Guest Blog by temporal from Baithak Blog
Taking advantage of the lame duck Presidency of Bush, the deliberate distancing of President Elect there-is-only-one-president Obama, the holidays in the West and the attending low emphasis of politicians, Israeli Air Force launched a devastating attack on Gaza.
Israel is the non NPT signatory Occupier in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, Golan and East Jerusalem, aided (up to 5 billion a year) and abetted by the West.
President of the Palestinian Authority Mahmood Abbas is perceived as an Palestinian Uncle Tom and he was soundly beaten in the elections by Hamas.
The infamous US dichotomy re: democracy sprung into action and immediately cut off all aid to Hamas in the Gaza Strip. It also twisted its allies and lackeys' arms (including Canada's) to do the same. This US amnesiac approach is well documented and understood globally. Do as I say, not as I do.
Hamas leadership did not go to the same school.
This latest foray into the Gaza Strip would wane away sooner or later. But the violence and "terrorism" it would spawn would perpetuate the cycle for long.
Can anything be done to avoid the unnecessary spiralling of violence? I have written about the solution before here: Peace With Dignity: Another Gift For Israel
Criticizing Zionism is NOT anti-Semitism. States do not exist without an “official” map. Israel has to exist. Its citizens have a right to live in peace and harmony within its defined borders. They forget that to ensure this its neighbors should also have the same rights.
Both Israel and Palestinians have to demonstrate more effectively that they want to live in peace and do not want to kill, maim, expel from their land. It is for them to deliberate and decide if this should come under One State of Two State solution.
The world should help them reach this decision but should not refrain to remind Israel that it should curb its policies of occupation, subjugation, ethnic cleansing, and terrorising.
We should encourage initiatives that will let all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace, with dignity, justice and guaranteed fundamental human rights in secure borders, as enshrined in the various UN resolutions.
To remove misgivings, doubts and suspicions, international bodies including the UN, the European Union, OIC should be enlisted to provide guarantees. Peace in the region is not to be equated with death for the state of Israel.
Israel portrays itself as the David but acts as the Goliath in the region. Here are the (boxing preliminary) statistics of Israel and the Palestinians of the occupied Gaza Strip.
The Occupier Goliaths
High quality tanks 970
Medium and low quality tanks 1830
APCs, IFVs, ARVs, LCVs 6930
Self-propelled artillery 1204
Combat warplanes 875
Transport warplanes 84
Training warplanes 171
Military helicopters 286
Heavy SAM batteries 25
Warships 13
Submarines 3
Patrol boats 50 50
nuclear bombs over 300-500
The Occupied Davids
Five major militant factions operate in Gaza. These are the Islamic groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad; the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, which is loosely tied to Abbas' Fatah faction; the Popular Resistance Committees, a shadowy umbrella group; and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The size of the groups is unclear, but they are equipped with assault rifles, mortars, anti-tank missiles, homemade rockets and other explosives.
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The point neoconzix in Israel and the West refuse to fathom: force is never the solution.
Comments
45 responses to “Israel & Palestine: Force Is Never the Solution”
@ What a silly, naive, and backward title !!
pre-WW I morals and a paracetamol for the
Palestinian muslims. thank God its “temporal” !!!
Asad Ali,
Need I say about the content too? It is disjointed and appears to be a masala from various writings!!!
NRO for Israel?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20081230/tpl-uk-palestinians-israel-iran-sb-43a8d4f.html
@temporal
You say categorically:
“The point neoconzix in Israel and the West refuse to fathom: force is never the solution.”
Israel and Hamas seem to have gone to the same school as they both believe that ‘force is the solution’. They are not altogether wrong. I think if there is no outside intervention and the force is allowed to go to its logical end it can solve many problems. For instance, the problem of Bangladesh was solved by force and in Kashmir the intervention of UNO made it a. perpetual war with no solution or peace in sight.
readinglord:
of course death is the final arbiter!
but am not a fatalist…if there was a way to isolate and protect the innocent civilians and let the armies fight it out…perhaps…
political solution based on fairness for all will work better
Stop the Lie Machine…
http://www.redress.cc/palestine/slittlewood20081231
@readinglord,
how wrong you are, State of Israel is zionist and
was created in 1948 whereas Hamas, was created by
serious palestinians in late 90s, you have tried to
camoflage the agressor and protect it, this is world’s
problem, its with the agressor, whether in Kashmir
1994-2008
92.000 Kashmiri muslims exterminated
7.000 kashmiri muslims killed while in custody,
10.000 kashmirimuslimahs raped by Indian Army
20.000 kashmiri muslims disappeared from the planet.
or Bangladesh 1971
Indian Army invasion of 250.000 soldiers aided by
150.000 Mukti Bahini Indian trainedterrorists
Palestine since 1948
4 million deported
260.000 palestinina muslims exterminated by Israel
890.000 living and nazi camps, closed with a
ZIONIST WALL
you have three catogories of jails for Palestinians
jails for Palestinian kids
jails for palestinians youth
jails for Palestinian adults
brain wash and training of terrorist is normal there !
Gentlemen, do you see any power RELATIVISM ?
FORCE APPLIED ON ONLY ONE SIDE IS NOT THE SOLUTION
Asad Ali!
bravo. you reminds me rafay kashmiri
when ever i read the posts by barristerakc , readinglord and the one belong to the same clan.i feel frustrated. to me the biggest success of anti islam and anti paksitan forces is that they have produced supporters with in the paksitanis.
hmm…
@ AN APPEAL TO ALL THE MUSLIMS AND THEIR
SYMPATHIZERS NATIONS TO CANCEL ALL THE
CELEBRATIONS OF NEW YEARS FESTIVITIES
AS A PROTEST
IN RESPECT OF HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF
MURDERED AND EXTERMINATED MUSLIMS IN IRAQ,
PALESTINE, KASHMIR, AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN
THE ABOVE APPEAL IS INITIALLY APPEARED ON
PAKNEWZ.COM AND AM INSPIRED AND REPEATING
THE SAME ON THIS BLOG.
Allama Iqbal had said:\
“Burq girti he to bechaare Musalmanon par”
Why?
Because they have stopped thinking altogether or at least not objectively so.
As the Quran says,”Those who do not think are like animals; nay, worse than animals”.
And animals, excuse me, require beating.
@temporal
Btw, what a coincidence!
In the recent elections in Bangladesh the Awami League has sweeped the polls and in the West Pakistan, now called Pakistan, the PPP came out in majority. Is it not a replay of 1971, with a slight difference that whereas in Bangladesh, Hseena, the daughter of Mujiburehman, is the top leader, in Pakistan a Zardari has become a successor to the Bhutto family.
Is it not inteaguing!
@Asad Ali
Do you think (?)it is different from what Paky army and the American drones are doing in FATA?
The Americans & Pakistanis are doing good work in FATA ; lets not talk ill of our policy of getting rid fo Islamists and Talibans in FATA…
@barristerakc
Hahaha! Getting rid of Islamists in FATA is good but bad in Gaza! Why?
@readinglord,
your ” burq girti he to becharay muslamanon par ”
what about those who received mann-salva, were they spared?
why ? sorry naive question, you must read Shikwah, and
jabab-shikwah. Muslims are simply victims of being
targetted, by Kuffars and internal traitors, and sects !
is it new for you? why are you astonished ? history proves
that both the enemies will be annihilated, Inshallah.
You seemed to be only interested in eliminating muslims
in Gaza, Kashmir,and Afghanistan sitting in Hiafa gives
you plenty of confidence han !
@Asad Ali
I read Shikwah and Jawabe Shikwah dozen times during my boyhood, dear Asad. As Iqbal says ‘burq’ or lightening is a very mysterious thing. It does not fall without ‘invitation’ or ‘justification’ for its fall from the earth. Verily Islamic terrorism is inviting it to fall on the Muslims, especially of Pakistan; by military action against Bengalies in 1971,by 9/11 in USA, by Bombay attack recently, etc.,etc.; and unfortunately our media and the rulers are doing their best to welcome this burq ‘Inshaallah Maashaallah’.
OMG!
daddy!
mommy!
i found some thing.
what is it honey?
i found another secular fascist
why cant Israel use force to defend it’s citizens? if rockets are flying into your house from your enemy who lives next to you, are you going to sit down with him and have some chai and talk about his issues after you have tried many numerous times before?
what if india was flying rockets into Pakistan’s neigborhoods, what will islamabad do? complain to the U.N? all the muslims will go nuts and calling for Jihad!!! am I not right?
another ass**** secular fascist
who are these creatures?
from where these are coming….
Just answer the question doctor.
answer of the question
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm
israel killer of the infants and children
http://www.palestine-info.info/arabic/palestoday/dailynews/2006/june06/11_6/photo1/index.htm
israeli war crimes can not be blurred by islomophobia of the world
http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=1&p=49933&s2=27
is it enough or you want some more?
doctor (if you really are)
the question was “what if india was flying rockets into Pakistan’s neigborhoods, what will islamabad do?”
you totally missed that didn’t you? how can a doctor miss such a simple question?
Palestinians dying from this war is called collateral damage or what you islamic terrorist more suitingly call it “Allah’s will”
If it was not for Allah’s will, they will not die. But they died so it must be Allah’s will. Let the will of God rule the world NO?
baba,
kiss my dada
wrong question akmed.
read the report again.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm
You people are so incorrigible.
well i was being nice by using the world incorrigible. I should have called it as it is. HOPELESS.
no seriously. the crimes are much bigger and heinous and so the punishment should be exemplary and harsh.
i believe in brutal torture and killing of a jew one after other.
i believe the time will come when these coward swines will pay.
you people are so corrigible.
what we require is just a right force to teach you some lessons.
should i tell you the prediction of our prophet nabi e kareem MOHAMMED (PBUH) that every zionist will be exterminated before judegement day.
i believe zionist currently and subliminaly creating the atmosphere to justify that extermination.
“A ceasefire in the Gaza strip could be secured within days if the smuggling routes that supply arms and money to Hamas can be blocked off, Tony Blair said today as Israel moved its forces deeper into southern Gaza.”
complete utterly ruthless bullshit by one cocksucker gay asshole.
sorry for being rude but this guy Blair is one piece of big PIG shit
So much has been written about the Arab-Israel conflicts. It is almost universally accepted that this small piece of the Land on the meeting point of the two continents of Asia and Africa is the greatest flash-point in the world- the most violent, volatile and dangerous one. While at the basic level, it is a dispute between Israel and Palestinians, on a broader level it can be extended and linked to the so-called “Clash of the Civilizations” as enunciated by Huntington.
The current ongoing violence is only one more example in this long and uninterrupted series of violence, death and destruction. While it is very difficult for any definite and final stating of facts in any matter related with the Palestine-Israel conflicts because of the distortion of facts, figures and the accompanied truth in the process, what is generally accepted is that this time it was Israel which attacked the Gaza strip which has been given to the Palestinian population as a result of the Oslo agreements. It is also being believed that the Israeli army and Air force have made many brutal and damaging attacks on the Palestinian civilian population in this region in which many innocent people including even hapless women and children have lost their lives or have been severely injured. Israel, on the other hand, blames the Palestinians, particularly the Hamas for propagating incessant violence and openly proclaims that whatever Israel is doing is only in its self-defence.
As far as the world reaction is concerned, there is a extreme polarization between the two groups. There is no doubt that both Israel and Palestine have their own traditional friends and foes. Then there are others who are seen shifting their positions as per the context and circumstances. USA is the staunchest Israeli ally and the Arab world is generally pro-Palestine. As far as their condemning or protecting either of these two sides is concerned, it generally depends on the siding with two parties.
If one talks to a Palestinian, one will come to believe that there is no one worse than an Israeli in this world. He will present himself as the epitome of all the virtues and pious intentions and will call Israelis with all sorts of names. To them, the entire burden of the conflict will shift on Israel for having committed all sorts of atrocities on Palestine and its people, including taking away their land and displacing them from their beloved homeland. If, at all, Palestine is resorting to any violence, it is only as a last resort- simply to save itself. An Israeli’s opinion will be exactly the same. For him, a Palestinian will be a cheater, a thief, a mercenary, a hateful creature, a most unscrupulous person, a thug, a rogue and a spiteful chap. Again, he will present himself as a gentle, sublime, decent, ethical, aesthetic, simple and law-abiding person who has been condemned, persecuted, prosecuted and harmed for centuries.
So, which of these two groups is true- the Israeli or the Palestinians? To me it seems that the truth, like so many such cases, lies somewhere in between. In fact a general overview of the situation would let people understand that the real guilt lies in the extraneous situations and the circumstances and not with these two affected parties. While this does not mean that both these parties are holier-than-thou or have nothing to do with the hateful violence but it can be easily said that much more than their fault, it is the fault of the third parties, the external ones which has today resulted in such an anomalous and difficult situation having crept in where there is one baby with two fathers. The only practical and feasible solution is a two-nation solution, as and when it gets mutually accepted and practically implemented. It might be in the form of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip for Palestinians and the rest to Israel or in any other suitable form.
But why the conflict? The conflict arises from competing Jewish and Arab national aspirations for the same region which one of them calls and believes to be Palestine (a the land they had been living for the last thousand years or so) and the other as Israel (the mythical promised homeland of the world-wide Jews). And the real culprit are the powerful and self-seeking European Nations, Britain being in lead, who left behind so many artificial and non-ending disputes all over the places they ruled and where they created so many irregular, unwarranted and illogical barriers and boundaries that suited them. In this particular case, the British played simultaneously with these two Nationalities making conflicting promises to both in the forms of the Hussein-McMahon correspondence and the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. It was only because of this two-mouthed British policy that tensions between Arab and Jewish groups in the region erupted into physical violence resulting in so many riots. And when the British thought that the heat being generated out of this was too much for it to handle, it left the place one fine morning leaving the place to simmer and burn with intermittent volcanic eruptions since then.
In 1947, the U.N. did approve the partition of the land but the Arabs of that time underestimated Israelis resulting in the ill-fated Arab-Israel war of 1948.
Without going into any further history, I would end this Article by saying that the Arab-Israel conflict is an extremely sad, ill fated and misfortunate saga of blood and gory. Thousands of innocent people on both the sides have died, giving rise to so many heroes and villains on both sides of border.
But who is the real enemy- once it was Britain and today, it is both of them who are still behaving like the illegitimate fratricidal children of Britain. And what is the way out? The only way out is peaceful, mutual coexistence, without going into the detailed analysis of who did what and who is responsible for what putrid acts. Because getting down to that is like opening a Pandora’s box where there would be no ending to accusations and counter-accusations. So, peace would reign in this region, as and when it finally does, only when they both realize that they don’t have the capacity to exterminate the other and will go on to exist in each-other’s neighbourhood. So why not say enough is enough and accept the other side, even with complete distaste.
Dr Nutan Thakur,
Editor,
Nutan Satta Pravah,
Lucknow
@temporal
You say:
“but am not a fatalist…if there was a way to isolate and protect the innocent civilians and let the armies fight it out…perhaps…”
Certainly there was a time when they fought out their wars in battle grounds like Palaasi in India. But we have become more civilized now. We do find solution of our conflicts even if it requires using of nuclear bombs and other mass destruction weapons. America claim to have put an end to the second World War thus.
@readinglord!
completely agreed.
we can solve this problem by using nukes against israel.
i think israel deserve that.
A correctio in my previous post:
Please read ‘Panipat’ instead of ‘Plaasi’ in the 4th line.
It is Panipat where three decisive battles for India were fought and it was again being talked about after Mumbai attack.
@dr.jawwadkhan
You have agreed with me at last but who will bell the cat. The only so called Islamic State, having Islamic nuke, which is presently threatened to be run over by Taliban, cannot perhaps dare even to think of it. Israel may however be thinking of dropping a nuke on the Satans’ Trio in order to solve the problem for ever.
it can be done through islamic revolution i believe that revolution in pakistan is inevitable.
yes israel can do that but i wonder what will be the explanation to the world for dropping the nukes????
that “we were tired of killing the helpless and poor women and children in dozens?????ahahahah
i also believe that the war crimes committed by israel are appaling so the punishment should also be harsh.
also i believe that qadiyanis should also be given the rightful share in the harsh punishment when time come to destroy the israel.
No No No Israel should drop the bombs on Iran and Pakistan…….And I’m sure the world would let go a big breath of sigh and say finally some PEACE upon this earth.
But if the world insist on asking Israel why? Israel should respond “Well we wanted to do a big favor for our muslim brothers and speed up their journey to martyrdom so they can enjoy their 77 virgins sooner rather than later”
@Qadiyani
Very good rebuff to the fake dr.. But the dr. and his ilk are all hypocrites. They actually don’t believe in what they say, otherwise they would have all praised Israel which is sending Palestinians to heaven when the Hamas people send Israelis to hell in return. The real tragedy is that these people can’t think and feel as rational human beings.
@readinglord!
@qadiyani!
did you both realized that you are a monkey shit involved in monkey business.
dont worry about my degree.i can prove that i am a real doctor. lower your filthy pants and i give you my special injection i call it “LOLOMYCINE”.i assure that your burning piggy asses will be cool down in just a one shot.
the SON OF A ***** mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani was very fond of LOLOMYCINE.
@readinglord!
@qadiyani!
both are the pathetic and hopeless scumbags.
these two character are the worst of it’s kind. you know why????
because these two do not have country, no identity , no solid faith , they have religion based on lies and deception.
these characters earn their hogwash only by asslicking and blowjobs of their masters.
how pathetic and nauscious!!!!!!!
@dr.
He must be a ‘dungar doctor’. But is there none to check his mad ‘dangarpana’?