Psychoanalysis of an Extremist

I am stuck, in middle of nowhere, or at the extremes of somewhere, I don’t know what is right or what is wrong, rather who is right or who is wrong. Height of epistemocracy I might be at, rather in a quest to know more, but got more questions than answers along the way. I am an empiricist, I want to see the missing links, between the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle of reality, but cannot; others though assumes, theorize the nature of connections among events, the reasons of causality, the triggering points of incidents, but I prefer not to deduce, as I don’t get pleased by the release of the excruciating mental tension, due to confusion, but people do rather, like those who train innocent children as suicide bombers.” … I might be lying…

It’s a cognitive requirement, to have a logic (illogic) of what is what, who is who and where is where, how is how, if not, our neural networks don’t abide, rather strive to connect the missing bits, scattered pieces, seemingly random events happening all around us. It happens naturally, unintentionally. Though intentionally we tend to resist, not often though, to keep events from explanations, and people disconnected from our judgments, labels, and tags like Kafir, Murtids, Taliban, etcetera.

To challenge our own assumptions, to question our deductions, our perceptions, is not though easy, rather an act igniting frenzy, the opposite is natural, to have a reason for survival, though eternal, satirical it may sound, “better I have a reasons to kill or die, instead I putrefy without a reason to cry.”

Life is without meaning, for many, but for some, it is like hell. Living every minute of it, thinking why his pockets get empty before they could even feed their siblings? Why his friend is in jail waiting for his turn in court since a decade? Why without leaving a trace his son disappeared one fine day? Why his daughter was molested and raped on the way, when a political leader (demagogue) was murdered? Why his neighbor blew into pieces by a bomb meant to target some officially declared terrorists? Why….? And, why he can’t get an answer to every ‘Why’? … Very few face such circumstances, though almost all of us have questions tending toward such extremes. “Why my boss always acts as if I am trying to avert from responsibilities or tasks assigned to me?”

Humans need an answer to every ‘why’, every cause of events, particularly those threatening our endurance and of our children, though they might not get. It is an instinct, designed, embedded in our cognition; demanding every second a justification, forcing our mind to theorize the causality of events, most crucial of them of our existence in circumstances beyond our comprehension, hence the most indispensible question “Why I exists the way I exist?”. Some search for an answer their entire lives, most get acclimatized by its sting. But those who finds the cure, i.e. an answer, keeps it sacred, holds it high, even die for it! … “The miseries I faces confirm that I am pious, sanctimonious … a–hole?”

The reason might have religious connotation, so called, and will mold and hold the endogenous and exogenous state of affairs of the subject, around the very reason of survival. His social connection will evolve around the same, life priorities as well. He will embrace those who appreciates and avert those who doubts or rejects, intensity of which will depend on the degree of the admiration of his vision, his perceptions or the very opposite; instinctual indeed. “Have you ever thought why religious groups most often split into two, then into four, then into eight and then disintegrate? So many examples we have emerged in the past …”

Would he allow anyone to challenge his believes, interpretations, perceptions, judgments, inferences and expectations, build around his core, i.e. his answer to the question “Why I exists the way I exist?” … ? Most likely he won’t unless he has the guts to challenge and question his thinking, and evaluate if his conscience confirms to his actions or not? Conscience, which is otherwise, bogged or unplugged by the confirmation syndrome (i.e. appreciation by the likeminded) … “All those wearing turbans, looks like pathans and holding guns are Talibans i.e. terrorists … they must be ruined and butchered!”

Welcome to the realm of fascism…

Ego rules here, subservient are those morals, principles, even Hadith and Quranic verses which confirms to it, and the ones which doesn’t, are overlooked instead. This is the case with both i.e. those who are considered as religious extremists by secular extremists and vice versa. Ego worshipers contextualizes the universal truths, mold them, use them to confirm their actions as holy … Are you one of them?

If only on the basis of a few hints you find it appropriate to tag a person or a group as Talibans or Kafirs, Murtids, etc depending upon which extreme you belong, then you definitely have become exceedingly good at it, in being a fascist i.e. … “Every Peron working with executive bodies or Military i.e. protecting an American sponsored government is an Infidel and Murtid hence doesn’t hold the right to live…”

If contrary is true for you, and you have realized that there are ‘known unknowns’, and ‘unknown unknowns’, instead of theorizing you wait for the empirical evidence, and hold fast with the principles, universal truths and wholly adhere to Divine guidance, then I congratulate as you are a extinct species, and the one badly needed today.

How this all started? Answering this question will result in a never ending debate like the one about ‘chicken or egg’, i.e. which of them came first? Instead the more important matter is how to deal with it. Racism, fascism or even sectarianism has existed since the known history, and they are here to stay as long as the world exists, unless there is a serious effort done to eliminate their root causes, i.e. poverty, economic disparity, social discrimination, injustice, and all those social illnesses which make a common man feels that his life itself is a mistake, probably of his parents rather? It is not a question of how, rather who. A trillion dollar question, simply because those, who have the power to put an end to all this, are the direct beneficiaries of this mayhem, and those who don’t hold such a power, are at the suffering end.

I don’t know who it will be or when, what I do know if such a person or a social movement emerges, then we will definitely have to make a choice, i.e. whether we support it or resist it. If you chose to remain idle, then it will imply that you have indirectly chosen to support the evil instead. Saying of Edmund Burke “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men (and women) do nothing”. In the end your ‘Fate’ will depend on whose side you were standing … Fascism, right! … ?



33 responses to “Psychoanalysis of an Extremist”

  1. skeptic Avatar

    Actually I got a bit of a shock when I did the Hajj. At the airport they (saudi Govt) gives a Hajj guide approved by their ministry of hajj etc.. the guide is by sheikh uthmeen I think, you can find it on the web. There is a section in it by the name things that nullify iman. Search google with the nullifiers of islam or iman. Then read on.

    It will mention 10 common things which makes one a non muslim. I was shocked to read them, espically since my own iman was nullifed on a number of the conditions.

    Point is that what we may consider extremist is mainstream islam to the arabs what we would call hanbali, salafi, wahabi.

    I went and asked a hanafi mufti, that I read this stuff, this is distrubing, seems to nullify most people I know (including myself) what do you hanafis say about these conditions do they actually nuliffy iman, his answer was even more shocking, he said hanafis too agree with these conditions (with some changes), only differnce is that hanafis allow rule by non saharia to be zulm not kufr so long as its been done out of weekness and not belief and desire to implement non sharia laws.

    The book is

    A Guide to Hajj, ‘Umrah and Visiting the Prophet’s () Mosque

    The Agency of Islamic Enlightenment in Hajj

    Approved by:

    The Permanent Committee of Islamic Research and Fatwaa & Muhammad bin Salih al-‘Uthaymeen

    Here are the nullifiers.. from the book.. read em and weep… Eight one is the one you mentiond…

    The Things that Nullify One’s Faith

    Brothers and sisters! You must be aware that there are things that nullify your Islam. We will mention here the ten most common ones. Please be mindful of them.

    The First: Associating partners with Allah (shirk). Allah, the Most High says:

    ﴿إِنَّهُ مَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللهُ عَلَيهِ الْجَنَّةَ وَمَأْوَاهُ النَّارُ وَمَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ مِنْ أَنصَارٍ﴾

    “Truly, whoever associates partner with Allah, Allah will forbid him the Garden, and his abode will be the Fire, and the wrongdoers will have no helpers.” [Surah al-Maa`idah (5):72]

    Invoking the dead, asking their help, or offering vows and sacrifices to them are all forms of shirk.

    The Second: Setting up intermediaries between oneself and Allah, making supplication to them, asking their inter-cession with Allah, and placing one’s trust in them is an act of unbelief (kufr).

    The Third: Anyone who does not consider polytheists (mushrikeen) to be unbelievers, who has doubts concerning their unbelief, or considers their ways to be correct, is himself an unbeliever (kaafir).

    The Fourth: Anyone who believes that some guidance other than the Prophet’s guidance is more perfect or a judgement other than the Prophet’s judgement is better has become an unbeliever. This applies to those who prefer the rule of the taaghoot over the Prophet’s rule. Some examples are:

    (a) To believe that systems and laws made by human beings are better than the Sharee‘ah (legislative system) of Islam, for example:

    i) That the Islamic system is not suitable for application in the twenty-first century.

    ii) That the Islamic system is the cause of backwardness of Muslims.

    iii) Or that Islam is only a relationship between a man and His Lord and does not have any relations with other aspects of life.

    (b) To say that the implementation of the commands of Allah in regards to the fixed punishments (Hu-dood) prescribed by Allah, such as cutting off the hand of a thief or stoning an adulterer, is not suitable in this day and age.

    (c) To believe that it is permissible to rule by a law other than what Allah has revealed in Islamic transactions, matters of criminal justice or other affairs, even if he does not believe that such rulings are superior to the Sharee‘ah. This is because by doing so he would be declaring as permissible something which Allah made impermissible. Anyone who regards as permissible something that Allah has made impermissible, such as adultery, drinking alcohol, usury, and similar things whose prohibition is common knowledge; such a person has become an unbeliever according to the consensus of all Muslims.

    The Fifth: Anyone who hates anything that the Messenger () has declared to be lawful has nullified his Islam, even if he were to abide by it and act upon it. Allah () says:

    ﴿ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ كَرِهُوا مَا أَنزَلَ اللهُ فَأَحْبَطَ أَعْمَالَهُمْ﴾

    “This is because they disliked what Allah has re-vealed, so their deeds are brought to nothing.” [Su-rah Muhammad (47):9]

    The Sixth: Anyone who mocks Allah, His Book, His Messenger () or any other aspect of Allah’s religion has indeed become an unbeliever. Allah () says:

    ﴿قُلْ أَبِاللهِ وَآيَاتِهِ وَرَسُولِهِ كُنتُمْ تَسْتَهْزِئُونَ * لاَ تَعْتَذِرُواْ قَدْ كَفَرْتُم بَعْدَ إِيمَانِكُمْ﴾

    “Say: Is it Allah, His Signs and His Messenger that you are mocking. Make no excuse: you have disbe-lieved after your (profession of) faith.” [Surah at-Tawbah (9):65-66]

    The Seventh: The practice of magic, which includes the act of separating between a husband and wife by turning his love for her into hatred, or tempting a person to do things he dislikes through devilish arts. Anyone who engages in such acts or is pleased with it is outside the circle of Islam. Allah , the Most High () says:

    ﴿وَمَا يُعَلِّمَانِ مِنْ أَحَدٍ حَتَّىٰ يَقُولاَ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ فِتْنَةٌ فَلاَ تَكْفُرْ﴾

    “The two angels (Haaroot and Maaroot) did not teach anyone (magic) without warning them: ‘In-deed, we are a trial, therefore, do not disbelieve.’ ” [Surah al-Baqarah (2):102]

    The Eighth: Supporting and aiding the polytheists against the Muslims. Allah () says:

    ﴿وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ﴾

    “He among you who supports them becomes one of them. Truly, Allah does not guide the people who do wrong.” [Surah al-Maa`idah (5):51]

    The Ninth: Anyone who believes that some people are permitted to deviate from the Sharee‘ah of Muhammad () is an unbeliever, due to the saying of Allah ():

    ﴿وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلاَمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ﴾

    “Anyone who seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be among the losers.” [Surah Aali ‘Imraan (3):85]

    The Tenth: To turn away from the religion of Allah, or those aspects which are necessary in order to remain within its fold, neither learning its precepts nor acting upon it. Allah () says:

    ﴿وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا عَمَّا أُنذِرُوا مُعْرِضُونَ﴾

    “But those who disbelieve turn away from that of which they are warned.” [Surah al-Ahqaaf (46):3]

    It makes no difference whether such violations are committed jokingly, seriously, or out of fear, except if they are done under a state of compulsion.

    We seek refuge in Allah from those deeds that entail His wrath and severe punishment.

    1. misszara Avatar

      oh my god, I'm a kafira too ( a moroccan one!LOL!)! Thanks God (=Allah, now that I must specify "which" god I'm talking about…) I don't live in KSA…

  2. jami Avatar

    Lets see who has time to read this flecture.

  3. Abdullah Khalid Sidd Avatar
    Abdullah Khalid Sidd

    Very well written. I agree…

  4. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    great post buddy!

    we all share the same feeling about the issues we have.

    every thing is so messed up that you can't say any thing with certainity.

    may be the reason is that our society is not ready for the sacrifices needed for lessening the difference between the WISH & ACT.

  5. Omar Javaid Avatar

    @ skeptic: These criterion are not the main issue, I think, but the tendency of people to judge others on their basis is the main problem. I my view the problem starts when people start labeling each other as Kafir or Murtids on the basis of these criterion, hence liable to be slaughtered.

    I have seen people and debated with them on this issue, they seem unable to understand the very basic fact i.e. I can only know what is in my heart and you can only know what is in your heart. or Allah knows this. You are no one to judge me neither can i judge you or label you are Kafir etc.

    This problem is not just limited to religious hardliners, nor it is rooted in the training they get in seminaries. This is somewhat cultural or rather more of a natural tendencies of humans to categorize, as this saves mental effort. The same problem holds with those secular extremists who label all pathan looking militants as Talibans. Hence the clash becomes inevitable …

    Maturity is what badly needed …

  6. jami Avatar

    My appologies for misplaced comment.


    When I posted my comment there was no other comment on the blog and I tried to read the first paragraph of the blog and it was beyond my comprehension abilities 🙂 so I posted the comment.

    Skeptic, thanks for posting this long coment. You took out time to cut/paste or type a long but eye-opening comment.


    May Allah save us all from the shirk that we know and from the shirk we don't consider as shirk – Ameeen


    I would appreciate if you could take out my earlier comment as it seems that its directed towards spectic's comment. PLEASE.

  7. skeptic Avatar

    jami aahib,

    you are welcome. And a really really good dua you have shared, one of my favourites.

    your reponse is accedentially there. When I posted my comment it did not appear for a while. I actually thought the post had failed. You posted in the mean time so the sequence is distorted.

    best regards

  8. skeptic Avatar

    Dear Omar Sahib,

    To my understanding you are correct that one cannot know whats in ones heart. From that point of view, one is supposed to judge by what is apparent as in the case of Hazrat Abbas RA in battle of badr. He was captured by the muslims, he pleaded that he was actually a muslim but Rasul Allah pbup said that we judge by the apparent and so he had to be ransomed like the other kuffar prisioners.

    In actuality, the penalty of a Murtad is death which was made so to counter the strategy of the jews in madina to accept islam and the renounce it later so that the common people would believe there was some flaw in it. But you cannot accuse someone of being so unless he blatently demonstrates it. As an example I say I am a muslim. Then I say you have no right to judge me. Then I say, Ok, by the way I am also a prophet of God. Well game over, i have just demonstrated my kufr.

    Similary to deny that salat is farz, or zakat is farz or any other basic tenant makes one a kafir according to all main schools of thought. e.g. so some says well dont need to do hajj now days, or swine is no longer dirty and you can eat it, means you are denying what the Quran say, this is visble kufr.

    Similarly if you look the the four IMAMs of the sunni school of thought, according to Malik, Shafi and Ahmad Bin Hambal, the penalty of defaulting on salat is death. Only Abu Hanifa say its imprisionment and beatings until the person reforms and says his prayers. Again this is based on the apparent, though there is a difference of opinion here.

    However, i have seen cases where a person says I am not an ahamdi, and all people say he is one. This is completely wrong. Even if the person is an ahmadi you give the benefit of the doubt. What is hidden is hidden what is blatently obvious is obvious.

    Another example would be a person who is eating during a fast, that is not kufr. If he actually believe that rozas are old fashioned or a bad idea, then that makes him a kafir, however if he believes it but does not say it aloud, he gets the benefit of the doubt since no one can know why he is breaking his fast. However if he utters it and starts preaching it that makes his kufr apparent.

    Bottom line is this to be a muslim myself, I must ensure that I am not a Mushrik or a Kafir. To do that I need to know what Kufr and Shirk Are, so I can avoid them.

    Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where the boundaries are, and am trying to find these boundaries so I dont overstep them. We are never taught this in school or anywhere else which is the really scary thing. Nor do we bother to ask. Any ways, this is perhaps the most important question each one of us needs to ask ourselves.

    I asked a prominent mufti, that janab, why dont you guys warn us. And he said, no one want to listen (implying thats why they dont tell us).

  9. skeptic Avatar

    This is relevant to my previous post to Omar,

    One Who Ignores His Prayers From Fiqh-us-Sunnah by As- Sayyid S

    One Who Ignores His Prayers

    From Fiqh-us-Sunnah by As- Sayyid Saabiq

    Not praying and denying its obligation is seen as disbelief and places the person outside the religion of Islam. All scholars agree on this point. They base their opinion on several hadith, some of which are:

    Jabir reports that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "Between a person and disbelief is discarding prayer." (Related by Ahmad, Muslim, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmizhi and Ibn Majah.)

    Buraidah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "The pact between us and them is prayer. Whoever abandons it is a disbeliever. (Related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmizhi, anNasa'i and Ibn Majah.)

    'Abdullah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'Aas reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, one day mentioned the prayer and said, "Whoever guards and observes his prayer, they will be a light and a proof and a savior for him on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever does not guard and observe them, they will not be a light or a proof or a savior for him. On the Day of Resurrection, he will be with Qarun, Fir'aun, Haman and Ubayy ibn Khalf." (Related by Ahmad, at-Tabarani and Ibn Hibban. Its chain is excellent.)

    That one who does not pray will be with the leaders of the unbelievers in the Hereafter makes it evident that such a person is an unbeliever. Says Ibn al-Qayyim, "The one who does not pray may be preoccupied with his wealth, kingdom, position or business. If one is kept away from his prayers by his wealth, he will be with Qarun. One whose kingdom keeps him away from the prayers will be with Haman, and one whose business keeps him away from the prayers will be with Ubayy ibn Khalf."

    Says 'Abdullah ibn Shaqiq al-'Aqeely, "The companions of Muhammad, peace be upon him, did not consider the abandonment of any act, with the exception of prayer, as being disbelief.'(Related by at-Tirmizhi and al-Hakim, who said it met al-Bukahri's and Muslim's conditions.)

    Says Muhammad ibn Nasr al-Mirwazi, "I heard Ishaq say, 'It is authentic (that) the Prophet (said or ruled): One who does not pray is an unbeliever." It is from the Prophet himself that one who intentionally does not pray until the time for the prayer is over is an unbeliever."

    Says Ibn Hazm, "It has come from 'Umar, 'Abdurahman ibn 'Auf, Mu'azh ibn Jabal, Abu Hurairah and other companions that anyone who skips one obligatory prayer until its time has finished becomes an apostate. We find no difference of opinion among them on this point." This was mentioned by al-Munzhiri in at-Targheeb wa atTarheeb. Then he comments, "A group of companions and those who came after them believed that an intentional decision to skip one prayer until its time is completely finished makes one an unbeliever. The people of this opinion incude 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas, Mu'azh ibn Jabal, Jabir ibn 'Abdullah and Abu ad-Darda'. Among the non-companions who shared this view were Ibn Hanbal, Ishaq ibn Rahwaih, 'Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak, an-Nakha'i, al-Hakim ibn 'Utaibah, Abu Ayyub as-Sakhtiyani, Abu Dawud at-Tayalisi, Abu Bakr ibn Abu Shaibah, Zuhair ibn Harb, and others.

    Some hadith make it clear that such a person should be killed. For example:

    Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "The ties of Islam and the principles of the religion are three, and whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever, and his blood becomes lawful: testifying that there is no god except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan." (Related by Abu Ya'la with a hassan chain.) Another narration states, "If anyone leaves one of them, by Allah he becomes an unbeliever and no voluntary deeds or recompense will be accepted from him, and his blood and wealth become lawful." This is a clear indication that such a person is to be killed.

    Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)

    Umm Salamah related that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "There will be rulers over you who will do good and evil things. Whoever hates these (latter) acts will be innocent of them. Whoever denies them will be safe, but (not) one who accepts and follows them." They asked, "Should we kill them?" He said, "Not if they pray." (Related by Muslim.) Therefore, he made it unlawful to kill even an unjust ruler who observes his prayers.

    Abu Sa'eed reported that 'Ali, while he was in Yemen, sent the Prophet some gold, which he then divided among four people. A man said, "O Messenger of Allah, beware of Allah." The Prophet said, "Woe to you. Of all the people of the earth, am I not the most dutiful in being aware of Allah?" Khalid ibn al-Walid said, "O Messenger of Allah, shall I kill him?" He said, "Perhaps he is one of those who pray." Khalid said, "How many people say with their tongues what is not in their hearts?" The Prophet said, "I have not been ordered to look into the hearts of people, nor to rip open their bellies." (Abridged from al-Bukhari and Muslim.) In this hadith also, prayer is given as the reason for not killing a person. It is understood, therefore, that not praying would have resulted in the person's killing.

    Even though the preceding hadith clearly rule that one who discards salah becomes an unbeliever and should be killed, many early and later scholars (excluding Abu Hanifah, Malik and ash-Shafi) believe that such people become evildoers who must repent. If such a person does not repent, he is to be killed, that being the prescribed punishment, according to Malik, ash-Shai'i and others. Abu Hanifah maintains that such a person is not to be killed, but must be given a minor punishment and confined until he prays. They say the hadith that calls such people unbelievers refer to those who deny the prayers, and so on. They say that any other interpretation is contradicted by other texts. For example, Allah says, "Lo! Allah does not pardon one who gives Him partners. He pardons all save whom He wills" (an-Nisa' 116). There is also a hadith related by Abu Hurairah and recorded by Ahmad and Muslim in which the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "Every prophet has a special supplication that is answered. Every prophet hastened to make his supplication, but I concealed mine and will use it for my nation on the Day of Resurrection. It will be granted–Allah willing–to whoever dies without associating any partners with Allah." Al-Bukhari also recorded that Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "The person who will be the happiest due to my intercession is the one who says, 'There is no god but Allah' sincerely from his heart."

    Says ash-Shaukani, "The truth of the matter is that he becomes an unbeliever who is to be killed for his unbelief. The hadith authenticates that Islamic law calls one who does not pray an unbeliever. It has also put the performance as the barrier between a believer and an unbeliever. Abandoning prayer means he may be called an unbeliever. We need not concern ourselves with arguments presented by those of the opposing opinion. We can say to them: It is not impossible that some types of unbelievers may obtain forgiveness or may have a right to intercession, such as the unbelief of those who pray to ( our) qiblah. Nevertheless, the fact remains that they commit some sins which the Islamic law views as unbelief. To turn to the other narrow interpretations is just redundant."

  10. Omar Javaid Avatar

    @ Skeptic, Jazakallah Khair for such informative comments.

    Things are too complicated today, One cannot / shouldn't argue with the Hadith, however the issue arrise when we fit some Hadith in to a situation purely on the basis of our judgement.

    Hadith and Quranic verse cannot be wrong, but our judgement can be. and thats what you feel as well, as you said:

    "Unfortunately, I am not quite sure where the boundaries are, and am trying to find these boundaries so I dont overstep them. We are never taught this in school or anywhere else which is the really scary thing. Nor do we bother to ask. Any ways, this is perhaps the most important question each one of us needs to ask ourselves."

    What is the solution, do let me know … omar.javaid(at)

    by the way … Have your heard of Plantonification … ?

    thanks again

  11. Muhammad Asif Avatar
    Muhammad Asif

    You cannot change an extremist by force to change his views. Thats an extremism from your end.

    So where does lie the solution. It lies in providing peace, security & justice from the brutalities of extremists.

    And if you can't then forget to overcome extremism but it will spread more & more with each day passing with injustice, insecurity & violance.

    Its a governance issue, injustice is the food & shelter for extremism.

  12. Omar Javaid Avatar

    Agreed … collateral Damage i.e.

  13. Somair Avatar

    Omer…..very nice article.

  14. Zaki Khalid Avatar


    My cousin texed me from Swat in Makan Bagh area's hospital, that the bodies of extremists were being examined, drs. said they were induced with lots of mind altering drugs and toxins, bluish colored substances…

    Wallahu Aa'lam!

  15. quranist Avatar

    With the collapse of Ja'far Al Sadiq's empire in Iran and Ibn Hanbal's slow demise in Saudi Arabia, the tide is turning and the fictitous sects that emerged during the Abbasid Empire knows as the Sunni and Shia sects and others who follow man made revelations known as hadiths are slowly collapsing. Malik's Empire in Sudan is collapsing and Abu Hanifa's Empire in Pakistan is turning upside down. The so called Islamic states have proven to be ideologically obsolete and in the wrong side of history. The sects are on life support and the Koranist will take over. So who are the Koranist?

    The Koranist believe only the Koran should speak for Islam.


    In comparing the teachings of Islam as derived from the Book of God to the practices taught and enforced by the popular Sunni and Shia faiths (1.2 Bn followers), we find that the list is quite extensive, with some of the highlights as follows:

    In Islam, the requirement to be a Muslim is to simply accept and live according to the �Straight Path� (6:151-153), Vs. the Sunni or Shia 5-pillars which come from unauthorized books�

    In Islam, abolishing Slavery is taught to be an act of righteousness (90:12-13), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which encourages slavery under war�

    In Islam, women are never forbidden from praying or fasting during Menstruation (2:222), nor is there a specific dress code (i.e. the Headscarf) imposed on them beyond modesty, Vs. the Sunni and Shia which teach the undermining of women and forcing them to cover their hair and avoid praying or fasting at certain times…

    In Islam, a man or women may leave a Will, after settlement of debt (4:12), Vs. Sunnis who refuse to accept wills if there are any direct descendants…

    In Islam, Monogamy is the basis for normal relationships, while polygamy is only allowed in cases involving marrying the mothers of orphans under the man�s guardianship (4:3), Vs. Sunnis where a man may be a polygamist simply if he can afford to, and Shia which allow sex for pleasure (Mut�a)…

    In Islam, Divorce is enforceable only after a two-phase period, and it may be made nullified if the couple reconcile before the end of this period (65:1, 65:4), Vs. Sunni teachings that destroy families by allowing a divorce to occur on the spot with no waiting period and no nullification…

    In Islam, Thieves do not have their hands cut-off, but are made to work until they return that which is stolen (12:76), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which brutally amputate the hands causing disability…

    In Islam, no one is allowed to be killed or Stoned for adultery (24:2), Vs. Sunni and Shia laws of stoning married adulterers to death…

    In Islam, absolute Freedom of Faith is allowed (2:256, 10:99; 18:29; 88:21-22), Vs. Sunni and Shia requiring apostates to be killed and rejecting the practice of other faiths…

    In Islam, people are acknowledged as being diverse and each is to be respected for his/her level of spiritual growth. A Submitter �Muslim� must work to attain the status of Faithful �Mumin� (49:14), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings that all followers of their religion must think, act, and even look the same (cult syndrome)…

    In Islam, War can only be declared in cases of self-defence – no offensives (2:190), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings allowing raids and attacks on any people who are considered non-Muslim by their standards…

    In Islam, Pilgrimage is a centre for gathering of nations and for all to witness the benefits of being together (22:27-28), Vs. Sunni and Shia bringing in polytheistic rituals and superstition (touching of black stone, circling 7 times, etc..)…

    In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (17:12, 9:36), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time�

    In Islam, males and females are not required to be Circumcised (32:7), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings requiring all males to be circumcised and females in some cases…

    In Islam, music, statues, gold and silk are all Lawful(7:32-33, 16:116), Vs. Sunni beliefs forbidding silk & gold for men, and forbidding music & statues for all…

    In Islam, rule of Government is under the constitution of the Qur'an through consultation and free-speech (5:48, 42:38). Vs. Sunni teachings which allow the rise of dictators or monarchs, and Shia teachings which uphold self-appointed religious leaders based on genealogy.

    Plus why the Taliban do what they do?

  16. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    the good thing about @quranist is that he do not stay and keep posting. after one post he goes away for months.

    @amir mughal should follow the example.

  17. Ajmal Avatar

    Dr. Jawwad,

    And how strange he comes when Amir Mughal comes :).

    quranist=Amir Mughal, a 3rd grader can figure that out.

    and how similarly Moron he is just like Amir Mughal.

  18. Jahil_on_line Avatar

    Zaki Khalid,

    Why don't you tell the name of your cousin who texed you from Swat….

    Let me tell you, His name is Zaid Hamid Kezzab. According to his theories that Pakistani Talibans are American Agents cum Indian Agents cum Mosad agents, since zaid kezzab can not find a direct proof, now you come with a theory that these people's bodies have mind altering medicines….LOL, LOL…LOL

    Please tell me where this kezzab cooks his theories? GHQ?

  19. quranist Avatar

    Quran is freedom and Quran is peace.

    Real Islam is only Quran. Hadiths are not the teachings of the prophet, they are fabrications that preach violence and intolerance and distort the teachings of the Quran.

    Quran gives complete freedom.

  20. OJ Avatar

    @ Quranist. . . My article describes you as well. Read it again.

  21. Zaki Khalid Avatar

    @Jahil Online

    U are a demented twit, to whom giving a reply is worhtless. They say that to try to explain something to a dog is also as if you are barking, so I won't bother :))

    May Allah Guide You


    You seem like a follower of Rashad Khalifa the cursed. Get lost you opportunist!

    1. misszara Avatar

      Quranists have nothing to do with this guy. We are just muslims like any others and we're only God's followers…

  22. Jahil_on_line Avatar

    Zaki Khalid,

    Lol, you still replied and since you have no basis for your kezzab's theories you started name calling….

    Here is the question again…

    Why don’t you tell the name of your cousin who texed you from Swat….

    Let me tell you, His name is Zaid Hamid Kezzab. According to his theories that Pakistani Talibans are American Agents cum Indian Agents cum Mosad agents, since zaid kezzab can not find a direct proof, now you come with a theory that these people’s bodies have mind altering medicines….LOL, LOL…LOL

    Please tell me where this kezzab cooks his theories? GHQ?

    Zaid Hamid Kezzab wants poor Patriotic Pakistanis to believe him blindly. He cooks up his own fantacies and mixes with some facts.

    Poor Patriotic Pakistanis who have soft corners for Islam in their heart, fall in this trap.

    Zaid Hamid Kezzab is just a pimp of our Corrupt Generals who use the name of Islam and Pakistan to accumulate money in their own Pockets

    Based on Zaid Hamid Kezzab, our Army is to be worshipped and any one (ANY ONE) who opposes Pakistan Army is Indian Agent, RAW agent, Mossad Agent, American Agent

    Go tell Zaid Hamid Kezzab that we DO NOT WORSHIP PAKISTAN ARMY and he can shove up his theories up his A$$

  23. Zaki Khalid Avatar

    Awad bhai kindly get this laantee removed, look at the abuse he's blurting out against islam and patriotic pakistanis…

  24. Omar Javaid Avatar

    The comments, rather an altercation going on, can be quoted as an example against points i intend to establish in the this article,

    a-espistemocracy i.e. or hight of Platonification I would way …

  25. Asim Avatar

    Zaki Khalid,

    …..look at the abuse he’s blurting out against islam and patriotic pakistanis……

    where was the abuse???

  26. Zaki Khalid Avatar

    This is where he has abused. Read his excerpts:

    "Poor Patriotic Pakistanis who have soft corners for Islam in their heart…"

    "According to his theories that Pakistani Talibans are American Agents cum Indian Agents cum Mosad agents.."

    For one, speaking out against patriotic Pakistanis is something atleast no Pakistani would do..

    Secondly, he makes sarcasm that TTP is funded and backed by foreign intell. agencies. Haven't u seen the truth? Didn't you read about the video ISI recorded in secret of Brahamdagh Bugti being received in New Delhi and similarly of Baitullah Mehsud rendezvousing with his masters in Kabul?

    The sole aim of the manhoos commentator whose name "Jahil Online" fits him well, is to re ignite the conspiracy against Mr. Zaid Hamid. What is bad in promoting the ideologies of Iqbal and internal/external threats on mass media? Alhamdulillah, he delivers lectures @ various univs. across Pakistan including NUST, LUMS and see how the youth there admire him. He is a ray of hope, atleast one man's daring enough to voice out the truth.

    Allah Help Us.

    It's a pity instead of supporting a fellow countryman has again sided with a #**#!@ Indian cybertrooper posing as a Pakistani…

  27. Zaki Khalid Avatar

    As for Mr. Jahil, my cousin's name is Athar Hussain, son of Tahir Hussain Cheema. Go verify it. He owned a restaurant in Makan Bagh Swat u despicable slumdog.

    If you really were a bit civilized and if your parents might have taught u notput to be a potty mouth, you would have atleast put forth logical arguments against patriotic Pakistanis and Mr. Zaid Hamid instead of using abusive obscene terms against him. He is our Hero and a ray of hope for us.



  28. Zaki Khalid Avatar



    [Allama Muhammad Iqbal]

    Rise Pakistan.

    I support the Army, the intelligence agencies and all those who stand up against the latest trends of Indian cybertroopers commenting in Pakistani blogs and creating dissent amongst the nationals.


    Awad bhai, I kindly request you again, please remove the obscene language used against Mr. Zaid Hamid. I shall be most grateful.

  29. Asim Avatar

    Zaki Khalid,

    “Poor Patriotic Pakistanis who have soft corners for Islam in their heart…”

    Is this abuse?

    Sorry Zaki Khalid, I don't agree with you. You can say that he abused your leader "zaid hamid", but never in the post he abused Pakistan or Islam.

    Opposing Zaid Hamid does not mean opposing Islam or Pakistan.

  30. Asim Avatar

    Zaki Khalid,

    On a second note, it seems that you want to censure any opposing views to Zaid Hamid?

    Why? is Zaid Hamid a Rusool?

    Love for Pakistan and Islam does not mean that one has to blindly follow every *John Doe* who come on Mass Media and claims his love for Pakistan and Islam.

    And please stop calling every one who opposes you or Zaid Hamid as Indian Cybertrooper.



  31. Asim Avatar

    Zaki Khalid

    So Mehsud has been killed by American Drone, I'm waiting for another cooked-up theory coming from Zaid Hamid.

    I guess American has taken custody of Pakistan's Atomic assets and thus Mehsud was not needed any more.

    or the Real Agents are the ones in Uniforms and their PIMPS aka Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Qureshi.