This is an art exhibition of 5 victims of the brutal Nasirabad honor killings it is an attempt to keep tehir memory alive via art and dialogue and seek justice for these women whose murder outrages teh entire nation
Art Exhibition and Dialogue
‘No Honor in Killing, Making Visible Buried Truth’
Location: Benazir Gallery
Institute of Art and Design, Sindh University, Jamshoro
Date: Friday Feb 13, 2009
Time: 10.30 to 12 noon
Comments
129 responses to “No Honor in Killing – Making Visible Buried Truth”
p.s. I find it amusing that theists that believe in Heaven and Hell, angels sitting on each shoulder etc etc are trying to lecture me on staying in the 'real world'. Oh well.
@Danial Burki,
your answer to Dr.Khan is a clever escapade from
the subject of Zionism !
btw, are a convinced Secular ? and
you know what is zionism ? their ambitions ?
why judaism distanced from zionism ?
Who, what and why Jamia Hafsa ?
why revolution of 1917, ?
why Karl Marx, ?
Why Lenin ?
why Secular Stalin ?
why 1968 barricades and gigantic protest,all over Europe?
why suppression, why oppression,
why the west today is completely neutralised by their
seculars ?
Why Pakistani PPP, ANP, and MQM's dictators call
themselves " Seculars " ( anti-Islam )
I wonder what is your reaction, Sir ?
Hi dr.Jawwad
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@farrah!
thanks. but don't you think that what vaneet kundra said is not entirely wrong? at least about power centers.
@ d barki!
so it is decided.at least one thing.
if i see my wife in the arms of another man i,ll kill them both. and when you see your wife in the arms of a stranger, you will not blow the fuse and stick to the "golden" principles of secularism.
hey danial! you remind me a joke.
one day a britisher came home earlier than expected. he saw a stranger fucking his wife on his favourite sofa.he was shocked to see that. in the state of extreme anger he decided some thing…..
the next day he sold his favourite sofa.
lolz
tumharee tehzeeb apney khanjar se aap khudkashi kar le gee
shakh e nazuk pe jo aashiyana ho ga na paa e dar hoga
end of the discussion
Sorry this is the correct one
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@Dr Jawwad
some of the details in your post were quite graphic but apart from English films it never happens.Europe belives in honesty above all in relationships.Often they do not marry and live as partners but that commitment and loyalty is stronger than marriage.
anyway we should not apply our rule of judgement to another society.
Danial
This is no different from the justifications presented by the likes of Senator Zehri.
Good point.
@farrah k raja!
1) women murdered in naseerabad area was not because they commited adultery or fornication,they were murdered because they stand for their right to choose their spouses.
the right which is given by islam and constitution of pakistan.
2)my point was entirely different from that particular circumstance.you know that.
3) sana ullah zahri supported the murder of those ladies because according to tribal custom it is shameful for a tribesman that his daughter exercise his right to choose her spouse.
4) i am sure the condition which i was pointed is entirely different from the condition in which murder was supported by sana ullah zahri.so please do not say that there is no diffrence at all.
5) can you digest any criticism (right or wrong) against pakistan army? how can you expect me not to respond against any derogatory remarks and cheap criticism on my religion in the disguise of "enlightend moderation" type secularism.
6) can you please tell me what are glorius and noble reasons behind this kind of open marriages beside protecting their income in case of divorce?
7) "we should not apply our rule of judgement to another society"
quite right,only if we formulated those rules by ourselves then it could be wrong. but if you believe that
those rules given to us by NABEE E KAREEM(pbuh)bestowed to him by ALLAH(swt) then we have a right to analyse any society or civilization.
Mr Khan,
It is amusing that you're the only person who has resorted to constant personal attacks in this conversation in an extremely distasteful and judgemental way. Yet you're the one accusing others of it! Wow.
And I find it even more amusing that you have declared, after citing a pompous couplet, that the discussion is "over", without you having 'discussed' anything. All you've done is throw cheap, personal shots (which says a lot more about your 'honour' and 'character' than it does for me) and make futile attempts to sideline the debate from the original question.
But now that you've explicitly stated that you would not only sympathise with murderers in such cases but would commit murder yourself, I realise that I have been barking up the wrong tree.
Mr Asad Ali: Please do not fall for the theses of quacks like Harun Yahya/Adnan Oktar, Zaid Hamid and their likes. The history of Zionism has been dispassionately analysed by many top scholars, including Niall Ferguson, Nazih Ayubi and Syed Vali Nasr; I recommend them highly. While no one is denying the existence of Zionism, its role in the events you've mentioned is either minimal or non-existent. It would serve people well in the Muslim world in general, and Pakistan in particular, to stop hiding behind conspiracy theories whose "proof" is found on dodgy websites and in unreliable, distorted texts. If only people would just trust their own faculty of reason…
p.s. In response to point number 7 in the post above, that Muslims have the right to judge any society and civilisation, how arrogant! Which is why I find it laughable that people feed off welfare states like Denmark, France and Britain, and then get their beards in a twist because they are "offended" by their "unjust" free speech.
One cannot help but wonder: For a religion that claims to be the absolute truth, and for the followers of a man that claimed to be the final prophet, Muslims sure are insecure. If they really do have the absolute truth, why do they need to kill everyone that questions their faith? The insecurity and medievalism of thought is mind-boggling.
insecure?
not inseure…..offended
offended by highly poisnous, cheap,derogatory remarks by lowlife, cunt licking, swinish freak like salman rushdee and his bastard children all over the world.
on the one side we have rehmat ul lil alameen(pbuh) for whome ALLAH(swt) said in Quran e kareem:
"Allah and His Angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.
(sura al ahzab-56)
and what we see some animal with two legs spew the filth from his swinish mouth against the highness and the greatness of the most exalted and revered personality of the mankind in the name of freedom of expression.
people do offended…
@ farrah!
"who are Muslims to lecture on the propriety of sexual behavior given that Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was only nine-years-old?”
i am not shocked by these sacrilegious remarks by a man who born in muslim family. These modern time lowlife, SOBs secularists of Pakistan are no different from salman rushdee.
These loelives forget every thing in haste to criticize Nabee e Kareem (saaw).
1) Please do not forget the time period when this marriage took place i.e 1400 years ago. People do marry at that time in younger ages.people still do.
2) The climate of Arabian peninsula and it’s affect on the body. Arab become adult more earlier than any race in the world.
3) These low lives accuse Prophet Mohammed of sensuality, surrounding himself with young women. Who was not married until he was twenty-five years of age, then he and his wife lived in happiness and fidelity for twenty-four years, until her death when he was fourty-nine. Only between the age of fifty and his death at sixty-two did Prophet Mohammed take other wives, only one of whom was a virgin, and most of them were taken for dynastic and political reasons.
4) Tell me farrah how can we give these perverted freaks a right to spew the filth against our Nabee e Kareem(saaw) most exalted of all.
What is sacrilegious about point out facts? According to my research, entirely from Muslim sources, Ayesha WAS betrothed to Mohammed at the age of six, and the marriage was consummated at the age of nine.
Also, so what if the marriage took place 1400 years ago? People used to bury their daughters alive; Mohammed stopped that practice. So why couldn't he stop the marriage of children to older men?
Are you seriously telling me that a nine-year-old had the understanding of her being and state of mind to consent to marriage with a much older man? Would you allow the marriage of your nine-year-old daughter; even if she has physically matured?
And then just because you cannot answer these questions in a rational framework, you will start using abusive language against posters like me. And then you tell others that they are perverted freaks. What a laugh.
p.s. To your point that people still marry children: they are called paedophiles and in civilised communities, they are put in jail.
Mr.Daniel Burki
I do not understand the comment was concluded ,why you continued on writing stuff which clearly people would not like well.
Why you have picked up on Dr Jawwad ?Just because he honestly argued his point?
This could be me as well .I am very thankful to men that they spared me,have you seen any other woman commenting on this ,it is not that they do not have words ,or they do not have openion but it is the fear of back lash.
In this extremely sensitive discussion you have jumped in and you sound like you are a Musharraf supporter and Pakistani but I do not think so.
Musharraf Supporters can be modern in their appearence or bold outspoken people but they are sincere and loyal to this country and Islam.
No Muslim would speak about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)the way you did.Reason being Muslims what ever Nationality they are do not PERCIEVE Prophet Muhammad the way you did.
Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was a human being ,born and bred in this world,he grew up and died as normal human beings.He was the most influential person of his time period and he brought freedom to the people,from the actual shackles and fetters of slavery.Muhammad is the man who said there is no difference of cast and creeds in Religion.
Most Succesful General,Humanitarian,Startegist and Religious Leader .
He was a friend,a father,a husnband ,an orphan,a boy,a trades man too.
Very shamefully you picked up only the point to contemplate how his children were concieved.
Dear his matrimonial life was same as was of your parents or mine parents or as is for rest of the world.
I do not understand why you bring Prophet Muhammad in this whole conversation.
For your kind information when Danish cartoons were published Channel 4 (UK) had open forum discusion took place between people of different faiths and their was a poll ,should these Cartoons be shown on Channel 4.It was the dession of majority to say NO.It was all mix people.
I can dig this programme and post it for you.
I do not understand why Dr Awab has taken this risk to publish you.Clearly I would not because ,yes !it hurts Muslims and you can be in serious danger .
Tuheen-e-Risalaat is not and should not be acceptable in Pakistan.
I do not want a democracy or bullshit of civilisation which does not respect my faith or me.
Set Norms of society cannot be challenged,if I go to Saudia I am not suppose to roam around in streets without Hijab.
I cannot go to Hajj without Man.No non-muslim is allowed in KABBA.
Tuheen-e-Risalaat is not acceptable.
I am just surprised what motivates you to challenege the followers of SECOND LARGEST FAITH on the plannet Earth.
Tuheen-e-Risaalat is not a question of Human Rights in Pakistan.From Africa to Europe,from USA to Asia ,everyone who speaks insultingly about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)must be ready to face the consequences.It was never Pakistan the most strongest reaction always come from Paksitan.
Do you dare to challenge Muslims of Iran ?
Call Muslims insane,mad,barbaric,idiots,yes they are,MUSlIMS would never compromise on their Prophet (pbuh).
Before people pick up on you I wish you to shutup.
To your point that people still marry children: they are called paedophiles and in civilised communities, they are put in jail.
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The statement above is complete "Bullshit".What is child pornography ?Where does it happen?
Why men go to poor countries for their holidays,why they buy children?
What happens at the borders of Europe?
Policeman,Judges ,Teachers,Priests,this is human nature,all sort of people are in all sort of societies.
Paedophiles is completely a diferent issue.
Anyways
They say their are only two people who are not afraid of Bomb one is scientist and other is stupid.
So you can be the scientist actually who is engineering a time bomb of angry mob.
EUROPE KO KOI SURKHAB KAI PER NAHEIN LAGAI HUWAE
Madam, I have been nothing but respectful and straightforward in my tone. I have not used any abusive language (unlike others!) nor have I used a derogatory tone. I have clarified again and again that all this is based on sources I have consulted, and then I have furthered questions that arise based on those findings. How is that disrespectful?
As for child pornography and sex trade, the most active countries working AGAINST these things are in the West. Whereas the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia recently decreed that it is perfectly fine to marry children. Also, the priests accused of child abuse were punished in the West, with almost a billion dollars paid out as fine by the Catholic Church itself. In Pakistan, when one honest government official at the Ministry of Religious affairs released a report documenting over 2000 cases of rape and sexual abuse by ulema in madrassas, the government got scared and withdrew that report because it was "insulting" to the ulema. Should we really care if an aalim or imam that rapes young boys is insulted? The standards applied to crime in the West and in the Muslim world are very different. So tell me, who is holding the moral high ground here? And please be honest, without bias.
Further, I am not a Musharraf supporter. In fact, I was out on the streets protesting with the lawyers for over a year until he resigned. So please, unlike Dr Khan, do not assume things about me. Why is it that people here cannot discuss anything without throwing personal insults and accusations?
It is sad that these things cannot be discussed. Whatever religious people – be they Muslims, Christians or Jews – cannot defend, they term off-limits and kill anyone who raises questions.
You are right, though: regardless of how respectfully I try to engage people on this topic, they will still want to kill me. I'll take your advice and be quiet. My best wishes to you all.
Mr.Danial
This is complete mis-conception:
"
It is sad that these things cannot be discussed. Whatever religious people – be they Muslims, Christians or Jews – cannot defend, they term off-limits and kill anyone who raises questions."
I am born and brought up in Lahore,there are at least twenty schools in Lahore alone which have got Churches with them.In my owm college FCC Lahore there is a Church and prayer does goes on their every Sunday.
Nobody says tham anything.
My best friend was a Christian.Her mother was a teacher,her father was in army.I celebrated Christmas with her and she celebrated Eid with me.
People of Pakistan,Christians,Hindus ,Muslims and Sikhs do live peacefully.
Unfortunately it is people who because of uncareful wording do attract unwanted attention.
Sometimes people are delibrately harrased and targetted as well.
Freedom of speach might be important ,but I cannot stand at London or New York airport and say ,there is a bomb,you can imagine what would be the response.
People will die in caos ,thousands of flights will be cancelled ,what should happen to me than.
I would say definite imprisonment and fine.
Some psychopathic,sad person or some drunk person can kill me as well.
I think Pakistan is a very tolerant society .If we keep people in prospective ,of course nobody can judge a mob.
In countries like UK and US which are non-Islamic countries
Salman Rushdie and rest need 24 hour security .
It is not the matter of law ,it is the matter of human sentiment.But we should look into cases where these charges are brought up falsely against people.
Danial
"So tell me, who is holding the moral high ground here? And please be honest, without bias."
Once I went to Punjab Public Library Lahore.I went into the Islamic section.I wanted to see what sort of books on Islam are there.
I was shocked ,one book said ,a woman who wears perfume is like she had sex and should be murdered.
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I cannot say that all such books should be burnt or half of Public library should be burnt.
I think it should never be burnt ,this is history ,this psychology ,it is this psychology which produces the teachers which you have talked about.
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These are important and controvercial issues.We ahve to handle them sensitively.
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Today if I say these people should be hanged tomorrow half of the country wants to hang me.
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This is exactly what happened at Lal Masjid,Nation is divided,to half of them they were extremists ,to other halfthey were innocents.
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We have to approach such issues sensitively,without involving Prophet and Quran.
If a molvi or Islamic study teacher is involved in rape or abuse,it has got nothing to do with religion,it is the personal intent of this person,which must be punished.
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If the problem is as huge as you pointed out,there should be examplry punishment .
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on the question of Moral High Ground ,I would not judge but in case of fair trial and Justice definitely I feel safer in Europe.
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I must appreciate your courage to put these questions forward but I would say be careful.
thanks farrah!
reading this guy is as difficult as hell.
while having discussion with this guy just keep in mind that these creatures are not secular at all.they are anti islamic element.
i know the the real secular guys and no one stinks like this shit of a pig.
Dr Jawwad
I had a serious debate with him.I could understand what he was saying.I do not think he is secularist.I think he is just a person who is fed up of the society which doesnot want to do anything about the small or bigger injustices.
I would like to think ,when rest of the people in the world are accepting Islam,what is it that is turning people away from Islam in Pakistan.
It is the society.People want equality,justice,oppertunity and freedom of speach,it is a fare demand.It is not anti-Islamic.
All of us do get carried away at times.But never mind it happens.
I remember when I read HADOOD ORDINANCE of Asma Jahangir ,I was eighteen years old and I could not sleep because of fear ,injustice and abuse going on in our society .Today I might be skeptic about her but when a woman in Pakistan is left without any aid,when her own brothers and father turns against her,the very people who are suppose to provide her security when they want to kill her,at that times,Asma Jahangir does help.
HRCP and Ammnesty people are doing great job ,they are above governments they are not secularist or socialist,their religion is beautiful it is humanity.
Blogs as I always apreciate are there to exchange views and allow people to express themselves.Sometimes it helps big time to know you are not alone.
Everyone has a right to express themselves.On somethings let us do it sensitively.
No bad feelings guys,Danial and Dr Jawwad!!
i have red da commentz and brother jwwad khan is rite
they is anti islam element.
islam is religon uv peace, but those dat dont agree wid us shud be killed like dogs and pigz
i agree brother jawwad, i will kill my wife too if she betray my honor.
zionists hve planted doubt in our mindz. we dont need any questions, blind faith iz best.
DEATH 2 ZIONISTS!
DEATH 2 ISRAEL!
DEATH 2 AMERICA
DEATH 2 EVERYONE BUT MUSLIMZ
some research work about the age of hazrat ayesha(RA)
http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-socia…
Dr Jawwad,lol
@reading this guy is as difficult as hell.
Because you were thinking he is attacking your faith.That was not the case.
He didnot realise he is challenging you or any of us.He just wrote what he really felt.I know someone like him very well that is myself.
Dear Mommin
blind faith iz best.
Blind faith is indeed best in believing in God not in killing people.
I am sorry for the woman who will marry you.
but sister farah, im only agree wid brother jwwad, who said he luk for guidance in holy quran and sunnah, wich is best guidance in universe. i only say follow that. ppl who ask questions abt holy quran and belovd prophet should be killed. also, i wud get angry and kill wife or sister if she harm honor of family. brother jwwad, wat is ur opinion?
Why Europeans are tolerant to religious belief and why they avoid to discuss it because they fully understand what is sacred to one person can be offensive to other.
All I can say is we must develop tolerance ,as Islam preaches as well.Islam means PEACE.
Mommin
I do not think anybody would advise you to do that.
But tell me how would you feel if your sister is murdered by her husband just because he is extremely angry man .When you know your sister is not corrupt.
@ Danial Burki,
you argue like a Fake secular communiste but who is
necessarily a Qadiani Mubaligh !!
Our Prophet (SAW) is the only major Reformer/Prophet,
last Prophet and as said Dr, Jawwadkhan
a Rehmat-all-il alamin, who introduced and implemented
the preventive measures and limits to reduce social
evils of that epoch and God knows today's as well,
– Ribah, toxic and alcohol banned,
– general Polygamy reduced, brought down to tetragamy
with conditions.
– Easy Divorce and allowed,
– Banned, forbade incest,
– Established marriage contract
– First time in human history women were granted
legal equality & heritage !
– Established laws to protect women, and sanctions for
those who violated them.
– Ordered Child's rights and protection,
I can continue on the whole blog !!
Prophet's marriages with all ages women, is first of all
a divine instruction and moral, just like Jesus was
born without a father is a devine order, but what you
failed to observe that ipsofacto age limit,
various ages of
Umahat-ul-momenine, the unique Statut of women was
inscribed for ever i.e.
the legal status of wives.
the door to abuse, exploitations, disrespect, degradation
femme-objet, sexual object, utencils discarding after use,
were for ever closed,
The civilizations stranger to Islam, could never
understand why this revolution
" women equal to us,men " or religious belief
that women is an eternal sin, or origin of sin
and all the bullshit!!
I hope you are not stranger to the evil in other
civilizations, contemporary or ancient like Greek
and Roman the social evils like
Incest, all the western philosopher, intellectuals
and "sociologues" were either incestuous, homos and
Paedophily, was part of culture.
Nitche, Voltaire, Darwin, Freud, Pascal, hundreds others
founder of modern WEST, were always in their CV added
homos, Incestuous, or Paedophiles which was never
forbidden till 1980, being a homos is still tolerated
and legal and they are all religious. The marriage is
an allergy for western, the divorce rate is 85 % and
on top of it Church does not allow divorce even today.
I can continue on the whole blog.
@farrah k raja!
"He didnot realise he is challenging you or any of us.He just wrote what he really felt.I know someone like him very well that is myself"
this was a delibrate blasphemy.read the particular para again. what mulims add when they write the name of mohammed and ayesha. "hazrat, saaw, pbuh and ummul momineen, RA".
secondly read the para again it is simply a blasphemy.
please do not try to pacify all the sides.it is a different issue.
and also please do not mingle the two different conditions.redhandedness is a quite different thing than the false allegation.
@momin!
true. but there is a difference between blasphemy and search of truth.you can not kill non muslim just because he has some reservations and he wanted to share with you.
what i said about the honor killing that if some one find his wife or sister in indecent position with stranger and if he kill in the state extreme anger than court should show the mercy.why???because of this:
http://www.maududi.org/writing/readrm.php?aid=rm0…
in islamic jurisprudence you have no right to kill any one except in jihad against armed enemies.
@ Danial Burki,
Prophet Muhammed (SAW) marriages with various ages
of women was a procedural devine orders and
intructions, (Jesus born without Father) Quran !
that is why
– Prophet Muhammed reformed the entire status for women,
– removed polygamy and limit down to tetragamy,
– Established legal Statut of a wife, without age
distinction.
– Established women's right to heritage ( first time in
human history)
– Established marriage contract
– Her obligatory consent for a marriage !
– Possession of her wealth and belongings to herself.
– Onwnership, partnerhsip and proprietorship rights,
and many others,
would I be an idiot to refuse a young wife 20 years
younger than me,
you sound like a fake secular hidden behind Qadianism,
as a mubaligh ! I might be wrong, but Dr JawwadKhan
would certainly fall alerted !
9 or 11 years old girl is aware of everything,
particularly an 11 years old girl from Islamabad
interviewed by CNN reciting amazing poetry against
Talibans and honored by winning a title of
"Taliban Slayer" check website "changinguppakistan "
Mr.Burki
World Biggest Industry is Weapon's Industry, you know
which is the second one ? Child pornography,
and the third one is Religious sects, all non-islamic.
300.000 only in Christianity, 30.000 only in USA.
you better relax.
Thank u 4 ur commentz, brother jawwad. also, u hve really taught this infidel pig a leson! i luv how u called him shit of pigz! lol
thanks also 4 da link, i hv read many books like this. islam is truly a wise religin that teaches respct, mercy and peace.
DEATH TO ZIONIST PIGS!
DEATH TO GR8 SATAN AMERCA!
DEATH TO ALL EXCEPT TRU MUSLIMS!
Dear Pakistani men
The Rightiest and the leftiest,the moderate,the moderns,the liberals and the secularist.
Today when I stepped out of my office I was a very happy woman .Just a normal day at work.
While my journey home I started to think why no women has commented on the post.Actually why women do not post on the blog.
And I realsied if I would have been in Pakistan I would have not commented.
The fear,the darkness engulfed me,this pain is unbearable.
You do not know this pain because you are men.It is your world it is your society,it is your law,it is your Quran and woman is your property.
I could not stop but cry helplessly thinking about those women who have been murdered ,who keep saying they do not know anyone,they have no affairs and they have no boyfriends.Nobody listens to them.
You men will always be right because you are men.You have to decide if I can have medical attention or not because you are the bill payers.You men have to decide weather I should have education or not.
You men have to decide if I can have a computer or not.You have to decide if I can use a computer,can I admit,I know English,you men have to decide can I type or would it be a challenge to your pride or ego.
You men,I have to explain to what I was doing when you were away ,how much time I spent on cooking,why I am wearing this colour,why I want to speak to my friend,why I want to visit my neighbour,you men have to decide who I am going to marry?
You men have to decide how corrupt which women is?The wrong is not in me.It is in you.
I cannot ask you why?How ?Please?You have the self acclaimed right to hit women without realising how much it hurts.
You who do not allow married women to see their family.You men I try to please you since the day I am born.Please my father,please my brother,please my husband ,please my son ,always scared………..yuo sit in the court rooms and your judge and I cannot say a word,it is insult to your pride to consult a woman you have to speak to my father,my brother.
Do you know this is your real face.This face is not only Pakistani men,this face is face of Muslim men,this face is face of Asian men and this face is face of Some European as well.
You take pride that God has made you superb and strong than you must know He has made you so to defend the weak ,not to become the opperessor.Do not use the women as a punch bag she is a human and it hurts.
Women do not say anything,because what ever they say is a crime,an evidence recorded in your memory.
Think sympathetically I am a woman ,I am a human,I can tell th etruth,respect me I can guard myself and help me I need your help and advocate for me because even when I shout ,your voice is louder than me.
When would I be forgiven the crime of being born as a women.
You remember all the qoutes and Shariat on killing you forget very conveniently how Prophet Muhammad loved Fatimah.
You forget it was Hazrat Khadejah who proposed Prophet Muhammad.
I was born free as a Muslim woman it is you the men who has interprestted Islam as per your convenience.
Why women are so quite at least they could murder you on the blog but I do not know they let you go and I am one of them.
Asad
Your comment is very valid and actually thanks for writing all these ,these are my reasons that I am a Muslim women and I take pride in it.
@ doctor Jawwad
secondly read the para again it is simply a blasphemy."
I noticed that in first instance and responded to him.He did not persue it.
Out of matrimony it is upto his mind what he wants to drive.Matrimony is for sex and children.No denying the fact ,Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did married Hazarat Ayesah.
Barki thinks it is wrong,Muslims do not think so,neither do I .
@Momin DEATH TO ALL EXCEPT TRU MUSLIMS!
momin sahab aapka naam tu momin hai
Baaqi kahan jain?
Mr.Yassir
Where is your blog ,Do not work too hard?Just provide the link I will right for you ?
And I am Farru Appa not Farru only.
This is beyond funny. Just a quick glance through above comments shows that the so called "defenders" of the Prophet's and Islam's honor are using the most foul and vulgar language and calling obscene names to those who are raising, right or wrong, questions about history of Islam or Prophet's marital practices.
The really ironic and telling part is that the Maulana Maududi article these "defenders of honor" are referring to again and again actually start off by talking about how the "enemies" of Islam act belligerently and disrespectfully towards Muslims in arguments by using foul and vulgar language to shut up the Muslims. The comments of this post show complete opposite. I do not see a single sentence in above comments where the so called "zionists", "neo-cons","anti-Muslims" etc etc called any obscene names or used vulgar language towards other commenters.
No wonder these so called Muslims are the most backward and humiliated people on the face of earth today. Pickup any newspaper anywhere and you will find how they are getting their a&& kicked in every corner of the world. I hope the dude who is shouting death to Zionists and Americans etc etc realize that while he is busy shouting death to everyone its mostly Muslims who are DYING around the world in hundreds and thousands.
Maybe if these "honorable" Muslims will stop killing their unarmed sisters and daughters then they will be able to improve their own lot and fight the real enemy.
Any way
I am a happy person because I am a woman.Because we are women we can forgive you .Because we are mothers ,daughters and sisters ,we do take pride in you and because our world is so incomplete without you ,we tolerate you.
If you cannot be good companions women do not need you.
You who cannot tolerate hate in your son's eyes look into the eyes of your daughter .
What are you if as a mother,as a wife as a daughter ,as a sister I do not love you.Respect that.
If you are shocked to read the above and if you feel bad than you are the nice one.:)
Harpasand
Maybe if these “honorable” Muslims will stop killing their unarmed sisters and daughters then they will be able to improve their own lot and fight the real enemy.
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Look who is talking.See your face although worshipping KAALI ,as a goddess,out of house you have made women a sex symbol,selling in the name of religion and Kama Sutra.
Satte is Indian religious ritual.
Daughters are killed with the sands ,girls terminated in the wombs.
Women cannot get married without a dowry and burnt alive even after a dowry.
Humiliated degraded like an animal ,women has to touch your feet,What are Men in your culture ,BHAGWAN.
I prefer Muslims at least they are human and not gods.
I am so glad ,I am a Pakistani girl and not Indian .I am a Rajput and who else can know the curse of Indian society better than me.False pride and flase ego and naam kai musalman.
I am so glad I am born in a muslim family at least half of my pain is gone .Only if my father was as understanding a Muslim as I am.
He is too proud on his Rajputism which I hate.
S.harpasand!
"The really ironic and telling part is that the Maulana Maududi article these “defenders of honor” are referring to again and again actually start off by talking about how the “enemies” of Islam act belligerently and disrespectfully towards Muslims in arguments by using foul and vulgar language to shut up the Muslims"
how can you understand that?
what make a muslim got so much offended by derogatory remarks against thier exalted prophet(pbuh)?
how can you undertsand that?
may be because you do not have that prophet(pbuh)
and what make you give us bhashan on any thing?
you belong to that country where people practice worst kind of abasement of humanity….. yes! cast system which is not existed any where in the world world never.
india where 2000 people messacred with out any level of sorrow,grief and slightest remorse.
and not a single person is convicted.yet the main culprit is enjoying the status of a chief minister?
have a look at these pic and ask urself, that are you really in position to give any one a bhashan?
http://www.urdunet.com/gujarat/gujaratphotos.htm
may be because no body told you people are the biggest joke on planet earth.
ummm…..are you implying that I am hindoo, therefore you respond by insulting hindoos ? That is effing laughable and pathetic.
But for the sake of argument let me indulge you. So you are defending your brother/father's brutal murder of your daughter/sister in the name of THEIR family honor by showing us that hindoos would have done the worst to you? If that is all you have to offer in defense of your brother/father's murder of your daughter/sister then I truly truly truly feel sorry for your own daughters. Shame on you. Utter shame on you.
PS: For the sake of record, I am a practicing Muslim.
This is unbelievable!!!
You guys are so clueless, insecure and lack even basic intelligence to present a credible defence of your own arguments. All you can do is insult another religion and culture to defend the barbarism and wrongs of your own?
I could care less about hindoos, they have their own problems, they are probably no better and no worst then us. Stop using them and their problems as excuse for your own crimes.
Why is it so hard to admit that honor killing is WRONG and it is the worst kind of MURDER and that it happens in our society IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. Rather then spending your efforts and energy to STOP it you want to defend it and find FALSE and dubious basis for it in Islamic history ?
Mr Harpasand
AOUCH!!!so quick to take offence;
@therefore you respond by insulting hindoos ?
No!!!
I am just saying my post is not aginst muslim men I am saying my protest is against all Asian men,be they Chinese,Bengalis,Indian,Iranian ,Nepalese,Sri Lankan be it my father a born muslim taking pride in Rajputism.
My protest is against all of you.
Isnt it Sita though who had to walk through fire???
At least in this opperession I do not segregate on the basis of religion becuase religion has been used by all men for the subjugation of women.
I cannot allow any man to hijack my plea just because his name is Tom,Jhon,George,Tango,Amrit,Dalip,Ajeet , Xin Yang,Tong ,Pong ,lee ,Vankataramayan,Southananan,Tipu ,Taimur or Shaikh something XYZ
sorry dear i took you wrong.
may be because you all look same to me.
Harpasand
We are having dialogue ,it is not making sense to you .You are making judgements .
We make perfect sense among ourselves.
You have to be Pakistani to understand what we are talking about.
Killing does not happen in our cities neither it happen everyday,none the less it does happen and we re trying to establish ,where it is feudal based socity prejudice,where it is law ,where it is religion which interferes?
So far I am convinced it is not religion it is the GHAIRAT
which has been infused into Fuse brain of men because of living in a culture which was deeply biased against women.
The biggest gali is Ghairat orientated,WOH SIKH KAI SAATH NIKLE GAYEE.
WOH MUSLAI KAI SAITH PHIR RAHEE THEE.
Iskai totai kardo is not Islamic,it is cultural.
Islamic is Shariat and thus we have discussed that in detail.
Unwaan daikh ker muzmoun nahien bhamptai
Dr Jawwad
Come on,it does not matter ,if one is Hindu or Muslim or Secular or liberal,look at the arguement.if someone is Muslim it does not mean we will allow them to get away by saying anything.
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Harpasand Ji
My fellow bloggers are shocked today to see my out put in words today I am taking extreme pleasure
See I am a women who want to take revenge of silence of women.You entered at wrong time:)
@farrah!
not shocked but surprized.
it really need a lot of energy.
you are really a amazing woman.
how do you do that?
today you raised a question which made me realy sad.
"I would like to think ,when rest of the people in the world are accepting Islam,what is it that is turning people away from Islam in Pakistan"
you know why???
because it is pakistan.
every one wash here.
@ my observations,
harpasand, your education is based on Bajrangdal
and shuddhi movement, your" morals" are as white
as a grey donkey, as false as Salman Rushdi's
honouring Sir to a donkey. Please learn to have
clean thoughts and not hatemongering between the lines.
that is crook !!
@ Haripasand, is not aware of why, there are
450 millions of Dalits,killed religiously everyday.
320 millions of minorities burned alive everyday
the genoide of Kshmiris that he ignores, and he has
the balls to teach others " morality " famous Hindu
killer instinct morality ? if he is not a hindou,
so what? hindouism in coming out of him.
Thank you Dr.Jawwad
How do i do that ?Because I am a woman?
On The question:
today you raised a question which made me realy sad.
To be honest I am extremely pleased ,change doesnot take place in one day.We really have broken free of many Hindu traditions.
It is only because of Pakistan that we have this oppertunity to discus and to evaluate our history our prejudice our fears .Our freedom ,our values,our religion.
No,people of Independent state of Pakistan are a mature Nation and we are a Muslim Nation and we are emerging.