hostess here in Sialkot, Dawn has learnt. Daewoo bus hostess A**** Q**** [censorship added] alleged that Irshad Bhatti, of Gujrat, along with Sarfraz allegedly kidnapped her late on Saturday and raped her. ” link

I do not know if the victim has come forth with permission allowing the Dawn correspondent to publicly use her name so explicitly and repeatedly so many times through out the column that it infuriates me -she has suffered enough of this heinous crime that it alone will take many years for her to recuperate the rape trauma – now adding fuel to the fire the public record and everyone even remotely associated with this 20-yr old girl will always brandish her name quickly linking her with the Daweeo rape victim – the pain which she will go through emotionally and physically is now going to be quadrupled to unimaginable proportions as she now will also tainted in the public eye too

Dawn and the Dawn group of newspapers must take this journalistic lapse very seriously and it must be condemned at all counts – a public apology must be issued and it may also stand to benefit that they be forced to print a series of columns on how to prevent / manage rape and its implications in the long run – this may serve as a public service giving us all a reminder to society that this crime may last for a fleeting moment but it leaves a life long victim in its wake

This email is being forwarded to the editor of Dawn and is being posted to blogs and spread to a large number of mailing lists – let this stand as public knowledge that such acts should not be tolerated and editors of such prestigious journalistic organizations. Must be mindful of such forms of reporting


69 Comments

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Motto of Pakistani Media [specifically after the Mushroom Growth of Myriad TV Channels]

    'The truth,' I said. 'Can't any of you tell the truth? Do you always have to manipulate others doing your dirty work for you when the truth is so much simpler?'

    'That's show business,' Guy said glibly.

    'I don't like it,' I said.

    'You better get used to it if you're going to stay in it.' (from The Lonely Lady by Harold Robbins, 1976)

  • Observer |

    I will not stop at CONDEMNING the baboo newspaper DAWN by this ugly incident alone. I hate DAWN for it's anti Muslim agenda. There are just too many house negros working for DAWN like:

    – Irfan Hussain,

    – Aisha Siddiqa,

    – Nadeem F**k Paratha

    – Saima Mohsin

    – Cyril Almeida

    The list goes on.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Yes your are right when the Founding Father of Dawn is Jinnah who also appointed a Quadiyani Foreign Minister for Pakistan right after independence then it is quite clear that Dawn has Anti Muslim agenda.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      What is more shameful?

      1 – Hiding a Crime.

      2 – Not Reporting it.

      3 – Misquoting it.

      4 – Capitalizing tragedies.

      or committing it????

      The tormenting memory of Nawabpur By Omar R. Quraishi 12 October 2004 Tuesday 26 Shaban 1425 http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/12/op.htm#4

      Two women and a nine-year-old girl, were paraded naked on March 31, 1984, through the small galis of Nawabpur, a small, sleepy town some 10 kilometres from Multan. The women's brother-in-law, Akbar, was a local carpenter, who had earned a name for himself by becoming skilled at his craft. The man, according to one account which appeared three weeks after the incident in this newspaper's weekly magazine, was that he had been having affairs with women from the town's leading feudal Sheikhana clan.

    • SayB |

      I'm surprised u didn't say there was some kind of a Zionist organization behind DAWN. Please provide proof that DAWN has an anti-muslim agenda. All I know is that they are a bit too vocal and direct ( bad-tameez in short ). And we are not angels too. A good muslim DOES NOT POINT FINGERS and DOES NOT make CLAIMS WITHOUT PROOF and DOES NOT rely on CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

    • SayB |

      Mr. Munir Mughal, founding father has got nothing to do with the current state of the DAWN. Just like you can't be blamed for ur father's mistakes and ur Father for yours once you are an adult. Please provide solid reasoning.

      Moreover, DAWN should take a notice of this, this is clearly NOT good journalism. Going out DAWN is making its name in.

      This shows they have run out of *mature* journalists.

    • Abdullah |

      Not to be picky, but you complain about dawn's anti muslim agenda while using the racist term house negro…..

      Thats not a very islamic thing my friend.

    • HH |

      This is ridiculous. First you criticize Dawn for it's 'anti-muslim agenda' and then use the word 'negro' to describe some of its columnists. Perhaps you've forgotten that 300 million muslims are Black Africans…

  • Salman Latif |

    /On Tuesday, the hostess spoke to reporters at the Sialkot DPO office in the presence of civil society activists and Daewoo Express staffers.

    //

    I think that's proof enough to the fact that the girl had no problem going public with the issue and getting her the justice she deserves. I guess her name would barely have stayed out of the information circuit after having such a sitting with such an audience.

    • Teeth Maestro |

      Salman – I think you do have a valid point, but on the contrary DAWN still has a policy, for example if a naked man were to run on the street, will Dawn print his image? no – [used only as an analogy]

      Here I believe she may have wanted to come forth and tackle this rape issue raising the issue to confront the culprits – but somehow does Dawn agree that publishing teh name of the victim serves the purpose or is the purpose to apprehend the culprits.

  • icd |

    That fool must be penalized for bringing the profession into disrepute and for lack of respect to the victim's suffering.

  • qisakhwani |

    Awab Sb, you have pointed out the right issue. Our reporter/editors should use the language that isn’t offensive to the victim especially if she is a female. In the societies like ours, most of the cases go unreported due to this very fact that the victim is exploited in the name of reporting. Our English press shouldn’t forget that they are read in Pakistan where, unfortunately, the person being sexually harassed is considered the culprit. We the so-called protectors of women honor have little respect for the women raped.

  • Sana |

    very bad Dawn. And very very bad Dr. Awab and Teeth Maestro. You guys are no different. You have given link to the actual story so whats the need to censoring the pasted text? You guys are no different. Shameful!

  • Deneb |

    Its high time the private channels and their media professionals re-examine the Code of Conduct they had endorsed last November – that was more pertaining to terrorism coverage. I’ve yet to come across the details of this Code of Conduct, I’m sure it included not showing faces and naming women victims of violence. Lately however in the pursuit of breaking news, there seems to be a general amnesia about any code of conduct with regards to the already victimized among the so called media professionals. The civil society should definitely take a stand on it.

  • Observer |

    @Aamir

    "Yes your are right when the Founding Father of Dawn is Jinnah"

    What a "logical" approach.

    That has nothing to do with the current state of DAWN.

    The founding father of Pakistan is also Jinnah. Does that mean Pakistan is in good health too?

    "who also appointed a Quadiyani Foreign Minister for Pakistan right after independence then it is quite clear that Dawn has Anti Muslim agenda."

    Who the heck brought in Qadianis in this discussion?

    Can you explain what Saima Mohsin was doing in the American embassy or what she was doing when she made a "fair" interview of Shireen Mazari?

    • HH |

      Observer:

      Every six months or so, the Saudi embassy hosts a lavish dinner which every single political party and leading journalists attend. Judging by your condemnation of Saima Mohsin attending a dinner at the American embassy, I assume you must condemn the Saudis as well…

      Second, what exactly in the interview with Shireen Mazari did you find so objectionable? I've seen the interview and there didn't seem anything wrong with it.

  • Observer |

    @Abdullah

    "Not to be picky, but you complain about dawn’s anti muslim agenda while using the racist term house negro…..

    Thats not a very islamic thing my friend."

    Yes, indeed you are picky, my friend. The term is not used to be derogatory towards the black people. I regard them as my equals. The term is used to show the mindset of our own "house negros" i.e. people who portray themselves as more white than the whites themselves…..a baboo(n) if you will. Now, that's a derogatory expression……against the baboons off course ;-)

  • Observer |

    @HH

    I am amazed that you have turned the blind eye towards the biased interview of Shireen Mazari. Saima Mohsin acted like any FOX News journalist i.e. let the gora master speak freely and without interruption and constantly being in an attacking mode against Shireen Mazari.

    On top of that she was photographed in like any model with the Americans. That's unworthy! It is not appropriate for any journalist to visit the US embassy in the current scenario. No journalist should visit any embassy without a proper purpose i.e. visa application or interview.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnBPbJBoh34

  • farrahshah |

    criticsm on Dawn is blasphemeous

    ——————————————-

    But Awab has a point and valid one .Dawn should be setting examples not flaunting them.

    —-

    Here I would like to condemn the political leaders of Punjab when they bring and parade such victims and their parents infront of media and offer them money in compensation.

    And shamefully parents do accept the money.

    ——

    In one TV report on You Tube a girl from Karachi was taken by her aunty to Qatar or Dubai and tried to sell her to some Sheikh and girl ran to Pakistan ambassy to save herself.

    Latter that girl returned to Pakistan.She had covered her face but one could see her eyes.Her auntie was paraded on TV and rightly so.

    But that girl was hardly 16 or 17 she clearly didnot wish to discuss details with the journalist but she did not know how to say this to him.

    She kept saying I have nothing more to say.

    he kept pressing for the same question what happened when she sold you????????The camera was only few inches away from her eyes.

    It was so frustrating to see an innocent girl sitting among media vultures and police thugs who were all trying to get themselves permoted at the cost of her tale of sufference .

    She was very wise and calm maybe she was too young to realsie the Bullshit she was in.

    Shamefully this was happening in a police station .

    No one told the media not to harrass the girl and no one told media not to record this as she is in the Police station

    _______________________________________________________

    —-Why one cannot report such crime without publication in the press????

    ——————————————————–

    I do salute the courage of that girl to save herself from the clutches of her auntie and Shiekh in a foreign country where she didnot know the language of teh country

    But what we did as a society to help her???

  • Ali Mustafa |

    Teeth Maestro knows very well he got his facts wrong about Dawn. The victim herself went public and only then Dawn and other media outlets named her. It was agreed. Maybe we should all be less judgemental and more honest about our own mistakes.

    • Teeth Maestro |

      Ali –

      I remian sympathetic to Dawn's position – if the victim chose to appear in front of the press it was for a different reason all together. It was to be bold and brave about the crime and confront the perpetrators

      I actually still debate the sudden change in policy as to using the victims name in a rape event – previously DAWN has always used initials to represent the victim's name, even if it was aware of the name through a Police report or even the FIR. Now having been gifted with a full fledged press conference it now decides to circumvent the policy?

      I can debate endlessly – but that news report was literally tainting the newspaper in a bad light – it is as if it want to GeoTV-sensationalize with an rape scene – I questioned here NOT the press conference or if the Victim choose to let the press use her name, I questioned here the policy of quoting the name of the rape victim

      So little does the victim know that she has just been DAWN'd – Hence the title – DAWN RAPING THE RAPE VICTIM

      I stand by my position, the name of the victim should NOT have been used

  • Nazia |

    Teeth

    It is not matter of concern that whether her name is open in media or not but a heinous crime has been done.

    It is not an ordinary rape but a gang rape has been done, one of brutal crime against woman by the beast like men.

    SO one thing should sure among all of us that social life of that lady has been destroyed in our dirty society where no way her respectable status can be restored .

    Through this media coverage at least she has received deserving favor from establishment and judiciary.Now main objective should be to catch these human beasts and exemplary punishment should be executed so that no other man can even think of it.

    The miserable life is now fate of that lady as all kind of vulgar investigation (which sometime brings erotic enjoyment to men handling this issue )would be started as soon as the corrupts are caught.

    If they belong to influential family ,continuation of threats might be started to her middle class family for saving those spoiled creatures whom we have to put in human category.

    I feel so sorry for these girls working in daewoo.During my traveling ,sometimes I talked to hostess and I have very good perception about the management of Daewoo who are keeping these young girls in very secure working environment.

    Their pay packages,facilities , and secure working environment is said to be very comfortable but now this incident surely has shattered the confidence of these young ladies who by working this way is contributing huge share to their family .

    So lets pray that God would protect that daring lady and some angel like personalities would come to save her from pungent troubles coming ahead in name of investigation and prosecution of case in court.

    • Teeth Maestro |

      Nazia

      I fully agree with you – I think you are right to be concerned about the crime itself, these "reporting" issues are beside the point

  • Aamir Mughal |

    SayB says: = February 10, 2010 at 5:21 pm Mr. Munir Mughal, founding father has got nothing to do with the current state of the DAWN.

    ===================

    Sir,

    Name is Aamir.

  • faisal |

    Its an issue of ethical and professional standards some of the media managers follow or don't follow in the flow of ratings and commercialism.

    Even though the girl and her family doesn't have reservation in going public media shouldn't use the issue for glorification of such cases.

    Its like exploiting the weak position of the family that they need justice and they are relying on media (no matter how they play with the issue).

    It may not be deliberate , it may just be a negligence issue but it shouldn't be repeated.

  • faisal |

    @Nazi

    the other main issue is that one of the culprits is arrested by the police within hours of the incident and the other one is identified and raids are being done to arrest him.

    even then they exploited the story. Rauf klasra in JANG also published the story but without the name. it also served the same purpose.

    • Nazia |

      Faisal

      A culprit is caught but how it can be proved to be guilty would be start of another tragedy for this lady.

      Surely police has tried best but if we have more efficient police than this crime might be limited only in kidnapping issue and we could have saved this orphan girl from gang rape, a so called erotic adventures of human beasts.

      Again don't bother about the declaration of name of that girl as she has already trapped in whirlpool of crisis and this is only power of media that is increasing her support.

      In this country no one could punish Irfan ullah murwat who raped a high profile lady veena hayat so through this media projection she might get some moral and mental support which our community is very poor to give to others in difficult time.

      So kindly stop attacking media and think something for rehabilitation of such victims more than words.

  • jahangir |

    Inna-Lillahi-Wa Inna Ilaihee Rajion,

    Our Qaum is full of haram-khaurs like these bastards who commited this crime.

    It runs from top to down.

    What was the crime of those poor girls who were raped after the death of BB. The jialas went rampant in Karachi.

  • Nazia |

    Teeth

    I am still unable to understand that why concerned of people is more toward authenticity of Dawn or media coverage rather than depth of serious crime.

    Our media coverage is as bold, wild and blunt as I found in other countries so what is problem with the critics who can neither offer any help to such victim, nor think of offering marriage proposal to such assaulted ladies who being an orphans/single/divorcees are coming out to support their families.

    I always criticized the leadership like altaf hussain, and many Kashmirs leaders and even Imran khan under their political games many young girls are molested and gang raped but when they select a wife they prefer to opt a pure and high profile girlsmuch younger than them .They never think of giving them any kind of marital support which should have become mandatory in our Islamic society after her sleek exposure to more hyenas of this society.

    Media is doing more than our expectation as it is only media coverage that has given some protection and high profile status to Muktarian mai like gang rape victims, other wise in our courts, police is still unable to producethe real evidences against criminals and they are still roaming free.

  • Nazia |

    Faisal
    Defaming of men in such activities least bother in our hypocrite society.
    Here our women accept keeps of Husband and illegitimate kids of a men but never dare to speak for his such crimes for saving hollow honor of their family.
    There is no other requirement of handling the criminal other than arrest and punishment.
    Marwat case was one of strongest projected case and he has lot of opponents who can join hands to help the victims but we all saw after that he was two times elected in sindh assembly and even ministries were allocated to him.Not a single time the champions of representative of middle and lower class, MQM or sympathizers of Poor the PPP had ever raised this issue in assembly that a professional adulterer or rapist is being awarded by Education and Health ministry.He kept both important ministries for full tenure and no objection was raised on his character as all knew the power of his father in law.

    Same thing happened in gang rape of our actress where nephew of F.K Bundiyal was involved.Zia first gave them hanging but after the pressure from Bundiyal our EX bureaucrat and ex minister too who was close friend of Ghulum Ishaq , pardoned him who was wing leader of this gang and let the other 3 boys, who had no approach to Zia hanged till death.
    Now the criminal Bundiayl is running one of big transport business and enjoying his life with his 4 daughters.I fully hope that his daughters would be ignored of his youth time hobbies of their father and consider him the best father of the world.
    So we have seen many time such type of glimpses of VIP justice and difference is only created when media and strong NGOs create a legal and social trap against that criminal to humiliate him in all levels specially among his family.
    One thing we all should realize that such kind of beastly offense creates irreversible damage in woman’s life and best option given to her is to leave her area and settle away from area where incident has happened.
    Nobody even her family could take her in normal way so should be migrated with the help of community to better place where no one would discuss her bitter past and let her to rehabilitate her life in better environment.

  • guY-sir |

    @Sana
    very bad Dawn. And very very bad Dr. Awab and Teeth Maestro. You guys are no different. You have given link to the actual story so whats the need to censoring the pasted text? You guys are no different. Shameful!

    I agree, Mr. Awab alvi tryin to be too smart by creating this blog which is goin online around da world.But it seems superfluous all da way.
    His many stories/articles I’m unable to understand and his blog design seems ghastly thats why I stop commenting on his blog..I don’t know why he remove my blog address from his blogroll. I guess few Khatmals bite him.
    Well I don’t need a link on his blogroll. I already got international praised and my blog link is running at Eric Margolis, Henry Makow, John Kaminski pages. These are world most read journalists/authors.
    One day i made a mistake and tried to post an article which i never did on any blog so i had no clue what to do.
    I mistakenly up Mr Makow article and i thought it’d go into draft and went for sleep when i awoke next day and came i saw it was published.Actually I wanted to took few words from his article for my article name Sole vs Soul which u can read at my blog..
    Many yokels started laugh at me and did joke on me. For all those jokers and laughters i already got praised of my comments at Mr Margolis page way back in 2005
    3 words he used for praised. He was probably a canadian jew who said about my comments are (i aint bragging) 1. Unique, 2. Insightful, 3.Poetic… This is da answers for all those khatmals and kambals who joke at me..
    In conclusion Mr awab is tarnishing pak image which is also too tarnish and distorted rather than making it in a good shape.. I stop giving comments on his page and i also stop even writing on my own blog because i think there’s nothin to write and there’s already a plethora of free stuff like so many blogs r up n 2 many journalist/authors r online so u can better read em and comment there rather than here.

  • faisal |

    @Nazi

    You are probably not understanding the point here probably. No one is criticizing the efforts of media in highlighting the issue but are more concerned on highlighting the already victimized lady then the crime or criminal.

    JANG and other media groups are playing a good role in this. Despite the fact that they are giving it a place on the front page they are also taking care of the journalistic norms to some extent.

    I agree on Veena Hayat issue or other issues like the famous Dr. Shazia issue. Its also an issue of not pursuing the case by families due to either fear or honor issues.Even in Shazia issue media highlighted the issue not only in print media but on electronic media as well but what happened she had to leave the country due to life threats by army and agencies.But what happened to media?

    They forgot the issue after creating an initial storm.

    Don't you think instead of calling it Veena Hayat case it should have been named as "Irfan Marwat Rape Case" or in case of Dr. Shazia Case it should be named as "Captain Hammad Case" to get better results. This would have pressurized the culprits more instead of the victim.

    The point is focusing on the case and defaming the criminals

    like in this case or the above mentioned cases can give better results. Bringing the victim to limelight will not serve that much except it will put more social pressure on the poor victim especially if you consider the lameness of our society in accepting the fact that its not the victim who lost her honor its actually the criminal who lost his all bit of respect.

    If we see justice is not being served create a storm not only in media but on streets as well (we have learned enough during the recent movements).

    Defame the criminal and the crime to its full extent but protect the victim.

    • Teeth Maestro |

      @Faisal

      WOW – you have so perfectly captured my feelings specially

      Don’t you think instead of calling it Veena Hayat case it should have been named as “Irfan Marwat Rape Case” or in case of Dr. Shazia Case it should be named as “Captain Hammad Case” to get better results. This would have pressurized the culprits more instead of the victim. The point is focusing on the case and defaming the criminals

  • farrahshah |

    Bravo Nazia @22

    —————

    The real issue is the psyche of Men who think every working women is out for them.

    Be it a teacher ,a nurse,a cleaner ,a secretary , airhostess or a house maid.

    Shockingly many men of Asian origin seriously think if a woman is working she believes in no morality.

    ——

    Morality or no morality but no woman wants to get raped .

    ——-

    For such people I strongly believe in harshest of punishment …70 lashes for the bast**d so he lives with the marks and tell this story to his friends .

    —-

    The recent case in Lahore which has just been shelved (maybe)where she was a poor domestic servant ….she was tortured ,abused and her dead body was delivered to the hospital ( Geo News)who will torture and abuse the child like that …she was a domestic servant at a lawyers house who was previously President of Bar Council.

    I mean look at the photographic evidence, look at the dead body who ever did this to her is mentally sick person ,the only place for that person is prison or mental hospital solitary confinement so that rest of the people realise ,looking after domestic servant is their responsibility.

    But all the lawyers were on strike that how come he has been accused of any wrong doing ….this is the Justice system of Pakistan.Maybe he has not done it but his teenage son is in the house,his teenage brother in law is in the house,his stupid Mottee BIWI is in the house ….rich women are worst pshycos

    But this lawyer offered himself to the police and all lawyers stoodup to help him….this is how they mock the law and obstruct Justice and evidence ….

    What right these people have got to call themselves lawyers ?

    Should the practice lisence of such people not be cancelled?

    Where is the justice?

    ——

    I was in lahore when another very famous love marraige case happened.It was a case of love marriage but her family accused her husband of abduction she contested the case.Until the decision she stayed in Darul Amman.it was a very high profile case every second lawyer claimed to have met the girl she was bold and beautiful and despite that she was married and her husband was there as well every lawyer in lahore bar calimed he has slept with her.

    ————-

    What picture is this but I do not blame this to men or boys .

    It is the responsibility of WE the WOMEN to TEACH our sons and husbands and brothers to behave themselves instead of being proud on ,YEAH He is a BOY do WHAtEVER HE MAY is not accepotable?

  • readinglord |

    Rapes are galore in Pkistan's sex-starved society. It is but natural in the 'munaafiq', 'Mullak-zaddah' society where love is a sin; nay, a disease in the hearts of men. They promise youing men 'roti,kapra aur makaan' but nothing to quench their sexual thirst on this Pak-land. This facility is available (?) for them only in the shape of hoor-o-ghilmaan in the heaven. In fact, they consider it a sin even to talk about it. The result is obvious. Women are being raped even in the trains in the ladies' compartment at night. Even the robbers break into houses here drven more by their lust for rape than for any thing else. As it is, this country can now virtually be called 'Rapistan'.

  • alpha |

    readinglord,

    Rapes happen in sex-abundant societies too, rather more.

    Your argument that the rapes happen because of sex-starvation is not valid.

    May be you should enroll in a school and get some *real* education.

    The reason these rapes are rampant in our society is because we don't have a powerful judiciary, who can punish the culprits and the DONS of the culprits.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Failure of Law, System, and non availability of Justice and sound Punishment to the culprits are also the reason and above all Moral Preaching [Genuine] by the Religious Leaders [who are stuck in Politics] can help to create a better society.

  • Nazia |

    Reading lord

    Rape is sexual abnormality and mostly done by people who are use to of extra martial relation since their teenage.if such creatures judge the weakness of unlawful system and powered by gun or illegal money than gang rape is just an erotic adventures for them.

    In our society , lower side of rural areas to educated elite class, people know very well how to get illegal way of satisfying their desires and supply is available to them through maid servants, paid prostitutes or in love affairs where people are actually bound to erotic disorders whom they say fell in love.

    Drunkard man or woman is most vulnerable person for rape atttackand it is also observed in first world countries where even high qualified doctors are found raping their female patients.

    So woman whether living in house or moving out is always threatened to such attacks from hidden beasts and no way she can be relaxed in any environment until her legal partner is with her in difficult times.

    • Nazia |

      Exemplary punishment like vasectomy or complete sterilization of such beast is much better option as compare to 70 lashes.

      Some people might don't take 70 lashes or other punishment seriously but I am removal such manly power with speedy justice can prevent many future crimes like that and we can save many other women who might be wife, maid, or even daughter of such rapists.

  • Amna Zaman |

    This is no journalist LAPSE! These media people intentionally printed this female’s name just to add thrill and crisp to the NEWS!. They do not respect any1’z privacy whatsoever. DAWN should be ashamed of doing this to a female!! I feel sorry for her. The culprits should be HANGED!

  • guY-sir |

    Ladies and Gentlemen: Please bypass 'readinglord' comments. He's a raw-agent and probably a hindu.

    If our country is sex-starve is due to MEDIA. 1st Hollywood 2nd Bollywood which is created to reduce both men and women moral level down or in other words both -woods have been produced to create negative meme.

    2nd Pornography is also rampant on the net and it is another cause of our sex-starvation and rape is more occurred in hindustan than Pakistan so better Rapistan is Hindustan instead of Pakistan.

    I guess few hindus who are masquerading as Muslims are merge in our society who are doin rape and banditry in order to spoil Pak name which was created in da name of Islam so eventually their aim is to spoil Islam itself.

    3rd our govt, [from Ayub 2 Zardari] who are puppets in da hands of those who hold da purse-strings and they are completely unable to give Justice to the masses for so long rather they let distracted us by Entertainment, Sports, Drugs, Porn, and Trivia

    Islam is the answer which emphasis on strong social-system and give jiffy-justice but those who hate God and His humanity will never let Islam accomplished in our lands and will divide and decadent us for the sake of their g0d none but lucifer a liar and amoral whore.

    Islam gives punishment to culprits only in order to make him/her sign for others so they others will deter to commit the same-sin which is for their own goods else Islam is one of the peaceful religion you will ever dream for all other religions are obsolete and heathen in their nature but you can't understand because you're ravishers and transgressors

    Must Read dis article of mine if you haven't yet.
    http://karachi-kool.blogspot.com/2009/08/israel-a

    • readinglord |

      Ladies and gentlemen, please do read Gun'Y-sir to see for yourself that he is a case of Bipolar with Manic Disorder type, where one thinks himself as a redeemer, a savior and some one who possess grandiose personality.

      Though I did not mention the name of Islam or claim any religious or political identity, in my post, he bestows on me the titles of Hindu, Raw agent, and what not.

      He talks about punishments in Islam but he should mind Islam made ample provision for sex satisfaction even for the blind so much so that a blind man could even kill his slave woman whom he used as a wife and who mothered for him two children:

      "Sunan Abu Da'ud

      Book 38, Number 4348:

      Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

      A blind man had a slave-mother ( A slave-woman used as a wife without having the status of a wife) who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

      He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

      He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

      Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.".(The remarks in parenthesis are mine)

      Can you imagine such facilities today in the Pakiland where, after the passage of the Women Harassment Law the country has virtually become a 'Zanaana Republic' where even marriage with a woman is not free from danger.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Real Problem in Pakistan is even more typical and grave: The civil and military bureaucracies in the country are two patronage groups which can assure entry into power circles. This does not mean that everyone aims to gain influence, but becoming part of a patronage network ensures you can survive in this environment. A common citizen has no value. The patronage networks By Ayesha Siddiqa Friday, 12 Feb, 2010
    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/13+ayesha-siddiqa-the-patronage-networks-220-za-01

  • guY-sir |

    @readinglund

    fear of dis Gun’Ya-sir which can blast your bum, 2nd you've pasted whole hadith from somewhere or maybe from here
    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagemen

    r u tryin to be dyin hard muslim while u r hindu? how cum (The remarks in parenthesis are mine)???

    it shows you're liar and i dun talk liars fear my gun which can blast your bum..

  • guY-sir |

    One more thing i forgot to mentioned that i personally do not read “Sunan Abu Da’ud we keep it in last and feel itz most words has been infiltrated…

    Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim these 2 on top and Quran in top them all so i ain't agree what it says rather i feel you're hindu and a liar but lie has no legs it means you're Quadriplegic readinglord so fear my gun which can blast your bum

    • Aamir Mughal |

      readinglord says: February 14, 2010 at 9:13 am “Sunan Abu Da’ud Book 38, Number 4348:

      =========================

      Dear Readinglord and Guysir,

      Detailed background of this Hadith is as under:

      This punishment stated by you above is often quoted by the Orientalists to target Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Islam and another incidents which are often quoted by them eviction/killing of Jews from Medina, and Forced Conversion in Persian Conquest by Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]’s Companions [May Allah be pleased with everyone of them]

      Clarification as per my poor and humble knowledge is as under:

      Medina was Islamic State established by Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and for Blasphemy in Islamic State is Death.

      Massacre of Jews in Medina

      http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/eviction

      Clarification regarding Forced Conversion Persia:

      Some of the important facts that need to be kept in mind while passing any judgments about the expidition of Persia (often termed forced conversion) [by the Companions] and killing and expelling the Jews of the Banu Qurayzah and other tribes from Arabia:

      The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] was the last messenger of Allah. With his status as a Rasul, the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] was in a position to do Itmamu’l-Hujjah [Final Argument] even as an individual. No one after him has that privilege. No individual can do Itmamu’l-Hujjah now because no individual can claim that his propagation has manifested the truth to the extent that no excuse is left to deny it. Indeed, an individual cannot even be absolutely certain of having understood the truth absolutely correctly. He can only be certain that God will reward him for doing his duty as he has ‘been given the light to see it’. Only the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]’s word are final in religion. After the Prophet [PBUH], the responsibility of bearing witness to the truth of Islam was passed on to his Companions [May Allah be pleased with them], who were declared Ummah Wasat (the intermediate people) and the shuhada ‘ala’l-Nas (witnesses over people).

      The Qur’an says:

      وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ

      And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Abraham (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper! [AL-HAJJ (THE PILGRIMAGE) Chapter 22 – Verse 78]

      وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُواْ شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا

      English Translation:

      Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. [AL-BAQARA (THE COW) Chapter 2 Verse 143]

  • readinglord |

    @Amir Mughal

    Thank you for your comment.

    As I know, Sunan Abuda'd is one of the Suha Sittah, 'The Six Authentic Ahaadis'and it is quoted even by Lashkare Tayyabah in their monthly in support of punishment for blasphemy. I don't know of any contradiction or even expression of any doubt about it by any Alim. In fact this is perhaps the main basis for the Law of Blasphemy in our Constitution.

    Here I had quoted only in support of my contention that the main reason for violence in Pakistan is the hyper sex-starvation when Islam had given due attention to this issue by making ample provision for sex-satisfaction by allowing polygamy and sex with slaves.

    GunY-sir is perhaps also suffering from hyper-testosteron which has made him threaten me with violence. I bet, he shall forget the gun and threatening to kill people with it if he is castrated.

    Regards

    • Aamir Mughal |

      readinglord says: February 19, 2010 at 8:38 am Here I had quoted only in support of my contention that the main reason for violence in Pakistan is the hyper sex-starvation when Islam had given due attention to this issue by making ample provision for sex-satisfaction by allowing polygamy and sex with slaves.

      ========================

      I agree.

  • Nazia |

    Ring lord and mughal

    you agreed to this point.

    the main reason for violence in Pakistan is the hyper sex-starvation when Islam had given due attention to this issue by making ample provision for sex-satisfaction by allowing polygamy and sex with slaves.

    Oh my god

    You people never visited IDPs camps or slums of our countries.

    I do it frequently

    here you can easily found through the signs of over population that sex is the most cheapest commodity in Pakistan.

    Try to talk to gynecologist or midwives of any low settled areas.Number of abortions are equal to number of deliveries.

    Get in contact with social workers like Edhi who would tell you how many dead and alive new borns are collected on our dumping areas which are surely signs of free sex.

    Our deprived people have only this facility available in their ranges and they are full utilizing it as and where basis with taking precautionary measures.

    Thanks to mobile phone and its free services at night so people might divert their time and energy in this time passing hobby .

    Prostitutes are available in all cities from 500 to 500,000 rs per night.

    Red light areas, guest houses, dark rooms behind streets all start working after Esha prayers and put off their business after fajar prayer.

    The northern area which is selected for war on terror is very popular for sodomy and homosexual activities and after seeing their huge population growth I think it is better option for them to live like that, other wise each man might married to thrice more for bringing the more hungry souls in underdeveloped areas.

    Kindly think on which points you are agreeing???

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Our agreement was not on Rape and Abuse but legalized option of Releasing the Negative Energy. Sodomy and Homosexuality Charge against the community of Northern Areas is generalization because if Homosexuality and Sodomy is prevalent in Northern Areas then why it is so rampant in the West where other options [goodies] are available.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      And some of this too [he is not Pashtun] : Child abuse scandal rocks Irish republican leader Gerry Adams Irish republican leader Gerry Adams, once seen as a likely future president of Ireland, stands accused of failing to protect children from sexual predators after his niece said she was abused by his brother. It could derail his political career. By Jason Walsh Contributor / December 23, 2009 http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/1223/C

      At the same time, he will have to deal with the fall-out from the revelations that his late father, Gerry Adams Snr, abused some members of his own family, and allegations that his brother, Liam Adams, was involved in child abuse. Rare glimpse into private side of Gerry Adams By Mark Simpson

      BBC Ireland Correspondent Page last updated at 02:19 GMT, Monday, 21 December 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_irela

  • hash |

    I am very sorry for the victim, but i know Sarfraz Hussain he come to Hong Kong in 2003 and get investment visa, here in Hong Kong he did money loundering under the umbrella of mobile phone business and very famous of threathening people and have lot of complain in Hong KOng police, he has committed one murder in Lahore, we is also wanted for this in pakistan, recently he loan 2 Million HKD from HK bank and standared bank from Hong Kong. This is real danger of the society pls check this is real ture. may allah save us from this kind of satan.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    I think you are overlooking my comments in which I hardly linked discussion with rape and abuse like crimes.

    I talked about consensual performance of people depending on availability as cheap pleasures any where any time.

    Our country is no way comes in sex starvation but due to ignorance and no standard in moral characters such acts are accessible to even our lower class majority.

    Such acts come in the circle of abnormality and illegitimacy and when our uneducated groups try to overcome such desperate situations they go for early marriages of their youth resulting population explosion which is one of root cause of our backwardness.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      I have not overlooked your comment but my only point is why should we over-stereotype Pakistani people in particular and Muslims in general. No doubt Muslim Societies need a thorough overhaul in every field particularly Education, Health and Civics. Schools should add Civics as a Compulsory subject in their syllabus. In humble view we should also bring forward the Moral Teachings [mean how to behave with each other and in day to day life] given in our Religion to eradicate rampant Upheaval and Polarization in our society. I am totally with you on bringing changes and reforms [not like the Enlightened Moderation of Musharraf Brand].

      Best Regards.

  • readinglord |

    @Nazia

    I and Mughal had agreed, youy say, on what I had said "Here I had quoted (Sunnan Abudau'd) only in support of my contention that the main reason for violence in Pakistan is the hyper sex-starvation when Islam had given due attention to this issue by making ample provision for sex-satisfaction by allowing polygamy and sex with slaves".

    And then you ask Mughal aghast, "Kindly think on which points you are agreeing???"

    I wonder what made you so shocked?

    My point is that 'SEX' is the 'life-force' and the society, which does not regulate this force properly as they do with the traffic, will die its own death by lewdness due to lack of any control or violence by those who are deprived of sex-satisfaction by religious or legal restrictions. In our today's society even talking about sex, especially in the Mullah-zaddah middle-class, is an anathema. In fact the pedophile Wahabi Mullah's entire morality is confined to sex when the sex, in reality, is a matter of culture and not of morality or religion. Islam,in fact, is the reformed Arab culture, which continued all the pre-Islamic Arab institutions; rituals like Hajj, Namaz, etc., and sexual relation-ships, like polygamous marriage, slave-sex, etc.. The Mullah mindset, however, having made sex a moral and religious issue is now up against the onslaught of Western NGOs whose main thrust is liberation of the woman, the natural sex-server ("Kheti' according to Quran). This is leading to a serious crisis situation: The Quranic culture making woman an obedient sex-sever (Sea verse 34 of Sura Nisa and a lot of Ahadees which support this view) is now apparently up against the Western woman-empowerment culture which is virtually converting the 'Islamic Republic' to 'Zannaana Republic' wherein even a wife can now accuse her husband of rape under 'Woman Harassment Law'. As it is the Quranic sex-culture has has been set upside-down in this 'Islamic Republic': Horrible!

  • Nazia |

    Ring leader

    nothing made me shocked.

    which side your get this impression?

    You people are agreeing on that point which is not actually found in our society.

    Our lower and higher classes are sex abundant societies.

    Lower class is always indulged in abnormal and illegitimate sex lives as all time and easy available recreations.

    The resultant comes int he form of over population, rise in abortions and heinous ex crimes mostly found in back ward areas.

    here the reasons behind all such immoral acts are usually.

    lack of economic resources.

    lack of healthy recreation .

    surfeit of cheap modes of enjoyment without any moral and legal checks like prone literature, movies , exposures of young ones to mature scenes due to unavailability of privacy for normal couples.

    deficiency of normal healthy family life due to unmatched marriages, financial burdens and availability of illegitimate partners for cheap enjoyment.

    Prostitution is easy way to earn money wihtout moving any where and only need of women's will to opt like that for normal earning

    You can easily check the confirmation of above realites while moving any slums of Pakistan where our hugh population is concentrating more than our empirical thoughts.

    Now come to upper class they are again have same values as we found in our lower levels but reason are contrary to this.

    They have surplus of resources and they feel proud to first throw it on woman and wine enjoyment first.The families who got wealth through easy ways, are the first who are put in category of sex abundant life styles and if normal and healthy minded persons enter in their playing pranks activity, he/she can with stand for few hours.

    Oh sure they also lack in normal family behaviour as their all life and its priorities encircles by money grabbing motives only.Sometimes they use extreme religious blanketing to cover their sex crimes in public , might be getting votes or position in state mattters.

    So instead of your opinion that we are sex starvation society and blindly followers of Wahhabi religious fanaticism, we can summarize our problem in very easy way.

    by promoting economic facilities and healthy activities among your deprived class .

    People should be guided to enforce family lives instead of devoting their lives for any man made religious and national causes.

    Go any where in the world from backward to modern world, the only relation which survive with a person from extreme struggle till his/her death is support and affection of his healthy family life.

    E.g do you think that Clinton belong to any sex starvation society where he couldnt control his emotion after seeing monica lewnisky while sitting in his office.

    Feel the power of good family life that his big heart wife mended his character hole through power of good family life.I am sure she had symbolically ignored his infidelity to keep the honor of her country and her precious family life.Contrary to this Diana couldnt overcome her perverted diversions and same Charles didnt help her so results come in lesson learning end for all. a broken family.

    So sexual sickness is found any where any time, we should go for factors that can minimize its negatives aftereffects.

  • Irfan |

    Well we were not that vocal about what happened to her! just dont mention it again its indecent. Why shouldnt it be repeated again & again. Hide it under the carpet.

  • Azher |

    she is british not pakistani…people plz dont be fool…she is worst den worse….s mizari shud have told her that we have strted treated foriegners who try to act like JACKAS- in a real way now and she also is a bloody forgiegner.She used to work for bbc not inthe main straam but she did though she struggled and didnt have a good chances there…so y not trying daddy country…wt they call dem in uk …OUR BACKYARD..and she was in us embassy parties with guess who CIA…..hey ppl her name shud have been put there with a question mark…..joke but i know very well tese british bron desi gurls r worse guy….dey will sleep with satan to get wt dey want…..dey r complete waste of time witht the exception of very few…think y most british men try get wife frm back home?

    Also she talks abt jounalism…wtf…..the whole world know wt happen at wall street…she talk abt ethics in media…wth….. and BBC and any other western media…I live here for the last 10 yrs..went to uni ..now working…long story short…they peace and love they keep in their country is fr there but wht they do out of their countries is totallly oppositye and the public know and standsby all their shit fully…we gotta wake up and stand up….no need to fight…just tell them dat we can talk….just like s mazare did,….How come she didnt rip her open when she was protetcting the gooora and walla street…..i wud have told the bit-ch straight on here face dat any one viloate law of my country will be kicked out and ys we will put that big ? b oz dats wt u do wit us inj jur media…wish we do more den dat but 1st gotaaa stopn eating there dollars….just a thought…pak zinabad…

    guy forgiv me for spelling…i am rushing at wrk…

  • Junaid Khan |

    DAWN = BIggest house Negro COlonial minded Scum period, the whole paper is a disease, and NO HOUSE NEGRO IS NOT A racist word, to those dumb asses who think it is. Dawn is a disease, and poisen, and should be legally removed from Pakistan are altered beyond recongnition.