The Express Tribune, partnered with The International Herald Tribune which is the global arm of The New York Times, is slated to finally make its debut today morning, while the online version has just been released to the public, the initial launch is limited to Karachi and many households will be treated with a fresh new English paper on their morning tables. Personally I do vividly recall the launch of ‘The News’ in the 80’s when it came hot off the press in a spanking, then, jaw dropping glossy sheets across the board, but unfortunately those fun frolicking days didn’t last long. The Lakhani group has been busy on this project for a good many month, under the watchful eye of Bilal Lakhani we await to see if it does indeed rustle the feathers of the existing competition and has the umpf to last in the long run.
The paper kicks of its first print with op-eds from Ayesha Siddiqa, Sami Shah, Quatrina Hosain and Osman Samiuddin with news that Zahoor’s cratoon-imagery is too be featured amongst its pages. On a personal note, I am also expected to send the paper a weekly column, so lets see how this papers fares up against the competition, it will have run for its money, but good quality and high standards will keep a stead stream of readers latched onto its print edition.
I must admit that at first glance the online version of the paper http://tribune.com.pk is quite pleasing to the eye, compared to the confused mysticism found on Dawn.com and archaic The News website, I find this site easier to navigate, for which I can be sure credit must go out to Aleem Bawany whom I know is definitely a part of the core online initiative. Here’s to The Express Tribune for a long and fulfilling life in this journalistic world
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182 responses to “The Express Tribune goes Online & in Print”
If they show their mettle with entertaining and informative views on news, I just might compel Abu into subscribing to this!
Their website seems better than anything else in the Pakistani news-o-sphere.. definitely a good use in the news media of WordPress. Love it!
good one!
Teeth
Its good you give introduction to new online venture of journalism but the way you compare it with Dawn and trying to let down status of dawn, it gives impression to reader like me about your biased attitude.
You have already made irrelevant criticism on dawn for quite trivial matters.
Dawn has is firm status in Pakistani journalism since the creation of Pakistan and maintained its standard in front of viewers and readers.
So such remarks on its performance for projecting other newly brand, looks quite abnormal.
@Nazia
"You have already made irrelevant criticism on dawn for quite trivial matters.
Dawn has is firm status in Pakistani journalism since the creation of Pakistan and maintained its standard in front of viewers and readers."
Yes, a firm status as a mouthpiece of western propaganda.
Btw: Which "trivial matters" are you referring to?
The continuously Islam bashing by various baboo(n) column writers? or are you referring to journalists participating in parties with Americans or is it the biased interviews on Dawn TV?
It is indeed very encouraging to see new magazines being launched. This clearly shows the aptitude our nation is developing to be well informed. But it should be noted that all the magazines read by masses need to promote liberal, progressive and dynamic ideas to the public as food for thoughts. Hate-speech needs to be avoided.
Poor observer
Who is bashing Islam?
Fazulrehaman ,JI and other MMA people who have got full strong support of miltiary or few writers of Dawn, whose language is only understandable to 2 TO 3% population of Pakistan.
Kindly give me name of any its column writer who in your point of view is bashing Islam.
Ayehsha siddique, I Rehaman,Irfan hussain, kamran shafi who looks you western mouth piece.
Cowsjee and cyril amelida are nonmuslims but all time focused on Pakistan problems.
So to whom you are calling western mouthpiece??
Have a look:
http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://pkpr…
Nazia,
I don't think JI and other Muslims have support of Na-Pak Army, rather pro-western *elites* have the support of Na-Pak Army.
The marriage between JI and Army existed only in Zia time, rest of the Pakistan's history is filled with Pro-Western Facists enjoying the warm lap of (na)Pak Army.
GO read details about your auntee 'General Rani' and tell me who the Na-Pak Army has been sleeping with.
“Fazulrehaman ,JI and other MMA people who have got full strong support of military”
You missed the target (again). I am not a supporter of any of the above parties.
“or few writers of Dawn, whose language is only understandable to 2 TO 3% population of Pakistan.”
Thank God that only 2-3 % understands these Trojan Horses.
More or less all the clumn writers at Dawn are the same lousy stuff. Just to name a few of the ugliest:
– Nadeem F. Paracha
– Irfan Hussain
Dawn TV:
I have seen a hell of a job from Saima Mohsin when she interviewed Dr. Shireen Mazari. It could have been an interview by FOX News i.e. very harsh and biased against Shireen Mazari. Intimidating and interrupting Shireen M. and on contrary polite and subservient towards the gora master, and on top of that I came to know that she also attends parties with the Americans. Do I need to say more?
Btw: Do you work for a NGO?
@Observer: Nadeem Paracha & Irfan Hussain write just one column a week. They have their clear biases but you cannot judge the newspaper based on them alone. And most importantly their columns are in the Opinion section of the newspaper not hidden among news items – something which you cannot say about the other newspapers.
Jang & 'The News' are biased towards the other end. That is alright as long you follow an honest policy of segregating opinions from news stories. But 'The News' does not do so. Many times they carry opinion pieces disguised as news items on their front pages.
I think Dawn is the most balanced newspaper we have in Pakistan.
As for the Saima Mohsin interview with Shireen Mazari i agree it was really pathetic seeing her suck up to the foreigners.
@A1,
Kanjar nadeem paracha is not an alien in dawn. most of the columnist and reporters exhibit their Islamophobia (although at much lesser degree than the Kanjar NFP) but any one can see the typical mentality based on islamophobia… proof? you can see a great deal of fuss over the issue of flogging but you wont see any thing except more than few lines over the issue.
This is a typical kind of journalism always favoring and promoting a specific kind of agenda.
Observer
Nadeem what ever he sees he says.
He is not an hypocrite and accept what he is actually and what is going on around him in the name of politics and Islam.
I surely don't like his drugged dose personality but he has some talent for writing and dawn is using it.
saima mohsin looks to be raised in western county so what she does in her private life is none of our business,nor she is considered as top class columnist
Dont try to challenge the versatility of any society.Such different colors of human personality gives you understanding to different expressions and impressions of human minds and improve your level of tolerance for adjusting different mental approaches around you.
Following the typical mind set people halts your thoughts and you have become slave of typical and enclosed life styles.
Journalists who attended this party had come from all side like samaa, geo,Ary , dawn so people have their personal trends how can we stop them.
These pictures were intentionally floated to media to lower the credibility of media and anchor persons.Such kind of drink and dance parties have become symbol of one typical class and its germs have come from bureaucracy ,army men and nou dalitias class.
so these are not western minded as west has produce more nationalist and hardworking class.They are neither teether nor batair but have their own way of living.
Ans
No I dont work for any particular NGO but at the time of IDps, influx I worked with some group based in Peshawar.
@A1
Maybe, but they have such people in abundance at Dawn.
Why did you bring in TheNews?
This is a typical Pakistani stance. The other part also does it….that's VERY unfortunate. Call a spade a spade. I am NO fan of The News either. My general opinion is that we have far too many yellow journalists. I suppose it's with the consent of the newspaper they act like yellow journalists.
I bought in 'The News' because you cannot discuss the quality of a newspaper in isolation. 'The News' is the main competitor to Dawn. You have to have a certain yardstick with which to judge anything.
We are talking about which is the best newspaper we have. And i think Dawn is the best that we have. They have their biases but every newspaper in the world has its biases. The good thing about Dawn is that they keep their biases mostly to their editorials & opinion pages. Their reporting is the most fair among the newspapers in my opinion.
If i want to know unbiased news i always read Dawn. The other newspapers like 'The News' have a habit of making news stories out of their wishlists. I don't know how many times i have read predictions in 'The News' by people like Shaheen Sehbai, Ansar Abbasi that Zardari will be removed in a months time or in two months time or in March…..
They just make up the stories & then sit and hope that they come true.
I have even lesser respect for these people because they are journalists & instead of reporting the news as it is they cloak their opinions & wishes within the articles & present them as facts from unnamed sources. Nadeem Paracha & Irfan Hussain on the other hand write opinion pieces & one may disagree with them but they don't engage in these dirty tricks.
Dawn is much better in that sense.
@Nazia
You cannot justify her actions by pointing towards other journalists/anchor persons. That's ridiculous.
She is expected to report independently and fairly, and she CANNOT do that by participating in Yankee parties. Especially when the Yankees are violating our sovereignty. It's the duty of each and every Pakistani to look after OUR interests (I don't expect our politicians to do that)!
These yankees are in not because of our jounrnalism but this NOC is given to them by your military men.
They SURELY attracted few young journalist to get their contact with locals .It is normal practice in all countries and here they pick and choose their blue boys and ladies.
Here babas can not restrain themselves of going to such parties so how would you expect from these young adha tetheter adhi batiar like generation.
We have become senseless nation.
Except the day of bhutto murder hardly any marriage and musical parties were canceled in country which has been hit by more than 1000 deadly blasts in last 5 years.
Even officials musical evenings dinners are not postponed by influential people in case of even worst kind of bomb blast.
It was seen during Hillary visit,Marriot bombing etc
@Nazia
"No I dont work for any particular NGO but at the time of IDps, influx I worked with some group based in Peshawar."
Dal meiN kuch kala hai….Please tell the full truth!
That explains a lot. It's easier to understand your biased viewpoint against Pakistani interests!
@Nota
Please come back………You better continue what you started. I admit my mistake 😉
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlf4KCV5Ab0
again behaving like run away bride.
So sad I cant resume my so called logical point of views.
I am not so bad or worst than worst as you people think but so tragic part of my life
Obserevr
Either your daal is kaali or you are suffering from acute catarct(kala motia).
I prefer to work with those people whom I know through personal links.Dont try to implicate me in any kind of scandal as I am well aware of all messy business going on around me in the name of NGOs
If you want to work with some dandy and brandy ladies I can help you to elaborate your social life for any cause.
We should not compare Express Tribune with Dawn. Dawn will never publish me as it has the strict censor policy for any voice from the right but the best feature of it is that it’s pure Pakistani newspaper. On the contrary the profile of The Express Tribune tells that it will be just another VOA after the CIA’s daily Times
You have a good point!
Cool down, Nazia…..
It seems like you know how dangerous foreign aided NGO's are for Pakistan. They should all be closed down immediately!
@A1
I don't understand your logic. Your comparison would be the same as comparing PPP and PML-N. We know both are corrupt, but you could accept one of them because they are a less corrupt than the other.
I am fully aware of the bias certain news media has according to their political views, but to work on foreign agenda is a sin that I cannot ignore. Then writing skills are of no importance. I look at the substance and not writing skills.
My logic is that we have to get the news from somewhere. You cannot possibly go out & get all the news yourself. So we have to rely on the available newspapers and in my opinion Dawn is the best that we have.
What foreign agenda is Dawn working on? Simply because you do not agree with their editorial policy does not mean that they have to be working on some foreign agenda.
And where did i talk about the writing skills? I was also talking about the substance.
Come on, Nazia….give some logical answers and don't be like the sticky paper!
The difference is quite obvious after reading different news papers Dawn vs news and the Pakistan times.
News doesn't not look more interesting after reading dawn.
The person who has interest in reading editorials and columns should be placed in the category of sensible person who has some interests other then local news.
Dawn has variety of columnists and one after reading few pieces of any writer can pick and choose for future reading.
This is same for other newspapers too.
Dawn has maintained its repute as unbiased foreign language news channel and I think that is why it is more attractive that other news sources.
@Nazia
"Dawn has maintained its repute as unbiased foreign language news channel….."
Then please explain this:
"This article was sent to Dawn in response to Cyril Almeida’s column Talibangate, but was not published, it has more recently been published in The News in a slightly edited version, but the actual rebuttal is reproduced here"
Link: https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2010/04/05/imran-khans-s…
Why I give explanation on the behalf of Dawn or cyril almedia.
If he wrote against Imran or N league then it is compulsory for them to write all kinds of objection raised against their regular columnist.
So you are against Dawn as his one writer writes something against Imran and his ideology.
So tell me who is biased you or dawn management.
I always praised Imran for his social work job but his 180 degree turns and somersault in politics sometime toward Musharraf or some time toward JI and gen gul like most corrupt icons in the history of taliban creation produces extreme confusion in his personality.
What ever JI did to him In PU during emergency 2008 was clear picture that where they place him.
He talks about change in system but his personal life speaks he is not following such rules .
His whole youth was passed like colorful lahori boy who has still strong relation with notorious yousuf slaehdin and we all know that what kind of the man he is .He is some kind of replica of gen Ranee in lahori culture.
And imran is still close ties with him
Again his typical status quo mentality was revealed when he married a typical richest British lady from Jewish origin much younger than his age,As long as they were bound together his wife and his two sons lived like elites who mostly spend their lives in high class British community.
Social works are part of celebrities life specially at teh end of theri professional tenures as they have become use to praising crows around them and when they found missing mostly opt for social works on the call of NGOs or organization too.
All know that by luck we had won the world cup cricket as the performance of team was throughout unpredictable since the start of first match.I also say that Allah had to give us a modern cancer Hospital setup through this world cup that is why our failed performance had turned to be unbelievable and in calculated victory which no doubt is helping many needy in serious trouble.
But I think as private person you didnt visit this hospital.they charged you thrice than others.
I am all time regular donor of SKH and ready if his team need my free service for spreading education network as he claimed but never thought of voting him. so it means I am prejudice too.
@Nazia
Your reply "12.1" makes sense!
@Nazia
You wrote:
"Dawn has maintained its repute as unbiased foreign language news channel….."
Then please explain this:
"This article was sent to Dawn in response to Cyril Almeida’s column Talibangate, but was not published, it has more recently been published in The News in a slightly edited version, but the actual rebuttal is reproduced here"
You always claim your superiority and I accept whole heartily my low profile and senseless attitude and blah balh you predict about me.
For your eye with acute cataract only
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Look obserevr
we are not controller of anyhthing in this country and only responsible of our words and acts/
We take /observe the things through general perception, our natural inclination toward likes or dislikes and through its outcome and influence around us or in international level.
So I have no ambiguity in my mind that dawn has more clarity toward projecting Pakistan and its activities than we do. Taking one case and generalized it on the whole is wrong way of judging a big institute which is mainly based on huge team work and run 24hrs a day..
@Teeth
I am in moderation when I use a link to your own blog. Do you know why??
yes – im clearing some of your comments – it seems the Akismet Spam filter has found a new friend, I cleared a few comment but trashed the duplicate one. Ill keep a close eye on the incoming comments
@A1
In fact Nota has investigated some of their biased stories:
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/a-quic…
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/why-wo…
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/mofo-m…
http://fkpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/mofo-m…
And there are more on the same site.
I am not saying that anything reported by DAWN is against norms and decency or lies. Nor is it the case with any other media entity in Pakistan. What is important is that we read with precautions and seek alternative channels also try to understand which paper we are reading, which writer has been used and what they are reporting about.
Like i said every newspaper in the world has its biases one way or the other. Agreed some of the instances you have quoted show Dawn's bias. But I still maintain compared to other newspapers it is the most unbiased that we have.
And it goes without saying that one should not take everything at face value & use our own minds.
Regarding the Aafia Siddiqi case, it has been blown out of proportion by the media & clearly a lot of facts are being ignored in the case. They have just been emotionalizing the entire issue.
Aafis Siddiqi's case is not so open & shut. While i think that she might have been framed by the Americans but the fact remains that if they wanted her dead it was very easy to just kill her & dispose of her body in Afghanistan. No one would have asked any questions.
The truth lies somewhere in between the American version of events, those given by her former husband and her uncle, & those peddled by the media.
@Observer
See the article "DAWN: Bring IDF-Style Check-Posts To Pakistan"
Also, two articles I added in the comments under there are a must read:
Zionist Mercenaries in Pakistan’s Secular Press
and
Behind the Façade of Israel-Pakistan Rapprochement
In moderation again. I used some links to Nota's website.
Nota, himself or mightbe herself need moderate setup so teeth is trying to give him/her a moral lesson
@Nazia
"Taking one case and generalized it on the whole is wrong way of judging a big institute which is mainly based on huge team work and run 24hrs a day.."
Reasons for Dawn being unbiased:
– huge team work
and
– to run 24 hours a day
Well done, Nazia….do really stand by these words?
I think you have deleted such words from your personal dictionary like
shirmanda hoona, little embarrassment, minor discomfiture.
You are connecting my sentences in wrong way but as you are observer so no one dare to challenge your observability.
@Nazia
"Nota, himself or mightbe herself need moderate setup so teeth is trying to give him/her a moral lesson"
I am also in moderation when I use link to Teeth's own blog 🙂
@Nazia
No need to get rude, just because I exposed your "talent" for defending dawn. Please cool down and do something new….THINK before you write.
@Nazia and @Observer Request to just stop this debate – its endless – and finger pointing irrelevant
Observer
I am not becoming rude but responding you in the same tone,
What kind of exposition clues you provided here to expose me.
Excuse me mister I am neither an investigative reporter nor paid writer whom is exposed by your high profile thought.
I have my simple version that dawn attracts readers and there is no western interest behind its readers.
Dawn is not in need of my defensive way as people pick it on the basis of its performance.
if nadia khan show has become one to favorite show of Paksitan among it free time ladies then what is going to expose in it.
Newspaper are not read on gun points or someone forced you to read it at all costs.It first penetrates to reader's mind and in common practices found urban areas, usually unprejudiced and non ethnic literature become more popular than orthodox type.So dawn has made its way whether you accept it or not.
@A1
I don't want to start a new debate on Aafia. I don't agree with your assumption that they could just kill her. That would hardly solve their case since they have far too many absurd allegations against them already. They would rather see her "convicted of something rather than to kill her.
Apart from the quality of Dawn I think we agree that we MUST read between the lines and look for alternative news and foremost THINK before making conclusions since most (if not all) media entities have their own agendas.
Leaving emotionalism aside what possibly could the US government achieve by putting her on a much publicized trial & face negative sentiments in Pakistan & its media. They have killed scores and scores of innocent people so if they wanted to get rid of her they certainly could. There is no logic in asserting that they couldn't have killed her. Why couldn't they? What has the trial achieved? If they wanted to interrogate her to get some secrets out they could have done that keeping her in several of the secret prisons they run in Afghanistan or Iraq. Instead they have created a symbol or resistance out of her & i doubt have gained anything in return.
It is not like being portrayed in the media that some random normal working lady going about her business was just picked up by the agencies & tortured & treated like the way she has been treated with mystery surrounding the whereabouts of her children. Her former husband & her uncle give some pretty contradictory accounts of her activities to what is being projected in the media. I think the truth lies somewhere in between. It is not such an open and shut case.
I think it is our hypocrisy as a nation that we are ready to over-politicize this case but remain quite & unaffected on so many equally reprehensible abuses of women & children that go on inside our own country at the hands of our fellow countrymen.
There is a need for quality print publications. hope tribune meets the highest expectations. nest of luck
@A1
We are off topic. This is my last response in that regard.
I am not saying she is innocent, but what about her children. Are they also culprits?
I really don't have any clue about that. What bothers me is that Pakistanis are abducted/sold or whatever without any sense of security. Our local masters can do anything without any consequences. The alleged culprits don't get tried in Pakistan, but in foreign countries. Many African countries wouldn't tolerate that, but we do. IF she had done anything wrong she should have been tried and punished in Pakistan and nowhere else. Some reports say she is not a Pakistani citizen, then at least they should have ensured that she was judged and sent out through proper channels.
No her children are not to blame & neither am i saying that she is guilty because i simply don't know. The truth as always is the first casualty in the whole affair. The Americans have their own biased opinions & we have our own.
And anyways even if she is guilty of any terrorism or killing of innocent civilians no one deserves the torture & horrendous treatment that she has been meted out at the hands of intelligence agencies, both ours & the US's.
I agree with you. We should not hand over any of our citizens to any country. And neither should our intelligence agencies be allowed to pick up anyone they want to and keep them in illegal confinement.
My point is she has been made a symbol of resistance just because she is being tried in a US court. If a court in Pakistan had tried her & our intelligence agencies had been exclusively involved in her abduction & torture, no one of us would even know her name. And i think there must be many such Pakistani citizens who have met a similar or worse fate at the hands of intelligence agencies.
Dear Awab,
Do you remember your own blog/website on the owners of Express.
"QUOTE"
Lakhanis are currently having a hard time at the hands of NAB. Sultan Lakhani and his three brothers run this prestigious group and the chain of McDonald’s restaurants in Pakistan. NAB has alleged the Lakhanis of having created phoney companies through worthless directors and raised massive loans from various banks and financial institutions. Sultan is currently abroad after having served a jail term with younger sibling Amin, though the latter was released much earlier. NAB had reportedly demanded Rs 7 billion from Lakhanis, but later agreed they pay only Rs 1.5 billion over a 10-year period. Lakhanis, like their arch-rivals Hashwanis, are the most well-known of all Ismaeli tycoons. Their stakes range from media, tobacco, paper, chemicals and surgical equipment to cotton, packaging, insurance, detergents and other house-hold items, many of which are joint ventures with leading international conglomerates. Though Lakhanis are in turbulent waters currently, the success that greeted them during the last 25 years especially has been tremendous. They have rifts with large business empires despite being known fur their genteel nature. Whether it is any government in Sindh or at the Federal level, Lakhanis have had trusted friends everywhere, though the present era has proved a painful exception. REFERENCE: Pakistans Rich List of 2008 Posted by Teeth Maestro December 8, 2007
"UNQUOTE"
I can recall a day February 11,1991 when The News of jang group launched.The had best quality news print paper with 4 magazine 1-we 2-them 3-us 4-you.
Now just go to stall and buy a copy ,you will need to wash your hand because of dirt.
Same with The Post of Khabrain group.
@ Nazia :
The dawn has its own market ,my stall wala told me that on Sunday they sale around 50 copies.
The price of TET is Rs 25/- so they eye on upper class market.
The good thing is that the English news paper market is expending .i wish good luck to TET.As this group has given hard time to jang other wise some we can remember that ,when Amroz relaunched .Jang group bought it ,and stop circulations.
As express brought 4 columnist from Jand the same trick can be used for TET too.
The Lakhani group has been busy on this project for a good many month, under the watchful eye of Bilal Lakhani we await to see if it does indeed rustle the feathers of the existing competition and has the umpf to last in the long run.
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With a track record like mentioned below the "Express Tribune" would touch the skies: REFERENCE: Pakistans Rich List of 2008 Posted by Teeth Maestro December 8, 2007 REFERENCE: NAB in tight corner as businessmen refuse to pay dues By Kamran Khan Legal notice to Sultan Lakhani for publishing concocted stories Wednesday, October 11, 2006 News Desk REFERENCE: Lakhani brothers in NAB hands Talat Hussain, AAJ TV, "Ghairat – Honour" & Express News. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/12/talat-hu…
I think Amir Mughal is an automated computer script. It cannot be humanly possible to remember so many references & quote at the speed that Mr. Mughal quotes at.
@Nazia
It's useless to continue the "debate", because you are still confused and making circular and arguments with no logic.
Where I go and find solid damagh and mental approach to satisfy your rigid and aggressive attitude.
This is in my default
khay lo jo khaina hay.
Al says:- April 13, 2010 at 12:22 am – I think Amir Mughal is an automated computer script. It cannot be humanly possible to remember so many references & quote at the speed that Mr. Mughal quotes at.
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Dear Sir,
Thanks for the compliment. Jang Group [Geo], Pakistan Herald Publication [Dawn], or Express [Lakson Group – The Lakson Group] are all basically "Seths – Shylock" and one should be hopeful about the standard of Press/Reporting in Pakistan when they all implement Wage Board Award and follow ILO Regulation within their own organizations [they often lecture any government to follow the law]: The Dawn Media Group & 7th Wage Board Award http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/dawn-med…
Mughal
we accept too much from people and their acts.
Hameed harron has a fine history of one of educated class of Paksitan and noway he is compared to any seth like activity.
he might has personal interests, different human values less inclination toward Islam but he has given Pakistan a fine standard in English journal and news paper.
In Paksitan the English spoken or reading class cant bring any kind of change as monopoly of governance is in hands of selfish and educated illiterates who use majority less educated class as their driving force.
I dont know whether you agree me or not but hiring and sacking is normal phenomena in running any business and industry.
Have you hired any persons for longer period around you.
I do it and this strange thing I find that workers are not trust worthy for longer period you should replace your team after few years.(
People start cheating you , they develop many diversions during their duties. Oh yes good manager should be well kept,paid and selected on the base of his/her honesty and truthfulness.
I have seen even in very good companies that lower staff loose their credibility after a specific time.So owners do it.
Dear Ms. Nazia and friends,
If I am not wrong the Express Tribune has hired an old Dawn Hand I.E. M Ziauddin as an Editor. I wonder what would be the policy of Express Tribune?? Or would it be another Rag like others.
Dawn News reporter’s house attacked Tuesday, 19 Jan, 2010
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Thirteen spymasters gather to stare at each other
By Azaz Syed Friday, 09 Oct, 2009 http://letusbuildpakistan.blogspot.com/2009/10/pa…
On the night of Nov 27-28, 2009, my house in Wah, where my wife and daughter and I had come to celebrate Eidul Azha, was fired upon six times by a high velocity firearm, probably a Kalashnikov (on single shot mode) judging from the half-inch deep and two-inch across holes in the concrete wall of the bedroom above ours, possibly a Takharov 30 MM pistol, popularly known as ‘TT Pistol’ in the Land of the Pure. There was no sound of a motor vehicle driving away, suggesting professional hit-men who had probably parked their vehicle a way away towards the main GT Road and then calmly walked to it after doing their deed. There is more: at exactly 17:33 on Nov 28, 2009, I received a telephone call from a woman speaking in uneducated Urdu and using a mobile phone (0300-274-9185). She asked if I was Kamran Shafi. When I said I was, she said that what had happened to me last night was just the ‘trailer’ and that the complete movie would also be shown.
When I asked why any of this should happen, she said, ‘One does not spit in the plate one eats from’, and that if I was not careful about what I write I would soon see the complete movie. I am a pensioner of the Pakistan Army, getting the princely sum of Rs1,200 a month, by the way. FIR No 827 has been registered at the Wah Cantonment PS in which I have in an additional application said that I suspect an ‘agency’ of doing the deed. In it, up to our necks By Kamran Shafi Tuesday, 01 Dec, 2009
My earlier comment are in moderation: Azaz Syed [Dawn]’s Correspondent was attacked because of this story:
Convict in Musharraf attack case denied appeal By Azaz Syed and Matiullah Jan Sunday, 24 Jan, 2010
"QUOTE"
“I filed an appeal before Maj-Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha [current ISI Chief and the then military judge hearing appeals against conviction] who merely completed the procedural formality before upholding my sentence,” Younis said in his note. “He did not provide a lawyer or summon my witness and did not even care for my refusal to depose before him.”
"UNQUOTE"
DAWN IS CIA AGENT THAT'S WHY IT HAS PUBLISHED PRO US NEWS REPORT ABOVE:)))
Mughal
we accept too much from people and their acts.
Hameed harron has a fine history of one of educated class of Paksitan and noway he is compared to any seth like activity.
he might has personal interests/ talent of writings, different human values, less inclination toward Islam but he has given Pakistan a fine standard in English journal and news paper.
People living with books and theory are always different than people handle manpower in real life.
Like Abdul sittar edhi cant take the place of hameed haron and same haroon cant pass a day as EdHI spend his whole life
In Paksitan the English spoken or reading class cant bring any kind of change as monopoly of governance is in hands of selfish and educated illiterates who use majority less educated class as their driving force.
I dont know whether you agree with me or not but hiring and sacking is normal phenomena in running any business and industry.It is found in high rates even first world who are still champion of human attitude and rights for all.
Have you hired any persons for longer period around you.
I do it and this strange thing I find that workers are not trust worthy for longer period you should replace your team after few years.Remember my human side is very strong and I am notorious in my circle of pampering workers too much but I do it on the basis of human values"
People start cheating you more when you give them resposnsibity surely with incentives, they develop many diversions during their duties.
Oh yes good manager should be well kept,paid and selected on the base of his/her honesty and truthfulness.
I have seen even in very good companies that lower staff loose their credibility after a specific time.So owners swap them.
Our universities are producing excessive stuff without matching the demand and huge unemployment is the basic reason that people accept low pay in an initial contract.
So when somebody is fired it is not one reasons but many reason behind a story.Other wise hard worker and honest employee is asset of an company but if the company holders have some other plans other than productions then they have different ways to tackle the manpower.
An Open Letter to all Journalists: Would GEO/Jang Group publish the names? An Open Letter to all Journalists (courtesy pkpolitics.com) http://www.yousufnazar.com/?p=869
I have seen even in very good companies that lower staff loose their credibility after a specific time. So owners do it.
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If owners [read Newspapers] discard old people [mostly low paid staff] then they shouldn't behave like holier than thou [editorial of newspapers often do that rather they are indulged in it and Daily Dawn is included which was founded allegedly by Jinnah and what a shame that the Chief Guest of DAWNTV opening ceremony was A MILITARY DICTATOR GENERAL MUSHARRAF, Jinnah the Barrister and a Democrat must be kicking himself in his grave] instead they should compare themselves with "Brothels" where aged Hussies are sacked. Shamelessly the Dawn talks about "Freedom Of Press" nowadays whereas after 911 one of its correspondent Faraz Hashmi asked a very embarrassing question from Musharraf in a Press Conference about the use and abuse of US Aid coming to Fight the so-called War on Terror and Musharraf [usually like a Khurpa] misbehaved with that Journalist in a live press conference and within two days Mr. Faraz Hashmi was attacked by "Unknown Persons" who brutally beat Faraz to pulp.
Why the Dawn Group forgotten the whole affairs when they invited Musharraf to inaugurate DAWN NEWS TV. Abdullah Hussain Haroon was about to become Governor Sindh in 1999/2000 but in the last minute Musharraf changed his mins and from the next day the Editorial Section/Opinion Section [often publish columns of Professor Ghafoor, Qazi Hussain Ahmed and Professor Khursheed and other Political Maulvis of Pakistan] in the Dawn started Guns blazing against Musharraf Regime. The born again Democrat Javed Jabbar [was information minister in Musharraf Martial Law Regime in 1999 /2000] when an Army Team in Uniform from KESC raided the Dawn's Office in Karachi to check the Electricity Theft and from the next day the Dawn Spider Magazine unleashed a campaign against Javed Jabbar [who is also now in Pildat and found everything bad in Martial Law and Musharraf after serving his cabinet like Shafqat Mehmood (writes in the News) and Mubashir Luqman (in ExpressNews and seeking faults in Musharraf Regime after serving his caretaker cabinet in Punjab). The PHPL [Pakistan Herald Publication Limited] took another somersault during the start of the last days of Musharraf and unleashed protest campaign in the garb of Press Freedom [I have compiled 4 part posts from Daily Dawn's own material kindly read and analyse yourself the level of third rate character of the owners of PHPL 1 – The Dawn Media Group & Violation of Journalist's Rights – 1
Talking about News International and Integrity. There is a person by the name of Qari Hilal who is a PA [a king maker in Jang Group] of Mir Shakil ur Rehman and the best word for him is "Pimp" because only those survive in Jang who supply "Imported Whiskey to Qari Hilal" – About Kamran Khan: He most of the time sit in PC and with their Management [Kamran is a close friend of Hashwani] and enjoy sumptuous lunch and dinner [Awab Alvi was worried as to why PC Workers were not given coverage in GEO] and by the way Kamran was a regular visitor of the Office of Brigadier Imtiaz [since the days when Imtiaz was Colonel] from late 80s to 1992, I mean Brigadier Imtiaz and Kamran Khan traveled everywhere together [when Imtiaz was in ISI then Kamran used to meet him there and when Imtiaz became Number 1 in IB then Money pit, Car, Free Petrol, Mobile Phone (those days Kamran used to ride Honda 70) were put at the disposal of Kamran Khan.
Pakistan airstrike kills 71 civilians: official
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100413/ap_on_re_as/a…
isn't this worth discussing ?
My take on it here
Indeed Sir, it is worth discussing because Human life is sacred and innocent human life is even more sacred and you have raised a genuine issue here because Media that includes Express Tribune have been discussing and highlighting "the issue of Hazara/Abbotabad" in the name of NWFP renaming [the issue got out of hand as soon PML-Q League leaders met with Musharraf in Dubai] whereas there is complete blackout [read censored] on the news mentioned by you "Collateral Murder"
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Now back to the Dawn being a CIA Agent: پاکستانی فوج کے ترجمان اس خبر پر ردعمل کے لیے دستیاب نہیں تھے۔
اعزاز سید نے بی بی سی کو بتایا کہ وہ پاکستانی فوج کے بارے میں ایک تحقیقی رپورٹ پر کام کر رہے تھے جسے روکنے کے لیے، ان کے بقول، ’گزشتہ دنوں آئی ایس آئی کے اعلیٰ افسران نے انہیں اپنے دفتر طلب کر کے سنگین نتائج کی دھمکیاں دی تھیں۔ان افسران کا کہنا تھا کہ آئی ایس آئی کے سربراہ مجھ سے خوش نہیں ہیں لہذا مجھے اپنی رپورٹنگ میں قومی سلامتی سے متعلق اداروں اور افراد کے نام لینے سے پرہیز کرنا چاہئے‘۔
’ڈان نیوز‘ انتظامیہ کے بیان میں کہا گیا ہے کہ وہ اس واقعے کے بارے میں صدر مملکت، وزیراعظم، وزیردفاع، وزیرداخلہ اور وزیراطلاعات کے علاوہ فوجی حکام اور صحافتی اور انسانی حقوق کی تنظیموں کو بھی مراسلے بھیج رہے ہیں تاکہ اس جرم میں ملوث افراد کو بے نقاب کرنے کے لیے اعلی سطحی تحقیقات کی جائیں۔
صدر مملکت کے نام لکھے گئے خط میں ڈان نیوز کی انتظامیہ نے کہا کہ ’ڈان نیوز‘ کے صحافیوں کو اس سے پہلے بھی بعض افسران کی جانب سے ہراساں کیا جاتا رہا ہے۔ خط میں آئی ایس آئی کے ایک افسر کا نام، فون نمبر اور عہدہ بھی بتایا گیا ہے جس نے مبینہ طور پر اعزاز سید اور چینل کے ایک اور رپورٹر مطیع اللہ جان اور ان کے اہل خانہ کو ہراساں کرنے کی کوشش کی تھی
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2010/01/100119…
ڈان نیوز کے صحافی کے گھر پرحملہ
آصف فاروقی
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، اسلام آباد
اعزاز سید کا کہنا ہے کہ گزشتہ دنوں آئی ایس آئی کے اعلیٰ افسران نے انہیں اپنے دفتر طلب کر کے سنگین نتائج کی دھمکیاں دی تھیں
تیرہ:’درجنوں شہری ہلاک‘
خیبر ایجنسی میں کوکی خیل قبائلیوں نےالزام عائد کیا ہے کہ سنیچر کےروز
فضائیہ کی بمباری میں ہلاک ہونےوالے شدت پسند نہیں بلکہ عام شہری تھے۔
آخری وقت اشاعت: بدھ 14 اپريل 2010 , 03:47 GMT 08:47 PST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2010/04/100414…
Al says:- April 13, 2010 at 12:22 am – I think Amir Mughal is an automated computer script. It cannot be humanly possible to remember so many references & quote at the speed that Mr. Mughal quotes at.
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The Fatwa of Alim on Line of GEO AND GEO'S CONNIVANCE WITH USA: PRESS RELEASES VOA Launches Urdu TV For Pakistan
11/13/2005 http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/pakistan/h05111301…
Mughal
you talk like idealistic person and I dont know how you worked in IB like notorious department.Really on regular basis I hear that how people of IB are bribed(on demand) by locals for expediting their illegal and sometime for legal jobs too.
In matters of arms deal, car theft, loan defaulters, security agencies all people give regular bahatta to these officials.
Haron uses Jinnah name for marketing just like other influential people/group to impress others, same he might did to praise Musharraf for expanding his business ventures without any hurdle from MQM people who were align with Musharraf those days.
So there might be another reasons but instead of running to other countries and invest on western companies Harron like people preferred to shake hands with dictators for survival.
If I am not wrong Dawn was warned many times on Baluchistan issues and many times received threats not to cover Baluchistan area in Musharraf regime.
Kamran khan was twice attacked by knife in his start of career(done by mqm people) so he, perhaps would have made relations with influential groups to raise his middle class status.
So sometime working in harsh and brutal environment where any time you can be killed by unknown and no body will pursue for justice.People either prefer to run away to safe heavens or shake hands with alligators of drains.
Any how nobody can dare to challenge your on hand experience and it is valuable to learn the difference of personality behaviors(open and close) under your real observations
Teetho,
Now would you cover the story of civilians killed? In the name of unbiased journalism? or would you take it easy until the next flogging video?
guys please do not tease Amir mughal..
To hell with the so-called mainstream media which didn't report this news. Only Jasarat did this Jasarat to publish the news of killings of dozens of innocent pakistanis by own forces.
http://www.jasarat.com/unicode/detail.php?categor…
@Talkbaba
Funny thing is even ALL western mainstream media/AP/AFP/Reuters are reporting this. Though Dawn did carry the story yesterday:
Villagers claim many civilians slain during operation
But half of it carries denials by the military. BTW: Why do they have to ask? Shouldn't they be "reporting" from the scene? (And don't miss the last part of the story: it tells us 13 more CIVILIANS were killed in another attack by the army — see how they hide the news?? 😉 )
And to add insult to injury, today Dawn carried this from the ISPR Liar-in-Chief:
US reviewing ‘Swat operation’ as model: Athar Abbas
Dear Ms. Nazia,
My replies to your queries are as under:
Nazia says: = April 14, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Mughal you talk like idealistic person and I don't know how you worked in IB like notorious department.
MAM: I worked there for 11 years successfully and honorably resigned before 911. No department is notorious it is the personalities and their deeds which give bad name to the institution e.g. Islam and Masjid are not bad but followers could be.
Really on regular basis I hear that how people of IB are bribed(on demand) by locals for expediting their illegal and sometime for legal jobs too.
MAM: This is again not IB Specific because even the common Chungi Naka [Toll Tax Kiosk] is known for this.
If I am not wrong Dawn was warned many times on Baluchistan issues and many times received threats not to cover Baluchistan area in Musharraf regime.
MAM: Lets say that Dawn was warned on Baluchistan but then again read the date of Bugi's death and Musharraf's presiding the opening ceremony of DAWNNEWS.
Kamran khan was twice attacked by knife in his start of career(done by mqm people).
MAM: Believe me it was a Drama.
I fully agree on your feed back and I have already told you that I have no point to negate you in your field.
I told you idealistic that you accept too much from people.You say(pl don't take personally)
I worked there for 11 years successfully and honorably resigned before 911
You resigned at this experience when people get control on their specific field and here you resigned.
You preferred you personal reasons on national duty or might be circumstances would have been created against you and you quit .
So resign itself from your post or duty is given up or retrieve back from your assigned responsibility.
Instead of this people or majority cant afford this give up and try to go for favorable options for their least survival.Financial constraints and typical eastern burden like responsibility can be one reason behind this moral defeat so people live wihtout knowing its consequences on the long run.
Institutes are recognized in any state by their repute and performance but personalities create differences even in notorious departments.One cant accept the lady of modesty from relight area and if exists there nobody would believe on her.
So I am just telling you on the basis of what I heard from locals.
You say kamran khan created drama.
You know when Karachi core commander was attacked in karachi clifton bridge I took same stance on this high profile drama where 15 solderer were killed and none of bullet touched gen ehsan and his son,just like sultan rahee.
In the same evening when in morning time that incident was happend, GEN visited in his black BMW to Karachi Clifton Agha outlet without any security and whole public watched his half glass down careless attitude.
So in country where dead bodies of innocent people are piled to creating drama , so why kamran cant do it.
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You know when Karachi core commander was attacked in karachi clifton bridge I took same stance on this high profile drama where 15 solderer were killed and none of bullet touched gen ehsan and his son,just like sultan rahee. In the same evening when in morning time that incident was happend, GEN visited in his black BMW to Karachi Clifton Agha outlet without any security and whole public watched his half glass down careless attitude.
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Excellent. Wah. Are you sure that you don't work for any outfit:)))
I am not at all an idealist and my resign was purely on personal reasons. You won't believe me but they were even ready to give me One Year leave with salary. There wasn't any conspiracy or harsh working conditions against me there rather I was enjoying a very Independent environment. I write "don't take it personally" because I don't like to pass taunting personal/insulting comment on anybody what to talk of a woman.
Nazia,
Amir is working on his pickup lines,
" I write “don’t take it personally” because I don’t like to pass taunting personal/insulting comment on anybody what to talk of a woman."
Mughal
You have started taunt in first pahse of my arguments in which I alway found that you are very critical on people . anyhow now it is exaggerating my inquisitive nature .
IB has made an image of something suspicious under some corrupt bosses .Few are like that
Pakistan agent held over 'bomb'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6217332.stm
Omar Sheikh, alleged mastermind of Daniel Pearl kidnapping, had surrendered to Brigadier Ijaz (Rtd) when he was serving as home secretary of Punjab
His another achievements are remebered as
Role in Benazir's Assassination Attempt
Days after the 2007 Karachi bombings, Benazir Bhutto in a letter to President Musharaf written on 16 October 2007 named Ijaz Shah as one of the four persons including the then chief minister of Punjab Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi, the then chief minister of Sindh Arbab Ghulam and the former ISI chief Hamid Gul she suspected were behind the attacks.
Role in Syed Hammad Raza's Assassination
Government insiders also claim that Ex ISI Chief Ijaz Shah's name is constantly linked with the Syed Hammad Raza's Assassination Investigation and then swept under the carpet, "It smells of his Operation", whether directly or indirectly he is involved. Ijaz Shah in recent times has been known to be Musharraf’s right hand man and has been rumored to be involved in all his Covert operations that made him widely unpopular, Missing Peoples case, Sacking of Chief Justice, Syed Hammad Murder case, Indian terror attacks etc naming a few. Ijaz Shah has been rewarded generously since his alignment with Musharraf and is currently residing in Australia – Sydney after initially having his residency rejected due to terror links. The source further added since ISI are involved this case like all important cases will never be solved.
He and his brothers were awarded by luxurious bungalows in bharia town and during mulan aziz detention in malik riaz phase 8 guest house after lal mosque mishap he was regular visitor of maluana shaib in his private car convoy who was covering his black bmw
Intelligence network collapsed: ex-IB chief
http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/11/nat24.htm http://www.dawn.com/2004/02/26/top8.htm
And not last but all know the character of Brigader billa when he was IB chief.
Now take the example of a person who is saying me
my resign was purely on personal reasons. You won’t believe me(I believe you) but they were even ready to give me One Year leave with salary. There wasn’t any conspiracy or harsh working conditions against me there rather I was enjoying a very Independent environment.
So again take my objection in light way that your country and organization has given you the best working conditions but again you prefer your personal reason and her is my point that things get misshaping when people give priorities to personal reasons on national objectives.
I told you your research work is excellent and you correlated it well with past realities and your country was badly in need of people like you if you say that everything was favorable for you.
I can assure you that I have no link with any outfits and you can consider me one of satisfied class of Pakistan whom country has given every thing and I am all time ready to offer my services on difficult situation and needy people to pay back my country and its people.
For this purpose sometime my personal security was on risk but my national responsibility overcome my personal interests and you got such a blunt truth that looks my link with an outfit.
I can prove you after such drama gen Ahsan and his whole family even his dumb wife was awarded through defense budget in the name of creating fake educational board of army public schools under her custody in Rawalpindi.
Dear Ms. Nazia,
Sorry if you took it that way but it was an appreciation "Excellent – Wah" for what you said on General Ehsan because what you written is very much closer to the truth.
Nazia says: – April 15, 2010 at 10:49 am – http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6217332.stm
Intelligence network collapsed: ex-IB chief
http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/11/nat24.htm http://www.dawn.com/2004/02/26/top8.htm
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I have served under Billa and Masood Sharif Khan Khattak. Billa was reincarnation of devil [pure and simple], Khattak Sahab was far better than many. He wasn't fir for the Intelligence Job because he wasn't cunning and mean. Brigadier Ejaz Shah was a cuckload [I am censoring the original slang] and once he indirectly helped Benazir and Zardari and that story was done by Kamran Khan against Senator Saif during the second tenure of Nawaz Sharif, glimpse of that story had republished –
"QUOTE"
One source claimed that it was Ejaz Shah who was the head of anti-narcotics force in 1998, when the-then Nawaz Sharif regime tried to involve Asif Ali Zardari in a narcotics case through him. But he refused and later the Nawaz regime booked Zardari in the same fake case through the Punjab police. It is also viewed by some government circles that the head of a civilian intelligence agency is a soft target for the PPP and the real target is the boss of Ejaz Shah, who is no doubt General Pervez Musharraf. REFERENCE: Why Benazir points finger at IB chief Saturday, October 20, 2007
By Hamid Mir http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
"UNQUOTE"
Mughal you are intentionally avoiding my real point.
Believe me I have no interest about your job goals and activities of bosses as it is available in our media.
I am not interested what is your actual personal reason that you quit your job while working in comfortable environment and it is very rare in our govt circle.
My point is very very simple that it is all personal reasons that make diversions in the line of duty.Some touche height of selfishness and greed and some cover their head under sand and some are quit early after achieving excellence in their respective field.
Look mughal it is very easy to throw stones on alligators while standing on bridge but crossing river through different hide and seek methods and adopting changing methodology to counter worst on the way of crossing is more difficult job.
So in line of duty in our corrupt system people react differently which you always highlight very critically.
You know that rauf klausr, abassi like journalist have underground in contact with bureaucracy and these honest but hidden people leak inner stories to these journalists.
They are watching all corruption but know cant control it so they prefer to leak it to public.
So sometime people react like that and have no guts to afford confrontation.
People should be given benefit of doubts and even small kind of good act should be praised.
Nazia says: – April 15, 2010 at 10:54 pm – Mughal you are intentionally avoiding my real point. I am not interested what is your actual personal reason that you quit your job while working in comfortable environment and it is very rare in our govt circle.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
I am not avoiding your queries at all. Let me repeat again "I quit because of personal reasons and reason was related with Personal Honour, and Emotional Feelings." Nothing is greater than Honour and Emotional Feeling and now read attentively "Pakistan and National Interest can both take a hike when one's honour is at stake.
You know that rauf klausr, abassi like journalist have underground in contact with bureaucracy and these honest but hidden people leak inner stories to these journalists.
They are watching all corruption but know cant control it so they prefer to leak it to public. So sometime people react like that and have no guts to afford confrontation. People should be given benefit of doubts and even small kind of good act should be praised.
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Least said is better because I know these so-called "Investigative Reports" are "filed" in the national dailies. I know because during services I often used to spend my times in the News Rooms of The News International, Jasarat, Weekly Takbeer and even Dawn. So please don't tell me about these Corruption stories [Half Truth].
Nazia says: – April 15, 2010 at 10:54 pm – You know that rauf klausr, abassi like journalist have underground in contact with bureaucracy and these honest but hidden people leak inner stories to these journalists.
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Here is the glimpse:
Five journalists who were in the waiting list are:
1- Rauf Klasra, Cat-II, Seniority Number-29
2- Amir Mateen, Cat-II, Seniority Number-14
3- Kiani Khaleeq Ahmad Khan, Cat-II, Seniority Number-25
4- Javed Chaudhry, Cat-II, Seniority Number-20
Journalist Corruption Scandal – Rauf Klasra http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/20/journalist-corru…
Jibran
Thanks for your warning
I know you wont help me in this way as this would be happiest moment for you when mughal would pass insulting remarks on me.
You can use your fuel too as 1+1 always gives power of 11 in such matters.
Check it out:
http://pakistanmediawatch.com/2010/04/14/amir-mat…
Mughal
That is again your personal way of thinking .
You cant integrate it for the whole system.People have serious liabilities, weak moments , Shaky personality and brittle faith on God and the would take no time to even sacrifice their state of honor in few jerks emerging from the system.
I know many women who are being physically and verbally abused by their husband, in laws on daily basis but due to weak back up and for securing their kids under father domain they kill standard of self respect and passing lives as normal human being.
I know many people working in harsh environment with rude bosses as they have strong net work of liabilities in the form of old and sick parents, extremely humble wives who cant manage to share the professional problems of husband and in this circumstances of solitary struggle for whole family they usually sacrifice their self respect and accept the direction of wind.
I have seen many humble wives and husbands who cant control the erotic desires of their flirtatious spouses and bury their state of honor just for passing time as they have co courage to tackle it.
And in some cases whole family support each other for difficult situations or many among them always look for loop holes to get short cut through all hook and crook ways in a life span.Here honour and self respect is consider as minor as possible.
Here I would like to give you example of shaukat aziz.he witnessed serious scams like sugar,LNG and fuel prices etc in his tenure but he never took any step toward public's welfare .If he raised any objection , he restricted to only PM and when PM didnt listen to him he resigned on the basis of saving his ego and self respect.
He was accepted position of minister, a representative of people in a govt.He was given by best incentives and lucrative offers during that assignment.
He has passed most part of his life in the best way of living but you see he has no courage to face the reality.
In recent LNG case it was efforts of rauf klausar and SC that raised this issue otherwise he has opted to run away like coward woman just for saving his new business ventures.
So I can put him in the case where people quit the resistance to save their soul from hardships a real duty which our dying nation is badly in need.
Easiest thing to pass judgment on other people.
Al says: = April 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm Easiest thing to pass judgment on other people.
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Nazia says: April 16, 2010 at 11:23 am Mughal That is again your personal way of thinking. You cant integrate it for the whole system.People have serious liabilities, weak moments , Shaky personality and brittle faith on God and the would take no time to even sacrifice their state of honor in few jerks emerging from the system. Here I would like to give you example of shaukat aziz.he witnessed serious scams like sugar,LNG and fuel prices etc in his tenure but he never took any step toward public’s
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Dear A1 and Ms. Nazia
I am not passing judgement on anybody, just trying to share what I saw very closely. By the way don't even take the name of Shaukat Tareen. I know what he is and I know him thoroughly since the day he was appointed as the President of largest Pakistani Bank i.e. HBL in 1997 by Nawaz Sharif. One of the reason of HBL's ruination is Shaukat Tareen [who was earlier in charge of only 300 employees of CITI BANK] and the [IMF/WB/CITI BANK BANKERS] Team he brought in with him in HBL to head an organization of more than 25, 000 employees and what he and his Imported Team did after that was inhuman to core. He brutally sacked more than 300 hard working Pakistani executives [who had given their whole lives in making HBL a profitable bank] in the name of Golden Handshake [READ IRON KICK], and Rightsizing and Downsizing and appointed bunch of "Imported Wife Swingers Executives from CITI BANK" (Shaukat Tareen is now a Billionaire thanks to the manipulation when he was in HBL].
The others who were sent from IMF/WB to ruin Pakistan during those days are as:
1 – Zubyr Soomro [Former Chief of UBL]
2 – Muhammad Mian Soomro [Former Chief of NBP]
3 – Dr Yaqoob [Former Chief of SBP]
4 – Dr Ishrat Hussain [Former Chief of SBP]
Please don't tell me about Shaukats [both of Tareen and Aziz] and their so-called Honesty.
@Aamir Mughal: I was referring to Nazia not you when i said it is the easiest thing to pass judgement on other people because she was implying it was selfish of you to leave your job.
Al says: April 16, 2010 at 3:46 pm @Aamir Mughal: I was referring to Nazia
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Oops! Sorry
Mughal
I placed shaukat tareen like people as real traitors of Pakistan and they are real culprits of Pakistan who are reasons of actual downfall of economic development in our country.
His second tenure as finance minister
If HBL employees who preferred to take shake hand at that moment foresee situation and would have adopted rebellious attitude against shuakat tareen on the basis of technical reasons,situation could have been different but as you say they picked personal reasons instead of national duty which was to secure the national asset whom they have given their valuable time and energy.
Their easy way to shauakt aziz made him hero and he was projected as savior of HBL at that phase.
f HBL employees who preferred to take shake hand at that moment foresee situation and would have adopted rebellious attitude against shuakat tareen on the basis of technical reasons [Nazia]
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Yahi to museebat hai kay aap ko kutch pata nahin hai aur na hi aap sunnay ko tayyar hein.
They were forcibly removed [Tareen and Co handed them the Golden Hand Shake Letters and kicked their butts off] many of the senior officers suffered heart attacks and died on spot and same happened in UBL.
Mughal
So you are telling me that these people had heart attack instead of reverting back unjustified acts of shaukat aziz.
I think these weak people have no resistance power on the basis of their experience and qualification.
When experience people are fired by illegal ways it means it is end of world for them??
They cant prove their credibility in any other company and banks.
I also met one president of HBL in these days living in gulshan iqbal area and he told me that golden shake hand was much lucrative offer as to carry on jobs on under pressure.
So please dont give me example of people who lose heart at first jerk.It is their weakness not strength standing against wrong doings
They could have prove their professional credibility by taking different options.They could have challenged tareen and co in courts as done by Steel mill in which every thing went against even president and prim minister too.
Nazia says: – April 17, 2010 at 1:07 am – Mughal So you are telling me that these people had heart attack instead of reverting back unjustified acts of shaukat aziz.
MAM: Its Shaukat Tareen and I am not telling you fairy tales , you can check the newspapers and Court Record.
I think these weak people have no resistance power on the basis of their experience and qualification. When experience people are fired by illegal ways it means it is end of world for them?? They cant prove their credibility in any other company and banks.
MAM: Hello! Ms. Nazia!!! Are you living in Pakistan or West? Do you know the Saturation in Employment in Pakistan???? Jobs are not available in market like two bit bubble gums.
So please dont give me example of people who lose heart at first jerk. [Nazia]
MAM: Have you EVER faced a situation when someone closer and loved one has lost his/her life due to the circumstances I mentioned above. Have some heart and if you cannot sympathize then at least don't pass judgment on somebody's misery.
It is their weakness not strength standing against wrong doings They could have prove their professional credibility by taking different options.They could have challenged tareen and co in courts as done by Steel mill in which every thing went against even president and prim minister too.
MAM: Courts, Judges, Lawyers: You wanted to know the Secrets of State so let me share only one: "one judge was under enquiry to be confirmed and elevate to the higher courts so he was standing outside his house without shoes to receive the Enquiry Officers [much lower in rank then the Judge] and that Judge addressing the Enquiry Officer "Yaar Accountability Court Mein Lagwado" – Another Top Lawyers [son of a top judge] who was being inserted in High Court "visited" an Office and offered a Broken Chair and Pepsi Cola [not even chilled] and he was behaving like a PIMP.
You want more? Be my guest.