In a shocking discovery reports have emerged from simply Google Earth images evidence of three drones parked on an airfield in some remote destination within Baluchistan, the images were captured by orbiting satellites and archived within Google Earth data warehouse to suddenly be discovered recently. Though there is no denying that during the Musharraf regime bases were rented out to the American army costing them a massive deficit to the tune of $10 Billion. But what probably irks the nation is that the Pakistani government have categorically denied that the Pakistani bases are being used to launch drones-
Omar Qureshi who writes for The News broke this discovery locally in Pakistan
The picture of the drones on the Pakistani soil, taken in 2006, has three drones, all Global Hawks. The picture has coordinates and they can be vaguely read as 27 degrees, 51 minutes North; 65 degrees, 10 minutes East. These coordinates place the strip not far from the nearby Jacobabad airbase which is around 28 degrees north, 68 degrees east.
One can easily verify the authenticity of the picture taken in 2006 with the 2009 image found online on Google Maps by merely inserting the above coordinates [or follow this LINK] in satellite mode
The Times Online also carried the report
The CIA is secretly using an airbase in southern Pakistan to launch the Predator drones that observe and attack al-Qaeda and Taleban militants on the Pakistani side of the border with Afghanistan, a Times investigation has found. The Pakistani and US governments have repeatedly denied that Washington is running military operations, covert or otherwise, on Pakistani territory — a hugely sensitive issue in the predominantly Muslim country.
The Pakistani Government has also repeatedly demanded that the US halt drone attacks on northern tribal areas that it says have caused hundreds of civilian casualties and fuelled anti-American sentiment. But The Times has discovered that the CIA has been using the Shamsi airfield — originally built by Arab sheikhs for falconry expeditions in the southwestern province of Baluchistan — for at least a year. The strip, which is about 30 miles from the Afghan border, allows US forces to launch a Drone within minutes of receiving actionable intelligence as well as allowing them to attack targets further afield
But it all started a few days earlier when Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee commented on 13th of February that unmanned CIA Predator aircraft operating in Pakistan are flown from an air base in Pakistan. The disclosure also marked the first time a U.S. official had publicly commented on where the Predator aircraft patrolling Pakistan take off and land.
The CIA declined to comment, but former U.S. intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, confirmed that Feinstein’s account was accurate.
While Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University, said Feinstein’s comments put Pakistan’s government on the spot.
If accurate, what this says is that Pakistani involvement, or at least acquiescence, has been much more extensive than has previously been known,” he said. “It puts the Pakistani government in a far more difficult position [in terms of] its credibility with its own people. Unfortunately it also has the potential to threaten Pakistani-American relations.
Chowrangi very rightly sums up the dilemma facing the people of Pakistan
But now the cat is out of the bag. So that is once more proved that how much regard American and our own government has for the people who reside in Pakistan. Their lives are of no value and our own government is involved in the killings. What a shame and what a sorry state of affairs. Another lie of our president has been caught and nobody knows how many more are on the way
For now the Government of Pakistan has a lot of explaining to do and just mere diversion tactics towards Musharraf might alone not help their case.
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143 responses to “Drones parked in our own backyard, to Bomb our own People”
my point was not the percentage.ein stien
my point was the way how world looked in the victory of hamas.
while the whole world is observing as a sweeping victory pakistani fascist secular fascists were fighting with the reality in a dark smelly room and in the state of denial they construed that, "hey guys!this is not a sweeping victory hamas just gain only 42%.
english is not my language will or would i don't care.
it must be a matter of proud for you not for me.
Interesting to see the discussion here. I'll add some american perspective (which may be clearly unwelcome by some here):
1. If 9/11 were a one-off in tactics or intent there might be a better shot of it being an "inside job." However, as everyone knows, 9/11 fit a pattern. Whether the work of Hamas, Al Qaeda, the Taliban or the latest group that attacked Mumbai, suicide terror attacks (including hijackings) designed for maximum media exposure have been embraced by Islamist terrorists for decades now. While it's obviously been tempting for some (American or not) who see the US at its omnipotent and imperialistic worst to have staged its own death cult murdering spree, it is far more likely that the 9/11 attacks (along with London, Spain, USS Cole, etc.) were in fact the work of those who do this sort of thing on a fairly regular basis. I don't expect to change anyone's opinions here but I do find it curious that those who believe the US Govt orchestrated 9/11 also happen to really hate the US Govt and also somehow believe it to be all-powerful – a concept which anyone who has ever dealt with the US govt can only find truly hilarious.
2. Trust me: the US would really rather not have any military operations in Afghanistan or Pakistan – we have far better things to spend our money on these days than fighting a bunch of narcotic smuggling religious zealots in their tribal homeland (to say nothing of the loss of our soldiers). Unfortunately Afghanistan remains a largely failed state and Pakistan's major accomplishments in the last 10 or so years appear to be sending terrorists to its neighbors and nuclear designs to anyone with a Swiss bank account. We would vastly prefer that Afghanistan find a way to put down its guns and that Pakistan get its act together and become (no offense) more like India – we'd happily send you our customer service jobs instead of drones and F16s.
3. You might notice that our current president (elected by the largest majority in a national election in years) voted against the war in Iraq and campaigned on a promise of bringing the troops home from there. Is this really an imperialistic society? Hell no.
4. Finally, a little about me: I am white and Christian and from what you would probably call the "establishment" (a prominent US Senator actually attended my wedding). But I live in one of the most diverse areas in the world: East Harlem, NY. In my apartment building are Muslims, Hindus, African-Americans, Asians, Jews, Europeans, Latinos – if you read the list of residents in the mailroom it reads like the UN roll call. Furthermore I work in technology and have traveled all over the world, having had teams of people in Tokyo, Bangaluru, Krakow, and Tel Aviv all working for me at one time or another. I'm telling you all this because I believe in the ability for people of different religions and ethnicities to live together and work together peacefully. And more than anything that is what I believe America is all about and more than anything that is what I wish was common in every region of the world. I hope that we get there and that you are all apart of it.
Peace –
A New Yorker
B.S.
Good New Yorker!!
Where does your list of conspiracy begins and end.
I see a new name of victims who are culprits in your eyes,HAMAS.
Are you after them now.
It is good for a change,cannot stop killing Muslims,cannot cahne the names of countries,give them new names.
Is Hammas for Iran now?
It was Mujaheden in 1980
It was Osama in 2000
Eight years down the line it is Talibaan
and I like the sarcasm of PEACE as well you only forgot the spellings of PEACE in US dictionary are PIECE.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
rest can goto hell ,for the security of US people world must die
"But I live in one of the most diverse areas in the world: East Harlem, NY. In my apartment building are Muslims, Hindus, African-Americans, Asians, Jews, Europeans, Latinos – if you read the list of residents in the mailroom it reads like the UN roll call"
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Good you have good collection of all human species.Now rest must die.
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I am not sarcastic,get a ticket and get to Afghanistan border see how your soldiers are deying and mine,British soldiers and Pakistani and women and children and see there is no apartment left in Afghansitan and Swat.
We have no collection of community and blocks called houses left there.Now USA balmes Talibaan they are barbaric people.
They are Cave men.
You want Afghanis to put down the guns:
Why should they ,since 1980's you are providing them the guns.
You have taught them murder and butchery.
They are not robots they are human beings you cannot give guns one day use it agaisnt Russia and than say get lost.
What are your far better things I would like to know?
To Butcher people to plan mass murder to bring caos,to steal oil and gas and Historical monuments and precious gems and artifice from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Than you make films and make millions out of them.
Dear New Yorker ,you might be a hard working person,how your government has robbe dyou of your savings,how your government has bankrupted the world,how you allowed
GEORGE BUSH senior and junior 16 years have been a catastrophie and brutality of sanctions,hunger,wars on the rest of the world.
Dear you have no idea .
Obama says think how you would be seen by future generations.
I think and I am pleased we (Muslims) will be know as people who died,fighting, we will fight you for another century if this doesnot stop now.
STOP THE WAR and get out of my region I want peace for my people.
We will decide when we have to give up the arms.USA would not.
bomb us, we deserve it
there in no enough evedence these pictures are real. please give propper details. thanks. please let them run the govt.
That's for you Dany Boy!
http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/02/pflp-calls-…
And this..
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/amnes…
Both these links do not deny what AI has stated about Hamas, i.e. they continue to conduct a campaign of torture and murder against their PALESTINIAN opponents. Nowhere has AI "equated" the two. Every time anyone even mentions that Hamas are not washed in milk and descended from heaven, people think they're being "equated" with the warcrimes of the IDF.
If I worked for AI, I'd be pretty insulted given that authors like these and people like you don't exactly bother to read fully the content of the reports.
Is it really THAT hard to accept that Hamas can be murderers of their own people too? How would that acceptance exonerate the Israelis for their warcrimes?
Okay…its obvious YOU don't get the point…
Hamas is terrorist
PLO is terrorists
Hizbollah is terrorist
Hell….any body that opposes Israel/US/UK/EU mafia is terrorist…we should look to the heavens and pray that the Americans invade us as soon as possible so that we could be free, we should open our ports, borders and airports for any body who needs to find, bomb or drone any terrorists that they declare are hiding among us. Palestinians should accept whatever dictates that Israel and US impose on them, they should accept that God without informing them had promised their land to other people and therefore they should stop this resistance, act like nice well behaved occupied people, should not take any actions that would be deemed acting against agents of occupiers, because they are God's chosen people, as a matter fact Dany, Yes absolutely, in Iraq, Iran, all over central and South America, people should just stop resisting in order to avoid being labelled terrorists and become well behaved occupied and persecuted….
problem is Dany, people who scream terrorists at the top of their lungs each time the other side as much as shoots a bullet in retaliation of their murderous assults, they started their campaign this way
http://newmexico.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/3532_…
Now Dany, if you can't get THAT, then there is no help for
you…fine Hamas is terrorist!
Your dramatic rant still doesn't deny that Hamas killed its own people. How is that resistance against Israel?
Take a breath. Think. Then respond.
your "traumatic" and painful comments still doesn't answer the question:
who are you people?
where the hell you come from?
COLLABORATORS….after the deep deep breath…Collaborators…all resistances have them and all deal with them in that way….
your "traumatic" and sick remarks doesn't answer the question:
who are you people?
where the hell you come from?
KarimG, you, like your fellow Tallie lover Dr Jawwad, have just admitted that Hamas did indeed carry out the brutal campaign AI has reported.
Dr Jawwad, we come from the Evil Secular-Fascist Zionist Hindu Jew Qadiyani Dajjali Promiscuous Drunkard CIA-Mossad-RAW-Khad-MI5-MI6 786+666 9/11 sponsoring Republic of Lunaticstan.
If we are to talk about just 'killing' without context….
Algerians killed collaborators when they were fighting for independence…
so did Cubans, South Africans, Zambians, Kenyans, Indonesians, Mexicans, Americans, Canadians, Irish, Bosnians and probably any country that has had to fight some kind of outside interference…
Dany Boy, as a matter of fact the Allied Forces just at the end of WWII carried our one of the most brutal genocidal completely unnecessary assault on Dresden Germany, the whole city and surrounding was wiped out. As recently as 1991 GW the father carried out the modern day version of the same on retreating Iraqi forces on 'Highway of Death' and Dostam's forces with the help of Americans did the same with Taliban forces who surrendered in 2001.
So, if all your brilliantly argumentative brain wanted to achieve here was for us to admit that Hamas kills, and some times its own people 'outside a context', all of this was unnecessary, sure they do, who wouldn't in their circumstances!
And don't get offended by what the good doctor has to say, like him, I don't understand how you don't get it, that what an entity like Hamas does to defend itself, its movement or its territory can not be equated with what an occupying force does…and honestly you don't sound like an idiot, so I wonder!
The many instances you’ve quoted each deserve a discussion on their own; and yes, this discussion was about establishing that Hamas are not washed in heavenly light, and dehumanise and murder Palestinians too. You people were treating Hamas as such, and it was necessary to bring this to light. Now that you have accepted this, I have done my part in the discussion. The Palestinian people and history will judge whether Hamas only tortured and killed ‘collaborators’ or other political opponents as well. Quite frankly, if there was peace, Hamas would pretty much lose its reason to exist.
Hamas is terrorist
PLO is terrorists
Hizbollah is terrorist
above are not Terrorist at all.They are the freedom group of people who belong to a nation who has no army.
The people are brutally murdered by one of the strongest armies in the world who has the baking of smartest weapons.
PLO was involved in early days in hijacking planes etc but that route has been abandoned long time ago.
Dany…you just exposed yourself…go away now….nobody wants to talk to you any more
Dr Jawwad, we come from the Evil Secular-Fascist Zionist Hindu Jew Qadiyani Dajjali Promiscuous Drunkard CIA-Mossad-RAW-Khad-MI5-MI6 786+666 9/11 sponsoring Republic of Lunaticstan.
no no no……
"just a seculart fascist"
I'm an American contractor in Afghanistan and we have a workshop where we are able to fabricate low-cost photographic-only (so far) drones in our spare time.
My question is: if we are successful in landing at this "falconing" airport, is there anyone who will interfere with our aircraft if we simply want to do "touch-and-goes" on an isolated section?
We would like to inobtrusively photograph the tribal regions and would not cause anyone any trouble, and would probably not even be noticed with our gen III nighttime capabilites.
Thanks,
Rick S.
I have been around the world.it is a beautiful place;you should see it sometime.While it lasts
funniest thing i have heard so far…. but unfortunatly true….
how to get rid of all the IDIOTS (govt.)…. now we should start thinking on these lines….or a day will come when we will come to know..that "pakistan is actually in america"
"Drones parked in our own backyard, to Bomb our own People"
Maybe your "people" should stop throwing acid into girls faces for GOING TO SCHOOL.
KarimG, you, like your fellow Tallie lover Dr Jawwad, have just admitted that Hamas did indeed carry out the brutal campaign AI has reported.
Dr Jawwad, we come from the Evil Secular-Fascist Zionist Hindu Jew Qadiyani Dajjali Promiscuous Drunkard CIA-Mossad-RAW-Khad-MI5-MI6 786+666 9/11 sponsoring Republic of Lunaticstan.
Those who are in favour of drones firing so-called "hellfire" missiles on ppl america and pakistani army (two sides of the same coin) deem to be its enemies: wait for the day when you burn in real "hell fire".
whoever supports these drone attacks inside pakistan may allah target him with his hell fire for eternity amen
also taliban and alqaeda are heroes of all islam.as they are the only "men" in islamic world who stood up against the zionist american alliance which has murdered millions of muslims in the world
one day these brave men will inherit this world.than inshalah those muslim munafiqeen who lick kufaars boots will also pay.soon inshalah
To bad there is nothing you can do about it. Your ppl are simply to dumb to figure it out. You are expendable. Your country is crap
Looks like Nothing u can do is an idiot just like KASHIF JAMAL
the problem isn't islam, or judaism.
the problem is RIGHT WING morons that thi8nk the way they do.
calling someone else's country crap, is childish, immature, and racist.
but to think that the TALIBAN is the HEROES of islam, is INSANE.
same mentality, different religion. Kashif should know, that al quaida fights for no one. they are currently BLOWING UP MARKETS FILLED WITH MUSLIMS YOU STUPID IDIOT.
And the taliban..well, they are currently training 11 year olds to blow themselves up.
if you don't have a problem with that, then please see a doctor immediately!!!
oh and "Nothing u can do " is TOO dumb to figure out that To and TOO are TWO different words.
lol. american right wingers love calling people dumb. but if you pay close attention, you will find that they can barely speak their own language.
I hope pakistan cleans out these so called "muslims" so that they can live in peace.
Don't think for a second that the taliban cares about you. they don't fight for muslims. they fight for money, power, and nukes so that they can kill all jews and americans.
That's something no muslim should support..and if you DO, then you're not a muslim. you are EVIL
thank you amir, finally someone with a brain and humanity. The terrorists used the excuse of "Resistance" or "killing US soldiers" but now that there is no US soldiers in the cities, terrorists are still blowing up MUSLIMS. Over 200 dead muslims in one week by terrorist muslims. When the Taliban behead one of their family members and put the video on the internet, then maybe they will wake up and realize Taliban kills Muslims.
amir,
and your are QAUM kai 'abbaa' to enforce your definitions and your *DEEN*
Our people who are terrorists deserve to be bombed.
Salam, what a debate!!
I found KarimG and Dr. Jawad's writings sensible and more digestible, especially in replying nonsense arguments!!… some others are doing well too.
Man, this gotta hurt!
Drones is the one thing the Pakistanis oppose vociferously.. Turns out its own military allowed the drones to park its area! Does anyone believe in the sovereignty of Pakistan?? If so please give reasons!!!!!!!
Thanks for the post, I came across
well, in my latest search of you coordinates, there are no drones parked at the base shown. so do u think google took your posted image seriously and dismissed the staff concerned for a breach of intelligence information, and later on, took the fresh imagery of the area. or should i assume that the images are fake. i can also copy/cut the images of drones parked at a base in Afghanistan and paste them anywhere else. And the coordinates of two places you mentioned in the image are good about 280 kilometers apart. Help youself.
Previous remarks directed to ‘A New Yorker’
You may be correct in assuming that 9/11 was part of some 'process of attack' on America. The time-line has been well-defined, all the way back to the Ayetolleh and his hostages. But have you ever stopped for a minute to consider why some of the most backward people on earth would want to bring down upon themselves the mechanized retribution what, so far, only America has directed at such folk? "Hating us for our freedom" seems to be a really stupid reason to fight the 'advance of progress'. Bottom line is that such 'terror attacks' are nothing new and are not exclusive to Islamic militants.
After the Great War Americans took comfort and pride in the fact that they could isolate themselves from the 'troubles' of the rest of the world. But even that isolation was punctuated by the necessity to 'defend America's interests' (usually business interests) with military force. "The shores of Triploli' wasn't added to the Marine Hymn to make a rhyme, they were in what is now Libya, in 1801, less than 20 years after the Revolution, to 'fight their country's battles' – over a trade dispute IN AFRICA. Since then they've been involved in Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, the Dominican Republic,Honduras, El Salvador, Grenada, China, VietNam and a plethora of other places 'exercising democracy' at the point of a bayonet. Having an army and not using it is a lesson so that has, so far, only been lost on the Chinese.
That somehow the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and a war on terror being fought from Africa to the Philippines with a few stops in between, has been 'forced on' America is certainly not borne out by any consideration of alternatives to war. Pakistan and, more pointedly, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, had more to do with 9/11 than the Taleban or Saddam Hussein, but they're 'allies' and the others weren't. America may not 'want' to be doing these things, Like Hitler 'wanted' the Jews in Madagascar, not up the chimney at Auschwitz and Treblinka. Had they been the cakewalks intended, this discussion wouldn't be taking place. They're not, they're a pair of bleeding ulcers leaching the 'good life' out of our grandchildren.
AQ (and others simliar) did not spring from the forehead of Allah. It arose from a genuine grievance, the result of basing American troops in Saudi Arabia to 'protect' strategic resources. Oil is the strategic resource America uses more than any other country on earth. That's nothing new. In its heyday America used 75 percent of all resources produced in the world. That may be changing as American industry has increasingly moved off-shore to places with lower capital costs. But that only means that 'protecting' those US interests is now a world-wide endeavour.
Until the emergence of some radically new form of energy generation, the competition for oil, and eventually (even more importantly) clean water, is going to grow.
One of the first benefits of freedom, along with modern weapons, introduced into Afghanistan were satellite communications and the portable electric generator. The TV followed shortly and for the first time in history people in the backwaters of Afghanistan had an 'eye on the world'. What did they see on the satellite channels? Sitcoms, advertising and porn, the pap that makes America 'great'. No wonder the notion of developing a 'western culture' is offensive, even more so if some 'nice guy' American is telling them it's 'better'.
America has been attacked by goatherds who have called down upon their heads destruction that could only be paralleled in past world wars. To do this they have to be crazy, or they have to have sense of purpose that so far seems to be lacking in the American response. That, IMO, is borne out in the evident 'failure to win'. For even the most bug dirt of the crazy shouldn't be able to stand a B1 strike (or 10), even that 'lunaatic' they're bombing now in Libya.
In my experince I find that most people want to be left alone to live their lives in peace. Left alone they tend to be peaceable. But there are some who insist on taking what others have. That happens every day, in any society. On an individual basis call it crime. When it affects nations call it war. Theft, rather than love of money, is the root of all evil.
Hi Pakistani Brothers and Sisters, Love from India, i read both the pages of comments out of curiosity. I hope to one day be able to see the events of the world for what they really are. I love some of the Pakistani music bands like Jal and Fuzon. Please make more music and spread more love and peace. I would hate it too if some country's drones were firing missiles inside my country. My grandparents used to live in Dera Ismail Khan before we moved to Ahmedabad, Surat, Kanpur, Calcutta, etc. I'm a Hindu, a Punjabi, i prefer to speak Hindi, have a nationalistic pride like Russians have in speaking Russian only, i don't like to speak the regional language of Gujarati, or even my ancestral language of Derewali (known as Saraiki in your country). I just hope that if there is indeed a single party responsible for mass mayhem in the world, then may the Creator unmask them and make them stop. May there be peace and happiness for all. May war stop and may countries spend on improving the lives of their poor citizens instead of on defense expenditure.