A shocking video which is making news across the local media in Pakistan of a women being publicly lashed in the Northern Areas of Pakistan. Her crime being that she was seen publicly with a man who was not her husband. I think merely watching this video makes me cringe at the skewed concept of ‘Sharia’ being enforced in our northern areas, I believe this is not what Islam preaches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgq5ymtAfBsI agree with Faisal K when he says “All the women leaders in the assemblies of Pakistan upon seeing this should resign from their posts in protest” This is outrageous even in the light of the five women who were buried alive in Baluchistan. A search on Bloggers.pk shows that Meher Bokhari a show host on Samaa is planing to do a show today at 7pm on this controversial issue of public flogging. Also covered in The Guardian
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It’s all happening! Allah forbid but it’s already all happening. [Ajmal Khan]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va…
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Dear Ajmal Sahab,
It was predicted in the early eighties and even much before just after the partition by a Late. Abul Kalam Azad [a Great Scholar of the Sub-Continent] that Pakistan will break up in 25 years and it did happen in 1971 while everybody repeat the prediction of doomsday scenario for Pakistan but Pakistanis never discuss as to why this happened??? and we are least bothered particularly those who want to break Pakistan up that Volatile Pakistan is very dangerous for the region. Remember the Europe before the First World War and remember Bosnia, Rwanda .etc.etc . I am least bothered about the breakup but what concerns me the most is the LOSS OF INNOCENT LIVES which is the hallmark of any breakup
"QUOTE"
Excerpts from a Diplomatic Gathering in 80s
""The Soviet Foreign Minister, Gromyko, speaking in New Delhi on February 12, 1980 had warned that, "If Pakistan continues to serve as a puppet of imperialism in the future; it will jeopardize its existence and its integrity as an independent state." The United States, too, could in certain circumstances accept the dismemberment of Pakistan as it did in 1971. Henry Kissinger, the US Secretary of State during President Nixon's administration, had said: "In my conversation with Ambassador Jha I reiterated my constant theme that we considered Indian and American long term interests as congruent …. I emphasized that the United States did not insist that East Bengal remain part of Pakistan. On the contrary, we accepted autonomy as inevitable and independence as possible. A war was senseless; Bangladesh would come into being by the spring of 1972 if present procedures were given a chance. We differed over method, not aim."On October 7, I told WSAG meeting that if India would accept an evolutionary process, it would achieve most of its objectives with our assistance. If they would co-operate with us we could work out 90 per cent of their problems, like releasing Mujib or attaining some degree of autonomy for Bangladesh, and these steps would lead eventually to their getting it all." With the return of a Republican administration and keeping United States global interests in mind, it would be prudent to assume that should the US interests in the future be better served by sacrificing Pakistan or a part of it, Henry Kissinger's successors would not hesitate to do so. Pakistan must, therefore, strive to keep itself together by weakening those forces that are pulling it apart and this cannot be done by force of arms. The use of strong arm methods has shown that the situation did not, to say the least, improve."
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A renowned Writer Robert D Kaplan had predicted in Mid and Late 90s that several countries are not going to survive and India and Pakistan are amongst those countries. Such theories are launched off and on by the power that be [The USA, IMF and WORLD BANK]to prepare the children of the lesser god for more miseries.
Read the articles of Robert D Kaplan on Baluchistan and India.
Dr Abul Maali Syed's book The Twin era of Pakistan:
Democracy and Dictatorship. Written in 1992, the book predicts an independent Balochistan in 2006. Dr Syed begins his book by saying 'Who would have believed that Balochistan, once the least populated and poorest province of Pakistan, would become independent and the third richest oil-producing country after Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.' This may not be a serious venture, but it should be nevertheless worrying especially if one reads it along with the US National Intelligence Committee that spoke of Pakistan as a failed State in 2015.
The Lawless Frontier By Robert D. Kaplan Atlantic Monthly September, 2000
Baluchistan
This past April in Quetta, the bleached-gray, drought-stricken capital of the Pakistani border province of Baluchistan, I awoke to explosions and gunfire. In search of the violence, my translator, Jamil, and I jumped into a four-wheel-drive Toyota and raced through the section of town inhabited by Pashtoon tribesmen. Suddenly we were surrounded by Pakistani soldiers, who forced us out of the car and pointed assault rifles in our faces. While they searched us, I saw two other soldiers with automatic weapons run along a high wall a few feet from where we stood. Shots rang out from inside the adjacent compound. By 11:00 a.m. five people had been killed and twenty wounded, and a large cache of weapons had been confiscated in a raid on the Pashtoonkhwa Milli Awami (Pashtoon National People's Party), a group supporting an Independent "Pashtoonistan" created out of Pakistani territory. The party stood accused of murders and kidnapping. Security forces claimed victory, but reports later circulated that party members had filtered back into the area with weapons.
THE COMING ANARCHY by Robert D. Kaplan
How scarcity, crime, overpopulation, tribalism, and disease are rapidly destroying the social fabric of our planet
The Atlantic Monthly, February 1994
Pakistan's problem is more basic still: like much of Africa, the country makes no geographic or demographic sense. It was founded as a homeland for the Muslims of the subcontinent, yet there are more subcontinental Muslims outside Pakistan than within it. Like Yugoslavia, Pakistan is a patchwork of ethnic groups, increasingly in violent conflict with one another. While the Western media gushes over the fact that the country has a woman Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, Karachi is becoming a subcontinental version of Lagos.
In eight visits to Pakistan, I have never gotten a sense of a cohesive national identity. With as much as 65 percent of its land dependent on intensive irrigation, with wide-scale deforestation, and with a yearly population growth of 2.7 percent (which ensures that the amount of cultivated land per rural inhabitant will plummet), Pakistan is becoming a more and more desperate place. As irrigation in the Indus River basin intensifies to serve two growing populations, Muslim-Hindu strife over falling water tables may be unavoidable.
"India and Pakistan will probably fall apart," Homer-Dixon predicts. "Their secular governments have less and less legitimacy as well as less management ability over people and resources." Rather than one bold line dividing the subcontinent into two parts, the future will likely see a lot of thinner lines and smaller parts, with the ethnic entities of Pakhtunistan and Punjab gradually replacing Pakistan in the space between the Central Asian plateau and the heart of the subcontinent. None of this even takes into account climatic change, which, if it occurs in the next century, will further erode the capacity of existing states to cope. India, for instance, receives 70 percent of its precipitation from the monsoon cycle, which planetary warming could disrupt.
Do you guys know who broke this news on media? Ms. Meher Bokhari of Samaa Tv,[Faiza Saeed]
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Dear Ms. Faiza,
I thinks its Samar Minallah [Restore the Judiciary Movement]
Flogging in Swat outrages nation: Video captures girl’s agony Dawn Report Saturday, 04 Apr, 2009 | 04:00 AM PST
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Speaking at a press conference in Swat, provincial Minister Iftikhar Hussain said the incident had taken place on Jan 3, 45 days before the signing of the peace agreement.
He alleged that an NGO activist, Samar Minallah, had released the video as part of a conspiracy. He said her brother had been a provincial minister in the government of Gen Pervez Musharraf. “Where were these people when innocents were being slaughtered and bodies were pulled out of graves.”
Well that makes perfect sense in a way! Ms Samar Minallah is an extremely brave, conscientious woman who exposed a pervert minister on Geo tv. It must be her, she is always raising her voice against the injustices meted out to the people of tribal regions. Kudos to her!
@blog,
Kudos, I liked your response:
Comment by blog on April 4, 2009 @ 11:23 am
@noman
Who are these guys?
May be taliban from swat area
Who gave them the right to dispense so called justice?
talbian have been running a defacto govt in swat for sometime now, these things happen when state fails to fulfill its responsibilities and fails to provide justice to people . the same question can be also be asked about our current judicial system ? who gave them the right to dispense punishments based on English law ? did anyone ask us if we want sharia law or a messed up version of english law ?
How do u know that the girl committed adultery?
How do you know that girl did not commit zina?
If so what about that man who was with her?
may be he was also punished but we won’t see that video as it wont sell well with the media
Where are the 4 witness?
again we don’t know if there were witnesses or not, so we should not reach to conclusions without knowing the details
Comment by Faiza Saeed on April 4, 2009 @ 11:58 pm
Do you guys know who broke this news on media? Ms. Meher Bokhari of Samaa Tv, on her show nai rahain, spoke to Haji Muslim Khan (ttp) as well as ameer izzat (tnsm)… the best shows accross media covering the entire issue before anyone else even noticed, plus on thr rights of women…
i think she is delivering her show"
Was that an advertisement for Ms Meher Bokhari?
@ rashid mughal
“I only tried to remove the Islamic Itch from some commentators”
“Islamic itch”……well dear I assure you that have some genetic Islamic problem which can not be relieved by copy/paste crap.
The problem is only that you know who I am while I do not know who you REALLY are which make me stand vulnerable of these kinds of “removing islamic itch” type attcks. for you it is just a copy/paste but for me answering these question is a real headache. But I can’t quit Because this is do or die type game. My answer will be in series as soon as I get the answer I shall write as I see fit.
OBJECTION NO – 1
“Khilafat o malookiyat” was the book on specific golden Islamic era and tried to answer that how a noble khalafat a rashida turned into malookiyat.and what facts mentioned in this book is proven historical fact.author just tried to portray the real picture of that time with out personal attack?
Are we interested in the answer of the question that what turned glorified khilafat e rashida into kingship. Are we interested in right answer? Then let the right answer come. What is the point hiding the truth. Molana syed abul aala modudi just reflected the history with out personal attacks. I think that he did a great job.
Where is the blasphemy in it? How a truth can be a blasphemy.
OBJECTION NO -6
Regarding objection hazrat younus (pbuh) first you must know what was the text use in Quran e Kareem regarding Hazrat Younus (asw)
“Why was there not a single township (among those We warned), which believed – so its Faith should have profited it – except the People of Yunus? When they believed, We removed from them the Penalty of Ignominy in the life of the Present, and permitted them to enjoy (their life) for a while.” (sura younus-98)
“And remember Zul-nun, when he departed in wrath: he imagined that We had no power over him! But he cried through the depths of darkness, "There is no god but Thou: glory to Thee: I was indeed wrong!" (sura al anbiyah-87)
So also was Yunus among those sent (by Us).
When he ran away (like a slave from captivity) to the ship (fully) laden,
He (agreed to) cast lots, and he was condemned:
Then the big Fish did swallow him, and he had done acts worthy of blame.
Had it not been that he (repented and) glorified Allah,
He would certainly have remained inside the Fish till the Day of Resurrection But We cast him forth on the naked shore in a state of sickness,(sura as saafat – 139-145)
So wait with patience for the Command of thy Lord, and be not like the Companion of the Fish, when he cried out in agony.
Had not Grace from His Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore, in disgrace. (sura alqalam -48/49)
These verses clearly indicating that Hazrat Younus (asw) made a mistake and Allah(swt) actually did not like that mistake.that is why He mentioned in Quran.
Now einstien tell me what should a muffasir do when he goes for the translation and explanation of these verses.
Now einstien tell me what should a muffasir do when he goes for the translation and explanation of these verses.Where is the blasphemy in it? How a truth can be a blasphemy. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
My name is Muhammad Aamir Mughal not Rashid Mughal.
In one of your early posts you had praised Deobandi Scholars and had you been gone through my post on Mawdudi by clicking the link then you would have known it was Maulana Yousuf Ludhyanvi whom I have quoted on Mawdudi so please give that Title of Einstein to your favourite Deobandi Maulvis.
My name is Muhammad Aamir Mughal not Rashid Mughal.
Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with of them] were Companions of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Mawdudi had narrated lies after lies and insult after insult
by quoting the most rampantly Liar NARRATORS IN TABARI i.e. Waqidi, Kalbi, and Abhu Mikhnaf. Any reference of History will be rejected and refuted if that narration would in any way raise finger on the Companions of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Mawdudi collected all such references from History books [read lies] to condemn Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Ameer Muawiyah and that is my Dear Sir, is Blasphemy. I have at least 40 posts on Mawdudi and Khomeini on my blog and you can check the details of this debate. I dont want to discuss this issue on this thread because I would give details and this blog wouldn't allow that. You are more than to leave your comment on my blog on Mawdudi and Khomeini posts and By Allah I will allow every single comment no matter how harsh.
OBJECTION NO -8
It is clear from the “riwaya” of sahee bukharee and musnad e ahmed that Harat Umar(ra) used the word “la turajaee” which means that “do not use unapprpriate words” while talking to the RASOOL ULLAH(SAWW)
Tell me mr “itch remover”!
What we call when a person with lesser level retorts to the person with higher level?
In urdu the translation of that word is the word Molana Syed abul aala modudi used.
Tell me who has higher levels ? Nabi e Kareem(saw) or azdwaj e mutahirat(ra)?
So! You have two options
1) you remove that incidents from the history and books of aahadeeth
2) you say loud and clear that azdawaj e mutahirrat(ra) should not have done that to Nabi e Kareem(saw)
also answer the following question.
1) why hazrat umar e farooq(ra) got angry with his daughter Ummul Momineed hazrat hafsa(ra). And later on he went to the house of every azdawaj e mutahirat(ra) and warned them about the wrath of Allah(swt)
2) why Nabee e Kareem isolated himself from azdwaj e mutahirat(ra) for 29 days?
3) Do you have any idea of the reason of descending the following verses:
“If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; but if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe, and furthermore, the angels will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange Consorts better than you, who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast, previously married or virgins.
(sura at tehreem – 4/5)
Do you really know what was the problem any way or you just copied a crap and posted it
OBJECTION NO -8 [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Read my above comment.
@ Hussain,
Ha ha when did I say my religion is perfect? But we have the guts to stand up and say this is not right or not applicable in todays times and we should change it. For eg: Caste systems. U will find mostly Hindus opposing it and trying it eradicate it. I agree it is still largely practiced in rural areas. But the point is we stand up. Bcos Hinduism never says follow it to T. Its open to interpretation , modifications and u wont be killed if u oppose some part of it! Can any Muslim stand against any verse of Quran without being labelled Kafir or much worse being chopped? Hinduism accept all faith bcos it says all gods are one. I can go freely in church, mosque, gurudwara or synagogue without being labelled a Kafir. Gandhiji once said " I am a Hindu, a Muslim, a Zorastrian, a Jew i equal measures" On that Jinnah said "Only a HINDU can say that".
Even before the word secularism was coined, in Sanskrit there was a saying "Sarva Dharma Sambhav". Entire Bharat was a land of Hindus in early days before other religion migrated to India. Hindus let them practice their religion thats how different religions came here. Can we accept tht in a Muslim country???
As for me, I dont believe in religions. Its a man made thing. I abide by the law of land. God has given me brain and a conscious to differentiate between right and wrong rather than following something something leading to barbaric acts and me becoming a clone.
P.S Cow urine was extensively used in Ayurveda, the first medical system of our land. Ayurveda is finding more and more usage in west these days. Watch discovery channel for a change, u will find urine has some ammonia which is capable of healing wounds 🙂
P.P.S: Even after this no Muslim will have the guts to say yes soemthings in Islam need to be changed b4 being stoned to death ofcourse!!
@ Amina,
Taj Mahal was created by Mughals. There were no Muslims in India b4 Mughals. Go check ur ancestor tree, u will find Hindus there. Secondly wen are all proud of our Muslim leaders, actors, scientist acheivements. I never opposed a Muslim. I am questioning Islam. Is that so difficult to understand. Well in India we give equal rights to other religions as well. Thats the reason why every friday flocks of Hindus line up to see a film in which SRK is acting! See my earlier post. I have clearly mentioned we are free to respect other religions bcos our religion is open to interpretation and modification! Secondly I have also mentioned I dont follow any religion. Our president was a Muslim, our defense minster is a Christian. Well well can we expect that in the land of pure? or from religion of peace? Leave alone other religions u guys r busy fighting between shiyas and sunnis! So I dont need to remind u abt other communities like Ahmadis, hindus, sikhs etc. Forget religions. Even Muslim women does not have equal rights as clearly shown in this vid. I agree this is barbarism. But these acts of barbarism are committed in the name of Islam everywhere. Land does not matter. Be it UK, USA or Pak. These acts r committed. SO u cant say that land has any implications on it. Clearly Islam has influence on such acts as some of the barbaric acts are supported in Quran. If u say its not Islam, then why have no muslim taken to street in anywhere in the world to stop exploting Islam?
Hell, ur own member doc supports it! So much for the religion of peace or piece..pheww
@Ajay
Well, if you are on Facebook, I suggest you look me up there. I don't want to discuss it any further in this thread as people get irritated.
well well well!this incidence will provide a perfect opportunity to shed the crocodile tears.[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Swat video is genuine, claim activists By Usman Manzoor
Sunday, April 05, 2009
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?I…
Samar Minallah, the human rights activist and documentary film-maker, while talking to The News said that the video was being circulated from mobile phone to mobile phone and from person to person. She said that she received the video via email from a human rights activist of Swat. Talking about the authenticity of the video Minallah said that everyone in Swat knows that the incident took place but unfortunately the NWFP government wants to divert the attention of the masses from the actual issue of harassment of women. She said that the facts and figures would be produced before the Supreme Court and everyone would come to know about the authenticity of the video.
“NWFP minister Mian Iftikhar directly named me while addressing a press conference yesterday while today the NWFP government has been apologising over directly blaming me”, said Samar Minallah adding: “I have got nothing from publicising this horrific video except putting my life in danger and if the government cannot provide me security then at least it should not divert the attention of the masses.”
She said that the dialect which the girl was speaking was purely of Swat as she herself has worked in Swat and any Pushtoon could recognise it. Samar said that Muslim Khan, the spokesman of Taliban in Swat, accepted that the incident took place and also told the media that the girl had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law. “If the incident did not take place then how come Muslim Khan came to know about the allegations levelled against the girl?”, said the human rights activist adding: “Muslim Khan said the actual punishment to be awarded to the girl was stoning to death but she was flogged.”
dactar jawad
praise for khifat o malukiat, was expected from you.maulana maudoodi wrote an utterly blasphemous book against the sahaba specifically usman (ra) and mawaiyah ( r a) the concept that khilafat turned into malukiat is patently false.
you dare challenge the sahabas conduct and it would mean challenging the prophet (saw) and indeed Allah coz its said in Quran ( that Allah is razi with the sahaba) but you and molana modoodi will try to malign them in the name of history.the entire book is without any research references.most of his allegations are only supported by the words logon nai kaha.kon log? nobody knows….maudodi ko khab mai ayay thay.
the prophet(saw) gave two daughters in marriage to usman r.a. mawiyah r.a was the son of abu sufian r.a whose house has been declared as darul aman.and mododi sahib blames malokiat on that house?
indirectly he is accusing all the sahaba living at the time of mawiyah r.a as living in sin nowzubillah. but i can expect anything whon is the supporter of suicide bombing,who thinks that jihad is fighting women and hiding behind children and women.who thinks the best way to fight is running away in a burqa and abuse and lie.you are also trying to ignore imam e kaaba stance on lal masjid.
The book infact is based on mixing very little fact with a lot of fiction.modoodis imagination was at work just to please some segments of the society.nowzubillah how can one even think of criticizing the umhat ul momeenen or the sahaba.infact the book is just a satanic verses in urdu.
mawiyah r.a was the son of abu sufian r.a whose house has been declared as darul aman.and mododi sahib blames malokiat on that house? [Noman]
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Thanks Noman Sahab,
May Allah bless you eternally, Amen.
Abdullah Bin Abbas (RA) once said: " Leave Amir Muawiyah (RA) alone because he is a person who has enjoyed the Companionship of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). [Bukhari Chapter Companions of the Prophet]
Narrated Ibn Abu Mulaika: Muawiya offered one Rak'a Witr prayer after the 'Isha prayer, and at that time a freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas was present. He (i.e. the slave) went to Ibn 'Abbas (and told him that Muawiya offered one Rak'a Witr prayer). Ibn Abbas said, "Leave him, for he was in the company of Allah's Apostle." [Sahih Bukhari Chapter Companions of the Prophet]
Muawiyah – Malook – Dictatator as per Mawdudi but read the Hadith:
Abi Mujliz reported: "Muawiyah went to Abdullah ibn Zubayr and Abi Amir, when he reached there abi amir stood up out of respect to muawiya whereas abdulla ibn zubayr remained sitting. Muawiya then said to abi Amir:"sit down for i have heard the Apostle of Allah(saw) saying:"that person who likes to see others stand up for him, then let him occupy his seat in hell fire."[Sunan Abu Dawoud]
'Umar ibn al-Khattab said, "Do not mention Mu'awiyah with anything but good. I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'O Allah, guide him!'" [Mishkatul Misabeeh]
The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “Oh Allah, make him [Mu’awiyah] a guide, guided, and guide people through him.” [Al-Tirmidhi and Mishkat Al-Masabeeh]
Muáwiya (May Allah be pleased with him) was even privileged to be the brother-in-law of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] since Umme Habiba (May Allah be pleased with her), the sister of Muáwiya, was one of his [PBUH]'s wives. Once Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] came home to find Muáwiya (May Allah be pleased with him) with his sister. He asked her whether she loved him. To this Umme Habiba (May Allah be pleased with her) declared that he was her brother and therefore she definitely loved him. It was then that Muáwiya (May Allah be pleased with him) received tremendous glad tidings from Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] , where he said, 'Allah and His Rasul definitely love Muáwiya.' (Tabrani).
In another prayer for Mu’awiyah the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said: “My Lord, teach him the Book (i.e. the Qur’an) and arithmetic, and protect him against suffering.” (Related by Al-Bukhari in his Al-Tareekh).
Such was the love Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] had for him that he was given the following beautiful and concise Dua by Nabi : 'O Allah! make Muáwiya (May Allah be pleased with him) a means of hidaayat and make him one who is himself on hidaayat and give people hidaayat through him.' (Majmaú Zawaaid)
Prophet Mohammad {PBUH] made Dua for the knowledge of Muáwiya (May Allah be pleased with him) where he said, 'O Allah endow Muáwiya with the special knowledge of the Qurân and save him from punishment.' (Musnad Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal).
Muawiyah was Dictator as per Mawdudi but as per Hadith he was Kaatib-e-Wahi [Scribe of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH]
From Ibn Abbas: “Abu Sufyan said to the Prophet : Give me three. He said: Yes.” In that hadith it says: “And Muawiya! Let him to be a scribe in your presence. He said: Yes” – [Muslim]
Ibn Asaker said: “ The most authentic tradition narrated about Mauwiya’s merit is the hadith of Abu Jamrah from Ibn Abbas that he was the scribe of the Prophet ” – related by Ibn Katheer in Al-Bidaya wal Nihaya.
And Mawdudi violated the following Hadiths by quoting Liars Narrators of Tabari [By the way Salman Rushdie in Satanic Verse had also quoted Abu Mikhnaf, Waqidi and Kalbi and same are quoted by Mawdudi in his Filth called Khilafat O Malookiyat]
1- The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said : "The best of my nation is my generation then those who follow them and then those who follow them." [Saheeh Bukhari]
2- And he also said, "Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that" [Bukhaaree and Muslim].
3- Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] advised us: "When my Companions are mentioned then withhold" [Saheeh, at-Tabaranee] .
4- Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, "Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee] .
I wrote this on my blog: Flogging and illicit relations under Shariah Law.
See natashalatiff.wordpress.com
OBJECTION -5
Is a perfect example of purgery. I asked you before that please do not behave like “sawa panch rupey wala halwaee”
The refrence was quoted out of the context.
The discussion was just that it is appropriate for Nabi (sws) to actually work as subordinate of a kafir.
The right word is just that:
“he (hazrat yousuf (pbuh) demanded a full authority and he(pbuh) got the full authority”
And his(pbuh) action was approved by Quran e Kareem in following words:
“(Yusuf) said: "Set me over the store-houses of the land: I will indeed guard them, as one that knows (their importance)."
Thus did we give established power to Yusuf in the land, to take possession therein as, when, or where he pleased. We bestow of Our mercy on whom We please, and We suffer not, to be lost, the reward of those who do good”
(sura yousuf – 55/56)
So the question arises where molana modudi used the words like dictator or missoulini or Hitler for hazrat yousuf(pbuh) ?
I have tafheemat in front of me and after twice reading of that particular chapter I couldn’t get those words.
THE DISCUSSION WAS JUST THAT WHETHER IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A NABI(PBUH) TO WORK AS A SUBORDINATE OF A KAFIR.
Now! Don’t you think that you have gone too far in “removing the Islamic itch”?
Bohtan tarazi ki bhee koee had hotee hey
OBJECTION NO -4
It took an hour to search the tafseer about hazrat nouh(pbuh) .because one of my friend took the tafheem ul quran part 2.
Before replying this objection I want to quote what quran said about that particular incident:
And Nuh called upon his Lord, and said; "O my Lord! Surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the Justest of Judges!"
He said: "O Nuh! he is not of thy family: for his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"
Nuh said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless Thou forgive me, and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!" (sura hood -45/47)
Now back to the tafseer molana modudi explained the action this way:
“ by reading those aayat no one should think that there was some lack of iman in hazrat nouh(pbuh) or his iman was mixed up with the ignorance(as words used in the aayat) actually all nabi(pbuh) are human beings and it is not possible for a human being to be in the state of highest level of the eiman set by ALLAH(swt) “ALL THE TIME” Sometimes a delicate and natural occasions arises for a Nabi {Prophet}, even such lofty and honoured humans are prone to give in to their human weaknesses”
After that deliberately and cunningly you skipped the part of his tafseer, which is as follow:
“But whenever He(nabi) realizes or make realized by ALLAH(swt) that he is coming down from the standards set by ALLAH(swt) , nabi(pbuh) repents without wasting a second and correct his weakness. What can be the biggest proof of the greatness and highness of hazrat nouh (asw) that his own son was drowning if front of him. He was suffering a great loss as a father even though when warned by ALLAH(swt) that the son who was left the Haqq {Faith} and took to Baatil {Infidelity}, understand him to be yours purely for this reason that he was born from your back. It was the result of ignorance. He then immediately disregarded this wound in his heart which was the demand of islam.
Well !
its again the time for some question to be answered.
Carefully read the text as mentioned in Quran and read the explanation given by molana modudi, tell me whether he is defending the exaltness and highness of the prophet or he was doing some ”blasphemy”?
Why there is picking some sentences and skipping other sentences?
Isn’t that we can call a “fraud ” with the valuable work of the most eminent scholar of the 20th century ? jus to give a bad name?
Be a gentleman rather “itch remover”
Unfortunately, the Islam that we currently know considers these actions as "acceptable". so how come we call these flogging incidents un-islamic?
Forget ranting about what Islam was when it originated, accept what islam IS now.
@Aamir mughal!
isn't that funny that a person attcks on the others faith,using fraud as a weapon ranting too much about islam in the gauise of the defender of ASMAT E ANBIYAH(sws) and AZMAT E SAHABA(ra),attributes his blog name after the name of a kafir(chughtai khan) a worst enemy of the muslims.
why is that? is it because your ridiculous racial pride is bigger than your religion?
OBJECTION NO -3
Before answering the objection I want to quote the aayat and sahee ahadith regarding one particular incident.
When they entered the presence of Dawud, and he was terrified of them, they said: "Fear not: we are two disputants, one of whom has wronged the other: decide now between us with Truth, and treat us not with injustice, but guide us to the even Path.
"This man is my brother: he has nine and ninety ewes, and I have (but) one: yet he says, `Commit her to my care,' and is (moreover) harsh to me in speech
"This man is my brother: he has nine and ninety ewes, and I have (but) one: yet he says, `Commit her to my care,' and is (moreover) harsh to me in speech."
(Dawud) said: "He has undoubtedly wronged thee in demanding thy (single) ewe to be added to his (flock of) ewes; truly many are the Partners (in business) who wrong each other: not so do those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and how few are they?" And Dawud gathered that We had tried him: he asked Forgiveness of his Lord, fell down, bowing (in prostration), and turned (to Allah in repentance).
(surah suad/ 22-24)
According to imam abu hanifa the prostration is due at this place. Imam shafai do not saying that it not due because it is a repentance of the nabi(pbuh)
There are three narrations from ibn e abbas by mohadithin.
Akruma narrated that according to the ibn e abbas:
“these are not the verses where prostration of recitation is obligatory but I saw nabi e kareem(saww) prostrating at this place.(bukhari, abu daud, tirmizi ,nasai, musnad e ahmed
Saeed bin juber narrated that nabi e karim(saww) prostrated in surah suad and said “daud(asw) prostrated in repentance we prostrate in thankfulness.(because ALLAH(SWT) accepted his(daud) repentance.similar matter was quoted from mujahid.
Looking the Quranic text and the ahadith e mubarika one can clearly see that hazrat daud (asw) did made a mistake.
Now question arises that are you mature enough to ask about some details and explanations of that particular mistake or you want to move blindfolded from this point?
How can a muffasir can move from this point with out meeting those questions?
What will be your answer When a sincere and naive muslim read this Quranic text and ask you the question why hazrat daud (asw) repented ?
Do you really know what ulema e salf wrote about that?
Do you really know what Allama abu baker jasas , masrooq and saeed bin jubair,ibn e jareer, Qazi abu bakr ibn alarabi wrote in explaining these aayat?
Then why only molana modudi ?
Is it because molana modudi is an easy target?
Or because you haven’t balls to criticize on ibn e jareer or qazi abu bakr
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I had just quoted [as per you Great Deobandi Scholar] Mawlana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi who in his book had 17 Chapters on Mawdudi's Blasphemic Comments for the Prophet [PBUT] and Companions of the Prophets [May Allah be pleased with everyone of them] and Yousuf Ludhiyanvi, Yousuf Binnori, Abdul Majid Daryabadi had written volumes to refute Mawdudi so challenge these Deobandi Giant Ulema [as per your post not me] I have just quoted Mullhas on a Mullah.
thats hilarious!
well!i have a small piece of advice.do not attack some one with no good,old,rusted gun.because it may explode and you may injure yourself.
even though some of deo bandi ulema tried to smear a great scholar, a mujtahid and reformer, i have a respect for ulema e deoband. because they have a very out standing role in the history of sub continent.
"Outstanding"? Their brand of Islam has destroyed the fabric of Pakistani society.
lema e deo band did a great job for islam.please do not redicule them on the basis of wrong doing of few illiterate fanatics. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
even though some of deo bandi ulema tried to smear a great scholar, a mujtahid and reformer, i have a respect for ulema e deoband. because they have a very out standing role in the history of sub continent. [dr.jawwad khan]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
These are not some Deobandi Ulema:
1 – Maulana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi – Binnori Town refuted Mawdudi.
2 – Mawlana Yousuf Binnori – Founder of Binnori Town refuted Mawdudi
3 – Mawlana Abdul Majid Daryabadi pupil of Ashraf Ali Thanwi refuted Mawdudi.
You say you didn't find any Blasphemic references in Mawdudi's Tafheemat, I say go and get some books written by the above Deobandi Maulvis against Mawdudi because these Deobandi Maulvis have provided the References of that particular edition of Tafheemat wherein Mawdudi Calamity committed Blashphemy. In another thread you were very critical on Shia Community by the way Khomeini and Shia Scholars quoted Mawdudi on Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with both of them]. If you dont believe me then you can check yourself.
Regarding Racial Pride and my Blog' name:
Dear Jawwad Sahab kindly solve this mystrey of Polytheistic Name of Mawdudi.
Courtesy Dr Shabbir Ahmed
Before presenting some glimpses of the famous Mullah Maududi’s wisdom and knowledge, let us reflect on his full name and title, Maulana Syed Abul A’la Maududi. The name translates as: “Our Master, Owner, the Father of the Most Glorious, Maududi”. It is strange that the man claiming to be a great Islamic scholar lived 76 odd years with this name. Does it need much insight to see that the very name is shrieking outright divinity and Shirk? According to the Quran, Maulana (our Master) is none but Allah (9:51). And, obviously, Al-A’la (the Most Glorious) can be none but God.
So if you don’t think the books by debandi ulema are right then why quote from them? and try other to believe them to be true? or are you just free-riding their critism to your own benefit?
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Dear Zaki Sahab,
I had just provided the references of Books by Deobandi Ulemas on Mawdudi to Jawwad Sahab to expose this double standard of Mullahs that one hand they Issue Fatwa against Each other and when Political Need Arises they Form Political Alliance like [Qaumi Ittehad, MMA], they condemn Shias but these Mullahs [Deobandi, Barelvi, Salafis, and Jamat-e-Islami] tolerated Shias when they were after Quadiyani [main hero of 1965 War Major General Akhter Hussain Malik Quadiyani and Pakistan First Foreign Minister was Quadiyani and here goes your two nation theory and Islamic Ideology as well]
"polytheistic name of modudi"
dude! this is on the top of all you said against molana syed abual aala modudi.
and honestly i was not expecting from you.
first abu.
like many urdu speaking consider this having same meaning as "abbu". which is not the case.abu in arabi is use for "wala" as in urdu.like many gujrati name you might heard the names like:
javed sultan japan wala
ghulam mustufa bandooq wala
adam bhai cement wala etc etc
as we see in many sahaba e kiram(ra)
for example hazrat ali's "kunniyat" was abu turrab. turrab means dirt. which is given by prophet mohammed (pbuh) when HE saw hazrat ali(ra) having a nap in the gaurden and dirt was accumulated on his clothes.
and hazrat abu hurerah(ra) in arabi huraira means cat.the name was given to him(ra) because his love and care for the cats.
then aala.
Aala arabi men "ullaiyya" se afa lul tafseel ka segha hey. Jis ke maani oonchai ke hen. Consider aala as “ilaha” is nothing but ignorance.
You said “courtesy dr shabbir ahmed”
I say “jihalat” by halwaee shabbir ahmed
regarding the meaning of "moulana" by halwaee shabbir ahmed,
give me his address i'll personaly go there and kick his butt for such kind of jihalat
You said “courtesy dr shabbir ahmed” I say “jihalat” by halwaee shabbir ahmed. regarding the meaning of “moulana” by halwaee shabbir ahmed,give me his address i’ll personaly go there and kick his butt for such kind of jihalat [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
There is a big difference Title of Abu Turab for Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] means Father of Dust, Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] means Father of Cat and Abul Ala means Father of Allah [May Allah forgive me for even repeating this]
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The link for Dr Shabbir Ahmed is as under:
Type the caption below with Ourbeacon in google search
December 7th, 2007
THE MULLAH-IN-CHIEF OF THE 20TH CENTURY: MAUDUDI (1903-1979)
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Ulema e deo band did a great job for islam.please do not redicule them on the basis of wrong doing of few illiterate fanatics. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
even though some of deo bandi ulema tried to smear a great scholar, a mujtahid and reformer, i have a respect for ulema e deoband. because they have a very out standing role in the history of sub continent. [dr.jawwad khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
There is book written "Khilafat wa Malookiyat Ki Tareekhi Aur Shariee Haisiyat [Authenticity and Relity of Caliphat and Kingdom by Mawdudui] by Hafiz Salahuddin Yousuf [Editor of Weekly Eitisaam, Lahore Pakistan , he is a Salafi Scholar and if you get that book then please note that in preface following Deobandi and even Barelvi Scholar praised the above book on the refutation ofr Mawdudi's Deviant and Blasphemic Beliefs regarding the Companions of Prophet Mohammad. You have already praised Deobandi Mullahs in one of your mail and following Mullahs [not ordinary Jahil Taliban] praised the book:
1 – Mufti Muhammad Shafi Usmani [Deobandi]
2 – Justice Taqi Usmani [Deobandi]
3 – Maulana Ziauddin Islahi [Daar ul Musanifeen Azam Garh India]
4 – Maulana Yousuf Ludhiyanvi [Binnori Town – Deobandi]
5 – Maulana Ghulamullah Khan [Rawalpindi – Deobandi]
6 – Dr Israr Ahmed [Former Deputy of Mawdudi]
7 – Maulana Amee Ahsan Islahi [Former number 2 of Mawdudi]
8 – Agha Shoorish Kashmiri [Noted Scholar and Journalist]
9 – Maulana Manzoor Naimani [One of the founder of Jamat-e-Islami and Deobandi scholar and also refuted Mawdudi in his book on Islamic Revolution of Iran]
10 – Safi ur Rahman Mubarakpuri [Author of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH's biography Ar Raheeq Al Makhtoom and he is an Indian Scholar and a Salafi]
11 – Yousuf Saleem Chishti [Deobandi Sufi Scholar]
12 – Maulana Abul Hasan Nadvi [Former Head of Darul Ulomm Deoband and Member Board of Medina University Saudi Arabia]
@amir mughal!
why don't you have research of your own rather quoting the research of others all thwe time.
internet is the biggest gift of science to the mankind. but believe me there is no alternate of the books.
you can not have that kind of absorption and indulgence on internet whih you get from the books.
if there are some allegations against any author, it is better to read the original text before spreading those allegations.
ulema e deoband might said some thing wrong about molana syed abul aala modudi but it doesn't negate their services.
take care and best of luck
why don’t you have research of your own rather quoting the research of others all thwe time. internet is the biggest gift of science to the mankind. but believe me there is no alternate of the books. you can not have that kind of absorption and indulgence on internet whih you get from the books. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Sir,
Check my post above I have quoted a book and have also quoted "Services of Deobandi Scholras on Refuting Mawdudi"
thanks dear.i shall read inshaALLAH.
but please do read the "khalafat o malookiyat".
then read any criticism you want.
one last question!
if the deoband ulema are not good(as you have said in previous posts then why you are emphacising so much on reading their books against molana syed abul aala modudi?
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I have Tafheemat and Khilafat o Malookiyat and books [Tabari, Tabaqat-e-Ibn-Saad, History by Ibn Khalqan, History by Ibn Khaldun, History by Ibn Kathir – Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya, History of Sahaba by Ibn Athir in my personal Library] through which Mawdudi concocted Tabbara [Read Khilafat o Malookiyat] on the Companions of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] in the name of History.
But I also have these books
1 – A Great Collection of Fabricated Traditions (Arabic: Al-Mawdu'at al-Kubrah) by ibn Al-Jawzi, 2 – Mauzuaat-e-Kabeer by Mulla Ali ibn Sultan al-Qari, 3 – Saheeh al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer and Da’eef al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, both by Shaykh al-Albaani, 4 – Irwa’ al-Ghaleel fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth Manaar al-Sabeel, also by al-Albaani, 5 – Al-Talkhees al-Habeer fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Raafa’i al-Kabeer, by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar al-‘Aqsallaani, 6 – Nasab al-Raayah fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Hidaayah by Haafiz al-Zayla’i, 7 – Tuhfat al-Ashraaf bi Ma’rifat al-Atraaf by al-Haafiz al-Mazzi, 8 – Great Indian Scholar Muhammad Tahir Patni books e.g. “Tadhkirrah al-Mawdoo’aat Wal-Dhu’afaahas
through which the Bio-Data and Authenticity of Narrators can be checked e.g Majority of Narrators [untrustworth, liars, fabricators and blasphemer] which Mawdudi have quoted in his so-called Magnum Opus – Khilafat O Malookiyat are as under:
1 – Abu Mikhnaf.
2 – Suddi.
3 – Hishma Kalbi.
4 – Muhammad Bin Hisam Kalbi.
5 – Umer Waqidi.
They have been declared known Liars and Blasphemers in the books above.
2 –
one last question!if the deoband ulema are not good(as you have said in previous posts then why you are emphacising so much on reading their books against molana syed abul aala modudi? [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Because you have been praising Deobandis right or left.
I dont follow anyone rather Quran and Riaz us Salehin and Lulul Al Marjan [Collection of Authentic, Verified and Checked Hadith] and that is enough for me. I have read all the History books mentioned above and if you would go through these books then you may find War [as if the best generation after Prophet Mohammad – PBUH as soon Mohammad died, were at each others throat] e.g. Battle of Jamal, Battle of Siffin and Battle of Neherwan [total death toll is given 2 to 3 Lakhs – For Allahs Sakes, how the hell they collected this detail after 250 years and one of the biggest joke is this that Tabari is directly reporting it by giving a Narration by Abhu Mikhnad, and that too without and linked chain [there is around 50 years of difference between Abu Mikhan's death and Birth of Tabari.
Aamir Mughal,
Dude stop lying. In the above posts you were quoting Deobandi Ulema, how they disapprove Maudoodi. and then you go on and say that nothing is authentic other than Quran and Riaz us Saleheen?
So if you don't think the books by debandi ulema are right then why quote from them? and try other to believe them to be true?
or are you just free-riding their critism to your own benefit?
May Allah give us the knowledge which is beneficial and not that which is crooked and useless, Ameeen
one last question!if the deoband ulema are not good(as you have said in previous posts then why you are emphacising so much on reading their books against molana syed abul aala modudi? [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
I also insist you to read Deobandi Scholars on Jinnah:
Minus Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Allama Shabbir Ahmed Usmani every Deobandi, Berlvi, Ahrari, Jamati, Salafi Mullah opposed Pakistan and Jinnah by tooth and nail but later ended up in Pakistan [Marnay Ki liyay]. I have their Fatwas against Jinnah, other Founders of Pakistan and Muslim
Quaid e azam was the greatest leader of the 20th century and right fully owned and proved his title. his religion in not my business. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Your favourite Deobandi [most of them were in Indian Congress], Barlevis and Mawdudi had the opinion that Jinnah and others who mad Pakistan possible were not ‘Good Muslims’ and in some cases [as per Mullahs], Founders of Pakistan were Kaafirs [sic]
Read..
Ulema and Pakistan Movement
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/secular-…
Dude stop lying. In the above posts you were quoting Deobandi Ulema, how they disapprove Maudoodi. [Zaki]
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Dear Zaki Sahab,
Read the post above.
So if you don’t think the books by debandi ulema are right then why quote from them? and try other to believe them to be true? or are you just free-riding their critism to your own benefit? [Zaki]
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Dear Zaki Sahab,
How would you define this?
Why this double standard???
Massage centre abductees were from MMA By Shakeel Anjum
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id…
ISLAMABAD: Two of the nine persons kidnapped from a Chinese massage centre in F-8/3 late on the night of June 22 by the local Taliban and who were mysteriously released by the police belonged to the MMA, authoritative sources have told The News.
Seven of those kidnapped were Chinese and their identity was made public while the identity of the two Pakistanis was not disclosed. The sources said that the two Pakistanis were Matiullah Khan and Raqiaz Khan from Bannu. Matiullah Khan, a nephew of the former member of National Assembly, the late Maulana Naseeb Ali Shah, was contesting elections from the seat of his uncle. Raqiaz Khan was his supporter, they added.
The sources said that Matiullah Khan, while recording his statement with the police, said that he was suffering from knee pain and had gone to the massage centre for a massage where he was held.
Male and female students (respectively Taliban and Talibat) of Jamia Faridia, Jamia Hafsa and Beaconhouse School System, in a joint operation, kidnapped Chinese women and Pakistani men shortly after midnight Friday from a Chinese massage center at house 14, Street 4, F-8/3, alleging that they were running a brothel. However, the hostages said they were running a massage centre and beauty parlour.
The Lal Masjid administration later released nine persons after detaining them for 17 hours. The police, the district administration and Lal Masjid identified the Chinese but kept secret the identity of two Pakistanis.
The police, later, freed both the 'political bigwigs' keeping their names secret on the direction of the district administration. The sources claimed that the Lal Masjid administration, after knowing about the identity of the kidnapped 'Pakistanis' who enjoyed strong political background, facilitated their release. They made it part of the agreement arrived at with the police and the district administration that their identity would be kept a secret.
Meanwhile, President of MMA Qazi Hussain Ahmad, when contacted by this correspondent, said that he didn't know Matiullah Khan. "It would be better to investigate their involvement and publish whatever is the truth," he advised.
My few cents being thrown in to this conundrum. First, as an Indian, i will address Mr.Ajay, who valiantly proclaimed that Caste system doesn't exist in India anymore. I would take the liberty to say that he doesn't have any sense. The statistics published by National Human rights Commission portray a completely different picture and shows us some gruesome statistics. Lower caste people are harassed and taunted at every other junction in India, be it the metros or rural areas. So, it is a false attempt to gather a high moral ground, while these unfortunate events are happening in Pakistan. India is equally barbaric and unfair towards lower caste people and women. Now let us leave it at that.
While there is some hope lingering around in this thread, most of it doesnt offer any optimism. Why dont you break the shackles of religion, come out and question the outdated practices and the so called written verses that should be controlling your lives? I wonder if Pakistani's are afraid to do so, to have rational conversation about life, excluding religion. Why do people delve more and more in that same mosh pit which has created this whole mess? I know, it could not easy to distinguish the right and wrong in a religion, why dont we say that the whole things is a hog wash? I would say that with my religion. I would not play in to the dirty tricks of Hindu fundamentalist who trying to shove cow urine in to my mouth coz i am an Hindu. They are outdated, trivial and inconsequential in my life and so is Hinduism.
People, break the shackles understand the larger picture. Here is Richard Holbrooke in your nation overseeing the developments of AFPAK region and do you remember him? He was the man who oversaw the balkanistion, so what are we to expect from him?
i have started to build my e-library.
here is the link for the book "khilafat o malookiyat".
download it and read it:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14008410/Khilafat-o-Mal…
Perhaps this might be interesting to all the contributors here.
The full article which can be viewed at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/20/afgha…
Here are a few extracts.
"Afghanistan's tragedy exemplifies the maxim of western power – that third world countries are regarded and dealt with strictly in terms of their usefulness to "us". The ruthlessness and hypocrisy this requires is imprinted on Afghanistan's modern history. One of the most closely guarded secrets of the cold war was America's and Britain's collusion with the warlords, the mojahedin, and the critical part they played in stimulating the jihad that produced the Taliban, al-Qaida and September 11.
"According to the official view of history," Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's national security adviser, admitted in an interview in 1998, "CIA aid to the mojahedin began during 1980, that is, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan… But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise." At Brzezinski's urging, in July 1979 Carter authorised $500m to help set up what was basically a terrorist organisation. The goal was to lure Moscow, then deeply troubled by the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the Soviet central Asian republics, into the "trap" of Afghanistan, a source of the contagion.
For 17 years, Washington poured $4bn into the pockets of some of the most brutal men on earth – with the overall aim of exhausting and ultimately destroying the Soviet Union in a futile war. One of them, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a warlord particularly favoured by the CIA, received tens of millions of dollars. His speciality was trafficking opium and throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil. In 1994, he agreed to stop attacking Kabul on condition that he was made primeminister – which he was.
Eight years earlier, CIA director William Casey had given his backing to a plan put forward by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. More than 100,000 Islamic militants were trained in Pakistan between 1986 and 1992, in camps overseen by the CIA and MI6, with the SAS training future al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in bomb-making and other black arts. Their leaders were trained at a CIA camp in Virginia. This was called Operation Cyclone and continued long after the Soviets had withdrawn in 1989.
When the Soviet Union finally collapsed, the chessboard was passed to the Clinton administration. The latest mutation of the mojahedin, the Taliban, now ruled Afghanistan. In 1997, US state department officials and executives of the Union Oil Company of California (Unocal) discreetly entertained Taliban leaders in Washington and Houston, Texas. They were entertained lavishly, with dinner parties at luxurious homes in Houston. They asked to be taken shopping at a Walmart and flown to tourist attractions, including the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida and Mount Rushmore in South Dakota, where they gazed upon the faces of American presidents chiselled in the rockface. The Wall Street Journal, bulletin of US power, effused, "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace in Afghanistan at this moment in history."
In January 1997, a state department official told journalists in a private briefing that it was hoped Afghanistan would become an oil protectorate, "like Saudi Arabia". It was pointed out to him that Saudi Arabia had no democracy and persecuted women. "We can live with that," he said.
The American goal was now the realisation of a 60-year "dream" of building a pipeline from the former Soviet Caspian across Afghanistan to a deep-water port. The Taliban were offered 15 cents for every 1,000 cubic feet of gas that passed through Afghanistan. Although these were the Clinton years, pushing the deal were the "oil and gas junta" that was soon to dominate George W Bush's regime. They included three former members of George Bush senior's cabinet, such as the present vice-president, Dick Cheney, representing nine oil companies, and Condoleezza Rice, now national security adviser, then a director of Chevron-Texaco with special responsibility for Pakistan and Central Asia.
Peel the onion of this and you find Bush senior as a paid consultant of the huge Carlyle Group, whose 164 companies specialise in oil and gas and pipelines and weapons. His clients included a super-wealthy Saudi family, the Bin Ladens. (Within days of the September 11 attacks, the Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the US in high secrecy.)
The pipeline "dream" faded when two US embassies in east Africa were bombed and al-Qaida was blamed and the connection with Afghanistan was made. The usefulness of the Taliban was over; they had become an embarrassment and expendable. In October 2001, the Americans bombed back into power their old warlord friends, the "Northern Alliance". Today, with Afghanistan "liberated", the pipeline is finally going ahead, watched over by the US ambassador to Afghanistan, John J Maresca, formerly ofUnocal.
What is all the outrage about? She was getting too friendly with a man that she wasn't supposed to be with. So she got her ass whipped for it. Hopefully her father whipped her again when she got home. She knows the rules and broke them anyway. She deserved it.
NAMASTHE TO ALL. VIOLENCE IS NOT SOLUTION FOR ANYTHING. AND IN THIS CASE IT IS VIOLENCE TO A WOMEN. IT SHOULD BE CONDEMNED BY ALL TO WHICH RELIGION HE OR SHE BELONGS. AND REGARDING SHARIA LAW- IAM NOT A MUSLIM AND SO DONT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THE GOODNESS OR BADNESS ABOUT IT. BUT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS JUST THINK, THIS IS NOT 6TH CENTURY BUT 21ST CENTURY. HOW CAN A LAW MADE IN THE 6TH CENTURY BE APPLICABLE IN 21ST CENTURY. STEPS SHOULD BE ADOPTED TO MODIFY SHARIA ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT SITUATION. ALSO I HAVE AN OPINION (IF IT HURTS ANY ONE SORRY) THAT THESE SHARIA LAW IS LITTLE HARSH. I DONT THINK GOD WOULD SUPPORT THESE BARBARIC ACTS OF STONING,BEHEADING FLOGGING ETC. THESE ACTS ARE AGAINST HUMANITY. STOP FROM THINKING IN THE CIRCLE OF RELIGION ONLY. JUST COME OUT OF THAT CIRCLE AND THINK AS HUMAN BEING AND JUST THINK. THEN ONLY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND (PROVIDED YOU HAVE BRAIN AND ARE READY TO THINK) THAT THESE BARBARIC ACTS ALL ARE WRONG. THESE RULES MIGHT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY DURING THAT TIME IN ARABIA IN 6 TH CENTURY. AT THAT TIME CRIME RATE IN ARABIA WAS UNCONTROLLABE. THAT IS WHY SHARIA LAW WAS MADE SO STRICT. I DONT THINK IT IS THE LAW TOLD BY GOD.
I HAVE EVIDENCE TO PROVE MY POINT. ALL RELIGONS ARE MAN MADE WHETHER ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM OR HINDUISM. NOW YOU PEOPLE WILL NOT AGREE. I KNOW THAT VERY WELL. MY FRIENDS JUST THINK IS THERE MENTIONING OF DINOSAURS IN QURAN OR BIBLE OR GITA. NO JUST BECAUSE THE AUTHORS OF THE BOOK NEVER KNEW ABOUT THAT KIND OF A THING. IT THEY KNEW THEY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED IT IN THE BOOKS. THIS IS A SIMPLE EXAMPLE THAT ALL RELIGONS ARE MAN MADE.
NOW ABOUT RELIGIONS HINDUISM IS BELIEVED TO BE THE OLDEST OF ALL RELIGIONS. I, EVENTHOUGH A HINDU, CAN SAY THAT IT WAS MAN MADE RELIGION. ALL RITUALS FOLLOWED IN HINDUISM WAS MADE TO BRING A GROUP OF PEOPLE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.
NOW ABOUT ISLAM, YOU ALL WILL CLAIM ISLAM IS THE CORRECT RELIGION AND QURAN IS BOOK WHICH HAS GOD'S ORDERS. JUST APPLY YOUR BRAIN MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. MAN WAS CREATED ALMOST 30000 YEARS AGO BUT QURAN WAS MADE ONLY 1400 YRS AGO!WHY??? SO UPTO 6TH CENTURY GOD WAS HESITANT TO GIVE HIS ORDERS. NOW YOU ALL WILL CLAIM THAT WE HAD PROPHETS LIKE MOSES AND JESUS. BUT THAT ALSO WILL NOT DATE BACK MORE THAN 4000 YRS AGO. THESE ALL PROVE THAT MOSES, JESUS AND MOHAMMED (AND MAY ALSO INCLUDE RAM AND KRISHNA)WERE GREAT SCHOLARS AND WANTED TO REMOVE EVILNESS PREVAILING IN THE SOCIETY DURING THAT TIME. THAT IS WHY THEY ALL GAVE THIER OWN SETS OF RULES OF ADVISES AND ORDERS. ALL THESE BOOKS BIBLE QURAN TORAH AND GITA MAY APPEAR CONTRASTING IDEAS. BUT WERE MADE JUST FOR THE HUMAN KIND DURING THAT TIME AND IN NO WAY WILL SUIT THE MODERN LIFE STYLE.
FROM MY COMMENTS SOME OF MY FRIENDS OVER HERE WILL THINK THAT IAM AN AETHIST. NO MY FRIENDS I HAVE READ GITA VEDAS QURAN AND BIBLE. I WANT TO SAY ONE THING IAM NOT AETHIST. I BELIEVE IN GOD. BUT I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY RELIGION. ALL RELGIONS BELIEVES ARE HUMAN MADE. I HOPE YOU ALL KNOW BUDDHA. HE SAID GOD LOVES A PERSON DOING GOOD THINGS. NOT A PERSON FOLLOWING ANY RITUAL PRESCRIBED BY ANY RELIGION.
I WANT TO ASK ALL MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTER. DO YOU ALL THINK ALL NON MUSLIMS WILL GO TO HELL. THEN 75% OF HUMAN POPULATION WILL DIRECTLY GO TO HELL JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FROM A DIFFERENT RELIGION. NO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS NO. GOD WILL JUDGE A PERSON NOT ON THE BASIS OF HIS RELION, BUT ON THE BASIS OF HIS DEEDS. GOOD DEEDS MAKE A PERSON CLOSER TO GOD.
DO YOU ALL THINK A STIRICT RELIGOUS MUSLIM FOLLOWING ALL THINKS DESCRIBED IN QURAN WILL GO TO HEAVEN IF HE SUPPORT TERRORISM.NO.
NOW ABOUT ANOTHER THING IAM NOT BLAMING ISLAM. BUT SOME OF ISLAMISTS CONSIDER HINDUISM AS PAGANISM AND SO THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED. HINDUS IN AFGANISTAN AND PAKISTAN ARE LEAVING LIFE OF ANIMALS. ACTUALLY PAGANISM IS DISCOURAGED IN QURAN JUST BECAUSE IN 6TH CENTURY ARABIA THERE WERE LOT OF PAGAN GROUPS AND ALL WERE FIGHTING EACH OTHER AND WERE AGAINST PROGRESS OF COUNTRY. BUT HINDUISM CANNOT BE COMPARED TO PAGANISM AS IT APPEARS. I HAVE EARLIER TOLD YOU THAT I HAVE READ VEDAS. IN REG VEDA IT IS MENTIONED THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HINDUS DO PRAY LOT OF GODS. BUT ACTUALLY ALL GODS ARE DIFFERENT FORMS OF ONE GOD.
AND REGARDING IDOL WORSHIPPING. I HAVE GONE TO TEMPLE CHURCH AND MOSQUES. IN TEMPLE WE USED TO PRAY IN FRONT OF AN IDOL. ACTUALLY AS ALL PEOPLE PRAY IN FRONT OF THAT IDOL A POSITIVE ENERGY IS GENERATED THAT WILL MAKE OUR MIND PURE. IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN. SO DONT BLAME IDOL WORSHIPPING.
FROM MY COMMENTS ATLEAST SOME OF MY FRIENDS OVERHERE WILL THINK THAT IAM A HARDCORE HINDU. NO . I DONT SUPPORT ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE IN ANY FORM. GOD WILL FEEL BAD ONE PERSON KILLING(OR EVEN HURTING) ANOTHER PERSON DISREGARDING HIS OR HER RELIGION. I WANT ONLY TO SAY THAT DONT KEEP YOUR MINDS NARROW AND IN CIRCLES OF RELIGION.JUST COME OUT OF THAT AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND THINGS. GOD IS NOT ISLAMIC GOD NOT CHRISTIAN GOD NOT HINDU GOD NOT JEW GOD BUT GOD THAT CREATED THE WHOLE WORLD INCUDING YOU AND ME. MAY THAT GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
Thanks God…. After all the Taliban have shown their real agenda….
Now we are aware of them, and can not tolerate them any more..
Salam All,
I would ask all of you to read your scriptures and then comment.
Quran(24:2) Translation By Abduallh Yusuf Ali
"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, Flog each of them with hundred stripes. Let not compasion move you in their case, in a matter Prescribed By Allah, if ye believe In Allah and the Last day. And let a party of the believers witness their Punishment.
This is what Quran says and i think thats exactly what you see in this video.
Another Ayat Quran (5:38) Translation By Abduallah yusuf Ali " As to the theif Male or Female, Cut off his or her hands: A punishment by the way of example, from Allah, for their crime: And Allah is Exalted In Power, Full of Wisdom.
So now according to Quran whatever the video shows is right and thats how it should be. If anyone is against it he or she is going against Quran. This is Quran and all of you can check. I have not made it up and the translation is known world wide.
Now its nothing to do with which sect of islam one follows because i am sure all claim to follow Quran but their interpretation are different. Well in this case i don't think one can complicate something which is explained so simply and clearly.
If you think its medieval or barbaric then i guess you don't believe in Quran to be the last and complete book of Allah till the Last Day, which includes 21st century.
Public punishments are there so that the criminal can be shamed for his/her crime and the people to learn from their example.
No one knows what this girl did. then why make up your own things and argue about it.
No one knows when this video was shot and how it got published right when the president was to sign Nizam-e-adal regulation.
No one knows which group do these people belong to. All we do is judge their act according to Quran and Hadits and Quran(24:2) is very clear and explains everything in simple words and we being muslims should believe in Quran and hadits. Don't follow taliban or some so called fanatic mullah. Follow the Quran and agree to it with logic and understanding.
The public flogging and humiliation of a woman in Swat (a shameful act) is a murder of humanity. Islam teaches us 'Love of Humanity'.
This act of sucking of its blood is unislamic. Meri Nigah Mein Islam 'AKHUWWAT, MASAAWAAT, HAMDARDI, RAWAADAARI AUR INSAANIYATT NAWAAZI KAA MAZHABB HAI'.
The Prophet of Islam, Mohammad (Peace be upon him) said 'AOURTOAN KEY SAATH HAMESHAA NAIKE BARTAAO KARRO AUR KISSI PER KISSI KISSAMM KAA ZULMM NAA KARRO'.
Let us not only condemn this barbarism but crush it jointly.
It is a slur on the fair name of humanity. It is woman who has given birth to all of us. She is the 'MOTHER OF MANKIND'. We all must vow to protect her and save her from being hammered and humiliated. It we cannot do this, we have no right to live.
The Prophet of Islam (PBUH)dedicated his whole life not only to preach peace but practised and maintained it. Let us all follow the following Hadith:
'MUHABBATT MERI BINIYAAD HAI'.
abbas
there is nodoubt in the ayas o the holy book.but please understand that these taaliban are infact indian sponsored terrorists out to harm pakistan.justice from ppl who abduct 11 yr kids to carry out suicide bombings is really ironical, these buggers have nothing to do with islam at all.
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there is nodoubt in the ayas o the holy book.but please understand that i (noman) is the biggest munafiq in pakistan.there fore it is my duty to attack on every thing which is islamic by any mean…….
if you don't believe it check the blog "ghazi or shaheed:ghazi abdul rasheed" where i show many hypocritic gymnastic.