The Express Tribune, partnered with The International Herald Tribune which is the global arm of The New York Times, is slated to finally make its debut today morning, while the online version has just been released to the public, the initial launch is limited to Karachi and many households will be treated with a fresh new English paper on their morning tables. Personally I do vividly recall the launch of ‘The News’ in the 80’s when it came hot off the press in a spanking, then, jaw dropping glossy sheets across the board, but unfortunately those fun frolicking days didn’t last long. The Lakhani group has been busy on this project for a good many month, under the watchful eye of Bilal Lakhani we await to see if it does indeed rustle the feathers of the existing competition and has the umpf to last in the long run.
The paper kicks of its first print with op-eds from Ayesha Siddiqa, Sami Shah, Quatrina Hosain and Osman Samiuddin with news that Zahoor’s cratoon-imagery is too be featured amongst its pages. On a personal note, I am also expected to send the paper a weekly column, so lets see how this papers fares up against the competition, it will have run for its money, but good quality and high standards will keep a stead stream of readers latched onto its print edition.
I must admit that at first glance the online version of the paper http://tribune.com.pk is quite pleasing to the eye, compared to the confused mysticism found on Dawn.com and archaic The News website, I find this site easier to navigate, for which I can be sure credit must go out to Aleem Bawany whom I know is definitely a part of the core online initiative. Here’s to The Express Tribune for a long and fulfilling life in this journalistic world
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182 responses to “The Express Tribune goes Online & in Print”
A1
This is not easiest way that I am blaming mughal for something which I know he would never admit.
You might don't know but my nature is like that too and on the matter of self respect I never compromised in my life.
But here people around me blame that as I have backups so opt for quitting the scene of wrong doings around me instead of surviving in harsh environment.
With the passage of time I realized that they are quite right as when you leave the corrupt system it would give way to more corrupt characters and sooner this quality bring them main stream of decision making.
You, me and mughal know it well that it produces catastrophe effects not in same department but in society too when shaukat aziz or tareen like people are posed as heroes instead of placing them in zero scale of patriotism.
Dear Ms. Nazia,
How would you feel when you see [that too when you have had advised them to not to appoint him/her] someone in NAB IN 1999/2000 [OF GENERAL AMJAD THE SO-CALLED AYATULLAH SADEG KHALKHALI] as a Persecutor General who had been a Key Defence Lawyer for Salman and Usman Farooqui and Co.
Believe me if you know what I know, you would puke.
Mughal
I cant understand the rating of journalist as you described above .Can you elaborate it for my understanding.
klausar responded this article in his this column
Sirf 6 gaz zameen,
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2009-daily/26-07-2…
You have brought such an evidence which once musharf and his team brought for CJP after thorough investigations and all nation laughed on them.
In our country favoring the son to some high level job is quite routine job and even in any multinational companies employee father always tries to settle his son in good places through his contact.
One plot is never considered in any kind of corruption scam and regular earners can buy it.
Patrol chits of executives are filled by drivers and audit team of institute cross check it and then report is send to higher authority.
Now about some description plot area of rauf
You know the commercial value or development standard of G14.
It is one of low settled area near Peshawar road side of Islamabad and no network of road structure is still constructed here.
Any how if somebody living in lands of man eaters and trying to fulfill his national duty by crossing few moral standard, even then he/she should be praised for their little acts to encourage the path of righteous.
Nazia read through the link posted by Mughal. What a bunch of sellouts these people are.
Not a single word in CJ's Charge Sheet was wrong and CJ is notorious for even worse.
I agree. The charges against Iftikhar Chaudhry were pretty valid. No one could deny that he had used influence to get favors for his son.
The problem was Musharraf was not removing him for these reasons. He was just using them. The real reason was that Musharraf thought Chaudhary could possibly create hurdles in his reelection.
And Chaudhary knew that pretty well. He knew he would have the support of both the PML-N & PPP, both parties kept out of power for close to a decade. And that was what he needed. Without the support of the political parties specially PML-N, he would have long been forgotten by now.
He just capitalized on this. He was cunning enough to anticipate what Musharraf might try & do & he was ready with his response. In much the same way Musharraf had been when Nawaz Sharif sacked him.
A1
My latest response@53 is based on his provided link.
Humaray bhee tottay phootay link parh liya karian.
You know very well that I am also expert of digging people from their inner core so dont expect I overlook people expenditures and their earnings while analyzing their national spirit.
Al says:- April 17, 2010 at 1:04 am – He just capitalized on this. He was cunning enough to anticipate what Musharraf might try & do & he was ready with his response. In much the same way Musharraf had been when Nawaz Sharif sacked him.
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Dear Al,
How true and correct to the hilt you are. There was one person who was not seen but he and others were with CJ in all this: [I still fail to understand that when CJ was sacked in March 2007, he and the press said the CJ is under house arrest and held incommunicado whereas the very next day Air Marshal [R] Asgher Khan "successfully" met him and now read what CJ had submitted in the court and also read as to how Ansar Abbasi is trying to save Kiyani. [read every word of it]: Establishment VS Judiciary & Demented Pakistani Media. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/01/establis…
A one and mughal
If he was so crook and corrupt why he didnt think of capitalizing on Musharraf and army instead of runaways leaders like sharif.
Musharraf could have bestowed him more than his greed.
He was specialist of spending national assets to pocket of crook people.
I think you have forgotten his one and half year tenure in which he could have earned in big deals through govt cases but he preferred to maintain his rule of law .
If these charges were accurate and any traces of his contacts with any political group would have been traced by agencies who entered to core of all mud slinging areas to defame him then he was put into jail wihtout giving him chance of bailout.
When such inquiry was started I was by chance had company of few Q leagues parliamentarian and shocked to hear that agencies have briefed them to bring any daring lady from their circles who can sign a charge sheet of sexual harassment by CJP during case hearing.Two names were given to them on is kashmala tariq and other is sumaira malik.
Kahmala reversed back this offer but sumiara showed willingness but his uncle sardar farooq khan leghari interfered in this signed charge sheet.
So you see I had little links in this mud game that forced me to support him on streets of Pakistan.
I can assure you that still army is a giant mafia in Pakistan controlling our all ventures and political people.
At that time Musharraf was ruling the country like free gini of bottle.He made people around him billionaire or billionaires tripped their assets and indirectly crippled state economy under his umbrella of friendship and you see that still not a single general , secretary or political cartoon faced the accountability trials as his legends in form of kyanis and majeeds are supporting this mafia.
You have shon me very low profile pictures of buying selling deals in lawyers and judges community.
I have seen some presetn their wives to get top position in judicary.
Latif khosa a icon of law, 2nd wife took divirce from him on same charges,
My feudal lord by tahmeena durrani (from pukhtton background)is spilling the beauty of gaining top position in our literate class.
I know people roaming here and there for getting fine whiskey to please judges and inquiry officers.
You know when our foreign national relatives come back, to Pakistan some people of our family in police,army and judiciary always demand them two bottles of fine wines(legally allowed to foreign passport holders).
And if demand of more bottles is requisite then all things are legally arranged in airport vicinity too under phone calls of these high officials.
I know one judge who accepted Musharraf emergency as his movie with prostitutes were in record of intelligence people .In this techniques Pakistani intelligence people are number one to chase the character weaknesses like that.After this trap , these officials are all time abide by what these agencies what they demand from them.
So please don't push my button as I am witnessing same level of corruption which you have seen as part of your job.
So please don’t push my button as I am witnessing same level of corruption which you have seen as part of your job.
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I am all ears. And this whole Free Judiciary Drama was just a game to ease Musharraf out.
You in one of your post have mentioned Late. Hammad Raza! Why there is no Itch of Qucik Justice in Raza's case???
Nazia says: – April 18, 2010 at 7:55 pm – A one and mughal
At that time Musharraf was ruling the country like free gini of bottle.He made people around him billionaire or billionaires tripped their assets – I have seen some presetn their wives to get top position in judicary. Latif khosa a icon of law, 2nd wife took divirce from him on same charges,
I know one judge who accepted Musharraf emergency as his movie with prostitutes were in record of intelligence people .
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The incumbent CJ is not so angel in all this because he shared the responsibility to share a bench with Dogar under Musharraf. [Just Old Newspapers] Judicial Amnesia & Martial Law Duties. As per a report by International Crisis Group "REFORMING THE JUDICIARY IN PAKISTAN" dated 16 October 2008:
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/judicial…
Mugahl
No one is angel among them.
Once you were part of this system and had comfortable environment of working but you left all for your personal reasons.Is it not betrayal from your oath and running away from national duty which you were once awarded in this unemployed country.
You know much better than me what kind of people are taken judges from the herd of lawyers.Weak , submissive, corrupt personalities are best choice of govt to pick people as judge so what would you accept from them.
Musahrf oust can be done through miltiary coupe than would keep one miltiary control on state but empowerment of civil groups like that has created a strange stir in our typical miltiary harassed society.
If Musharraf oust was the only target behind all such movement by US then his restoration as CJP can be discarded which had been possible after oust of Musharraf.
Whatever you say but look our survival as a nation is not placed in the hands of miltiary any more.We have to strengthen our others institutes too to meddle in military affairs.This is the same army which is supporting zardari and CO and creating more anarchy in our already collapsed political system.
What ever you say but I can assure you that at this moment with all errors and weakness it is only our judiciary that is standing for public welfare issues.Neither army nor political goons have a minor interests in people's misery but all are looking for short cut of corruption for filling their pockets.
So lets have some courage to praise the officials taking stand for only people.They are badly in need people's support as no mafia group in govt level is allowing them to execute their orders toward public interests.
You didnt answer me that as a corrupt judge why ch Iftikahr didn't bother to cash from miltiary pocket who is still all in all in Pakistan s' matters.If then could have fill the big stomach of malauna fazalullaha and his seven brothers with miltiary lands then why they couldnt come to standard of greed of Ch Iftikhar.
Is it not betrayal from your oath and running away from national duty which you were once awarded in this unemployed country.
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Country's National Interests, Honour, Ideology and National Duty can take a hike as I told you above when your own Personal Honour is at stake.
You didnt answer me that as a corrupt judge why ch Iftikahr didn’t bother to cash from miltiary pocket who is still all in all in Pakistan s’ matters.If then could have fill the big stomach of malauna fazalullaha and his seven brothers with miltiary lands then why they couldnt come to standard of greed of Ch Iftikhar.
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Why do forget that CJ basically attained a lot from 2000 to 2007 [March to be precise]. I wonder how an Incommunicado CJ was issuing statement often published in The New York Times/Washington Post "during his days in Bastille"
Mughal
I am living in land of shit just like you and dont worry I will not vomit after knowing the reality.
You are diverting the discussion.
I am not praising any body but agreeing that people take uturns in their life and goals .
I know very closely one character of this case and he was capt harron of Pakistan steel mill who become victim of cooperating with zardari and co at that moment.He committed suicide in one hearing in court.
You are not even near.
Mughal
You are grumbling
Its Shaukat Tareen and I am not telling you fairy tales , you can check the newspapers and Court Record.
I am also telling you to take practical approach.
I have met many people who preferred to take golden shake hand, some fought back to gain their position and some who are capable, took no time to join other Enterprise.
One termination, one job is not end of world and one has to ready for all kind of contingency while opting for challenging jobs.
Those people who join govt jobs are mostly through links,bribes and get promotions on same basis,So they have no capability to face ups and downs of job.
You are again angry on me.
Are you living in Pakistan or West? Do you know the Saturation in Employment in Pakistan???? Jobs are not available in market like two bit bubble gums.
I am living in Pakistan and belong to purest tax community of Pakistan.
There is saturation in Paksitan just like west and get the data like Pakistan developed countries have adopted same policy of firing due to so called fake slum.
In last 5 years I think termination rate is highest among 1st world countries
By the way you are talking about an era when it was start of rise of banks network in all the world and it continued till the last days of sahukat aziz.
We in our hollow culture is used to of shoshaw(artificial glamorous through our jobs, living setup and expenditures).So we actually lose heart on lost of our fake set up and it makes us heart attack .
Inflexibility and weak nature of adaptability is basic reason of fractures in our lives.We cant bear to live below our superficial styles and we pay back our incompetence and weak resistance in form of health loss.
You again attack on me
Have you EVER faced a situation when someone closer and loved one has lost his/her life due to the circumstances I mentioned above. Have some heart and if you cannot sympathize then at least don’t pass judgment on somebody’s misery.
Yes directly and indirectly many times.
We have simple theory learn from our elders that save in good times for coming bad times and be ready for worst circumstances in coming days.
yes I have seen some of my close people faced trauma after loosing jobs and main reasons have already been discussed in above lines.
Yes some are genuine too then here comes the attitude of other family members come that how they support their all time financial supporters in difficult time.I have seen such family members who totally divert their setup style and opt for low standard income ways to help him of her to come out of restrain .
I have seen many executives and lower employees who are fired from their services and they took little or longer time to fightback to prove their credibility in other. companies and ventures.
These people are my real ideals who know how to stand against the unseen tide.
Thanks for invitation as I am not consider good guest due to my chatter box like nature in decent and literary company so for your safety I cant take risk of your continous headache in coming days.
@Nazia: I agree that he has given some good judgments like stopping the steel mills privatization & hounding the government on the missing persons cases. BUT Iftikhar Chaudhary is not an angel as he was being portrayed during the entire movement.
Please don't forget the history.
In his 2000 judgment in favor of the Musharraf coup, Chaudhary not only stated that the coup was essential for Pakistan's survival but he also stated that it was the correct step from an Islamic point of view as well.
Now Islam hasn't changed in 1400 years but Mr. Chaudhary's Islam definitely changed from 2000 to 2007 when he suddenly discovered democracy.
Iftikhar Chaudhary did use his position to get favors & all of these are pretty well known. But i should point out all of these benefits he got out of his position were nothing compared to the corruption of our political & military leaders. And like i said Musharraf was not removing him for these reasons at all.
As far as the intelligence agencies are concerned no one is denying what they do & the methods that they use.
Dear AI,
Much publicized "Honest and Upright Decision on Pak Steel's Privatization" has much to do with Opponent Party's bidding and interest. Wait and you will the real truth behind this so-called "Clean as a Whistle Decision":)
Why you are trying to create suspense on steel mill Issue?
if you know it then why you are afraid of telling about the background of that dark or ambiguous decision in your observation.
Nazia says: – April 19, 2010 at 1:28 pm – Why you are trying to create suspense on steel mill Issue? if you know it then why you are afraid of telling about the background of that dark or ambiguous decision in your observation.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Those who put their picture on public domain are not afraid of anything. Have you ever paid attention to General [R] Qayyum's interest against Pak Steel's Privatization to a particular group.??? Now go an ponder on what I have written.
Aone
You ignore my question that in this country where militarism has strong network why a corrupt judge would trust on runaway political leaders instead of generals who were ready to give him all as per his demand.
You know SC is still big hurdle of saving thousands of trees, public parks , green areas and wrong deals from the jaws of mafias ruling the country.
can you not think that these cartels give him all of his choice in few hours.
Even miltiary mafia can fill his mouth more than his expectation.
I never say he didn't favor his son but if I am not wrong his son was married to daughter of some general so how would you accept that our govt officials would not be more active and generous to please a son of judge and son inlaw of a general.You know very well that our corrupt officials always pick wives, siblings and kids to get hold of sentiments of executives.
My point matches with you that his level of corruption which was mentioned in his charge sheet was in very lower side what is happening in miltiary and political circles where not less than billions corruption they cant think of it.
This is not ch iftikahr which took u turn but it is our culture and we are not in mood of changing this culture of status quo.
Have you seen that in officials dinners and marriage ceremonies people surround the most corrupt but influential characters for buttery remarks. Nobody looks to seat of honest characters.That public attitude forces people to diverge form their goals and our system under corrupt management favors such conditions.
Ch iftikahr religion could have been changed after his retirement which we commonly see in our bureaucrats, army officers and political people that in end of job and ages they start giving us lectures of morality and principles after passing all their lives defying national interests for personal gains.
So instead of mudslinging give us solid proof of corruption of SC judges and lawyers who led this long march.
Mughal
Hammad raza (late) family has a very humble background and he was self made person who had no solid background to counter the war of mafias.His mother recently died and in her death bed he kept photo of his honest son who was surely become victim of terrorism of Pakistani agencies.
His young widow is securing her three sons as she cannot bear more loses in her lonely life.
You heard about the story of journalist of hayat ullah .First he was killed and when his wife had tried to communicate with other journalists, she was killed with kids.
So in this country rebellious people without backups have fate like that.
In this country senior army officers like gen alvi, gen being and some brigadiers were killed like stray dogs so who bothers about middle class person like Hammad raza.
Any how through some link from lahore source I come to know that his family including his old father and young widow are fully avoiding court procedures including recognizing the real culprits.
You know better than me that why people feel so insecure like that.
Mughal
you said
Country’s National Interests, Honour, Ideology and National Duty can take a hike as I told you above when your own Personal Honour is at stake.
Yes everybody can consider its own personal honor and interests above than national interests and that is what I am trying to convince you that that such emotional decisions make one's life zigzag any time .
You must consider others weaknesses too while doing their national duty.
Then others should not lecture particularly using Quran and Sunnah.
Mughal
you are depending on Washington post and new-york time like paper??
Why do forget that CJ basically attained a lot from 2000 to 2007 [March to be precise]. I wonder how an Incommunicado CJ was issuing statement often published in The New York Times/Washington Post “during his days in Bastille”
Why you and me are dependent on such US based papers
You were on job these days or just left your seat.
You would have still strong links with your IB network then why you not disclose his high level deals with hidden powers that is still unseen from eyes of public who are supporting his weak stances too.
Dear Ms. Nazia,
I don't have any links with IB now but I can tell you one thing with absolute authority that 12 Oct 1999 Military Coup [Treason wherein Judiciary took active part and incumbent CJ was part of that bench] was not "Accidental" and it was executed through well though out plan.
Mughal
I never ever dare to challenge any your working experiece but you accept too much from weak people who are on govt positions.
You say
I can tell you one thing with absolute authority that 12 Oct 1999 Military Coup [Treason wherein Judiciary took active part and incumbent CJ was part of that bench] was not “Accidental” and it was executed through well though out plan.
now I am summarizing what you are trying to tell us as whole
-Musharraf plus judiciary ousted sharif govt in 1999
then you say
-Judiciary under CJP plus sharif like politicians turned the table of Musharraf in 2007.
so common factor is judiciary..
have you felt that in 8 years of tenure how judiciary moved its favors to political goons from helms of GHQ.
Look mughal if I am corrupt person by default I would never think of going against miltiary as there are still least chances in future that miltiary will give up its power to rule the civilians.
You didnt show me any huge kind of corruption deals in this dual but reversible process of change over.
Even you couldnt give us a single proof that all happened through hidden forces.
-Judiciary under CJP plus sharif like politicians turned the table of Musharraf in 2007.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Don't put words in my mouth because I didn't "plus" Nawaz Sharif:))) with the Judiciary. Table on Musharraf was turned by Kayani plus Judiciary and they used "Lawyers, Politicians and Media" as a side kicks.
You didnt show me any huge kind of corruption deals in this dual but reversible process of change over. Even you couldnt give us a single proof that all happened through hidden forces.
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Go to the nearest Library and read the national dailies like Dawn, The News International, Jang, Express and Monthly Herald and Newsline from 12 Oct 1999 to 911 and you may find many Juicy Details.
Mughal
When gen quyum had taken the charge of steel mill I was there in steel mill area.I know how he favored his men through plots under steel mill vicinity and wrong favors in jobs and tenders.
I heard glimpses of his under ground colourful life too.
I have seen how he misused resources of steel mill for his family and friends.
But it doesn't matter for me as all did here same way of management.
The important thing is that strong rule of shaukat aziz and Musharraf couldnt withstand one decision of SC and they had no courage of even challenging SC as all case was presetned on wrong calculation.
The lawyers who are representing from govt side were pirzadas, waseem sajjad who got millions of rupees from govt so why shoaukat aziz didnt think of investing on Ch iftikhar instead of white elephants like lawyers.
Just one question as to why General [R] Qayyum was so jittery about Pakistan Steel Mills [whose Privatization deal had badly hit another party (bidder) and that party was friend of General Qayyum. Above all what happened in Pakistan Ordinance Factory Wah under this snow white clean Qayyum who was itching for exposing Rigged Pak Steel Deal and by the way he had replaced Col. Afzal [now dead and a former colleague of Musharraf and there was an FIR of Murder Registered against Afzal], why didn't Qayyum initiated any action against Afzal.
Nazia says:- April 19, 2010 at 8:54 pm – Mughal Kindly correct you record on steel mill case and gen quyyum.
Both col afzal and gen quyyum got top seats on the basis of close ties with Musharf in relevant industries.However col afzal had served this served steel mill for longer period so he was elevated on top seat by superseding many senior officers of PSM. Col Afzal only target was to get rid of excess staff and for this purpose he mostly targeted those people who have no family links with army and bureaucracy and given shake hand to all such burdens of steel mill which were working there without any productivity. Gen quyum enjoyed steel mill culture when it had started showing profit and it was all due to col afzal’s effort so how could he pursue for such FIR in which accused died.
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What I know about Steel Mill you are not even near in your above text. You are wrong regarding Afzal and go and check the Court Record and read the FIRs registered against Afzal and his cronies. You are talking about productivity [is our army productive]. By the way in one reply you raise finger on Army and in the very next you defend the army. On whose side you are???
Mughal
I got you at least here.
Col afzal died due to hear attack during his job.
Before his sudden heart attack a month ago he banned the purchase the life saving special injection from steel mill hospital which should be instantly given to heart attack patient.So he got his attack in his office and when doctors were arranging for this injection from nearby he died.
People distributed sweets after his death.
The Musharraf appointed gen quyyum after his death.
Like PSM, POF has very bad repute of generals who run this industry like gen durrani, gen qazi and then quyuuum.So all people know the repute of these people.
Because of their extreme corruption I always say that RDX used in local blast were usually come out of this industry to kill its own people.
So mughal cactus plant cant give you apples and we people expect things like that.
I am least bothered about the cause of death what I am saying that Musharraf's batch mate Colonel Afzal was involved in a Murder within the Steel Mill and FIR is still pending.
Mughal
Kindly correct you record on steel mill case and gen quyyum.
Both col afzal and gen quyyum got top seats on the basis of close ties with Musharf in relevant industries.However col afzal had served this served steel mill for longer period so he was elevated on top seat by superseding many senior officers of PSM.
Col Afzal only target was to get rid of excess staff and for this purpose he mostly targeted those people who have no family links with army and bureaucracy and given shake hand to all such burdens of steel mill which were working there without any productivity.
Gen quyum enjoyed steel mill culture when it had started showing profit and it was all due to col afzal's effort so how could he pursue for such FIR in which accused died .
Like gen quyum , musarf deputed his many cronies to other organization like gen amjad(NAB and KESC) Gen munir hafeez(NAB and FFC) gen gulzar(FPSC), GEN MEHMMOOD(Fauji foundation, gen shahid in NHA SINDH ETC
All generals showed same trends in their tenure that they all time favored their friends and family people and goT their share too.All have broken the record of previous corruption of their descendants.
So if gen quyum did so then what was surprise but he was fired from his post as he forgotten to give share to PM or president in his deals.
None of other rebellious generals challenged acts of Musharraf but quyyum was successful as Govt had very weak stance on this case or might be overconfident in the presence of heavy weight group of lawyers.
Nazia says:- April 19, 2010 at 8:54 pm – Mughal Kindly correct you record on steel mill case and gen quyyum. Col Afzal only target was to get rid of excess staff and for this purpose he mostly targeted those people who have no family links with army and bureaucracy and given shake hand to all such burdens of steel mill which were working there without any productivity. Gen quyum enjoyed steel mill culture when it had started showing profit and it was all due to col afzal’s effort so how could he pursue for such FIR in which accused died.
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Do you mean to say that if a Murderer [as per Islam Life of a Muslim is more sacred than Ka'aba] somehow makes profit for the state therefore his crime that too a murder will be forgiven. What a logic!
Nazia says: – April 19, 2010 at 8:54 pm – Mughal – Kindly correct you record on steel mill case and gen quyyum.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
You should correct your facts regarding Steel Mill [IB had a Cover Office in Pakistan Steel since the day PSM started Operation] and that IB Office was closed in 1991 [courtesy Lt. General [R] Sabih Qamar uz Zaman [a Catamite and a close friend of Aslam Beg and Jahangir Karamat and FIRs are still pending against him and on paper he is an absconder]
Only genuine and gentleman Chairman of Pak Steel was a Civilian and his name was Haq Nawaz Akhter.
Mughal
your" bone collector" like techniques are not matching with the real events.
You think that first kiyani made charge sheet against CJP for firing him and provoked both musharf and CJP to stand against each other.
In this game all senior retired judges, lawyer leaders like atizaz, kurd, rasheeed rizvi and civil groups etc were prepared by ISI to run this movement smartly by fooling the large masses and media.
During this mess Musharraf was so innocent that he declared Kiyani his successor.
What kind of move Kiyani and CO made in which they mostly targeted army and its performance.
Throughout in this movement one thing that was common in all meeting and it was rise of anti miltiary sentiment from masses.
If we believe on your theory than no doubt kiyani was the first general who put first nail in the coffin of militarization in Paksitan by increasing the moral status of judiciary among common people.
The above is more easier than producing the "Fake Flogging Video" remember Mehran Bank??? DE-militarization is need of the hour and it won't be by Judiciary but through International Political Scenario. By the way did you hear anything from Judiciary on Extension of Kiyani and Meena Bazar of Promotion within the army??? Did you hear anything on Missing Person Case???
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Nazia says: – April 19, 2010 at 1:44 pm – You would have still strong links with your IB network then why you not disclose his high level deals with hidden powers that is still unseen from eyes of public who are supporting his weak stances too.
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You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to prove that, only two clues.
1 – Visit to the USA [Harvard Law] !!! Was CJ there to teach them Quran or Sunnah.
2 – Richard Holbrook's visited his chamber in Islamabad [do you know the background of Holbrook] – USA is a party in Missing Persons Case and "CJ" is meeting with a backbone of US Administration in this region.
Who was in that meeting of Musharraf-CJ in March 2007 with a Loaded file on CJ: Establishment VS Judiciary & Demented Pakistani Media. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/01/establis…
So mughal you are collecting evidences that now US is planning to control our masses through judiciary and fixing some lawyers leaders.
CJP of Paksitan is making visits to many international institutes so this way he is agent of west in our land.I hope you have forgotten his one act when he torn off his visa papers while sitting in USA embassy Islamabad Here he had to wait for hours and hours for his interview for normal visa process.He was invited there to attend some seminar.After that he wrote an aggressive letter to that institute and ambassador of USA and in return he received apology from all of them.
Look mughal we cant penetrate in heart of people but I can assure you that any official who has under ground links with US and army cant be confined in house arrest like situation as he did or fired from the seat as Musharraf and army did to him and other judges.
That is why you see that gen gul, gen mehmmod,gen babar, ghulum Ishaq khan , kamal shah,brig billa, brig ijaz and even musahrf are remain in safe hands what ever they confessed or accepted deadly blunders in their tenures.So lets wait for coming days and see how your US manipulated judiciary will take u turn as per your predictions.
I am here too watch them closely.
I have seen such dramas like tearing down letters and then suddenly you are in USA. Espionage is a very nasty business and one can go to any extent [Incommunicado CJ and his meeting with Asghar Khan:))))]
Mughal
Steel mill existence is miracle in our system.Here no system of governance exists neither on technical side nor on management side.Whoever comes here to run it affairs he only shared illegal ways to fill his pocket.
I am simply telling you that gen quyum had joined PSM by the consent of Musharraf so how he pursued such FIRs against a dead man who was course mate of Musharraf and got this chairmanship just because of him.
Logic and religious laws are put on systematic and organized system and steel mill is an example of extreme disorderliness. This entropy like state shows ,its strong basic structure given to them through Russian technology and through vision of Bhutto policy that this industry with height of corruption record is still contributing in country civil structure.
Col afazal was not targeted only through specific mafia groups of PSM just because of his strict job shedding polciy but he faced worst kind of character assassination in this period.His friendship with an employee naureen was highly scandalized whom he made principle of one of school of PSM.Even his pictures were distributed in that vicinity to put him under pressure as much as possible.
In his tenure 15 people were burnt alive after failure of equipments in main furnaces and he also faced these charges too but he was saved from all curses as Musharraf was in his back.
I am no way favoring any body nor I think of supporting any corrupt and idle group who have destroyed one of finest industry of Pakistan.
I am just sharing you what I saw there in this tenure.
I am talking about a Murder committed by Colonel Afzal and that is unforgivable. Haq Nawaz Akhter managed PSM successfully without any Scandal and when Generals [Khurpas] started arriving in PSM they turn PSM into a big brothel for earning quick bucks particularly General Shujat Hussain Bukhari, Sabih Qamar Zaman, Usman Farooqui [brother of Salman Farooqui who was business partner of 4 sitting Generals] , and Sajjad Hussain [brother in Law of Corps Commander Karachi Muzzaffar Hussain Usmani, Son-in-Law of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission's I H Usmani]
Col Afzal only target was to get rid of excess staff and for this purpose he mostly targeted those people who have no family links with army and bureaucracy and given shake hand to all such burdens of steel mill which were working there without any productivity. Gen quyum enjoyed steel mill culture when it had started showing profit and it was all due to col afzal’s effort so how could he pursue for such FIR in which accused died.
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Col afazal was not targeted only through specific mafia groups of PSM just because of his strict job shedding polciy but he faced worst kind of character assassination in this period.His friendship with an employee naureen was highly scandalized whom he made principle of one of school of PSM.Even his pictures were distributed in that vicinity to put him under pressure as much as possible. In his tenure 15 people were burnt alive after failure of equipments in main furnaces and he also faced these charges too but he was saved from all curses as Musharraf was in his back. I am no way favoring any body nor I think of supporting any corrupt and idle group who have destroyed one of finest industry of Pakistan.
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Did Pakistan Army do anything good for Pakistan and it's people in it's capacity of Defenders of the country so that
their services are often "acquired" in Civilian Domain where they have played havoc like they played around the borders????
That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
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Why Judiciary was sleeping during all this REFERENCE: No ID no worry, get loans and get them written off also By Rauf Klasra Saturday, December 05, 2009 http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?I…
Mughal
your revelation about under cover office of IB in PSM office has made me laugh.it means in destroying this precious industry and its basic infrastructure IB also contributed fully its share.
Here existence of ghost emplyoees, stealing of pellets and raw iron, extreme embezzlement in part time wages, ware house theft in all levels, electric theft, land frauds use of its heavy machinery toward private business and illegal and surplus hiring ,all were being mointered by IB and its officals who might be your close friends.
What can I comment further on it that all got their share from this crippled industry.
If I am not worng then gen qamar was shot in his backbone during riot in PSM and he passed his rest of life as handicapped person.After him federal govt selcted FK bindyal who ran away in three months from its chairmanship after showing medcial reason.He died after 20 years of his health excuse.
I think my comment which you are repeating many times hit you like a bullet.
I dont know that your sensitivity level is very critical so I should apologize you that if something hit you due to my swift and careless way of talking but what I wrote I witnessed all there.
Now you are making me laugh because it wasn't General Qamar who was shot but a labour leader who was shot in the back i.e. Ghulam Murtaza and he was crippled for life. Check before you write.
I think my comment which you are repeating many times hit you like a bullet. I dont know that your sensitivity level is very critical so I should apologize you that if something hit you due to my swift and careless way of talking but what I wrote I witnessed all there.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
I am shock proof but you must recheck your facts before writing a comment.
I think my comment which you are repeating many times hit you like a bullet. I dont know that your sensitivity level is very critical so I should apologize you that if something hit you due to my swift and careless way of talking but what I wrote I witnessed all there.
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February 2001 NAB was interrogating 358 bureaucrats
The National Accountability Bureau is interrogating 358 bureaucrats including Pakistan’s sitting ambassador to the United States, and dozens of senior serving and retired officers , for their alleged involvement in corrupt practices or misuse of power.
Maliha Lodhi, Pakistan’s Ambassador to United States, Mohammad Zafarullah Khan, ex secretary Water and Power; A.R.Najmi, Registrar Federal Shariat Court; Ms Surosh Sultan; an influential DMG officer and wife of politician Nasruallah Drashek; Salik Nazir, ex-Chief Secretary Sindh; Arshad Sami Khan, former federal secretary Culture; and Shahid Rafi are the most prominent among them. According to a latest report of National Accountability Bureau submitted in the Supreme Court on February 7 by Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada, 190 cases of corruption are being investigated by NAB offices in Punjab; 82 by NAB Sindh; 35 by NAB NWFP; and 40 by NAB Balochistan. In comparison to the civilian bureaucrats, NAB is interrogating 15 retired army officials for their alleged corruption. They are Maj Gen (R) Sabeeh Qamar Uzzaman; Maj Gen (R) Sikandar Hayat; Major General Shujjat Bukhari; Major (R) Tariq Javed Afridi, MD Choolistan Department Authority; Brig Imtiaz, former DG IB; AVM (R) Umar Farooq, Admiral Mansoorul Haq; Vice Admiral Akbar H Khan; Maj(R) Muhammad Nawaz, PASSCO; ; Major (R) Mushtaq Ahmad, OSD Establishment Division; Air Marshal (R) Waqar Azeem; Brig (R) Tahir Khaili; and Air Cdr (R) Shahzada Babar Shah.
Lt. Gen. (R) Sabeeh Qamar-uz-Zaman
In 1992 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif appointed a General, Sabeeh Qamar-uz-zaman, as chairman of Pakistan Steel. He was given the task of improving the situation and “normalizing” the working conditions. He imposed an undeclared ban on the trade unions at Pakistan Steel. Terror and the harassment of the unions were enforced in the name of discipline. An internal security intelligence unit, the FIU [headed by Colonel Afzal involved in a murder of a labour Laiq Chandio and later appointed as Chairman Pak Steel by Musharraf because he was Musharraf batchmate], was also established and was headed by an army colonel. This notorious intelligence unit “discovered” that 1500 workers were a “security risk”. These workers were punished and removed from their jobs.
Mughal
there is no laugh in my statement as I have no contribution in down fall of PSM but it doesn't hide the crime of IB too which you mentioned had a proper set up in this hive of corruption.
You are giving us now written proof of corruption of PSM but none of history pages ever IB department had challenged the corruption of PSM and punished any culprits of highest level.That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
Main entrance road of steel mill residential areas is known as general qamar sabee road.One employees there told me that general was shot in PSM so this name was given to road.
Why I will support to that men?
I am just showing you what happened there.Col afzal reduced the expenditures of PSM through job shedding and it increased its profit figures for time being and I have told you when he died people distributed sweets.
One thing I told you about the competency of its technical side .it was worst scenes of performance in its all engineering and production departments.
There is no level of engineering skills in any department of steel mill.My job experience is linked with private ventures and I placed professional level of steel mill on zero or up to negative scale where people were not working on their basis of skills but due to wrong means of grabbing jobs for monthly income.
By the way you are not shock proof and you become hyper if some one challenge your information.
I again said nothing was false what I stated as I watched all this during my stay there.
Dear Ms. Nazia,
Answers are given para wise.
Nazia says: – April 19, 2010 at 11:52 pm – Mughal – there is no laugh in my statement as I have no contribution in down fall of PSM but it doesn’t hide the crime of IB too which you mentioned had a proper set up in this hive of corruption. You are giving us now written proof of corruption of PSM but none of history pages ever IB department had challenged the corruption of PSM and punished any culprits of highest level.
MAM: How did you know that IB didn't do anything? Why do think Office was closed? Corruption was indeed challenged by IB [but IB is not a prosecution agency, IB is only reporting agency and have no pwer to arrest or indict in the court of law] and all what I have divulged here is in archives.
That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
MAM: Iftikhar and his actions my foot.
Main entrance road of steel mill residential areas is known as general qamar sabee road.One employees there told me that general was shot in PSM so this name was given to road.
MAM: Believe him I have no objection and I know how streets are named in Pakistan in the name of Generals.
Why I will support to that men? I am just showing you what happened there.Col afzal reduced the expenditures of PSM through job shedding and it increased its profit figures for time being and I have told you when he died people distributed sweets.
MAM: They did the right thing by celebrating the death of a Rasputin.
By the way you are not shock proof and you become hyper if some one challenge your information. I again said nothing was false what I stated as I watched all this during my stay there.
MAM: I am shock proof but not open and white lie proof and you are basically defending one of the corrupt persons in Pakistan Steel Mills. Challenging my information???? It was you who asked me to reveal some details [in another thread] and I had written that you won't believe.
That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
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Iftikhar and his actions when needed were not there because after March 2007 he just bailed out Pakistan Army from the mess of General Musharraf [CJ was in the bench that allowed Musharraf's Martial Law not once but twice]: Alleged Demand For The Trial of NRO Creators. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/01/alleged-…
That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
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Was CJ and his so-called Upright Judiciary sleeping or enjoying joint when this LOOT AND PLUNDER WAS GOING ON: REFERENCE: Guess who walked away with nation’s 100 bn rupees? By Rauf Klasra Friday, December 04, 2009 Chaudhrys, Saifullahs, Jatois, Legharis, Tawakals, Saigols,Jams, generals; some cases were genuine http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?I…
did Pakistan Army do anything good for Pakistan and it’s people in it’s capacity of Defenders of the country so that
their services are often “acquired” in Civilian Domain where they have played havoc like they played around the borders????
No army basically destroyed our productive sectors.
So mughal if any judge dared to create hindrance in way to generals control even then you are not satisfied and relating it to high level conspiracy in which hoolbrook is invloved too.
CJP risked his all career and anything could have happened to him as all mafia was working against him at this time,
You can also check the comments of haq nawaz akthar in this case who favored the decision of CJP.
http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewsMay2006/newsbeatma…
CJP risked his all career and anything could have happened to him as all mafia was working against him at this time,
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CJP didn't risk anything. Had he risked in 2000 by denying PCO Oath.
Nazia says: – April 19, 2010 at 10:48 pm – No army basically destroyed our productive sectors.
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And that's why you were defending Sabih, Qayyum, and Afzal above.????/
April 19, 2010 at 10:51 pm – CJP risked his all career and anything could have happened to him as all mafia was working against him at this time,
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A request to their lordships of the Supreme Court who just recently humbled an elected govt. The ISPR announced that whilst promotions of generals are to be ratified by the govt, it is the army chief’s prerogative to give extensions to whichever general he wills. Suo motu notice, my lords?
Judiciary: Narcissism, Vanity & Talbees-e-Iblees [Devil's Deception] http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/judiciar…
Now you are expecting them which in near future is not possible.That would only be possible when political structure would get roots in our soil.NRO groups and its strong network is show off of militarism in state matters that is why they all are trying their best to create hurdles in the line of free judiciary.
Interference in military matters when it is just behaving like mad elephant in the presence of US marines in our cities, it can produce uncontrollable reactions and we cant afford further chaos like situation in our already disturbed set up.
That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
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Challenging Militarism only when CJ's job was put in doldrums otherwise CJ was very much in the Judiciary when this Fraud was taking place: Zamir said the ISI together with the NAB was instrumental in pressing the lawmakers to join the pro-Musharraf camp to form the government to support his stay in power. Looking down back into the memory lane and recalling his blunders which, he admitted, had pushed the country back instead of taking it forward, Zamir feels ashamed of his role and conduct. Massively embarrassed because he was the one who negotiated, coerced and did all the dirty work, the retired Maj-Gen said he was not in a position to become a preacher now when his own past was tainted. REFERENCE: The man, who rigged 2002 polls, spills the beans By Umar Cheema Sunday, February 24, 2008 http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
That is why I told that at least ch iftikhar did some daring act during his peak time other wise he was writing like you in any blog like Iftikhar nama about real stories which couldnt appear for public display and for scrutiny in our judical system.
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Does CJ, his spokesman and spokesman's sister have little shame left in them while preaching others about Law when the Chief's spokesman himself was part and parcel of the Most Corrupt, Lethal, Ruthless, Barbaric and Pervert Martial Law Regime, Pakistan ever produced: The crackdown, announced late Saturday night after General Musharraf suspended the Constitution, was clearly aimed at preventing public demonstrations that political parties and lawyers were organizing for Monday. “They are showing zero tolerance for protest,” said Athar Minallah, a lawyer, and a former minister in the Musharraf government. REFERENCE: Musharraf Consolidates His Control With Arrests By JANE PERLEZ Published: November 4, 2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/world/asia/04cn…
Right after the resignation of General Musharraf from the Post of the President of Pakistan, Mr. Athar Minallah the Chief Spokesman of the then defunct Defunct Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhary in Private Pakistani TV Channel [AAJ], demanded Treason Trial under article 6 of 1973 Constitutiuon of Islamic Republic of Pakistan while shamelssly forgetting that Athar Minallah, also served in the Musharraf cabinet for two years. Shouln’t Mr Athar Minallah be brought to Justice as well because abetting in a crime is tantamount to committing a crime. Athar was appointed Minister for Law, Local Government, Parliamentary Affairs and Human Rights by the Provincial Government of NWFP (2000-2002) by General Musharraf Military Regime. Athar Minallah joined the prestigious Civil Service of Pakistan (CSP) and after serving for 10 years left the post of Additional Collector Customs to join the firm as a partner. Athar Minallah brings not only rich taxation experience but also valuable scholastic input. Athar completed his law degree from the International Islamic University (Islamabad) and his LLM from University of Cambridge, UK. And his areas of interest are taxation, judicial review, Athar was appointed Minister for Law, Local Government, Parliamentary Affairs and Human Rights by the Provincial Government of NWFP (2000-2002). He also was the member of the Task Force constituted by the Federal Government for revamping the Taxation regime in Pakistan. Currently he is the member of the Policy Board of Intellectual Property of Pakistan and Chairman of Alternate Dispute Resolution Committee (ADRC) for Sales Tax constituted by the Central Board of Revenue.
Mughal
Again you are accusing judiciary for wrong doings of gen zamir and Musharraf who were once part of strongest mafia of Pakistan.
There is no regret in zameer's baizameer life as he was denied this interview in few days.I am sure he confessed all this in drunk state as once did by gen alvi and he was shot dead like stray dog.Gen alvi's wife is sister of zammer and both have taken luxurious villas from malik riaz bribe network.
They all know that he was killed by army establishment but due to use to of sumptuous living standard all shut their voices for demand of justice for their love ones,
You see this is also kind of personal reasons that people shut their eyes on heinous crimes even done to their close one.
Gen zammer is passing his post retirement era with such kind of useless confessions while living in his 8 kannal bungalow gifted to him due to his services to nation. He daily switch on his 50 bulbs around his mini palace wall for security purpose in this time when almost all country is facing acute power shortages.
He is constructing two more houses in bahria town for his family members and enjoying life without any kind of regret.
Mughal this is your statement
How did you know that IB didn’t do anything? Why do think Office was closed? Corruption was indeed challenged by IB [but IB is not a prosecution agency, IB is only reporting agency and have no pwer to arrest or indict in the court of law] and all what I have divulged here is in archives.
It would be better if one close down such kind of ineffective reporting agencies that cant even create a single step of hindrance in way of giant corrupt icons.
Its great you left this reporting channel only triggers when someone like me asked you.
Why you put all blames on judiciary for countering against all kind of corruption.You have already worked in ineffective agency and asking for moral and national duty from judges only.
I never ever support any army men for his brutal act but state and his head had given him license to kill and he is doing his job as part of his training.
It was not army officers who were responsible for down fall of steel but political and civilians all contributed as per appraoch.
for you reference
Steel Mills Case – Ayesha Siddiqa
September 16th 2009 in Ayesha Siddiqa, Khabrain Daily, Urdu Columns
http://pakistancolumns.com/2009/09/16/steel-mills…
So whether it is your foot or your head but it is only Ch ifitkhar who is standing against such typical corrupt icons wihtout getting a single aide form any impotent reporting agency where you also wasted you 11 year of service.
You have mentioned rauf klausar reports.Read his article in latest LNG case in which klauser praised CH ifitkahr for getting thorough information of such fraud by reading his files and report from personal resources.
You have serious grudges with judiciary and you only picked lines which contain taunt and hate for them.
I cant help you any more to reduce your hate for him only time would prove who is right and wrong .
It would be better if one close down such kind of ineffective reporting agencies that cant even create a single step of hindrance in way of giant corrupt icons. Its great you left this reporting channel only triggers when someone like me asked you.
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How come a department is responsible when the department has no power to prosecute and what a logic you have that instead of condemning the Corrupt Khakis you praised above [Afzal, Sabih, and Qayyum] you are praising that it was good to close a watch dog [closed by Sabih] – Rauf quoted reports from National Assembly Record and State Bank.
Read my words "I hate CJ and Judiciary to the core" because they lecture.
Nazia says: – April 20, 2010 at 1:22 am Mughal Again you are accusing judiciary for wrong doings of gen zamir and Musharraf who were once part of strongest mafia of Pakistan.
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Where was the YO YO OF "Suo Moto" was CJ ear up his —– by the way Mafia was legalized by Judiciary in 1999 and then 2000 and then in 2005.
Mughal
Suo moto in case of army mafia is not child play like yoyo but touching the fire ball.
It can be suicidal in such hot situation when army is becoming more bound to US polices for escalating war in terror more than their expectation.Whole judiciary has already seen its helpless situation in Nov 2007 when an armed captain was sent to building of SC to halt its all working and making all judges under house arrest.
So in such conducive environment of ignorance and betrayal One can judge the superiority complex of lower armed officers of state over other departemnts .
Under such circumstances what would you expect more than this from unarmed senior officials.
What kind of intelligence people are you that first you given up your all responsibility of even highlighting the charge sheet of official criminals working under your nose and if judiciary some how trying to show its executing powers , you people consider it as drama or rang bazzi.
These are same reporting agencies who couldnt given a single authentic charge sheet against any religious clerics belong to group of terrorism and now they are
roaming free in their networks as such.
It was the easiest way to legalized martial law in a military state and they did it twice but third time they stood against it which was one of in calculated reaction from weak judiciary to giants of miltiary.
So lets have some courage a little to support them so they dont loose their gathered courage in coming days.
What kind of intelligence people are you that first you given up your all responsibility of even highlighting the charge sheet of official criminals working under your nose and if judiciary some how trying to show its executing powers , you people consider it as drama or rang bazzi.
These are same reporting agencies who couldnt given a single authentic charge sheet against any religious clerics belong to group of terrorism and now they are roaming free in their networks as such. It was the easiest way to legalized martial law in a military state and they did it twice but third time they stood against it which was one of in calculated reaction from weak judiciary to giants of miltiary. So lets have some courage a little to support them so they dont loose their gathered courage in coming days.
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You were "Praising" the so-called Judgement of Incumbent CJ [Bull in a China Shop] so please tell me by checking the cause list of Supreme Court as to who represented Musharraf on Steel Mills, Who were in that Bench with the CJ and who was the lawyers who fought against the NRO.
Here are the references [old newspapers]: You were “Praising” the so-called Judgement of Incumbent CJ [Bull in a China Shop] so please tell me by checking the cause list of Supreme Court as to who represented Musharraf on Steel Mills, Who were in that Bench with the CJ and who were the lawyers who fought against the NRO, and who were the lawyers who were defending the same Zardari earlier and in after restoration of "Anarchy -Judiciary" the same opposing Zardari. Of Chameleon i.e. Abdul Hafeez Pirzada, Judiciary & NRO. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/of-chame…
Nazia says: = April 20, 2010 at 11:16 pm Mughal These are same reporting agencies who couldnt given a single authentic charge sheet against any religious clerics belong to group of terrorism and now they are roaming free in their networks as such.
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Few tips:
Disaster of Takfeer and Violent Steps to remove Governments and Siege of Makkaah in 1979 by NEO KHARIJITES OF IKHWANUL MUSLIMEEN AND JAMAT-E-ISLAMI.
Footage of Juhayman Al Otaybi – Amazing footage of Juhayman Al Otaybi (sometimes spelled al-Otaibi or numerous other variants), the ringleader behind the disastrous 1979 siege of Mecca. The footage, originally broadcast on Saudi government-controlled TV, also shows the dead body of the alleged Mahdi Juhayman was promoting with the attack. (The Mahdi is an apocalyptic figure in some strains of Islam.)
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2007_09_27_blogarchi…
Here is the video clip of Kabaah Siege in 1979 [rare video – please upload on your blog and write a comment] Footage of Juhayman Al Otaybi – Who are Wahhaabis? – 5 http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/who-are-…
Nazia says: – April 20, 2010 at 11:16 pm – Mughal – What kind of intelligence people are you that first you given up your all responsibility of even highlighting the charge sheet of official criminals working under your nose and if judiciary some how trying to show its executing powers , you people consider it as drama or rang bazzi. These are same reporting agencies who couldnt given a single authentic charge sheet against any religious clerics belong to group of terrorism and now they are roaming free in their networks as such.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
I wont brag and I would just pray to Allah that May He bring a day when Pakistan's Secret Official Record is declassified and open for everybody [particularly you] to pass the judgement.
I would just pray to Allah that May He bring a day when Pakistan’s Secret Official Record is declassified and open for everybody [particularly you] to pass the judgment.
Mughal
You know what is actually going on in our country on the name of intelligence agencies network and its hidden agendas.
Reporting agencies collect such declassified reports for blackmailing individuals or for controlling their acts through their weaknesses.
Sometimes these intelligence agencies design such weakness as a snare in which bait is also provided through their sources to get the file of weaknesses in record rooms of agencies.
You and many like you officers have already presented open proofs of corruption and even accepted their involvement in corruption scandals.Anybody has courage to arrest them unless rulers want to make it public for some kind of maneuvering in political and social setup.
If it would have happened in any civilized state all such people even persecuted after retirement but in our setup such hidden reports are intentionally out from record rooms to divert the attention of masses toward some opposite direction or might be in revenge of higher class.
You and others people after leaving job or getting retirement benefits give public statements on corruption deals but who bother about it.
I cant pass the judgment on any department on the basis of inputs of any department but can comment on performance after seeing its output and repute in social circle.
You know if we have strong civilian govt or fair miltiary cheif ,our major blame of this insecure environment perssiting around us for many years,it should have been put on account on failed performance of intelligence agencies.
Now IB and ISI officers are actually contributing in flourishing terrorism and corruption in the area.That is why black water and dyne corps like security agencies are independently working under Pakistani cover ups.
They all are getting share from Pakistanis representatives whom declassified rperts are hidden in record room of Agenices.
This is what they have earned notorious reputation in local circle .
And corrupt Lawyers [Judges too] are defending such activities [just old newspapers] Barrister Akram Sheikh provided his "services" to a Corrupt Ex-Army Chief of Pakistan i.e. General [R] Mirza Aslam Beg who was least bothered about the "Honour and Respect of Judiciary, another glimpse, Sanctimonious Lawyers: Barrister Akram Sheikh & Mehran Bank Scanda lhttp://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/sanctimonious-lawyers-barrister-akram.html
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/sanctimo…
Nazia says: – April 20, 2010 at 11:16 pm Mughal What kind of intelligence people are you that first you given up your all responsibility of even highlighting the charge sheet of official criminals working under your nose and if judiciary some how trying to show its executing powers , you people consider it as drama or rang bazzi. [Nazia]
You and others people after leaving job or getting retirement benefits give public statements on corruption deals but who bother about it. [Nazia]
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There is a difference between a Chief and lower employee of any agency. Just curious! Do you even know what is the pay scale [and living condition] of Grade 14 Officer [or in case of agencies even grade 17 or 18 Officer], his perks, benefits, gratuity or provident fund after retirement or resignation. Top level is often corrupt in the Intelligence Agencies and by the way there are no Legal Arresting Powers with IB or even ISI and MI, therefore no public dealing [all the investigations/enquiries are to be conducted secretly and subject cannot be approached in any circumstance] so when there is no public dealing then no bribe [like Income Tax, Custom, Board of Revenue, Police, FIA and Rangers].
Think before bombarding the allegation and if you don't know then read PPC.
Mughal
I have already told you that I have no logical points to challenge your on hand experience in your field ,nor I can be source of surprise information in your field but you are not getting my point.
I am challenging the job goals of all agencies and army men in our system.You have already mentioned the presence of safari club activities and its network in those Muslim countries which couldnt even maintain stability and peace since 1970s.
ISI , IB or others should act like brain of Pakistan.The people who are picked from such jobs should be fanatically nationalists .Their main concern should be focus on nation security,defense planning relating to military operation and counter terrorism, early warning setup for encountering unpredictable contingencies etc.
But look what is going on in Pakistan.We have long history that our agencies accused of being involved in assassinations of popular political characters, arms sales, coup against state,killings of poor civilians on the basis of misguided intelligence, placement of misinformation we call it as propaganda as well as other covert operations, in order to support individuals or mostly army rule.
So what is main reason of producing such traitors who work against national interests.What I observe through my little observation that Professional liars,crook ,shrewd and by nature corrupt like personalities are collected in these agencies and then drive as per their inbuilt nature in the name of intelligence networks.They don't have any traces of intelligence and wisdom in their dead heads and conscious.
Nazia says: – April 24, 2010 at 11:25 pm Mughal
I am challenging the job goals of all agencies and army men in our system. ISI , IB or others should act like brain of Pakistan.The people who are picked from such jobs should be fanatically nationalists.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Solution is Oversight Committee and Implementation of Air Chief Marshal (retd) Late. Zulfiqar Ali Khan's Commission Report on Intelligence Agencies.
This is same for all departments including judiciary,education , health.So ne need to create pity situation. Focus on the targets of job goals of any institute as all join such departments by knowing its basic pay scale.
We have spent our all resources to our pseudo defence culture so left overs are for other major administrative purposes surely affecting our efficiency in all areas of govt.
It is not shocking truth that even spending billions rupees on our defense, we are the most insecure nation even living in our homes.
No power, no jobs , no economic resources but enjoy the taste of nuclear arms,modern weapons , long convoys of rulers and cordon off area of VIPs.
I have no time to read 1860PCO.
I am sure even LE office holders are unaware of its implementation and limitation as they are the first who bypass or breached these legislation in our system for showing their slavery attitude to their seniors.
Why you want to trap me in theoretical laws.
Do you deny what is going on in reality.
Do you not acknowledge that who actually plays the role of blackmailers between Civilian, political and miltiary characters ,it is our agencies and its trained men who gather weaknesses of humans in jobs and private lives and use it as and where basis.
NObody see national interest or any kind of foreign agenda in acts of these official criminals but busy in deals for personal gains.
I give you clue for latest game in Islamabad that how sunshine security company run by retired army officers is surrounded by all IB, ISI, MI officers as it has been selected as cover up of dyncorp Washington via US embassy.
They are busy in fulfilling the demands of all intelligence men gathering them like state vultures.
Try to talk to them on national interest and security threat like issues even in this pathetic situation of bleeding Pakistan and they would all laugh on you.
Nazia says:- April 22, 2010 at 1:50 pm This is same for all departments including judiciary,education , health.So ne need to create pity situation.
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Other departments [no doubt pay scales are pathetic] aren't tasked collecting Intelligence. We were discussing Intelligence Agencies here.
NAZIA: I have no time to read 1860 PCO.Why you want to trap me in theoretical laws. Do you deny what is going on in reality.
If you know nothing then don't argue in vain without knowledge. Reality is known to me far better then you.
Nazia: Do you not acknowledge that who actually plays the role of blackmailers between Civilian, political and miltiary characters ,it is our agencies and its trained men who gather weaknesses of humans in jobs and private lives and use it as and where basis.
Where did I deny?
NAZIA: I give you clue for latest game in Islamabad that how sunshine security company run by retired army officers is surrounded by all IB, ISI, MI officers as it has been selected as cover up of dyncorp Washington via US embassy.
They are busy in fulfilling the demands of all intelligence men gathering them like state vultures.
Nothing new because this has been going on since 1979. Remember Afghan Jihad [US CIA, FBI, MI6,Saudi Arabia's Al Mukhabarat Al A'amah (General Intelligence Directorate), and Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE – French Secret Service) used to operate in Pakistan. You are telling me nothing new: The Safari Club – An Alternate Super Intelligence Agency. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/09/safari-c…
Amir Mughal says: "Read my words “I hate CJ and Judiciary to the core” because they lecture."
Amir Mughal hates Ch. Iftikhar because he was a bone stuck in Zardaris throat.
Any one who opposes Zaradari Mafia would be considered scumbag by PPP scum-scam-bags like Amir Mughal (L.U.C.EEEE)
If people had not stood behind Ch. Iftikhar, BB would not have recieved such a warm welcome. All the opposition against Musharraf gave a way for the crrooks to comeback.
WE HATE ZARDARI AND HIS MAFIA ALONG OTHER MAFIAS WHO THINK JUDICIARY TO BE AS THEIR "GHULAAMs"
Any one who opposes Zaradari Mafia would be considered scumbag by PPP scum-scam-bags like Amir Mughal (L.U.C.EEEE)
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Read my words again and read the name of the Lawyer [Hafiz Pirzada] who defended the same Zardari some years ago and same Pirzada was pleading against NRO. Now tell me who is "Lucee"
Of Chameleon i.e. Abdul Hafeez Pirzada, Judiciary & NRO. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/of-chame…
And do read in the links the name of CJ in the bench with Dogar [during General Musharraf's Martial Law early year] who were listening the same BB and Zardari on the same Swiss Cases where in Hafeez Pirzada was defending the couple
Judicial Amnesia & Martial Law Duties. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/04/judicial…
How is it so that on one hand you defend a person in a case and then plead against the same and "Hero Lawyer of NRO i.e. Pirzada did that" also read the amount Hafiz Pirzada accepted through Mehran Bank Scandal [through General Aslam Beg]
Mughal
I can further modify my last comment like that
I am challenging the job goals of all agencies and army men in our system. ISI , IB or others should act like brain of Pakistan.The people who are picked from such jobs should be fanatically nationalists but most of its top management is fanatically corrupt and dangerous to national stability.
After their retirement they are top lecturers of national interests to poor people like me or some start mission of spreading Islam and its teachings in Muslim community.I call it pre grave trauma which haunt them due to their sinful activities during time of power and control of state authority.
You are giving me reference of some report of air marshal zulfiqar who was also ISI chief and then selected for US ambassador.
You are dependent of some reports of airforce man for defining your goals in Intelligence agencies???
Mughal shahib common sense is such a power that is above any report provided by a person who was firstly politically selected for ISI and then elected for US house.
A senseless person of Paksitan knows that how blue boys from army circle is selected by US just to enhance defense deals and for political maneuvering within army circles to take control of civilian infrastructure.So get the data that democratic US mostly preferred retried senior army officers as representatives of state.Before qualifying such jobs individuals are invited in special training cells in which lucrative offers of jobs, citizenship etc are offered to their siblings and kids too.
I don't belong to any network but being a professional know my job target the day I join any organization.I deviate from goals due to my greed and weaknesses.
Professional persons and organizations are not in need of any report by suspicious characters but only thing required is their skills and defined job targets which are available in working/policy/operating manuals of all departments.You call it 1860 PPA.