Ever since the afternoon of the faithful day when in between the intense fighting at the Lal Masjid, the Pakistan Army victoriously announced the death of the head militant of Lal Masjid Maulana Ghazi Abdul Rashid. Watching the news reports come through on all news channels I did notice that everyone was refraining to tag his death as a Shahdat. For many non-Muslims reading this article, it might seem to be a trivial issue but to a Muslim it means a world of a difference. A simple naming terminology is of no consequence to the soul in this world but it means a phenomenal difference in life-here-after. Quite simply its a decision to be made by Allah for him on the day of the Judgment.
A shaheed is a title that is given to a Muslim after his death, if he died during the fulfillment of a religious commandment. For a moment lets forget the political issues surrounding the crisis, coming to the root of the issue it was Ghazi Abdul Rashid who was defending the integrity of Islam challenging the ineffectiveness of the government in implementing the sharia law hence allowing a progressive degradation of our society. Without doubt Right or Wrong Maulana Shazi Abdul Rashid was defending his place of worship and was fulfilling his religious duties in this process.
Shaheed is a title for a Muslim when he dies for Islam While on the other hand the aggressors (Pakistan Army) were overwhelmingly attacking the mosque to the extent of destroying a large portion of the property throughout the compound. Hence can easily be labeled as aggressors against Islam, which is probably the highest crime for a Muslim. The jawans may be following order but it must be remembered that if one of the jawans were to loose his life in battle against Islam cannot be labeled as a Shaheed simply because he was a Muslim.
I share with you an interesting email I received by Mr. M Javed Iqbal who portrays a very compelling argument, which actually also got me thinking about this important issue. I quote…
During the attack on Lal Masjid and Madarsah Hafsa a question that was repeatedly raised was ‘ Who is “Shaheed” and who is “Halak”.’
In my opinion the distinction is crystal clear. The mistake and mischief lies with the initiator. Who started knocking down masajid in the capital of Islamic Republic of Pakistan? If I am traveling and somebody open fires on me, I have a right to defend myself and fire back at him. Therefore we must understand that what Ghazi brothers did was in self defence. The pity is Mullahs of the country have been corrupted by Musharraf by offering nice salaries and perks to them, hence they failed to point out that the sanctity of a masjid was to be safeguarded at all costs. No Muslim can dare attack a masjid, because it is Allah house.
Accordingly security forces, army men and rangers who attacked Lal Masjid are jahunumi and the fighters of Lal Masjid are shuhdaa and shall Insha Allah Will be rewarded with Paradise. Each officer or jawan must have refused to obey illegal order of attacking a masjid. They could say: “Look sir ! we joined the army to protect the Masajid and save women and children, not for destroying and killing them”.
Since they gave preference to order of the officer over Order of Allah, they are mahluk and jahanumi.
The brave fight back of Ghazi Abdul Rashid is an eye opener. When most of the Mullas just talked he challenged the illegal and immoral acts of Musharraf regime of knocking down 90 year old masajid of Islamabad and kept fighting for the cause till death. On such noble death Mir has said:
Marge Majnun pe aqal gum hai Mir Most Mullas could not see this fine line and remained indifferent, although they could have raised hue and cry against desecration of masajid. We should not forget that Quran says “Allah is Most Powerful and Revengeful” Every party can see his image in this mirror!
Kiya Diwane ne maut pai hai !
Considering the issue, I feel convinced that the sad demise of Ghazi Abdul Rashid should be labeled as a Shaheed and full respect offered to the body in regards to its proper dignified burial. I would hold the Pakistani Army responsible to the extent of disobeying the Islamic Law to which they all have sworn to uphold.
He died defending the religion of Islam against the evil forces.
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1,044 responses to “Shaheed or Halak ? – Ghazi Abdul Rashid”
i have no comments on this issue doc. i am literally tongue tied.
I remember when I used to hear the song…”pakistani fauj kai jawaan hain ham, har gharee tayyar kamraan hain hamm….” when I was a kid and I wanted to join the AirForce so bad, but I had weak eyesight and my dream didn’t come true.
Now I thank Allah I didn’t join Pak Air Force, other wise I would be just obeying TAGHOOT….
Where are those Jawans who would make us proud of Pakistan Army again, I’m sure there are some gems under the dirty of Corrupt Generals.
So you respect the masjid even if it is illegal and based on fitna ? No way! We have an example from the life of our Holy Prophet (PBUH), where he razed a mosque (Masjid e Zarrar I think) where munafiqeen used to stay and plan their mischief.
I don’t brand him a shaheed … no way.
Dr. Awab, you disappoint me. Your constant anti-government stand is irritating.
Tell me, do you support building a mosque and madrassa on illegally occupied land? Please read my last post on my blog regarding this issue about how a mosque (Masjid Zarrar) was demolished in the era of Prophet (PBUH) with his express permission and the reason for it.
After reading it, tell me if you deny the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) just to further your dislike of the current government?
The link is:
http://www.asadasif.com/?itemid=108
Asad & Raza,
To me this issue is NOT about a masjid, but a stand against the rampant degrading morals of our society. To me it has been that ever since. I don’t proclaim that they DID the right thing, I have categorically repeated that even a number of times in my previous posts. I said the ‘way he did it is wrong’ and even stated that Musharraf was forced to take this step to attack the militants. Mosques to are just a wall of bricks they are not what beholds our religion of Islam, its far more then a stone wall.
But the point of this post is to raise a perfectly valid question, to decide if one man’s enemy is another man Freedom Fighter. Its how you look at the argument that one chooses the point of view.
To me Ghazi Brothers took a very valid argument – ‘degrading morals of our society’. They hollered, they screamed, they like many of our MMA Maulvis felt the only way to create change is to force it. Wrong it may be, but after all that is the way many scholars have predicted since long, that the only way they will enforce a true Islamic State is through a bloody revolution. I being a liberal am against it but the issue must be addressed rather then shoved under the carpet.
Though I must concede in light of both of your arguments I might take a slight step back on the Shahdat label, but the argument does stand.
After what has been happening in Islamabad for the past 6 months, if all you can bother to argue about is who is “shaheed” and who isnt, you should be the poster boys of the ignorance and intolerance that these types of people represent.
One more time govt failed to handle the situation successfully.
Ghazi brothers opted for a wrong solution for a right and just problem. I think the issue could be settled easily if Govt. accepted their demands of implementation of sharia in Islamic Republic of Pakistan, remained stick to their agreement. The faith in Govt. promises was badly shaken when they didn’t comply to their promises of rebuilding the demolished masjids ( if illegal property was the issue then Govt should atleast started the rebuilding of masjids on legitimate properperties ,not all the of the demolished masjids were on illegal property).
If Govt. accepted these demands, it would left no room for Ghazi borthers to continue their protest. But this issue was let loose , letting it to get prepared for mournful week of july.
Then again during the negotiations, at the last moment the whole situation took a complete U turn, followed by the the shahadat of moulana abdur-rasheed ghazi.
several sources are raising the question that , if Nawaz Shareef , Benazir ,Zardari, Murtaza Bhutto, and several other criminals are freed from their criminal charges and offered a safe exit from this country , then why the Govt. is not willing to leave rasheed ghazi. And keeping in view the human rights, why didn’t he captured alive. does all alleged terrorists are subject to shoot at sight? Now who is abusing the law. if someone is criminal , he/she should have a trial in court and not on the streets. Furthermore, absence of media made the govt.’s point of view highly non-reliable. The humiliation of abdul-aziz during burqa presentation also shows the how high does the dictators hold the moral values.
Same as others , i too , condemn the strategy adopted by Ghazi Brothers , but their cause was no doubt a justified one.
One thing is that, there are several illegitimate properties in almost every corner of pakistan, and mostly the upper class has benefited from this mafia. WHY aren’t they handled with the same might as those of the masjids that were demolished being on illegitimate property. WHY we have double standards of dealing, for those who are in Power or have influence and for those who don’t enjoy such benefits. WHY still the brothels are kept functioning ??
totally agreed with faraz why their is double standard…Altaf (they murdered 40 people on the streets of karachi, did not allow CJ to leave the airport, in other words challanged the writ of the government yet not even an inquiry and a pat on the back by our president
liberals who always criticize religious parties for their suppoort of Zias dictatorial rule (rightly so) but support the current dictator in total disregard to the fact that he violated the contitution
Another Sad day In Troubled chequred History of our country.
I feel Ghazi and His Followers just fell in the trap set for them. It really amazes that how all this could just go on right under the noses of agencies. It would have been so much easier for the Govt to have Ghazi missing from the outset when the issue first broke.
As long as he was serving the purpose of Musharraf (U all Know what I mean) it was Ok.
But when the deed was done. It was time to Dispose him.
Shameful
Allah He Hafiz
@Raza: Prophet(SAW) doesn’t exist anymore and that order was given to Prophet(saw) only and that was pretty exceptional case. Don’t compare it with illegal construction otherwise you sound no different than MMA people who torn the pages of new bill which had name of Allah and they also gave same lame reason of their own filth. Nobody asked you to give fatwa who is shaheed or not.
@Asif: if awab’s constant anti govt rants irritate you than your constant trolling irritate others as well. You keep whining about “Illegal mosque” while the entire Islamabad is a frikkin illegal state. Go and do your homework first before you come out of your room and rant.
ghazi is saheed or not, Allah knows but when I saw his picture today on INternet, he would be burried in his own dress rather typical kaffan and what I have read in papers that Shaheeds are burried in same dress in which they fight and die because they will lift up in same dress and would be presented infront of Allah. So what Allah decides for him, Allah knows the best but so far it seems Allah wants him to appear as Shaheed for the people of this world. Rest, Allah knows the best.
@ Siddiqi: Interesting how you butt into the conversation when even Awab conceded the specific point I was trying to make regarding religion not being bound to a building.
I fully agree with the point that while Abdul Rasheed’s intentions might have been good (not sure about that since only Allah knows the entire truth), his actions were anything but.
Most Pakistanis have an irrational reaction to religion where everything is OK so long as the label “Islamic” is tacked on top of it. I won’t be surprised when some random Mullah says that rape is “Islamic” (may God forgive me for saying this) and the hyper crowds give such a person a standing ovation.
As far as social morals are concerned, how about the men here stop eyeing women passing by in public places as if they were some piece of meat which they are evaluating. That would be a first step towards improving social morals. After all, ‘honesty starts at home’!
And FTR, I was not aware your trolling on ATP extended to other blogs as well. Then again, you are just an amusing nuisance so keep up my amusement.
Urdu is a frustrating language, probably one of the few in the world where you can be ‘aap’ ‘tum’ or ‘tu’ to me, in descending order of respect. While such subtle nuances are great for poetry, I think it fails when it comes to unbiased reporting and scientific text. This is probably a big contributing factor to our failure as a nation in general. When I was a teenager, I used to hear the news about the pakistani ‘shaheeds’ and the indian ‘halaaks’ at 9PM everyday, and while General Zia made sure that the 10 year old kids loved their army and continued doing so when they grow up (anyone remember the urdu textbooks with biographies of the nishan-e-haiders), I was fortunate enough to have access to a library and do some independent thinking, and such things have been bothering me ever since.
We have been trained in the last couple of decades to worship heroes, black and white classification of everything into good/bad evil/holy.
I wish we had a mother tongue where my brother, father, friend and grandfather were all addressed as ‘you’, everyone ‘died’ and there were was a ‘President’ instead of ‘Janab Sadar Pervaiz Musharraf Sahab’.
(Uh, I’ve strayed offtopic, but have already ranted enough here about this, so won’t repeat myself (much) again.
Sorry about the typos, I should be sleeping right now 😐
It is all unfortunate. However, the sight of fully veiled girl ‘students’ wielding lathis and dandas hardly did any good for the image of Islam and Muslims in the world.
So what did you want Indscribe, UN-veiled girls wielding lathis, or veiled girls not wielding lathis? Please be specific. This issue seems to be at the top of your concerns right now.
Let us not give a crap about our image in the eyes of the non-muslims, its obvious we won’t be converting millions of Jews and Christians to Islam any time soon. Let us instead be more concerned about our image in the eyes of god.
Now I’m wishing I was born in Iran, atleast they have balls.
(lets see if anyone notices the small ‘g’ and starts the god vs. God vs. Allah argument)
Asif, ignorance was always used as an excused by psuedo liberals like you. Awab is not my god that i gotta agree what he talks about. When you come up with a weak argument about illegal mosque then I just laugh at your ignorance. U should do some homework before you poke your nose on public forums. Masjid Ameer Hamza(RA) was a century old masjid and it was LEGAL according to CDA documents and it was mentioned several times in papers and programs but it was just demolished because it was being an obstacle in VVIP movement.
if exposing filth of pseudo enlightened like you is trolling then it’s very necessary these days. Go and hide yourself!
@Adnan
Why is the order an exceptional case ? Isn’t everything the Prophet does Sunnah? or did he explicitly tell us not to demolish mosques other than that particular instant?! His actions demonstrate that any mosque that harbours illegal activities and/or is based on illegal property is liable to be demolished. I am in no way defending the razing of other mosques which were legal, as you say. The whole argument about Ghazi and his antics inside Lal Masjid and why he is no shaheed.
Raza, instead of learning Islam from news channel, I would recommend you to read books then comment.
Regarding what is legal or what not, i already mentioned above. Also, your shaheed argument is baseless without any solid argument.
Which illegal activities? If stopping aunty shamim from doing filthy business is illegal then you should set one next to your door. Don’t give such argument which you can’t defend. Regardless of who is wrong or right, I do support their or anyones action against the filth of society, someone has to come forward to stop them.
Your govt claimed for mines,suicide bombers etc etc while we didn’t see anything like that. Neither any women was used as sheilf. What all I read by Ansar Abbasi that a resident of area found deadbodies of women and kids in a Nullah.What I saw that NaPak Army jawans were in masjid with boots. If I had turned the voice off then it would be different to compare whether I am watching some news about Iraq or Pakistan.
Go and read Dr Shahid’s article in todays Jang. It *might help you to come out from ignorance
As far as ghazi is concerned, he was shahed or not, was muslim or non-mulsim but he was sure man of his words. Something which even opponents of ghazi now admitting. while pervaiz on other hand is such a phatto that he bows infront of NATO when they attack within Border.
and again i say that nobody cares what you think whether one is shaheed or not while one could read Quran and Hadith himself. Go and read concerned books first then come and give your opinion.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Think again. Allah does not even use the word “shaheed” to mean “martyr”. Allah uses the word to mean “witness”. Allah Himself is a witness/shaheed (verse 4:79). Everyone, check out the usage of the word “shaheed” in the Quran.
Dr. Awab wrote:
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Think again. Allah does not even use the word “shaheed” to mean “martyr”. Allah uses the word to mean “witness”. Allah Himself is a witness/shaheed (verse 4:79). Everyone, check out the usage of the word “shaheed” in the Quran.
From my standpoint, Ghazi was creating fasaad in the land. He was trying to countermand the rule of law, and create a fitna, regardless of his intentions. He is a faasiq. End of story. The soldiers who died trying to eradicate this fasaad/fitnah are the shuhuda.
Siddiqi, you are in denial despite my pointing out an example from the life of Holy Prophet (PBUH). By doing this, do you still consider yourself a Muslim?
Over the months, you seem to have developed some animosity towards me and my logically defended views. 😀
Awab is nobody’s god but he is a respected member of the Pakistani blogosphere. What I was trying to do was to build a consensus of sorts at a small level where people present their views and try to convince others, with reason, to share a viewpoint. Nonetheless, what I did was just point out a little fact. Since it contradicts your thinking, Sunnah became unacceptable to you and you started whining, as is the usual case.
You tell Raza to read books. I ask you to read just the Quran and the Sahih Hadith books like Saheeh Bukhari and come back. If you truly understand them, you will be singing an entirely different tune then.
You say that Aunty Shamim did “filthy business”. Do you have any proof of this? Perhaps personal testimony? If mob opinion was factual proof, justice would be a dish best not served.
Ultimately, arguing with you has proven to be futile on numerous occasions in the past and I don’t intend to bow down to your whims and ideals, not now, nor any time in the future. As I have said numerous times before, the best we can do (and that is saying something) is to agree to disagree. Don’t expect me to reply to any more of your “same old” comments unless you post something of worth.
GHAZI ABDUL RASHEED IS SHAHEED coz He died only and only to impose sharia in pak.We say pak is an islamic state.Where is islam in it. Is it in heera mandi lahore.Is it in Chinese massage center r in the home of sick shameem. Is it in faisalabad where two girls marry. We r muslims just by name.F we see our whole system is like that of west.Look at the programes of PTV,ATV & many other paki Channels.Plz dont destroy ur Faiths by talking against the Great Aalims like ghazi sahib.
NOOR-E-KHUDA HAI KUFR KI HARKUT PE KHANDAZAN
PHONKO SE YE CHIRAGH BUJAYA NA JAY GA
ISLAM ZINDA BAAD
Asad, don’t change topic and answer my two questions.
1)if a state was established illegally and if we apply your moral rule of land grabbing then would you endorse to destroy such state.
2)what if a legal building is demolished. is it good? The masjid Hamza(RA) was a century old and it was demolished because it was disturbing VVIP movement. I am not from ISB but i heared it was near some CLUB road and it used to disturb ministers and president as they consider every namazi a terrorist.
Anwer them if you can otherwise don’t respond me and make yourself fool further.
regarding Aunty, go to concerned sectors and asked them. One of my office branch is in ISB and colleagues told me that aunty was influencial and DID run a brothel. For proof go to concerned thana you would get proof yourself.
you speak about proof, your dictator demolished a legal masjid and you didn’t bother to find out truth. There were no proofs about sucide bombers in madarssah hafsa, did u ask govt to give proof ? you just accepted them. Were women in madrassah used as sheilds? offcourse not and these are not my words, all news resources refuted govt claims, even Ejazul Haq admitted it. So don’t use things for your own interest, if you think you re credible then demonstrate it as well. don’t ask others to do somethngs which you ain’t cable yourself.
p.s: AWab is like my friend *nuff said*
p.p.s: Do answer my two questions otherwise don’t expect me to answer you.
Fahad, the “Quranist”, whatever the word is used by God, you understood what I wanted to say. Nobody is arguing whether shaheed is some arabic word,urdu or it does exist in Quran or not. Since the word is commonly used for certain kind of people who dies for certain cause, this is why all were using urdu wala shaheed here.
An mediocre article written by an equally mediocre person. Oversimplification is a dangerous fallacy and one should avoid that.
What the article is trying to say that an agressor is always at fault. Well what happend in the Battle of Badr? The Muslims went after the caravan of Abu Sufyan – The Meccans came to defend it. So?????????????????
Ghazi and Co. attacked businesses, and occupied a childrens library. Also the property of Jamia Hafsa was encroached upon. The army came to remove them.
Not that simple is it?
My religious knowledge is very limited, so I’ve been reading up on anything relevant that I could find on the question that is on every Pakistani’s mind these days to form an informed opinion.
I heard the concept of Dar-ul-Harb vs. Dar-ul-Islam being mentioned by the Lal Masjid people in many articles/interviews, and stumbled upon this illuminating and very relevant article a few minutes ago.
Please do read the complete article, titled A Muslim’s Nationality and His Belief
I’m accepting the conclusions I made from this article, i.e. Pakistan is Dar-ul-Harb, and that the ‘Burqa Brigade’ was/is right.
If anyone can ENLIGHTEN with a counter-argument, I’d be glad to change my point of view and convert to the ‘Sub say pehlay Pakistan’ camp.
Siddiqi:
1 – Depends upon a lot of factors.
2 – I have no problem if it was legally built. Nice try at changing the topic. A very Jewish tactic, if I say so myself. We are talking about Jamia Hifsa which was illegally built, an extension to Lal Masjid, not Masjid Hamza here.
LOL! I knew you were believing on here-say regarding Aunty Shamim… Meri khala kay chachay kay susar ki saas ka tai kay putar nay kaha tha… Now that’s credible! I am not one to believe “guilty until proven innocent”. There are courts and legal procedure. If that was not working, media was there to specifically highlight this thing. No peaceful means were used. Instead, the Lal Masjid terrorists kidnapped her and her family members. You again say “I heard”, which is doubtful at best regarding the place of the Hamza Mosque.
Consider you statement “you speak about proof, your dictator demolished a legal masjid and you didnt bother to find out truth”. You say that Musharraf was responsible for this when the entire responsibility lies with CDA. It was CDA who tried to demolish the mosque, not Musharraf himself. City authorities do not need permission from the President to make decisions to manage the city. Does the city authority in Karachi calls on Musharraf each day to get permission for making bridges, opening drains, making water cleaning facilities, enhancing the sewerage system or similar other things? If not, then why do you think that CDA needs permission from Musharraf for everything?
CDA has been brought to court multiple times before by various people/groups and these groups have won many a time. Couldn’t the people who protested violently and raised havoc just file a case with the SC? It probably didn’t agree with their emotionally charged and disabled thinking regarding Islam.
The government is not a bunch of angels. However, it is very convenient to blame them to absolve yourself of guilt and responsibility. If everything is a responsibility of the government, what are we as the citizens of the country doing? Expecting a free lunch ?
PPS: I would not be honoured, nor will I feel insulted in any way if you answer with your meagre excuses again. To you the world is black and white when instead to me, it is in shades of grey.
Blaming is easy. Taking responsibility and stepping forward is the difficult path and we Pakistanis are known to take the easier path on numerous occasions. You just proved this.
The intentions of such people are also exposed in the “masjid zaraar verse:
9/107: and they swear “our intentions are good. While God bears witness that they are liars indeed.
Asad Asif wrote:
I agree. Most people do not use their senses to confirm if what is being called as “islamic or “quranic is really so. Hence their behavior is worse than that of cattle:
7/179: Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).
25/44: Or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle;- nay, they are worse astray in Path.
Dr. Awab wrote:
Ghazi Abdul Rasheed was a criminal like others with him, and he should be treated as such. He should be buried like his fellow criminals have been buried without receiving any special treatment. Or, the bigger the criminal, the better his treatment?
Dr. Awab wrote:
Mufsideen like Ghazi Abdul Rasheed do not even believe in the God and the hereafter:
2/8: Of the people there are some who say: “We believe in God and the Last Day;” but they do not (really) believe.
2/9: Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
2/10: In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
2/11: When it is said to them: “Make not mischief on the earth,” they say: “Why, we only want to make peace!”
2/12: Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.
Just because they claim to believe in God and the hereafter does not make them believers. Their behavior is exposed in the Quran as that of mufsideen/mischief-makers. It is against such kafireen that God has commanded to fight.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Read my last post to see the cause such people die for.
abdur rashid gazi is shaheed.his shahdat will bring islamic inqilab.
Farhad
You sound like your ‘nabi’ Qadiani…. just manipulating Quran.
For that Masid which was ordered to be destroyed was built by ‘Yahud’ in order to divide the Muslims.
First of all that Masjid wasn’t destroyed out of love of KUFFAR.
It wasn’t destroyed because the builders of the Masjid were demanding for shariat.
It wasn’t destroyed because the builders of the Masjid were asking the ruler to follow Islam.
IT wasn’t destroyed so that porn would prevail.
Where as Lal Masjid was destroyed Just to earn $$$ from Kuffar.
i feel whatever happen is good for muslims, because know we are in the position to identify the hypocrates. these hypocrates are the biggest danger for islam atleast we can identify them, qatal hussain asal main marg e yazeed hey….. islam zinda hota hey har karbala key bad…
toaday i saw tears in my eyes while reading the article by Dr Shahid Masood on the lal masjid issue , after reading that i pray from Allaha that aey Allaha give respect to muslims and make them power over whole world as u promised.I know Allaha will listen me and the hypocrates like musharaff will be taken into justice.yes we are the moderate muslims .. yes we wanted to be free.. we need democracy… freedom to live
i can only say shame shame pakistan army.abdul rasheed ghazi insha allah ham tairay khoon ka badla zaroor lain gay insha allah
ab islami inqalaab zaida door naheen hai.sab loag apnay aap ko theek karain ore ghazi sahib kee tarah maidan e ammal main uttar jaen.ghazi sahib to 7 allah kay gharoan yani masajid kee doobara taameer ka mutalba kartay thay jinhain cda nay shaheed kar diya tha.woh to badkaaree kay adday khatam karnay ka mutalba kartay thay?kya yahee qasoor tha unka?woh to aimaan kay pehlay darjay par thay kay buraee ko haath say roaknay kee koshish kee.
ghazi sahib kee shahadat nay karbala kee yaad taaza kar dee.hazrat imam hussein nay beeh to yazeed kay aagay sar naheen jhukaya tha ore shahadat ko tarjeeh dee thee ore ghazi sahib nay beeh yahee kiyya ore unkay saathyoan nay beeh shahadat ko tarjeeh dee.hamaree pakistan army bayghairat army hai jis say kafroan say to lara nahenn jata ore apnay loagoan par goalee chalnay main shair hai.
Asad, that’s called actually TROLLING and IGNORANCE which you leftists also demonstrate.
When you have no idea how the all fuss got started then there is no point to argue with a person with no knowledge. Nobody changed topic. All fuss got started when seven masjids were demloished by Mush officials and Masjid Hamza was ONE of them which was legal. I advised you earlier go and maek a read and don’t fool out of yourself by participating withot knowledge.
Speaking of Aunty Shamim, Those BHANJAYS of aunty who are worried that people badmouthing their aunty,they should read this report. Aunty WAS involved in dirty things:
tinyurl.com/2ax4bv
alternative link:
http://kadnan.googlepages.com/jang.gif
But I know bhanjays like will keep cryin about it.
Now keep trolling kid by coming up lame arguments. Just remember that truth never lies and I know after the end of musharraf, all of your little things would hide in some bin. Tata
Muhajir,
You sound unable to back what you just wrote.
Like all human beings, Muslims are also of two kinds (I would like to write in roman Urdu) “Baa Shaoor” and “Bay Shaoor”. Instead of going in detail i would simply put few questions which will give all my readers a lime light.
1. When the dead body of holy prophet was waiting for funeral, there were two kinds of muslims. One who were holding Shoorah to decide who would be the Caliph now. They gave priority to decide the government instead of completing prophet’s (pbuh)funeral first (Their identity is that they are still after government all the time). Others for whom prophet (pbuh) was important completed funeral and did not care for government snaching. (Both the parties were Kalmah Goh)
2. In Karbalah there were two kinds of Muslims. One who were killing innocent prophet’s (pbuh)family. Others who were being martyred. (Both were Kalmah Goh)
2. After the death of holy prophet Muslims immediately divided in two groups who were so opposite to each other that they fought a battle even (Jange Saffeen). There is no reason in the world to declare two opponents correct at a time but Mullahs claim that both were right because both were Kalmah Goh.
So if your criteria is also to support people on the basis of only reciting Kalmah, you decide in which group you are, Baa shaoor or Bay shaoor.
Any body who try to hide this my mail keep in mind that these are the questions Muslims will be asked at the day of Judgement. Its always better to be prepared before someone ask you a question.
In Qura’an it is written that MOhammad(PBUH) was asked to lead and pray in masjid e zarrar. Wahee revealed that the only reason mosque was built was to create prejudice(inteshaar)against muslims and that Moahmmad(PBUH) should destroy masjid e zarrar. And so it was done…
Nowadays all the mosques in the world are practicing prejudice against each other. Are they not similar to Masjid e zarrar?
degrading morals of our society – Does any one care to know “WHY” he took this stance NOW? Was it not the same TWO years ago? Where was he back then?
Reason is simple, HE feared his MADRASSAH was built on GOVERNMENT land too, illegal for him so he starts the whole thing… Someone said he was man of his words, please proof this. Was he not the one who talked about KHUDKUSH HAMLE as aakhri harba against Government if Government’s aakhri harba was OPERATION?
I do feel sad for the lost of innocent lives inside, the women and children that is not Rashid Ghazi or other armed men inside. Rashid Ghazi was only doing this for his ‘OWN’, no one else or the country.
This same place has been used for ‘extremist’ activities in the past with support of the intelligence agencies against another sect.
Dear Teeth Maestro ,Raza and Asad who is funafiq u and we all know, a munafiq can not b a person who speak out for islam, Allah and shariat and not only speak they proved by fight till death, than open ur eyes for difference of munafqeen…munafiq is our gov and munafiq is our President Musharaf not those people who prefered death rather living in no-muslim counrty which was made in the name of Allah and making laws agaist Islam and quarnic laws.
Answer me y gov is not implementing shariah law??
Ghazi abdul Rashid and his companions all are shaheed and all amry guys are halak ther is no doubt about it……..
Dear ‘teeth maestro’, please allow me to congratulate you on your stance about the issue at hand. It is indeed comforting to be in the company of those whose viewpoint we share.
The July 10 massacre at Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafza at the hands of Pak Army has left me so badly scarred emotionally that I might never completely recover. In the profession I was trained – medicine – death and its many faces is no stranger to me. A Psychiatrist and avid reader of human nature, Im also all too familiar with the violence man, the most territorial of species, is capable of unleashing on its own kind when he wants to assert his power. But nothing I was trained for or nothing I read could have prepared me for what unfolded on 10 July, 2007 on my TV screen.
I sat stunned and totally numb as image after image hammered on my retina the devastation let loose on structures built in Allahs name where children and women in the thousands had been reported to be confined. Many of these women and children had been rendered orphans in the earthquake that had shaken the very foundations of this country a handful of months ago.
This time around however, it wasnt nature that let loose its fury upon helpless humans. This time it was the uniformed henchmen of a dictator whose mercilessness annihilated more than the brick and mortar of Gods house. It killed more than a thousand women and children besides murdering hundreds of rasikh-ul-aqeeda momineen whose methods even I did not agree with but whose struggle was for a cause only an infidel would refute.
I for one have never been too fond of the mullahs of this country and their ranting about establishing an Islamic state in Pakistan. They, in my view, were, are and will forevermore be all ineffective and weak. Their ineffectiveness has led the common man to be weary of them and eventually be weary of Islam.
And then I sat through the live transmission of the week long siege of the seminary in Islamabad. I saw and heard its firebrand naib-khateeb, Abdul Rasheed Ghazi who looked and sounded nothing like a typical molvi one prefers to run a mile from. He was forceful in elocution but wasnt scary like his counterparts who menacingly spew warnings of doomsday scenario of every kind. Abdul Rasheed Ghazi exuded a charm that bordered on the charismatic. It was clear even to a casual observer that he truly believed in what he said and that his charisma made his belief in his struggle very infectious.
I have for the longest time not been a practicing Musalman in any sense of the word practicing. In particular its been almost a decade that I havent said my prayers. So on the eventful morning of July 10, when at 4:00 am death started to loom large over the ill-fated mosque and madrisah, and I spread the prayer mat and cried buckets in the sajda, I knew Ghazi sahib had passed on his infection to me through the airwaves. I know deep inside that I believed in what he believed.
As I prayed hard to Allah, I knew death will not rest until it had taken its toll on the occupants of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafza. I knew it the moment the jaiyalay jwan of the glorious Pak army stormed the masjids compound at the heels of 200 earth shattering blasts. I knew it was futile to pray for the safety of the stranded children, women and men. They had clearly been marked for death. So I prayed hard that Allah grant them the courage to fight hard as they could, that when they died, Allah eased for them the pain of death and that once dead, Allah raised their darajat of shahdat.
And as I prayed for the unfortunate souls facing the might of an army formidable only to its own citizens, I felt I somehow became connected to them. Every bead of rosary I counted in prayer, joined me in a bond with the thousands that were fighting not for their lives, but for the glory of death. I felt I lived a thousand lives that day. I believe I died a thousand deaths that night.
I have read the many responses on this forum and am not surprised at the way liberal extremists here have lanced at Ghazi sahab. The hot arguments of firebrand believers seldom melt the cold intellect of the left wing secularists. Ghazi sahib must have realized that towards the end himself. Few out there really believed in his cause. The people of Pakistan today worship idolaters of Bollywood. Allah and his deen are no longer a part of their equation evident from the scores of responses on TV that day. Media took on the role of the negotiator whose reporters diligently kept trying to talk him into giving up the men and women we all now know he was never holding as hostages [http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=8972]. Even when he told them his mother had been shot and that he could see her breathing her last, no reporter implored those running amuck in the echelons of power to show some mercy. The blood thirsty army dictator wanted to rid himself of Islamaists who were a threat to the soft image of his Pakistan and to his enlightened moderation. The government functionaries, the rubber stamps of the dictator, ran like messenger boys between the mosque and the GHQ trying to negotiate a deal no one really wanted to go through. The ulema fought over the custody of the ruins of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafza. Ejaz ul Haq broke into sweat when invited to go into the madrasha he today weeps over. Sherpao, the PPP secular liberalist fought hard to sanction the bloody operation for which he had full support of the MQM. Here, on this forum I see all these people represented. The people have spoken. Operation Silence is long since over. The silence of the shaheed is no less than deafening.
Those of you who think Musharraf is not directly responsible for the heinous crime he has committed against thousands of children and women; I have only one thing to say. When you tread upon the constitution of your country and stage a coup against a democratically elected government, when you amend the constitution time And time again to perpetuate your reign of terror, when you side with terrorists like the MQM, call them allies and justify their terrorism as a show of force, when you brand Islamsits as terrorists and have them murdered in the house of god then you ARE responsible for unleashing violence on your kind. You are to whom the buck stops with.
I read with bafflement responses on this forum with regards to “mosques constructed on illegally occupied land [Asad, Raza]. Wow! In a country where whole islands are being forcefully evicted of their inhabitants and allocated to building holiday resorts or high-rise buildings, a few hundred yards of land taken over to build a place of worship or Islamic learning is scorned upon by your lot. In a country where thousands of acres of land is allocated to non-Muslims right smack in the middle of a bustling metropolis for the token money of rupee 1 [the Aga Khan Hospital, Karachi] a few hundred yards of land taken over to build a place of worship is scorned upon by your lot. In a country where the army grabs hold of land at will [Military Incorporated by Dr. Ayesha Siddiqua] to build lavish housing schemes for army men, a few hundred yards of land taken over to build a place of worship is scorned upon by your lot.
Legality of a mosque in a country where the very legality of the government in power is questionable bears little weight. ‘The New Land Mafia’ by Abdul Naeem, August 31, 2004, is an article that looks into the armys land grabbing exploits, a page that has now been removed by the sites owner for reasons we all understand, a page that is now accessible through its cashed document on google through the following link: [The New Land Mafia @ Chowk.com via Google Cache] Read how the army is using torture and brutal force all over the country for owners of pricy land to hand the land over to them.
I thank you [phir s] for giving voice to my thoughts so beautifully. I thank you [Adnan Siddiqui] for your thoughts echo my own. And I thank you [ReallyVirtual] for the link to the article A Muslims Nationality and His Belief. It is an eye opener. It says it in so many words what Abdul Rasheed Ghazi shed his blood to reiterate. I am not surprised that none of the trolls busy engaging us in worthless debates have actually bothered to remark on the position this article takes because none of them would be able to defend their liberal extremist ideology against the article without crossing the line that separates us from the infidels.
An eye for and eye, so says Allah. And justice will have to be served one day. Justice will be served the day when Musharrafs mother is shot in front of his eyes and he sits there with her grey haired head in his lap, feeling her frail body struggle for breath, feeling the cold of death slide gradually on the woman who had given him life. And when she breaths her last, a grenade is fired on him, its shrapnel slicing through his throat leaving him barely alive to feel every bullet that slices through the body of his beloved daughter Ayla, whose burning corpse he sees turn into ash before death pierce through his uniformed body. That day the shaheed of Lal Masjid and Jamai Hafza would have been avenged. And people like me would have at last found peace.
In the end there is a request I would like to make to all of you who believe that Abdul Rasheed Ghazi died the death of a shaheed. For whatever it was worth, Ghazi Sahib was fighting for a cause no musalman can argue against. That his method was questionable is a debate that should be laid to rest for he paid with his life for that adopting that method.
Hours before he died, in his last telephonic conversation with the media, Ghazi sahib implored to the nation to keep struggling for the implementation of Shariah Laws in Pakistan. Implementation of the Shariah laws as sanctioned in the constitution of Pakistan is a mammoth task under the present circumstances. Musharraf with his overt agenda of enlightenment and so-called moderation is never ever going to let Shariah laws come in his way of putting Pakistan in the bracket of moderate nations. We as a nation need to take baby steps towards forcing Musharraf to take a back track on his enlightenment policy. Most of us do not wish to see a fundamentalist Pakistan headed by bearded mullahs who curb our basic human rights at the drop of a hat. But we also do not wish to see a morally corrupt Pakistan where contraceptive ads are openly aimed at unmarried young men and women [Touch], where billboards of a wine-making concern herald captions like “me and my big apple splashed across a busty woman [Karachi], where prostitutes are allowed to run their business under government protection [Aunty Shamim et al] where actresses are officially glorified for doing semi-pornographic films in neighboring countries [Meera], where hand-picked women ministers embrace and kiss non-Muslim men in the name of collecting charity [Neelofur Bakhtiar], where allegedly homosexuals women are made governors of state institutions [Governor State Bank] and homosexual men are given army protection for helping arrange congregations of the wicked weekly [Dansih Tapal], where formation of syllabus of basic education is given in the hands of non-muslims, where new skyscrapers are planned to light up the skyline but where century old mosques are demolished because they harden the soft image of Pakistan in the west.
That is what we should be looking at rather than taking the bait of trolls like [Asad Asif] and wasting our energies in letting them engage us in pointless rhetoric. People like him throw our way carefully engineered arguments that ask us to justify our beliefs to him that need to measure up to the yardsticks of his paradigm.
And no matter how hard you try and prove your point, he and his lot will never see things from the viewpoint of a rasikh-ul-aqeeda muslman. Victory over the likes of him can only be achieved by throwing the crumbs of your inattention at them, by letting their hollow words fall flat in the wilderness of their own trolling, and for like minded people to come together and do our bid in helping build the true image of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
I think that every 1 including people in power should be more sensible and behave as humans…..No 1 is goin to be happy…U pray & you live happy life is what good expects from every 1….At the end of the day people talk big and they go and get themselves killed but are they doin what god expects from them?????
This is stupidity….Grow up my friends and live a beautifull life like a pure water.
Great! For simply expressing my view, I am now termed as ‘Munafiq’ while Ghazi is elevated to the status of a hero. I am in no way saying that I agree with the manner the operation was carried out, all I said was that the stance Ghazi took was wrong and he was personally responsible for the lives of each and every individual inside that compound, so in a way he deserves double the blame. I guess my point was Ghazi got what he had coming to him. As for your justification of grabbing land in order to build a mosque, my friend you cannot justify one wrongdoing with another … especially for such supposedly holy purpose.
Adnan, you keep going back to Masjid e Hamza issue when I am in agreement with you over that. The whole discussion is about holding people up in Lal Masjid and using it as a center to resist and challenge the government and threatening to run chaos (read fidai) rampant. There may be a lot wrong going on behind the scenes, and the govt. may have ulterior motives behind this action (especially the timing of it) but as a matter of principle and of right/wrong .. Ghazi cannot be right in my view and should not be termed as `shaheed`.
What is wrong with challenging the goverment?
The goverement challanges Allah.
Are you saying for you the govrement is higher than Allah?
Why are you a Muslim?
Muslim is some one who submits to the will of Allah not the will of goverments.
There is no obediance to teh creation in disobediance to Allah
People can claim to be Muslim. But are they Muslim?
I think the terms Muslim and shaheed is being confused.
Some are shaheed for Allah and others are shaheed for chinese prostitutes and America and isreal.
Only one of them can go to heaven. Which Allah decides not you
One thing which is very clear is that Mullahs are not extremist instead the example of extremism is set by the Army, inshAllah they will soon pay for that, How can they use WP, I would forcefully say that Musharaf and government officials shall be trialed on using WP.
I guess it is not an easy task to give life for the cause. I slute Ghazi for his shahdat for the cause of Islam .. we hv just put a label of Muslims but in reality we dont obey allah / his book Quran.. May Allah show ur the right Path ….. Amin