Since last night when hell broke loose in Mumbai, I, like millions of people across the world remained in a state of shock watching the events unfold on TV, it for many may have been like a prime time blockbuster film being recorded on the streets of Mumbai, a coordinated attack in seven locations seemed to be a perfect Hollywood script but the difference here was that it was ‘real blood and real people’, not funny in the least bit. Tired and deranged of hearing the same depressing news coming out of India I gave up watching the updates late last night. A special shout out to Dina Mehta, Vani [Flickr images] & many others who were the eyes and ears for millions of people across the world, out doing the main stream media in their brief 140 character SMS messges to the twitter network, these real updates were probably the only life line the world had with Mumbai otherwise it was a ghost town with terrorists on a rampage
What has also sadly transpired within the following day is that the ‘official’ blame game circus is in full swing, contrary to my initial message where I expressed my relief that Pakistan was not being blamed since Deccan Mujahideen were taking the blame, but much to my dismay the good news [?] was short lived and very soon the Indian government was livid at the Pakistani intelligence agencies for having masterminded this attack, in all honesty it might even had been the ISI [ironically we cant trust them either] but whosoever created the mess, Indian or Pakistanis it must be condemned at all costs.
What worries me now is that the mess that we just saw in Mumbai in the last few hours literally pales in comparison of what might be brewing up in Karachi now, tensions between the few ethnic groups have reached an unimaginable and dangerous proportions and I, like many Karachitties, worry that if God Forbid such an incident were to happen its going to be far worse then Mumbai and then do we conveniently point fingers back to India, [which I feel our bureaucracy will do anyway].
Hence you realize the dilemma, the finger pointing session has a tendency to continue endlessly with no probable solution and the terrorists will continue to terrorize us all and make our lives miserable while each side will continue to deliberately fuel the rouge elements to seek revenge. I feel, like educated people, its time that we must work together, the borders between the two countries must disappear, the people must join hands and stand up together, no more Indian, no more Pakistani, quite simply we must join hands for the sake of humanity and say STOP
As a Pakistani I genuinely sit down and pray for the well being of each and every Indian who may have suffered on 26th November and hope that you have the courage to rebuild Mumbai from this disaster, Mumbai is bound to rebound and I hope it rebounds to achieve far greater heights then every before. Living in Karachi we too have been through one too many similar disasters and it is the resolve and commitment of the citizens that bring life back into the ciry, each citizen pitches in to pick up the ashes, help the wounded and nudge the city back into existence. Bottom lins is that the finger pointing session has to stop as unsurprisingly it has never led to any solution.
Mumbai I must assure you despite our differences many peace loving Pakistanis have shed a tear with you on the 26th our heart bleeds with you lets do join hands and shoulder each other back to life. Build bridges, Mumbai we are with you all the way
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154 responses to “Mumbai Under Attack & Pakistan to blame”
Read this book called ‘Curfewed Nights’ by Basharat Peer a Journalist in Kashmir. Started reading it couple of days, it is a neutral account in form of a Novel about a Kashmiri teenager in 1989 and how He grows amidst terror attacks and Army deployment.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/fineprint–curfewed-night-a-memoir-on-kashmir/78255-9.html
Perception is perception. Many times it proved to be wrong.
No society can afford to have a judicial system works on general perception
Perceptions can not be the alternative of the justice based on concrete evidence especially when it comes to delicate and sensitive international relations like indo-Pak with potential of nuclear war.
The second gulf war is the living and present example of perception. When George bush and his cronies built a general perception that Iraq has connection with al Qaida and possess WMD’s to achieve their loathful goals and later proved wrong and result……..is in front of every one no need to say anything.
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Either you are too naive or you are trying to be smart.
The interview you are quoting is about the internal problems of Pakistan. Political wing has nothing to do with India.
“And this is not a problem in India, religious riots are problem in whole of south Asia,more people have been killed in Shia-Sunni riots than in riots in India.”
Again I am sorry to say that ethnic cleansing is purely an Indian phenomenon. There is absolutely no hatred between Shia or Sunni population In Pakistan or any where else in south asia. What we see is some unknown terrorist carry out terrorist attack against innocent people of other sect. You will never see a group of mobs carrying weapons killing the people and burning the property of the people of other sect: or religion in Pakistan or any other country of south Asia.
http://www.urdunet.com/gujarat/gujaratphotos.htm
http://www.kashmiris.org/humanRights.htm
samjhota train blasts as there was a “GENRAL PERCEPTION” that it was done by ISI
http://newsx.com/story/35168
an eye openere for those who believe in general perception
http://www.countercurrents.org/hr-mukherji201006.htm
more about athnic cleansing in kashmir.one horrible detail report of human rights violation in kashmir
http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/SITHUMAN.htm
Guys Guys,…
Instead of fighting over sensitive matters like religion and pasting URLs from the internet ,..try to think about your life,..your future,..your country.
Internet is full of bullshit and If one writer writes HEAVEN IS HELL ,.the other one writes HELL IS HEAVEN.
Both countries have their own pros and cons…and stop fighting over religion.JEEZZ!.Educated enough to write in english and this is what you do!???.
Try to strengthen your country by doing something usefull,..try to stay together,…and pray for the ppl who lost their lives,.be it India or Pakistan or Timbuktu!.
And please dont rely too much on internet.Believe what you see,…Believe only when you know that its believable.
F the indian ,pakistani politicians who play with the spirit of their country men.!!.
DAMN!…Getta life guys!..Seriously.
No offence meant to any Indian or Pakistani.
@Indian
you are right you have right to retaliate but u are missing The point it is us who will bomb u again as relaliation be cause you keep destroying our peace. Indian Govt from Ghandi to NEHRU and their descedents have never accepted Pakistan and from day one they are doing thier best to destablise us.
@Ashish
Reading few comments U said peace in Indian punjab is because govt dealt SIKHS with iron hand.hmmmmmm
I thought their was treaty but as u tell me either they sold their souls or they are cowards ( we thought they are brave punjabis).
SO U HINDUS CRUSHED SIKHS…….I any sikh reading this to through away their Karpan.
I am a hindu.I want to address a muslim friend,about the problems with us.To my mind the main problem is our being Hindu and Muslim.And from that stand, we are trying to solve our problems.Imagine I am not a Hindu and you are not the Muslim.Our problems are the problems of two human beings.Simple …very simple…easy to solve.We will understand each other in better way.
All identities result into bloody conflict.Religious…national …social or whatever
Cant we humans live without allthese identities? Or only withw one identity ie HUMAN BEING
RAB E ASHAR LI SADRI WA YASRLI MIN AMRI
For everyone and all faiths
I totally agree with gk. What WORLD saying and raising slogan of Humanity Islam raised long time ago.
That what ISLAM teaches
1. ONE GOD:
THERE IS NO GOD BUT ONE ALLAH – so why differ this is original message in most known religions but has been distorted.
2. ONE LAST PROPHET:
ONE LAST PROPHET MOHAMMED pbuh WHO IS NOT only FOR MUSLIMS BUT FOR WHOLE HUMAN RACE.
3.ONE QURAN
There is One Last book from Allah which is QURAN which testifies all Prophets and Holy books before this and also laid down principals to live life defining rights and obligations for everyone.
All human beings are equal and one who discriminate on grounds color,creed,riches or race will perish.
Man and women are equal and have rights and obligation and duties towards each other.
Respect and help your neighbours, elders, children, poor, orphans and donot breach anyones rights.
If you see any wrong doing stop by force ( if have ability ), if cannot speak against it and even not that than feel in your heart.
Keep striving for rights of Allah and rights for mankind.
Are we clear who has many gods and goddess, different faiths , holy books full of fights, wars,mythology,castes, races, status stating prophets companion as prostitutes even to dated and based on mere blind faith.
World in name of modernisation going backwards e.g. institution of marriage has been abused it was stone age when a man and a women use to live with declaring man and wife and each other were open to anyone and change partners – this is still practised in savage tribes of africa.In old civilisation and cultured world that is our ancestors was known as adultary or debauchaory.
In this modern world prostitutes are in trouble because thy donot know how to dress to attract customers as nowadays every other women is dressing and acting like that and are even sold on a cigarette.
This what we muslims are fighting and striving for, just delivering a message and fulfilling our duty bestowed upon us.
Prophet Muhammad’s Last Sermon
Date delivered: 632 A.C., 9th day of Dhul al Hijjah, 10 A.H. in the ‘Uranah valley of Mount Arafat.
After praising, and thanking God, he said: “O People, listen well to my words, for I do not know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.
O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Treat others justly so that no one would be unjust to you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (riba), therefore all riba obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital , however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer inequity. God has judged that there shall be no riba and that all the riba due to `Abbas ibn `Abd al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived.
Every right arising out of homicide in pre-Islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that I waive is that arising from the murder of Rabi`ah ibn al Harith ibn `Abd al Muttalib.
O Men, the Unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order to make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God has made permissible. With God the months are twelve in number. Four of them are sacred, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Sha`ban. Beware of the devil, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights over your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God’s trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. It is your right and they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste…
O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God (The One Creator of the Universe), perform your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your financial obligation (zakah) of your wealth. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the QUR’AN*) and my SUNNAH (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Prophet), if you follow them you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.
sorry, little bit of the topic, has anyone actually checked whether all 12 or 16 terrorists killed and captured in Bombay drama were circumcised? that would have explained a lot;)
Please stop your islamic propaganda…that does not resolve anything!
hey indian ,when r u gonna stop ur blamin,propaganda but there is a lot’f diff ur’s is a propaganda and ISLAM its the solution for da mankind ,no comparison ,simply mindblowin’ dear .
@Indian
This FRUSTRATION in your comment just proves that u guys are intolerent and injust …….and your words are mere sweet coatings only weak will be misguided.
No problem its you who are suffering and will suffer more….
I dare you in the name of Allah to bring something like Quran from any of your book.
@Indian
Not the right place to discuss. I was surprised to see response in these blogs which were contrary to views I got from distant relatives and friends in Pakistan.
This blog seems to be run by same people bringing bad name to Islam and to their own country, Pakistan.
Don’t believe whatever being said on these blogs is true representation of Islam or Pakistan. For a healthy discussion with real Pakistani people visit http://www.paklinks.com/gs/
Dear Syed,
I am not surprised to see your comment. This what most of the muslims have turned into mostly Indians.
Now preaching Islam and telling people to come to right path is wrong and unhealthy.
Telling people not to do Idol worshiping is wrong calling them to come to peace is unhealthy.
Helping the oppressed and poor is unhealthy.
Demanding Justice is unhealthy.
Killing innocent is unhealthy.( Kashmir, bengal, assam, punjab, palestine )
Telling EVIL is evil is unhealthy.
It is not war of Pakistan or hindustan it is Islam and non believers. But Muslims are not initiators.
‘ Muslims are like a body if one part aches/suffers whole body feels the pain.’- Hadith Bukhari.
In Islam eye for an eye, limb for limb, life for life. we havenot even done full count of 1947 but we foregave which is even better.What we get they kill more.
Syed those were your ancestors who brought islam here we are following what they taught but you have forgotten it.
“On day of judgement you will be raised you die with ……..not only in body but heart as well.”
Dil Mard Momim Mein Phir Zinda Kar Day
Wo Bijli Kay Thi Nara La Tazar Mein
Azaim Ko Seenon Mein Baidar Kar Day
Nigha e Musalman Ko Talwar Kar day
Pakistani’s like Indians and has been forgiving them but……… THEY ALWAYS BREAK THE TRUST.
@syed
Just look at the comment of indian
Islam is just a propaganda
And what it makes you ‘pos’ or blind.
First it was Deccan Mujahidin now its Kashmiri link a muslim policeman……
To me its like a cheap bollywood movie plot.
Wakeup brother wakeup.
i dont know why anyone is fighting about this…
why would Pakistan give any of their own people away without any proof? and guess what the media doesn’t count.. its funny how some people are so hallucinated by their own media.. they cant see past it.. saddest part though is that the whole world is on India’s media’s side.. while Pakistan is just trying to follow the proper procedures. think about it people if one of your family member did something bad.. would you just hand them over t the police or would you not investigate first.. or ask some evidence from the police?
i hope the media gets their common sense back soon because people are dying its not just about some celebrity being anorexic anymore.
http://ugghani.blogspot.com/2008/12/deja-vu-of-samjhuta-malagaon-rdx-and.html
we will do are die for our country
That’s what Mahatma Gandhi said, right.
Great, So will we and that will be end of South Asia 🙂
Alternative, lets kill all terrorists and Indians and Pakistanis can live happily ever after…
Dear Syed,
If you want peace in India tell your Gov. and your people to stop
sending terriorist in Balochistan, NWFP and Afghanistan.Tell them stop killings in Kashmiries.
OUR Govt is weak but we are not.
70% of caught militants (so called taliban) in Pakisatn are either non muslims and Hindus.
May I ask where a hindu is trained? I tell u in Hindustan.
It is very simple as A muslim who can die for Islam who says his prayers even in shadow of bombs and bullets how can he blast a mosque.
Only a HINDU/or Islam hating person can do that.
Secondily, Our Role model is Mohammed (pbuh).
Have a glimpse of your role model Mahatama Pitta sharif ‘Ghandi’ in my following post because He is the Grate……….
I hope all of u are following him in all his manners
DEAR INDIANS & SYED
“LIFE OF MOHANDAS GHANDI”
ACTUAL QUOTES ON GANDHI’S RACISM:
The Durban Post Office: One of Gandhi’s major “achievements” in South Africa was to promote racial segregation by refusing to share a post office door with the black natives.
“A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.” [local native of South Africa] (Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150)
Regarding forcible registration with the state of blacks: “One can understand the necessity for registration of Kaffirs [local native of South Africa] who will not work.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, p. 105)
“Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension…the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs [local native of South Africa] from the Location.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, pp. 244-245)
Gandhi’s description of black inmates: “Only a degree removed from the animal.” Also, “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.” – Mar. 7, 1908 (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)
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My meaning of brahmacharya is this: “One who never has any lustful intention, who . . . has become capable of lying naked with naked women . . . without being in any manner whatsoever sexually excited.” –M. K. Gandhi
The greater the temptation, the greater the renunciation. –M. K. Gandhi
I threw you in the sacrificial fire and you emerged safe and sound. –Gandhi to his grandniece Manu Gandhi
I can hurt colleagues and the entire world for the sake of truth. –M. K. Gandhi (letter to shila Nayar)
[Gandhi] can think only in extremes-either extreme eroticism or asceticism. –Jawaharlal Nehru
The professional Don Juan destroys his spirit as fatally as does the professional ascetic, whose [mirror] image he is. –Aldous Huxley, Do What You Will
If gandhi was alive today, he would be arrested for sexual abuse and put away for life as a sexual offender.
“We know from his autobiography how shamefully he treated his wife. He was transparently honest and he had much less to hide from anyone else. Nothing can be found if other public figures are to be scrutinized because things have been carefully hidden and suppressed.” Gandhi, the family man. Gandhi’s Grandson.
0. Gandhi used to beat his wife up routinely.
0. Gandhi was having sex when his father lay breathing his last upstairs.
0. Gandhi denied sex to his wife for decades
0. Gandhi was an adulterer and had a spiritual marriage with two British women who were in the Ashram
0. Gandhi slept naked with his niece (and 12 year old girls) and other women to prove that he could control his manliness.
0. Gandhi would do enemas twice a day and if he liked you allowed you to enter the piece up his rectum.
0. Gandhi used to drink his own urine and also the urine of cows.
0. Chilled Urine drinking hot in India. From Gandhi to Prime Minister Desai to common man Hindu India: A gift from the Hindu Gods:Cows Urine: UK Telegraph reports by Julian West
0. Gandhi son left him and converted to Islam
0. The racist Gandhi was a total failure in South Africa where he tried to stratify the society, Whites, Indians and Africans. His racism towards the Africans was horrendous. His horrific advice to all Jews to commit suicide was abomible. His atrocious letters to his friend Hitler were the height of stupidiy.
THESE ARE NOT MINE OR ANY MUSLIMS QOUTES.if donot believe read books your self.
I quote below an opinion on secularism as expressed by Nehru in his letter to Mohammed Ali Jinnah dated April 6, 1937:
“The fixing of the Muslims’ share in the state services by statutory enactment necessarily involves the fixing of shares of other groups and communities similarly. This would mean a rigid and compartmental state structure which will impede progress and development.”
Nehru obviously considered secularism an article of faith rather than a matter of convenience.
SO MINORITIES ARE OBSTRUCTIVE TO PROGRESS AND DEVELOPMENT –
I have nothing against Gandhi but he seriously hated muslims and believed that India was a nation just for hindus. Why would people leave their homelands if they didnt think that it could get better for them in India? Gandhi was a huge racist and its sad to know that thousands of people bought into his fakeness. A lot of injustice has always been done to Muslims in India and stats give that away.
Mullahs and sheiks of oil rich countries needs some entertainment time to time part of their lxurious life. apart from their usual immoral lives with many wifes and concubines. they want to entertain themselves with some fire works..let be it newyork,madrid,islamabad,or mumbai…they along with all sympothize muslims seems enjoy themselves watching it like a video game.after all its written in koran to wage war with unbelievers.they are the real culprits who fund them in the name of islam.these behind the scene players must be brought to justice.
Dear Prince
I am Raja so something in common.
well u again depicted very fairly ideology hindustan
ABUSE ,ACCUSE,REFUSE.
It is these Mullah’s and sheiks who made u cultered
otherwise
either u would be drinking urine- like m k ghandi and vajpai
or ur women burnt alive ( sati) for an immoral man
or dancing half / full naked for a male offspring or money in front of brahaman priest who after making her drunk giving her child by riding her.
or satisfying four or five brothers ( may be village) at a time.(Indra Ghandi slept with her music master, cheif minister and cocubine husband – by force or choice perhaps Hindu men are not good enough to satisfy one women)
or in name of being a bharamcharia sleeping naked with his neice (Ghandi slept with his 12 yr neice )
or a SHUDRA like u would not be allowed use ur wife till ur rajput king or Bharaman priest test her first and say ok.
It is in Islam that a slave sits and eats besides his master.And a slave can becomea king e.g. Sultan Al Tatamush
Piece of Advice: Before writing anything bad about just see what you are yourselves.
You forgot biggest sin that Gandhi committed, that cost him his life was 50 crore Indian rupee additional grant to Pakistan, which in today’s terms is 300,000 crore rupees.
As for comparison between Hindu and Muslim being a Muslim brought up in India you can find negative elements in both religions. And as a Muslim I accept that there are more Muslim Fanatics than Hindus in the world. A religion has to be flexible enough to survive and change with times, which is what some fanatics don’t want to happen.
I am impressed by Shahrukh Khan on his views regarding religion, that is what every Hindu and Muslim need to learn.
Q: AR Rahman called you an ‘ambassador of Islam’. What is your perspective for someone to be an ambassador of any faith?
Shah Rukh: Being a model for any religion is not the right thing to be. Religion is a language to seek truth, and each language stands self-sufficient. One language does not express the truth better than any other. Religion to me is personal. Like parents’ memories. I have my father’s specs with me. Karan also has his father’s specs with him. But I can’t say my father’s specs are better than your father’s – how can you do that!
Q: Then how does something so personal become a topic of public dispute?
Shah Rukh: Religion actually is a discipline, a way to do things. It does not equate with spirituality. You become spiritual by believing in the power of Supreme Being. Religion guides you to understand His power faster than you would do experiencing it. I’d tell youngsters now that we need to create a new religion, a new discipline. And that new religion is work. Working with honesty, working hard in the improvement of the place, which you call your own – your country. I think we just need to be more self-assured, self-obsessed, self-sustaining.
@ syed ????
we have the QURAN and SUNNAH and the life of NABEE e KAREEM (SAAW) we do not need low lives to follow or learn.
do any one know that Saudi govt do not issue the visa for umrah to the bollywood ” muslim ” actors.like srk, amir khan or salman khan?
because saudi govt consider them as a hindu.
and they are damn right about them.
Why did you study medical and changed to newer practices mostly invented by ‘westerners’ rather than old world practices.(Assuming you are medical doctor)
Same way we need to incorporate newer learnings into religion. Both Islam and Christianity emerged from Jewish religion incorporating new learnings of time. Christians (well most of them, not all) moved ahead into modern world post Renaissance in medieval age. Muslims in developed Islamic countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, those living in western world, and some of those living in India and few in Pakistan have moved ahead. Its time for others to Join and practice Islam which allows for all other religions to co-exist peacefully.
33:50 – "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
23:5 – "… except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:…"
Islam’s Prophet promised slaves in Paradise
Koran 70:22 Not the devout, who pray constantly and whose wealth has a fixed portion set aside for beggars and the destitute, and those who believe in the Judgment Day, and those who fear their Lord's punishment-because no one is safe from their Lord's punishment-and who control their sexual desires, except with their wives or slave-girls, with them there is no blame; but whoever indulges their lust beyond this are transgressors), and who keep their trusts and promises, and who tell the truth, and who are attentive to their prayers. These will live with honors in Gardens.
(Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying:'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 slaves and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."
you can hide your face in the sand but we see you….
“Why did you study medical and changed to newer
practices …..
lolsss .what a taunt…….hhahahahah
religion tells you what to do and what not to do.
scince tells you how to do.
seems two separate entities…….right????
“Both Islam and Christianity emerged from Jewish religion
incorporating new learnings of time.
your argument clearly tells us that you have no idea about the histories of religions, what islam is and what is the message ALLAH(swt) wants to convey through prophet Mohammed(saaw).this message is open for every one.
judism emerged after yahooda.jews strictly related themselves as seprate religion followed by specific race.
funny thing is that no one can be converted to be a jew and hence @syed call it a religion.can you tell me what is the message of judism??
no sir it is not a religion.judism doen’t represent a religion, it only represent a race.
christianity emerged after the prophet jeseus(saaw). and funny thing is that it is saint paul who is followed not the prophet jesus(pbuh)
what was the message of prophet jesus(pbuh)?????
(i came to find out the lost sheeps of bani israeel)
yes christianity emerged from judism.
islam is islam.niether it is known as mohammedism nor it is emerged from christianity or judism.
what make you say like that??????
“Same way we need to incorporate newer learnings into
religion.
a sincere piece of advice. do some comparitive study on religions.for me it is most useful study of modern time.
you have dr zakir naik at least you can listen to him.
or at leat you can search the meaning of “SYED”
What were the beliefs of Muslims before prophet Mohammad. I am talking of historical perspective and not religious.
As for comparison of religion, I have been doing that though views I have been reading could be biased as I have not read bible by myself but read books from various people on comparison of three religions based on same roots, Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
I am a devout Muslim and as a devout Muslim I don’t ridicule any religion be it Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity. Each individual has right to follow his/her own beliefs as long as he/she doesn’t hurt sentiments of others.
To begin with this forum seemed like being run by educated people who have their own views. What I didn’t like was ‘attempt to showcase supremacy of Islam’ over all other religions. For me Islam is the only religion that exists, but that doesn’t mean I ridicule followers of others. This is the root cause of all the conflicts world is facing, Christians want to convert rest of world to Christianity, Muslims to Islam and Hindus who never had propagating religion as one of agenda as followers are joining in.
How does it matter to me what religion other people follow. If a Muslim is not following Islam it is my duty and of all other to ‘convince’ him and not anything beyond.
That is the independence of thoughts and beliefs we get in India and nobody cares what are other people’s beliefs except ofcourse for those shiv sena, RSS fanatics and their followers (which contrary to your beliefs is minority among Hindus but as Islamic fundamentalists always take limelight so does hindu ones).
Dear Syed,
I am pleased that you called your self muslim and Devout Muslim -Allhamad u lila.
Well for you to get few facts straight.
1.All prophets from Adam , Noah, Mosess, Younas , ISa to Mohammed pbu them are Muslims and preached Islam – as per Quran.
2.Christianity at present is mostly based on St Pual which in 260- 315 AD was corrupted by a Pagan Greek King Constantine who’s mother was a Christian and on one hand strengthen Christianity and compiled bilble to his taste but also brought a idol worshiping into it.( greek mytholgy ? making it more popular with little understanding – this is bidat i.e something new to religion meaning that a human being is better thinker than Allah.
3.Allah is the God for all religion of books, e.g. Arabic Injil which begins with bismallah widely read in Arabian christians no one is imposing Islam on them.
4. WORD Elohim, Ellahi, ( Allahi) is in books of Jews.
5.In books of Hinduism there is mention of Allah and Mohammed.
No one is imposing Islam on anyone-There is no COMPULSION in Islam and religion.
If u read Quran with meaning and Sahi Bukhari Bidat is haram and anyone who does it punishable by hellfire.
YOUR example of Shahrukh khan or anyone like him is heart aching A person who says he is muslim but prays to Stone or do idol worshipping you must have forgotten Hazrat Mohammed pbuh broke all the idols placed in Kabbah only few time he was in anger and he did not do anything without permission from Allah.
Do you think you or anyone are more compassionate than ALLAH AND REHMAT UL ALMIN Mohammed.
Muslims donot hate anyone but everyone are against muslims.
Being a Muslim for you and us ALLAH words and Mohammed teaching should be above even my father my mother.
cont.
For PRINCE
1. Hoor mentioned in the Qur’an
The word hoor occurs in the Qur’an in no less than four different places:
(1) In Surah Dukhan chapter 44, verse 54
“Moreover, We shall join them to companions
With beautiful, big and lustrous eyes.”
[Al-Qur’an 44:54]
(2) In Surah Al-Tur chapter 52 verse 20
“…And We shall join them to companions, with beautiful,
big and lustrous eyes.”
[Al-Qur’an 52:20]
(3) In Surah Rahman chapter 55 verse 72
“Companions restrained (as to their glances), in goodly pavilions.”
[Al-Qur’an 55:72]
(4) In Surah Al-Waqiah chapter 56 verse 22
“And (there will be) companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes.”
[Al-Qur’an 56:22]
2. Meaning of Hoor
The word hoor is actually the plural of ahwar (applicable to man) and of haura (applicable to woman) and signifies a person having eyes characterized by hauar a special quality bestowed upon a good soul, male or female in paradise and it denotes the intense whiteness of the white part of the spiritual eye.
The Qur’an describes in several other verses that in paradise you will have azwaj which mean a pair or spouse or companion which means you will have spouses or companions pure and holy (mutaharratun means pure, holy).
“But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: “Why, this is what we were fed with before”, for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (forever)”.
[Al-Qur’an 2:25]
“But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall soon admit to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath – their eternal home; therein shall they have companions pure and holy: we shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening”. [Al-Qur’an 4:57]
Therefore the word hoor has no specific gender. Mohammad Asad has translated the word hoor as spouse and Abdullah Yusuf Ali as companion. Therefore according to some scholars a man in paradise will have a hoor that is a beautiful maiden with beautiful big and lustrous eyes and a woman in paradise will get a man with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
http://indianmuslims.in/who-were-the-indian-prophets/
“I am a devout Muslim and as a devout Muslim I don’t
ridicule any religion……
good to hear that you are devout muslim.it is not the matter of nonsense derisiveness,derogation or ridiculing the other religions.it is the matter of understanding of islam.
may i ask you why are you muslim?
are you muslim because you born in muslim family?
or you opted islam after careful study of all religions?
is islam is a only way of salvation or not?
why Allah(swt) send NABEE E KAREEM(saaw)if christianity or judism were sufficient for guidance?
do you really believe that the after earthy life there will be no hereafter.
are we sent here on the earth just to live with peace and hormony? and after earthy life only peaceful people of all religion will go into the heaven and all “terrorist” will go in the hell? if that is the case then i am sorry to say that we do not have any thing common.you keep doing what you see right and we will do according to the guidance given to us “THE QURAN AND SUNNAH” not the hindu looking bollywood actor.
Quran came 6th century.
O’people come out sins and your ego believe in right as little time left.
But if you deny it makes not slightest difference to Allah but onus of your deed falls on you.
Politicians are to blame, india to blame, pakistan to blame. None of these are to blame on either side. including the inept politicians on both sides. I am a bombayite – I refuse to be called a mumbaikar because that is too is part of the problem. Everyone wants to create an issue out of nothing so they can make a mess solving the issue and blame it on the other party. Whether this is regional politics or international politics.
The problem is with religious fundamentalism. Shah Qureshi and Pranab Mukherjee can make bombastic statements. you think they have a choice or care? They are just taking up an issue that has been conveniently provided by factions. The problem lies with religious extremism and what I refer to as Knee Jerk Fundamentalism. Pakistan encouraged training camps so RSS became a Hindu militant organization. You have JeM and LeT so we have Deccan Mujahedeen. Take out religious extremism out of this and everything collapses. Break every damn madrassa (no offence to Muslim religion) and outlaw godmen in India and you dont need politicians to make a bigger mess of our problems. From the indignation I see here in the posts, barring a few, most of the pakistani entries are people that i know that i can co-exist with (never mind that they are fed their side of nationalistic propoganda while i am fed mine) but their thinking is logical, clear and simple to relate to.
Sadly, I type 10 words a minute, and painful as that was, typing this entry is still a walk in the park compared to actually achieving what ive written above which is a guaranteed solution to the problems we are both facing, whether it is Taj India or Marriot Pakistan.
http://ugghani.blogspot.com/2008/12/indias-media-blasted-for-sensational.html
Dear Bombay Guy,
Nice to learn what you have said.
I ll be proud to say and claim as a fundamentalist being are purist but if some one who does not like this put a label as extermist.
As u would agree there is always two opinion to one argument.
As all others, you are seeing what you hearing and being told. But we are dumb to a loud cry and deliberatly ignoring it.
Point is that you cannot win by snubbing ,crubbing, distorting one religion or sect, or organisation because it doesnot agree to you NOW.We have to listen to their point of view.
Last century TERRIORIST AND FUNDAMENTALIST are freedom fighters and heros of today.Are we not going to learn from this.
A big propaganda from Hindus like muslims are intolerent and destroy thier religion how the hell there are 1/2 billion hindus in India today after 1000 yrs of muslim rule.
We have to give right and breathing space to everyone. This what Islam teaches and helping your fellow human being if in trouble and fight for right till last drop.
Missionary schools for christians,Ashrams etc even
Tantaric schools,Night clubs, homosexuality clubs have all the rights to propagate and spread their ideas but why not these MADRAS which have given this world algebra, optics, physics to be blasted – DOUBLE STANDARD.
Why not supporting them and why destroying OR why corrupting. You will get Violence if you u force it.
AND THEN
Somewhere along the line one or most loose sight of real issue.
What I am saying stop blaming each other -charity begins at home.
We do ours you do yours.
Leave us alone search your self look beneath surface and than you probably wont disagree.
Raja
If we leave each other alone, we will drift further apart. 61 years should be proof enough to you. I read in some papers that Pak Taliban now outlaws female education. Propoganda or truth i dont know, but its not healthy. All im saying is dont abandon your faith – I wont mine. But learn to live with differences. I dont say dont do namaaz 5 times a day or dont observe fasts during ramzan. Please do. But violence to any other human is im sure, not taught in Islam or Hindusim or anywhere else. Remember this, a purist only becomes a fundamentalist when he abandons all in favor of single minded goal. Tolerance is important. I have a lot of muslim friends and they all tell me that the concept of jihad is to fight the evils inside ones body, and that it is being grossly misrepresented to teach impressionable minds that it means fight other religions and go to jannat. Is this true? I humbly ask you whether this is true or not. Im sure that if The Prophet taught this then he was on the right path, but someone somewhere misrepresented it to mean something else. Im sure killing women and children is a definite no-no… Why then is it happening? You will agree that irrespective of nationalism it is being done in the name of islam. Why? because people are being misled.
I have a great relations with all my muslim friends on this side of the border. Why not on that side?
I still feel theres a difference between fundamentalism and purity. You say you are a purist. Not so sure, whether you are a fundamentalist… Theres a difference and thats what i am getting at. A purist hindu and a purist muslim can easily get along. A fundamentalist hindu or a fundamentalist muslim wont get along with anyone else. I can co-exist with you, you can eat cow and i can worship it. If im purist ill look the other way when you are eating it. But if im fundamentalist, Ill make an issue of it… I hope you get my point. I look forward to your blog.
Peace be with the world.
yeah forgot to mention – im not saying break down madrasaas which are teaching science / history / philosophy. Just dont teach and propagate fundamentalism (not to be confused with purism)… I hope you get the difference.
Dear Bombay Guy,
To stop violance we have to destroy or disintegrate means of violance.
So India and USA biggest peace keepers or peace lovers of modern worl must lead by example.
So Great India should lead by example again and set an example to follow and set a message of peace to world
Roll back and disintegrate all its nuclear weapon and missile tech,Twice bigger as Pakisatn
4.5 million army 5 times bigger then pakistan and 3 rd largest in world
Airforce 4 times bigger than Pakisatn
Navy 2nd largest in world.
Small and weak nations will follow this immediately and there will be peace because only violance begets violance.
This will bring Peace to region at least. I think you must start this movement.
Raja,
You didnt answer a single question that I posed regarding fundamentalism vs purism. Instead you went into specifics about armies.
There is a difference in having armies and using them. You may own a knife in your kitchen, what differentiates you from a terrorist is that you dont use it while a terrorist does. So if India uses its army in attacking pakistan, then blame india. If it is used as a deterrent but is sheathed then dont blame India.
How come similar issue is not there with Nepal or Bangladesh or Sri Lanka which are also our neighbours? I’ll tell you the answer – the lack of rhetoric which is brought about by religious fundamentalism. I am not trying to paint india as a dove and pakistan as a rogue state by all means and with all due respect. All im saying is that stop trying to deflect the issue with talks of armies and you did this and i did that. That is all secondary, the root of the problem is the fundamentalism which is what im tryign to drive at. Everything else is secondary.
Again i repeat. Are you a purist or a fundamentalist? The answer my friend, will be clear to you…
Peace be with you and the world.
Hi,
Sir, Mumbai Attacks have yet again created tension in south-asia.
India has finally provided the official dossier[1] to Pakistani Govt
on January 5, 2009, which allegedly contains facts.
The Pakistani Govt is preparing official reply, however, various
Pakistani analysts are also analyzing this dossier. It turn out that
official dossier contain many factual errors. Unfortunately much
material is in Urdu, but following link is quite comprehensive:
http://www.brasstacks.pk/pdf/BrassTacks_014_Dance_of_the_devil.pdf
you can skip to page-13 and specially for Dossier analysis skip to
page-66. All I can say, security agencies (like CIA, Mossad, RAW) in
order for __greater good__** kill their own people to create a bigger
plot.
Sir, It should be noted that India-Pakistan tension is not just this
terrorism issue but it is infact beyond that. For example, violation
of “Indus Water Treaty”[2] by building “Baglihar Dam”[3] in the
southern Doda district in Indian Occupied Kashmir, over Chenab river.
It is really unfortunate that in-competent Pakistani Govt didn’t took
stand on this issue[4] (an alleged US-Govt pressure was also
involved).
This leads to following questions:
(1) Don’t you think that Stealing the water of Chenab River is a
threat to Pakistani Agriculture and Pakistani Nation?
and is an example of “state sponsored” terrorism from India?
(2) How can peace process be continued with this back-stabbing?
regards
** possibly to justify their existence and high funding
[1] http://www.hindu.com/nic/dossier.htm
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty
[3] http://thecurrentaffairs.com/index.php/india-violated-treaty-in-baglihar-dam-case-indus-water-commissioner/
[4] http://www.dawn.com/2008/09/22/ebr4.htm