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Will the Supreme Court get the parliamentarians’ degrees verified?

A dozen or so of these unworthy parliamentarians have been already disqualified on grounds of fake degrees. Many more continue to be our MNAs and MPAs. For how long shall we suffer and tolerate these unethical characters?

Why must the SC not task the HEC to verify their degrees and get rid of those who entered the parliament on the basis of deception and fraud. Regardless of their party, they must be removed and also made ineligible for any future elections.

Here is an appeal to Supreme Court requesting suo moto action. If you are sufficiently moved, do write a supporting letter to the SC CJ or a letter to Pakistani newspapers.

Mr. Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry
Honorable Chief Justice
Supreme Court of Pakistan.

Re: Request to take Suo Moto Notice in the Public Interest against Parliamentarians with Fake Degrees

Dear Sir,

For over a decade there has been a proliferation in the acquisition and use of fake degrees. This unethical practice took a new direction when the government made a bachelor’s degree a requirement for entering parliament. Many parliamentarians, who did not meet the required educational qualifications took the easy route and obtained fake degree certificates.

Several members of the provincial and national assemblies have been exposed by their opponents and media, resulting in them losing their seats. Some 40 of them have been challenged in courts, while many other fake degree holders continue to retain their parliamentary seats.

The new law has removed the degree requirement. This however does not mean that those who used deception in the past should either continue to be our lawmakers or be allowed to contest forthcoming elections or bye-elections.

The interest of Pakistan and the common interest of all citizens is seriously compromised by law-makers who indulge in such unethical and fraudulent practices.

We therefore appeal to the Supreme Court to order the Higher Education Commission (HEC) to urgently verify the authenticity of the educational qualifications of all parliamentarians. The HEC is mandated to perform this task and to maintain educational standards in the country.

Those found to have used fake documents to enter parliament may be removed from parliament and disqualified from entering this honorable body again.

Applicants:
Isa Daudpota & Naeem Sadiq


49 Comments

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Will the Supreme Court get the parliamentarians’ degrees verified? Posted by naeem sadiq April 25, 2010

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    What about Judges Qualification?? A glimpse!

    RAWALPINDI, April 11: The flogging of a teenage girl in Swat does not portray the true picture of Islam as it is not clear whether or not the exact procedure for convicting her under religious laws was adopted and who had issued the Hadd and under what authority. This was stated by senior most judge of the Lahore High Court Justice Khwaja Mohammad Sharif while addressing a Mehfil-i-Milad arranged by the Lahore High Court Bar Association (LHBA) here on Saturday. The recently reinstated judge of the LHC said irrespective of the fact whether the video was real or fake, it was a conspiracy to malign Islam and bring a bad name to Pakistan showing the world that Islam was a religion of extremism. Girl’s flogging not true picture of Islam, says LHC judge By Our Reporter Sunday, 12 Apr, 2009 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    NOTE: If Flogging is not Islamic as LHC Judge says then what about “Milad”??? Is Milad Islamic and if it is then where it is ordered in Sunnah to hold Milad Processions and Gatherings. Without even verification the Lahore High Court says that Flogging is not True Picture of Islam [Sunnah says it is very much Islamic to flog who is guilty]. I wonder if CJ [LHC) Khawaja Mohammad Sharif does even know about the Bida'at [Innovation] of celebrating of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]'s Milad in the light of Quran and Sunnah for which Judiciary has suddenly found a place in every decision making particularly in any proccedding related with Zardari, Politicians and Elected Parliament.

  • AHR |

    t is unprofessional and irresponsible for journalists such as Ansar Abbasi to mislead the public by misinforming them of the facts. I should have been studying for my exams instead of writing this article. But since what was written in the newspaper was so outrageous and deceiving, I am going to be getting an earful from my parents about procrastinating on my academics. Thanks a lot The News!

    http://ahraza.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/ansar-abba

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Judiciary has suddenly found a place in every decision making particularly in any proccedding related with Zardari, Politicians and Elected Parliament. I wonder if Judiciary is even aware of Islamic Laws [not a single Judge in the Supreme Court has a beard -do correct me if i am wrong] – Islamic Knowledge and Judiciary: If Hasba Bill was right [AS PER QURAN AND SUNNAH] then why did the JI [under MMA] accepted the SC Decision and if it was wrong then why Hasba Bill was presented at all and if both the statement are wrong then what was the need to exploit the name of Islam to get some vote. Either Judiciary is against Quran and Sunnah or Mullahs presented the wrong bill: Hasba bill infringes personal freedom: SC By Nasir Iqbal September 1, 2005 Thursday Rajab 26, 1426 http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/01/top4.htm MMA to accept SC decision: Durrani By Anwar Iqbal July 18, 2005 Monday Jumadi-us-Sani 10, 1426 http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/18/top2.htm

  • QaimKhani |

    Aisee batain naa karain, hamarey sadar sahib kaa kiaa hogaa?

    Suna hai kah mosooof matric bhee chapaee karkey pass hoey they, woh to qismat nai unkee latree nikaal deee yaa parhee likheee BB andheee ho gaeeen kah gadhey bhee President of Pakistan bann gaeee.

    Warnaa to iss mulkh main to parhey likhey Amir Mughal jaison ko bhee job nahee miltee hai.

  • Raza M.Qureshi |

    Suprem court must varify the degrees of all parliamentarians,and members of all assemblies, so that all the fake degree holders must be thrown out from their seats. To start this mission, lets start from the president,PM,Governors,Chief ministers and all the ministers, and who so ever found guilty must be severely punished.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      and who so ever found guilty must be severely punished.

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      Yes indeed all of them they should severely be punished:

      OATH UNDER PCO UNDER MUSHARRAF:

      Five judges elevated to SC Bureau Report [Daily Dawn Feb 2000] ISLAMABAD, Feb 2: The government elevated five judges to the Supreme Court on Wednesday. According to a notification, the president has appointed Justice Rashid Aziz, Chief Justice, Lahore High Court; Justice Nazim Hussain Siddiqui, Chief Justice Sindh High Court; Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, Chief Justice, Balochistan High Court; Qazi Farooq, former chief justice of Peshawar High Court; and Justice Rana Bhagwan Das, judge, Sindh High Court, judges of the Supreme Court. After the elevation of Justice Rashid Aziz Khan to the SC, Justice Mohammad Allah Nawaz has been appointed Chief Justice of Lahore High Court. Justice Deedar Hussain Shah has been appointed Chief Justice of Sindh High Court and Justice Javed Iqbal Chief Justice of Balochistan High Court. After these appointments, the number of SC judges has risen to 12, leaving five posts vacant. Reference: Five judges elevated to SC Bureau Report [Daily Dawn 5th February 2000]

      Chaudhry Iftikhar named new CJ [Daily Dawn 2005] By Our Staff Reporter ISLAMABAD, May 7: President Pervez Musharraf on Saturday appointed Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, the senior most judge of the Supreme Court, as the next chief justice. He will assume the office on June 30 after retirement of the incumbent Chief Justice, Justice Nazim Hussain Siddiqui, on June 29. Reference: Caudhry Iftikhar named new CJ By Our Staff Reporter May 8, 2005 Sunday Rabi-ul-Awwal 28, 1426 http://www.dawn.com/2005/05/08/top4.htm

    • Nazia |

      Mughal

      I dont know whether you were part of that intelligence team which was specially designed in Musharraf period to dig bones of past of judiciary and run the defame campaign against judiciary or not but you are 100% fit for this job

      .

      We all take cover up of fake religious guild during/after our jobs and sinful lives.

      We have all time justification of our wrong doings even through religious channels on the name of doing our duties for our least survivals.

      This is some kind of camouflage like situation or might be part of our traditional faith which moves mostly around religious make over for creating timely fake impressions to audience or people dealing with us in daily life.

      SC surprisingly has gotten support of public and their most decisions are now favoring public mood.This way they are filling the widen gap of executives of state and public.This should be job of govt or parliament but all ignore the public interests .Here SC hears the sound of public so people are ignoring their past mistakes which you are trying your best to postmortem it again and again.

      I don't know how this change can make a difference or might be drama as you predict but people always favors them who speak on their behalf.First Bhutto did it then our army tried but all failed .This time SC has taken this task so if people from educated circle wouldn't favor them, they might go back to their old track which is very attractive, lucrative and quite safe in our typical system of dictators.

  • Nazia |

    Degrees of Pakistan cant raise the moral and political stature of any person.Pakistan is being destroyed by its so called educated class and it is our hardworking of laborers , skills of farmers and technicians, bravery of low cadre soldiers, and long working hours of lower staff that is running the state business.

    India railway ministry is being run by an illiterate and the most funniest character of Indian politics and it is showing profit.

    So Pakistan political characters are being targeted to humiliate in public by this way through army literates.

    During Musharraf regime this funniest BA like condition was raised by stone headed gen Naqvi just to harass few political characters.Under his nose lot of political characters bought degrees from universities.Nobody dare to touched those characters who shook hands with army mafia.Same thing was reverted for zardari to secure him under cover of our khaki uniforms.

    They all deserve such kind of public humiliation as they all time wrongly favored military men just for enjoying state positions.They never gather courage or develop political skills to make khakis accountable in wrong doings so in this deadly psych war, foxy group always takes an edge on fools.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Nazia says: April 26, 2010 at 12:24 am Mughal I dont know whether you were part of that intelligence team which was specially designed in Musharraf period to dig bones of past of judiciary and run the defame campaign against judiciary or not but you are 100% fit for this job.

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    Dear Ms. Nazia,

    LOL:))) How did you know that "Closely Guarded Secret" and of course I was Founder of that Team and headed that Team Right under Musharraf and only answerable to Musharraf to dig bones like these: "LIES"of General [R] Pervez Musharraf, Sharifs & Talibans. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/liesof-g

    Dr. Awab and if my dear friend Mr. Samad Khurram is reading this then they can answer [if they are ready] to your "Allegation" against me [that too without any proof]. I forgot one thing that I also work for Mossad and CIA AND National Security Agency to write comment like I wrote in US are Collateral Murderers in Iraq … and they wouldn’t do that in Pakistan, will they? Posted by Teeth Maestro April 6, 2010 | – For that service I have been given a position in White House as Security Advisor to Obama, I was also heading the Mossad Team in Dubai recently. The Boulder which took Bugti's life was razed down by me. I was also the gunman behind the grassy knoll.

    • Nazia |

      Oh hoo

      so sad you back fired by poor observation.

      Actually during such campaign I had company of few Q league political characters in lahore.They spent their days and nights for getting clues like that which you usually keep in your blog against judiciary.

      Some were so filthy and not possible to discuss but all king;s men tried their best to show their loyalty to him .

      Such game was not in favor of Musharraf but as per your saying it was all planned within army to oust him from state so I can think of that option too????

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia says: April 26, 2010 at 1:16 am Oh hoo so sad you back fired by poor observation. Actually during such campaign I had company of few Q league political characters in lahore.They spent their days and nights for getting clues like that which you usually keep in your blog against judiciary. as per your saying it was all planned within army to oust him from state so I can think of that option too????

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      Read my posts again on Judiciary because I haven't resort to Cheap Mud Slinging, I have just quoted the Newspapers and Supreme Court's Cause List. Where is the personal attack on anybody's personal Life in Judiciary. I still stand by my statement that it was all started to provide the exit to Musharraf and Army as well.

    • Al |

      @Nazia: Aamir Mughal ka tu background bhi IB ka he. But what about you? You seem to know every politician, general, bureaucrat & judge either directly or through someone in your social circle.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Nazia says: – April 26, 2010 at 12:24 am – Mughal We all take cover up of fake religious guild during/after our jobs and sinful lives. We have all time justification of our wrong doings even through religious channels on the name of doing our duties for our least survivals.

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    Dear Ms. Nazia,

    Don't be deceived because of my those posts which carry Quranic Text and Hadith Text. I enjoy every vice [even those which you cannot even imagine] thoroughly and without any shame or remorse and for glimpse you can read my profile where I have written my favourite Novelist and also 2/3 Movies [you must watch these movies for your spiritual uplift]

    • Nazia |

      So I am all correct in my personal observation for men in black.

      There is no need to follow any individual's track for meddling his/her private life but can judge the criteria of typical jobs and its trained professionals.

      Unlike you I never go into detail of Hadiath and Quran sayings.I am also living in such attractive world of vices and sins all over around me but no one has courage to even penetrate in my defined limits.

      But you see the difference.

      I give people chance of improving their distorted nature without using the crutches of religious themes.

      I want to give them opportunity of repentance as much as possible.

      A small act of right intention should be praised no matter it is done by professional criminal.

      So if you have no remorse of enjoying vices then how you point fingers on judiciary which is just trying hard to improve its state of degradation.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia says: – April 26, 2010 at 1:08 am So I am all correct in my personal observation for men in black.

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      Not even close.

      I am also living in such attractive world of vices and sins all over around me but no one has courage to even penetrate in my defined limits. [Nazia]

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      I have no define limits because I strictly follow Hedonism.

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      So if you have no remorse of enjoying vices then how you point fingers on judiciary which is just trying hard to improve its state of degradation. [Nazia]

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      I feel like it:))

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    So You are strict followers of hedonism on religious grounds and in religion you pick Islam and its teaching for backing up weak concept of pleasurable life.

    You know that desire of happiness is main reason of our immoral and unethical behaviors as in this state of life one cant distinguish between pleasures of the mind, and pleasures of the body.

    So you please your mind by pointing fingers on people weakness and justify your acts as control of your mind over your timely pleasures.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Yes I please my mind by raising fingers on those [who lecture about Law while they were the ones who broke the Law in the first place] and what I do for pleasuring the body is not to be discussed in a public forum and that too with a lady. I follow Hedonism not religious ground but I follow as Hedonism is defined literally [take the help of your imagination]

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    Please dont mind I say to you that taking option of pleasing yourself should be your personal matter but it doesn't match with real teaching of Islam which you always try to preach and some breach to hit others due to their hypocrisy.

    Islam throughout gives you teachings to leave your personal pleasures for others,for your duties and responsibilities, on way to right path, and for fulfilling the orders of Allah and Prophet.

    It is God who then bestow his true momin with His recommended moments of happiness.

    Therefore you see that lives of Prophets were all time immersed in sorrowfulness and troubles .

    But again I have no right to interfere in your personal choices but my objection is that as you preferred your

    self respect, your ego, your hedonist way of living over your national duty, same others do for their survival in this corrupt system.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      I never preach anybody I have cleared the doubts by presenting the relevant text and it is not only mu duty but duty of every Muslim to clear the doubts about Islam whenever someone raises the question and If Allah has chosen a "Fasiq – Corrupter and Sinner" like me to do the job then I salute my fate.

      National Duty, National Interest and Ideologies can take Hike because all of these are often exploited by the vested interest in Pakistan. Read the Hyderabad Tribunal Findings and you will know what I am trying to get at.

  • Raza M.Qureshi |

    It looks to me as if this Teeth Maestro site is only for these two commentators, Ms Nazia & Aamir Mughal. Why don't you both highlights the present issues of this poor nation, and give your some good advise to these present corrupt & idiot ministers along with PM & President. Forget about Musharaf & Ch Iftikhar, what they did,good or bad, advise these present politicians to do something good for this nation. You both are very intelligent, why don;t you do something good for this miserable nation.GOD bless both of you.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Sir,

      Here are some key issues which should be addressed immediately.

      1 – Law and Order,

      2 – Education,

      3 – Health,

      4 – Roads [for direct access of Farmers to the Market instead of through Middle Men (Arhaty)],

      5 – Provincial Autonomy [Shift of Power from Federation to Province and Province to downwards],

      6 – Some sanity [have somebody from our elders on TV Channels giving advices to us to shun Ethnic and Sectarian hate amopngst Pakistanis].

      Best Regards.

    • Jibran |

      Ohh, so I'm not the only one….

      Nazia & Amir,

      Plz, stop this nonsense. Audience is only interested in the Nikkah ceremony, they don't have to *stand* the ongoings of the night.

      Honestly, we don't deserve your "DIMAKH KEE DAHEEE", so please discuss your intellectual ______________ in personal emails.

      I would really appreciate.

    • Nazia |

      Chutto jibran

      You still need time and effort to grow more and behave like mature person.

      What is your point of target if I and mughal are in serious discussion?

      I all time replied you even in your nonsense tone.

      So lets learn some lesson of mannerism through talk of elders.

      Mughal and I are quite opposite kind of persons but never ever use abusive or low rated remarks in any kind of discussion.

      Such an example as free lesson ,you cant take from personal emails.So take this opportunity as a program of teach yourself manners of discussion.

      What is the meaning of this proverb damagh kee dhee .

      Such an unhygienic phrase in useful discussion.

      Nikkah ceremony is enjoyable for only boring kind of people but adventurists are interested in night time stories too as you might get the right clue from there.

      So dont think about others meeting too much as it might affect your health in this young growing age.

      Understand or need more lecture for uplifting your moral training?

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Jibran says: – April 27, 2010 at 8:30 am Ohh, so I’m not the only one…. Nazia & Amir, Plz, stop this nonsense. Audience is only interested in the Nikkah ceremony, they don’t have to *stand* the ongoings of the night. Honestly, we don’t deserve your “DIMAKH KEE DAHEEE”, so please discuss your intellectual ______________ in personal emails. I would really appreciate.

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    Dear Jibran,

    We both are not the Moderators and who is stopping you to write you opinion on this thread. We can discuss anything under the sun. You are more than welcome.

  • Tanzeel |

    Supreme court don't catch big fish. Babar Awan is roaming with fake degree and even conducting a religious program on ATV but no inquiry took place.

  • Nazia |

    Aone

    Being an Pakistani is enough to participate in such discussions.

    I belong to working class of Pakistan so since childhood moved to all parts of Pakistan.

    Another factors of my well informed nature are my social life styles and very very big family circle.

    So actually mughal and inelleigence people are trained and paid for getting such knowledge and inforamtion but people like me behave like that for what we know it on personal level.

    I think if our country has provided us least condition of peace around our surrounding then surely people like me didn't come up for such discussions.But chaos like situation around us disturbed all classes of Pakistan and we are taking different forums to purge our anger.

    .‏

    • Al |

      That still doesn't explain how you seem to know everybody and his uncle. And not just know, you also seem to know everything about their personal lives like who is sleeping with whom and who is going out with whom!

  • Nazia |

    A1

    I think you never sit in typical ladies like company.

    Husbands are so unlucky species of this planet that their all kinds of secrets officials and private can be heard in one high tea like party.These jilted women take only some moments to reveal even the top secrets of their husbands in "friendly" gupships

    These days I am listening colour ful stories of geetee tariq majeed. I hope you know that lady and and her husband too.

    • Al |

      Mashallah. And being a women yourself you dutifully pass on the gossip on public blogs.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Your gossips [even of the elite classic gossip] wouldn't stand a single hearing in any session court. If I start telling the gossips [most of it was true] from my service days. You all be united and beat me to death. That's why I don't write any line which I cannot corroborate through any news clipping or press report just to substantiate the claim.

    • Nazia |

      Aone

      if men can expose scandals of men then why a woman cant do this act in the same level.

      Important thing is to expose the people who are misusing their sacred positions.

      Dont worry as you look me champion of women rights I have no courage to point finger on right lady who stand behind their father, husband and sons in crucial time.

      I mostly name those ladies who actually encourage or force their men to opt highly negative attitude for going up or raising status on fake basis.

      As a lady I know it well that woman even in relation of a keep can change the mode of a normal man to most corrupt icon of state.

      All relations like sister, mother, daughter and wife fully share the burden of illegal acts of a corrupt man so I am indirectly pointing the wrong attitude of ladies in our society.

      But I dont know it hurts deeply to some kind heart men like you.

    • Al |

      Why would it hurt me? I don't have so much worry in me to spend time worrying about some middle aged aunties i don't even know about. I am just saying gossiping & backbiting are not very good habits.

    • Nazia |

      That is why I am repeatedly saying you need more time to behave like mature person.

      You can keep this thing in your record and when grow older then you would understand what I am trying to tell you which you always put under the label of backbiting.

      Who are forcing you to gossip like that or think of backbiting ?save your self as much as possible but for me it is not backbiting but telling people the reality of so called polish class.

  • Ahmed3 |

    The appeal made by Isa and Naeem on the 'FAKE DEGREES SAGA'is very much in time. The only hope now is that Supreme Court takes SUO-MOTO action on this issue. Since the SC has already decided cases of Fake Degrees which compelled the holders of such degrees to submit their resignations, it is hopedthe suggestive action will eliminate delays and also save the Court of its valuable time and the Onus will lye on the HEC to scrutinise all cases.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    If you want to hear the gossip of labour class, maids and drivers I can tell you lot of real stories but it wouldn't be of your interests that is why you will not listen it.

    Look mughal

    I have no link with any kind of your profession and my professional and actual life is quite opposite to your way of living.

    Always to the point, human development, positive attitude toward production for a system or modifying the instability and failures in any system.We judge the system through outputs and reasons of failures.Ifs and buts are not our targets.

    For spying on wrong doings of locals and officials agencies are created and proper jobs are defined for them so it is not my job to follow such path which was once your job targets.

    Today a cousin of dr ayaz(kidnapped from UAE) was telling me that our agencies are probing the whole family with the questions like that.

    How many times dr ayaz says his prayers five times a day,

    When he decided to keep beard?

    Where he goes for helping for some Islamic groups.

    and more funny questions on the name of probing.

    So what impression we take from such departments and institute in public circle.

    So what ever I conclude by judging the different classes of society I come here and discuss.

    I cant give you exact source due to my limitation but believe me that somtime I had tried my best in my real life to provide right information to right persons to create some hindrance in the way of corrupt people but it was backfired .

    So common people cant change the scenario of corrupt system through logic and pinpointing techniques.

    Dont be afraid we will not beat you after hearing truths as we are watching this all around but if you transfer these gossips in the form of a book as did by tehmina durrani, then I would be the first who will buy it.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    By the way I am confirmed that these days our most of agency men are busy in spying on people's bedrooms more than their assigned targets.

    This has become the favorite job of our intelligence groups to set probes on multiple partners and deals of officials.Interesting thing is that no step is taken against such officials and govt representatives as long as they are busy in such activity's but all records are kept in record and become only active when ruling groups need to black mail such characters for personal manoeuvrings.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Yes that is a practice but not only in Pakistan and not since present days but since before partition because these matters mentioned in reports because if someone is caught in compromising position on a video/photos/audio with anyone hostile to the country then please tell me would you appoint him a Commander for front against the country from where his/her bed partner belong to.

  • Nazia |

    Sorry mughal you are wrong in your perception as that has become the reason of our failures in all areas.

    In other countries such practice is applied to minority class who might be capable and fair toward national jobs but out of track due to their social practices.There adultery and multiple partners are not considered as crime even then you see that they don't excuse their top leaders and most of time good repute family men are considered as leaders of masses.

    Here in our country majority follow the path of corruption and illegitimate deals and our agencies instead of highlighting them give them cover ups or force them to go beyond limits in the way of corruption.

    That destroys the equilibrium of system too when check and balance system is not calibrated through proper means .

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia says: – April 29, 2010 at 12:20 am Sorry mughal you are wrong in your perception as that has become the reason of our failures in all areas.

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      Wrong or Right but I am replying your query rather allegation that this is only done in Pakistan. This is universal practice in Intelligence agencies to push the pressure point to get the work done or keep the record to warn the Executives when someone with the Sexual Weakness is being hired.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Here in our country majority follow the path of corruption and illegitimate

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      Again generalization and sweeping statement. Specify with reference.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia says: – April 29, 2010 at 12:20 am – Sorry mughal you are wrong in your perception as that has become the reason of our failures in all areas. In other countries such practice is applied to minority class.

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      That's happen when you comment without proper background knowledge. Have you heard The Profumo Affair [Ayub Khan was also caught] of Christine Keeler – BBC Profumo scandal story 60s

    • Aamir Mughal |

      This may help for a start! It is called Honey Trap in Espionage Jargon: Spies use sex, intelligence, and the thrill of a secret life as bait. Cleverness, training, character, and patriotism are often no defense against a well-set honey trap.

      The History of the Honey Trap Five lessons for would-be James Bonds and Bond girls — and the men and women who would resist them. BY PHILLIP KNIGHTLEY | MARCH 12, 2010 http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/03/12/

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    Honey traps are planned for corrupt and weak officials and that is my point that intelligence agencies want to drive these culprits as per mood of strong ruling group of state not under national interests.

    Nobody or any agency has courage to trap a honest and strong person.

    Auyb was characterless man since he was captain so his such affairs are not surprise.

    You might dont know that during 1947 he badly mishandled hindu migrants moving to India through Punjab route.His sikh boss had written his performance worst and drunk officer during duty hours.

    It was also said by an old veteran that Jinnah had disqualified him for further promotions, written in his ACRs due to his nonsense attitude during riots situation in Pakistan side but who gave him way to riseup was surely known to only army management or intelligence agencies of that time,

    You are giving me reference of FP that even west also practices this tact but I think it is very weak article as west has different moral standard where prostitution, adultery and illicit relations are not considered as crime and sins under state laws.

    In Clinton's case he was charged with perjury not for having relation with secretary.

    Nobody had courage to charge Diana having multiple affairs but as it hurts only life partners so when they react it becomes news in media.Same is the case of tiger woods.

    We cant compare it with eastern culture where such honey traps can change the situation in social and official level where it is considered as crimes and can be persecuted under strict religious laws as per mood of ruling groups.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia says: – April 29, 2010 at 4:30 pm Mughal Honey traps are planned for corrupt and weak officials

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      MAM: Wrong again because Corrupt and weak persons are already compromised.

      NAZIA: Nobody or any agency has courage to trap a honest and strong person.

      MAM: Traps are always laid for Honest person to break them through tarnishing them in the media. And often such plans are successful.

      NAZIA: It was also said by an old veteran that Jinnah had disqualified him for further promotions, written in his ACRs due to his nonsense attitude during riots situation in Pakistan

      MAM: What was the need when as per you in Bhutto Thread "Jinnah and Iqbal were already working for their paymasters i.e. British Raj.

      NAZAI: I think it is very weak article.

      MAM: Facts in the article are very well documented in Archives of Intelligence agencies' Course as Citation with proper references and bibliography.

      We cant compare it with eastern culture where such honey traps can change the situation in social and official level where it is considered as crimes and can be persecuted under strict religious laws as per mood of ruling groups.

      MAM: Eastern Culture or Islam? Clarify. Murder and Mayhem which are part and parcel of Intelligence Agencies and these Acts are far more dangerous than Minor Vice like Sex Scandal. What Eastern Values are you talking about. Do you think that the Ethnic/Sectarian Massacres conducted by "Unknown Assailants" in Pakistan are actually Sectarian or Ethnic??? Where does religion allow such massacre?

  • Nazia |

    mughal

    I think you never saw any honest officer on the line of duty.

    Officers or persons dont become corrupt or change their character after acquiring top seats as 20 grade officers or being an brigadier but they are nature wise has strong inclination of corruption.

    I have given you clear example that ayab was promoted even having suspicious record in start of his career and his end on the lap of general rani was not a shocking revelation.

    Same thing you will see that most of senior army and police offciers are morally degreaded person who got early promtions in main cities and honest are sent to remote areas.

    If some how I believe that agencies create such bait for honest offciers then you are by yourself acknowledging that these agencies are contributing in anti state activties by manipulating against honest officers.

    Any how I witnessed many refined, honest and dedicated professionals in private sectors whom no one dare to point fingers on their character or professional areas,

    Govt sectors first hire incompetent staff and some how they reach to top level through wrong means they are driven by local agencies to prove to be more corrupt and anti state actor while occupation critical seats.

    You are forgetting that we as Muslims own such an history in which our three caliphs were murdered.

    Karbla event is each year revived by one of muslim community against another Muslim sect in such an emotional way where no justification left that we Muslims are responsible of massacre of grandson of Holy Prophet and his friends.

    Saudia a custodian of Allah's home is all time participant of massacre of Muslim community in different areas of world.

    Iraq iran war is not an old example of massacring Muslims through muslim,

    What your army done to poor swatis or now doing against waziristan people?Are they not muslims?

    You are just ignoring my simple point of view that honeytraps dont matter in west where money traps are more attractive than such honeys which are normal part of their free culture and lives but in Muslim society we maximum try to expose such honey and money traps due to our abnormal social pressures which are absent in western culture.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      his end on the lap of general rani was not a shocking revelation. [Nazia]

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      Begum Aqleem Akhter aka General was linked with Yahya not Ayub.

      Govt sectors first hire incompetent staff and some how they reach to top level through wrong means they are driven by local agencies to prove to be more corrupt and anti state actor while occupation critical seats. [Nazia]

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      MAM: Incompetent???? What about CSS and in the past ICS. They used to be the cream in the most talented people and still the candidates appear in CSS are quite competent.

      NAZIA:If some how I believe that agencies create such bait for honest offciers then you are by yourself acknowledging that these agencies are contributing in anti state activties by manipulating against honest officers.

      MAM: What is Anti State? There is only one thing "how to get the job done".

      NAZIA: You are forgetting that we as Muslims own such an history in which our three caliphs were murdered.

      MAM: Read Quran because even Prophets [PBUT] were not spared what to talk of Islamic Caliphs [May Allah be pleased with them]

      NAZIA: Karbla event.

      MAM: The tragedy [61 Hijri] no doubt was gruesome but the details related with the even was compiled by only one Narrator Lut Bin Yahya Azdi aka Abu Mikhnaf [Died between 157 and 170] and that narrator is cosidered "Liar amongst Liars" and narrating the details directly without any chain and Aby Mikhnaf is quoted by everyone particularly Tabari [born 224] and Tabari is directly narrating from Abi Mikhnaf [how??? Please tell] without any chain. There is only one book "Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf" which is quoted by everyone and that book has several versions. That's how Islamic History is compiled so you can guess the concoction after concoction and lies after lies????

      Nazia: Saudia a custodian of Allah’s home is all time participant of massacre of Muslim community in different areas of world.

      MAM: Reference?

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    I am not going into history that what was done on the basis of religious empowerment but I am telling you present situation of heated environments in our sects living all around us.

    What we actually are going to prove through wailing on our streets and creating horror like situation for one of gruesome tragedy of past?

    Talibans like groups have created their own way of dominance on people living on this land from generations.

    It could be lesson learning to learn from mistakes and crimes of past but we have divided our power as Muslim community on the basis of historical facts which might be concocted as passed on tonew generations.

    I attended shia mujales, wahbi lectures, mhefil milads,Ismailis gatherings and tableeghi lectures but I have serious reservations on all that it is just creating more unpractical and extremists like culture in our surrounding.People have been stuck to religious theory and personal goals for their whole life and national identifications and goals have been vanished from our targets.That is why confused generation is leading here and there which you usually call them hypocrites and liars.

    I have full references of Saudi involvement in wave of terrorism through extremism techniques and I had already collected and sent this material to some international paper.I need some time to retrieve it back and these days I am short of time for this net world.But whenever free I would surely present it here so keep you busy in backfire like situation which is your favorite job as a net worm.