Guest Blog by Azhar Aslam
India today is considered by the world to be an established state. Indians think they are on the brink of acquiring super power status. LeT on the other hand is a banned organization considered to be a terrorist non-state actor. So why is it that the belligerence and jingoism Indian state and media is what would be expected of an organization like LeT. How come Indian state is behaving like a terrorist organization?
Non-state violent actors, until recently have been called mercenaries and have been used, by different powers throughout human history. British imperialism started its life in this shape and form, the most famous being the East India Company. Sir Drake , Sir Raleigh and other such “privateers,” were all non state entrepreneurs who advanced state power. Lawless violence often preceded the rule of law.
More recently after the Second World War United States has employed several non-state forces in various parts of the world to further its foreign policy agenda, often at high human and economic cost to that country and its people. Ironically Afghanistan was one such theatre. The Indian support for Baluchistan insurgency is an open secret. There is a strength of evidence for Indian and US support for ‘Jihadist’ groups operating on Pakistani territories.
After the recent Mumbai attacks it has been claimed by India ( serious evidence still pending) that a non state actor LeT has infringed its territory and perpetrated lawless violence. Indian state and its leaders are now invoking this as a reason to respond in kind. The jingoistic antipakistani stance of Indian media and politicians is being built to hysterical levels. There have been calls to respond in ‘manner of United States’.
It is most disturbing that Indian government instead of behaving in a lawful manner befitting the largest country in the region, has tried its fullest to take ”advantage” of human misery in its own country and of its own people and made this a ‘Pakistan-centric’ event. When it should have been paying attention to healing its own wounds, India has seen it as an opportunity to salt these wounds and create fresh ones. And here the state has been led by hysterical media. That tells volume about the structural stability and framework of Indian institutions claimed to represent world’s largest democracy.
Indian state wants to behave like private bullies , justifying violence , revenge and torture just like non-state terrorists. As Arjvind Rajgopal has put it ‘War has become the preferred means of practicing politics under the guise of opposing terrorism, and it is endorsed as a sacred duty’.
India seems to be following in USSR tradition and trying to create an aura of invincibility for its own ego satisfaction without considering the hundreds of millions of its citizens who are hungry, poor and destitute. Is the death of nearly 250 people, mayhem for a few days in one city, a little hurt ego more important than the teeming masses who linger in poverty. Should India not be concentrating its efforts on spending money for creating infrastructure for its own; of education, health, transport , economic opportunities. Is it worth a war?
Common sense answer is ‘No’. So Why is it that certain parts of Indian media/intellectuals/politicians triumvirate, want India to respond in an American manner? Our analysis leads us to two reasons.
First, Indian leaders and intellectuals suffer from severe inferiority complex and generational anger lingering on from British Raj days. For all the talk of rising power of India and Indians taking over the world India is desperate to declare itself as a super power one way or another. Look closely at the pattern of Indian media’s coverage. It was not designed for Indian masses. It was designed to be fed to the international audeince, in particular US and UK citizens, whose gullibility has no limits. And it is seems India has decided that its response to Mumbai attack, (which by the way was smaller in number of casualties compared to 1993 or 2006 or Gujrat, just to quote few examples) is going to declare to the world that it has turned into a regional or world super power.
India has this complex about being ‘Like America’. This is no more than a sign of serious inferiority complex and insecurity of its own identity. The most obvious sign of this inferiority complex is that the event is described as India’s 9/11, with enemy intruders committing murder and mayhem. “9/11″ has become a nationalizing mantra across the globe, an invocation to remember violence in order to garner consent for violent retaliation.
No one has even considered that what the world has turned into after the American response. It is not as if the world has become a safer or better place that this response should be imitated. The signs of being super in power are maturity and sagacity. It is to reach out and stand against terrorism of any kind and take other ( in this case smaller) countries in the region with her. It is to lead. But has India done any of it ? No sir. So forget about being super in power. India needs to set its own house in order.
This brings us to the second reason behind India’s jingoistic stance. It is related to the long standing failure of Indian state. It has failed in three important respects. First, it has failed its own secularism and failed to forge an Indian nation; second it has failed its own poor in pure economic terms; and thirdly it has failed its Indianness in its eagerness to ape the west.
Not withstanding show boys of Indian Muslims (from Abul Kalam Azaad to M J Akbar) there is the increasing discrimination in civil society and the media against Muslims. Indian state continually fails to provide justice to its minorities and masses. Then there are Dalits, Chrsitians, Bhuddists, Tamils, Naxalites. The list goes on. I quote Gopal again:’ Muslims in India have, for some time, been treated as internal enemies, through a combination of covert and overt socio-economic boycotts, state discrimination, episodes of intense political violence, and anti-terror legislation granting judicial powers to police.’
And what is Indian response to all this. For Kashmir, it blames Pakistan; for the seven sister states Bangladesh is the culprit and China takes the blame for the Naxalite insurrection. India has been in a state of perpetual war due to its ego, border disputes with all its neighbours and misplaced priorities.
Then there are pure economic issues. Here again Indian leaders ego complexes have led to failure of its own people. This failure is villainous in part and negligent to criminal extent. It is multifold and multilayered. While ‘India is shining’ for an elite minority, the masses and the land is being opened up for a new form of colonialism for Bharati and multinationals corporations, in the name of reforms and progress.
What Indians have failed to grasp or at least have shown no capacity to put any such understanding into context is that they are seen as no more than a big economic market opportunity for western nations and corporations, due to sheer numbers. Research from the McKinsey Global Institute (MGI) shows that within a generation, the country will become a nation of upwardly mobile middle-class households, consuming goods ranging from high-end cars to designer clothing. In two decades the country will surpass Germany as the world’s fifth largest consumer market. It is this which attracts West; not some attitudinal shift in Anglo-Saxon thinking. If they are under any illusion that suddenly Westerns have started seeing them as equal partners, all they have to do is to sit in few pubs across middle England. That shall be more than sufficient to clear such delusions of grandeur.
Consequently in the name of progress, poor are marginalized. Cities suffer from severe economic and social segregation. The slums for the poor are demolished and ghettos moved around. Muslim and Dalits in India are overwhelmingly concentrated in such ghettos and, in episodes of Hindu nationalist violence, have been the principal victims of assaults. It is not India shining. It is Bollywood shining and like tinsel town it is more razz matazz than substance . The Justice Sachar Committee, in 2006, reported that ‘the condition of Muslims had deteriorated to such a point that they were worse off than the untouchable caste, which has traditionally occupied the lowest rung of Indian society’. In some cases, Muslims are ostracized to the point of social death.
And for all the talk of famed reforms by the present Indian Prime Minister in early 1990s, when he was a finance minister, it was more a case of India being at the right place at the right time by sheer luck than any planned strategic goal achievement. Indian progress owes much to certain historical events converging fortuitously at the right time. The collapse of USSR forced India into balance payment crisis, forcing Rao and Singh’s hand to deliver economic reforms where by Licence Raj was ended. At about the same time seeds of globalization were being sown while West was recovering form the recessions of early 1990s. The scores of English speaking graduates of IIT were now suddenly available at cheap labour adding impetus to Indian preeminence as outsourced markets. Western corporations were looking for cutting their costs and they started outsourcing. Indian diaspora played its part. Manufacturing was outsourced to China and IT services to India. Subsequently ore reforms followed and FDI increased as western corporations themselves sought a slice of the market.
This brings us to the third Indian failure. The fact is that Indian middle class is fast losing its ‘Dhesi’ values and the South Asian culture is being undermined by the still persistent and widely prevalent ‘ Ghulam Zahniat’. For all the slogans of ‘new super power’, ‘largest democracy’, ‘big and powerful country’ etc, the Indianness is fast ebbing away.
Most middle class Indians feel more proud to speak, act and live and display the consumerist western lifestyle than any indigenous South Asian, Indian or Baharti lifestyle. Their tastes are indistinguishable from those of prosperous young Westerners – high-end luxury cars, designer clothes, maids and full-time cooks, and regular vacations, abroad.
One sign of this is the elites in Mumbai assuming that they too must respond “like America’’ and asking where their Rudy Giuliani was ? The irony is that the sign of being developed and civilized in India is no longer the welfare of its general masses in economic and social terms but ‘ State terrorism and war’.
Like Pakistan Television is being watched increasingly in India and nearly two thirds of the population has now access to television. And it is very profitable. Consequently there is intense competition in news sector and live TV. Many of 24 hour channels are owned by transnational media corporations. And Like Pakistan a disproportionate number of prime time viewers tune into news channels (perhaps due to the age old Subcontinental taste for politics). Consequently this was the first attack that was being telecast and watched live. It seems that even the planners of these attacks knew this and planned to take full advantage of the global audience on offer. The death of V P Singh and eight people in Tamil Nadu rains from 26 to 29th November went nearly unmentioned. To quote ‘They died unmourned and even unmentioned on the explosive screens that kept millions enthralled’.
As some Indian pundits have asked that while media fixated on ‘who’ and ‘how’ for these attacks, ‘why’ was completely ignored. It is the media which seems to be leading the response of Indian State rather than the other way round. In other words, the corporate agendas of the media owners has dictated the response of Indian rulers and Indian state. The proof of sympathy to the upwardly mobile middle class urbanites it seems is war with Pakistan at the cost of teeming poor and destitute billions. As Gopal points out that the ‘the media in India is only nominally public. …it is elite who own the space and dictate the terms of its discourse. In the recent attacks hardly any attention was paid to the railway station where sixty people were killed. TV crews stayed focused on the luxury hotels, where “People Like Us” were affected.’ To quote J S Raman ‘The elite of Mumbai and elsewhere, mourning the fall of the elegant Taj, have been trying to sound tougher than even the politicians of the Parivar (the Far Right “family”).’
We thus see that these three fundamental failures of Indian State that have either incapacitated the senses of Indian State and its rulers and they are being unwillingly led by the media or they have simply become complicit in the dangerous egocentric brinksmanship regardless of the cost to people of Subcontinent. That the complex to ‘be big’ and ‘super power’ is fuelling this on cannot be doubted. But the world is watching. And India must take a note. The very status it craves for more than anything else is under threat due to its childish and amateurish actions. The more it acts like ‘Non-State’ actor the more it risks its status in the comity of nations.
Comments
474 responses to “Why is India behaving like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)?”
@commentators on this forum….
Bura Jo Dekhan Main Chala, Bura Naa Milya Koye
Jo Mann Khoja Apnaa, To Mujhse Bura Naa Koye
@ good confession Sardar ji !!
@Asad Ali
Doha to Kabir ka hai,…..sardarji ka nahi…khair aapko maloom nahi koi baat nahi…
waise yeh aap pe bhi utni hi lagoo hoti hai jitni humare pe… aap bhi apne girebaan mein jhaank kar dekhiyega zaroor…aapko kaafi tajjub hoga yeh jaankar ki aap utne bhi “paak” nahi jitna aap apne aap ko samajhte hain…
yaad rakhiyega…“The truest characters of ignorance are vanity, and pride and arrogance.”
@indian
i am moved by this nice doha.i am sure kabeer must be a great poet.in spite of humble in nature, in spite of vegeterian, in spite of good deeds of the indian diaspora i still couldn’t understand what make few of hindus to act in such a barbaric way like we see in gujrat and most importantly why the judicial system do not work in this kind of situations?
i mean there must be some thing.no single conviction,punishment or compensation?
not even face saving apology?
in past 60 years we saw systemic ethnic cleansing of minorities with the help of govt machinery.
we do have killers and thugs people fight and kill each other all the time but you will never see in pakistan that ferocious dog like mob burning the houses of a common man,killing the innocent children and women, chasing the helpless poor young girls and raping them openly while police and spectators are enjoying the live show.
what happens to the kabeer’s india at that particular time.
men jab apney gareban men jhankta hoon aur jab apney logon ko dekhta hoon to kehna partha hey ham men abhee bhee insaniyat baqi hey.
why this happen only in india?
@ Indian,
you have ruined the wit ! Sardarji, I knew it is from
Kabir Das, no problem, The Pakistani Jamil-uddin Aali
is well know for his excellent dohay
waise yeh ham sab par laagoo he, aur chuunkay,
hindustan bara he, lehazza uski zimewari bohat
ziada aur ghambhir he, aur pichlay 60 saal ki
history
kuch acchi nehein he ! har saal hindustan
regularly
janata to jalatah aur marta he, qatle kerta he,
Mein apnay garibaan mein jhankta hoon, huzoor,
apka garibaan to laal surkh he
aur khoon tapakta he.
Propaganda and lies can not eternally white wash
the Indian reality !!
– Only in Pakistan its a crime to say you are Ahmedi or claim alliagnance to Islam…I need to sign a paper denouncing the whole sect to get the Pakistani passport?
– A mob burning down innocents in Gujarat or a suicide bomber blowing up shias is Pakistan…how is it different? Innocent lives are lost just because they are different from us?
– Babri Masjid was demolished because one religion felt that they had greater claim to that land…what abt Lahore where temples have been razed down to make shopping malls?
what abt the mob attack at Nankana Sahib, leading to the stoning of the Gurudwara and the inner sanctum?
– the ethnic cleansing in Kashmir where hundred thousands of people were forced to flee their homes overnight due to Islamic militants
– the Genocide in Bangaldesh remains as a permanent reminder that no land is superior..
I dont agree with the typical Indian argument that these were in the face of provokation,…if the history of civilzation teaches us anything it is that..violence is no answer to any problem..hatred only begets hatred
we all have our problems…lets fix our problems and get our own houses in order before smugly pointing fingers at others!
I dont know why you would have me believe that all is right with Pakistan when everyday i read in the papers (incl dawn) abt the many people killed in different parts of Pakistan owing to insurgency or sectarian violence…
India has more than its fair share of problems (even more)…but we are working on those…It may take time but in the end justice will be delivered (the outcry raised allover the country over the shameful incidents is an example)
India mein ab bhi bahut insaniyat hai…shayad aap dekhna hi nahi chahte!
@Asad Ali: 15th century mein Pakitan to tha nahi..phir kabir das Pakistani kaise hue?lol..
Its a little hard to credit adults with “wit” when they constantly self reference asses and assholes 🙂
“A mob burning down innocents in Gujarat or a suicide bomber blowing up shias is Pakistan…how is it different?
ANS: yes entirely different.suicide bomber has no identity, no one can say that who sent this suicide bomber,who are the people behind him,who supported him and therefore there is no question of trial, conviction and punishment while mob is a well known group of people who can be
identified,arrested,convicted and punished.
most importantly suicide bombing is not the result of sectarian hatred between people.it is just an act of terrorism.
its not like india that sunni carrying sword and other weapons and chasing shia and killing any where they find, burning their houses and property,destroying them financially and raping their women openly where police,millitary and ordinary people laughing at the helplessness of poor people.
“THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COHERENCE OR RESEMBLANCE BETWEEN
THE TWO EXAMPLES”
you want to say that what happened in gujrat is equal to the what happens in pakistan….come on man you can do better than that…..we do not have chief minister like narendar modi.
“babri Masjid was demolished because one religion felt that they had greater claim to that land……
ANS: this is the reason why i don’t like indians because despite their humbleness and education they always ready to be an exponent of any sort of crime committed by their fellow hindu extremists in the name of religion.
tell me indian what happen when muslims got more power than hindus and start to “FEEL” that they have greater claim to the ganga or kashi…..
did suprem court of india give the verdict that babri masjid was built illegally?
Can you prove that sri ram is a real character through the refrence of known history?
this is the problem you people feel and act according to your feeling and bigest decisions in hindu society is made under the influence of emotions.
“the ethnic cleansing in Kashmir where hundred thousands of people were forced to flee their homes overnight due to Islamic militants”
ANS:
http://www.kashmiris.org/humanRights.htm
“India has more than its fair share of problems (even more)…but we are working on those…It may take time but in the end justice will be delivered……..
justice? i have a doubt that india can deliver any justice to the minorities.
if you say no…then start from gujrat.
my dear!india can not punish the people like baboo bajrangi. please do not say that some day you will bring narendar modi in a accused box.
when u people can not punish mullana masood ,when u can not arrest lakvi and u can not hand over dawood the what rights do u have to question us ,I know u r answer u will say massod is a freedom fighter and a paki,lakvi is training to wage jihad and dawood we have never heard of him ,thats what u are going to say ,and babu bajrangi did a right or worng we dont know ,but after mumbai i feel what he as done is right and we will never ever bring modi to accused box after what muslim did in mumbai ,after reading the comments made by muslim and the language they have used,when quran prohibits .this people only dont value there quran and want the world to accept it.guys first u follow what u r religion says and expext people to respect it ,or else it will be called a sh@#……
what would have happened if APJ Abdul kalam or shah ruk or amir or salman were born in porkistan ?
Ans: the same thing what salman rusdhe or tasmila nasreen are facing today ,when a god can not take criticism what kind of good is that ,when its followers give fatwa how can people say its the most tolerable religion ,
Its as made its followers brain useless ,for everything they turn up to tthat book and they dont want to apply their brain ,that book says how a person should have sex,come on give a break,god as given u somthing called a brain please use it.
the followers say that boy and girl should not mingle ,(just see the clip by that lunatic zakir on u tube) and also it says that girls should not dance ,just see this clip
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfP5Hk8-Q8
and please let me know wether they can dance like this .I have read about kashmir said by asad ali ,can u answer it ,
or do u prefer to scold those who question u r religion
roma u told about India and see mr.ali claimed that all the legends have told it keeping pak in mind ,ok ali I give it you can you please tell me what as u r pakistan given to this new world ,apart from terrorism camp and suicide bombers ,please tell some thing else from religion ,be positive my friend,where is u r pork know ,when the countries president is mr 10% what can one except form its people how have chosen him ? bloody he will sell u r country to america and take 10% beware,come out and see the world ,there is much apart from religion
good one Porkistan. Bravo!
Like you were saying if it was up to this Pariah muslim fundamentalist, the world will become a toilet just like their country. they are not happy that their country and land is a waste dump for Shaitan. They want the whole world to be Shaitan’s toilet. but that will never happen because we the civilized people of the world will use the brains God has given us to know what’s good and what’s bad.
this paki’s think they are so smart just because they have a nuclear bomb. but the funny thing is they dont have the technology to deliver the bomb accurately. they might end up blowing themselves up. which is not a bad idea.
self cleansing is a very noble cause.
do you know why muslim’s are so defensive against any criticism of their religion?
Because they know it’s bull shit. and dont want the bull shit to be uncovered by the truth.
I have a question my friend does Islam sees nothing wrong with contracting a temporary marriage ?in westeren world its called live-in relation ,I just want to make sure Iran is a muslim country or not ?
Let me understand this. Are you people not accusing us mis-interpreting verses of Qoraan, when have been doing this for 1400 years?
Have not you guys been re-interpreting Qoraan for more than a thousand years?
Had you not issue Edicts that later you reversed centuries later in some cases after getting thousands of Moslim be-headed because you had been proven wrong, Science proved you wrong or people stopped believing in your those Edicts or FaTwah?
Who had issued these FaTawah or Edicts quoting verses of Qoraan if not you Mollaas or so called great Scholars of Islam?
1. Whole Universe circles around Earth and Earth is on stand still.
2. Earth is not round. Its flat.
3. Every Qoraan is a live soul as Humans.
4. Its against words of Allah to translate Qoraan in any language.
5. Planets move back and forth.
6. Its okay in Islam for a Husband to rape Slave of a Wife because Wife herself is Slave of her Husband.
7. Its okay in Islam for father of a Husband to rape Slave of his Wife or his Slave without his or his Wife’s permission.
8. Its okay in Islam for brothers and cousins to rape a Slave of a person with his due permission.
9. Studying Astronomy & Astrology is against Islam.
10. Studying Physics and Chemistry is against Islam.
11. Studying Anatomy and Biology is against Islam.
12. Studying Philosophy, Psychology and Psychiatry is against Islam.
13. Learning English is against Islam. (This was issued in Indian Sub Continent. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan had to fled to Great Britain to avoid being assassinated. He came back growing his beards for two years and had to be provided British protection against Mollaas).
14. Sir Syed deserves beheading because he is no more a Moslim.
15. Sir Allaamaa Iqbal deserves beheading being a ‘Dehriyah’.
16. Mr. Jinnah deserves beheading because he is a ‘MorTiD’.
17. Whoever believes that man has landed on Moon is no more a Moslim. (Over 1600 of your Scholars from all Moslim Countries had signed this in 1968).
18. Godless USSR and Christian USA are partners in this Hoax. Its their mutually agreed Conspiracy to weaken our faith in Islam propagating that man has landed on Moon, when we have Moslim witnesses to prove, what people saw on TV was shot in a Hollywood Studio and was rehearsed in Florida for months. (Later turned-out that one of the Witnesses was an Egyptian Christian working in a Hollywood Studio as a Stage hand, who said, I was only asked if there were any Science Fiction Space Movies shot in my Studio. The other one working as a Janitor at NASA had said, I had only said, “I had seen Astronauts practicing for Moon Landing”. None of them had said, Moon Landing was a Hollywood shot movie and it was a hoax but more than 1600 Scholars of Islam from all over the world had signed this Edict).
19. Meteors we sometimes see in our night sky? They are fired at Satan, when he tries to enter ‘JannuT’. (Can anybody tell me in which direction is JannuT then because Meteors seem to be coming from all 4 directions towards earth? How come Science hasn’t found ‘JannuT in any of directions and the distance from earth that Meteors seem to appear in the sky?)
20. Hit Satan with Pebbles on Hajj …! Why with Pebbles? Why not just blow him away with a Mortar Fire if he is really there? If he can’t die of Mortar Fire, why hit him with little Pebbles? What’s the proof, we are really hurting him? Who do you think, you are fooling?
Now with present facts and a history like that our Mollaas like tht lunatic zakir can still stand up and tell us they are right about everything and everybody else is wrong?
Don’t they have any shame …!and he is applauded by the audience ,majority of them are muslims.
I guess not because they keep their shame under a Borqah and never wear Nickers or Short
who ever answers the question please do ot divert from this point ,cos i see when ever a serious question is asked they abuse the person who as asked or tell some story which will move the focus out of the topic ,mr ali ,dr jawwad please be in the topic
that is what i call a “monkey attack”.
@jaram!
there is a fundamental difference between baboo bajrangee and molana masood azhar.baboo bajrangi killed his fellow indian citizens(poor,helpless and innocent) in the name of religion.
while molana masood azhar fought against occupation forces.
his act is just noble.
@ali baba!
“this paki’s think they are so smart just because they have a nuclear bomb. but the funny thing is they dont have the technology to deliver the bomb accurately.
be smart enough.avoid the bluff and attack on pakistan.
@i love india!
who told you such things?
did you hear by yourself or is it typical indian perception.please read or see the dr zakir naik’s ” islam and modern science” it has sufficient answer of your questions about islam.
@i love india!
to be a muslim it is not sufficient that you born in muslim family.islam is not like judism or hindumat. you have to follow the code of conduct or at least believe in some fundamentals other wise the islam make the muslim society to cast you away.
SRK,amir khan or salman khan are not allowed to come for performing ummrah(visit to the holliest places of MAKKAH MUKARRAMA or MADINA MUNAWARRA. saudi govt do not allow them to enter. because they are rightfully considered as non muslims.
“baboo bajrangi killed his fellow indian citizens(poor,helpless and innocent) in the name of religion.
while molana masood azhar fought against occupation forces.
his act is just noble.”
Well done..another terrorist is born!!!
As long as people can justify killings of innocents as noble deeds- there is no hope of any kind of peace prevailing in the world!!
Seriously i used to think that counter to the portrayal in Indian and international media all Pakistani’s cant be terrorists…but frankly this forum is causing me to do a rethink…
Maybe Pakistan is home to the most violent, heartless people of all!
My name is I love porkistan not I love India.srk ,amir and slaman cos they are conisdered as non-muslim ,Y cos they are actors, fair enough.Was dilip kumar not allowed in mecca and madina ,Why was AR rehaman allowed to under take haj ,
SRK,amir and salman are ,making people laugh ,they are entertaining people is it wrong.
now religion apart ,just as a human think entertaining people is bad or killing people in the name of religion,i dont get it when masoor azrh and lakvi are consider freedom fighter y the people how make others happy or consider non-muslim.is making others is happy is a crime in Islam .
mr.ali i have read u r comments earlier and i think u are very smart ,u just scold others or divert the topicwhen u can not give an answer ,please be to the topic
is entertaining people a crime in islam if its not can u please tell me what is the crime that this actors have done ,this actors are not considered threat to any nation and they are consdiered non-muslim.people who kill others and wanted by other nation are considered freedom fighter.
islam equals misery.
happiness equals infidels.
Jawwadkhan,
you keep talking about the code of conduct to be a good muslim. did you know that the quran forbids anyone to kill, hate, be intolerant and talk ill of anyone even the non-believers?
how about those codes? do you follow them? I dont think so.
PORKISTAN,
dont waste your breath with these morons…..they are incapable of giving a truthful honest to God answer. They will scold you, your father, mother, sister, grand mother and father and even your neighbors but they will never answer the question.
they will say how great islam is and islam that but nothing to prove it. it’s all GOAT SHIT. the same goats these people sodomize every night.
@indian!
ran out of arguments?
that is why you are calling me a terrorist?
@i luv india!
they are not banned because of acting.
they are banned because they not openly express their polytheistic beliefs.understood????????
and please do not forget that salman khan arranged some kind of “POOJA” in his house,in which he worshiped some god.
these lowlives might be your heroes but for me they are nothing but monkeys.
@roma!
dear.complete your primary education first and then participate in any discussion.
MY NAME IS i LUV PORKISTAN,AND I LUV INDIA ,OK they are not banned cos of acting but because they worship of multiple deities(polytheistic) is it? is killing innocent life is a great crime or polytheistic.I think according to Islam polytheistic is .ok fair enough.
now that i have got answer i will move on ,I have read that islam says not to abuse even the non-beliver it seems so tell me doc how many true muslim are there ,who follow what quran says,once i get this answer i will move on ,and thank you very much that u answered the topic ,next I might change my name to I love muslim ,just for u r information
bravo porkistan ,bravo
i dont get it ,y can not people get u r name right its so simple ,pork as in pig’s meat and istan like in pakistan.
U are asking some very sensible question ,and u will be scolded for that ,by true muslim ,anyway i wanted to say something but that will divert the topic ,so please continue ,Dr,and ali i have warned for asking such question ,but I am very sure that u will answer it .
because muslim can not eat the pork meat.it is non sense to call pakistan as porkistan.i think india deserve that name because i heard that many hindu love the pork meat.
“shirk” or worshiping multiple dieties is the only unforgiveable crime in islam.when a person dies as polytheist he will not be forgiven by ALLAH(SWT).
who told you that it is ok in islam?
@pork!
it shows that you have absolutely no clue about islam.your juvenile questions reminded me poor roma.
ok dr now that U have answered My question ,worshipping of idols is the Only unforgiveable crime in islam and killing innocent is forgiveable sin???.so allah forgives a person if he kills innocent people!!!
my next question is does Islam sees nothing wrong with contracting a temporary marriage ?in westeren world its called live-in relation ,I just want to make sure Iran is a muslim country or not ?
no dear it is not forgivable crime.
it is said that “killing some one is as you kill the whole humanity”
Murder of some one can only be forgiven if the blood relative of the murdered forgives the murderer.
However please rest assured that indian, american, british,
and israeli armies are not innocent. These forces are occupied forces and jihad against these forces is the biggest virtue in Islam.
islam not only allow us but instigate us to fight such blood thirsty animals.
Any one who said that” THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH AND MOHAMMED(PBUH) IS HIS MESSENGER ” become Muslim.
and you should understand that there is fundamental difference between sin and infedality.
if you do some sins no matter what you did, you will remain Muslim and when you repent in front of ALLAH(swt) he forgives your sin.
but when you deny the fundamentals of Islam for example if some one like salman khan do pooja then this pooja make him infedal forever untill,unless he repent sincerely. Even though no body can say for sure that he is forgiven or not.
Temporary marriages are strongly prohibited in “Sunni” school of thought. Shia still practice that. The majority about 90 %( Sunni) do not practice the temporary marriage.
and many shia also do not.
but please try to understand that performing temporary marriages do not convert a Muslim into nonmuslim. it is just an act of sin.
@Asad Ali of 5 Jan 09, The abusive language by you reflect your frustrated mentality. Just hurling abuses at each other does not serve any purpose. As I told you earlier it is because of our poor leadership that you are safe so far. Just pray that it remains in the same manner lest it would be a dooms day for you fuckers. Except producing babies like bithches and dogs, you pakistanis do’nt produce anything and have the audacity to compare yourself with India. Just remember that your next war with India is going to be your last war because your country is going to be cut off into atleast four different parts after that war. You suckers will keep on sorting out each other after that. Just stop begging for money from Western countries and for god’s sake produce something other than Babies and Terrorists.
——– Suri
good to know that killing innocent is a sin in islam ,thats really good to know ,you told that “However please rest assured that indian, american, british,
and israeli armies are not innocent”
I that case go and fight the army ,why are you killing the innocent public,do u think that this people are not innocent cos they are christian,hindu or jews.You have told that maasor is a freedom fighter ,what kind of fighter his he ,who kills innocent people and u say those actors are not allowed in mecca or madin cos they worshipped a idol then will masoor be allowed ,and u say that allah will forgive anything ,so u mean to say that a person who as killed innocent people all through his life dies and goes in front of u r good and repents it allah will forgive him.
i dont know about shia and sunni ,for me they are muslims,performing or worshiping idol converts a muslim to a non-muslim but performing temporary marriages do not convert a muslim to non-muslim.
man as landed in the moon,ok u might say its a hoax ,india as sent a satellite to the moon and it plans to send a man also in the near future Whoever u r mullas say that whoever believes that man has landed on Moon is no more a Moslim. (Over 1600 of your Scholars from all Moslim Countries had signed this in 1968).why is that they deny some facts of life ,stating quran ,why is that so ,
as per me ,a true muslim is one that follows quran ,is’t it? or its just enough for a person to be born to muslim parents?
i am sorry porkistan ,but i just want to say this there is a proverb “what you reap is what you get”
Islam hates all the religion and that is the reason why other religion hates it.
porkistan go ahead
I want to ask a question,is drinking prohibited in Islam ,and if its a sin then please read this and answer.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Talaq_uttered_in_drunken_state_valid_Darul_Uloom/articleshow/3944741.cms
@jairam, you know well your porki brothers,
what a swine mouth you guys have !
wow asad atlast U showed what a true muslim was and what language he as born with,as porkistan had mentioned U are trying to change the topic ,ok for u r happines i will say i am a swine and tell me ,I agree to whatever u say,
be in the topic and answer the question.
and i feel u r the same MR kashmiri how came up with magical figures ,but did not provide the link ,are u still parying to get the link.post it as soon as possible.
jaram!
pork!
roma!
are you guys are really so dump asses and block heads or you just trying to feak me out.
@prok!
“india as sent a satellite to the moon and it plans to send a man also in the near future Whoever u r mullas say that whoever believes that man has landed on Moon is no more a Moslim….
tell me pork what good will be the indian monkey on the moon while 2/3 of indian population will be behind poverty line?lolzzzzz…you guys are the unique characters
hey guys why don’t you complete your primary education instead instigating the others for such a serious and mature discussions.
ok we will take 2/3 of india is in proverty ,and pakistan is a much prospours satate than India ,as it got any Space mission ,is it doing any research ,I doubt when u r mullas say that whoever believes that man has landed on Moon is no more a Moslim how can one expect that they will have a Space mission ,If u have please let me know,I have just assumed, when quran prohibits how can a muslim country have a Space mission.
why u think that all the developed nation and developing are are doing a space mission its not just to show the world that they are powerful ,the reason is there are trying to find out is there any oil there and they plan to bring it and use it?si that monopoly of some nation could be stopped .every time when anything serious question u just say there are so many poor people in india whats the use of such program ,i agree we have poor people ,we will try to improve them ,are u trying to improve ,u dont improve them also and do do any research work also,when others do it u just say there are so many poor people whats the use,we have so many poor people yet we are doing this and u are much better than us and u are doing what?
U just stick on to quran for anything ,and you have not answered my question , u say that allah will forgive anything ,so u mean to say that a person who as killed innocent people all through his life dies and goes in front of u r good and repents it allah will forgive him.?
answer it doc ,u have done u r mbbs ,so i think are capable
hey roma(porklover)
sachi sachi sachi bataoon?……
mera moot pee gaya hey tu, aisey sawal kar kar ke
dimagh ki muth laga dee hey tu ney.
roma dear!
please finish your studies and then come and talk to us.
ok dear?…
have a nice day….
(jawab e jahilan khamshi bashud)
aik sardar ji aik din aik dukan par jatey hen.dukan waley se kehtey hen ke ” bhai yeh almaree(cupboard) mujhee bohat pasand aaee hey kitney ki do gay?
dukandar sanjeedgi se kehta hey ke “sardar ji shima kijiye ham sikkhon ko almaree naheen bechtey”
sardar ji yeh sun kar tap jatey hen ke sikkhon men aisee kia kharabi hey jo unhen yeh almaree naheen bechta.kafi jhagrha kar ke chaley jatey hen.
kuch dinon ke bad usi dukan men aik parsi aata hey aur tooti phooti hindi men kehta he ke mujhey yeh almaree khareedni hey. dukan wala nazar uthaey bagher bolta hey ke ” sardar ji men ne aapko bataya to tha ke ham almaree sikkhon ko naheen bechtey.
sardar ji sun kar sat pata jatey hen. ke yar men ne to apna bhes badal diya awaz badal di phir bhi dukan dar pehchan gaya.
poorey maheeney sardar ji bhes badal badal kar aatey,almaree ki qeemat ka poochhtey aur dukan dar unhen yehi kehta ke”sardar ji ham sikkhon ko almaree naheen bechtey”
aakhri bar bangali ka hulya bana kar bangali ki tarah bol almaree ka poochtey hen,ab ki bar bhi malik ne wohee bat ki ke sardar ji ham sikkhon ko almaree naheen bechtey. sardar ji uska gareban pakarh letey hen ke almaree ko to goli maro yeh batao ke har bar tum mujhey pehchan kaisey letey ho.
dukan dar bola bohat aasani ke saath kiyonki jis cheez ko aap almaree keh rahey hen wo asal men refrigerator hey.
lolzzzzzzzzzzz
isi tarah
@roma
@love pork
@others
have the same stupid question.
and my answer “ham ulloo ke pathon ko jawab naheen detey”
good joke jawaddkhan ,the joke was very good ,its a very niceway to say that u dont have answer ,dont get furstrated u can see quran for help.
I love porkistan ,Its got good what u are doing ,u dont know u will be cursed by allah the great ,if u say anything against islam see what happened to salman rushied and tasmila ,even they will bring out a fatwa aginst u ,they will kill people how will say anything agains islam and if u say allah is not there then u have gone my friend,islam does not believe in freedom of speech.people might say that islam does not say so ,but the point is so many people are given death sentence for saying he is not there ,so be aware rallah the almighty and ever forgiver will cruse u ,jawadd am i right ,
jawwad about u r joke ,it was a good one ,The seller kept on telling that he will not sell it to the Sikh instead of that he should have told that is not a cupboard its a refrigerator and he does not sell cupbord.Instead he kept on telling that he will not sell it to the sikh ,the sikh might have really liked the item and that is the reason he kept on coming and asking .I feel the seller ONLY KNOWS REFRIGERATOR AND HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS A CUPBORD,JUST LIKE u PEOPLE HOW KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT OTHER RELIGION EXCEPT iSLAM AND QURAN .Don’t u think so pork ,roma . jawwad u know u r self very well i am very impressed atleast u had the guts to admit it..
jawwad about u r joke ,it was a good one ,If the seller should have told we will not sell the refrigerator instead he told that we will not sell the cupboard to sikh so he is even more idiot then the sardar cos he HE ONLY KNOWS REFRIGERATOR AND HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS A CUPBORD,JUST LIKE THE u PEOPLE HOW KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT OTHER RELIGION EXCEPT iSLAM AND QURAN .Don't u think so pork ,roma .but jawwad u know u r self very well i am very impressed.
The Hindus have a term for the “Matrix.” They say our lives are governed by “Maya” or “illusion.”
Hinduism is an illusion
Democracy is an illusion
Indian lives are an illusion
26/11 was an illusion
jairam also a big illusory idiot
shy-guy i think u are a paki cos instead of answering all u have done is tell somting bad about hindu and me ,ok I will agree to what all u have said my dear ,you win ,does that make you happy ,
now I have asked few question can u please answer it and prove that islam is the most realistic religion in the world ,if u can not just don’t come and spoil the discussion ,what ever you said about hindus is true <are u happy ,
The whole world knows what are muslims and what are hindus ,when I say the whole world i mean the whole world not just pakistan or just muslim nation.
@jaram!
let’s take a break.one more joke about “sardar ji”
aik chotey sardar ji jin ki umar 9 sal thi aik din apni maan ke pas aaey aur kaha “amman kaee din se aik ajeeb bat ho rahee hey. maan ne poocha” woh kia beta”
chotey sardar ji boley “men jab bhi wash room ka darwaza kholta hoon, light khud ba khud on ho jatee hey.
maan yeh sun kar bohat ghusse men aajatee hen.kehtee hen:
“haram ki nasal! to woh tu hey jo rozana refrigerator men
peshab kar deta hey.
lolzzzzzzzzzzhahahhahahahah
good one jawwad,u know what that was a 9 year old kid doing it he had the courage to except it ,and some even when they become old and keep doing it .like mu…. u know who what do u say ,u tell me how many ever joke that u can ,but please do answer some question I have asked.
if i be killing innocent and if i die and go in front allah and repent allah will forgive me for killing innocent people and not forgive me for worshiping I dol is it,
u have become smart u are just telling joke and trying to divert the topic ,answer me and also keep telling joke ,its good to hear a joke insted of a abuse from a muslim.
@ to all the porks
@jairam,
what ever my language ! when you deserve such, why
should you complain ?
However, you still have killed in Gaza
1000 civilians Palestinians,
450 only were “CHILDREN ” bombed with phoshorus, like
nazi did.
4000 civilians Palestinians disabled and injured for life
you still have
450 millions of DALITS vulnerable to slow genocide
320 millions have nothing to eat and wear !
120 millions of Indian kids to be adopted by EU US
350 millions of minorities at the peril of extermination.
120,000 Kashmiri luslims genocided by Indian Army nazis.
7.000 kashmiri muslimahs raped
10.000 kashmiri muslims killed in custody by Indian Army
20.000 kashmiri muslims disappeared !
700.000 Indian Army maintaining Martial Law in Kashmir
YOU STILL WANT ME TO SPEAK TO YOU DECENTLY ?
answer me carefully !!! don’t you understand I am
addressing via you all your sustainers and supporters
of Human genocide and Butcherie, you civilized gandoos !
with sincere compliments
i think i have given the answer.havn’t i?
please read my post on January 14, 2009 @ 3:43 pm
that was not a dodging it was just a change of mood.
i can assure you the sense of humor in pakistanis is greater than any one else.that is why the pakistani comedians are famous.
killing in innocent is a bigger crime after “shirk” (polyetheism or antheism)and “zina” (adultry or fornication)
and most importantly it is only ALLAH(swt) who decides to who He has to forgive or punish.
it is forbiden for any muslim to take the life of innocent person.
you have ask too many question now i am asking you two simple question:
1) which nation or followers of the specific religion killed millions of innocent people.can you order them according to numbers of loss of innocent lives.
come with facts and figures..
(be care ful i could esily refute the wrong propaganda style answer)
2) millions of people lost their lives in iraq,afghanistan,kashmir and now more than 1100 palestinians in just 20 days. why there is always blame against muslims?…..
tell me what should a muslim resident of gujrat should do when he saw with his own eyes slaughtering of his loved ones when there is no justice on the appaling crimes against his own flash and blood.
why you people always neglect the actions why so focused on reactions? you even do not have the moral courage to condemn the barbaric act of zionist israelis…why?????because indian govt have close relation with israel….
so unhuman..
so sad….
@Dr jawwadkhan,
hilarious, your jokes please come with more !!
@roma,and the lot !
jokes smajhnay keliay demagh chahiey, your religious
masturbating must be frustrating for you guys,
apka maghaz, Dahi ban chukka he.