Open letter from Salman Ahmed to Bilal Musharraf
I share with you an open letter sent by Salman Ahmed of Junoon to Bilal Musharraf, son of General Pervaiz Muhsarraf, I had received the email directly from Salman but had resisted the urge to post it since I thought he may have not meant it to go public, but when I read that this email exchange was posted up on PkPolitics.com i decided to share it with my readers as well –
Post updated at 20:17 with a letter from a Pakistani asking Bilal Musharraf some honest questions
The first email from Bilal Musharraf to Salman Ahmed
I am compelled once again to share another personal anecdote, rather a saga¦ and apologize in advance for the length of the account. This one is about Salman Ahmed.
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You read heaps and write heaps
And bury your head in books
Light is everywhere but where you are
And you haven’t a clue how to reach itMarking time in extra prayers
Climbing a minaret and screeching
Mounting a pulpit and preaching – -
All this has nothing to do with knowledgeCryptic Sciences? Enough already!
Aleph is all you need ¦. Iko aleph teray darkaar
Title: Aleph
Album: Parvaaz
Lyrics: Bulley Shah
Music: Salman AhmadSalman has been a close friend and a spiritual guide of sorts since 1998. It started with an email I wrote to Salman (got his email address from my brother-in-law) in a moment of unabashed inspiration after listening to Ali Azmat sing “Aleph? over and over again. From what I remember, “Aleph: A Call to Basics? was the subject line of that email. I was star struck when I heard back from Salman, and pursued further correspondence that developed into a friendship. My brother-in-law Asim had made Junoon’s first video ‘Sayonee,? The video, along with the amazing album ‘Azadi’ had propelled Junoon to become the best international band by Channel V in 1998. Asim went on to make videos for Junoon’s live concert at central park in 1998 (a tribute to Nusrat Fateh Ali), “Yaar Bina,? “Bulleya?, and “Saqi Nama.?
It was the live concert in NY where I finally met Salman for the very first time. I had been married six months and my wife and I drove down from Boston as typical “groupies? singing Junoon’s songs all the way on the drive over to the concert. The attached picture below will probably better articulate our “junooni? state. In the packed to capacity crowd of 20,000 at the summer stage, I had picked my wife up on my shoulders because she couldn’t see anything¦. In fact a Friday Times journalist who wrote about the concert included an image of the of us swooning to the music, and captioning the picture “On Top of the World?. This was 1998, prior to the anomalous events that were to happen in my life and I remember my parents and my in-laws getting a good laugh out of the embarrassing moment caught on camera. I also remember this concert as the high point of Junoon’s fame.So what began as a random email exchange led to a friendship that is now close to a decade old. The events of this year have unfortunately cast a shadow on the authenticity of the relationship, and I stand guarded with regard to where we stand today. Salman was one of very few individuals that I reached out to on a regular basis to bounce off thoughts and ideas, seeking guidance in managing my emotional and psychological self. He has been a source of support and inspiration, and I truly grateful to him for that. His valuable insights (Salman’s extremely well read), were meaningful for me in negotiating with circumstances that I unexpectedly found myself in. I feel that for Salman, music is a platform but I really feel he is best suited to play a bigger role in the scheme of things. I used to describe Salman as a Sufi to the core. He walked the walk and talked the talk, when it came to standing up for what he believed in. However here is where I start feeling sad and disappointed¦. Because I don’t know what he believes in anymore. Please allow me to explain.
The first time my alarm bells rang were regarding the future of the band Junoon itself. I remember having a conversation in which I tried to persuade husband and wife, Salman and Samina, that since Ali and Brian were dropping out of the band, that Salman no longer use junoon’s name. Why? Because Salman’s personal musical and intellectual journey was going in a direction that Junoon’s music might not have gone, had the band and the fans stayed together. Not that I could speak for “the fans?, I was just one of them. In my humble opinion the “junoon? phenomenon was not just Salman, Ali and Brian, it was also the 1990s, the newly unleashed power of rock, and a youth bulge feeling stifled and desperately looking for change. For any one band member to unilaterally try to run with junoon might take away from the junoon experience, similar to how Matrix II and III actually ended up eroding Matrix I. Let it be, was my verdict. So many new bands had come up, who paid homage to Junoon (Noori, Jal etc.) for opening the doors, but were much better at riding the youth’s passion. In fact I made a half baked pitch to take the character “Jeem? from Junoon perhaps, and broaden its domain as being “Jeem? for “jiddojehed, jurrat, jazba? etc. not just passion ala junoon. In a shallow vein, I suggested looking at what happened to the men’s clothing store “Structure? as an example. “Express?, which was a women’s clothing line acquired “Structure? and started calling it “Express for Men? but it failed. Men simply refused to wear clothes that said Express on them because they didn’t feel it was right. I feel something similar is happening to Junoon.
The second context of the alarm bells had to do with feeling uncomfortable hearing messianic verdicts from Salman regarding my father until maybe last year, to the extent that I felt a need to discount the faith in autocracy as being able to deliver on all fronts. As Joel Polodny (current Dean at Yale, former OB professor at GSB) put it, “In the short term, performance can almost always be enhanced by foregoing logic of person and emphasizing logic of position. In the long term however, logic of person (read: vision) facilitates accountability, flexibility, and motivation. Leadership depends on a balance.? I was a bit disappointed when a picture of Salman and my father that I had taken some years back when Salman met me in Pindi appeared on Junoon’s website (http://www.junoon.com/news_archive2003.htm). Although Salman had asked for the picture, he had not indicated that it would go on the website, let alone also be credited to me publicly! In any case, I reconciled with that as no big deal.
This year though, has left me truly disappointed and hurt. If Salman feels the need to neutralize the burden of prior public contact with my father with his venomous rhetoric, I find it not just unjust but truly unfair. Looking back today, I am unable to decipher whether his motivation for prior public overtures towards my father were selfless or selfish in nature. I told him just last month in Calgary (at the Mystical Journey Tour: http://www.theismaili.org/he2-3.htm) the difference between him and Bono is that Bono wouldn’t post a picture with Bush on his own website, even if he sees the President as an instrument of change and not the personification of it.
No one is perfect, I realize. However to the extent one can, one must try to reduce one’s integrity gap which someone defined aptly as the difference between lived values and stated values.
Bilal [Musharraf]
Response by Salman Ahmed to Bilal Musharraf
Dear Bilal,
Thanks for this shared e-mail. I’ve never publicly responded to you but am compelled to do so now. I’ll respond to the public part of your criticism of my changed stance against your father’s policies. For the record, my support for your father’s vision of “enlightened moderation” was never based on any personal expectations or “marketing” (rock musicians dont usually like hanging out with military dictators) My prior public support to your father’s govt. along with that of the vast majority of Pakistanis was given in the belief that he would deliver on his public promises to fight extremism, respect civil institutions,bring accountability to corrupt politicians, open up a free and independent media and reduce the immoral gap between Pakistan’s rich and poor. The picture that you took of me with your dad was taken in 2003,when I felt that the international media was cynically and wrongly depicting Pakistan as a total terrorist state being defended by “only” one pro-western moderate Pakistani, your father. Although i was ridiculed by many for doing so, but i chose to put that picture on the Junoon website after the assasination attempts on your father in December 2003. The picture was meant to symbolise the majority support of Pakistan’s civil society for the fight against extremism and lawlessness. That picture and my support for your father’s govt (WHICH YOU WOULD VOUCH,I HAVE NEVER ABUSED FOR PERSONAL GAIN NOR HAVE MY FAMILY OR FRIENDS) was never meant to be taken as a blank check for the state machinery to run amok and start dismantling civil institutions, making deals with crooks and plunderers, treating civil servants like common criminals, kidnapping and killing innocent Pakistanis under the guise of the “war on terror” and illegally spying, torturing and jailing thousands of Pakistanis (which include national heroes, supreme court judges, lawyers, rights activists, house wives and students).
My recent op-ed in the Washington post and my public disassociation with your father should not be a surprise to you. I wrote many candid e-mails to you in August and September of this year,sharing my concern about your father’s policies and his govt’s high handed tactics.You responded by saying I was being too harsh to which I reminded you that true friends are not meant to be mistaken for sycophants and cronies but are a True barometer of the public’s perceptions.You chose to ignore these warning e-mails and dismissed them as “emotionalism”. Even when you visited me while I was on tour in Canada in October, you promised that there would be no reason to impose emergency in Pakistan and you assured me that your father respects the judiciary and has spoken to the chief justice of the supreme court in this regard. Alas, even that myth has now been totally shattered. The supreme court judges are also citizens of Pakistan who have courageously tried to stick to the letter and the spirit of the law for which they are being punished by your father’s govt. Why is this so?All that I write above is not just my view but the view of millions of Pakistanis and independent observers. I’m not writing out of spite or revenge but conveying the voice of Pakistan’s not so silent majority. As an artist I have also publicly criticized previous Pakistani rulers who like your dad made the mistake of not respecting civil society or civil institutions and I will continue to do so in the future as well. Staying silent is no longer an option, Art disturbs and artists have no choice but to listen to their conscience.
Yours Sincerely,
Salman AhmadP.S. I still have the e-mails that I wrote to you privately which reflect my public disapproval of your father’s deviation from his self confessed path of enlightened moderation, I can resend them if you’d like.
Updated with a response from a Pakistani
Dear Mr Bilal Musharraf,
I don’t know you personally and have absolutely nothing personally against you or your father. Since the civil society and those understanding law i.e. lawyers are up against the way things have unfolded in our beloved nation, I have decided to write to you. Can you please care to answer the following questions ( no I am not on any agenda nor any foreign govt has paid me to protest against your father, I am just an ordinary citizen)
- Are we children of lesser God that your father while addressing western audience time and again declares that this country cannot have western way of democracy
- What divine right he has to give himself extension after extension what agenda he has to finish or is it personal lust of power he seems to have
- What personal grudge he has against civil society while fighting a war on terror against fundamentalists
- Do you think it is possible in western society (barring Bush) to govern a country like your father is doing. He is making amendments after amendment to keep himself at hem of affairs courtesy, Malik Qayyum, Peerzada and many more like them
- A man is known by the company he keeps, look at the people he is surrounded by Big arm Wasi Zafar, Sher afghan, Shujjat, Sheikh Rashid, Ahmad Raza Qasuri. They are national embarrassment. Can you put your hand on your heart and say your father could not find any bright, intellectual patriotic Pakistan amongst 160 million people or he convenient has surrounded by pathetic, sycophants who say only things he wants to hear. THEY ARE AN INSULT TO OUR INTELLIGENCE
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- Why has democracy not been allowed to flourish. I want these corrupt politicians to be voted out by not hounded by ISI, NAB. Why are Nab-wanted politicians like Saleh Hayat, Sherpao in your father’s cabinet. I am not for any current politicians but like a child learns to walk and falters many time before start walking, I want people 160 millions of them to learn to walk and vote them out. For God sake give these people a chance to walk and learn
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Bad democracy is better than good dictatorship. We are not serfs or subhumans, we can learn too you know. Imagine if your father while he was teaching you how to walk had treated you with similar disdain and impatience
We want rule of law. I as an ordinary citizen can understand the contradictions in your father’s statement no matter how much links his personal ambition with national interest he fails to do so. I am 45 years old and have seen a few eras in my life. I had looked for heroes for my time and couldnot find any until recently. I am proud to live in this time and witness scores of lawyers, judges, students ordinary civil society, media anchor people standing up for one thing rule of law. My nation has a hope. This hope is not from privileged people in power but the above mentioned heroes.
Dear Sir, I will not be surprised if suddenly I am hounded by your agencies and may end up with renal failure. (isn’t it the fate of many brave men who dare to criticize your father) But remember, history is very cruel and Khuda ki lathee bay awaz hoti hay. have some perspective and comes of delusions and paranoia. zaban-e-khalq ko naqaar-e-khuda samjho
I salute Salman Ahmad for his stand. Music has come alive again. John Lennon will be proud of you. As far as Mr President is concerned “Grave yard of this world if full of indispensible people” Sirf allah ka naam raya ga.
Best wishes
Nighat
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YES ,please Bilaal, save your father, ask him to take a break, get out of the box he is in , come stay in boston or oak brook, He seems to not realize that whatever his intentions and knowledge may be ,He is hurting Pakistan now, Its a stage wehre it is not any more what he does or doesnt do, HE himself is hurting the country. May be his biggest achievment in the end would be that he inspired a dead Judiciary to “stand up “
A sincere advise to Bilal bhai. Could you please forward this article to your father ?
“After all you are a human being” by JC
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100308148&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20071130
I recommend him reading AC or JC oftenly for some sincere advise:
He can read AC online here
http://dawn.com.pk/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm
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I dont care two hoots for either Salman or Bilal. But the fact remaisn that why in God’s name would Bilal trust a ROCK STAR and look up to him for spiritual guidance.
Bilal – HELLO you are for sure a gullible idiot.
As for the very popular sport of Musharraf Bashing that is not new by any account.
We Pakistanis as a nation are known to bring people in as heroes with full pomp and baja and the departure is always without any break most disgraceful. Salee jaisee Qoum Hay waisay hee leaders miltay hain.
No son is accountable for his father’s actions and nor is Bilal. Spare him with your idiotic, passionate nationalism.
Dear Khawar,
It is Bilal himself who chooses to attack people (who oppose his father) in public, not the other way round. If you had cared to read the email exchange you would have noticed that Bilal went after Salman.
Bilal also posted an article in chowk.com after Oct 12, 1999 defending his fathers unconstitutional act.
As Ali Azmat said in one of the interviews. Salman loves to be in front of camera and in lime light. He would do anything to be popular. He is no ones friend. Bilal u made the biggest mistake to become a back stabbers friend. Think about it.. he does not even know the alif Bee of singing and he sings under name of Junoon and as you noticed yet again that he didnt even bother answering your question about Using Name Junoon. As far as Your dad is concerned. I still fully support him. He is where he is not because of him but people around him who screwd him over. He tried to impose his policies and everything was going great untill your dad decided to get some help from these ediots. Thank god they are not in power any more. People tend to forget that they hated Benazir and Nawas Sharif as much as they are hating Musharaf now.
Bottom Line… Ur dad made some of Best and Some of the worse decisions. Now things are out of controll and he cant handle them but unfortunately he thinks that he can controll them…… I hope he is right….
Musharraf’s Economic Deception
General Musharraf took over the reigns of power in 1999 from Nawaz Sharif with the Pakistan economy on the verge of bankruptcy. So desperate was the situation Nawaz Sharif toured the world visiting Pakistanis with a begging bowl requesting them to invest in Pakistan due to the sanctions imposed on Pakistan for carrying out nuclear tests. Incoherent, short-term policies had resulted in a minority of people benefiting immensely, who incidentally were directly linked to the Sharif family.
Both the IMF and the World Bank have consistently praised the Musharraf government for solid macroeconomic recovery and saving the Pakistan economy from the brink of economic collapse. They cite the $128bn generated under his tenure. Many commentators are eager to explain that the Musharraf government has made substantial macroeconomic reforms since taking over the economy in 1999. The argument of the few Musharraf loyalists being that he has brought a degree of stability to Pakistan that the country never knew under civilian rule.
Part 1 of this two part series will assess this claim and analyse the current state of Pakistan’s economy which shows it is in a far more precarious position:
Edited by Teeth Maestro ……the entire article written by Tariq Naeem was so relevant that I have converted it into a full blog post in itself, please read it here at
Musharraf’s Economic Deception – Part 1
@ Bilal Musharraf
Do u like to die, similar to those your father killed….??
1. Hundreds of inocents childrens in northern areas by Bombing
2. Hundreds of inocents students boys/gals in Islamabad by White Phosphorus Bombs (Jamia Hafsa/Lal Masjid)
3. Hundreds of People in Balochistan
4. Hundreds of May 12 in Karachi
Please, Please say YES… Dare dieing like those … You and Your father, Your whole family have blood on their hands of hundreds of inocents childrens, men and women ….
Spritual Guidance for you:
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Normally people die in 60’s. so shall you and your father in next couple of years
Bilal,
Why did the Telegraph from London call your father a “sonofabitch” in it’s editorial.
If you you or your grandmother Zarin Musharraf had any self-respect you would have taken Musharraf to task for bringing a bad name on your family.
Billy,
Please dont let people say anything about your father. After all he has given you an inherentence worth millions in paksitan and outside paksitan you know just in case. Go Musharaff Go. Just go to hell.
hello all,
my name bilal musharraf. I in boston. My daddy have grey mustache. Daddy douche bag. He not know what he do. i no likes. I like salman ahmad, he hot. I want love with him but i married.
I hear khawar comment. He goof. I type too much, I sleep now. I request all, plz hurt not my dad, he just stupid idiot, he not know what he do. thankies.
your,
bilal
Congratulatory letter to General Musharraf
Keep the Fires Burning
Mr President, I just wanna extend my heartfelt congratulations to you for conquering Pakistan yet again with the help of Pak Army.
With your earnest efforts and military support we will achieved what we Indians have pathetically failed to accomplish so far.
Remember, our and yours ultimate goal should be total dismemberment of Pakistan. We are extremely grateful to you for doing what we had assumed impossible.
Please ensure that each and every institution of Pakistan is corrupted, destroyed and gutted to ashes before leaving. A friend like you is hard to find. Crush Pakistan and bloody Pakis. Teach them a lesson they should never forget in life. Show them the power of people, over and over again as you have already thankfully doing.
Mr President, corrupt the very soul of the nation so thoroughly that they lose the last rationale to survive as a nation state. Sir, please keep on distorting the vision of so-called Pakistan; continue destroying its identity beyond recognition. How? Exactly as you have been doing ever since. You are genius indeed. It is hard if not impossible to find a better nation destructor than you.
It was marvellous when you gathered the cream of corrupt politicians under the tutelage of pragmatism dubbed as patriots and like-minded. Then you crown that gathering by adding a number of absconders, alleged murderers from MQM in your government. When you found that team not performing, you introduced NRO to bring in the last remaining vestiges of crime in all its forms and manifestations. Now by the grace of your Allah mega cheat to multiple murderers all have become kosher, ready to serve you and dig the grave of country.
Gravest treachery has been presented and marketed as patriotism. Long Live Patriots aka Afgans et al.
Sir, I am doubtful, if any one single individual in the history of humankind has ever inflicted this much damage to one nation. Pitting Pathans against saala Punjabis, alienating Balochs and Sindhis with lousy bharaks and wanton force, patronizing Mohajirs to an extent that they become a state on its own are the accomplishments that no single politician can even dream of achieving, despite taking birth thrice.
Pol Pot purged Cambodia of intellectuals; your historic feat has been to cleanse Pakistani society of ethics, integrity and uprightness. Today, not even a single honest member of superior judiciary is under house arrest. All Nabbed became ministers, all men of character are being tried for treason and terrorism. What a fun, indeed. Dama Dum Mast Qalandar, would Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan have sung. I would say, keep the fires burning.
Your personal interests, your private ambitions are supreme national interests. Period. Crush all those fool heads who dare to protest as you did in Karachi- twice.
Kindly take this emergency theatre as a God-sent gift to you for completing the project bestowed upon you 8 years back. You kill the soul of Pakistan; we will take it out physically. Together we will wipe the bloody Pakis off from the face of earth.
We Indians are highly grateful for transforming once formidable fighting force of Pak Army into timid pussycats. Keep them fully preoccupied with real-estate, wheeling and dealing of petty political affairs, planting bombs here and there and Jey Ram we will take Lahore without facing a single khaki bullet. Well, taking good care of ghairat-mand civilian Musla wouldnt be that difficult if you keep on baptising them to enlightened moderation.
It was an undoubtedly master stroke when you recently pegged the safety of Paki nuclear assets to your own perpetuation in office. Since that day, several countries have been openly war-gaming to secure so-called nuclear assets of Pakistan. As you have showed them the way, you should now also help them by providing the last missing pieces of information. Thereafter, your future will be fully insured.
I am sure that India & Israel will confer the highest civil and military awards on your departure (shortly).
On behalf of yours grateful Indian Fans,
Sincerely yours,
Rajesh Kumar Sandhu
Uppsala
Sweden
rajesh.kumar.sandhu@gmail.com
Sohna
I appreciate your braveness. You are playing a vital role in this typical situation. History bears the fact that our all general who ruled over Pakistan meet their facts.
Inshallah Musharaf will kill by a patriot person. He is son of bitch. I am doubtful regarding the birth of Bilal i think so that he is son of bush or senior bush. His grand mother was a dancer. She won a prize during a party. Musharaf admit in his book.
Soemone put it quite aptly “Salee Jaisee Koum Hay Waisa Hee Leader Milta Hay”
Man looking at your language and thought I feel sick and wanna puke. Is that how you would talk about your mother or grandmother, perhaps where you come from this is a norm and women are treated like that as it happens in hamlets and Chaks all over Pakistan.
Afsoos Sud Afsoos
Dear Bilal,
Never thought I would find myself going onto websites and reading emails between two persons. I was quite alarmed to learn of this rather open communication between yourself and Salman Ahmed. Thought I must check it out myself…. I do not know Salman Ahmed nor have I met him. I do know him by reputation to be the mature Junoon member; not something I can say about his co-members (I meet one quite regularly on the social circuit in KHI, talk about being stuck in adolecence!).
Without going into specifics and long explanations; I have my reasons. I feel that since June ‘07 the people of Pakistan have shown how myopic their understanding of state affairs is. They are not fully receptive of the ground realities nor situtions that can lead to the necessiy of tough decisions.
I think I missed the part when my brothers and sisters in Pakistan became law abiding and a nation of persons able to lift fingers at others. Please remind me when they: stopped breaking traffic lights,stopped burning wives, stopped mutilating children to beg, stopped cutting lanes when driving, started walking on foot paths, registered their vehicles on time, stopped tinting car windows, stopped using fancy horns, stood in lines, didn’t go against one ways, didn’t use electricity kundas, lawyers and journalists stopped using bumper plates with their tiles on them etc… We are not worth being able to call President sahab names and critisize him. 9/10 of us are guilty of breaking ALL of our civic duties as citizens of Pakistan. We are the problem of Pakistan. Not the one person who has sepped forward to sort out our mess.
I will not use this media to explain myself. Don’t despair, some of us undestand. You need to know you are not alone and A LOT OF PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND.
InshaAllah Paistan will survive and coninue to prosper. May God give President Sahab the strengh and the courage to continue his battles for this (his) Nation. Ameen.
Its not easy here. I am a large scale employer in KHI, and I can share with you this fact that we are a naion of schizophrenics at large. 9am – 5pm we are ready to beg, steel, lie, swear, not pray, take bribes, character assasinations, office politics; basically every “shirk”. Then from 5pm – 9am we are at home pretending to be good fathers, brothers, mothers and sisters pretending that our whole day was honest, “paak”, refrain from bad language and hurting each other. Why can’t we cut the schizophrenia (dual personality disorder) and simply become the 5pm – 9am kind of people?!
Dr J Mughal
Bilal Musharraf should also take a cue from the sons of the Late and ruthless Khan of Kalabagh – they shot him dead!
Just a note, although I agree with Salman Ahmad’s clarifications, his credibility takes a big hit from being associated with self promoting, Fox News sweethearts the Hasan Family. Am attaching a link:
http://www.isufirock.com/blogs/index.html
It is a sad day for Music and especially sufism when they are associated with the mercenary, glib likes of the Gul Hasan family. I agree with Zarak, “Salee Jaisee Koum Hay Waisa Hee Leader Milta Hay
So Disappointing.
Children should not suffer because of the incompetent self-righteousness of a father – even though they may be benefitting from it in many ways… does it make any sense… I dont know… what I do know is that I was illegally persecuted and my entire familly was destroyed. We lost our house, our entire possessions, our everything and became homeless. We would not have survived had the British government not provided us with refuge. The question is, what was the fault of my two daughters who were aged thirteen and eleven at the time. They also had pride in their father…
Subsequently, the government (NAB) admitted its mistake but was not bothered to provide justice. On the other hand, they found it more expedient to brush the matter under the carpet. They openly said that I was a collateral damage in their war against corruption. I did though receive a response from the President through an e-mail but nothing happened afterwards. The High Commissioner in the UK phoned me as well and was sympathetic but thats all, there was no justice. I of course simply did not have close contacts with the Bari Cheemas, Major Tariq’s and Rabbani’ and the Hanafi’s of this world to get personal justice from the sincere President… Though, ironically, I was given an award by this same President for my IT achievemnets to Pakistan. And Sommro gave me an award for contributing towards caravan Karachi.
My wife, my daughters and myself are still living with the trauma…and now our last hope, the judiciary is also gone…
Bilal and his sister may be very fine people…but why are they so special, why are they being protected… does other people dont have children…? Would it be fair or unfair to persecute them one day for being the children of a father who has destroyed so many lives, would it be unfair… or would it be poetic justice…?
Well… i finally get to express my views about this ‘intellectual’ discussion between Bilal Musharraf n Salman Ahmed. First of all… I would like to apologize to Bilal Musharrafd on behalf of all these stoopid @!#$@$ including Salman Ahmed who dun have enuff gutts to wipe off their mid-life crises and still find the audacity to criticize rather abuse leaders like President Musharraf!
the problem with these incoherent idiots is they belong to the pseudo progressive co-opted class of Pakistan. Retards they r…. retards they shall be… lawyers, musicians, journalists, n village idiots (politicians) they come out in numbers n scream their lungs out…. on the streets, in front of embassies n all… n if u just ask y the hell they r upto it… they’ll come out with all these idiotic monologues abt bankrupt economy?!?! poverty?!?!?! inflation?!?!? terrorism?!?! the hell!! all wat other pseudo ‘intellectuals’ like talat hussain, dr shahid masood, kamran khan etc etc have fed into their minds…
we talk abt kids being brainwashed to become terrorists… Bilal bhai we have an entire group of people brain washed to believe that wateva Musharraf sahab does is baaaad for the country!! n this has happened in the last one year! just after march 2007… before that all of these jerks including salman ahmed were happy with musharraf sahab… shame on them! If it wasnt fer Ali Azmat… he wldnt have even had Junoon! Retard!
We, the business students and professionals of Pakistan realize wat has the Musharraf regime done for the country! This economic turnaround has been phenomenal.. there are thousand n one statistics i can quote over here to prove my point…. but not one of them can beat this promise that We have given up 5-6 years of our youth working to improve the economy of Pakistan with Musharraf sahaab… n we will not give up!! not on Musharraf sahab… not on Pakistan!!
n this i can say for Karachi…Karachi owes its development (the only in 25 yrs) to Musharraf sahab… n yeh! prejudiced ppl like Salman Ahmed wld have their ideas abt this as well… the fool had the gutts to criticize MQM too.. kher chadoo.. sadda kee tey sannu kee
Long Live President Musharraf!!! Long Live Pakistan!!!
hayat
I sometimes wonder that MUSH BASTARD reads the newspaper and whatever is written against him or like Ayub khan,a special newspaper is published solely for his breakfast table?
I agree that no son is accountable for his fathers deeds however it was Bilal who became a party when he floated the letter on the internet, “Why My father Did What He Did’ or something like that…
When he becomes party to his fathers action on public forums, people have the right to give him a rejoinder.
…. and like someone on this blog said that it is shame enough to be a son of a dictator, I can understand bilal’s pain and misery. However shameless as he seems (inherited his fathers character), it is difficult to “shame a shameless”!
WELL DONE SALMAN!
Musharraf is nothing but an extention of Muhajir Quami Movement in the cover of a General’s uniform and I say this why?
Murder and killing of 60 people by Altaf on Musharraf’s orders to stop CJ’s rally on may 12th in karachi. Msharraf stated that no inquiry was required and gave a blow to sind high Court for ordering one.
Can you imagine if 60 MQM workers had been killed in Larkana or Lahore. Would that have been Musharraf’s stance?? Infact Musharraf’s is so ethnic that he has beaten Altaf Hussain way behind. He hates all communities of Pakistan EXCEPT followers of MQM and that is also what this party feels. They feel that 6% minority is enough for them to rule Pakistan.
Question any MQM follower and you will find nothing but hate for everyone. Ask them who they love, Sindhi? Punjabi? Pathan? Baluch? I guarantee you they hate them all and feel that Pakistan was made for their ethnicity who migrated and have maybe 6% representation.
Mush is a mass murderer and is working on the exact starategy of Altaf Hussain. The idea was to provide enough opportunity to MQM to be able to penetrate Punjab, Sind and Kashmir, which failed after May 12th and exposed the true face of this General not only in Punjab but became a topic of open discussions in the officer ranks of Pak army.
Time might be with Musharraf at the moment but there is no way that he will escape the gallows for the acts committed.
So, if Salman wrote against MQM, so what? The entire country is against this party run by a hateful character.
the person above me has proved my point… which i didnt want to raise…
just because Musharraf is an urduspeaking… he gets to be attributed to MQM…, n gets criticized…
well Mr. NJ ur problem wld persist no matter wat… the so to say usurpers of ur son of the soil rights rule the biggest most important city of the country… n u cant help it…
i salute the Pak Army for supportin their leader thru thick n thin… my friend above wld prefer to involve the Pak Army into this great big mohajir conspiracy.. hark!
shame on ur Pakistaniyat!
hayat
Here’s a great cast for a Bollywood comedy about a bunch of looneys. Let me sum up:
1) Mother an award-winning dancer.
2) Father suspended by Bhutto on corruption charges. Finds solace in dancing and singing looney tunes.
3) Son a thumb-sucking brat bent on bashing anyone who criticizes his father.
5) Brother-in law a rectologist/colonist who shoved a broomstick up Musharraf’s a$$ all the way to his brain. No wonder Mushman has deformed into a complete imbecile.
6) Sehba an obsessive who runs to NY every time Musharraf winks at Sumaira Malik.
Urdu speaking people are amongst the most patriotic Pakistanis. They’ve given Pakistan her best sons like Hakim Saeed, Justice Wajihuddin, and Justice Fakhruddin.
It’s just the shady characters like Musharraf and Altaf Hussain who have brought a bad name upon the urdu speaking people.
Why do u people stoop so low that even devil will shy away.
If you have a mother you wouldt not use such filthy language.
Get your minds out of the gutter
Mush himself called is mother an award winning dancer.
Talking about devil, Mush is devil personified.
By irfan on Dec 5, 2007 | Reply
views of salman ahmed donot reflect views of majority of pakistani in pakistan and abroad.
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Well Mr.Irfan, please open your eyes and look beyond your “Muhajir” cult mentality.
The man (Mush) has “ZERO” support in the country which includes all FOUR PROVINCES; The list below shows the cities of Pakistan. Please find me ONE CITY where Musharraf has support today, LEAVING KARACHI and we all know why karachi/MQM supports him;
You people are out of your minds. Please live in reality and stop using lies and deceptions. One Altaf Hussain is enough to do that.
P.S.
…and to sum it up, please do not say that this man (Mush or as he is better known today “Our Son-Of-A-Bitch) has popularity in the villages of Pakistan. If you ask any villager in Sind, Punjab, Baluchistan or Frontier, the answer might be like;
“KERA GAND.. MUSHARRAF”, we all know what that means. Trust me, it’s only one man support “Look alike of Indian Water Buffalo” Altaf Hussain and his followers!
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By Babar Farooq on Dec 7, 2007 | Reply
Urdu speaking people are amongst the most patriotic Pakistanis. Theyve given Pakistan her best sons like Hakim Saeed, Justice Wajihuddin, and Justice Fakhruddin.
Its just the shady characters like Musharraf and Altaf Hussain who have brought a bad name upon the urdu speaking people
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Babar, I totally agree with you. Urdu speaking people were among the best of the best Pakistan could ever have. They gave so much to this country and the names you mentioned should be written in golden ink in our country’s history.
Unfortunately, these wonderful people from this community are fast being wiped out by the murderer Altaf Hussain. We all know who killed hakim Saeed and it worries me every day what fate might lie ahead for Justice Wajiuddin. These are brave men!
Unfortunately, Altaf has poisoned the minds of even the saner elements of this community. Unfortunately the community does not realize that they only have 6 to 7% representation in Pakistan and the wrath of the majority will come because Altaf has exposed itself too much now.
Musharraf is a mortal and like all mortals will be gone one day. In an way, I feel sorry for the Muhajir community because seriously there are millions of really good people this community represents.
Rajesh Kumar Sandhu
Uppsala
Sweden
rajesh.kumar.sandhu@gmail.com
Nicely written. It’s no wonder India is one of the largest democracy in the world. It is the only because of the thought process of people like you that makes India a great democratic country.
It is a shame that Musharraf sitting right next door cannot see the difference and feels no shame.
We have had other military dictators in the past but seriously this one is heading to become another Yahya Khan of Pakistan. Same mentality between the two; while citizens die, he sits drunk and boozed every night, mujra’s is his passion and this he calls being “Enlightened”!!! That was exactly what the letcher late Yahya Khan was….the only thing missing is a “Rani” and who knows there’s one in this man’s (Mush) life too….
u ppl talk abt Karachi as if u have lived here for ages!!! I can talk shit abt Lahore or Isloo… but i dunno their dynamics…
so let us analyse y Karachi is the cause for concern for everyone… its not the urduspeakin community which exists in karachi anymore… we have the biggest number of pushto speakers outside nwfp residin in karachi… n they call it home! we have the biggest number of sindhis in karachi n obviously its their home! cuz its mandatory on every sindh born to study sindhi (so, even urduspeakers r proud to speak n learn sindhi) we have the biggest balochi population outside balochistan… punjabis ummm…yes they r in huge numbers as well…
wat we have as a result of all this? a mini Pakistan… n most ppl like my friends above dun like dat… u come down here n talk to all my pushto speakin, balochi n sindhi friends… the problem with this country is not a small community (6-7% as u mentioned) not bein able to find a credible or largely acceptable leadership for themselves… they’d rather point the finger towards the bigger province…PUNJAB n its evident overtures at usurping power from the small provinces.
the only threat punjab feels from this country is Karachi… cuz Karachi has the strength of the entire Pakistan… I havent had the opportunity to meet any pathan brother in Lahore, or any balochi in pindi or any sindhi in faisalabad… why??? its left for us all to ponder… n still ppl find the audacity to term entire communities as murderers!!! it was the bigger province which sidelined the bengalis… which usurped their rights!! not some altaf or musharraf in the south! not some Khan of peshawar… nor some wadera of interior sind… Bhutto just became the scapegoat for this entire pre-planned shit!!
another sane question… if a sane person wld like to answer dat.. Was the Pak Army n its punjabi generals (other nations hardly make it there… i wonder y) were sooo stoopid to just sit around n let a ‘mohajir’ do as he pleased dat too for 10 straight years!!!! or y dun they do anythin now?!?!? y wasnt musharraf kicked out as soon as he took off his uniform?!?!?
I salute the punjabi generals of Pak Army again… they r the more honorable punjabis I have come to respect n admire… Allah ka shukar… the army doesnt think n act like us!
Long live Pakistan
hayat
no one needs to worry about the urduspeaking community… they have turned the fate of entire cities around with their hardwork n dedication… Karachi is one case in point… its one of the fastest growin cities of the world… (however not only the urduspeakers but pushto,sindhi, balochi n punjabi speakers have played their role in its development)
the urduspeakin community is the most educated, most enlightened community in the country… n virtually singlehandedly controlls the entire financial profile of the country… karachi still helps to generate 60% of the GDP of the country… the community still controls a large share of the local enterprises, n the progressive middleclass of Karachi is the biggest in the country…majorly represented by this community..
no one else needs to worry abt this community cuz since inception of pakistan, the community has virtually cared for itself!
its just a shame my friends have so much hatred for this community n its representatives… but the community gives shit to ur hatred…
hayat
Omar Hayat,
I am myself a Karachiite and can speak better for Karachi than an Altaf maniac. I am proud of my urdu speaking community because we have produced people like Haakim Saeed and Justice Wajeehuddin. Who else can dare to stand up to Altaf Hussain and Musharraf than these people. No Punjabi or a Pathan has the guts to stand up to these scoundrels.
Altaf Hussain is a Bihari terrorist holding the entire urdu speaking public hostage at gunpoint. The sooner we ditch this guy the better for our country. Karchi should’ve been above Dubai today had it not been for the MQM. While you may relish the the MQM ways I don’t. If anything, MQM has held Karachi back from progress.
My name is also bilal musharraf, But I am not son of Great General, I am a son of Middle class journalist who fought for truth all his life. Dear Sir, Your father is now a dictator, He tookover power in 1999 just to protect himself, he took U turn on 9/11 just to protect himself, He sacked judges and imposed emergency just to protect himself, Tell me sir, Are all Pakistanis fool? and your father is only patriot remain in country? Hummayun Akhter who is main culprit in Sugar crisis, was minister in your father’s party. MQM is supporter of your father, who has terrorised whole karachi..I am karachiite and I have witnessed Bhatta(imposed pvt tax). I have witnessed people dying by the hands of MQM shooters, I have seen Hakim Sahab martyred by just one call of Altaf. I have seen Army guys beating police officer, just because he dared to stop them from speeding. Please enough is enough, or else your father’s fate will not be different from Shah of Iran
I like to add one thing whatever our President Pervez Muharaf did was to save his own skin, from the time he took over as chief executive till the imposition of emergency these all steps reflect his selfishness to save his own skin…
MUSHARAF BASTARD is killer of hundreds of children and innocent people and he also killed many of our security forces persons He should not send to Mental Hospital but his true destination is jail for life
WELL DONE SALMAN
Every dictactor is his last days is concerned about Media and he feels that it is Media who is creating neusence. Ayub Khan brought press publication Ordinance. Self declared Mard-e-Momin Ziaul Haq brought Press regulation act and Mr. Mush has brough Pimra and puppets in the form of Q-League etc.
BUT civil society, Students, Lawyers and importantly people of Pakistan are much more civilized now.
Mush Banned GEO, ARY etc because they were condemning his illegal acts and said they were irresponsible…Wow..He himself breaks the constitution twice which was never an irresponsible move. He sold the national interest for his own sake and it was “a highly responsible” move.
Mush ousted the honorable judges because his presidential post was at stake- Judges who gave us hope for justice and said they were supporting terrorismWow..He himself surrendered against militants and that was “a highly brave” move.
Salman’s voice is the voice of Pakistani civil society…Salman…Keep up the good work.
Who has given Mr. Mush the right to remove judges? Bilal – Please Please stop him destroying the institutions in Pakistan. A society can not survive without justice. Please ask him to give us our judicial system and Media back. We don’t need puppet judges…
Your father thinks that we are lesser humans. He should not try to run the country as a force. Mr. Mush can oblidge Pakistanis by exiting from the power. But in either case, he should be punished by the courts for breaking the law, constition. He should be given Punishment in future by Pak Judiciary so that nobody does it again.
Is it true that Musharraf asked Abdullah Gul to give him a house on a nude beach in Istanbul. Can Bilal confirm this?
Altaf Hussain want to join Musharraf too if that is true.
Thanks,
Aamir Altaf
Jeevay jeevay Altaf jeevay
Geo Musharraf Geo
Altaf Hussain on a nude beach….!! I just cannot stop laughing at the thought of an “Black Indian Water Bufflo” lying naked on beach in Istanbul or for that matter any beach……Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Altaf Bhai, you are funny…
Looks like Altaf and Musharraf have already landed on a beach:
http://www.mainetoday.com/pets/dogslife/ch%20and%20f%20run%20pine.jpg
Geo Altaf, Geo Mush
Bilal (MC) Musharraf,
I dedicate this piece to your illustrious father and your grand-parents, enjoy:
Ek randi da puttar Pervez Musharraf
Ek kutti da puttar Pervez Musharraf
Ek kanjri da puttar Pervez Musharraf
Ek dallay da puttar Pervez Musharraf
Ek soor da puttar Pervez Musharraf
Haram da Pervez Musharraf
I am not sure about others, but kanjri da puttar can’t be doubted, as Musharraf admits in his own autobiography.
Asalamo Alikum to all Brothers and sisters,
“United in Hajj, divided by the Rulers”
As Muslim it is indeed a beautiful sight to behold, as every year millions travel to the Sacred City with the same pure intention.
“And proclaim to humankind the Hajj. They will come to you on foot and every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj)” (TMQ 22:27)
When this verse was revealed Muslims numbered a few and were confined to the Arabian Peninsula. Yet even at that time Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) revealed that the Muslims would be spread out through this vast creation, as is so evident today, when one considers that Muslims are found throughout the world. So today it can be seen that camels really would become lean from the journey. The spirit of the Hajj is really conjured up in this thought; millions of people using all means of transport to pursue a quest, and journey in the true sense of the word, all in the direction of the Sacred House. This same direction that every individual faces at least five time a day in submission to the Creator, Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala). The magnetism of Allah’s house attracts Muslims in prayer, in thoughts and emotions, and the greatest journey that any Muslim will make.
Muslims in the past would spend months travelling for Hajj by foot, by camel, and by boat. Today evidence of this is found throughout Islamic Lands. For example, there are many small communities between what is now Sudan and Nigeria where Xhossa (the language of Northern Nigeria) is spoken. The Xhossa speaking Muslim made a string of communities on the Hajj trail. The potent atmosphere of an old West African village, when it was announced that a family has to set out on the Hajj trial, can only be imagined today. The immensity and importance of Hajj would be put into all of the members of the village. Hajj was always a central part of the communal life of Muslims.
There was a time when a Muslim could get on a donkey in Timbuktu and end up in Makkah some months later, with no obstacles but Allah’s created elements and the harshness of the journey. This was at a time when the affairs of Muslims were governed by an authority which drew its guidance from the same source as that of Hajj, the Islamic ‘Aqeedah. Hence there was a harmony between the State and the duty of Hajj.
However, since the Khilafah was destroyed in 1924, till today, the rulers in Islamic Lands seek guidance from other than Islam. They turn to man-made law such as democracy, monarchy or dictatorship. Such a harmony as was experienced by previous generations cannot exist in such a situation. The unity of Hajj is destroyed by the present rulers’ division of Islamic Lands. So Muslims are forced to contend with border checks, quotas for numbers of Hajjis based on nationality, customs and the polite and pleasant officers at Saudi passport control. Centuries of expert schools have discussed in depth the requirement and prerequisites for Hajj. Books of fiqh elaborate who is obliged to perform Hajj, what can and can’t be done in ihram, where to put on ihram, the question of ‘umrah before or after Hajj etc. But nowhere in these books of Islamic law is there mention of visas obtained from the Saudi Embassy or the requirement to travel only on certain national airlines. Nor is there mention of the need to carry an EC passport at all times to avoid being arrested or the electronic fingerprint or eyeball records now being taken of Hajjis. Indeed, nowhere within the Book of Allah or the authentic books of hadith will such things be mentioned.
The Islamic Lands today are governed by non-Islam, which has complicated the lives of Muslims in too many aspects. Hajj is one of those. It is so apparent that the present governments act as an obstacle to the worship of Allah. However, Makkah is still the direction of the Muslims in Prayer. On this Muslims are still unified. Makkah is still the destination for one of the main events of the lives of all Muslims. On this Muslims are still unified. Muslims standing at different points of longitude and latitude, are all unified praying in one direction. It is as if Muslims are praying in one massive Jama’ah. The pull of the Sacred City gives this Ummah invigoration at the time of Hajj. Muslims must try to harness this vigour and direct it towards the obstacles that lay in front of them as an Ummah.
May Allah accept the efforts of all of the Hajjis this year, and bring the true meaning of Hajj into all hearts. May Allah give dignity and strength to this Ummah through those things that it remains unified upon. May Allah help the Ummah to destroy the barriers that remain between Muslims: physically, politically and spiritually.
Asalamo Alikum to all Brothers and sisters,
“United in Hajj, divided by the Rulers”
As Muslim it is indeed a beautiful sight to behold, as every year millions travel to the Sacred City with the same pure intention.
“And proclaim to humankind the Hajj. They will come to you on foot and every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj)” (TMQ 22:27)
When this verse was revealed Muslims numbered a few and were confined to the Arabian Peninsula. Yet even at that time Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) revealed that the Muslims would be spread out through this vast creation, as is so evident today, when one considers that Muslims are found throughout the world. So today it can be seen that camels really would become lean from the journey. The spirit of the Hajj is really conjured up in this thought; millions of people using all means of transport to pursue a quest, and journey in the true sense of the word, all in the direction of the Sacred House. This same direction that every individual faces at least five time a day in submission to the Creator, Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala). The magnetism of Allah’s house attracts Muslims in prayer, in thoughts and emotions, and the greatest journey that any Muslim will make.
Muslims in the past would spend months travelling for Hajj by foot, by camel, and by boat. Today evidence of this is found throughout Islamic Lands. For example, there are many small communities between what is now Sudan and Nigeria where Xhossa (the language of Northern Nigeria) is spoken. The Xhossa speaking Muslim made a string of communities on the Hajj trail. The potent atmosphere of an old West African village, when it was announced that a family has to set out on the Hajj trial, can only be imagined today. The immensity and importance of Hajj would be put into all of the members of the village. Hajj was always a central part of the communal life of Muslims.
There was a time when a Muslim could get on a donkey in Timbuktu and end up in Makkah some months later, with no obstacles but Allah’s created elements and the harshness of the journey. This was at a time when the affairs of Muslims were governed by an authority which drew its guidance from the same source as that of Hajj, the Islamic ‘Aqeedah. Hence there was a harmony between the State and the duty of Hajj.
However, since the Khilafah was destroyed in 1924, till today, the rulers in Islamic Lands seek guidance from other than Islam. They turn to man-made law such as democracy, monarchy or dictatorship. Such a harmony as was experienced by previous generations cannot exist in such a situation. The unity of Hajj is destroyed by the present rulers’ division of Islamic Lands. So Muslims are forced to contend with border checks, quotas for numbers of Hajjis based on nationality, customs and the polite and pleasant officers at Saudi passport control. Centuries of expert schools have discussed in depth the requirement and prerequisites for Hajj. Books of fiqh elaborate who is obliged to perform Hajj, what can and can’t be done in ihram, where to put on ihram, the question of ‘umrah before or after Hajj etc. But nowhere in these books of Islamic law is there mention of visas obtained from the Saudi Embassy or the requirement to travel only on certain national airlines. Nor is there mention of the need to carry an EC passport at all times to avoid being arrested or the electronic fingerprint or eyeball records now being taken of Hajjis. Indeed, nowhere within the Book of Allah or the authentic books of hadith will such things be mentioned.
The Islamic Lands today are governed by non-Islam, which has complicated the lives of Muslims in too many aspects. Hajj is one of those. It is so apparent that the present governments act as an obstacle to the worship of Allah. However, Makkah is still the direction of the Muslims in Prayer. On this Muslims are still unified. Makkah is still the destination for one of the main events of the lives of all Muslims. On this Muslims are still unified. Muslims standing at different points of longitude and latitude, are all unified praying in one direction. It is as if Muslims are praying in one massive Jama’ah. The pull of the Sacred City gives this Ummah invigoration at the time of Hajj. Muslims must try to harness this vigour and direct it towards the obstacles that lay in front of them as an Ummah.
May Allah accept the efforts of all of the Hajjis this year, and bring the true meaning of Hajj into all hearts. May Allah give dignity and strength to this Ummah through those things that it remains unified upon. May Allah help the Ummah to destroy the barriers that remain between Muslims: physically, politically and spiritually.
Thanks and Jazakallah khair.
i cannot believe that a well read person like bilal musharraf could really “believe” that his father is the last word in wisdom and integrity. now he must be kidding himself – !
This blog tells you how much this bastard is loved in Pakistan.
The idiot thinks that because the Chaudry’s managed to arrnge a Jalsa for him in Islamabad on May 12th (The day when Karachi was the killing field of innocent people by MQM) that the crowd actually came to see and her him out???
You moran, Chaudry’s made a fool of you. A Deputy Commissioner sitting in USA can call his Patwari’s and Tappadars and generate a crowd of 50,000 people.
Now Chaundry’s are out of power and are scared to even hold a “jalsa” on their own less they get rediculed in front of the crowd that Shareef’s are pulling…
BILAL, WAKE-UP, THE ONLY SUPPORT YOUR UGLY DAD HAS IS IN KARACHI AND THAT TOO FROM MUHAJIR QUAMI MOVEMENT SUPPORTERS AND THE ETHNIC BASED CLASS OF URDU SPEAKING PEOPLE THRE. 93% OF PAKISTAN WILL LYNCH YOUR DAD IF THEY EVER GET THEIR HANDS ON HIM. HE WILL EVEN LOOSE HIS REAL SKIN….
This blog tells you how much this bastard is loved in Pakistan.
The idiot thinks that because the Chaudry’s managed to arrnge a Jalsa for him in Islamabad on May 12th (The day when Karachi was the killing field of innocent people by MQM) that the crowd actually came to see and her him out???
You moran, Chaudry’s made a fool of you. A Deputy Commissioner sitting in USA can call his Patwari’s and Tappadars and generate a crowd of 50,000 people.
Now Chaundry’s are out of power and are scared to even hold a “jalsa” on their own less they get rediculed in front of the crowd that Shareef’s are pulling…
BILAL, WAKE-UP, THE ONLY SUPPORT YOUR UGLY DAD HAS IS IN KARACHI AND THAT TOO FROM MUHAJIR QUAMI MOVEMENT SUPPORTERS AND THE ETHNIC BASED CLASS OF URDU SPEAKING PEOPLE THRE. 93% OF PAKISTAN WOULD SKIN YOUR DAD ALIVE IF THEY EVER GET THEIR HANDS ON HIM. HE WILL EVEN LOOSE HIS REAL SKIN….
Adil,
Well read does not account for much if there is darkness in the heart. Perhap Bilal (MC) Musharraf quoted Baba Bulleh Shah for himself:
You read heaps and write heaps
And bury your head in books
Light is everywhere but where you are
And you havent a clue how to reach it
Marking time in extra prayers
Climbing a minaret and screeching
Mounting a pulpit and preaching – -
All this has nothing to do with knowledge
Pakistanis are their biggest and worst enemies themselves..the outsiders only take advantage of the situation and exploit us.
Have you ever seen any Indian protesting in any other country against their governments??any other nationality protesting outside their home country against their governments?.. No..its the quality of Pakistanis only to criticize Pakistan outside Pakistan and invite others to do the same. . ..
WHY Salman never protested against Indian human rights violation in Kashmir.why he never organized any protest in America against U.S.A policies about Iraq and Afgfhanistan.?? Salman Ahmed talks about peace peace peace with India., human rightsthe same India is organizing and funding the militants in Balouchistan ( enough proves are there ) and also Swat valley to take revenge and create the same atmosphere as in Kashmir ( As to what India calls Pakistani Militants in Indian Occupied Kashmir ).and Salman Ahmed doesnt get tired of talking peace with India.
And that is what the Pakistani media was doing, presenting only negative image about Pakistan by making these so called suicide bombers the hero of the nation and criticizing every move made by government.Leaving all the progress the country has made during Musharraf tenure, they are just concentrating on the mistakes
Pakistan has very clearly progressed in Musharrafs term on every front!..and all the reports of World Banks, Pakistan credit ratings, stock exchanges and Foreign exchange reserves are clearly indicating this.
What wrong was Musharraf doing if he did an operation in Lal Masjid, what wrong did he do if he carried out an operation in Swat valley against millitants or in Balouchistan.
Do u want Pakistan to b ruled by extremist with machine guns in their hands ??
Isnt Benazir the one who made these Talibans?…She would have done the same thing today what Musharraf is doing the woman who is coming with the support of USA to Pakistan what can u expect from her,isnt she the one who said that she will allow U.S investigators to Dr Qadir?
People like Salman Ahmed tarnished Pakistans image for their personal publicity gains , there are lots of people doing that outside Pakistan
You criticize Musharraf for making a deal with Benazir?? This is a well debated fact and news that who pressurized Musharraf to make a deal and let her return to Pakistan, The Americans did, bcoz they thought that this will help in war against terror and extremist,
Salman do u have the guts to to arrange a protest in Washington against the American Government for doing so??No u dont bcoz America is your home country now and criticizing America will jeopardize your career in America and put u in trouble!
Does Musharraf has a choice in terms of Leaderships in Pakistan to work with??
You talk about Imran Khanon one hand he is supporting religious parties Mullahs Qazi Hussain on the other hand he is conducting fashion shows in dubai and collecting funds for his hospital where the models are showing their cleavages and bare backs!!
Isnt he a hypocrite!……And the very same religious party Jamaat Student wing held him captive and handed him over to PoliceYet he didnt learn anything!!These opposition parties are making alliances with each other on what agenda just to remove Musharrafwhat other solutions do they have for Pakistans problems.. and now u see the fate of these alliances ..shattering into pieces ..
can they do better than Musharraf in tackling extremism, dealing with America and India, Israel.Musharraf is the only man standing in between America, Israel and Indias invasion on Pakistan.
Ask these opposition leaders what will be their policies on Pakistan’s problems
mentioning all the problems one by one starting with : waziristan, taliban, policies with afghan govt, allegation of afghan govt on pakistan, balouchistan, indian interference in balochistan, terrorism, suicide bombings, how will they curb extremism in Pakistan.?what will they do to improve pakistans distorted image as an extremist nation??what will be the Kashmir policy,? will they show more leniency towards India on Kashmir than what musharraf has already shown in confidence building measures??? issue of dr qadir khan??how will they deal with the american pressure in fighting against terror., do they have the guts to say no to america?everyone knows that whoever will be in the govt in pakistan has to do according to the Usa demands… so how r they going to be different than Musharraf??
What will be their economic policy for Pakistans progress?, if they think that economy has not improved in musharrafs tenure, ..which clearly has improved.
why the media and press were not so independent in benazir and nawaz govt??why didnt they allow??
India has taken advantage of Pakistans internel situation and has opened Siachen for tourists?? Although its a disputed territory ?? what r they going to do about it ??
If these opposition parties are not going to be different than musharraf in solving the problems of Pakistan then why not Musharraf.. Musharraf has done a better job on every front than all the previous governments
What kind of Pakistan would u like to see ? where everyday there are protest, agitation, political anarchy, chaos America is not interested in Pakistans democracy or civil rights in Pakistanhe is only concern about the war on terror.that bcoz the disturbance in Pakistan will effect so called war on terror .
This Iftikhar Choudhry took oath under PCO when first time Musharraf took charge of government over throwing Nawaz Sharif..That time also there was emergency and PCO..why he took oath then??
To Nighat: how many more years u want to give this nation to learn to walk ?? 52 years arnt enough? Twice Benazir, twice Nawaaz , what have we got??
If u r not in Pakistan , then just go and see what progress Pakistan has made in terms of infrastructures, roads, malls, dams etc and what projects are in line announced by Musharraf govt and u will know the difference.
Child of Lesser God..no we are not the children of lesser Godbut the only God.
But unfortunately we have not been able to prove that in 52 years..whereas the democracy in the west have flourished bcoz of the literate and tolerant leadership
Who never protested about the policies of their government outside their countries
who accepts defeat as defeat unlike Pakistan where the looser never agrees and start politics of confrontation, agitation, on roads, strikes, disturbing the economics, thus jamming and paralyzing the whole countrys growth and the ones who came into powers were putting all their energies and sources in trying to make cases against their opponents and stopping the projects started by the previous government, further taking Pakistan backwards instead of forward.,, All the cases against Benazir at present in the courts were filed by Nawaz Sharifs governmentnot Musharraf….
Pakistan has no time to experiment again taking Nawaz and Benazir, WE cant afford to become bank defaulters and declared a failed state again ? CAN WE??
If Pakistan does not do the operations in Swat and Waziristan, and Balouchistan, the American alliance will do it in the name of war on terrorand India is creating the atmosphere in Pakistan by supporting BLA .and America does not need your permission for attacking Pakistan.and India and Israel are waiting for that day!!do u want Pakistan to become Iraq..and we are just fighting internally, stuck in Vardi and jamhooriat and bullshits.
We need a politically stable, united and economically progressing Pakistan.
Just recently In Bangladesh also army chief declared emergency and took over! Why there is no fuss about that in the world?? Why we have not seen any protest by any Bengladeshi outside Bengladesh?? Why the world is not concern..
Why all the hell is breaking loose in and on Pakistan??
We Pakistanis are our biggest enemiesand no one else …outsiders only take advantage of it.,
Musharraf is the only man standing in between Indias, Israel and Americas invasion on Pakistanthey all are looking for an opportunity to come and we the Pakistanis are very much helping them by creating more disturbance and unstability, politics of street protest in Pakistan.
Justdoit, if you had conviction in your beliefs you wouldn’t hide your name. Why are you so ashamed of your beliefs that you can’t even reveal your identity.
Anyways it does not take rocket-science to figure out that the braindead Mr JUSTDOIT is one of the following.
1) Bilal Musharraf
2) A bastard brother of Bilal Musharraf
3) A lobotomized MQM worker
It seems ‘justdoit’ want to say thet all protesters are goofs and enemies of Pakistan and his highness musharraf is the only indispensible leader.
Why is it so easy for Pro-Musharraf-folk to label His opponents as enemies of Pakistan. ?
Believe it or not Mr. justdoit, this is very last resort of insecurity and stubborness.
To justdoit,
I am glad you chose 16th December to comment on my letter. Today when my heart is bleeding trying to remember what happened to this country in 1971,when Army was ruling this nation and ruling so heavily that it forgot to carry out the constitutional duties it had sworn to undertake i.e. defend her borders. The high command so busy trying to crush the democratic forces in connivance with yet another Bhutto that it forgot it was killing its own people the Bengalis. They were too busy merrymaking to realize that real strength comes from the ordinary mortals and urchins, not guns. As a daughter of an ex army man, my head still hangs in shame when I saw my uncles, cousins taken as a POWs without putting a fight.
You see sir; there are two ways of doing things. Right way and the wrong way. There is no middle way. Mr. Musharraf has chosen the wrong way (according to his own admittance)
My questions should have been answered as I raised them
Sweeping statements have led us the state where we are.
Yes I still want my right to choose. I absolutely agree with your assessment of politicians and my letter says that, but Sir is Army rule of 8 years the answer? Please forgive me for demanding my basic right to choose and I will die making this demands.
Sir I am just an ordinary person and watching these events with distress. In which country do you see a grade 22 officer making constitution amendments with the help of one of the most discredited person in legal fraternity Qayyum Malik. Pakistan will remember Mr. Mush and his legal team in one of its darkest chapters.
I am a moderate, educated middle class citizen. Historically, religious and fundamentalist parties were rejected by me and millions like me in this country for decades. Those of us who are students of current affairs, know jolly well that IJI (Islamic Jamhoori Itihad) was formed by ISI (check with Hamid Gul). Zia Ul Haq was the patron in chief of religious parties. Mr. Musharraf had let MMA form the government in NWFP and Balochistan. In short, elements in Pakistan army alone are the patrons in chief of religious extremists, not the average Pakistani. I am not by any means against brave men and women of Pakistan army. I am a granddaughter, daughter, sister of army men and a proud one. Musharraf single handedly has discredited our fine professional men
I have chosen to live and work in this country (I had many choices to live in greener pastures too). The progress you are talking about is challenged by many economists, (independent ones). Have some objectivity sir. Has this progress been confined to DHAs, housing societies and construction boom? it has not affected the common man. Please check the market rates of Flour, vegetables, dals (basic eatery of masses), house rents, bus fares to go to work, and then make me a budget with a salary of 6000 Rs per month. You call shopping malls sign of progress!!!
Please also check the loans written off by banks of defaulters and cronies of Mush. Benazir is corrupt so are Sharifs, but Musharraf is ready to work with the. Wonder why? And has been working with Chaudries, Sherpao, Saleh hayat. So you argument about keeping corrupt politicians out of power has no merit. Please also check the richest Pakistanis in Washington list, you might find ex armed forces men in it.
I was in Pakistan on 12th May .What happened in Karachi should put all educated Pakistanis to shame and remorse. What did Mr. Mush decide to do? He was chest thumping like a Gorilla over power of his people.
Your strategy is no different from Bush and Neocons, keep the terror alert elevated
Regards
Nighat
By justdoit on Dec 15, 2007 | Reply
Before you wrote the below piece, let me ask you if you heard “The Don Of London” speech he gave in India against Pakistan. I think it was aired in Hamid Mir’s program. Your long sermon makes no mention of the water buffalo sitting in London?
I quote your statement below;
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I think Aamir Altaf has read you the best. You are exactly what Aamir stated; You are either a bastard brother of Bilal Musharraf, if not himself or a lobotomized MQM worker..
Ms Nighat,
While I agree with you, I don’t think you were fair to Bush.
Bush is a far better person than Musharraf for the following reasons:
1) He is (in his dimunitive mind) sincere to his nation
2) He is sincere to his faith, a church-going, bible-reading man.
Mush, on the other hand, is a traitor to his nation as Iqbal said:
“Nang-e deen, nang-e millat, nang-e watan”
I am not a Bush fan, but Bush is at least sincere to his people and to his christian faith.
All of us are equally concerned about the constitutional ammendement Mr. Mush is making However there is a blessing in disguise.
According to me, the best part of today’s Pakistan is that the literate class of Pakistan (whether they are in Pak or or abroad) have outrightly rejected, Mr.Mush’s extra-constitutional steps in thelast 9 months.
The entire civil society, students, lawyers, youth, intellectuals, writers everybody is condeming his acts.
In my view, its a positive thing that we are mature enough to understand and respect ourselves. We want rule of law back and there is no disagreement on it.
There are a few who are avoiding the common demands but they are exposed well in our eyes such as Ms Bhutto, Maulana Fazlur Rehman..
Let me highlight another fact. I was born in Karachi and stayed there for first 22 years of my life. People of Karachi do not like Altaf Hussain and trust me if there are fair elections in Karachi, MQM will not be able to win more than 2,3 seats. Most of the Urdu speaking community does not like MQM anymore.
Gone are the days when urdu speaking community used to give MQM the heavy mandate. This was there upto 1990 and it is no more true. Our dictator Mr. Mush has joined hands with MQM due to his own political intrest which is giving MQM a new political life. Today, if Mr. Mush does not remain in power, there happens a free and fair election in Pak, results from Karachi would automatically reveal the truth.
Many Thanks,
Kashif
The people calling abuses to Bilal and President Musharraf are not even worth of calling human being because of their mental sickness.It is the freedom of Press and civil liberties that these mentally distorted persons are utteringabuses and nonsences.I ask all these people about the action taken by Musharraf of supporting America after 9/11 when threatened to attack Pakistan if not supportted Americans on Afghanistan issue.Was there any other option?What these Brave self made idiots who believe abusing Head Of State and his family, could do at that time.Pakistan would have been another Afghanistan and Iraq.President Musharraf saved Pakistan and our people from all humiliation and destruction.But we forget all good deeds and only look for our personal benefits.In our Society,the worst exploiters and black mailers belong to three groups:1)Journalists who get little money from Newspapers and media but earn from exploiting and black mailing 2)Judges and judicial system and lawyers.The people in pakistan pray that none should have to go to courts because of injustice and corrution rampant in courts.The majority of Judges right from lower courts to SC are corrupt and have no moral values.Simlarly majority of lawyers are Touts of Judges.Justice is for sale in Pakistan. 3)Civil Buerocracy who have looted Pakistan since its existence.
All above factions of society are opposing President Musharraf otherwise there is absolutely no agitation or protests against Musharraf in whole country.Pakistanis are happy with the development done during Musharraf tenure where per capita income has more than doubled during his time.
There are only few thousand arrogant,corrupt and black mailers who are againt Musharraf who have been bribed by Nawaz Sharif,the worst plunderer of Pakistan’s wealth during his rule.These people are showing storm in cup due to vested intersts.These media people are the biggest black mailers in Pakistan and every Pakistani know this fact.They even openly black mail Police which is extremely corrupt as well.
Sheikhu,
You are so full of sh!t that your note does not even merit a reply.
Ignorance is bliss! Keep typing these idiotic messages without acknowledging that Musharraf subverted the consititution only to prolong his rule. Only Altaf and lobotomized MQM workers will support Musharraf.
• 9 world class Engineering universities being developed and 18 Public universities already developed.
• Private sector institutions have increased from 36,096 (in 1999) to become 81,103 (in 2006).
• PAK is 3rd best in world Banking profitability.
• PAK IT industry now values around $2 billion, including $1 billion exports and employs around 90,000 professionals.
• About 80,000 direct & 500,000 indirect jobs have been created only by the Telecom sector.
• Industrial Parks are being setup throughout the country for the first time! M3 estate, Sundar industrial estate, Chakri, etc.
• Major Mega projects like the Saindak, Rekodiq, Marble production, Coal production and Mining & Quarrying are being pursued.
• In 2006, GDP growth is 6%. Earlier in 1999 was 3.5%.
• Foreign Reserves from $1 bn to $17 bn.
• KHI stock market: from 700 points to 13,000 points.
• Literacy rate improved by 11%.
• Poverty decreased by 10%.
• He made 4 dams: Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram Tangi dams.
• 6 Motorways completed or under construction: M1, M3, M8, M9, M10, M11.
• Six major highways under construction.
• GWADAR advance mega Sea port developed under his vision!
• Historic 100% increase in Tax collection of $11 billion.
• Large scale manufacturing is 30 year high, and Construction activity is 17 year high.
• Newly found World class copper- gold deposits in Chagai will fetch $600 million per year.
• A new Oil refinery with UAE will fetch $5 billion & will process 300,000 oil barrels a day.
• CNG sector has attracted over $70 billion investment in last 5 years; and created 30,000 jobs.
• Industrial sector registered 26% growth.
• PAK in 1999 was a $75 billion economy; and now 2006 it’s $160 billion economy!
• PAK economy is now the 3rd fastest growing economy after China & India.
Following are a few facts to see the other side of teh coin:
Judiciary System collapsed in Pak in 2007 to prolong Mush’s Rule.
Pakistani’s membership to common wealth suspended and Pak became the only country to hold a record of 3 suspensions.
More than 50 journalists are killed in Pak during Mush’s rule.
Pak is declared as the 3rd most dangerous country after Iraq and Afghan.
We became the wrost deomocratic country in the world where an Army chief ruled for 8 years.
Our judicial system, democratic values defaced us in the world.
Our political leaders were sent on exile and first time ever, other world leaders started intefering in our internal matters.
We lost our case in Baglihar Dam at the international court of justice.
There were at least 50 sucide attacks in Pakistan during last 8 years.
Media was banned in Pak and GEO, the most famous channel is still banned.
Constitution was suspended twice in last 8 years and 2 PCOs were issued to shield dictator’s rule.
Mush issued an ordinance providing a clean chit to the looters of national wealth.
The entire NWFP, Balochistan is going through a crisis.
Pakistan is paying the price of war on terrorism and Mush is using this war in its favor.
All the travel advisories issues from western countries made our country a highly risk carry country. Sports teams strated refusing to trip Pak.
Northen By Pass bridge was an example of so called growth in the industrial sector.
Wheat and Sugar crisis in the last few years is known to everybody around. Grocery items prices are reaching to its highes.
Economic activity in Pak mainyl happened due to oversease remittances and it can not be put under Mush’s credit. Stability of institutions, fredom of Media, recognition of Voice of civil society can not be compromised upon so called economic growth.
Many Thanks,
Kashif
Bilal
Can you see anything beyond your own personal interests? Like father like son.
Let your father know that we Pakistanis have finally awakened and have realised that we have been fooled again by another selfish mlitary dictator. We, as a nation stand cheated. We have our heads bowed down with shame due to the crimes your father has comitted. He has destroyed our judiciary, our civil society and our lawyers community. Besides, he has pitched Pakistan Army against his own people and has ordered Airforce to bombard our own lands. He shakes hands with the known enemies of Pakistan and waves a punch to the nation. He and his associates have been lying consistantly since Mar 9, 2007 when the Hero of the people of Pakistan Mr. Iftekhar Ahmed Choudhry, the Chief Justice of Supreme Court of Pakistan refused to surrender to the dictator’s command.
Can you tell me why did your dad go against CJP once the court ruled that the privatisation deal for sale of Pakistan Steel Mill was not transparent? If your dad had been honest, he would have taken to task those who were responsible of this deal. Yet he chose to defend those cheaters and went against the CJP. You know why? Becuase all the frauds and cheaters of Pakistan were then in close alliance with your dad.
How could dictator act against his own power pillers? Like every dictator, your dad has no public support. Therefore he relies heavily upon persons like Wasi Zafer, The Choudhries of Gujrat, Malik Qayyum, Sher Afgan,Tariq Aziz, MQM, Durrani, Ejaz Ul Haq, Qusoori, Faisal Saleh, Hayat Sherpao and the list does not end.
Bilal can you please tell me the names of 50 % of the huge cabinet your dad was able to form after encouraging lotaism in the country’s politics for his personal gains? If you fail to recall these names, please do not feel shy since no Pakistani can.
Finally can you imagine an army chief taking over as President of USA after dethrowning the elected President? Or can an army chief in USA send 2/3rd of superior court judges home on his commmand? If yes, do write so in support of your ideas in any US newspaper and wait what americans have to say to you. If NO, do you and your dad think we are some 3rd class people living in Pakistan who deserve all what is happening in Pakistan and the type of rulers we have now?
Naveed
What the hell is all this crap about. I have not written any letter to any one. This letter is FAKE.I disown whatever is written in the subject letter attributed to me.Nothing is wrong with my father he is alright.
Dear Bilal, could you pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez convey our views to your enlightened father. I am a big critic and fan of your father. I really admire his intelligence, wit and sincerity but approach. Will he answer the following questions publicly:
1. Why in Pakistan even a good man like Mushraf cannot become a President of Pakistan in a normal democratic way and is constrained to undertake extremely unpopular, undemocratic , illegal , unconstitutional ways for becoming a President?
2. And why he could not do any thing in this regard?
3. Why in Pakistan an ordinary mortal like me could NOT dream of becoming a President and why it should always be through the office of COAS?
4. Doesn’t he think we have too much of this Army every where, poking its nose everywhere but not where, where it must?
5. All these big ,big Generals (An army of Generals: serving & retired(sorry they never retire) ) hovering around every where and deciding everything about the fate of this nation of slum dwellers: aren’t they more then the required strength?
6. If he can amend the constitution then what excuse he has for not solving any problem this nation is facing?
7. Doesn’t He and his generals feel ashamed while enjoying the perks which even the American Generals are envious of whereas the fellow citizen majority of whom lives in slums are left unattended and fed with hollow slogans like Bulging Forex reserves?
I have tried to go through all the different letters written about the President.I am just wondering about all the filthy language used by the so-called learned people.You may hate the man for whatever the reason but please do not be so abusive.He may be the worst person according to you and you have every right to criticize him but please do not use such vulgar language about his parents/family.This shows you own family background and the type of brought-up you have got.So,kindly refrain from using such language in future.
- If I’m not mistaken, BB and Nawaz ran away from Pakistan. Their exile was self-imposed. Why? Because of the corruption cases lined against them.
- As far as Bilal is concerned, dude, we shouldn’t be answerable for anyone’s actions except our own.
- Like it or not, prices are going up the world over. This phenomenon is not limited to Pakistan alone. It’s all a simple matter of relativity. Best not to forget.
- Name-Calling?? Pointless…
- MQM-Bashing?? To each his own…
- President Musharraf?? I support you because I believe you are lesser amongst evils… If it hadn’t been for you and your policies esp post 9/11, Pakistan would have been another Afghanistan. Waziristan and Swat?? Well, we would’ve been living in another Iraq. Thank you for not letting America bomb us back to the 9th century.
- Salman Ahmed?? It’s so much more easier to be living elsewhere and make sweeping statements about the people in power. Someone said in an earlier post, injustice is everywhere… then why doesn’t Mr. Salman Ahmed raise his voice where America’s policies regarding the War on Terror are concerned?
- As long as Pakistan progresses, we shouldn’t really care whose in power and who isn’t… after all, waqai mein, Sab Se Pehle Pakistan (no pun intended)
- It’s really sad to see people abusing eachother’s parents and families. Please, it’s a request, leave all others out… spare them…
- No government can satisfy the needs of everyone. It’s strange how the same people who praised Musharraf say some of the most vile and disgusting things about him.
- Oh and by the way, I’m a 23 year old Business Student and have lived in Karachi all my life. True, there have been moments where I have disagreed with President Musharraf’s stance on certain issues, but I’ve seen this city progress like nothing else. No other government in the past (as long as memory and historical records serve me) has granted the Karachi City Government with the Budget to put this city’s needs in order. I thank the current government for not gobbling down every last piece of the monetary pie and spending a substantial amount on the development of my beloved city.
*peace*
Nargis Kamal
I think the people who have been abusing Bilal and his family should be ashamed of themselves. Democracy does not mean that we lambaste each others fathers and family members to kingdom come with lunacy and profane language. Get a grip please!!
As for The general.. i truly believe that even though he has made some pretty messed up decisions in the past months he is a much better leader, a much better person and a much better Pakistani then any of these current crop of politicians vying for a piece of the pie
Let us not forget my friends that Musharaf has fought for this country on battle fields as well…how many of us have? before he ever got a taste of power he has served this country more than any of us would ever dare to do.
And no.. i am not on his payroll.. or leave a chance to take a good humored jibe at him.. i am as upset as many of you are over his decisions regarding the judiciary.. but we cannot take everything away without giving him any credit. All of you who have lived in Karachi or been here in the last 8 years.. have you not noticed the amount of infrastructure development taking place? Have you not seen the roads the services developed more than in any Sheeda tullis or BBs political career? i have lived in this city all my life and i have never seen so much development. Who is to get credit for all this??? are we just brave when we are criticizing? or do we have the balls to give credit where it is due as well?
As far as Salman Ahmed is concerned.. i do not know him… and he is a talented musician yes… but the day i see a celebrity taking a beating in the street along with people like the lawyers and the journalists, they can have my respect. Until then they are just another opinion.
I couldnt help laughing my arse off reading through comments that my fellow countrymen made!
AHHHH ! we are far from it…friends !
read through this thread and ull get to know why we stand here !
The most lamentable tragedy is the indifference of the army. Musharraf used the army as his personal salves for 8 years and the brave men in unifrom don’t even have the guts to court-martial him.
Musharaf has not used army as slaves but its “shared” project, each and everyone of them is minting money. Even the retired generals who used to be a part of this gang are heading various government owned corporations and their corruption is not a secret.
I dont know if Billal got any share from what his father in law took from Husnain Construction in name of consultancy or the $900 million rail project which was given to his father in law without tenders while China proposed to do same project in $ 300 million and that to on basis of 25 years soft loan.
Billal, it is still time to fled from Pakistan.
I have seen some graves which become the target and symbol of hatred, and I assure you that your father is far ahead then what a person can be hated by any society.
And I assure you I have no political agenda and even not residing in Pakistan.
hello Bilal and Salman,
I think both of you stand discredited by the very fact that the country you claim to own and stand up for is not your chosen country of residence.
We ordinary Pakistanis live, breathe and survive the dialy trials and tribulations for this country, because we love, own and live it. We struggle for our causes (whatever they may be). Our causes are ours and we espouse them living in this country because our future generations have a stake in this country.
You live your lives detached from the realities of Pakistan and think you can make a change by writing in websites and newspapers. Please understand Pakistan can only be improved by living and breathing the country not by living in the United States and pontificating under various excuses/justifications.
The people of Pakistan will improve Pakistan not wealthy, privileged runaways who keep trying to represent a country which they consider unfit to live in for any reason.
br
bilal
As for these idiots who get into the ethnic debate of punjabi, muhajir, sindhi, baluchi and pathan. They are nothing but MORONS.
I as a Punjabi would like to say that Karachi is the brain of Pakistan and home to some of the most patriotic Pakistanis possible.
Chauvinism whether its Punjabi, Pathan, Muhajir or of any other variety is UNACCEPTABLE. Each ehinicity is an integral part of Pakistan and brings its own set of merits to our nation.
STOP THIS ETHNIC NAME CALLING AND FOR ONCE SHOW THAT THE MONEY SPENT BY YOUR PARENTS ON YOUR EDUCATION WAS NOT IN VAIN!!!!
Long live KARACHI and every other city of Pakistan.
Long live Pakistan
Democracy is ruled by elected people, wether they are good or bad for the country.
At this stage, current pakistani government should let elections take place on january 8.
Whatever the results are, pakistani people will have to live with it. If turmoil, blasts,shots, riots should arise: this is the slow, painful way to democracy. Remember the immensly bloody french revolution paved the way to western democratic regimes….
Some one was telling that Pakistan does not exist in new world order after 2020. It seems musharraf is there to ensure and expedite this happening.
The type of people we are, i believe we deserve this.
Ali, Faisalk,
There is nothing to laugh about. Musharraf has raped and slaughtered Pakistan.
Well said Electris, Bilal, Gulab and Silence! Keep posting. Objective comments are always a pleasure to read.
Mr Bilal
No doubt you would inherit bllions dollars of lands and assessts of Pakistan that have been taken from a poor nation because your father served this nation as a brutal and sensless nation.If you have time after yours luxurious life you achieved thru yours father think that now you have inherited worst aspects of yours father inheritence,i.e
killings of thousand of civilians and poor soldiers,usurp of power bestowed to him by almighty Allah,Physical and mental torture to those who dare to speak against his policies,misuse of govt funds and resources by selecting corrupt establishment and politicians for accelarating his unlawful rule.Now he is God father of army mafia.
Guys, I dont think its fair with Bilal, Lets not judge a person for his fathers actions, he was supporting his father which any of us would do, isn’t it? its really easy to say things and point fingures to others, Are we not the same group who Welcomed his father? if we cna make mistakes anyone can and i dont think annoy someone is a way out of difficult times.
I dont like Gen. Musharraf’s actions as well, many of them. But is he really any worse than any of our political leaders? Were they democratic, really?
Geo aor GEO ko kholo yarr.
Musharraf is the best that could have happened to Pakistan! Those that talk against him are half Pyscho. Salman Khan is a parrot of Imran Khan (the father of illigitimate Tyrian).
I’m glad someone kicked the hell out of these corrupt & bribe making lawyers. The Transparency calls them as “The most corrupt institution of Pakistan”. They will do anything for money! Judiciary, Police and Parliament are the most corrupt departments of PAK.
These SOLD-OUT cheap media men, who didnt even have proper shoes to wear, have been sold out to Indian agents and Israeli mission against Pak. Why doesn’t GEO ever report “Human right abuses in Kashmir”? Why GEO deosn’t criticize India treatment against Pakistan?
Musharraf allowed above 50 channels in Pak, and is also making a Media University for the decent & men of stature, in Islamabad. Hopefully, we’ll rid of cheapsters & low stoop people like shahid masood, kashif abbasi, etc.
These corrupt politicians under disguise of democracy come to our country and loot it & run away to their foreign palaces in UK, USA, Dubai, Saudia. When they can’t get their hands on the foreign reseves $17 billion… they start accusing Musharraf.
The sick aspiring ex-CJP Iftikhar wanted to become the president after having Musharraf removed in conspiracy with help of Hamid Gul andmoney of Nawaz Sharif. He was running a gangster movement like Altaf Hussein MQM. The lawyers were as Badmaash as Altaf. I’m glad their asses been kicked.
All those that curse Mussharaf… same to you!
Bilal,
You have definitely inherited your father’s vindictiveness, as evident from you bashing of Salman Ahmad. How about standing up now for your mother who has taken numerous beating from your drunk father?
But perhaps standing up for his mother is not in the blood of a grandson of a public dancer.
Hi,
I am an Indian living in Dubai & with many friends from Pakistan, I can say that I can empathise the pain they have to endure thinking about their family & nation. Please do not take it otherwise but I personally believe that Musharraf is a pragmatic man who did some real good for Pakistan when it was almost a bankrupt country but the sheer duration of his rule has led to a civil unrest among the pakistani community which is known to be brave & fearless. I think that he should have timely ensured the transition to democracy when things were fine & could have avoided the fate of Yahya khan. BUT as the condition in the country is now, I believe that he is the best man to curb the increasingly powerful tribal lords & to control the increasing influence of Taliban who sought a refuge in Pakistan when they were running for their lives & who have now turned their weapons against their very saviours & shelter-givers. The last thing pakistan needs is a democratic-government which is incapable of curbing extremism & taking strict actions against the terrorists.
That’s Just my view. I hope Pakistan returns to Normalcy as soon as possible.
Regards,
Deepak
well hERESWhat mush desirves!!!
MUSH SEEMS A SON OF A BUSH
BILAL A SON OF A WOLF!!
A WOLF WHO HAVE SUCKED BLOOD OF INOCEINT PEOPLE
BY PRESENTING PRISE HIKES SHOCKING THE PEOPLE
ALL HE DID IS THAT HE REMOVED THE CONCEPT OF CLASSES
NO MORE MEDIUM JUST LOWER LOWER!!CLASSES
TREATING PEOPLE LIKE THEY BE SLAVES!!
SOME ONE TELL THAT BASTARED THAT HEZ A SHAME!!
HEZ TRYING TO IMPROVE IMAGE OF US THE SLAVES
WHILE WE ALL ARE BURNING IN HIGH FLAMES!!
NO ONE KNOW WHEN HEZ GONA GO!!
ALL ONE CAN GUESS THAT HOWZ HE GONA GO!!!
CUZ HEZ TRAPED HE DONT KNOW !!!BUT ALL HE ND WE KNOW
IS “”GO MUSHARAF GO”"” FOR SAKE OF god PLZ go
WELL MUSHARAF IS SUCH A SHAME THAT IF HE GETS IN OUR HAND WE ARE GONA PEEL HIS SKIN OOF,PAINT HIS FACE WITH BLACK PAINT BUT WE R NOT GONA GIVE HIM RIDE ON DONKEY CUZ HE WILL FEEL INSULT!!!NOT MUSH THE POOR DONKEY!HAHAHAHAHAHA
PEACE!! “”GO MUSHARAF GO”"
Lovely and rightly written emails by Ms. Nighat and Salman,. We all should stand against evil Musharraf!
This seems to be a never ending debate on the person and performance of President Musharraf.Without getting into this, let me pose a question.Where do we stand as a nation?From what I gather from the discussion here is that we are a deeply divided and polarised society.It seems that we are with out any direction- a rudderless ship.A group of people bunched together by circumstances and given the name “pakistani” nation.We need to ask ourselves the question “who is responsible for this state of affairs?”I firmly believe that we are all responsible for this.Military or civilian leaders,good or bad, who have ruled Pakistan are from the society we live in.They are what we deserve.They are a reflection of what we all are.For God has made this amply clear.So unless we change there can be no change from the above.
How can we march forward as one nation?How can we change our destiny?Lets stop the blame game and work for a change from with in.Lets take responsibility for our own individual actions and stop criticising others.Lets promise to fulfill our obligations and do what is right.We don’t need a leader to guide us but we need to guide ourselves.Lets promise that we will tread the path of our conscience that is the best guide. And every one is blessed with (CONSCIENCE) by the Almighty.
Nargis
I would like to say something about your comments.
If you think Musharraf is better than your education and mental intelletual is questionable. How can he be better when he dismissed the whole of judiciary with an illegal step that he had no authoriy to take?
How can one be his own judge in a civilised society?
How can one kill innocent people in Karachi on May 28 and claim it to be show of power?
How can one slaughter the innocent women and children and still be a sane mind?
Howcome a man is fighting with his own nation, using army and airforce to bomb our own areas and still be a patriotic Pakistani?
He has been targetting media, torturing civil society members, lawyers community and detained those judges who refused to bow down to the dictator’s illegal orders.
Musharraf is illegaly occupying presidency and he has no right to be the head of the state. We Pakistanis will Insha Allah take him to justice and then you all supporters of the false hero would be able to see how brave he really is. Noone who kills innocent children and women can be a brave person at all.
Sad to see how mentally handicapped and unbalanced a person you appear Nargis.
hello musharfi,
please leave the country we dont want u any more,u suck… u r the most wanted criminal.
GO MUSHARAFI GO
GO 2 HELLLLLLLLL
asalam o alaikum to all ma pakistani,
plz stop this fighting in our own country.we have to solve our problems n this rubbish issues instead of using abusing lang n words to each other…n we should stop this bloody indians y they r posting their idiotic view..they want us to fight,they r happy,i think their is a big plans in their mind…we must stop them,we should solve our problems that our contry may become happy n peaceful…….n plz dont using abusive word if ur psting comments…
Musharaf is Big Bastard n Salman AHmed is bigest bastrad than him.. he made Bilal Musharaf his friend when he came to know that Bilal is Musharaf’s friend He start devlpoing friendship wid him He can lick anyone’s toe.. as Musharaf is lcking Bush’s toe
KHUDA KABHI US QOUM KI KISMAT NAHIN BADALTA JO KHUD APNI QISMAT NA BADLE.Mulk men itna kuch ho giya aur loog aram se gharon men baithe hain.Pakistani bechare apne rights nahin jante wesay hum sub be gayrat bhi hain.Lal masjid aur Waziristan ke logon ka khoon hum sub ki gardanon per hai.khas tor se qiamat ke din un ka hisab bauhat sakht ho ga jinke pait men ziada rooti hai aur jo ba ikhtiar hain.ALLAH TALA pakistanis per reham karay ameen
I pitty all the writers above. Musharrafs son is not Musharraf.Please be straightforward to address Musharraf yourself on his website if you all feel so strong about your feelings.Let Bilal enjoy his life, spare him.
I suggest you all devote your time to educate the people of Pakistan to take independent decisions and not be slave to your ideas.
“Butcher of Waziristan meets Butcher of Palestine”
Recent reports have reached Pakistan that General Musharraf held a clandestine meeting with Ehud Barak in Paris on 23/1/08. According to a report on a pro-Israeli web-site ynetnews Barak said, “We support your people and back you due to your significance in securing world peace,” Barak said. Musharraf placed his hand on Barak’s shoulder and replied, “Thank you very much. God willing, I hope you will make progress in the peace process.” In fact so eager was Musharraf to strengthen his relationship with Israel that he convened a second meeting which lasted for an hour. With the spilt blood of Muslims as a common platform between the two leaders, it was reported that they discussed Iran and extremism as mutual topics of interest.
Over the years Musharraf has tirelessly positioned himself before the Pakistani people as the champion of the Palestinian cause; however, Musharraf like the other rulers of the Muslim world has already abandoned Palestinians in exchange for Israeli recognition. Once again, Musharraf like the other rulers is looking for a convenient opportunity to publicly announce his full fledged support for Israel and its belligerent policies against the Palestinians.
The problem of Palestine like the other burning issues of the Muslim world must be treated comprehensively, and the ummah must work hard to remove the despotic leaders who readily embrace her enemies by working hard to re-establish the Islamic Khilafah.
Regards
asalam o alaikum to all ma pakistani,
plz stop this fighting in our own country.we have to solve our problems n this rubbish issues instead of using abusing lang n words to each othern we should stop this bloody indians y they r posting their idiotic view..they want us to fight,they r happy,i think their is a big plans in their mindwe must stop them,we should solve our problems that our contry may become happy n peaceful.n plz dont using abusive word if ur psting comments
please leave all politics only you.
Jeevay jeevay MUsharraff jeevay
Geo Musharraf Geo pakistan
zohaib akhter
Musharraf
Please restore judiciary, democracy and Media. Please get lost forever.
Long live Iftikhar Chaudhry, Imran Khan and Aitezaz Ehsan
Many Thanks,
Kashif
I completely agree with Dr.J Mughal. Although i am an indian but i think that the socities of both india and pakistan suffer from the same problem. we always blame it on our leaders without looking at what we do ourselves. but how long can this continue. ultimately the country is ours. the power lies in our own hands. the sucess of a country depends on the citizens as well as the leaders. instead of blaming others atleast we can change our atttitude and come up to do something for our country. aur agar leaders achhe nahin hain toh khud aage aao. koshish toh karo. inshallah you will prosper and you will succeed in all your endevours. allah hafiz.
I do not care about Salman or Bilal. I am concerned with issues of democracy, judiciary, fair elections, inflation, scandals involving wheat, atta, sugar, cement, stocks because they are hurting Pakistan. I am concerned about the fact that our Army is geeting weaker by fighting its own people because it is being ordered to do so by a General takes orders from the U.S. and is not accountable to a parliament or a court. This is the important stuff. Salman or Bilal are no bodies.
Telegraph was wrong in calling Musharraf “our sonofabitch”.
Musharraf was also wrong in calling his mother Zareen Musharraf a kanjree in his book. He alleges that his mother won an award for public dancing. It is a lie, Zareen Musharraf is not a kanjri.
Shame on Musharraf and on Telegraph for piling dirt on an old woman. Keep her out of politics.
Salman Ahmed is a user. He has unrealistc views. Thanks to some idiotic people in the media, you guys give Pakistan a bad name.
Geo Musharraf Geo
Salman Ahmed is a user. He has unrealistc views. Thanks to some idiotic people in the media, you guys give Pakistan a bad name.
Geo Musharraf Geo
The level of thoughts and expressions saddens me deeply.
Its hard to perceive:
How people of our nation demonstrate such a hatred for anyone?
How we consider ourselves Muslims and the sow the seeds of hatred along ethnic & regional dividing lines?
How we are quick to blame others for not delivering our rights yet we fail to even recognize our duties as a responsible citizen?
How we chose to be abusive in our expression to someone who is not even responsible for anything even if it has gone wrong?
We consider ourselves Muslims and that is the foremost since the claim was to acquire a separate nation for “Muslims” yet we forget who we are when we converse?
One should not fail to recognize the sacrifice of those who migrated to found the nation of Pakistan, which also includes the founder of the nation Qaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.
It is so clearly observed even in the comments posted here that while several commentators do not wish to credit Pres. Musharaf for the foreign exchange that is coming to Pakistan still count that on behalf of remittances yet they pick in an abusive manner against the same people who live abroad and contribute to these remittances!
John F. Kennedy said, “ask what you can do for your country, and not, what your country can do for you.”
For those who hate Urdu speaking Pakistanis and use abusive language towards them I would like to only say this much and hope that Allah SWT will forgive me for mentioning this, when the country of Pakistan was established the Govt. of Pakistan did not have funds to pay the salary of Govt. employees and it came from the wealth of those immigrants.
When the State Bank of Pakistan wanted to print the monetary instruments and issue currency there were no gold reserves in the treasury to provide monetary backing as customary for issuance of currency, and the GOLD that was needed to provide this monetary backing came from the immigrants.
When Pakistan was founded there were very few people from the local population that were educated enough to take charge of various govt. institutions while the wave of Migrants otherwise also known as Mohajirs brought plenty of intellectuals who left their well established lives to answer the call for establishing the nation of Muslims.
These migrants left all their property, wealth and belongings in the name of Islam for the establishment of a country of Muslims, not to mention a great majority also left their families behind, while a great number were also massacred by Indians while on their way to Pakistan.
The migrants also greatly contributed to the education of Pakistan in a great proportion, by establishing institutions and imparting education.
The question is that even after all these sacrifices by the migrating population which came to Pakistan only in the name of Islam why there is such an outcry against them by some people of Pakistan.
Since their embarking in Pakistan these migrants have been ill-treated by some people and have been called by names such as, Panah Geer, Makar, Matharwa and many more indignities, but why?
They brought whatever they could, they contributed whatever they could, they even gave their lives and lost families in a split yet those who appear to be muslims of local population continue to conveniently target the mohajirs/Urdu speaking.
What is their fault, why are they being treated in such a poor manner?
It is a matter of common knowledge and observation that most of the people clean their homes and send the trash out in the street which are filled with filth of all types not to mention the stink, and yet we consider ourselves Muslims, this would be Muslims with only half the Iman if there is any since a very basic hadith says that, cleanliness is half the iman, whatever happened to the rest of iman/faith? and, how with only half the faith we consider ourselves to be a Muslim since the 50% of our iman is not intact.
We have more faith in USA and it’s authorities than we have in Allah SWT, if we had that faith in Allah SWT imagine what all the Almighty would have blessed us with?
It is so shameful to even think that we expect humans like us to fulfill our requirements and fail to seek from Allah SWT who is the most supreme power and there is no end to HIS blessings.
Like one of the commentators mentioned above, Allah SWT does not help the one who does not first help themselves.
It is only my humble request that those who chose to inflict abusive language on their own Muslim brothers offer a small prayer and ask Allah SWT to help us all build our nation along the principles of our deen and seek HIS forgiveness on our intended and unintended inflictions.
A good Muslim does not allow his/her emotions to take over and does not insult or abuse his brothers tied together by the rope of Islam.
If each of us is able to assess our weaknesses and seek guidance from the Almighty with good intention there is no reason that could keep us from becoming the best nation in the entire world, but we have to be sincere in what we seek and what we practice only then we can expect the help and guidance from the Almighty Allah until then all of us are no more than maggots.
Mr.President can be a president for decades, we never mind. B.Musharraf should not be brought into politics. look at our formal politicians like benazir and Sharif’s who ran away from the country when their time came to be punished by the people, and “Mr. Nawaz says the problem is Musharraf” with whom he sought mercy form secretly in Saudi Arab.Shame on Mr. Nawaz. But they should know that they will be punished for their bad deeds with the people of pakistan on the day of judgement, where they will never be able to run away to their looted palaces.
Thanks To Allah,
who have saved and given chances to Mr. President after world record assasinations attempts.
BILAL
Musharraf is A Blessing for Pakistan. May Allah Almighty Save President Musharraf. Ameen.
Musharrafs Fight For Pakistan
So Who’s Real Traitor Dig Out …
President Musharraf took over the Power on 12th October 1999 in a BloodLess Coup in Pakistan amid International Condemnation. The days he came in Power were one of the worst times Pakistan has ever seen in its history. There was Mismanagement in Every Field, Mass Lootings by the politicians of Nations Resources. Pakistan was on edge of being declared as A Failed State and our economy was near Defaulting. There was Lawlessness, Religious Tensions and a Very Strong sense of Inter provincial Disharmony. This was all the result of Selfish, Power Hungry and embattled politicians who were fighting for their vested Interests.
When Musharraf was dragged into Power by thens Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in an awkward manner by risking his (Musharrafs) life and about two hundered other people on board, Musharraf Mangaged to escape and Imposed Army Coup in Pakistan and promised Pakistani Nation that he would Introduce the Real Democracy instead of a Sham once, Which existed before him. Nawaz Sharif was sent into Exile on Request of him and a Friendly Country who agreed to host him.
Here Started the time of Musharraf as the Chief Executive of Pakistan. Over the years he had a lot of Problems with International Community (Mostly the Big Powers Such As US and UK like calling themselves) for taking the power over, from the Democratic leaders, But he could not care less about all this and Kept Working in the Interest of Pakistan. Then happened the 9/11 Which has brought a Total Change in Wests Attitude towards Musharraf. All of Pakistans neighboring countries Including India have started reaching out to US to show support in its campaign against what they called Terrorists (The Old Allies of Soviet Times). US wanted to get into Afghanistan to Occupy It and Bring the culprits of 9/11 to Justice hinting at Alqaida and Usama Bin Laden. Pakistan was at crossroads, If we would have opted for Taliban (a Friendly Regime in Afghanistan) So had to face the wrath of International Community and if we were to Opt for West it could bring dangerous Afghan war to our own streets. By the way we had to go for one Option. In Short President Musharraf has Opted for being Neutral and just offered to provide the West with Logistical Support . By doing this he has turned from a ”Dictator” to ”Most Important Ally of US” and Personally saved Pakistan from being Isolated and feel the heat of the Worlds Anger at Non Cooperation, At the other hand Did Not become the Direct Aggressor on the Neighboring Country.
In Those Times Chief Executive of Pakistan General Pervaiz Musharraf was seen as a Heroic Personality in the West and President Bush had The Privilege to host Mr Musharraf many times in his Country with open arms and Unfinishing Praising Words. Even, All that did Not Stopped Musharraf to tell Bush in US, That The Pakistanis feel ‘US is not their Real Ally Afterall, US gets its Interests solved by Pakistan and always betray us in the End’. In answer to this, Mr Bush came up with these historic words that This time around US , Pakistan friendship would not be like a short dance But again he has proved that those remarks Were Nothing But Empty Words used for US Interests. By the way MR Musharraf gained the Reputation worldwide as a Straight Forward, Truthful and Honest person in all these times.
In the mean time Afghanistans Ugly war has entered into Pakistan as feared, and Embattled Pakistani Soldiers started giving their lives to save their homeland and Their Citizens. Now Americas demands started growing, After unfinishing Do More Rantings for our Border War, they started expecting Alot more from Pakistanis. They had their Misadventure done in Iraq after Afghanistan and when unexpectedly had The Real Tough Time in that Invasion, US Asked Pakistani Government to send its forces in Iraq to Replace US Forces. Around six months US used UN Platform for these demands, after got exhausted with Pakistani Government. But Musharraf had the Stance that we can Not Afford to fight someone elses wars and would Not involve in that fight. Obviously it has angered US Gravely. Plus Musharrafs refusal to Assist US in Latest Iran Plans and by him Refusal to US Demands of Infiltration in Waziristan in wake of ‘Taliban Threat’ , Not to mention Pakistans Firm Stance to Go Ahead with Iran- Pakistan- India Gas Pipeline (IPI), Which US did not want to see happening.
All this made Musharraf from a Hero to a Dictator Again. The Rants of Democracy in Pakistan started pouring from Whole of the Western Media day in, day out. When the Do More Stance has been answered by Pakistani Forighn Minister Khursheed Kasuri in a way that Pakistan is the Country whos been facing the harshest consequences in War On Terror and its Others Not Pakistan who need to Do More.
All this was Just too much for the West to bare . SO Much Independence by a Non-Western Country Specially An Important Islamic Country was like a Nighmare That wasnt Quite Right they Supposed . So Thanks to Our Traitors . They got Sold off Yet Again …. Keeping the history alive and there came the Democracy Chants from Every corner of The World and our SoldOuts Got what they Wanted
Now Thank God wer back in Democracy .. Who REALLY Cares about Sovereignty.
Fasih Ali Khan
Lahore, Pakistan
Bilal, you are not alone in this fight. You have the support of many like us.
Salman is a great musician, but not many will disagree that he is an attention seeking, bono wannabe middle aged man who finds himself without the popularity he enjoyed a few years ago.
Your father is a great leader, regardless of the company he has chosen to kept. It is unfortunate that some bad decisions have been made. But if you look at our country today, no one has done as much for Pakistan as much as Pervaiz Musharraf. I hope history will do him justice.
Belated congrats on your grandma winning a public dancing award.
It is amazing how the son of a public dancer can become the president, only in Pakistan.
sham on u
biggest liar in our country spreading false news.where all these people died?
killing terrorist is 100% halal in islam
Dear friends (in favor and against of both General Musharraf and Bilal Musharraf)
I am a personal victim of the Perviz Musharraf and I lost my carrier job in Pakistan just because that I send an email to the presidency. Oh My God Why I made that mistake? I then left Pakistan and came here to US.
Anyways – Musharraf has a clear and simple agenda “Pakistan First” which means that first it should be destroyed. He is successfully working on this agenda and almost completed the task.
His son Bilal had no option to be the son of Musharraf otherwise I am sure he would have opted for it, by looking at the false promises which his father made with 160 million people of Pakistan on TV.
Bilal is enjoying life in US and let him enjoy because if God wants him to enjoy then he should enjoy.
PAKISTAN IS SOCIETY OF THE PREVLIGED. THE CHILDREN OF THE LESSER GOD SUFFER HERE ONLY. THIS COUNTRY WAS MADE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ABSOLUTE POWER REST ALL TO SERVE AND SUFFER.
Oh come one guys, let now talk about Mushy and Salman. Every one knows about Mushy, but why are we talking about Salman. Salman is the friend of Zani-e-Azam of pakistan, his excellency Imran Khan, working for the justice in the country (SO CALLED I GUESS). Salman claims to be Imran’s friend and if birds of same feather fly togther notion is right then lets think Salman of the same cadre. Point to think Dr. Samina (Salman’s wife) whether she want to stay with him or want to get the divorce.
This is all about about your mental attitude and atmosphere you have. You seem adicted of such stuff. If even you are abandoned you request to get involved in it. Just stop spitting around and think to be gentle. This is not enough that nobody sees you then you are out of your control. Sobre people have a strong controll they don’t care what comes around the corner.
Dear Bilal,
Your father is great man he killed all terrorist, in northern area, Balochistan, and Sawat.
We need a leader like your father who can make us free from this rubbish extremist.
Geo Musharraf (Amin)
short memmory – our national charector. we want change nothing else. we are the one so called cevil society who forced Musharaf for what he has done in the past year. Let me tel you that Musharaf is the one who told us what is free media. Dont for get that we are a corrupt nation and our media is part of that. Our private chanells are infact working for the corrupt politicians. We dont deserve honest rulers this is why I advise Musharef to quit.
Dear Mr.Bilal
Please do not mind the comments of these people.Actually, our nation has got a very short memory.They have forgot what your father has done good for country. I wish we would have in stone age then perhaps they realized.We are not like Iran.To stop US intervention we will have to produce a man like Mr. Khomayni, but problem is that we have got 72 sects so there will be 72 khomaymies, again big problem for this pakistani nation.Very simple ,when Harzat Ali (K.A.W), the Honest and most brave man in world after Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) could not led the whole muslim nation on track so how come Mr.President Musharf can do alone.I wish this country would have 53rd state of US, atleast all would have in peace, as all our pakistanies are living peacefully in US, Canada,UK etc under christians society and observing their isalamic practices freely but in our country Lal musjid provided an issue to nation to criticize Mr.Musharaf who provided the freedom to criticize himself,thankless and short minded nation. I really do pray for this brave man and may God be an safe guard to him.
President Mushraff
A great personality to save Pakistan from draughts / rags
and extension.
I personaly think that P.Musharaf will prove to be a hero in future, time to come .
Now Pakistan is facing another curb, new sitting Govt of PPP and coalition are trying to bring back pakistan to dark ages, to cutover Pakistan from rest of World.
Pakistan is facing Power and Energy crisis,added with Wheat and eatable items, which is becoming out of reach for poor.
and we are fighting for Judges and supreme court, remember that day when Mr.Nawaz Sharif attacked Supreme Court.
A Pakistani
Tariq Khan.
Dear respondents (Busharraf lovers) and Mr. Bilal,
I only like to put the facts straight which you might be oblivious to in the lawns of Yale and the winds of America, it only needs to be a middle class citizen of this country to realise what your Retd. (honorable) father has done to this country and continues to do so… the visions, missions, are the easiest things to be crafted by ordinary managers hence i dont take any pride in hollow slogans of enlighted (read; fused moderation) whats more important are the actions and the results with which your dad has left us to deal with, since Bilal likes to quote mgmt gurus of Yale to justify his claims it would be appropriate if he tastes the answers in the same tone.
Dateline Pakistan 2008;
Pakistan a more dangerous place than it was in 99 after Busharraf’s coup… Pakistan close to the bring of being called a failed state with the policies of Busharraf…
Busharraf had to join hands with the most corrupt elite of Punjab’s chouwdaries and NABbed politicians to continue his illigitimate rule…
Busharraf forced AQ Khan the hero of the nation, the man who empowered Busharraf & Pakistanis to look eye ball to eye ball into its 6 times larger enemy, Busharraf not only insulted him he publicly maligned his character as if he was sleeping when the centrifuges were transferred to N Korea, (or in the other words he was the MOST ignorant army chief)of whats happening in Kahuta and with Nukes. Busharraf was the mastermind of Kargil misadventure and he refused to acknowledge his own soldiers bodies after Kargil’s fiasco (to date indian news papers make fun of us)
Busharraf enjoyed his illigitimacy only and only thru the support of Bush admin, his popularity has gone down the drain now
Busharraf never liked anyone in his cabinet who can think his best friends were Shujaat and Ilahi, Wasi Zafar (scum of the earth),
Busharraf sold the Steel mills with corruption at throw away prices and when supreme court turned ruling against him, his dictator inside woke up with a yawn, and then he did what no other country has ever done… elightened moderation… huh.. my foot..
Busharraf gace hundreds of youth to CIA secretly and received tons of $$$ from them, and when the CJ took notice of his wrong doings or asked his stooges to produce evidence or the person and then he did what no other country has ever done to its judiciary… elightened moderation… huh.. my foot..
Busharraf got slammed with hatred / dirty cartoons worldwide for being a loyal servant of US while CJ Iftikhar got the “Independence Award” from Harvard Law School, I am sure mr. Bilal rates Harvard slightly above Yale…!!
Busharraf’s spoons and chamchas got thwarted in the elections, he is still adamant that he is the ligitimate ruler, he openly asked for votes in army uniform for corrupt chawdries, and the result is clear… shame on the chamcha culture,
Pakistan army never was so threatened in its own country, its his policies that a 3 star general was killed within Kms of GHQ, hundreds of jawans get killed every month thru their own citizens,
Pakistan now has most suicide bombings than Iraq or Afghanistan, and more killings than anyother country,
Economy wise Busharraf is another flop, power crisis, flour crisis, law and order, depreciated $ at 73, stocks crashing daily, investors running away, Cricketers refusing to tour pakistan…
I can go on and on my dear countrymen, pls wake up to the reality, fight for the restoration of judges, the country which couldnt honor its Judges, and honors ppl like mr. 10% and chawdries, will be broken in 4 pieces like we suffered one defeat in 71. with Busharraf being the only beneficiary living in Ankara in his villa…
open challenge to any loyalist of Busharraf to respond to any point.
those all people blaming karachi and its people while including the ruling party over here… even don’t know about themselves… how can they criticize people of karachi and insult them… yes.. you are the people who are distibuting gifts of hatred between us.. you people divide the nation by callinhg them sindhi, panjabi, sarhadi, balochi.. and … mahajirs…. why man? why are you calling us mahajirs? i am a pakistani who was born in my great city karachi….. and i am a pure pakistani…. how can you say that i am a mahajir…. you people keep your mouth shut…. nonsense…. we are one… and you are not included in it…. who divide us by calling sindhi balochi etc….. we live in karachi, not you…. you don’t know about a single pinch of reality about us and our city….. you say what your privately owned political parties tell you, what your sold out media tells you… you do not know about its streets, roads, homes and houses, communities, you people even don’t know how to talk because you are using “abusive words” for the people of pakistan.. shame on you… shame on you….we karachites are pakistani…. we are born here….. this pakistan was made for muslims… not for people who divide muslims due to their nationalities….. just tell us why there was an operation against us in the past….??? nobody talks about that..?? it was nothing… we saw our brothers… young boys…. elders dying in front of us, in the city of lights, for no reason, .. in their streets where they lived… …. and mind that do not dare us to call mahajirs… because we are pakistanis… you hate us…but not pakistanis…. that is all “us”, “we”, “i” = pakistani!
allah nigahban
pakistan paenda baaad
Since when Pakistanis became intellectuals to decide that Musharaf is not good for them. Just to show the mirror to them who say Musharaf has destroyed the country that as far as I can remember Asif Ali Zardari use to be called MR. PERCENT and was in Jail before becoming hero national hero, Nawaz Sharif has preferred to be in exile for eight years rather then facing corruption charges. You Pakistanis again selected the two most corrupt people in the world and then try to pretend that you are educated and intellectual enough to decide. Stop fooling yourself guys. I would rather support an intellectual dictator then a corrupt politician.
Yes Mr. Shah, I 100% agree with you… I also prefer a dictator over these “OFF-THE-SCENE USA BACKED, ON-THE-SCENE ANTI-AMERICAN…. ELECTED DOGS OF THE PARLIAMENT”, sorry for being rude… but it’s reality…. and these political parties NAWAZ AND ZARDARI are drama actors with enormous amount of wealth in their underpants and MEDIA is their is their shared wife…. now they are tightening their belts to rule over us again…
SAFDAR MAHMOOD
FROM KARACHI….
It is truly quite astonishing and at the same time very disappointing and sad to see how the discussions on this forum have been going about. In many a way they seem to reflect exactly the state the country is in; and the reason Pakistan is in such a mess.
Hardly anyone has proposed a solution towards the ongoing crisis, but everyone has played the blame game and pointed fingers towards each other.
The harsh truth is that we as a nation do not use our God given capacity and ability to actually tell right from wrong and then move towards a path of betterment. Today our political figures are people like Musahraf , Asif Zaradri, Nawaz Sharif etc, the only reason they are in such commanding positions is because we as a nation have allowed them to be there.
I think no one will disagree with me when I say that is it of utmost importance that Pakistan needs a change in its political leadership all together, what’s even more important is that the change should be positive. I have no respect for any of the above mentioned political figures. This may sound harsh but personally I believe each one of them needs to be jailed for life and not to allow their family members to ever uphold any political posts unless or until they have earned ot so completely on merit as other people in other countries do.
Musharaf maybe clean of his intentions but he has failed to govern the country and his failure has led in massive economic down fall and killings of innocent people. The others as we have seen through generations are simply corrupt and cannot careless of Pakistan and its citizens. To say the least they are butchers and will kill each and everyone of us for another penny in their pocket.
Have I said anything that no one is aware off, I think not. So what to do? Where to go? And whom to go to? My answer is that the middle class (educated) people go out in the streets, educate the poor, do community work, and fight for each other rights and demand the government to follow only what is in the constitution and that no man is above the law whether he be rich or poor. Justice and law are the Foundations of any successful country.
However inorder to do this we need to unite under one common banner, one true honest leader ……. Who better then Imran Khan, A person who has already done so much, he has worked towards both education and charity. He dreams of a peaceful and fair Pakistan, it’s a dream only because we are not with him. He fights for the public, he speaks on their behalf and he allows them unlike any other Pakistani leader to hold him answerable for his actions and to punish him like any corrupt man in Pakistan should be or would be punished.
In the end, do not forget where the people of this country come from, we are the people who made the Taj Maha, the Red Fort, who ruled one of the biggest empire the world has ever seen. We have a culture and history that is rarely found in any part of the world, and yet sad as it is, India is the country who sits on top of this and we cannot even claim what is ours. People like Jahangir, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Mirza Ghalib, Ilama Iqbal etc were produced when society allowed to flourish and appreciate genius and talent. We were great once,we can be again.
I am sitting thousands of miles away from Pakistan, writing this, it is heart breaking and brings tears to my eyes that millions sacrificed their leaves for people like us to have a better future, The eye of the older generation closes in sadness, for I too am amongst you just sitting down and writing rather then working towards a solution and acting upon it. What a shame , what a disgrace we are to ourselves and how are we ever going to redeem ourselves ?
aaahhh…. so finally its the start of a new era, Mush is gone nowm along with his Pakistan-crushing policies. Now there is just one thing left to do. A fair trial of Mush’s crimes. So that, if found guilty, which he most probably would, he should be made Nishan-e-Ibrat. so that NEVER in a million years would a dictator think about ruling the country again.
May Allah have mercy on Pakistan because the fact of the matter is the two tested failures in power will not bring an end to the problems of the common man of Pakistan. Musharraf was being blamed throughout and even when this government took over they were continuing to blame him. With him gone, who are they going to blame now? Is he still going to be planning conspiracies? And as for a dictator coming in power, you can blame your very politicians who never led the nation, always misled. They have always and will continue to put themselves before Pakistan and take whatever is left of this country
The real problem is that these folks in power who term themselves as the ‘torch-bearers’ of democracy are simply incompetent. During the past 100+ days they have achieved nothing. And to their defense, they say that they have been given these problems from the previous government. Will then solve them will ya? That’s why you were elected.
As the opposition stated, these folks are suffering from the ‘Virsa Syndrome’ and they will continue to use this to defy their incompetence. They are not willing to take accountability for anything and a big question remains as to how long this ‘coalition’ will run.
(Dedicated to our Pride – Gen. (R) Pervez Musharraf)
O Pakistani People…!
Deaf, dumb and blind, can YOU not SEE…?
It’s THIS, YOU call, DEMOCRACY!?
It’s NOTHING, but sheer MOCKERY!
Conned NATION! Awake!!
To what’s REAL,…. what’s FAKE!
Thugs and Looters, NEVER heroes are…!
Nawaz? Zardari? THESE are your ‘AVATARS’??
Who REJOICES at one’s OWN EXPENSE??
Dead-minded NATION! Have you no SENSE?
You let Him GO? Who made you STAND?
Found RECOGNITION for your HOMELAND?
HE in whose EYES were YOUR AMBITIONS…
HE who devoted YOU, a DEFINITION…
Made YOUR progress, His ONLY MISSION…
From CLIMBING heights to DIRT! What a RENDITION!!
Pakistanis! YOU’ve chosen, the ROAD to PERDITION!
You LABEL Musharraf’s reign as COERCED?
Eight years that have been Pakistan’s WORST???
He freed YOUR Press… Call that a CRIME?
Gave YOU a VOICE…. For THAT you WHINE?
SAVED you from being LABELLED a TERRORIST….
Took YOU OUT of times that were the BLEARIEST….
That’s His OFFENCE? Well I call that NOBLE!
YOU EXIST on the WORLD map…and guess what? That KNOWLEDGE’s now GLOBAL!
Go on PEOPLE, “LAGEY RAHO…”
The real PARASITES… “UNHAY KUCH MAT KAHO!!”
Feed YOUR EGOS on BIASED opinions from GEO…
Altaf-Zardari-Nawaz… Couldn’t you FIND a more capable TRIO!?
YOU Listen to THEIR slogans… the HYPOCRITES!!
Whose WORDS, whose PROMISES are all COUNTERFEIT!
DEAF-eared NATION, their LINES are REHEARSED!
What will it TAKE? For YOUR bubble to BURST?
‘Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz,’ HE SAID….
What NOW lies AHEAD?
Did YOUR heart not BLEED?
Could you not READ?
The TRUTH, so plainly laid…
Still CAN’T see how YOU’ve been BETRAYED?
Pakistan,
YOUR HONOR is GONE….
YOUR PRIVILAGE is OVER….
YOUR PRIDE has stepped DOWN…. for YOUR sake.
FATE once written cannot be REVERSED….
I SALUTE you GENERAL!…. YOUR loyalty, YOUR regime, YOUR honesty was WELL-VERSED…
Pakistan, WAKE-UP! Carry forth HIS VISION in the BELIEF immersed….
That His TRUTH was NEVER more than… ‘PAKISTAN FIRST!!’
I don’t really understand why Masood thinks so high about Musharraf? Why is he singing songs in praise of some one who is a declared liar and a hypocrite beyond doubt.Some one who religiously and faithfully followed what was dictated to him.A self proclaimed genius who never could do any wrong.The only who well versed with the ideals of Quaid and for whom nothing but Pakistan matters.Musharraf is nothing but the product of circumstances…a consequence of the war on terror. All his actions were directed to prove to his masters that he was the only one to be trusted and and that it is in their best interest to support him to the hilt.
Well that was good for as long as it worked.When the US was convinced that the continuation of Musharraf was no longer necessary and that they have a better option in Zardari,he was cornered and dumped.The so called achievements of Musharraf are far less compared to what he has bequeathed us.His legacy include bringing the war on terror to Pakistan,weakening the federation,murder of the judiciary and creating a wide rift between the armed forces and the public.His so called achievements include building of foreign exchange reserves and initiating mega projects( not power generation).These were, of course, the rewards we reaped as a result of being the front line state in the war on terror.It had nothing to do with Musharraf’s arrogant style of governance or his vision of enlightened moderation.
Well we can not expect miracles from the democratic set up.What change in policy or action has been taken by this government which seem different?If things are going wrong,it is not those in power to be blamed but the policies of Musharraf which are blindly being followed.Of course those in power would not be there if they had not assured the powers of their loyality and doing a better job than Musharraf.
Still blaming musharraf??? contact any psychaitrist PHONE # XXX-XXXX… still singing songs like “His policies, his policies…” contact phone # XXX-XXXX, STILL LOVING YOUR FREE BIASED MEDIA JIYO AND JEENEY DO? on one phase AALIM ONLINE and on other phase INDIAN DANCE NIGHTS…YEh? loving it..? then contact phone # XXX-XXXX as quick as possible…. well, well, well. … now you people have the “DEMOCRATIC SETUP”.. why don’t you change those “MUSHARRAF POLICIES”… as YOU have a democratic setup after all… you have started your greatest practice of all times “THE DEMOCRACY” after all… YOU have your ministers now… you have your political parties now… all these political parties are liar… not anyone else… AND YOUR SO-CALLED THE GREATEST JUDICIARY OF THE WORLD AND IN HISTORY…of which more than 60%-70% deposed judges have taken oath for their jobs again.. without any further demands…leaving their SELF-PROCLAIMED LEADER THE SUO MOTOR OF TRAFFIC JAMS..”JUSTICE I.C”…… how can such a judiciary be the greatest judiciary of the world…”the compromisors”…this clearly indicates that these were raised up through backing of some foreign people inlcuding some local political parties for some agenda of destabilizing the previous Pakistani governmental setup…. AND hahahahahaha…….. NOW FACE YOUR NEW DEMOCRATIC LEADER GREATEST OF ALL PRESIDENTS ANTI-DICTATOR HOPE OF THE POOR THE ONE AND ONLY MR. ZARDARI….; ALONGWITH SARAH PALIN!!!
i disagree with ali azmat….i neither know him personally nor salman.he may have problems with sulman because everone know the fact they are not together now……but mr ali what salman had written is the voice of lay men and when even our enemy tried to do some good effort we have courage to appreciate him……..in which world you are living….thousands of people gave sacrifices for suprmacy of law……what should we tell our kids..
well guys…instead of suggestionz let be practile and do something for pakistan…plz stop blaming eachother..itz time 4change.al we need to do is make ourself a better muslim~!
lol at salman !!! bilal ur dad is the faithful leader for us the outlander … he is quite soothe me n millions of pakistani out of pak ..
Bilal you’re tycoon!! n Salman is jus a brooker singer of lollywood loolz
Bilal plz rise pakistan elsewhere cuz i travels alot n unfort. i ve pakistani passport.. loool my bad u got wat i mean
cheerz
It is very sad to note Pervez Musharaf is bieng dragged into a power theft scandal. He has not shifted to the new premisis yet , and he is being dragged just for the sake of defamation. No such scandal has been reported on Raiwand State. Pervez Musharaf is doing his best to improve the image of Pakistan. In Pakistan there are few paid jourrnalist continue bring such scandals to to serve the vested interests of politicians










While I can understand that it is not easy being the son of a hated dictator, Bilal Musharraf needs to learn from Gohar Ayub. It was Gohar who told his father to quit, saying enough is enough.
Bilal can play a role, not in the public sphere by bashing people who criticize his father. Instead he needs to sit down with his father like Gohar Ayub did almost 3 decades ago.