Ever since the afternoon of the faithful day when in between the intense fighting at the Lal Masjid, the Pakistan Army victoriously announced the death of the head militant of Lal Masjid Maulana Ghazi Abdul Rashid. Watching the news reports come through on all news channels I did notice that everyone was refraining to tag his death as a Shahdat. For many non-Muslims reading this article, it might seem to be a trivial issue but to a Muslim it means a world of a difference. A simple naming terminology is of no consequence to the soul in this world but it means a phenomenal difference in life-here-after. Quite simply its a decision to be made by Allah for him on the day of the Judgment.
A shaheed is a title that is given to a Muslim after his death, if he died during the fulfillment of a religious commandment. For a moment lets forget the political issues surrounding the crisis, coming to the root of the issue it was Ghazi Abdul Rashid who was defending the integrity of Islam challenging the ineffectiveness of the government in implementing the sharia law hence allowing a progressive degradation of our society. Without doubt Right or Wrong Maulana Shazi Abdul Rashid was defending his place of worship and was fulfilling his religious duties in this process.
Shaheed is a title for a Muslim when he dies for Islam While on the other hand the aggressors (Pakistan Army) were overwhelmingly attacking the mosque to the extent of destroying a large portion of the property throughout the compound. Hence can easily be labeled as aggressors against Islam, which is probably the highest crime for a Muslim. The jawans may be following order but it must be remembered that if one of the jawans were to loose his life in battle against Islam cannot be labeled as a Shaheed simply because he was a Muslim.
I share with you an interesting email I received by Mr. M Javed Iqbal who portrays a very compelling argument, which actually also got me thinking about this important issue. I quote…
During the attack on Lal Masjid and Madarsah Hafsa a question that was repeatedly raised was ‘ Who is “Shaheed” and who is “Halak”.’
In my opinion the distinction is crystal clear. The mistake and mischief lies with the initiator. Who started knocking down masajid in the capital of Islamic Republic of Pakistan? If I am traveling and somebody open fires on me, I have a right to defend myself and fire back at him. Therefore we must understand that what Ghazi brothers did was in self defence. The pity is Mullahs of the country have been corrupted by Musharraf by offering nice salaries and perks to them, hence they failed to point out that the sanctity of a masjid was to be safeguarded at all costs. No Muslim can dare attack a masjid, because it is Allah house.
Accordingly security forces, army men and rangers who attacked Lal Masjid are jahunumi and the fighters of Lal Masjid are shuhdaa and shall Insha Allah Will be rewarded with Paradise. Each officer or jawan must have refused to obey illegal order of attacking a masjid. They could say: “Look sir ! we joined the army to protect the Masajid and save women and children, not for destroying and killing them”.
Since they gave preference to order of the officer over Order of Allah, they are mahluk and jahanumi.
The brave fight back of Ghazi Abdul Rashid is an eye opener. When most of the Mullas just talked he challenged the illegal and immoral acts of Musharraf regime of knocking down 90 year old masajid of Islamabad and kept fighting for the cause till death. On such noble death Mir has said:
Marge Majnun pe aqal gum hai Mir Most Mullas could not see this fine line and remained indifferent, although they could have raised hue and cry against desecration of masajid. We should not forget that Quran says “Allah is Most Powerful and Revengeful” Every party can see his image in this mirror!
Kiya Diwane ne maut pai hai !
Considering the issue, I feel convinced that the sad demise of Ghazi Abdul Rashid should be labeled as a Shaheed and full respect offered to the body in regards to its proper dignified burial. I would hold the Pakistani Army responsible to the extent of disobeying the Islamic Law to which they all have sworn to uphold.
He died defending the religion of Islam against the evil forces.
Comments
1,044 responses to “Shaheed or Halak ? – Ghazi Abdul Rashid”
you know what?
you are acting like a "rand bewa".
taunting,cursing,fighting with neighborhod kids all the time.
behave like a man.
no matter what you say, you can not change the facts.
ghazi abdul rasheed,his mother and his nephew were murdered
along with thousands of innocent rasikh ul aqeeda muslims.
you are talking about israr ahmed. did he said that ghazi sahib is a criminal?
you know what are the views of dr israr ahmed about pervez musharraf and previous govt?
ALLAH(SWT) ke rastay men shaheed honey walon par rakeek aur ghatya hamlay karna khuda key ghazab ko dawat deta hey.
kuch to khuda ka khof karo.
Dr Jawwad Khan, you change colours quicker than a chameleon. You've already admitted that the Ghazi brothers were conducting a violent fight, holding women and children hostage for use as human shields. You calling the women and children "rasikhul akeeda" or "bulbul baleela" does not change the fact that by not letting these women and children go, the Ghazi brothers, their mother and their cohorts are responsible, not the military that waited for a week to secure the release of these very women and children that you are mourning.
Now you behave like a man and tell me: if you were a father to one of the female students inside that complex, would you have wanted her released, or would you have preferred that the great warriors of Islam used her as a human shield? What if she was only 13 years old and had her whole life ahead of her?
now this is what i call a cheap propaganda.
i never said that he was holding women and children inside the compound…where and when i said????
Where?
Where?
where?
I just said ghazi abdul rasheed used force, which I believed that he shouldn’t .now I am getting convinced that I was wrong because when door is locked and guard is there with the rifle ready to shoot who ever reach the door, then logic tells us that fight with the guard first and unlock the door later.
i never responded @noman's allegation because i expect him to say any thing he want….he doesn’t know what he is saying.
And frankly I never took him seriously.
they were not hostages they opted to stay behind because they have no place to go. possibly they were not expecting such a inhumane barbarisms.
there were more than 6000 female students in jamia hafsa at the time of operation.registered students were much more than the 6000. most of them left the jamia hafsa.
Yes fathers and other relatives were waiting outside . Yes they were anxious and worried and yes they received their daughters and sisters.
You said that:
“not the military that waited for a week to secure the release of these very women and children that you are mourning”
Then what about hostage story?
Why army waited for one week if they knew that these women and children were taken as hostage?
Does army use heavy weapons in resolving hostage crisis?
for the sack of arguments even if I agree that they were criminals and they deserve to die,tell me then What was the justification of using phosphorus bomb?
“What if she was only 13 years old and had her whole life ahead of her?”
What do you care and why? About a girl studying in madrissa.
I am not asking you people to show any sympathy. I never expected from any secular fascist.I am asking to show some humanity. they are all dead. Do not attack on them. Attack on living momineen if you dare.
Be a human and do not act like a “bijjoo” who dig the grave and eat the dead human flesh. That is what I asking again and again.
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
u dont take me seriously..thtsy u put up reply full of crap to all my posts.its just tht replying with logic is beyond your competence.
dr.jawwadkhan on February 24, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
(if hamas can do atrocities to its own people.
if taliban can kill their own people.
then why not “mullahs of lal masjid and jamia hafsa” can use the women and children as a human shield?)
now read ur own words…the army waited for 7 days and a lot of students including umme hassan and burqa molvi surrendered..nobody shot them….so ur allegation is wrong…ghazi was lying on media abt children presence……..why?
i have already answered u regarding phosphorous bomb but u have still not unanswered or justified ghazi as per Quran and sunna.
people care about students of madrissas evident from the zakat , sadkat they receive.however misuse of these resourses cannot be justified.however the way u abuse soldiers of pak army by calling them dirty abuses and the way u depicted musharrafs punishment shows the amount of care u have for ur own religion and humanity…as far as living momeeneen are concerned i believe they are only taaliban.one example is ur friend on this blog.
please dont take me seriously.just answer and defend ghazis actions in light of Quran n sunna.dont come up with hypothesis.talk abt facts on ground.
shameon you!!!!!!!!
Noman has quoted what I was going to quote, i.e. your justification of women and children being used as human shields by the Ghazi brothers.
No one is disrespecting the innocent they died; only the evil elements that began and stretched the crisis that led to their deaths. And please stop parroting the "they had no place to go" BS, because they did: OUTSIDE! But the Lal Masjid brigade didn't let them. Even if there were orphans and widows inside, any decent human being, knowing the destruction that was about to be unleashed, would have allowed them safe passage.
But no, the brave warriors of Islam needed to hide behind innocent and brainwashed women and children. How tragic, and how unfortunate.
laugh out loud.
for both of you
laugh out loud
it was merely a taunt on your ill perception about jihadi organization which make you even tampeings the facts.
hamas built school and hospitals and got the popular support of the Palestinians. Got the sweeping victory. then you come with the bizarre idea that hamas actually committing "same kind of atrocities" like israelis army did.
jamat ud dawa also took part in rehabilitation works and admired not only from inside pakistan but also from all over the world.
you said that you were actually their for relief work……i am sorry that i have serious doubt in this claim.because i strongly believe that no secular fascist can come to help the poor muslims.
taliban in afghanistan are fighting for their freedom with the help of their people america is loosing this war because people of afghanistan hate america. they are supporting the taliban. and yet you people are unable to see the ground reality.
and worst of all the freaky idea that abdul rasheed ghazi took the hostage…
you guys are too much.
people of rawalpindi and islamabd rejected PMLQ in elections because of the operation in jamia hafsa.
didn't you guys ever read any interview of PMLQ leaders after the defeat in the general election.
may be the your prejudice refrain you to admit these facts.
and because of that i taunted.
and what happened. your pathetic approach towards islam and jihad hampered your mental capability to differentiate between a plain statement and a taunt.
laugh out loud
@noman se maazrat ke saath.
You're fumbling again, Dr Jawwad, trying to go 'offroad' from the conversation by hiding behind personal attacks.
And for the record, most of the aid provided to 'poor Muslims' around the world is from non-Muslim donors. And unlike the real, brave warriors of Islam who were also there for aid work, we didn't set conditions or refuse women and their children food just because their heads were not covered. Our accounts were transparent and accountable, unlike those of the Jama'at-ud Dawa, which was discovered by the UN OCHA to be diverting aid money to buy guns and ammo for 'jihad'. What a shame!
Do you want me to nag you again till you admit (again!) that the women and children in Jamia Hafsa were human shields for the brave warriors of Islam?
Danial Burki
And for the record, most of the aid provided to ‘poor Muslims’ around the world is from non-Muslim donors
and for your information, the international donors get the exclusive rights by having their Govt ban Muslim charities. Do you want the names?
Moral of the story is: MIGHT IS RIGHT
@wasey: Yes, give me names. Then we can deal with them on a case-by-case basis and determine whether their contribution, had they not been banned, would have been greater than the contribution of non-Muslim donors.
jawaad
the rules of jihad are enshrined by our prophet (p.b.u.h).we have examples of fatah e makkah which gives the rules of engagement in any battle.where do suicide bombings and killing of innocent civillians as a result and hiding behind women/children , lying and wearing burqas, and running away from so called jihad figure out in any of the wars fought by the prophet(saw)…………lolz.
u taunt
ghazi lies
both innocent!!!!
jamat ud dawa does some rehablitative work but taliban still want hafiz saeed dead…i wonder why????????
similar gud work has been done by the army over the past 60 yrs in various natural calamities who have hit pakistan.
u give a number of options for the lal masjid episode .u bel army shd have cut off electricity/gas/water etc meaning that you yourself believe in your heart that ghazi was wrong and he would not let go of his human sheilds easily.
lolz …..munafiqat
where you are caught thats a taunt….ha!!!!
are you really that moron or you just trying to annoy me?
can't you do something better than repeating the same old stupid arguments again and again.
can't you do some thing better than this ridiculous propaganda which is based on lies?
jamat ud dawa does some rehablitative work but taliban still want hafiz saeed dead…i wonder why????????
because taliban hate any one who works for army.
we saw the example of "good work" on live transmission when earth quake struck the kashmir valley.
"lolz …..munafiqat"
i am sure no one can be that stupid as you are trying to pose.
what was my comment and what i wanted to say,any one can read and know.
the fact is that the barbaric use of force against the civilians strengthened the position and the cause of ghazi abdul rasheed forever.it modulated a very slow and light music into heavy beats and heavy drumming.
it has produced a permanant rift between the liberal fascists and islamists.
you people should know that there are some things in this world that once done can not be undone
hahahaha
wowwwwwwwwwww
is fatah e makkah a propganda or do u believe that the rules of engagement given by the holy prophet (saw) are not good enough for the new mullah raw alliance.
u saw the good work on tv so is that a taunt or factual prays?
just tell when all the roads were destroyed how did the tv camera reach there before road repairs.how many jahadis from mulah brigade died during rehablitative work?unn sai ziada kam tou cuba sai ayay huway un drs nai kia who are not even muslims.these so called mullahas and jahadis like the one in lal mosque were busy abducting women/children.no wonder they were lying throughout this episode…..
waisay whenever the media criticizes the army ur with them but when ur fav hamid mir and others were crying hoarse over a quick operation to restore govt writ u look the other way.it is the same media where ghazi lied about presence of children…but u wont answer it…thats what i call munafiqat.
hafiz saeed// your statement that taliban would like to kill someone who has promoted pakistans cause in kashmir speaks of the money which these traitor mullahas get from india. you have proven my point………lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
dare refute the prophets(saw) action and dare prove ghazis's cause by any single of the prophets(saw) rules from fatah e makkah..
but maybe u call any ref to Quran/hadith a propoganda…oops jawab tou tum nai pehlay bhi kabhi nahi dia…
if u get angry as ur out of answers/logic/justification then its nmot my fault….hehehe
jhoot bolnay ki bhee joee had hotee hey.
you are behaving like a propaganda secretary of the students wing of a third class nationalist party.
have a look at these glimpses and do some research about the "good work" done by pakistan army.
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/arunimukherjee/entry/t…
refute these allegations
"That being said, what humans can expect from their government is a swift response to such a catastrophe. Soon after the earthquake, the BBC quoted a Pakistani army official declaring that “those destined to die in the quake have died and there is nothing anyone can do about it. But let me assure you that not a single survivor is now likely to die of cold or hunger.” Noble pledge, once reckons. Alas, only if it was true.
On December 9, two months after the earthquake, Mohammad Shehzad, writing for Rediff after visiting the quake-hit areas, overheard an army official admitting that “thousands of victims are sleeping rough without tents.” When pointed out that people on the streets of Muzaffarabad were begging the army for tents, he added- “We cannot even provide everyone tents let alone winterised ones.”
On November 29, army spokesperson Major General Shaukat Sultan stated on Geo TV that 10,000 shelters had already been built for them. However, a UN official pointed out the inexplicable dichotomy at play- “On November 27, the Economic Affairs Division of the government [had] rejected a UN proposal to build 28,000 such shelters for the vulnerable population above the snowline.”
Immediately after the quake, Pervez Hoodboy noted in the Economic and Political Weekly (October 12) that in Balakot no efforts were being made to extricate the dead and/or wounded from underneath the rubble by the army
As if the survivors’ troubles weren’t enough, they also have to deal with what Aamer Ahmed Khan called “the law of the jungle in the quake zone.” As the battle for survival gets “grimmer by the minute” due to shortage of relief materials, villagers increasingly become cynical. Nur Ellahi (a villager) told the BBC- “I have seen people fighting with axes over relief goods.” Let alone the rogue elements outside the administration, a lack of guards for the guardians is complicating matters. On December 10, there were protests in the capital of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir against the rape of four girls within a week in the camps, allegedly due to the army’s “patronising of elements involved in criminal activities.”
All the allegations indicate only one thing that there was a shortage of materials.the army or anybody did not know that the quake was coming nor could nyone predict the scale of the disaster, however what you have qouted from various sources does not indicate that nothing was done.pakistan and its various state bodies can only react and provide resources from what they have but because of your extreme bias towards anything good done by the army u cant see it.
Now coming back to the main subject explain why u choose not to answer ghazis sins .
U fully understand and know that by associating that two bit criminal with the name of islam is an irony.i also assume that by ignoring the rest of my post u agree that all of ghazis actions were against Quran/sunnah…
U have accused that im lying …prove it.
Ur fav hamid mir and rasikhul aqeeda media spoke a lot of truth abt ghazi ..woh bhi is case mai jhotay thay.
Lolzzzzzzz
U should have also objected to the jhoot of ghazi that they wre no children inside the mosque but maybe its your slogan
Jhoota jhoota ghazi jhoota….
Or is it that u don’t believe in the actions of the prophet(saw) during fatah e makkah.
Moreover has raw finally stopped giving u money for engaging in anti pak activity or are u still on raw and mossad payroll.people like ghazi are nothing but traitors and infact are big supporters of the indian cause.
Aur munafikat ki intiha yeh hai k baghal mai churri aur mun sai islam islam….lolz
Another pathetic attempt to avoid the issue!!!!!!!
Identifying Assumptions in the Hadith/Sunnah Debate
Richard Voss Ph.D.
Too often we become embroiled in arguments over hadith and sunnah with their advocates before considering the disparate assumptions underlying our opposing viewpoints. The debate that ensues often becomes little more than a game, debate for the sake of debate, or a contest to determine the better debater rather than the truth. This complicates discussions. Perhaps while we are occupied in pointless debate, there are others who sincerely wish to know the truth but who are currently deprived of our insight because our time and energy are being consumed by people who have no interest in the truth.
The assumptions that underlie the respective positions of proponents and opponents of hadith and sunnah generally revolve around what is meant by "discarding" them. The opponents of hadith and sunnah are concerned only with the question of sanctity [of upholding God’s word], their proponents, on the other hand, are concerned with the prescriptive vacuum that they fear would be created if all the world's Muslims suddenly do away with their volumes of Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi and the rest of the transcribers of the oral traditions of the early Islamic era. In a given debate, therefore, the Submitter [the advocate of following the Quran alone] may think that "discarding" hadith and sunnah means merely resisting the belief that they could serve as a source of divine guidance, while the advocate of hadith and sunnah may think it means doing away with information valuable for providing insight into certain aspects of early Islamic history. In such a debate, the debaters could reach a consensus if each realizes what the other assumes is understood from the outset.
In order to carry on more rational debates and, more importantly, to determine whether our prospective opponents in debate are interested in the truth or merely the debate itself, we ought to clarify what our main concern is before we start. Do we wish to debate the ostensibly divine origins of the oral traditions or merely their historical or philological merit? Do we wish to debate the accuracy of their content? Do we wish to discuss the reliability of oral tradition in general, of which the hadith and sunnah are merely transcriptions? To many Submitters the oral traditions are as intriguing as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Some may hold hadith philology in the same regard as many of us hold non-religious hobbies. Being Submitters, however, they do not confuse their academic interests with their worship. We should be careful not to encourage an exaggerated fear of the oral traditions, just as the advocates of hadith and sunnah should have sense enough not to forment an irrational fear of the consequences of carrying on discussions without them.
To exemplify my point, I refer to Edip Yuksel’s responses to three questions from an advocate of hadith and sunnah in the May ‘95 issue of SP. While his responses are clear and valid, they do not directly address the assumptions held by the questioner. It is my opinion that, if we are quick to entertain debate before we have considered the assumptions underlying the questions, we are bound to wind up with very lengthy responses that do very little to address the central issues.
The first question asks whether rejecting the validity of all "trustworthy" (sahih) hadith is warranted on the basis of examination of a few of them. This implies two assumptions:
(1) that Submitters base their entire position regarding hadith and sunnah on the identification of a few flaws; and
(2) that they reject the possibility outright that some hadith may be accurate historical accounts. However, Submitters reject hadith first and foremost because the Quran specifically requires the faithful to make the Quran their only source of guidance. Textual analysis has nothing to do with it. Analysis of the content of hadith merely serves to corroborate the dictate, after the fact. As for the other point, Submitters do not deny the historical validity of much of hadith. (As Edip Yuksel accurately points out, "we can study hadith to get an approximate idea about the people and events of those times.")
However, Submitters do not bother to undertake the difficult task of sorting out truth from falsehood in them because the primacy of the Quran makes the oral traditions utterly irrelevant as far as guidance is concerned. Given the choice of flawless guidance from the Quran and dubious anecdotes from the hadith, only a fool would choose to study the latter in place of the former.
The second question is really a restatement of the first. It suggests examination of each hadith individually to assess its veracity. Suffice it to say that the underlying assumptions are the same, and the task suggested could only interest a historian or philologist. It would do nothing to enhance the institution of worship as far as Submitters are concerned.
The third question evokes the above-mentioned fear of the prescriptive vacuum: "Suppose we cease to use hadtih as a source of information about the Prophet, his life, and his career. Then we notice that the Quran itself says very little about the Prophet's life. It also says nothing about how the Quran was compiled. The historicity of the Quran is based on hadiths."
The first assumption here is that the Quran's validity is supported solely by historical evidence. While the answer to this assumption is obvious to those truly familiar with the Quran, it is worth noting that the historicity of the Quran is not an issue to those who already accept it as the Word of God. To them, the Quran is the first truth, against which everything else must be compared. Nor does the Quran depend on the opinions of historians to give it importance. Submitters have already gone through the process of assessing its validity, whether on the basis of what they had learned about its historicity or on the basis of other evidence, such as the patient confirmation of the truth of the miraculous code embedded in its text. No longer finding it necessary to assess the veracity of the Quran, they now seek only to obey it.
Finally, there are even bolder assumptions underlying the third question than those I have mentioned. By asserting that "the Quran itself says very little about the Prophet's life" and that it says "nothing about how the Quran was compiled," the questioner assumes that the information that the Quran leaves out is nevertheless vital to our spirituality. (One might ask how the questioner knows that this information is vital, does it say so in a hadith?) The Quran, as we know, is "fully detailed" (6:114). What this tells us is that it is not up to us to decide what the Quran should tell us. If a given issue is truly vital to our spirituality, we will find it addressed in the Quran. If it is not vital, we should not expect to find it there.
Finally, if what is lacking from the Quranic text, how to light a fire, how to bake a cake, how to tie our shoes, really concerns us then let me just add that our role as Submitters is not merely to follow a list of prescriptions, but to come to understand the wisdom behind them through our observance of them. With this wisdom, which increases over time as long as we keep up our genuine worship, we become progressively more capable of finding the answers to life’s questions ourselves. Indeed, God could merely have given us a list of rules to follow (and it would be no exaggeration to say that may "Muslims" perceive Islam in precisely this way!). The Word of God, on the contrary, is designed to see to our evolution as human beings, not to set up a society of robots who cannot think for themselves.
If the Quran, the Word of God, alone is not enough for us, then we should consider whether we can truly identify ourselves as slaves of God, followers of the examples of Abraham and Muhammad. Perhaps all debates should begin with this assumption: that the Quran alone is sufficient as a criterion against which to discuss anything anyone proposes with respect to worship, exactly as it it written, without footnotes.
hey noman!
good news!
it seems that supreme court is looking for possibilities of the trial of pervez musharraf for treason,violating the constitution and jamia hafsa messacre.
GHQ didn't show any sign of disapproval.
in coming few days you shall see the series of petitions against pervez musharraf for the heinous crimes he committed against the pakistani people.
you are still there? or you are planning a flee with your ex boss?
I've no clear words to express my feelings. However, I pray unto Allah for the mission of Ghazi brothers to come true and I long for seeing true Islam in practice in Pakistan as can be visualised by any sincere Muslim whosoever in the real sense of the word. Being a Muslim demands very much the practical and truesome obedience of Allah and the Prophet(SAW). May Allah help us do what we ought to do. Aameen!
Ameeen
i dont have any objections but when the case is heard it would become evident that why maulana burqa is still in custody.the reasons for the lying fasadi ghazi and his actions would be more clear and his sins would come in limelight…
waisay if iftikhar ch had not been reinstated tum tou bhag hi gayay thay……
jaisay answers ki bat atti hai u run away from the blog……lolzzzzzzzzzz…
molana abdul aziz is in judicial custody since 1 and half year.he was charged with multiple counts.
but courts even in the under the influence of dictator did not find him guilty.
i believe that he will soob be release.
now its time for murderers in uniform.
i am sure that cj will try to kick some army butts.
lolz
your rasikhul aqeeda cj is also pco/nro judge.
NRO????
you are such a moron.
lolzzzz for the assholes
you have again started displaying your range of filth language.its strange that a supporter of sicko taliban and a so called rasikh ulaqeeda has such choice of words.
waisay why ur so interested in butts:))))))))))))))))))
thanks for agrreing that you miserably failed to defend that killer( on the other blog).you are still free to argue your case in the light of Quran/sunna.
do read the complete posts and indicate where u have answred all that asked?
nro cj coz he is part of that nro till the time he overturns. pco k baray mai tou rasikhulaqeeda geo bhi admit karta hai.
lolz
its not my fault noman!
usually i don't use that kind of language but your sick mentality make me use these kind of words.
still wonder how cj is a part of NRO?
again lolzzzzz for a….holessss
your eplaination for your bad language is as stupid and ridiculous as the topi drama of ghazi brothers.
i have seen u abusing on other blogs as well so dont lie that its only on this blog u show your competence.
there is absolutely no justification for abuses, filth and dirt so dont try that.
cj is part of nro as he has no objection working under the nro president.
anyways,
still avoiding answers???????????
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
lolz
a unique logic for NRO. my brother is a govt servant.is he also the part of NRO because president of pakistan is immunized by NRO?
thats ridiculous.
yes i used indecent language when i saw a "bijjoo" digging the grave and eating a dead human flesh.i use when i see a blasphemy against NABI E KAREEM(saww) and UMMUL MOMINEEN hazrat Ayesha(ra) and i used against indians.
you did not..but you are doing extremely obnoxious job, far worst than abusing.
no need to tell as i hate repeatation.
your questions?
please don't mind if i say,are sillier than you.are more slanders than the questions.
can you do one thing?
its seem that you are more dedicated person against ghazi brothers. why don't you go to the aabpara chok and invite the common people and share your views about ghazi brothers?
if you are honest enough, can you do that?
noman!
read what this news say:
its a pay back time baby.its a pay back time
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2009/03/27/lead3….
oh really????????????
now we have to forget teachings of islam and rely on abpara people opinion .if you and others were such a big supporter of him then why all these supporters were sleeping at time of operation.his own brother and bhabi left him.the innocent he abducted were surrendering and you say they support him.lolzzz
people outside g6 dont even recognise that molvi if his name is called.
why dont u talk to the families of those who were affected by these terrorist?
your beloved media demanded operation from govt .your own hamid mir used to call aik imam masjid jo darulhakomat mai apni hakomat qaim kar k logon mai khof o haras philana chahta hai..why govt doesnt stop them…..lolz!!!!
im doing an obnoxious job yes coz u dont have any logic answer , hadith ayat to call the obnoxious brothers, sharpasand activities as correct.
plz quote me example of holy prophet(saw) ever ridiculing , abusing anybody in spreading islam.
i have quoted you various scholars names , they come across a lot of harsh questions against islam from non muslims but i have never seen them losing temperament and what to talk abt abuse.
wait
no
maybe abpara people are the authority not Quran/hadith..
:)))))))))))))))
yes when u abuse the whole military and those martyred during the operation as mad dogs and kuffar then ur adil cj is also part of nro.an ordinary man of a govt job is not in authority but cheif justice of pakistan is.if he can protest for his illegal dissmissal then he should also raise voice for nro as its also part of musharraf deal.
but maybe it suits him :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
as far as wafaq ul madaris they are only zakat k thaikaidars.their role during the operation was a true example of our double standard mullahas
lolz
"as far as wafaq ul madaris they are only zakat k thaikaidars"
again a typical monkey business.can't you behave like a gentleman?
wafaq ul madaris is body of group of madaris run by most eminent ulema e karam.
like there is saying that "bandar kia janay adrak ka maza" we can say that a munafiq doesn't know the respect of distinguished ulema.
so ulema doesn't know.
common muslims doesn't know
then who knows???
noman the munafiq? thats hilarious.
their roll in the operation was according to their noble position.they just tried to calm down the situation to avoid the disastor.i watched them day and night. no body said that ghazi was doing wrong. can you quote a one respected and distinguished scholar or cleric who said that demands of ghazi abdul rasheed was wrong or what he did was wrong….all were saying that he should not have use the force at that time.
your repeated monkey behaviour is biggest source of irritation for muslims.be a human rather monkey's shit.
why you are so afraid of expressing your views in aabpara?
muslims of pakistan respect the "Quran and sunnah"…right?
so i suggest you to go out side and discuss with the people with the refrence of Quran and sunnah. i am sure they will appericiate your arguments. because you will explain them in the light of quran and sunnah…right?
so leave your place have a fresh air and talk to the people.and later tell us about "soul refreshing" experience.
with out telling lies,like your previous false IDs.
be a smart this time.
simply……lolzzzzzzzzzz
the world is not abpara.neither all 16 corore people of pakistan are restricted to g 6.as far as ghazis crimes are concerned you have not been able to come up with a single aya or sunna in support of killing lying and using human sheilds.you dont believe in the sunnah of the prophet (saw) u only consider galam galoch and suicide bombing , killing innocent ppl and all those trying to bring peace to the society as true islam.
why dont u have cdourage and go to the families of all the soldiers and policemen who embraced shihadat, telling them that ghazi is a big hero.
even ur media was a big critic and why did umme hassan, criticize wafaq ul madaris.
why they all are going to court now and since last 1 yr.why not earlier before abducting women and burning property.
do prove the galam galoch in light of Quran and sunnah…why dont u?
or is it abpara model of islam or sawati shariat.
if im so repititve then why ur bothering urself to commit sins in abusing.
:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
false id ?????????? burqa id!!!!!!!! really brave
lolz
dactar jawaad ur fav rasikh ul aqeeda hamid mir views ,
http://islamabad.metblogs.com/2007/07/04/maulana-…
read and enjoy poora pakistan comments….but for u hamid mir ki bat hi hadith hai…look at the amount of respect he earned & hamid mir sentiments.
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
Maulana Abdul Aziz’s Escape: Hamid Mir Reveals
By A for [pine]Apple July 4th, 2007 @ 11:15 PM Lal Masjid Siege, News, Religion, Social, The CAPITAL edge, Tragic
Just an hour back Hamid Mir revealed an interesting tale behind the arrest of Maulana Abdul aziz at around 8:30 PM. According to his higher official sources, the escape was not foiled by the rangers but 6 ITP women officers. They were appointed to check the female students coming out for any ammunition.
Officers were inspecting a group of 6-8 female students clad in Burqa when the girls started screaming that please don’t inspect our Auntie, she’s elderly and is sick. This struck right – female officers tightened their hold on the Auntie and when they unveiled her his niqab – he was Maulana Abdul Azizi Ghazi. Rangers and higher officials immediately took hold of the situation. Um e Hasaan, wife of Maulana sahab and Principal of Jameya, was also arrested. Daughter of Maulana sahab, who was accompanying then, ran off back to Lal Masjid seeing the situation.
Hamid Mir further reported that I personally am very saddened to know that Maulana Sahab not only tried to escape the Lal masjid wearing a Burqa; but also as Auntie.
imam e kaaba's stand on lal mosque affair
ISLAMABAD: Imam-e-Kaaba Shaikh Abdur Rehman al-Sudais has ardently appealed to the Lal Masjid administration to give up the path it has adopted for the past few months or the enemy would benefit from anarchy and chaos.
"I deeply regret and am surprised over their undertaking," he said while talking to a group of senior journalists at the Punjab House on Saturday. Saudi Ambassador Ali Awadh Asseri was also present on the occasion.
In his brief opening remarks, Asseri said the Muslim Ummah was faced with paramount challenges after 9/11, which should be tackled with wisdom and acumen. The Imam-e-Kaaba said he was disappointed to note that the Lal Masjid brigade had involved women and children who, he said "should not be used (in such activity)."
He said that seizing mosques was an act of enemies of Islam and Pakistan. "Being a well-wisher of Pakistan, I request these people to act while remaining within the clearly defined commandments of the religion. Any transgression will only accomplish the objectives of the enemy," he said.
He said Islam does not allow anybody to make mosques sanctuary this way. This is no wise method, he said, adding that mosques are Houses of Allah Almighty, not meant to show power by any person or group. "Anybody who likes to enforce Islamic Shariah can't force it on his own. It can't be enforced at the individual level. Ulema and those having knowledge of Islam should be approached for this purpose."
Al-Sudais expressed the hope that the issue would remain confined to the local level and would be resolved amicably. However, he said there are a lot of people in Pakistan who understand the religion and its spirit well, and a wrong course adopted by some would not make any difference.
"I counsel these people to compassionately resolve the issue according to the distinguished principles of Islam in consultation with the government, Ulema and officials," the Imam-e-Kaaba stressed. He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force. The religion teaches mutual compassion and emphasises on love and affection.
Al-Sudais said that in an Islamic government, everybody cannot act on his own and has to follow the system and institutions of the state. Anarchy and chaos, he said, are worse than murder, and Muslims must have to act collectively. They are not allowed to adopt an independent path.
The Imam-e-Kaaba said Muslims are protectors of each other while limiting themselves to the confines of the law, and the rules prescribed by the state institutions. Islam prohibits taking any actions that divide Muslims.
dactar jawaad inko kis suthri zuban sai address karna pasand karein gai.
this is the true worth of those criminals…………..
"this is the true worth of those criminals…………"
did you hear that?
"Supreme Court (SC) has rejected government plea seeking
cancellation of bail of former Khateeb Lal Masjid Maulana
Abdul Aziz in four cases….."
isn't this news a slap on the face of pakistani munafiq?
just saw his interview via PTV on Geo… that was disgusting, even if he was a terrorist, Govt. or PTV has no right to interview him while in burqa (and i seriously doubt, he would like to wear it after 12 HRS – it must be a Govt. or PTV Drama). I also herd the opinion of Hamid Mir about this interview and he was quite worried about the integrity of interview & poor questions, conducted by PTV.
lol I want to say that mUSSARAF SHOULD BE HANGED FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLES.aur ALLAH qayamat ke din faisla de dega ke kon kaise tha no need to talk here but all we know that lal masjid peoples were innocent and Some shia factor was involved in killing these peoples.
so u term belief in Quran and sunaah as munafiqat..being in saudia i would like to c u holding a banner calling imam kaba munafiq too.
moreover kitni khuli munafiqat hai k pehlay yehi cj tha, yehi courts then aur in criminals ka nara tha k aisi courts ko mai nahi manta…thts they used to abduct slander kill / murder ppl .burn govt property.and not go to courts.
i hv seen ur point.i believe that they shd not be goin to these coursts as they deserve sharae punishment which they will get in hereafftere inshallah.
u did not comment on hamid mir nor on imam kaaba…
but u were a great supporter of mir.
the prob with u is tht u follow personalities rather than believing in Quran.
u support saudi system then y did u not comment on imam kabaas opinion???????????
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
chatttttttttaaaaakkhhhhhhh
patttttaaaaaaaakhhhhhhh
our beloved hamid mir has started talking about the possiblities of the trial of pervez.
imam e kaaba did not say any thing different what ulema from wafaq ul madaris had been said.
imam e kaaba had no idea about the intentions of the killers in uniform.he was used and i am sure he will be regreting for his statement which is used by pervezi govt.
lolzz noman hamid mir is great man.tum adalat ko mano ya na mano kise ne tum se puch hai lol
aziz
i never said wat u accused
lolz
Mashalllah
So u agree now that both imam e kaaqba and wafaqul madaris were against the stand of ghazi rasheed and his criminal actions.
Pehlay tou tum wafaqul madaris ko both achi org kehtay thay….lolz
Pervez musharraf ka trial hoga ya nahi is not imp.
The issue is that ghazi and molana burqa stand was unislamic, unethical and downright criminal.
Now ur accusing imam e kaba of being bikaooo.
Everybody follows him in prayer.
They listen to him and use his statement as guidance.
He does not wear burqa and claims to be sharaee.
Jahan sai tumhara point prove na ho uskay dil ka hal tumko pata hai….laanat
Hamid mir…..hamid mir says gud things abt molana burqa aunty.he told on nks abt suicide bomber from jamia hafza.he demanded quick action against those criminals.
Aunty shamim k time yeh court ghair sharaee thai,…ab sharaee hain …lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Lolz
Jawad ru smarter than a 5th grader????????????????
Lolz
Obviously not!!!!!!!!!
Shaheed or Halak in the light of Rasikh ul Aqeeda [Devout] Quran and Hadith [which supposed to be the Criteria for Muslims particularly the Pakistani Muslims who insert Islam into every damn thing:
AN IMPORTANT HADITH FOR FALSE MULLAHS, FALSE JIHADIS AND ELITE WHO SHOW OFF.
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) say:
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Another] will be a man who has studied [religious] knowledge and has taught it and who used to recite the Quran. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did
you do about them? He will say: I studied [religious] knowledge and I taught it and I recited the Quran for Your sake. He will say: You have lied – you did but study [religious] knowledge that it might be said [of you]: He is learned. And you recited the Quran that it might be said [of you]: He is a reciter. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Another] will be a man whom Allah had made rich and to whom He had given all kinds of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I left no path [untrodden] in which You like money to be spent without spending in it for Your sake. He will say: You have lied – you did but do so that it might be said [of you]: He is open-handed. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Muslim, Tirmidhi and Nasa'i).
Shaheed or Halak in the light of Rasikh ul Aqeeda [Devout] Quran and Hadith [which supposed to be the Criteria for Muslims particularly the Pakistani Muslims who insert Islam into every damn thing: Part – 2:
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When fitnah occurs, remain in your house When turmoil (fitnah) occurs, remain within your house
and flee from the neighbourhood of tumult. Beware of blind following and every case of fighting between Muslims for this world is discord and a trial. Fear Allah, who is alone, having no partner. Do not go out in it, do not fight in it, do not take part in it, do not take sides in it, nor incline towards either (side) and do not have love for any of their affairs, since it is said, “He who loves the deeds of a people, good or bad, is just like the one who commits them.” May Allah grant us and you those things pleasing to Him and keep us away from disobedience to Him.
Ibn az-Zubayr narrates: My close friend, Abul-Qaasim (sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam) advised me,
“If you reach anything of the tumult (fitnah), go to Uhud and blunt your sword upon it, then remain in your house.” Reported by Ahmad in al-Musnad.
"Innaml Aamal Binniyat" [Bukhari] means Pure intentions are required for salvation and only Allah knows what goes on in the heart."
{And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him}, [Soorah an-Nisaa, Aayah 93].
And the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said:
((The blood of a Muslim that bears witness that none has the right to be worshipped (in truth) except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah is not permissible (to spill), except in three cases:
1) recompense for killing someone else,
2) stoning the adulterer,
3) the one who leaves his Deen, abandoning the jamaa’ah)) [Agreed upon (Bukhaaree and Muslim)] This is the version of Bukhaaree.
NOTE: These three killings will be only be done by Ruler or Qazi.
And in the Sunan of An-Nasaa’ee, on the authority of ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr, (radhi-yallaahu 'anhu), the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said:
((The cessation of the dunyaa (world) is less significant to Allaah than the killing of a single
Muslim man (i.e. person)))
And one day, Ibn ‘Umar looked to the House, or the Ka'bah, and said: ((How great you are, and how great is your sanctity, and the believer is even greater in sanctity to Allaah than you)) (Meaning that the haram is safe and protected from fighting and bloodshed, and the believer has even more right to be safe and protected from bloodshed)
Usaamah bin Zaid reported, “Allaah’s Messenger sent us towards Al-Huruqa, and in the morning we attacked them and defeated them. I and an Ansari man followed a man from among them and when we overwhelmed him, he said, “La ilaha illal-Lah.” On hearing that, the Ansari man
stopped, but I killed him by stabbing him with my spear. When we returned, the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) came to know about that and he said:
((O Usaamah! Did you kill him after he had said “La ilaha ilal-Lah?” I said, “But he said so only to save himself.” He kept on repeating that so often that I wished I had not embraced Islam before that day)) [Agreed upon, and this is the wording of Bukhaaree.]
WHEN TWO MUSLIMS CONFRONT EACH OTHER
Ahnaf b. Qais reported on the authority of Abu Bakra that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When two Muslims confront each other with their swords, both the slayer and the slain are doomed to Hell-Fire. [Sahih Muslim The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah]
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Hammad through another chain of transmitters.
Abu Bakra reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When two Muslims (confront each other) and the one amongst them attacks his brother with a weapon, both of them are at the brink of Hell-Fire. And when one of them kills his companion, both of them get into Hell-Fire. [Sahih Muslim The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah]
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) many ahadith and one of them was this: The last Hour will not come until the two parties (of Muslims) confront each other and there is a large-scale massacre amongst them and the claim of both of them is the same.[Sahih Muslim The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah]
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last Hour will not come unless there is much bloodshed. They said: What is harj? Thereupon he said: Bloodshed. bloodshed. [Sahih Muslim The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah]
Thauban reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah drew the ends of the world near one another for my sake. And I have seen its eastern and western ends. And the dominion of my Ummah would reach those ends which have been drawn near me and I have been granted the red and the white treasure and I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others. [Sahih Muslim The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah]
'Amir b. Sa'd reported on the authority of his father that one day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came from a high, land. He passed by the mosque of Banu Mu'awiya, went in and observed two rak'ahs there and we also observed prayer along with him and he made a long supplication to his Lord. He then came to us and said: I asked my Lord three things and He has granted me two but has withheld one. I begged my Lord that my Ummah should not be destroyed because of famine and He granted me this. And I begged my Lord that my Ummah should not be destroyed by drowning (by deluge) and He granted me this. And I begged my Lord that there should be no bloodshed among the people of my Ummah. but He did not grant it. [Sahih Muslim The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah]
Amir b. Sa'd reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came with a group of his Companions and he passed by the mosque of Banu Mu'awiya. The rest of the hadith is the same. [Sahih Muslim (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah)]
Shaheed or Halak in the light of Rasikh ul Aqeeda [Devout] Quran and Hadith [which supposed to be the Criteria for Muslims particularly the Pakistani Muslims who insert Islam into every damn thing: Part – 3:
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When the Muslims Community is afflicted with some hardship then Qunoot-E-Naazilah should be recited in the Fajr Salaat.
Method: After the Ruku' of the second rakaat, while standing in the position known as Qaumah, the Qunoot should be read in a higher tone. The Muqtadees should place their hands at the side and say Ameen at the proper juncture.
Note: Women may also recite this dua softly.
One may recite it as often as possible as a dua.
Translation:
O Allah, guide us aright along with those who have been rightly guided and grant us safety along with those that have been granted safety and support us along with those that have been supported and add Your Blessings to what You have given us and save us from the harmful effects of what You have ordained (i.e. lest I should be wanting in cheerfully submitting to your Decrees) as You alone disposes and no one can dispose against You. Anyone who is under Your Protection cannot be lowered and anyone who is opposed by You cannot gain dignity; our Lord; You are full of blessings and Most High, we beg forgiveness from You and repent before You and may the blessings of Allah be showered on the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). O Allah, forgive us and the believing men and women and Muslim men and women, unite their hearts with mutual love, set right their mutual affairs and help them against theirs and Your enemy. O Allah, let Your curse be on those unbelievers who prevent people from treading Your path, who reject Your prophets and fight Your chosen ones. O Allah, make difficult their plans, shake their feet and give them such punishment which is not turned away from a sinning people. [Al Behaqi] Aameen
SLANDER:
"The issue is that ghazi and molana burqa stand was
unislamic, unethical and downright criminal"
NEWS:
"Supreme Court (SC) has rejected government plea seeking
cancellation of bail of former Khateeb Lal Masjid Maulana
Abdul Aziz in four cases…..”
CONCLUSION:
"a slap on the face of the munafiq…"
chatttttttttttaaaakkkkkkkhhh
pattttttttttttaaakhhhhhhhhh
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
khisyani billi kiun khamba noch rahi hai
why ur trying to ignore imam e kaaba comments….
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
in adalton mai ghazi pehlay kiun nahi gia
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
do tell imam e kaaba that its a slap on ur face
u dont value what he says….mashallah
hahahahaha
do read imam e kabba comments abt these criminals.thats their worth is.
tell hamid mir that u were slandering when u called molana burqa as aunty etc etc….
lolz
musharraf was also supported by the same cj in 2000 and in numerous later judgements.it means that he is also rite…….. now plz slap ur own face
lolz
next time do tell imam e kaba abt the slap…
ur abusing him…..lanat
kidar aunty burqa aur kidar ……………..
buree bat noman!
aisa naheen kehtay.tumharee munafiqat ab adalat e uzma se sabit huwee hey.woh din door naheen jab molana sahib riha ho kar saray brothels band kara dan gay.horrifying???isn't it??
lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
band kar dein gai ya aurtein aghwa kar kar k jihad ka drama karein gai?????????????
lolzzzzzzzzz
tv par fahashi jaiz hai
kiun na ho??
biyan bazi tv par karni hai….tou jo cheez khud istimal karni hai uss mai burai kesi
lolzzzzz]
woh bahir ayein gai ya nahi….doesnt matter
jo religious scholars and imam kaaba unkay baray mai opinion rakhtay hain that cannot be changed….they were wrong and condemned
brothels court sai kiun nahi band karwatay????????/
courts ko nahi mantay kia????????
ya phir india sai paisay kha k phir chinese hi aghwa karnay hain?????
court sai waisay burqa pehn k niklain gai ya sarhi?????????
lolzzzz
@noman!
i can understand your mental condition and this kind of incoherent babbling.you spend more than one and half year in front of computer runned a smear campaign to settle some score but in the end…..
chatttttttttakhhhhhhhh
pattttttttttakhhhhhhhh
Q:khasiyani billi khamba nochti hey.khasiyana munafiq kia karta hey?
A: munafiq kabhi khasiyana naheen hota.woh hamesha gal sehlata,daant nikalta huwa kharha ho jata hey.
Was that a joke?
lolz danial
no its a serious discussion going on ….initiated by the most logical , competent rasikh ul aqeeda person on earth..
jawwad
why ru getting angry now?
accepted ur rasikh ul aqeeda cj will set him free
but i asked u a simple question
baki manda zindi burqa pehn k guzarein gai ya he wanna try sarhi this time???????????///
lolzzzzzz
u say same things to imam e kaaba and others scholars too as they share my view point?????????
bhai jab app inn logon ki izat nahi kar saktay tou im not surprised at all by ur swati sharaee galam galoch…
gud job !!!!!!!
but do answer next time.
khushi apni jaga lekin libas e fakhra ka tou sochna chahye…
and advice him brothels k liye bhi inhi courts mai jayein..inshallah insaaf ka bol bala ho ga.
lolz