Ever since the afternoon of the faithful day when in between the intense fighting at the Lal Masjid, the Pakistan Army victoriously announced the death of the head militant of Lal Masjid Maulana Ghazi Abdul Rashid. Watching the news reports come through on all news channels I did notice that everyone was refraining to tag his death as a Shahdat. For many non-Muslims reading this article, it might seem to be a trivial issue but to a Muslim it means a world of a difference. A simple naming terminology is of no consequence to the soul in this world but it means a phenomenal difference in life-here-after. Quite simply its a decision to be made by Allah for him on the day of the Judgment.
A shaheed is a title that is given to a Muslim after his death, if he died during the fulfillment of a religious commandment. For a moment lets forget the political issues surrounding the crisis, coming to the root of the issue it was Ghazi Abdul Rashid who was defending the integrity of Islam challenging the ineffectiveness of the government in implementing the sharia law hence allowing a progressive degradation of our society. Without doubt Right or Wrong Maulana Shazi Abdul Rashid was defending his place of worship and was fulfilling his religious duties in this process.
Shaheed is a title for a Muslim when he dies for Islam While on the other hand the aggressors (Pakistan Army) were overwhelmingly attacking the mosque to the extent of destroying a large portion of the property throughout the compound. Hence can easily be labeled as aggressors against Islam, which is probably the highest crime for a Muslim. The jawans may be following order but it must be remembered that if one of the jawans were to loose his life in battle against Islam cannot be labeled as a Shaheed simply because he was a Muslim.
I share with you an interesting email I received by Mr. M Javed Iqbal who portrays a very compelling argument, which actually also got me thinking about this important issue. I quote…
During the attack on Lal Masjid and Madarsah Hafsa a question that was repeatedly raised was ‘ Who is “Shaheed” and who is “Halak”.’
In my opinion the distinction is crystal clear. The mistake and mischief lies with the initiator. Who started knocking down masajid in the capital of Islamic Republic of Pakistan? If I am traveling and somebody open fires on me, I have a right to defend myself and fire back at him. Therefore we must understand that what Ghazi brothers did was in self defence. The pity is Mullahs of the country have been corrupted by Musharraf by offering nice salaries and perks to them, hence they failed to point out that the sanctity of a masjid was to be safeguarded at all costs. No Muslim can dare attack a masjid, because it is Allah house.
Accordingly security forces, army men and rangers who attacked Lal Masjid are jahunumi and the fighters of Lal Masjid are shuhdaa and shall Insha Allah Will be rewarded with Paradise. Each officer or jawan must have refused to obey illegal order of attacking a masjid. They could say: “Look sir ! we joined the army to protect the Masajid and save women and children, not for destroying and killing them”.
Since they gave preference to order of the officer over Order of Allah, they are mahluk and jahanumi.
The brave fight back of Ghazi Abdul Rashid is an eye opener. When most of the Mullas just talked he challenged the illegal and immoral acts of Musharraf regime of knocking down 90 year old masajid of Islamabad and kept fighting for the cause till death. On such noble death Mir has said:
Marge Majnun pe aqal gum hai Mir Most Mullas could not see this fine line and remained indifferent, although they could have raised hue and cry against desecration of masajid. We should not forget that Quran says “Allah is Most Powerful and Revengeful” Every party can see his image in this mirror!
Kiya Diwane ne maut pai hai !
Considering the issue, I feel convinced that the sad demise of Ghazi Abdul Rashid should be labeled as a Shaheed and full respect offered to the body in regards to its proper dignified burial. I would hold the Pakistani Army responsible to the extent of disobeying the Islamic Law to which they all have sworn to uphold.
He died defending the religion of Islam against the evil forces.
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1,044 responses to “Shaheed or Halak ? – Ghazi Abdul Rashid”
My opinion on the issue of Nilofer Bakhtiar is that she should have carried herself with more dignity and should not have done any such act even if it was to maintain any customary etiquette. Hugging, kissing or embracing a non-mehrum is not allowed in Islam. But the way this matter was brought to the attention of media was not appropriate. At first, it was reported that a fatwa has been issued by Shariah Court of Lal Masjid and then afterwards, Ghazi brothers said no decree against Nilofer Bakhtiar had been issued. But this fatwa matter brought a lot of publicity, which has definitely damaged the personal life of Nilofer Bakhtiar. Buraaee kee tush-heeer hueee aur jin logo ko iss ka nahee pata tha, oon-hon ne bhee isss tasweer ko dekha.
usman
muftis now a days dont have anything constructive to do.if he or somebody declares me a kafir may Allah the one n only and his prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) be my witnesses on the day of judgement n throw all these mufsadeen,munafaqeen,slanderers, liars and fasiqs into the flames of the deepest corner of hell….
mny renowned scholars agree that ghazi sahib ka tareeqa ghalat tha aur neyat thek. my position is very clear” neyaton ka haal sirf Allah janta hai” but ghalat tareeqay par they should be punished for all the crimes listed below:-
following acts for “a struggle to break the country free of shackles of a lawbreaker or “for the implementation of Shariah laws:
Illegal encroachment on a government land,
Illegal occupation of a childrens library,
Kidnapping and illegal confinement of women,
attack on businesses and forcing them to shut down,
Kidnapping of policemen,
Setting up parallel courts within a state against the laws of that state,
Kidnapping and illegal confinement of foreigners,
Snatching arms and equipments from security personnel,
Firing and killing security personnel,
damaging and burning, public and private property,
Keeping arms and ammunition in a mosque for no apparent reason,
not laying arms on the request of authorities and firing at security personnel during the leniency period of 5 full days,
keeping some of the people in Mosque without their consent and endangering their lives (also many of them got killed during the operation).
If so many people have died and everything is so obvious with so many indications, then why is anyone not going to court? Secondly, when it was repeatedly announced for continuously five days that people inside should come out, and they will not be harmed, then what is the justification of anyone still hiding inside OR they were being kept there against their own will.
( as pointed by ordinary pakistani n i agree)
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By nauman on Aug 24, 2007
nobody told them to remain inside.they were given enough opportunity n time to surrender
like others
(Dark cloud)
dear brother noman at least u should try …just a few times to speak the truth u will come to
know that it feals realy good…but u feal good lieing….(i am glad to see u happy in any case)
Allah told them to remain inside cuz they masjid is house of god and who ever takes refuge in house of god
acquires peace..there were ther before even u and me and they have a right to be there cuz of serving house of
god and his people,,,..the people who came out never surrendered ..they came out cuz of their relatives out side..
the love of relatives daughter father,…mother son…uncle son/…brother sister …over came them..
and allah allowed them to leave in holy quran…they never wanted to leave..a man came to the prophet PBUH and asked
“i wan to do jihad prophet said do u have mother he repplied yes peophet said go serve ur mother “…many mothers and fathers
were crying out for their children thats why Maulana allowed them to go after identifying their parents and relatives..
until his last breath maulana refused to surrender cuz he wasnt a criminal nor his students were..
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By nauman on Aug 24, 2007
u have the write to call anyone prostitute/jew /christian
(Dark cloud) when some one proclaims to be a muslim and does things like jews
and christians what do u call that muslism….u call him …u behave like a jew or a christian.
Prophet PBUH said”the difference between Islam and kufer is neglecting the prayers ” what does that mean
it means that if u even leave prayers and dont offer them u will look like a kafir kuz they also
dont offer prayers and go astry.similarly all pakistani banks deal in ribbah and jews gave this ideology to
the whole world …what do u call a muslims who deals in ribbah..Prophet PBUH said”woe to him who deals in ribbah
woe to him who takes it woe to him who gives it woe to him who records it ” that means if u record ribah transaction in the bank
Allah and his rasool curse on you …what do u call a muslim who deals in jewish buisness i.e ribah..no decieving people and lieing is also
a jewish tactic ….ur research is totally ill and one can clearly see ur hatred towards ghazee brothers and LaL shrine women and children.
even for sake of arrgument i accept ur point that Ghazee sahab commit a crime that doesnt mean that Allah cant forgive his crime..
the crime Allah will never forgive is Shirk..and many people in pakistan especially the government commits shirk every day bowing
down to USA and fullfilling their unjust duties..besides Ghazee sahibs crimes were alleged by government ….and the same government
allged Chudery Iftikhar to be wrong yet they failed again and again …did u check in to the matter of Ghazee brothers ur self.
have u been there to see which doccument was right and wich was wrong.Government people can bring what everthey want on media.how come u comprehend the facts provided by
the government ….supporters of lieing government are also big liers..in the eyes of currupt government good people
are crimianals ….as they say “one mans enemy is another mans freedom-fighter” i ask u again and again and again
that did u make investigation in to the matter before giving ur verdict against ghazee brothers …how many government people
did u interview and how many lal masjid people did u interview…i gave u sufficient examples that media
can be easily manipulated.so what ever u take from media u have to take it very carefuly why i quoted GEO interviews is that any unbiased
person can comprehend it that Ghazee brothers were just … as u never investigated the facts so u have
not even 0.001$ solid ground to support ur arrguments cuz u have taken all ur data from government spokesmen.
Army committed atrocities before and Army will continue to intervene further unless an external force act upon them that is from ALLAH.
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Baqee “Halaak shudgaan” seh izhar-e-taziat.
Courtesy: GeoTv
I tend to agree with DictatorshipWatch:
It has been confirmed that US is renting Pak army at $100 million. So, what is the Pakistani military defending for? The US occupation of Afghanistan. Who are they dying for? The warlords in the United States of America. So, are they dying as Muslims???????????? There is no Jihad. Pakistan has not been attacked. Are Pakistan’s mercenary soldiers dying for Allah? Are they shaheed?
Dark cloud
Asalam o Alaikum,
Look who is talking???????????????????????? Now we have to be branded muslims only if we support ghazi sahib,simple, by your standard aside from ghazi sahib and his supporters are now kuffar..sadia habib lies and “haq sahibs illogical deviousness gave your heart a lot of happiness but it is very difficult to argue/convince someone who does not believe in Quran but believes in a molvi.u said that lal mosque n each mosque is a house of God what a hinduistic concept!!!!!!!! Allah tou sari kaunat ka rab hai who kadir e mutliq hai,he is the greatest and cannot be confined to 4 walls. Your concept of giving a mosque the status of a shrine smacks of hinduistic belief of idol worship.please refrain from such “biddat.such concepts are unislamic.y shd only lal mosque be the sanctuary of islam.islam should be practiced the worldover.jihad is the way of Allah n his prophet([p.b.u.h) .the prophets greatest sunna was tableegh.he only spent 63 days in a state of war/jihad.out of 23 yrs of prophethood rest was all tableegh.
But for you and ppl like you tableegh is difficult.killing ppl n commiting crimes is easy.
Your argument n hadis u quoted is contradictory.u said that all those in lal masjid came out because their loved ones prevailed over them.my questions to you are
1. was maulana aziz called ,umme hassan n their kids called out by their loved ones?
2. at this moment more than 80 parents are searching for their kids ,a similar number through out the operation wanted their kids out but by your argument they defied the prophets hadith n died for a criminal cause.why?
3. all those who died inside were they with the permission of their parents?
4. i wan to do jihad prophet said do u have mother he repplied yes peophet said go serve ur mother “did ghazi brothers ask all their followers before defying the govt tht weather they have obtained permission from their families?
5. u urself have pointed out a ghair sharaee act of ghazee brothers they contradicted a saheeh hadith?????/
6. u say“Allah told them to remain inside cuz they masjid is house of god and who ever takes refuge in house of god ..are u by any means suggesting that ghaze was now getting wahi????????
your comments about shirk n kuffar are “laughable.if I believe you then by your definition ghazi sahib himself was a kafir( its not my opinion) coz, ghazi sahib faught in afghan jihad,funded solely through American money, how funny!!!!!!!!!! You yourself are branding ghazi as kafir.similarly ghazi sahib was using foreign weapons.some may have been manufactured by jews or Americans,u yourself are using the internet,now internet is used for pornography,banking n other illdeeds as u say.if all the bankers are kuffar then by ur definition ur also a kafir.please be logical!!!!!!!!!
I have already in my previous post highlighted that somebody from the ullema should atleast comeup with an alternate banking system but that is difficult because it would require efforts, research n a lot of time n brains.its easier to call someone a kafir,no effort takes one second and indicates that the person calling you a kafir has absolutely no brains.
You try to divert attention/focus by alleging that im a govt supporter.i stress again n again that im not for the govt.i have already in previous posts highlighted tht the govt handling of the situation was less than ideal but if the govt is wrong that does not mean that every thief or robber is correct.by your definition now we should sent the army to iraq as usa wants because the govt refused usa by an act of parliament but as u say they are wrong every time they are wrong in this case also. The govt shd also shut down the nuclear programme because usa wants it but it isnt doing soI believe u wud like it shut down too.
Dark cloud u need a hundred watt bulb to light the darkness in and around your brain..you allege tht I have not conducted independent research hahaha.im a person who is calling a spade a spade I say that the misdeeds of the govt should be taken to court n similarly the misdeeds of ghazi brothers shd also be taken in courtthis is being neutral but you accept all the propaganda from lal mosque supporters and anti govt sourcesyour research may be is simlar to sadia habibs
I have already asked you to defend ghazis acts in the light of quran n sunnah but u always try to confuse the issue.in my studies the prophet(p.b.u.h) never abducted a woman,never constructed a madrissa illegally,never killed a fellow muslim,never set fire to abu jahals house inspite of his repeated mazalims, your ghazi sahib has done all of the above n more.wow thats a true follower of the prophet(p.b.u.h).
I ask you why did ghazis so called jihad start when jamia hifza was put on notice???kia iss sai pehlay Pakistan mai tamam govt sharee thi ? moreover grade 16 ka naib khateeb tankhwa dar mulazim meaning part of a ghair sharee govt ..pls answer n provide records of ghazi sahibs not taking pay from a ghair sharaee govt that too from a bank which deals in ribba transactions.
You are a brave person because your position is based on lies and u know it but even than u r defending it.
U alleged that I hate those from the lal mosquebhai my religion (islam) does not allow hatredI pity them for being mislead and illserved,I also do not hate you even when u call me a kafir but I stand by my dua that all those who call me n others kafir should be punished in the hereafter.however u seem to hate the army.i ask you are those in the army aliens,armed forces have a strength of almost 1 million(combined) including police.the rank structure starts from a sepoy to a general/ig etcu hate them so much that u keep on calling 10 lac ppl for doing their duty kuffar.achay burray log tou har jaga hotay hain.in forces mai bhi burray logon ki tadad utni hi hai jitni in compl;ete society.but your hate n political vision has shut your brain to truth.
ASAD
Shame on you for abusing an institution as a whole.many of these soldiers serve in places where your mother would never allow you to go.a general may be ruling the country illegally but the soldiers who are at siachen in the dessert regions n other borders do not deserve such abuse.i dare you to spend one day in the service of this nation where your life is at risk but drawing room mai baith k ac k samnay tv dekhtay huway ap jaisay mohib e watan(patriotic) pak fauj k in sab jawans k liyey achi dua tou nahi kar saktay magar fashion mai in rehnay k liyay unko gali zaror nikalain gai.shame on you again!!!!!!!
NOTA
App ki tou kia hi bat hai.u agree with a foreign website which wants differences between the people of Pakistan n purposefully give such comments.in Afghanistan there is no pak soldier fighting with the Americans.waziristan tou hamara apna problem hai.apki car kabhi chori hui ho tou udar sai hi millay gee.baray mai smuggled items fata k farishtay hi latay hainheroine cultivators also live there.they dont pay a single tax nor even electricity bills yet they are really innocentif they are told to give up their weapons then its an attack on their culture.bill mango tou strike and put wapda offices to fire.how innocent these people are
But as dark cloud says “that Allah would forgive all crimes less shirk therefore all criminals in jails and all those who want to kill /rape/rob/abduct etc should now be happy coz ghazis jihad was actually for them.
Dark Cloud:
For you, all the people who do not agree with you are wrong.
You, on the other hand can easily label others as filth and prostitute without any evidence (as far as I know, in Islam, accusations like the one on Mrs. Shamim and Chinese should be witnessed by four righteous (rasikh-ul-aqeeda) muslims). A neutral person would suggest you that better to follow Shariah laws your self before demanding its implementation in the society.
You have not answered Naumans question: if some one alleges that your sister or mother is involved in immoral activities and take her to a mosque without her will and keep her there without her will, would you be happy about that? That she is being treated nicely and women of masjid are trying to “reprogram her mind with good teachings and after that she will be sent back to you with respect not humiliation. It would have to be done quietly to avoid media attention.
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You said to Miss Ayesha:
“i think u should wipe ur Face and brush ur teeth before even propagating ur bogus and ill Researched trash.u ask for “islamic logic yet i ask u have u ever Read quran beside the surahs of chapter 30 with translation and if U did how much. yes .and i forgot one thing more she needs holy water as well to purify her heart and soul..
and on the other hand told Nauman:
“Do u adress to ur mother and sister in the same mannerlike u are adressing to hersister sadia is a mazloom she is a victom.
I am sorry to say that this is hypocrisy.
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You said:
[ Dark Cloud>>> i never knew u wanted him dead so much.he never feared his life nor he ran away. Maulana Shah Abdul Aziz MNA told in hamid mirs program infront of eejaz-ul-haq that
a well reputed personality gave him a call and told him to wear bhurqa and come out along with other women in disguise so that they could easily take him away for nigociations with out any one being noticed .]
If for a moment, one accepts your statements, then question is Why Maulana Sahib wanted to have any secret negotiations when his supporters were ready to give up their lives. Secret negotiations for Shariat???
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You quote Media and MMA members wherever they support your stand:
[Dark Cloud>>>children were awarded with particles of tasbeeh penetrated into their innoscent eyes and faces..(Curtsy Maulana Shah Abdul Aziz [MNA] serhed stating facts in hamid meers progarm on GEO).],
[Dark Coud>>>Maulana Shah Abdul Aziz MNA told in hamid mirs program infront of eejaz-ul-haq that a well reputed personality gave him a call and told him to wear bhurqa and come out along with other women in disguise so that they could easily take him away for nigociations with out any one being noticed . (Curtsy GEO tv Hamid Mir programm).],
[Dark Cloud>>>all international media pictured And named chinese workers and antee shameem as prostitues .wana Check go to bbc cnn web sites],
[Dark Cloud>>>Also u missed ajj tv interviews with several people who negated the Things u are trying to implyfy the proof is there on media]
and then on the other hand you say:
[Dark Cloud>>>who in the heavons name told u that MMA and related parties are the ideal or examplery muslims. why did u even quote them as representators of islam by any means.instead they are the pure traitors and zalims the real culprits and full time Musheref supporters..they are among the deaf the dumb and the blind.total hypocrates and enemies of islam.],
[Dark Cloud>>>Government people can bring what everthey want on media.how come u comprehend the facts provided by the government],
[Dark Cloud>>>media was getting all the information from army cuz of curfew so there was no independent source at all and every one was relying on army sources]
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You recommend something about which you also dont have the complete knowledge: [Dark Cloud>>>> recommend u to reaad Dr ayeesha Sideeqis book “milatary INC.i my self got just its 1 or 2 pages from the www and have to read in full cuz its banned in pakistanu have to get it from uk .]
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Allah says:
“O you who believe, obey Allaah and obey His Messenger, and the people in authority among you. And if you dispute over anything, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger if you really believe in Allaah and the Last Day, that is best in terms of consequences. (4:59)
Allah Taala orders us to obey Allah , His Rasul [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and the Ulul amr (people of law). The Ulul amr are Muslim rulers. In this respect, to obey Muslim rulers is part of faith as that is the order of Allah . In order to be a Muslim, one should say Kalma and also believe in the basic aspects of Deen. For example, Salaat, Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] being the final Prophet of Allah , Zakaat, Hajj, etc.
If the governments of the Muslim countries do not rule by Shariah law, they are sinful but that does not take them out of the fold of Islam. Their un-Islamic activities could be major sins. However, that does not constitute Kufr. Declaring someone as a Kaafir is a sensitive issue and we should exercise precaution on that.
Who will decide that who is Kafir and who is not?
If in you opinion Government is kafir and unislamic, then what are your next plans? If there are majority Pakistani Muslims who support you, how many stand with you to wage Jihad against Government and army?
I also require some information for my own knowledge. Since you look so knowledgeable, please throw some light on: In Islamic Shariah, what would be the ways n means to govern? Would it be significantly different from democracy. How will a banking /financial system work. And whether all the sects will agree on all the minor details of the system which is in your mind?
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[Dark Cloud >>>the people who came out never surrendered ..they came out cuz of their relatives out side..the love of relatives daughter father,mother sonuncle son/brother sister over came them.]
Allah to judge who is lying but from your statement, it looks like that their love for their relatives was stronger than their will of Jihad.
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You should think with open mind without just defending Ghazi Sahibs actions blindly.
Is there no other learned, righteous mufti and aalim in Pakistan other than Ghazi brothers. If there are, then why are they not doing the same as Ghazi Sahib did.
Why, at the end, Ghazi Sahib wanted to leave everything, even his demand for islamic system in return for a safe passage. Now dont tell me that this is one side of picture. We heard it live on TV and we heard it from other respectable maulanas and alims who were involved in these negotiations.
Everyone saw students of Jamia Hafsa with batons and also some with guns, damaging the public and private property. They also put on fire a few government buildings in the process. What kind of Jihad was that?
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I have one question for all those who are now crying for Ghazi Sahib and his noble cause: where were all these people before and during the lal masjid incidence. If they support Ghazi Sahibs actions, they should have helped him and given their lives along with Ghazi Sahib. What had happened to them and their beliefs at that time. Why Ghazi Sahibs own brother escaped in burqa. Why didnt he fight along with other people when he was always preaching jihad and shahadat to his students. Is suicide bombing allowed in Islam as threatened by Ghazi. What was they thinking in the last so many years or should i say decades and why didnt they protest earlier against unislamic values in the society. Only when government asked them to remove illegal encroachment from government land, they started acting like this.
Teeth Maestro dont you have anyother issues to through a debate.
I think this is enough.
continuing ordinary pakistani arguement i quote an ayat from surat jumma ” aye emaan walo jab namaz ki azan ho jumma k din, tou Allah k zikr ki tarf doro aur khareedofarokht chor dou,ye tumharay liyay behtar hai agar tum jano,phir jab namaz ho chukay tou zameen mai phail jao aur Allah ka fazal talash karo,aur Allah ko boht yaad karo iss umeed par k falah pao aur jab unhon nai koi tijarat ya khail dekha is ki tarf chal diyay, aur tumhay khutbay mai khara chor gayay,tum farmao woh jo Allah k pass hai,khail sai aur tijarat sai behtar hai aur Allah ka rizq sab sai acha(verses9-11)
the friday lal mosque was open the followers of maulana aziz and ghazi rasheed( including their sisters) did not allow muslims to offer the friday prayers.this is a clear violation of the above mentioned ayats.islam should not be hostage to one or two maulanas.the khateeb brought by the govt was also a muslim.by following him or somebody else from amongst them jumma prayers could have been conducted but these political saviours of islam only wanted their khail tamasha of furthering their political cause…..may Allah have mercy on their souls.
I am very angry and depressed after reading the following news in today’s The News. And now I firmly believe that Musharraf and army are doing the right thing and they should have a major operation in the tribal areas and destroy all such militants because in my opinion, militant groups who are involved in suicide bombing, kidnapping and such killings are not Muslims but fasadees and should be destroyed with all the power. Let us assume for a moment that the whole army of 1 million and the Government (i dont know when these people talk about Government, they mean only parliamentarians or all the civil servants) are Kafir and such militants are fighting a Holy war, even then such heinous crimes have no justification based on Islamic teachings and as I said earlier that many ignorant people are playing in the hands of these cunning guys who call it a Holy war and use religion or money to carry out such acts with so much commitment.
[Courtesy: The NEWS
Video shows boy beheading Pak soldier
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: Pro-Taliban militants have released a video of an apparently teenage boy beheading one of 16 paramilitary soldiers kidnapped in a restive tribal area bordering Afghanistan.
The gruesome recording, a copy of which was obtained by AFP, will likely put further pressure on embattled US ally President Pervez Musharraf to crack down on Islamist violence in the Frontier region.
The 35-minute video entitled “Revenge first shows the 16 soldiers, all of them in uniform, who were taken hostage on August 9 in the South Waziristan tribal agency. Four teenage boys with Kalashnikov assault rifles, daggers and headbands with Jihadi slogans are then shown along with one of the soldiers kneeling in front of them. One boy cuts off the soldiers head, using a knife and holds it up for the camera. The soldiers body was recovered on August 14 from a nearby town.
The video shows the victim saying just before his death that “security forces should not fight against the Taliban. The military strongly condemned the video, saying it had not seen the recording but was aware of its existence. “It proves that they are terrorists. It is an act contrary to tribal customs and is also a cowardly act to kill an unarmed human being, chief military spokesman Major-General Waheed Arshad said. Negotiations are still under way to free the remaining soldiers as well as a military officer and three other officials who were kidnapped in South Waziristan on Friday.]
ofcourse ghazi rasheed was greastest martyer in pakistan history,he was the only one among 160 million people faithful enough to allah to sacrifice his life for cause of islam.
the people who are opposing him amaze me,either these people are too naive or they have inner hatred for islam,
ghazi rasheed was not a typical mullah,,,he did his masters in quaide azam university islamabad ,he even did job in uno.he was not an “extremist” and neither he was mad astaghfirullah.
actually he was very very sharp and wise,when allnation of pakistan was seeing the slaughter of true religious values of islam in pakistan and doing nothing ,at this time ghazi rasheed stood upa nd by giving away his life in allahs way he made all people of pakistan ashamed,ashamed of being so called muslims but doing nothing at all when islamic identity of pakistan is in grave dangera nd when our rulers are trying to make pakistan another turkey where even taking the name of islam is a crime
and those people in this forum who are insulting or defaming ghazi rasheed and laal mosque people,thy rmember one thing,they will be punished badly by allah.they should remember my words,one day in their lives they will know that its the truth,
allah hates those people who defame his dear persons,and shaheeds are very dear to allah
.ghazi brothers refreshed the sunnah of imam husain actually by standing against antiislam forces and giving away thir lives
Who is shaheed and who is not, Allah knows the best. But the actions of Ghazi Sahib in his last days have not painted a good picture of Islam in the eyes of people specially non-muslims. How a non-muslim who has seen the whole episode, would be impressed and think of converting to Islam. Islam is a religion of peace and not violence. Our Aalims and Muftis have always been telling that Islam has not spread through sword or by force. Always, people have converted to Islam after getting impressed from its teachings and believing that this is the whole truth and nothing else.
asalam o alaikum to all
i tend to agree with ordinary pakistani and would like to add tht for all of us the law provided to us by Allah is supreme.i would again stress upon ghazi sahib’s followers to prove his actions from sunnat and quran.
in my last post i had put few questions to dark cloud etc all of them are still unanswered
1. was maulana aziz called ,umme hassan n their kids called out by their loved ones?
2. at this moment more than 80 parents are searching for their kids ,a similar number through out the operation wanted their kids out but by your argument they defied the prophets hadith n died for a criminal cause.why?
3. all those who died inside were they with the permission of their parents?
4. i wan to do jihad prophet said do u have mother he repplied yes peophet said go serve ur mother “did ghazi brothers ask all their followers before defying the govt tht weather they have obtained permission from their families?
5. u urself have pointed out a ghair sharaee act of ghazee brothers they contradicted a saheeh hadith?????/
6. u say“Allah told them to remain inside cuz they masjid is house of god and who ever takes refuge in house of god ..are u by any means suggesting that ghaze was now getting wahi????????
there cannot be any doubt about the illegality of ghazi sahib’s actions as all of them were against the pakistan penal code but i believe tht his actions were immoral and unislamic also.
emotional slogans, jingoism and religious black mailing cannot and should not be made to over ride quran,sunnah,common sense and logic…
I have already asked you to defend ghazis acts in the light of quran n sunnah .in my studies the prophet(p.b.u.h) never abducted a woman,never constructed a madrissa illegally,never killed a fellow muslim,never set fire to abu jahals house inspite of his repeated mazalims, your ghazi sahib has done all of the above n more.wow thats a true follower of the prophet(p.b.u.h).
I ask you why did ghazis so called jihad start when jamia hifza was put on notice???kia iss sai pehlay Pakistan mai tamam govt sharee thi ?
dark cloud himself pointed out ghazi rasheed not following the sunnat……
” i want to do jihad prophet said do u have mother he repplied yes peophet said go serve ur mother “
did ghazi brothers ask all their followers
that they hv taken permission from their parents???????????????????????????????????
please explain all his actions i.e burning public/pvt property,slandering,abduction,killing in the light of quran n sunnat….
nobody on this blog has been able to explain it yet & im sure none would be able to do coz my Allah who is kadir e mutliq,rehman and raheem ( all praises are for Allah alone) is not with those who commit crimes.
asalam o Alaikum
dark cloud since 27th august has not been able to find ahadith, ayats supporting ghazi sahib’s actions…..haq ran away after 11th august…..sadia habib lies are also infront of you…..yet there are many on this blog who are and will be raising their voice to support ghazi sahib actions without any religious knowledge..few of them are kashif and usman…..they n others can be easily blackmailed in the name of religion…..our problem is that we havnt studied Quran and accept everything from ppl like ghazi rasheed who make us a fool in the name of religion …..
read quran n try to understand the message given in Quran….don’t believe what anybody tells u ,instead do your own independent study and research n find out the truth…..
dark cloud you have no answers for our ( me n ordinary pakistani) questions, neither u can prove ghazi correct by quoting any hadith so its better for you to accept the truth that ghazi rasheed was a criminal and nothing else….you should thank God that u were not part of his so called jihad hence did not join him n his followers in any criminal activity….( i do not intend to offend you)
may Allah save us from people like ghazi rasheed n help us in understanding Islam…….
I have read the comments by all. They are all fine. But the point is little worthless now that Mr Ghazi and many others are physically not amongst us. We always do something too late and the whole purpose of saving lives was lost in the case of attacking the House of God= the Lal Masjid. Now we are crying but what will happen. I agree with most comments that the government was aggressor here no doubt and should be labelled as munafiqin. But we can only talk and hope the new generation of Pakistanis will make us proud of being who we are as Pakistani. May Allah help them over come any or all obstacles that they may face. I join with all in praying for those brave Muslims who lost their lives while being attacked from outside. It’s unheard of that in a Muslim country (Pakistan), the government(also Muslim) attacks a House of Allah = Lal Masjid, killing so many people (also Muslims) inside the mosque.
yes i agree that precious lives were lost then again the responsibilty lies on ghazi rasheed for misguiding them…if he had surrendered along with his followers it wud hv avoided this bloodshed n yes govt could have handled it in a little sensible manner but im sure it wont have made any difference as mr ghazi was not supportive for any peaceful negotiations.
(Its unheard of that in a Muslim country (Pakistan), the government(also Muslim) attacks a House of Allah = Lal Masjid, killing so many people (also Muslims) inside the mosque.)
1. if somebody is involved in criminal activities in the mosque do u thinking he is giving respect to the mosque.mosque is not a temple and its a place where people pray before Allah.Allah is present everywhere
2. as pointed out by ordinary pakistani the person who does not follow shariat is demanding an implementaion of shariat..how funny!!!!!!!
(((join with all in praying for those brave Muslims who lost their lives while being attacked from outside. ))
we are bound by the holy Quran to pray for all muslims…the label of munafqeen is indicative of bias and a lack of objectivity.we should not judge by emotions but only by facts .
the lt col who embraced shihadat left behind a widow n two young daughters…all of those security personal left behind families whose greif is as hurting as for the families of those misguided muslims killed in the mosque. i will not use the word "munafiq" as thats for Allah to judge but i can say with conviction that many of those were criminals , some now have escaped under the cover of burqa and are calling themselves heroes……..we shd beware of such fake mullas whose sole purpose is fisad.
hak k fath he jo ghazi shaheed ho gia ye hemesh zandh raheen gee shaheed kabhe mirty naheen sab ko ghazi k rasty per chalna ho tab ja k hum muslaman ho sakeen gee ok aalah an ko janat meen jagh de aamen
saleem sahib,
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phir uss time app so rahay thay???????/ app bhi unkay naik kam mai unko join kartay idhar narray(slogans) marnay ki kia zarorat hai..
u said “sab ko ghazi k rasty per chalna ho tab ja k hum muslaman ho sakeen gee ”
tou bhai phir app kab muslim ho rahay hain???????????????/
Allah unkay gunnah maaf karay aur unko janat naseeb karay.( unko waqai dua ki zarorat hai takay unhon nai jo zulm kia hai Allah usko maaf kar dai)
apko bhi mai yehin kahun ga k please agar apkay ilm mai ho tou ghazi sahib k tamam actions i.e, burning public pvt property,slandering,abduction,killing,misguiding young people in name of jihad,illegal encroachment
etc ko explain karain Quran aur sunnat ki roshni mai…i.e, unhon nai jo yeh tamam naik kam injam diyay hain ….maybe im unaware , meray knowlede mai izafay k liyay prophet(p.b.u.h) ki sunnat sai aisay hi incidents quote karain with referenses………i would be waiting.
ha!!!!!!!!!
since i started posting on this blog im putting same question i.e supportive hadith n ayat for ghazi’s actions to all those favouring ghazi rasheed .i hvnt so far received any response so far instead, stupid kind of jingoism based on emotions rather than facts are made here…..
dark cloud n some other ppl on this blog were like what if auntie shamim or chinese girls were abducted…they were taken to mosque for reprogramming etc etc…..
my question to all those ppl is again ” what if ur sister is abducted in the same way n taken to mosque for guidance without her n ur consent u would be telling ur family/friends that our sister was a bad character lady …they have taken her for guidance .they will treat her nicely there is nothing wrong…….” bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!
even in the month of ramadan they cannot avoid their gulgapara…..whats so special about praying in lal masjid????????? just to create fuss n nothing else….if one is interested in ibadat he can go to any mosque.lal mosque is not the last n only place for prayers………..
release of some of the students by the supreme court is/will prove wrong…suicide bomber at ghazi yesterday was linked to lal mosque…….may be he was also doing jihad………
its just an indication of ignorance n lack of knowledge of Quran……….
p.s whoever wants to favour ghazi rasheed please do so but at the same time do give us knowlede about “ghazi rasheed actions in the light og quran n sunnat”( give me examples where prophet(p.b.u.h) slandered,abducted,killed muslims, set fire, lied etc)
coz only then ur post will be valuable if u support it with logic facts n examples from Quran n sunnat
Allah bless u all n happy ramadan to all of u
Ghazi brothers are not shaheed.
no doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Nauman no body will give u any answer maro gay tu pata chal jaey ga par kea hay keh bhut dair ho chuki ho gi….. tab wahan jawab lena tu lag pata jaey ga.
bhut dur nahee hay balkay bhut thora time hay aap ko answer milnay main……worry not wasay he rat ko neend disturb na karo… shabash……bhut saron ko mil chuka hay jawab aap ko b mil jaey ga. yun he soch soch kar parashan kea hona hay na na.. balkay aik kam karo army say pocho woh b ab thora thora jawab day latay hain…
WELL I THINK IT IS A SERIOUS TOPIC AND BLOG SHOULD ALSO CONTAIN SOMETHING , I AM DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE VAGUE COMMENTS OF SAADIA HABIB ON THE TOPIC , I THINK THIS TYPE OF ROMAN URDU SCRIPT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER IN A SERIOUS TOPIC LIKE THE ONE , WE ARE READING.
yes sadia habib u r very right…. i hv no doubt on illegality n criminal n sinful acts of ghazi rasheed and his supporters…..
you are a lier ….i have pointed ur biggest lie on the blog so scroll above n read …..””were u the student of jamia hifza or ur cousins??????????”” atleast u try to find out the truth…i think neither u nor ur cousins were part of that game…u just wanted sympathies thtsy u pretented to be part of this…..
don’t worry respected sadia habib im not at all worried n sleeping quite well mashallah…..
yes everybody would be answerable to Allah on day of judgement…i ask forgiveness from Allah in this holy month of ramadan and also ask forgiveness and guidance for misguided muslims like you.
well friends yet again one another post full of taunt n meaningless gossip…..no hadith or ayat still so far to support the arguement.
i do not intend to offend anybody of you including who are in disagreement with me on the topic but if somebody is hurt with any of my post i ask for forgiveness!!!!!!!
He is INSHALLAH shaeed.mayAllah bless him.i have one quition that what abnout army death. they did als only duty.what is with them.
haey noman bahi aap ko tu aag he lag gae…. plz zada na sarain……. wasay be aap jasy log sar sar kar mar jatay hain 😀
haey Allah jeee. Nauman bahi aap tu sar he gaey.. koi bat naheen sartay rahin does not matter for any body…. lolzzzzzzzzz…….
i dont need to prov u that i was student of that jamia..mujay logon say concern nahee mera Allah mujay janta aur daikhta hay..simpathay aur tum logon say hahahahahah. very funny for me.. 2nd aap logon ki simpathay army kay sath hay aur we are agaist them. go a haed baby and pamper them who were supose to protect u.. Hamaray leay hamara Allah bhut kafi hay…. got it now…..ab shayad main na jwab day sakon coz mara result a chuka hay.. aur main aik aur jamia main jo esi ki branch hay wahan ja rahi hoon.. jab moqa mila jawab zaroor doon gi…
All Muslim know that the lal masjid Tiger Abdur Reshid Ghazi is Shaheed he not kill because he work in the lal masjid for Islam All the pakistani know that the General Musharaf is a Rober its mean Dako he is Enemy of Islam and Pakistan If he was slected for more five years he was dengerious for pakistan and Islam.
Musharaf is Dog and All the senior staff of Minister of Interior is his sons and they are son of butch
Ghazi brother are Sheede Islam And Sheed Pakistan Musharaf is very Cruel and work for America because the bush is his father
Nauman and others, who are bound to prove MUSH a Momin.
MUSH is a mini-Dajjal, just a blind follower of his Master, a-lil-bigger-Dajjal.
All the progress he claims is funny itself. Do people not know who can’t get electricity 24 hours a day and don’t have water to drink.
All the fancy cars you see are on loans through micro-financing.
Instead of credit, MUSH should be punished as he has put the whole nation into debts and debts just like his Master.
Just waiting to see MUSH running his gas station in TX.
sadia G
y would i be jealous of u…i have proved u a lier on this blog and u urself by ur way/tone of addressing me have proved that ur nothing more than an illeterate cheap person.while ur completeing ur education do learn some manners.if this kind of language n tone u use to spread islam im sorry to say its really impolite and harsh…i dont need proofs from you of being student of jamia hafza….your two contradicting post are the biggest proof to prove u wrong.
as far as ur technique of running away from this blog iz concerned its similar to that of haq and dark cloud…..my question remains unanswered…..
tiger, abbass , yet another paki
u abuse musharraf and are obviously politically against him. i have already in my previous posts clarified that this blog is not about politics.the question is weather ghazi sahib actions were islamic?i dare say they were not.musharraf politics maybe wrong but his being wrong does not make ghazi correct.the only shohda in that scenerio were the 14 security personal and the innocent cameraman and civillians passing by who were killed due to no fault of their own.most of them were doing their duty. if abducting chinese , burning buildings, accusing /abducting women, keeping arms in a mosque,making students hostage and corrupting young minds and lying on various occassions on tv etc and wearing burqa to run away are services to islam then lets all do it!!!!!!!!!!
may allah have mercy on us…..
as far as dajjal is concerned who r u to term anyone dajal?do u have wahi? how can u claim?
i again say give me ayat n ahadith of the crime comitted by ghazi….you cannot do it……calling musharraf kafir /jew etc can not make ghazi sahib or burqaposh molvi correct…..
By Dark Cloud on Aug 27, 2007 | Reply
“i wan to do jihad prophet said do u have mother he repplied yes peophet said go serve ur mother “many mothers and fathers
were crying out for their children thats why Maulana allowed them to go after identifying their parents and relatives..”
basically supporter of mr ghazi rasheed himself pointed out the ghair sharaee act of ghazi brothers…..this incident in which prophet (p.b.u.h) did not allow the boy to go for jihad without parents permission or making it clear serving your poor old parents is a jihad itself.
i hv said these things earlier but let me say it again:-
* ghazi sahib asked the students that they were allowed by their parents to do this so called jihad against fellow muslims?
* why burqa posh molvi , his wife surrendered ….they were not called out by their loved ones
on tv channels the interview of the jamia hifza students were shown throughout the operation…..they all were crying like anything and complaining that they did not know what ghazi sahib did to spoil their kids brain…they just sent their children to get islamic knowledge but ghazi sahib without their parents concern involved them in these illegal activities…..
* ghazi sahib responsible of betraying the trust of the parents who gave their children to jamia hifza for knowledge about islam….ghazi brothers instead used them for their own private matters and used them as hostage.
* islam does not allow any body to pay zakat from stolen money….in the same way one cannot perform jihad when his means and basis are wrong from the day 1.
* all those people and muftis who declare me or any other person against ghazi brorthers as kafir should have participated in that so called jihad…..if u all are supporting him then y dont u hv guts to do the same….i know why is it so? coz the answer is very simple its difficult to call them doing criminal activities in the name of islam but your subconcious somehow believe that they were wrong.
* as far as musharraf is concerned i have disagreement on various issues like cj, nawaz sharif, uniform etc etc…..but the operation wasnt wrong …it was necessarry….yes it was imp but the govt is responsible for their lack of knowledge about the presence of weapons inside the mosque….again they could have handled the situation in some other better way but again we cannot deny the fact that the ghazi brothers till last day of operation was invited for negotiations…..ghazi did not give his life for cause of islam…it was his ego tht did not allow him to surrender…….n just tell me by the death of of ghazi rasheed n his companions to what extent shariat is implemented in pakistan???????????????
y not a single molvi continued the so called jihad by ghazi rasheed??????????????????
not even u who are supporting ghazi?????????????
if any politician calls for a strike, or go about in destroying public private property i.e burning buildings, cars ( last yr feb on issue of nawuzu billah prophet’s ( p.b.u.h) cartoons in a newspaper)…..u will see everybody had joined them but in this case nobody did…..
* still i will not call ghazi rasheed and his supporters as kafir, dijal, bush ka chamcha aur any other abusive word.
i will not do so coz Allah does not allow us to do this….its a sin……..
anyways frndz the issue is quite clear…there is nothing much left on which one can argue…..but my request is please support ur posts logically correct i.e about any crime which ghazi did should be supported by a similar hadith or ayat……the ayats which dark clour reffered were out of context and he misunderstood them and i clarified him….since 27th aug he could not come up with any other hadith or ayat but unfortunately pinpointed the biggest sin of ghazi for using children for his own private benefits without their parents consent.
Allah bless u all and sadia g Allah give u the courage to speak the truth!!!
TM: Thoroughly disappointing. In your angst against the current government and army, you have framed an argument that is glorifying a bunch of people with no legitimate qualification to represent our religion, who, in fact, in their ignorance are demolishing the spirit and light of our religion. How would they be able to uplift the moral degradation of society? That is a naive and convenient argument for you to use against those you despise.
Do you know that it was another military dictator, Gen Zia-ul-Haq, who had initiated the emphasis on Sharia within society as law to cover up his questionable execution of a legitimate prime minister? It was the perfect cover for him and its consequences have been far reaching. You really ought to check your primary sources to ensure they align with your general claims and views. It also acted as a catalyst to the ensuing inflood of Afghans and pashtuns with their tribal and wrongly placed versions of Islam. And now you, an educated man of the world, are easily falling prey to these products of times and events which have long ago left the path to right and good. Things are a mess, a big mess, but we set ourselves up for a fall when we reach for empty illusions as a solution (as you do when you think that the Lalmasjid crowd was the moral salvation of us all before venturing to gauge their legitimacy or intent or even right).
The repressed ones (such as the ill qualified, bearded so called ulema) are often the most morally degraded. We all have to find our own way and sadly their is no one group to turn to to help us (with the exception of Abdus Sattar).
I ran into your blog two days ago, and expected more from you given your qualifications and life exposures. I think I shall now not be quite as intent to follow your posts.
Good day.
disappointed:
im convinced and appreciate your point of view!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eid mubarik to all of you!!!!!!!!!
Mar gaya mardood
na salam na dorood
Umar Kuta ka pataho par lanat ba shumar
thI ran into your blog two days ago, and expected more from you given your qualifications and life exposures. I think I shall now not be quite as intent to follow your posts
Assalam.o.Alikum to all Muslim Brothers. As there is discussion going on and the purpose of this discussion is to decide whether Gazi Abdur Rasheed is SHAHEED or NOT??? Just waana say,
” Apna AAMAAL daikhoo , apna KARTOOT daikhoo phir baat karoo. Hamaari zindagi main DEEN naam ki koi cheez hai hi nahee aur HUM un k BAARA main BAAT ker rha hain Joo aaj ka is PUR-FATEN dooor main bhee DEEN per AMEL kerna waala tha. Actually , joo is HAADSA main SHAHEED hua , woo hamaara apna nahee tha. Ager un main sa koi hamaari BAHEN hooti to main daikhta koon yahaan per aa ker is tareh DISCUSSION kerta. SHAME ON US ! ! !
Allah ka shukar hai meray janay walay apna dimagh istimal kartay hain woh inn criminal activities mai involve ho hi nahi saktay…..inko shaheed kehna waqai sharam ki bat hai.i agree!!!!!!!!!!!!
nauman
Sorry to say, ” Yahan per to DILOON ka haal jaanna waala Moojood Hain”.
dilon ka haal janay wala Allah hai aur woh har jaga mojood hai…..Allah has given us Quran for guidance and brain to judge right and wrong…..ur oneanother person who is emotionally black mailed in the name of religion….if u read above i have quoted u several incidents, ayats to support my arguement…..none of u can answer my questions yet u claim ghazi sahib was a hero…mr ghazi died coz of his ego…..i dont want to start over again…the issue is quite clear…u just need ur brain to judge rite n wrong
I will SALUTE CRUSADERS and JEWS for such a great work to involve us in these types of DISCUSSION.
SALUTE ONCE AGAIN
in my point of view ghazi abdur rsaheed fight the name of islam if any person fight the sovernity of islam and he died he is SHAHEED so ghazi abdur rashhed is shaheed
suicide bombers are then shaheed as well as they do it in the name of islam.