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POLL: Who would you blame for the Lahore Attacks

With so many conspiracy theories floating about, who in your opinion is to blame for the Lahore attack on the Sri Lankan players today

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200 Comments

  • arif |

    Fatima,

    Same can be said about Denial, if he dosn't like Dr Jawwad's comments, he shouldn't read them. Same goes to you too, if you don't like Dr Jawwad's comments don't read them.

    BTW, who give you the right to question Dr Jawwad's becoming a doctor? Looking like you are an authority yourself and then dictacting others to behave according to your standards. Who is a hypcrite here?

  • Sam |

    Fatima

    You are right.

    If someone doesnt like something, they should not forced.

    They should have freedom to chose or not to continue.

    Can you give that right to Muslims who want to leave Islam or do they have to be killed as per Koran ??

    I thought only mafia did that..

    sam_sc95051@yahoo.com

  • arif |

    Sam,

    So in your religion your father can sleep with your sister as long as both have no issue with that?

  • Danial Burki |

    Who are you to criticise other people's religions, Arif, when your religion allows men to marry children and have sex with them. That's right, the top Saudi cleric recently ruled that it is perfectly alright for Muslims to marry children (children who are not even aware of what sex is); in fact, the cleric said, we are doing them a favour!

    So don't throw stones from your glass house of morals.

  • Danial Burki |

    And about your point on why I shouldn't read Dr Jawwad's posts, the whole point of a blog and a comments section is to have a conversation. That involves everyone expressing their views and then debating them.

    My point is simple: I respect Dr Jawwad's right to say what he wants. It's just that he doesn't respect my right to do the same. So while he upholds Islam by using gutter language, apparently I'm the evil one for having a civilised tone. Heh, you lot are serious hypocrites.

  • Sam |

    Arif,

    I am not going get upset by your questions. So relax.

    Also please comment on this link.

    ====================================

    Fatwa against Cricket in Pakistan ??

    So all of you, who are true muslims must stop playing cricket now.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,2519

    Islamists wage war against cricket, ‘the other religion’

  • arif |

    Sam,

    You didn't answer the question. What happent to consent?

  • Sam |

    You can any question.

    No one should stop you from doing that.

    Same for me. Also No can force me to answer any question.

    Same of for you.

  • Sam |

    You can ask any question Arif

    No one should stop you from doing that.

    Same for me.

    Also no one can force me to answer any question or if i am not knowledgeable i will not answer

  • arif |

    Dan, what do you smoke?

    You can crictize Islam, Sam can critize Islam, Fatima can critize Islam, Any one can critize Islam but I can not criticize your religion…wowwww…. What a hypcrite SOB you are.

    You are like those thugs, who would appreciate any thing against Islam in the name of Free Speech, but as soon as a person questions holocast he is termed as Anti-semite and treated as a criminal.

    I'm glad that you are insignificant otherwise it would be hard for humans to live and breath on this earth.

  • Fatima |

    Common Sense Point number 1 for Danial: The top cleric of Saudi Arabia is not representative of Islam. His word is not set in stone. If he tells me to go jump off a cliff, doesn't mean I jump off a cliff. Its up to an individual how to interpret divine verses. The onus of reflecting and acting rests on the person. That cleric isn't responsible for jack. Certainly not my actions. There is no logic in holding an entire faith accountable for the poor scholarship of some cleric in Saudi Arabia.

    Common Sense Point 2 for Arif: Yes, you are right. I am a hypocrite. I want to impose my standards of tolerance on Dr. Jawwad. God forbid, we don't want tolerance in this country. We're doing just great without it. No?

    Fortunately, for me, this conversation is getting immensely childish. I'll take my leave now. Good luck, fellas! Have fun scoring points over each other. Because, God forbid, we don't want listening and learning to be part of the conversation. We're doing just great without it. No?

  • Sam |

    Fatima,

    Certainly you can interpret things in your way.

    No one should stop you.

    Are you more qualified than cleric's in Saudi Arabia, Iran, …so many places..

    If you think so, please tell us how you are more qualified than them.

    But we have to respect and listen to people who are experts or spent a lot more time in their areas.

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    @jaram!

    people differ when they interprete revelation given by GOD and prophets on the basis of knowledge they have. this is the way human do.chiristianity,judism,muslims.there are/were many sect in every religion just because of interpretation.

    tell me what is the no of gods in hinduism?

    some say that it is approximately 330 millions.

    why there isn't one common God in hindumat?

    because of interpretation.

    if you are a grown up man than you should realize that, when it comes to religion one should not question the religion on basis of different interpretations or disputed interpretations.

    in the religion question should be asked on the issues where all the followers are agreed on certain issues.

    for example in case of islam question should be asked about ALLAH(SWT) and HIS divine absolute power,PROPHETS, judgement day etc

    if you satisfied with the answer then we could move forward otherwise the discussion would end

    also i want to ask you to be a gentleman.gentlemen do not attack on the others belief they just discuss.

    what you did is just searched the question which you thought that muslims might not give the answer and asked just to confuse them.

    and when i gave the answer inspite of having the serious discussion on the answer you brought a different version on that particular issue which is not practiced in the subcontinent.

    so please correct you approach.

    teasing other is not a good habbit.

    be a gentleman and let us be gentlmen.

  • Sam |

    Fatima,

    You are not ready to accept the Top learned man or cleric's in Islam. You disapprove of them.

    Certainly the top cleric for marriage authority cannot be ignorant or illiterate when interpreting that Prophet Mohammed married a 6 year old girl.

    When Mohamamed had sex with Ayesha, she was only 9 yrd old and he was somewhere between 54-60yrs old.

    That cleric must have consulted (if he himself is not knowledgeable) before he talked on telivision.

    It is not just him.

    If i have time, I will post more links, where other learned Islamic scholars also agree with that view.

    I don't think you are a true muslim, because you want some of your own personal version.

    If you want your version, you should be able to justify or show proof that the cleric is wrong.

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    @fatima!

    freedom of speech….it is beyond my comprehension.

    there is two ways one can ask the question.for example i ask the question about your mother that:

    1) what was the age of your mother when she got married?

    this is a simple and innocent question.

    but i can ask the other way that:

    2) what was the age of your mother when your father had a sex with her?

    this is the most disgusting and obnoxious way of asking the question.so tell me

    would you allow me to ask this way in the name of freedom of speech?

    if you can not allow any one to ask the question in a highly inflammable way about person you love and have a respect,then how we can allow any SOB to ask about the personalities we deeply love and revere more than our parents.

    it is not the freedom of speech.it is hostility against islam.

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    tell me what is your research?

    please provide us the text and refrences not the links?

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    do you have counter arguments against the text i presented to you?

  • Sam |

    jawwad,

    You are not agreeing with top cleric or Marriage official from Saudi Arabia.

    So contest what he says.

    You are not arguing against me.

    If it is filthy, he would not have talked about this subject at all.

    It

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    yes we do not agree with them on this issue.

    because the muslims of subcontinent rely on the interpretation of IMAM abu HANEEFA while saudi rely on the interpretation of IMAM AHMED BIN HANBAL.

    1) i have no problem with their interpretation as it is just a discussion based on the knowledge they got from their ancestors.

    i am living in saudia since 8 yrs and i never saw a single marriage of 9 yr old girl.

    what you saw is not a practice in saudia it is merely a discussion of possibilities based on the knowledge they received.

    2) i asked fatima a question on freedom of speech please read it and tell me what is your answer.

    3) it is you(not the saudi cleric) who jumped in a middle of a discussion on another topic and started asking the question in a very inflammable way.

    and i gave you the answer. now:

    1) either you do some research and prove me wrong with the reasearch based facts (as you raise the issue)

    2)or keep quite.(put up or shut up)

  • Sam |

    I rely on the real and authentic scholars of islam, where the Holy sites are.

    Not from a far away place, as the real message could have been corrupted by the time it reached there.

    I would consider the islam interpreted and practices as the pure form.

    Everyone else have moved away from the original message.

  • Junaid |

    Dr Jawwad,

    Why are you wasting your time? This retard with the alias SAM, doesn't care for Saudi Ulema or Pakistani Ulema. He is just trying to confuse Muslims. Ignore jack a$$es like him, and don't waste your energy chatting with these idiots.

    This thread is not about Muhammad(S.A.W.W), it's about the terrorism committed in Lahore.

  • Sam |

    To understand Pakistan, we have to understand Islam.

    To understand Islam, one of the things is to understand Mohammed's life.

    Mohammed's life is ideal. so most muslims want live like him.

    For example ayotollah khomeini in iran, passed a law where a girl 9yrs old can be legally be married.

    So this is one of the examples.

    Same things. To understand Taliban, we need to understand related things.

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    @junaid!

    true! i know this tactic.i also know this guy since few month.yes i know that we have been deviated.it happens all the time when ever we discuss any issue which is related to the india/pakistan,islam or taliban, they appear with this maneuver with the help of pakistani freaks chanting about secularism,taunting and attacking the faith of the others like a clown.i bet these freaks do not even know the meaning of secularism or freedom of speech.the hatred and disgustingness against the islam is the only reason behind their comments on these forum.

    i know i am wasting my time.it will not change any thing but the last thing i let the common innocent pakistani to take is the impression that these freaks have a knowledge,they have valid arguments while the islamist do not.i wont let them celebrate the triumph.

    best regards

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    @jaram!

    i asked you to refute the text with the reason and knowledge based facts, but again you showed us the example of the others.

    REFUTE MY ARGUMENTS WITH THE TEXT NOT WITH THE EXAMPLES.

    every body knows that saudia,iran and pakistan have a different religious schools of thoughts.

    i just asked you to please prove me that my school of thought is wrong.

    simple

  • Sam |

    still waiting for answers..

    i think in your heart you know, you cannot answer.

    so are you giving up so soon ??

  • Sam |

    i am talking about true islam, as it is interpreted and practices in Saudi arabia, iran…

    I did not ask you about the interpretation in pakistan or som eother country.

    the reason Saudi is because it is the holy land for islam and there are lot of scholars.

    the reason iran, is because they have the biggest shia population.

    every one else are far away from the islam's holy lands.

    so the farther you are from mecca/medina, islam is less understood or not as pure.

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    i have already given the ANSWER.because you asked the question….right

    now prove that my answer is wrong.

    its your turn.

    as i told you that i never saw a single marriage of a 9 year old girl in saudia in 8 year.this is not the practice in saudia.i am sure in iran they also do not practice.

    what they just say is based on the knowledge they received from their ancestors.we do not agree with them because we believe that knowledge they received is not reliable because the narrator of the hadeeth was suffering from dementia or similar disorder and we proved it.

    also we used the history to identify the real age of UMMUL MOMINEEN at the time of consummation.

    so please stop the childish caviling and tell me where we are wrong in these arguments?

    REFUTE the arguments.i am getting impression that you have zero knowledge about this whole issue,you just heard about this issue and you raised the issue just to tease the muslims.

    prove me that you have significant knowledge on this subject.

  • Sam |

    so are you saying that some hadiths may not be real, due to any other reason (like what you said dementia,…)

    can you list them, so we know which ones are accurate and which ones are not ?

  • Sam |

    so what is the difference between a member of mafia who wants to leave the group and gets killed and an ex-muslim (who could be killed legally)…

  • dr.jawwadkhan |

    1) hadith is a very difficult and complicated subject only aalim e deen who studied more than 8 years can decide which hadeeth is authentic and which is not.we take guidance from them.

    2) punishment of apostasy is have already given the answer on March 5, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

    3) The Position Of Slavery In Islam (by syed abul aala modudi)

    Islam tried to solve the problem of the slaves that were already in Arabia by encouraging people to set them free. Muslims were told that freeing slaves would mean the expiation of some of their sins. Freeing a slave of one's own free will was declared to be an act of such great merit that the limbs of the man who manumitted a slave would be protected from hell-fire-one for each limb of the slave freed.

    The result of this policy was that , by the time the period of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs was reached, all the old slaves of Arabia had been liberated. The Prophet (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) alone liberated as many as 63 slaves. The number of slaves freed by }'isha was 67; Abbasliberated 70; }Abd Allahbin }Umar liberated one thousand; and }Abd al-Rahmnpurchased thirty thousand and set them free. Other Companions of the Prophet liberated a large number of slaves, the details of which are given in the Traditions and books of history of that period.

    The problem of the slaves of Arabia was thus solved in under 40 years. After this the only slaves left in Islamic society were prisoners of war captured on the battlefield. These were kept by the Muslim government in question until their own government agreed to receive them back in exchange for Muslim soldiers they captured by them or arranged the payment of ransom on their behalf. If the soldiers they captured were not exchanged for Muslim prisoners of war, or their people did not pay their ransom money to purchase their liberty, the Muslim government distributed them among the soldiers of the army which had captured them.

    This was a more humane way of disposing of them than penning them like cattle in concentration camps and taking forced labour from them and, if their womenfolk were also captured, setting them aside for prostitution. Islam preferred to spread them through the population and thus being them in contact with individual human beings. Their guardians, in addition, were ordered to treat them well.

    The result of this policy was that most of the men who were captured on foreign battlefields and brought to the Muslim countries as slaves embraced Islam and their descendants produced great scholars, imams, jurists, commentators, statesmen and generals. So much so that later they became rulers of the Muslim world.

    Today, prisoners of war throughout the world are exchanged on the cessation of hostilities. This is a practice which has been learnt from Islam. But treating well prisoners who cannot, for one reason or another, be exchanged, has not been learnt. Can anyone tell us, for example, the fate of the thousands of prisoners of war captured by Russia from the defeated armies of Germany and Japan in the Second World War? No one knows how many thousands of them are still alive and how many thousands of them perished due to the hardships of the Russian concentration and labour camps. It is doubtful if, even in the times of the ancient Pharaohs of Egypt, such harsh labour was exacted from the slaves who built the pyramids as was exacted from the prisoners of war in Russia who developed Siberia and other backward areas of the country

  • sam |

    Jawwad,

    thank you for taking time to explain your point of view. I have a better understanding, because of your time and effort in typing these.

    But there is no point in discussing with you.

    Some times you talk about absolute morals and sometimes relative morals, some times historic morals, sometimes morals which suit you, and of course sometimes no morals (blatant fascist idealogy).

    and you have convenient interpretations or convenient assumptions.

    Still my questions are, in a live and let live society you cannot have

    1. Death upon changing religion

    2. Different value for man or woman or for different religious groups.. you never answered why it can be justified 1 muslim=32 hindus from blood money in saudi.

    3. Slavery is acceptable (parts of slavery in arabia are abolished by british. it was legal until 1963)

    4. 54 yr old man marrying a 6yr child.

    5. Dhimmi status for anyone who is not a muslim, legally as per koran.

    6. religious apartheid in historically jewish lands.

    for example before islam, mecca and medinah were jewish.

    so all muslims should at the minimum allow them back. even better they should give them back to them and vacate those places.

    i can go on and on..

    i can say your values may be acceptable in a certain point of human history.

    I wish i have a time machine and for people who like certain values i can send the bamck in time to that century or time to suit them.

    Good bye

  • Naman |

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Conten… ……. alright , atleast pakistan media accepts , its an act dine by Let or some other extremist group . why and how would they find proof if this has not been done by RAW .. also the most funniest thing i find that not even a single terrorist could be captured ????????????? why because pak security forces were saving their a***** watching incident with their open(rather closed) eyes and enjoying that ?? atleast we in mumbai fought with them , captured them .

  • Foolsparadise |

    Old "Indian" saying

    Intellectuals think 100 times and then speak once, fools speak 100 times and then think at last…

    my addition :- Pakistani speaks 1000 times and never thinks at all. 🙂

    Leaders of Pakistan and its general public seems to be in delusion and denials for 3 Generations now !!

    One simple example , ""name a world leader, a single one, who keeps Mohammad Ali Jinnah 's teachings/Photos" along with him or in his office for inspiration and the look at "M.K. Gandhi 's / Rabindranath Tagore 's "Fan following..

    Dude you (Pakistanis) are not even acceptable to world and people openly have called you International Migraine, there should be some limits of uselessness, you are destroying the name of SE-Asia.

  • Deepak |

    and yah before any one would point out finger i am sorry For the language i used u guys are so dumb that just boils my Blood all i am trying to say is dont support those idiots whom u call politicians. Guys irst try gettin rid of ur Internal Problems then u guys can Bother about us because everybody knows the amount of foregin Currency u guys have ur Economy Sucks. first try making pakistan a better place atleast a place where u can live a good life and die a natural death. and it is a Famous sayin u reep what u sow u Helped these Terrorist Groups and now u guys are gettin screwed is it our fault i know u guys wont even think twice before blaming us. Except the fact that u guys a responsible for what ever happened Kick all those terrorist group out and how can people help u when u guys dont want to help urself. If u guys are suffering from Disease u have to except the fact that ur really suffering from and and then take the Diagnosise. But the problem here is u guys know what the problem is but u guys still dont want to except it. Except it and only then can any one provide help to u guys Imagine imzmam and few Guys are asking BCCI to help them saving their Cricket. so u guys need our help but what have u guys done to get help u all were pissed just because india dint tour pakistan. our cricket team is scared ETC. and see what happened to Srilanka Cricket team u guys dint even chase the terrorist U guys have Pussy Police. Just take an exaple of Mumbai attack All the terrorist were killed and one arrested thats our Force. Not Pussy like u guys who were scared to even chase them. this shows one thing involment of the Police aswell then how is it possible they couldnt do any thing and the route was changed and the terrorist knew about it u can say that there was a guy in the Hotel with The srilankan team and he was telling the route etc etc But the truth is how is possible to set everything in just 20 min. these Terrorist knew the route and secondly someone in the Police already informed them about the Security and it wa a full proof plan and they escaped.

  • Deepak |

    I really have no words to Explain when we Blamed U guys we had Enough Evidence But U guys were just talkin in air its just because all ur political leaders get more vote if u guys blame us for everything does not matter even if u guys have proof or not. Its Pakistanis mistake that they gave support To Taliban and other terrorist party now u guys are scared of the consequences wake up and try making ur Country a better place to live otherwise be ready to be wiped out of world map and yah blaming Indian Intelligence will fetch u guys nothing because we can screw Pakistan's army right center and middle and we proved it not once u lost all the battle. we don't need support from Terrorist group. and our Economy is better than ur and yah our Cricket team to so SHUT THE FUK UP. and try Cleanin the dirt what u guys have on ur own back yard DUMB FUKSSS.

  • Deepak |

    and yah before any one would point out finger i am sorry For the language i used u guys are so dumb that just boils my Blood all i am trying to say is dont support those idiots whom u call politicians. Guys irst try gettin rid of ur Internal Problems then u guys can Bother about us because everybody knows the amount of foregin Currency u guys have ur Economy Sucks. first try making pakistan a better place atleast a place where u can live a good life and die a natural death. and it is a Famous sayin u reep what u sow u Helped these Terrorist Groups and now u guys are gettin screwed is it our fault i know u guys wont even think twice before blaming us. Except the fact that u guys a responsible for what ever happened Kick all those terrorist group out and how can people help u when u guys dont want to help urself. If u guys are suffering from Disease u have to except the fact that ur really suffering from and and then take the Diagnosise. But the problem here is u guys know what the problem is but u guys still dont want to except it. Except it and only then can any one provide help to u guys Imagine imzmam and few Guys are asking BCCI to help them saving their Cricket. so u guys need our help but what have u guys done to get help u all were pissed just because india dint tour pakistan. our cricket team is scared ETC. and see what happened to Srilanka Cricket team u guys dint even chase the terrorist U guys have Pussy Police. Just take an exaple of Mumbai attack All the terrorist were killed and one arrested thats our Force. Not Pussy like u guys who were scared to even chase them. this shows one thing involment of the Police aswell then how is it possible they couldnt do any thing and the route was changed and the terrorist knew about it u can say that there was a guy in the Hotel with The srilankan team and he was telling the route etc etc But the truth is how is possible to set everything in just 20 min. these Terrorist knew the route and secondly someone in the Police already informed them about the Security and it wa a full proof plan and they escaped.

  • Sameer |

    Foolsparadise and other Hindu Fanatics,

    Hindu priest 'advised father to rape his daughter'

    Date: 20 March 2009

    India: A Mumbai businessman has been arrested for allegedly raping his daughter for more than eight years, apparently on the advice of a Hindu mystic who said it would make him wealthy.

    Authorities also arrested the man's wife, suspected of being an accomplice, and the mystic, for allegedly raping the man's other daughter.

    http://news.scotsman.com/world/Mystic-39advised-f

    What are you guys? You sprinkle cow pee on your food, worship rats and monkeys and here you are acting as The gods of Morals.

    You worship the idols that one of you makes, you are masters of 'cut n paste' culture.

    What is your culture? you are just pimps and whores and because you own tons of whores and have piles of money doesn't make you higher than any south Asian country be it Srilanka, Nepal or Bhutan and let alone Pakistan.

  • Sameer |

    Here are Indian Moral values:

    Man in India marries dog:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21768663/

    Indians are all famous for aborting girl babies:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4592890.stm http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07072309

    Indians famouse for raping foreign tourists:
    http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1194286

    Tourists Beware – India, a Major Rape Destination
    http://indiablogs.searchindia.com/2008/12/01/tour

    Rape rate increase in India:

    Since 1971, the incidence of rape in India has increased by a whopping 734%.

    Source: http://ncrb.nic.in/cii2007/cii-2007/Snapshots%201

    Sexual assaults on foreigners threaten Indian tourism:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/

    Tourists Beware – India, a Major Rape Destination
    http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TN1V3R

  • moiz |

    wt ever .seriously i did not read all the comments bt i know ccpo lahore pervez rathore.Hes a great man .A hero i'd say.ive been to his home works all night and keep on thinking for some goood ideas to save lahore.non of u have ever seen him i bet and AYESHA should not be saying bad things.u me angrYYYYYYYYYY.

  • moiz |

    wt ever indians i know u guys are shame less people .and u do the attacks and never let anyone know .INDIANS ARE PEOPLE WITH OUT HEARTS.IDOTS

  • Islamkhan |

    leave Islam!leave worshipping pagan moon god called allahu!

    No India or raw has interest in pakistan or afghan.Islamists themselves bombs and accuse poor Indians,Hindus,Jews,Christians as the conspiracy leads.It is hereditary with those who follow islam to lie and live in denial of truth like pakistani media does.

    read:
    http://thereligionofpeace.com