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Talibanisation of Clifton and DHA

If Talibanisation stands for militancy, weapons, lawlessness and uncivilized behavior, the Pakistan Army may as well forget the Waziristan operation and begin its charity from home – the DHA and Clifton areas of Karachi. These areas are now in control of urban Talibans who roam around in obscene heavy duty vehicles, which are invariably official, stolen, smuggled or foreign registered . They often travel in a convoy with dozens of prohibited bore weapon brandishing goons. They violate all traffic rules and hit, push, beat or kidnap any decent citizen who questions this lawless behavior.

While the illegal detention of a prominent city architect and scuffle with a PAF officer have been reported in the media because of the high profile of these individuals, there are hundreds of similar incidents that go unreported. While the citizens of Karachi may not have any immediate fears from the Talibs of Waziristan, they are already in a state of siege by the lawless militant ministers, parliamentarians and powerful members of the state.

Many streets in DHA and Clifton have been partly barricaded to provide security to this highly guarded but pathologically insecure species. Bilawal House in Clifton and the Home Ministers House in DHA are just two such examples. While the hungry citizens commit suicides, the state spends billions on protecting the ones that need the least protection. It is time that citizens unite and ask for removal of all ministers and parliamentarians from these areas, unless they can learn to obey law and behave like ordinary citizens.

The DHA and Clifton authorities must be taken to task for failing to check the blocking of streets, pitching of tents, and presence of thousands of armed militants. The corrupt police who never fails to ‘Challan” a poor person in a Suzuki or motor bike will never notice the thousands of fake Sindh Government vehicles, the foreign registered vehicles, the fake number plate vehicles, the no number plate vehicles and the AFR vehicles. Should we not demand sacking of the incompetent senior police officials just for this reason. The Government is itself a party to this crime when it encourages these criminals and fake degree holders to behave like VIPs by creating discriminatory “Parliamentarian” counters for them at the airports.


95 Comments

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Talibanisation of DHA [Naeem Sadiq]

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    One of the colleague of General Musharraf in 1999 coup was Lt. General [R] Muzzaffar Hussain Usmani and [All the Corps Commandes are Chairmen of DHA in Pakistan] he issued an "Executive Order" that nobody would be allowed to Jog in Shorts in any of DHA Park [Corps Commander fail to check that Musharraf and many of his colleagues are known to be "Drunk as a Fish"] not a single Corp Commander even try to to explain as to how can one jog in Thob [Arabian Traditional Dress]. No Corp Commander bother to check the "Infidel Living Style" within the Miltary Barracks e.g. playing "Infidel Game Golf".

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Talibanisation of DHA [Naeem Sadiq]

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    Director of QTV [Khalil Warsi] said that why all the Mosques in DHA have Deoabndi Imams [it is true] and he further asked why Barelvis [QTV and Khalil Warsi] are not allowed to use Loud Speakers for Milad etc.etc.

  • arzoo |

    If Terrorists are Liberals or Nationalists no Body Cares but if a Muslim fights against Occupation Whole world including secularists will start shouting terrorist

  • Hasan Zuberi |

    @ Amir Mughal: INHO you seriously need to check your knowledge as Bilawal House is in Clifton since the days of PPP's first Government .. similarly … there is a very big mosque lead by Barelvi Imam near Le Ecole in Phase 8.

    I guess the QTV director is wrong in his statement as there are mosuqes lead by Imams of all sects in DHA

    It is interesting to say that Barelvis have only produced one Mujahid till date and he is Mr. Mujahid Barelvi, a prominent TV host.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Dear Zubairi Sahab,

      Read the reply above on Bilawal House given to Dr Alvi. I was talking about the Development Scheme of KDA not the location of Bilawal House. There are many houses in Clifton which are violation of KBCA Rules whereas DHA follow strict rules. That was my point. By the way I had been deputed in many VVIP Protocol/Security Duties and I know the location of Bilawal House.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Wrong again on Barelvi Mujahids. In Daghistan the leader was Imam Shamil and he was Naqshbandi Sufis [Barelvis are also Sufis] and Deobandis as well [read Hissamul Haramain by Ahmed Reza Khan Barelvi and rplies of Deoband to Ahmed Reza wherein Deobandi Scholars openly admitted that they are under oath of Chishtiya, Naqshbandi, Suharwardy and countless other such Chains of Sufiism]

    • Aamir Mughal |

      QTV director is wrong [Zuberi]

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      No he was right because DHA Authorities don't allow "Noise Pollution" in DHA so they don't allow Barelvis [due to noise pollution] but DHA Tolerate 10 Days of Noise Pollution in Moharram. Imams of DHA are overwhelmingly Deobandis. You might heard the name of Brigadier [R] Fuyooz ur Rehman who was in-charge of such matters in DHA and he was a deobandi [to be precise Deobandi Sufi]

    • Hasan Zuberi |

      @ Aamir Mughal: Janab … KDA is nearly whole Karachi … all the areas whch are NOT under miltitary related Boards or Authorites and I guess Clifton comes under the jursdction of of Cantt (CCB).

      As for Barelvi Mujahd … that was a common joke i shared … have some humourus sense brother.

      Are you trying to implicate that Barelvis are all over the world ?? …. Sufi order is a different thing and is present in many sects and sub-sects including Deobandis.

      I also belong to Naqsbandi order and it is widely spread all over Central Asian Republics and Balkans.

      Barelvis (followers of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan) only had one militant organisation in the good old days of "Mujahideen Zindabad" and "Kashmir banay ga Pakistan" …. with the title – Sipah-e-Mustafa … which was later defunct due to non-availability of funds, something which the other Lashkars, Hizb and Spah's enjoyed from their Arabs & Persian backers.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Hasan Zuberi says: – June 20, 2010 at 9:02 am @ Aamir Mughal: Janab … KDA is nearly whole Karachi … all the areas whch are NOT under miltitary related Boards or Authorites and I guess Clifton comes under the jursdction of of Cantt (CCB).

      MAM: Only maintenance [sewerage/water supply etc.ect] is looked after by Cantonment Board of Clifton [in DHA as well].

      Zuberi: Are you trying to implicate that Barelvis are all over the world ?? ….

      MAM: Yes Barelvis [overwhelmingly] are all over the World that is why Zakir Naik is stopped from lecturing in UK.

      Zuberi: Sufi order is a different thing and is present in many sects and sub-sects including Deobandis. I also belong to Naqsbandi order and it is widely spread all over Central Asian Republics and Balkans. Barelvis (followers of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan) only had one militant organisation in the good old days of “Mujahideen Zindabad” and “Kashmir banay ga Pakistan” …. with the title – Sipah-e-Mustafa … which was later defunct due to non-availability of funds, something which the other Lashkars, Hizb and Spah’s enjoyed from their Arabs & Persian backers.

      MAM: There were many Sufi [Barelvis] Afghan Mujahideen [1979 – 1988] during Afghan War e.g. Pir Sibghatullah Mujjadaddi. You need to probe more deeply. Naqhbandi Belief carry many practices similar to Barelvi/Deobandi practices.

    • Nazia |

      Mughal

      An interesting overview

      Whom the gods would destroy…
      http://truthspring.info/2010/06/11/whom-the-gods-
      The important thing noted in this article is

      "According to a BBC Urdu report, a gathering of the leaders of 13 religious and political parties in Lahore claimed that the attack on Ahmedis on May 28 was part of a conspiracy to repeal the laws against them. The meeting also condemned Nawaz Sharif, the twice elected ex-Prime Minister of Pakistan and now the leader of the opposition, for having sympathized with the Ahmadis and calling them his ‘brothers’.

      The gathering was attended by the leading divines of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Jamiat-i-ulema-i-Islam Fazlur Rahman group, Jamaatud Dawa and Markazi Jamaat-i-Ahl-i-Sunnat among others–almost the entire cast on the honor roll of divinity’s who’s who in Pakistan."

      You have more intelligence instinct than me.Kindly check what is real force behind all mentioned parties who gathered there to give fatwa like that.

      That is the reason Punjab govt has allocated 8 million rupees to jammat dawa.

      So please tell me who is real force behind this outfit that even Ajmal kasab confession couldnt put its leadership behind bars.

      You are right that deobandi bgdr allowed only use of loudspeaker in strict vicinity of DHA if mullah speaks in favour of his faith.That is what is going on around us for longer period.Influential groups try to dominant on others in all matters as religious association is now considered as symbol of power.So when 40 or 50 religious groups try to impose their so called Islamic ways on each other, society is said to be highly polarized state.This situation persist in our country throughout as gift of miltiary regimes.

      Even DHA like educated vicinity is not free from such biased acts so how can we control the temperament of illiterate groups which are growing around us like mushroom growth.

  • Syed Nadir El Edroos |

    In the shadows of the federal government and offices of the ISI, the whole Lal Masjad fiasco took place. What started off, with a few young boys taking the law into their own hands, ended up with a bloody military operation. The state gave an inch, the militants took a mile. If Karachi is being Talibanizied then the state needs to act now. Reports suggests that the Taliban are using Karachi as a hub of extortion, kidnapping to raise finances. If so then that must be put to a stop now, before things become much much worse.

    Perhaps this is relevant as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10354

    • Zulfiqar Mirza |

      Nadir: I think the term talibanization of Karachi can be misleading. The militants are taking refuge in Karachi but i don't think there is any chance of the situation developing into something we saw in Swat.

      Mughal: There was so much media fanfare when Mullah Baradar was arrested but nothing has been heard about him since. Where is he being held? Under what authority or law? Has he been extradited?

      There must be something else going on behind the scenes. The NY Times report says he was 2nd only to Mullah Omar & look how quite the American & Pakistani authorities are since his arrest.

  • Hasan Zuberi |

    @ Syed Nadir El Edroos: Brotehr I love your regular comments at Tribune.com.pk.

    Here as a publicist is my question …. why we only rely on the Western sources of information … as a Karachitte and someone so well informed did you managed to counter-check the content of the BBC newsitem, which you shared with such ease.

    If a Western female journalist (stand out in the crowd) can have access to the Talibans and area SHO .. why our journalists are quite on this topic … ever thought … there is so much politics involved in it which we should also keep in mind.

    • Syed Nadir El Edroos |

      Well I don't think that's true, they are many local journalist who have highlighted this issue. Unfortunately though, its not until something comes up in the Western media that something comes off it. And even more ironically, when something like this comes up in the Western media, it has the opposite effect of people then saying that this is a campaign to discredit and defame Pakistan, and then we swiftly move into a state of denial. Then of course, the local media has so much else to cover, for most Western journalists in Pakistan, news from Pakistan is only a one issue item.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      If a Western female journalist (stand out in the crowd) can have access to the Talibans and area SHO .. why our journalists are quite on this topic [Zuberi]

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      Dear Zubairi Sahab,

      There is term in Journalistic Jargon "Fixer" and they help Western Journalist and many are the leading Journalist of of Top TV Channels of Pakistan.

    • Hasan Zuberi |

      @ Nadir: … Pakistani media is still in its teen-age … and acting like one.

      Having served in a leading TV channel as one of the founding member, I have seen majority of our so called Journalists are not aware of the basic facts … and hardly do any homework.

      My point is if a gora can do and have access to teh taliban … why cant our intelligence get hold of teh fixers … daal mai kuch tou kala hai naa ….. if we eliminate chori from our culture e will not be needing Police and the hefty funds associated with it.

      ;) hope you got the point.

  • mazharhasan |

    First of all let me correct about the area limits of Clifton and DHA. The Entire Clifton Area is not under the Clifton Cantonment Board (CBC) jurisdiction. Only Clifton Block 8 and 9 are inside the CBC boundary including entire DHA. Bilawal House or even Park Tower or Russian Consulate are not part of the Clifton Cantonment limits. So I agree with Aamir Mughal about his point of view on DHA and Clifton.

  • Nazia |

    The context of topic is reflection of acquired propensity of lawlessness of elite class . It has no link with talibanisation or some kind of extremism.Oh yes after seeing such kind of of segregated living styles for particular class it is producing the aftereffects in the form of extremism and talibanistion.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Oh yes after seeing such kind of of segregated living styles for particular class it is producing the aftereffects in the form of extremism and talibanistion.

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      Agreed.

  • Aniqa Naz |

    Power lives in DHA. And this is not the first time we have heard it. Many times before we have seen this lawlessness in limits of DHA. It is the paradise of our elites and there is no law for them to follow.

  • tamaaz khan |

    These MPA's MNA's roaming around Defense and Clifton have their constituencies in Interior Sindh where they are used to being above the law, thus they assume they can continue their feudal ways in the city.

    Its high time Defence and Clifton organize community protection along the lines practiced in Gulshan and Nazimabad, propagated by a certain political party which derives its support and leadership from within the community. There is only one language such people understand.

    Or at least the Cantt. authorities should shoulder the responsibility of maintain law and order in the area by-passing the home ministry.

    I am surprised how Gulshan and Nazimabad seem so much safer and calmer and considerably more orderly, than the tony locations of DHA and Clifton.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Or at least the Cantt. authorities should shoulder the responsibility of maintain law and order in the area by-passing the home ministry.

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      Authorities in Cantt. [and one top Judge of Sindh High Court] often visit these Ministers' Personal Jungles in their Home Constituencies for hunting Hubara Bustard [Chakor] and other endangered species. Former COAS Asif Nawaz, Waheed Kakar and several Corps Commanders and last but not the least those who provide Oil to Pakistan [Saudi and UAE Sheikhs] are permanent and regular visitors of Jungles mentioned above.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      I forgot one name the one and only Born Again Che Guerra i.e. Imran Khan was a regular visitor of Peer Pagara's personal Jungles for hunting.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Its high time Defence and Clifton organize community protection along the lines practiced in Gulshan and Nazimabad,

      I am surprised how Gulshan and Nazimabad seem so much safer and calmer

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      No offence: Syed Ayub Naqvi, 68, who was known among his peers for his literary contributions, was targeted near the main Petrol Pump bus stop while he was driving to an Imambargah in Nazimabad No 3. “Mr Naqvi was heading to Imambargah Noor-i-Iman when his car was intercepted by two armed motorcyclists under the Nazimabad flyover,” said Sub-Inspector Jehanzeb, the SHO of the Nazimabad police station.

      Seven more killed as ‘sectarian killings’ continue in Karachi By Imran Ayub Tuesday, 15 Jun, 2010
      http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Its high time Defence and Clifton organize community protection along the lines practiced in Gulshan and Nazimabad, I am surprised how Gulshan and Nazimabad seem so much safer and calmer

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      The fresh targeted killings sparked scattered incidents of violence that included acts of arson in the strife-hit areas such as New Karachi and Ancholi. However, despite police claims about having traced the elements behind the fresh sectarian killings, no arrest has been made on this account. Early in the morning, the 34-year-old man was targeted in Nazimabad when he was coming out of the parking area of a private hospital. Naseer Hussain Jafri was associated with the private hospital where he reached for his routine work. ‘Sectarian killings’ claim two more lives in Karachi By Imran Ayub Sunday, 13 Jun, 2010 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

      City Courts attack Dawn Editorial Sunday, 20 Jun, 2010
      http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

  • tamaaz khan |

    Mughal Sahib,

    Target killings happen all over the city.

    I am talking about general security, and ease of accessibility to your destination without fear being accosted, beat up or generally pushed around if you do not yield right of way to these 'VIPs' who only show up during certain 'popular and democratically elected' governments.

    The Karachi based MPA's MNA's live in their own constituencies, but you do not hear of such high handedness from those who supposedly control Karachi through fear of violence and an iron fist.

    But on you topic of target killing, surprisingly 'teeth blog', Mr. Alvi and his PTI haven't spoken out about the current sectarian strife that engulfed the city.

    It may be because there is no point scoring to be gained

    from condemning religious and sectarian violence.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Tamaaz Sahab,

      Thanks for pointing that out. I hope Dr. Sahab would launch a thread on this menace of Sectarian killings.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      beat up or generally pushed around if you do not yield right of way to these ‘VIPs’ who only show up during certain ‘popular and democratically elected’ governments. The Karachi based MPA’s MNA’s live in their own constituencies, but you do not hear of such high handedness from those who supposedly control Karachi through fear of violence and an iron fist.

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      Dear Khan Sahab,

      Aren't Karachi based MNAs and MPAs share power with these very element at Provincial and Federal Levels. Did they ever file an adjournment motion in Provincial and National Assembly or discuss in the Senate.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      tamaaz khan says: – June 21, 2010 at 5:36 am Mughal Sahib,

      Target killings happen all over the city.

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      tamaaz khan says: – June 21, 2010 at 2:41 am – I am surprised how Gulshan and Nazimabad seem so much safer and calmer and considerably more orderly, than the tony locations of DHA and Clifton.

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      Sir,

      Both of your statements above negate each other.

      MQM Haqiqi stages rally against target killing Updated at: 2030 PST, Tuesday, March 02, 2010 http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=99854

      Two Haqiqi members, lawyer gunned down in Karachi Dawn Reporter Wednesday, 17 Mar, 2010 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    • Nazia |

      Khan

      to which area you have isolated your petite soul in burning Karachi.

      Nazimabad and gulshan Iqbal are always a favorite target point for different kind of terrorism.The area on the back side block 4 and 4a, near baithul mukram mosque, nipa and Aziz bhatti road adjacent areas have been many times halted due to different kind of sectarian or political terrorism.

      Nazimabad area is popular for typical shia killings near rizvia colony and the first area to hit/halt when any killing is done in Karachi on sectarian basis.

      So kindly fresh up your memory as this unpredictable and misapprehended problem of riots is persisting there for almost 30 years.

      For your closed eyes

      Karachi: Metropolis of Terror
      http://www.kashmirherald.com/main.php?t=OP&st

  • tamaaz khan |

    Geez, read what I have written before answering.

    We all know:

    Nazimabad/Gulshan were also scenes of the operations in 1990.

    No place in Karachi is immune to Target Killing.

    I am talking about residential areas Nazimabad/Gulshan in comparison to Clifton/Defense in CONTEMPORARY Karachi seems much calmer/safer and orderly to the average person going about their day.

    (No connected urban millitants roaming around with their Landcruisers and Vitz full of gaurds, ready to pounce at any percived slight or just for shughal)

    We were not used to this type of behavior in Karachi during Musharraf's time, suddenly with these characters are back with arrival of the "democratically elected representatatives". Considering Nazimabad/Gulshan are not considered posh localities they were at least spared this hooligan behavior.

    Plus it seems the communities there have also taken upon themselves to create a more orderly and civilized atmosphere than existed in the past.

    On your point about "adjournment motions in Provincial and National Assembly or discussion in the Senate", you are right maybe that is something Khushbakht Sahiba or Mr. Taqi should be bringing up.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      What about Butchering and Killing of Jamat-e-Islami worker during Musharraf's Period during Local Bodies Elections and countless occasion. Difference of Politics is universal but nobody [I mean nobody that includes MQM/PPP/ANP] has the right to snatch "Life" of somebody.

  • Nazia |

    Khan

    You also try to read carefully.

    I am not talking about 90s but all mentioned incident were in 2000s at the time of Musharraf period.

    Link provided here gives you detail of some data collected during Musharraf regime.

    12 may and attack on Bhutto convoy and its aftermaths were recorded in Musharraf time.

    I have specifically mentioned the residential area of disturbances in your peaceful gulshan Iqbal and nazimabad.

    These are populated areas and all time suffered in any kind of riots.

    You say

    Plus it seems the communities there have also taken upon themselves to create a more orderly and civilized atmosphere than existed in the past.

    Yes you are right communities have adopted more "Civilized atmosphere by heavily guarding themselves and vicinity with

    heavily armed guards.In case of eruption of riots, these people come out with modern weapons and do aerial firing so that masked men who are all times caught in CCTV and not a single time caught by any LEA don't think of coming to their sides.

    This kind of civilized orderly behavior was adopted after 12 may incident when people were convinced finally that agencies and mqm goons are behind such kind of mass killings to harass the groups living in same vicinity.

    Dont try to confuse the comments with each other by adding words like posh locality, democratically elected people, and urban militant like terms.All knows where all clues go in case of eruption of riots in Karachi.

  • Nazia |

    I think during Musharraf regime, khan shahib was busy in presidency where it is said that too much tranquility and calmness never allowed its residents to think what is going on other parts of the country.

    No normal person can deny the extent of violence in Karachi even one party rule is dominant there for last 20 years.Actually people are all time ready for eruption any kind of violence.Violence has become part of their life styles.12 may and 27 dec like horrible days have given them different lessons of adopting self security procedures therefore most of them are now dependent on private armed security.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      Thanks for reminding me, 27 Dec 2009 when scores of Innocent People Died and property of Millions if not billions were damaged and Musharraf and Company was Ruling the roost. Why didn't the Rangers and Police came out.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    how zthat possible that you have forgotten the most horrific day in the history of Pakistan specially for people living in Sindh.

    I think you are not living in Pakistan that is why you have no personal experience of facing the worst even staying in our homes.

    When Bhutto was hanged, I have a very little memory but I was in some market place with my mother, when she heard the news from people that he was hanged.I only remembered her tears and noted that people were talking about Bhutto only with lot of sorrowfulness in their voices.That was all I recalled on the market place of lahore.No fear of riots were observed but I saw people were not believing on this kind of death.

    On my grand pa homes I saw few of my cousins who were active in politics in universities were locked by their parents so that they were not caught by police

    On the contrary, when bhutto was murdered, I was in market place too, and when it was heard bhutto got bullet wounds, every thing looks trembling on the ground.Shops started closing, aerial firing have started, Luckily I was near to home so reached safely but my all other family members who were stuck other places never came back home for whole night due to tension on the roads.

    I heard horrible stories from sindh and Karachi areas.

    In precise way I told that there were no real mourners on our streets when bhutto was shot dead.they were professional rioters and criminals who knew well what to do and what to get in this crucial time.They all had special kind of arsenals, wooden baton and arms to harass people and interesting thing was absence of state 'writ in all critical areas.

    In some areas of Karachi people were stuck in their homes for more than 3 days and they didn't see any kind of state actions even giving them many SOS calls.

    So in summarize way I have told you my personal experience in both tragic events in history of Pakistan.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Nazia says: – June 22, 2010 at 10:20 pm Mughal how zthat possible that you have forgotten the most horrific day in the history of Pakistan specially for people living in Sindh. I think you are not living in Pakistan that is why you have no personal experience of facing the worst even staying in our homes.

    MAM: Yes I was in Pakistan when Bhutto was murdered in 1979. I used to live in Malir and was in Class 7.

  • Masuud Qazi |

    Well written.

    I visited Pakistan after 2 years and seeing the specific surroundings in DHA and Clifton of these local badmaashs, I was traumatized in a certain way. These are terrorists of their own kind.

    At one end is the poor man who cannot even feed his wife and children with a proper 2 meal/day, and on the other are these lunatics who have battalions of cars, jeeps, police mobiles and the list never ends. They've left no bone cracking in corruption and have bracketed themselves as the best examples of scoundrel-ism.

    May The Almighty bless this country. Amen.

    • Nazia |

      All Clifton residents are not terrorist but strong working groups are also residing there for getting better quality life styles as compare to other places.It is human nature to move there whey they find better living conditions.

      In early days of Pakistan and for next 10 years, North nazimabad and adjacent water pump area were considered as organized civic set up of Karachi.I was really impressed but its wide roads structure with proper service lanes, availability of footpaths and fixed area for commercial activities but all mismanagement of local bodies have ruined its basic structure.

      So intentions of management matters in town planning of any civic area.

      It is matter of state's interests that how she treats her inhabitants in same level just as mother think about her all children.

      As our state functionaries in this regard are declared corrupt so they have isolated development funds for few designated areas,creating huge differences among different communities under same state authority.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    I am not talking about ZAB but Bhutto.

    There were no scenes of horrible street crimes in the name of mourning at the time of ZAB.

    But what ever we have seen/heard at the time of Benazir's killing was unbelievable and unmatchable to any other tragedy of Pakistan.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia: But what ever we have seen/heard at the time of Benazir’s killing was unbelievable and unmatchable to any other tragedy of Pakistan.

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      Pakistan Rangers is, was and will be under the command of President [then Musharraf], and Governor [then Mr Ishratul Ibad] – my only question is, where was the Rangers right after then Murder of Benazir Bhutto? [do watch the pictures]

      KARACHI: Where were Rangers during recent riots? By Sabihuddin Ghausi January 03, 2008 Thursday http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/03/local7.htm

      KARACHI, Jan 3: As the setting sun of Dec 27 saw Pakistan’s popular political leader lie dead in the Rawalpindi General Hospital, Karachi streets witnessed quick disappearance of Rangers and police, leaving the people rushing home in panic from their workplaces at the mercy of robbers, plunderers and arsonists. Disappearance of police and Rangers from streets and roads after devastating bomb blasts and target killings in Karachi has become a routine feature during the last few years. Motorists, shopkeepers, petrol pumps and the public on roads become easy target of armed assailants, who come from nowhere and disappear after completing their mission.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    The above provided link is 100% correct and it only miss the point that how much senior officers in rangers are earning by collaborating with mqm.

    I was in touch with rangers through my family circles when I was living in Karachi.

    They fully helped mqm people in local bodies election.A real force behind victory of mustafa kamal team .I heard all there ways how they received orders from commander of area to cordon off polling stations in afternoon and then actions of mqm jiyala were started by filling all kind of ballot boxes in one and two hours.

    On 27 dec most of rangers wings were ordered to cordon off only govt people or official building .They were not given orders to protect the people and their properties.that is why that day people faced huge kind of losses.

    On papers rangers are said to be under interior ministry but hey are controlled by generals who get full feed backs from GHQ.This force has been divided into southern and northern divisions and each unit is under control of a serving general and few brigadiers, then they pick their favorite colonials and majors and call them in rangers as part of lucrative deputations.

    This way clever minds of GHQ put the burden of hundred of officers on civil side under the name of interior ministry.

    These army posted officers hardly go for tough field jobs and keep DSRs and lower rank officers to do their duties for extremely lengthy hours.The soldiers of rangers are least paid employees with unaccountable tough working hours even in critical areas.

    So actually this is way of communication of mqm force and GHQ and all orders and planing of GHQ are provided to them through these deputed officers in rangers circle.

  • Qalb e Abbas |

    To take over a city the old military strategy is to surround the city, takeover all the entry and exit points, takeover food supply routes.

    Karachi is now completely surrounded by the Talibans and their alikes, People of Karachi just think for a second how all the karachi entry and exit points including Sohrab Goth, National Highway, Hub River Road(Exit point to Baluchistan) and Area around Port is now Officially occupied by illegal land grabbing, these areas are not accessible to law enforcement agencies and to common people as well.

    People who think Taliban can't take over Karachi should think again and should pay a visit to all these areas.

    I challenge each and everyone of you to go Sohrab Goth, Go Al Asif and see what i talking about is right or wrong.

    Karachi is surrounded and its matter of time when they will attack Karachi from all four corners of Karachi.

    Can any of you deny the fact that 90% Pushtoons lives on illegally occupied Government and Civilian Land of Karachi ?

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Dear Abbas Sahab,

      Pashtuns and Urdu Speaking Communities have no clash of interests whatsoever. Professions and Line of Work of both the communities are poles apart. MQM [if it wants to spread itself around the country for the "Middle Class Revolution" which it often talks about, should accept every party in Karachi and give space to others and that is necessary for Refuting the Negative Image of MQM] – This is just a friendly advice. MQM was part and parcel of Musharraf and right under Musharraf Rule [Sipah-e-Sahaba Contested Election from Jail and every Jihadi Org was allowed complete Freedom. Why didn't MQM Protest.] Reference with date and news clipping: "LIES"of General [R] Pervez Musharraf, Sharifs & Talibans. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/liesof-g

    • Aamir Mughal |

      People of Karachi just think for a second how all the karachi entry and exit points including Sohrab Goth, National Highway, Hub River Road(Exit point to Baluchistan) and Area around Port is now Officially occupied by illegal land grabbing, these areas are not accessible to law enforcement agencies and to common people as well.

      =========================

      Wrong again. Far more ruthless and vagabond Bugti was killed within his area and take a visit to Dera Bugti where you wouldn't find Raheja Bugti [The Royal Branch of Bugti Tribe – The branch of Akbar Bugti] so please don't tell that the "agencies have no access".

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Qalb e Abbas says: – June 23, 2010 at 10:54 pm Karachi is now completely surrounded by the Talibans and their alikes,

      =====================

      Dear Abbas Sahab,

      Watch a movie The Russians Are Coming the Russians Are Coming (1966) Your fear is shown in the movie made during the peak of Cold War against Communists.

      And do read this study prepared by Carnegie Endowment [Mullahs are nothing] The fear of an Islamic threat has been the driving force behind most Western countries’ foreign policies toward Pakistan in recent years. The possibility that violent Islamists will kill President Pervez Musharraf, throw Pakistan into turmoil, take over the country and its nuclear weapons, and escalate regional terrorism has dominated the psychological and political landscape. Such fears have usually led to support of the Pakistani military as the only institution able to contain the danger. But the Islamist threat is neither as great nor as autonomous as many assume. Pakistan: The Myth of an Islamist Peril By Frederic Grare Publisher: Carnegie Endowment Policy Brief #45, February 2006 http://www.carnegieendowment.org/files/45.grare.f

    • Al |

      Qalb e Abbas: This is an extremely racist statement that 90% of pushtuns live on illegally occupied land? Where have you come up with this figure? And what does it have anything to do with being a Pushtun?

      If the government cannot provide decent housing to the people, where are the poor going to go? Do they have any other option? Don't blame the people residing in Kachi Abadis. Blame the government.

  • Qalb e Abbas |

    Nazia

    Rangers are not under MQM, it is headed by a Maj Gen of Pakistan Army appointed by GHQ.

    don't pull leg of MQM in every matter as it only shows your sick mentality.

    • Nazia |

      I would reset your interlinks like that for your proper help.

      Rangers a known civilian force headed by Maj general of Pakistan army is selected By GHQ.MQM is under the control of GHQ in which means of communication is created by ranger- military officers.

      Nobody dare to pull legs of mqm as long army is in their back.

      Unchecked, uncontrollable Target killing is good lesson for opponents of mqm.I am alert and it is not sign of sick mentality but indication of real approach.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Qalb e Abbas says: June 23, 2010 at 10:57 pm Nazia

      Rangers are not under MQM, it is headed by a Maj Gen of Pakistan Army appointed by GHQ. don’t pull leg of MQM in every matter as it only shows your sick mentality.

      =====================

      Rangers are under control of Governor [Do read Protocol and Blue Book of Cabinet Division]. We are not pulling MQM in everything. Just friendly advice to learn from mistakes like this: Initially, the MQM was reluctant to hold a rally in Karachi on May 12. The then ISI DG Gen Ashfaq Kayani also had the same opinion that the MQM should not come out on the streets when Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry would visit Karachi. It was Huda who played an important role in convincing the MQM not to cancel its rally. He assured the MQM leadership that there will be no riots on that day though he was proved wrong. He was supposed to be very close to the then Army chief General Pervez Musharraf. However, no action was taken against him. De facto Sindh CM finally transferred Monday, April 21, 2008 By Hamid Mir http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id

    • Al |

      Amir Mughal: Not absolving MQM for the May 12 killings but i have started to take whatever Hamid Mir has to say with a pinch of salt. Because Kiyani is presently the Army Chief, Hamid Mir will bend over backwards to absolve him of all responsibility over all of the disastrous policies of Musharraf, conveniently ignoring his role & the positions he held under Musharraf.

      So the double game played by the Army is all Musharraf's fault & Kiyani was just a bhola bhala bacha who didn't know what was happening in the country. At least this is what Hamid Mir would like us to believe.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Al says: – June 25, 2010 at 2:14 pm Hamid Mir will bend over backwards to absolve him of all responsibility over all of the disastrous policies of Musharraf, conveniently ignoring his role & the positions he held under Musharraf. So the double game played by the Army is all Musharraf’s fault & Kiyani was just a bhola bhala bacha who didn’t know what was happening in the country. At least this is what Hamid Mir would like us to believe.

      ====================

      Point is noted, Sir.

  • Nazia |

    Abbas

    I am just giving you my personal experience but mughal is showing the real picture with proper reference o kindly point your finger toward him and his observation.

    I witnessed many times while my stay in Karachi that ranger provided full support to mqm people just like Taliban of Karachi who are per your observation is following the old miltiary strategy by cordoning off areas around Karachi

    These Taliban killed hundreds of innocent civilians in all Pakistan but never dared to attack a single time on any popular member of mqm who is always considered as strong critic of Taliban and ANP all the time.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Qalb e Abbas says: June 23, 2010 at 10:54 pm Can any of you deny the fact that 90% Pushtoons lives on illegally occupied Government and Civilian Land of Karachi ?

    =====================

    Yes, I deny that. Go the Board of Revenue and check the details of Land Encroached by Cantonment Boards. Ex Nazim Karachi Mr Mustafa Kamal had once protested when Rains had caused damaged and people raise finger on Mustafa Kamal to which he replied "don't complain because 13 Departments control Karachi so they should also shoulder responsibility not only the CDGK.

  • Ana-alHaq |

    Kalb-e-kalb-Altaf,

    and you are MQM propgandist??

    I guess talibans are the coast-guards too, you didn't cover that entry point of Karachi.

    You and your peer-kallan are mindless thugs. If pashtu speaking land mafias have taken the entry points of the city, the urdu speaking mafia has taken the living points of the city as land grabing opportunity.

    So don't blame it on one ethnic group, its everybody who has power. be it Panjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi or Muhajir.

    Right now media in Karachi is a hostage of MQM, they don't dare to speak against MQMafia. They know they could endup in a boree if they speak the truth. But do you think we the educated masses of Karachi are blind and don't see the truth?

    MQM did not give Muhajirs any thing other than a generation of mindless ASSASINS, who would murder at the will of BAREY-BHI.

    But MQM is not the only one to blame, this is the political culture of Pakistan. Was MQM any weaker, sindhi speaking dakoos would have committed the same crimes in Karachi as they do in interior sindh.

    The only reason Zardari is in bed with Altaf Hussain is (not that both are RANDWEY) but because its the will or OUR BAREY-SARKAAAR ;)

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Ana-alHaq says: – June 24, 2010 at 7:34 am Kalb-e-kalb-Altaf,

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    Dear Mr. Mansoor Hallaj,

    You are lecturing Mr. Kalb-e-Abbas on Politics and defending Taliban but the solgan [your nick Ana-alHaq means I am the Truth [mean I am Allah] is open Kufr [Disbelief]

    Mansoor Hallaj: But MQM is not the only one to blame, this is the political culture of Pakistan. Was MQM any weaker, sindhi speaking dakoos would have committed the same crimes in Karachi as they do in interior sindh.

    MAM: Why forget Jamat-e-Islami who helped Army in butchering East Pakistanis through Al Shams Al Badar. So, don't single out Sindhi Speaking alone because "Dacoits" can be in any group and for that we should malign entire community [majority of every community all over the world consist upon decent and hard working peaceful people]

    • Nazia |

      Qalb has two means in Arabic language

      Qalb with two dots is for heart and with line means dog.

      Abbas mean very angry, quarrel some nature.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Nazia says: – June 25, 2010 at 1:42 pm Qalb has two means in Arabic language Qalb with two dots is for heart and with line means dog. Abbas mean very angry, quarrel some nature.

      =======================

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      It is is not spelled in Arabic as written by Mr Abbas above.

      In Arabic it is started with "Kaaf" Kalb means Dong. There is no harm in having this name or title because one of the Wife [May Allah have mercy on her soul] of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] belonged to Bani Kalb [means a Tribe who owned lot of Hunting Dogs {Tabari, Ibn Khaldun, Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya and Tabaqat-Ibn-e-Sa'ad]

      Abbas mean Brave [name of the Uncle of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] i.e. Abbas Bin Abdul Muttalib [May Allah be pleased with him] and Hazrat Abbas was very sweet man to live with and was very humble in nature. He was a close and a very good friend of Abu Sufiyan Bin Harb (RA) [Father of Ameer Muawiyah and Father in Law of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] {Ref: same as above}

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Mr. Mansoor Hallaj: We should NOT malign or generalize entire community [majority of every community all over the world consist upon decent and hard working peaceful people] to prove our point. Did I say anything "Prejudiced" anywhere above to prove my point.

  • Not-Ana-alHaq |

    Aamir,

    First of all, I changed the nick.

    "You are lecturing Mr. Kalb-e-Abbas on Politics and defending Taliban…"

    Where did I defend Taliban?

    Does exposing MQMs propaganda means supporting taliban? You sound like Altaf Hussain.

    2ndly, I said Sindhi speaking dakooz, that means dakooz could be of any language. Why did you pick the 'Lakree'? Chor kee darhee main tinka?

    3rd:"MAM: Why forget Jamat-e-Islami who helped Army in butchering East Pakistanis through Al Shams Al Badar"

    They must be playaing in the hands of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, when they didn't accept the rule of majority or may be both Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and jamat-e-islami were enjoying the warm lap of our Heroes in Pakistan Army. IRONY eh!!!!!

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Not-Ana-alHaq says: – June 25, 2010 at 4:36 am 3rd:”MAM: Why forget Jamat-e-Islami who helped Army in butchering East Pakistanis through Al Shams Al Badar” They must be playaing in the hands of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, when they didn’t accept the rule of majority or may be both Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and jamat-e-islami were enjoying the warm lap of our Heroes in Pakistan Army. IRONY eh!!!!!

      ========================

      Wrong. Read Mian Muhammad Tufail's speeches in favour of Yahya Khan's PCO in the then newspaper "quote" this PCO is a guarantee of Islamic Rule" do watch the "Jawabdeh" wherein Mian Tufial [now dead] had defended Military Operation in East Pakistan.

    • Al |

      @Mughal: I think almost all of the then West Pakistan's leadership is to blame over the mess we created in East Pakistan – that includes military, political & civil leadership. The generals were in the driving seat but they were being pushed from behind by the politicians who had their own narrow interests.

      From what i have been told by my father & uncles, West Pakistani's generally looked down upon the Bengalis. There were very very few sane voices pointing out the injustices we were doing to them.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Al says: = June 25, 2010 at 2:40 pm @Mughal: I think almost all of the then West Pakistan’s leadership is to blame over the mess we created in East Pakistan – From what i have been told by my father & uncles, West Pakistani’s generally looked down upon the Bengalis. There were very very few sane voices pointing out the injustices we were doing to them.

    =========================

    1000% agreed. If you would go through the Editorials of the Then Nawae-Waqt [Rampantly Prejudiced and fiercely Racist Anti Bengali] you would be forced to think as if Bengalis were Zionists. Such was the hate for Bengalis who were the backbone of Pakistan even Pakistan Resolution of Lahore was drafted by Maulvi A K Fazle Haq [later he was declared Anti State by the West Pakistani Leaseholder of Two Nation Theory, Islam and Pakistan]

  • Al |

    @Mughal: The Carnegie report you have quoted above gives a pretty realistic picture of the balance of power in Pakistan. I think it is a must read.

    But the general tone of the article reeks of a colonial mindset – We (western governments) should demand this; We should do this; We should require this and so on……

    The report goes on to say:

    "After they are in government, civilians face the almost impossible task of balancing the imperatives of civilian politics with the sensitivities of the military’s top commanders, a task exacerbated by civilian leaders’ lack of governmental autonomy. They have not and could not have performed better than the military. This, in turn, discredited democratic politics in Pakistan."

    This is spot on but I would like to add that there is also a lack of will on the part of the politicians. The civilian government generally does not seem interested in dabbling in foreign & defense policies. They are quite willing to let the military run these policies & give them their cues as long as the military leaves them sufficient space to enjoy the fruits of government.

    We have a somewhat similar situation in Turkey where the military even has a constitutionally mandated role. The AKP party has gradually been wresting control from the military leadership & they have acted wisely. But that is only happening because the civilian leadership is capable, competent & interested in making the institutions stronger – unlike in Pakistan where the individuals have more importance over institutions. When the military opposed their candidate for President, Abdullah Gul, they called for a fresh elections. And they managed to get Abdullah Gul elected despite strong opposition from their military establishment. I doubt any party in Pakistan would call elections over a candidate in the fear that they might lose the government to opposition if elections are held.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      From the article above

      "QUOTE"

      In 1979 encouraged by the West, Iraq invaded Iran, to defeat the Islamic Revolution.

      "UNQUOTE"

      Aslam Beg says West pushed Iraq to attack Iran to counter the alleged Islamic [Read Mullah Revolution in Iran]. What about the same West who was helping Pakistan in Afghan Jihad

      Ronald Reagan, Afghan Mujahideen, Talibans & Royal Mess.
      http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/ronald-r

    • Aamir Mughal |

      From the article above

      “QUOTE”

      In 1979 encouraged by the West, Iraq invaded Iran, to defeat the Islamic Revolution.

      “UNQUOTE”

      Reality of the so-called Iranian Islamic Revolution:

      “QUOTE”

      Khomeini spent more than 14 years in exile, mostly in the holy Shia city of Najaf, Iraq. Initially he was sent to Turkey on 4 November 1964 where he stayed in the city of Bursa for less than a year. He was hosted by a colonel in Turkish Military Intelligence named Ali Cetiner in his own residence, who couldn’t find another accommodation alternative for his stay at the time. Later in October 1965 he was allowed to move to Najaf, Iraq, where he stayed until being forced to leave in 1978, after then-Vice President Saddam Hussein forced him out (the two countries would fight a bitter eight year war 1980-1988 only a year after the two reached power in 1979) after which he went to Neauphle-le-Château in France on a tourist visa, apparently not seeking political asylum, where he stayed for four months. Read more in http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-i

      "UNQUOTE"

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      Mirza Aslam Beg should refresh his International Affairs studies [dumb]

      From the article above

      “QUOTE”

      In 1979 encouraged by the West, Iraq invaded Iran, to defeat the Islamic Revolution.

      “UNQUOTE”

      Reality of the so-called Iranian Islamic Revolution: Ayatullah Khomeini, Ronald Reagan & Iran-Contra Affair.
      http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/ayatulla

    • Al |

      Ibrahim: Mirza Aslam Beg is so full of himself – it is funny. I am literally laughing at his narcissism.

      In the article all the other generals were duffers – after discussing for 3 hours they could only conjure up one scenario – that Iraq would overrun Iran. Only Mr. Intelligent Aslam Beg knew what was going to happen.

      In hindsight, can't everyone claim to be very intelligent.

    • Al |

      hahahaha. Is Aslam Beg always the last one to speak? And he always makes 4-5 points & sab ki batti band ho jaati he. hahahahaha The man is a genius.

      We don't even know what all the conditionalities were & Aslam Beg knows we accepted all of them.

      Quote

      “The Afghans, Pakistani jihadis and many freedom fighters, from many countries of the world, have embraced Shahadat for the Afghan cause. For Pakistan to join the American war in Afghanistan, would amount to compromising and bartering away the blood and sacrifices of the martyrs (Shuhada) – an unforgivable sin and God knows, how to punish the sinner.”

      Unquote

      What Afghan cause? Since he was part of the the army establishment backing the 80's 'jihad' with the help of infidel Americans that is alright, perfectly moral, Islamic & everything.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Al says: June 26, 2010 at 10:42 am hahahaha. Is Aslam Beg always the last one to speak? Quote “The Afghans, Pakistani jihadis and many freedom fighters, from many countries of the world, have embraced Shahadat for the Afghan cause."unquote"

      ===============

      That is why Prince Turki Al Faisal [s/s Shah Faisal] after bad mouthing Mullah Omar [after 911], had requested USA to bomb Afghanistan [Ref: The Ghost War] now read Aslam Beg says Saddam Hussein stopped "Islamic Revolution of Iran" if It was Islamic Revolution of Iran was Islamic then would Beg Sahab like to tell use what is the Religion of Saudi Arabia who bankrolled Saddam War against Iran, Saudi Arabia also bankrolled Afghan War. Read. Corrupt, Vile & Filthy: Arabs, Aal-e-Saud, & Wahhaabis. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/06/corrupt-

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Al says: – June 26, 2010 at 10:34 am Ibrahim: Mirza Aslam Beg is so full of himself – it is funny. I am literally laughing at his narcissism. In the article all the other generals were duffers

      ==================

      Dear Al,

      Read as to how Aslam Beg of course with the American Help "fixed duffer Generals" on 17 Aug 1988 [Aijazul Haq and Humayun Akhtar are still raising hell against Mirza Sahab]

      Brigadier (R) Imtiaz, Death of General Zia & American Conspiracy! http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/09/brigadie

  • Nazia |

    Ibrahim

    Gen mirza is enjoying his luxurious life style as defense specialists in pa

    lace like villas in general's colony.He is no more in position to even clean the mess which he spread during his time.All serving generals are following same foot steps what he had done in his tenure.Followed the interest of US and allies and fill their pockets as per demand.

    So Pakistan is one of unlucky state in this world where her establishment are rated on top in corruption and incompetency when they are on job .but they behave like top class advisers when they are finally retired from govt job.

    They are just like coals which tend to be diamond when thrown out from the line of duty.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      Dear Ms. Nazia,

      One of my post is pending in moderation [with link] which has thoroughly exposed this "Quagmire" of Islamic Revolution in the region.

  • Nazia |

    A1

    these generals spend their last 5 6 years as viceroy of Pakistan.Easy life ,luxurious facilities which are even not available to US president, lot of flattery subordinates, large man powers to salute them and their wives all the time.

    In this period they all forget that from where they had come, what are their real objectives during job. Weak civilian govt has given them some kind of superiority complex that they are better managers and decision makers of whole nation.

    As they are not put on the scale of accountability which is mandatory action in all kind of Job,they are indulged in complex as saviors of Pakistan so they have plenty of time to act like think tanks which have no wheels to even drag for a while.

    So these white elephants when on job monthly gather in core commander conference to decide the fate of majority under power of gun and on retirement spread pearls of stupidities as sign of intellectualism just like Aslam beig and all do in front of media.

  • Nazia |

    Mughal

    You say

    Mirza Aslam Beg should refresh his International Affairs studies [dumb]

    Try to convey this message to gen beig or put it in his blog or face book and get ready for lengthy baseless lectures from A to Z.

    I call him as altaf bhai of Pak army.

    Ready to deliever all time baseless lectures without demand of public and what ever the problem , he has same kind of theme which is misunderstood to general public always.Only difference is that army training stops him to make hoarse cry in which Altaf bahi got specialization during his self imposed political exile in UK.

  • Nazia |

    Did you get any response from our talented general?

    It is important how he negate your observation.

    • Aamir Mughal |

      He can shove his "Response" wherever it is appropriate. I was just telling the Truth to those who would have misguided by Mirza Aslam Beg.

  • Dania Shah |

    well said, and nice observation.

    This type of people are enjoying the luxury like they are living in no man's land.