Its a little old news but I still feel the needed to register my appreciation for the Pakistan Army when on Wednesday they refused entry / expelled / kicked out Mr. No-good Rehman Malik as he went to attend ‘a ceremony’ at the GHQ to pay homage to the army personnel who died during the siege on earlier in the week.
It was also reported in the news that initially the Minister was planning to do a grandiose press conference at the memorial, most probably to gain political mileage out of this tragedy, they proceeded to invite the press for ‘unveiling a plaque bearing the names of the slain military personnel’. But when his team got no response from the Army and the GHQ they were forced to call off the press conference and the plaque unveiling. Leaving Mr. Malik alone, twirling his thumbs ‘without protocol’ while he laid a wreath on the memorial and within three minutes he was whisked away back to the capital
I wish someone would have video recorded the expression on Rehman Malik’s face when he was being given the ‘bloody civilian’ treatment courtesy of the Pakistan Army. Many here, may argue that the Army should have accorded this dignitary with full protocol and at best the Army ‘did wrong’ to snub out at the Minister of Interior – quite possibly, but to be honest in my opinion this two-timing crook and his boss should be expelled out of Pakistan for their continued on going corruption which has literally left Pakistan on the global begging table, negotiating its heart and soul to merely exist – For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country.
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92 responses to “Pakistan Army kicks out Rehman Malik from GHQ”
Although I'm not a real fan of GHQ, but applaud this act…
Kudos…
I hope rest of the people of Pakistan would kick this sorry a$$ and his boss and other cronies in the parliament out of Pakistan FOREVER.
This is something we shouldn't be proud of.
By the constitution of Pakistan Military works under civilian government. And Rehman Malik is the federal minister for interior. This treatment of Army is not acceptable at all. Army clearly let down both president and prime minister by not allowing him to enter, if simply because of the fact that he was not important to them.
Army should stay in its limits. It is a disciplined institution and should set an example and on the contrary they cross the line all the time and we "the naive common citizens" are always chanting slogans, long live army.
Why are we not questioning how did the terrorist manage to get in and hostage the highest military men inside the GHQ?
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA WHO WAS MADE HOSTAGE INSIDE THE GHQ? YOU WILL BE SHOCKED IF YOU'D KNOW.
Why official notification informing GHQ by IG punjab was ignored which clearly stated that armed terrorist in army uniform will attack GHQ?
I am not defending Rehman Malik. If he is incapable, American agent or not competent enough to visit GHQ, he shouldn't have been on the post of federal interior minister in the first place.
Why our army only reacts when it comes to their institution? and not something goes really wrong in other areas?
Musharraf sacked 3 most influential general highest in the hierarchy of army at that time in one go, on the orders or Americans and nobody made any noise, agitated, and if NS sacked Musharraf after Karamat, though by law he has the authority, toppling his government by Musharraf became justified?
Mush kept quite though he knew everything which he declared as a reason to topple NS government but he didn't react and did military coup till the time it came to him and he was sacked
Stop treating army like a sacred cow, they are the last resort but so far they have their fare share in the mess we have around? If Rehman Malik is incompetent, Hussain Huqqani behaving like American ambassador in Pakistan Embassy of US, why they highest post men in army are silent about it and don't they have the capacity and power to correct the government when something goes wrong?
But they only act when it comes to their institution and that is what we need to understand. It is time to question our army and stop treating them like a sacred cow. Think logically
Let me clarify neither i am a fan of Rehman M, Zardari and his cronies, Nawaz & the gang or anyone else.
And for Rehman Malik any day i can debate that he is the most incompetent man for the job so please don't bother to ask me questions about why am i defending politician.
My sole purpose is constitution is supreme, if today we let Army abuse their powers tomorrow some individuals will abuse army and laugh at all of us and than we will not have any right to question them. So let the institutions be independent and work under constitution.
arey rana saheb kee rolaa paey-gia?
kiaa aap nai Pakistan Army kee ibadat karnaa chordee hai?
kal tak to aap inkey kaley kamon per inko salam kar rahey they?
ya sirf aapko maza jab ataa hai jab zaleel honey waley, lambee lambee darhee waley hotey hain?
My comments are on my blog. Does that "URI" thing take you there?
@Rana > as much as I do not want the military rulers running our country – I, nor the millions of Pakistans can stomach the fact that these corrupt leaders are allowed to waltz in making minced meat from our Pakistani people all for their own gains.
If you hadn't noticed it was reported in DAWN that Rehman Malik wanted to make this visit to GHQ a public PR stunt for the press plaque shlaque in memory of the dead – it is sadly at this persons hand (Rehman Malik) that he has had the galls to stand up after every tragic bomb blast and say with a poker face. We knew of the threat, and we will investigate. Investigate my ass – they havent been able to lift a finger on their sisters assassination (BB), let alone worry about when other civilians go to the grave yard.
On the sake of all the innocent lives lost due to his incompetence I have even more zero tolerance for a nin-comp-poop who along with his boss should have been locked away forever
I understand your concern that the Army should not sub-verse the civilian govt – but by golly, is this a really a 'civil' govt?
Im just to irritated at not being able to do anything – while our people continue to starve to death, it is being said that had if the mammoth high levels of corruption not been present Sugar mills and what not – the saving from those corrupt scams would have been enough to ride Pakistan through without the need for the KLB. Could be a litte too optimistic of a statement, but I can 'feel' the desperate need to cut through this corrupt society and embark on a path to rejuvenate our Pakistan into normal existence
My post has been an outburst, and it still does bring a smile on my face to have had the pleasure to know that someone had the balls to smack this idiot across teh face. These are small emotional victories that make us live to the next day, else we generally are left to tweeting about the BREAKING NEWS: Bomb blast – so many dead
I pray to God that we have had enough, I hope he can start sharing some mercy on our nation. For now we are solidly at the mercy of these goons both civilian and the military.
You know the quote about God not helping anyone that doesn't work to change their condition? Our condition is to be stuck in a cycle. And if we want to change that, then we have to start standing up for the principles and changes we want to happen, and not just enjoying the small pleasures like a hopeless prisoner taking pleasure in poking his jailer in the eye every once in a while. And in the process of that, as I keep telling any American that will listen, you will have to deal with people you don't like and who hate you.
Well the treatment of Army with Mr. Rehman Malik is not good constitutionally and sentimentally it excites the Nation to some extent, especially to those who don't want to play any role in the National development, rather they want to remain dreaming for Good.
If current government is not capable, what we all are doing at home, watching TV, doing everything except participate into the fight against the problems, our country is facing Today. Unless we get some time to do something practically, we should not criticize others, who do also nothing for us and why should anybody when I don't want to do anything for myself?
I request my brothers and sisters, let us leave the easy way of "only" criticism and realize our duties towards "our Nation" which is our "homeland", not only sentimentally, but wisely.
Though i hate Rhman malink
but he is Minster of representative government n we should never support fascist army ct o doing this to a minster of elected government
Alvi Sahib,
"Im just to irritated at not being able to do anything – while our people continue to starve to death"
Did you consider running for Political office in next election ? Perhaps that way you can help Pakistan.
Thanks,
-Shiraz
and yet so many of u hate the army atleast some pride is better than nothing.
This is something we shouldn’t be proud of. [Rana]
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Yes agreed because this blog used to support Rule of Law and used to be against Military Dictatorship. If you hail this act then don't complain when Foreign Powers mistreat our Military Leaders, remember when US Officials frisk many serving Generals at the airports when they used to be on a tour with Musharraf!!!
These sentiments may not be taken as a support for Rehman Malik.
THE VANISHED ARROGANCE OF THE GENERALS AFTER 9/11.
In the afternoon, Mahmood was invited to CIA headquarters at Langley, Virginia, where he told George Tenet, the CIA director, that in his view Mullah Omar, the Taliban chief, was a religious man with humanitarian instincts and not a man of violence! This was a bit difficult for the CIA officials to digest and rightly so as the Taliban’s track record, especially in the realm of human rights, was no secret. General Mahmood was told politely but firmly that Mullah Omar and the Taliban would have to face US Military might if Osama Bin Laden along with other Al-Qaeda leaders were not handed over without delay. To send the message across clearly, Richard Armitage held a second meeting with Mahmood the same day, informing him that he would soon be handed specific American demands, to which Mahmood reiterated that Pakistan would cooperate. {Bush at War by Bob Woodward, published by Simon & Schuster, 2002, New York}, p 32. {Pakistan: Eye of the Storm by Owen Bennett Jones, published by New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 2002}, p. 2.
General Mahmood on September 13, 2001, was handed a formal list of the US demands by Mr. Armitage and was asked to convey these to Musharraf and was also duly informed, for the sake of emphasis, that these were “not negotiable.” Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, and the assisstant secretary of state, Christina Rocca, had drafted the list in the shape of a “non-paper”. It categorically asked Pakistan:
Stop Al-Qaeda operatives coming from Afghanistan to Pakistan, intercept arms shipments through Pakistan, and end ALL logistical support for Osama Bin Laden.
Give blanket overflight and landing rights to US aircraft.
Give the US access to Pakistani Naval and Air Bases and to the border areas betweeen Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Turn over all the intelligence and immigration information.
Condemn the September 11 attacks and curb all domestic expressions of support for terrorism.
Cut off all shipments of fuel to the Talibans, and stop Pakistani volunteers from going into Afghanistan to join the Taliban. Note that, should the evidence strongly implicate Osama Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan, and should the Taliban continue to harbour him and his accomplices, Pakistan will break diplomatic relations with the Taliban regime, end support for the Taliban, and assist the US in the aforementioned ways to destroy Osama and his network.
Having gone through the list, Mahmood declared that he was quite clear on the subject and that “he knew how the President thought, and the President would accept these points.” {Bush at War by Bob Woodward, published by Simon & Schuster, 2002, New York}, p 58-59. Interview: Richard Armitage, “Campaign Against Terror,” PBS (Frontline), April 19, 2002}
Mahmood then faxed the document to Musharraf. While the latter was going through it and in the process of weighing the pros and cons of each demand, his aide de camp that Colin Powell was on the line. Musharraf liked and respected Powell, and the conversation was not going to be a problem. He told him that he understood and appreciated the US position, but he would respond to the US demands after having discussed these with his associates. Powell was far too polite to remind him that he in fact was the government, but did inform him that his General in Washington had already assured them that these demands would be acceptable to the government of Pakistan. {Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism : Allah, the Army, and America’s War on Terror by Hassan Abbas, published by An East Gate Book , M.E. Sharpe Armonk, New York. London, England.}.
his is something we shouldn’t be proud of. By the constitution of Pakistan Military works under civilian government. And Rehman Malik is the federal minister for interior. This treatment of Army is not acceptable at all. [Rana]
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Army usually pissed in their pants when confronted with the Americans.
There wont be a single word from me, I will just quote Daily Newspapers of Pakistan.
A Glimpse of General Musharraf's Military Government when the US President George W Bush visited Pakistan as per National Dailies of Pakistan
Covering the Bush visit By Qudssia Akhlaque
March 8, 2006 Wednesday Safar 7, 1427
http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/08/fea.htm#1
ISLAMABAD: US President George W. Bush’s 26-hour visit to Pakistan was marked by a thick veil of secrecy and security. Throughout his stay a tense calm prevailed in the capital with the country’s entire security apparatus, civilian and military, mobilised in top gear. Added to this was the battalion of American security personnel that created their own sophisticated security web at all sensitive points from Chaklala airbase to the Aiwan-i-Sadr to the US embassy.
For the Pakistani media it was a long wait for Bush’s arrival at Chaklala that looked more like a US military base with Americans all over the place. Their large presence made Pakistani citizens feel like aliens. We were even frisked for security clearance by Americans in the open air. Also, one saw a shocking display of what one had hitherto heard of branded as American arrogance and insolence. Chewing-gum-chomping US security men barged in and out of the arrival lounge, as if walking into their private workspace. Even the daunting American sniffer dogs, with high-ranking titles like Sergeant and Major, specially flown in from Washington, felt quite at home. The usually all-pervasive Pakistani military men at the airbase were pushed into the backseat by the US security team headed by a highly-charged man called Mark.
Terse exchanges were also witnessed between the US security head and Pakistani military officers present there. On seeing a 35-member Pakistani media team arrive in a coaster at the airbase, four hours ahead of Bush’s arrival, Mark told the ISPR officer accompanying them: “I don’t need this bunch of people.” It was only after a little argument that the team was ‘allowed’ in.
This is something we shouldn’t be proud of. By the constitution of Pakistan Military works under civilian government. [Rana]
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Under the Pakistan Army
Covering the Bush visit By Qudssia Akhlaque
March 8, 2006 Wednesday Safar 7, 1427
For the Pakistani media it was a long wait for Bush’s arrival at Chaklala that looked more like a US military base with Americans all over the place. Their large presence made Pakistani citizens feel like aliens. We were even frisked for security clearance by Americans in the open air. Also, one saw a shocking display of what one had hitherto heard of branded as American arrogance and insolence. Chewing-gum-chomping US security men barged in and out of the arrival lounge, as if walking into their private workspace. Even the daunting American sniffer dogs, with high-ranking titles like Sergeant and Major, specially flown in from Washington, felt quite at home. The usually all-pervasive Pakistani military men at the airbase were pushed into the backseat by the US security team headed by a highly-charged man called Mark.
Stop treating army like a sacred cow, they are the last resort but so far they have their fare share in the mess we have around? [Rana]
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Once and Always a Colonial Army March 26, 2004 By Faheem Hussain [For ZMAG]
The propensity to serve its imperial masters is deep rooted, one could even say it is genetic, in the Pakistan Army. This essential nature of our armed forces goes back to its foundation as a colonial army under the British with the old Indian Army serving as cannon fodder in the various imperial wars of the 19th and 20th centuries. Recall the inglorious role of our own regiments in Iraq and Arabia in the early years of the 20th century. This tradition was continued with the complete alignment with US policies, during the Cold War, of our military and political leaders. Our Army is ready to do the dirty work whenever it is called upon, like for example against the PLO in Jordan in 1970. One must stress that this deep sickness is not just of the military but it pervades our English-speaking ruling political class.
These thoughts occurred to me, from afar, looking at the horrible pictures of blindfolded white-bearded old men, in chappals (sandals), being pushed and dragged into Army jeeps in South Waziristan, with captions like "captured terrorists" "Al-Qaeda suspects". Women and children are killed in indiscriminate bombing, our own kith and kin being killed by our so-called defenders who excuse themselves by talking about collateral damage. Helicopter gunships are being used to bomb villages just as the Russians did in Afghanistan, the Israelis do in Palestine and the US in Iraq.
Are these the models that our so-called glorious Army follows in killing its own people? We are very quick at learning the worst aspects of behaviour from our masters. We know that the United States is violating all international norms and is behaving like the barbaric country it is. Do we have to descend to the same level of barbarity? Do we have to be as uncivilised as them? Does not the Army feel disgusted with the way they are treating prisoners, their own countrymen, violating all rules of treatment of prisoners of war? Why is there not a wave of disgust and horror in Pakistan about this? But maybe I should not be surprised. I should not expect better from our Army as it has always been a brutal colonial army whose real purpose of existence has been to suppress its own people. Have they ever defended us? How many lost wars?
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, .[Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Dr Awab,
I hope you remember this!
The ordeal of Mullah Zaeef – By Ayaz Amir – Dawn September 22, 2006
WE know, to our lasting shame, how our overlords, dazzled by American power, and afraid of God knows what, handed over the ex-Taliban ambassador, Mullah Abdus Salam Zaeef, to the Americans in January 2002 — in violation of every last comma of international law.
On the morning of January 2, 2002, three officials of a secret agency arrived at Zaeef’s house in Islamabad with this message: “Your Excellency, you are no more excellency.” One of them said, no one can resist American power, or words to that effect. “America wants to question you. We are going to hand you over to the Americans so that their purpose is served and Pakistan is saved from a big danger.”
Zaeef could have been forgiven for feeling stunned. From the “guardians of Islam” this was the last thing that he expected, that for the sake of a few “coins” (his words) he would be delivered as a “gift” to the Americans.
Under heavy escort he was taken to Peshawar, kept there for a few days and then pushed into his nightmare. Blindfolded and handcuffed, he was driven to a place where a helicopter was waiting, its engines running. Someone said, “Khuda hafiz” (God preserve you).
There were some people speaking in English. “Suddenly I was pounced upon and flung on the ground, kicked and pummelled from all sides. So sudden was the attack that I was dumbfounded… My blindfold slipping, I saw a line of Pakistani soldiers to one side and some vehicles including one with a flag…My clothes were stripped from my body and I was naked but ‘my former friends’ kept watching the spectacle. The locks on their lips I can never forget… The (Pakistani) officers present there could at least have said he is our guest, in our presence don’t treat him like this. Even in my grave I will not be able to forget that scene.”
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Dr Awab Sahab,
As per your own blog!
Military Inc.: Banned in Pakistan Posted by Teeth Maestro June 1, 2007
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/06/01/military-inc-…
Book shines light on Pakistan military's '£10bn empire'
· Business interests range from cement to cornflakes
· Little transparency into officer-led conglomerates
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/31/books…
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, .[Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Alwvi Sahab,
If you are so proud on for Pakistan Army then would you define the the purpose to discuss the issue on your own blog two years back. Rehman Malik was nowhere near in those days.
Dr Safdar Sarki – The ‘Disappeared’ have again Disappeared
Posted by Teeth MaestroDecember 14, 2007
Missing Pakistani – Dr. Afia Siddiqui – Prisoner 650 Posted by Teeth Maestro July 30, 2008
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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Book shines light on Pakistan military's '£10bn empire'
· Business interests range from cement to cornflakes
· Little transparency into officer-led conglomerates
Declan Walsh in Islamabad The Guardian, Thursday 31 May 2007
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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Over 4,000 soldiers killed in Kargil
Nawaz Sharif: "Kargil Was A Mistake"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwZaDx2OI74
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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No offence but was it Rehman Malik [bloody civilian] or Khakis who made a mess out of A Q KHAN ISSUE:
Teeth Maestro:
Is Dr. A Q Khan a thief? Posted by Zubair_Ahmed June 15, 2008
I still feel the needed to register my appreciation for the Pakistan Army when on Wednesday they refused entry / expelled / kicked out Mr. No-good Rehman Malik For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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Yahya was killing Bengalis when Nixon ordered US State Deptt to not to bother Yahya, as per US Document.
Declassified US Govt Paper, Watch the Picture, read the instructions and draw your own conclusions:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vW1GG83Zr1U/SaqZw-xJxHI…
Richard Nixon and General Yahya before the Fall of Dhaka i.e. Pakistani Military Surrender to India in 1971.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vW1GG83Zr1U/SaqZeMBRHSI…
Handwritten note from President Richard M. Nixon on an April 28, 1971, National Security Council decision paper: “To all hands. Don’t squeeze Yahya at this time – RMN”
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB79/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB79/BEBB…
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD,. [Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Awab Sahab,
Did the picture and text below proud you or not???
Islamic militancy is a foreign policy tool of the US and
Pakistani establishments Download this article By Yousuf Nazar
http://www.yousufnazar.com/?p=777
Admiral Mike Mullen (first from left), the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Pakistani Army Chief Gen. Pervez Kayani (third from the left) and next to him, the ISI Chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha (then Major. Gen. and Director General Military Operations) aboard the US naval carrier Abraham Lincoln in Indian Ocean; in a secret meeting on August 26, 2008. Pasha was promoted to the rank of Lt. Gen. and appointed as the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence on Sept. 29, 2008. –
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Awab Sahab,
Do you have any idea that if the trial is started who would be in Court's stand under Tial. Musharraf didn't fire a single bullet on Bugti!!! If any case is registered in future against Musharraf for the Lal Mosque then please tell me who was ISI Chief.
Bugti murder case lodged against Musharraf
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=89013
Instead of Operation against Mullah the Army should just give Aslam Beg, Hamid Gul, Asad Durrani, Naseerullah Babar, General Mehmood, General Aziz, and their immediate subordinates sound thrashing of "CHITHAR" and believe me there will be complete peace in Pakistan. They are the guilty party to put Pakistan and Afghanistan and their innocent people in the present mess.
Its a little old news but I still feel the needed to register my appreciation for the Pakistan Army when on Wednesday they refused entry / expelled / kicked out Mr. No-good Rehman Malik For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, would others have the courage to stand up against the corrupt that run our country. [Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Awab Sahab,
The Army had got many opportunities since 1947 to "get rid" of "Corrupt Bloody Civilians" – 1958 – 1969, 1969 – 1971, 1977 – 1988, 1999 – 2008 but what they did they created politician of vested interests to legitimize Army's Unlawful Rule. Musharraf's Military Regime had got the opportunity [of course with the help of legal brains like Sharifuddin Prirzada and Ather Minallah in their cabinet] but Military instead of conducting Across the Board Accountability as prescribed by Musharraf's 17 Oct 1999 Speech, got indulged in creating PML-Q AND PPP Patriots consisting upon the most corrupt members of their former parties PML-N, AND PPP [your blog has recently discussed an issue raised by one such turnocat Fasial Saleh Hayat] to legitimize once again the Illegal Act of Army.
The same RM and his boss starts war against "terrorists" then you clap otherwise you frown. Why is that?
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, [Teeth Maestro]
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Bullying ‘bloody civilians’ By Kamran Shafi Tuesday, 13 Oct, 2009
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
I have read the complete text of the Kerry-Lugar Bill four times. I find nothing in it that impinges on Pakistan’s sovereignty, which went out the window with the Pakistan Army’s first steps towards forming a symbiotic, but completely inferior, relationship with the United States military.
I give below verbatim (parenthesis mine) an exact copy, but slightly abbreviated, of a Top Secret but now declassified (vide NND 959417 14/1/93) letter written by Gen Mohammad Ayub Khan, C-in-C of the Pakistan Army, to Admiral Arthur Radford, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, Pentagon [sic], Washington D.C. (Please read at
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/ayubkhan27…
‘General Headquarters
Rawalpindi
[Pakistan]
27th Sep ‘55.
D.O. No. 7/36/C-in-C.
My dear Admiral Radford,
Considering that you have been such a good friend, I thought you would be interested to know how the affairs of military aid stand looked at from our angle … which to say the least is gloomy.
For now I would boldly stand to say PAKISTAN ARMY YOU DID US PROUD, [Teeth Maestro]
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Dear Dr Awab Sahab,
An entry of your own blog! Was your protest against Military Dictatorship, Musharraf Specific only?
Baluchi women in military torture cells, sexual slavery, Musharraf accused Posted by Teeth Maestro January 24, 2009
I have gone through all the viewers comment on Rehman Malik who was not allowed to enter GHQ.Some body said he is an Interior Minister of the civil govt, and army must have given him respect.My dear all brothers this country doesn't deserve to be a democrative country unless and until all these corrupt politicians,bureucrats,mullahs and some Rtd Generals are not finished, because again and again same faces contest elections and after buying the votes entered the assemblies.Although there is no political party in the country who can proclaim to be sincere & honest with this country, but PPP has broken its all corruption records in the country.Bhutto started breaking Pakistan 1971, and due to Bhutto East Pakistan become Bungladesh, Benazeer in her two times tenore was kicked out due to corruption, in which her husband Zardari played the major role. I feel pity on this nation, once again blindly they cast their votes to this party and by gaining 9% votes and making fool to PML"N" once again the illiterate & uneducated workers elected this man as President of Pakistan. He gathered all disfame people from his party and posted them on very responsible & sensitive posts,f.e Rehman Malik as interior minister,Farooq Naik as law minister/chairman parliament,Haqqani as Ambassador in Usa, Shamsul Wajid High Commissioner UK,Raja Pervez Ashraf as Electric & power minister,Kaira as information minister,Salman Taseer as Governor Punjab,Shauket as finance minister etc etc. If one can go deeply and watch and see the activities of all these people he will not at all feel doubt to believe that they are not at all capable to deserve these posts. How ever if the eleceted govt do his job sincerely & honestly the Army will never dare to interfer in their affairs. This time from the first day Army Chief declared that Army will not interefer in civil affairs. The elected politicians solve problems their selves.The present govt took advantage of Army Chief's words and played their dirty roles as usual. The army who has taken oath to save the country from internal & external enemies. Now they have decided to save the country from these traitors. I think army has made the right decision not to allow interior minister in GHQ, which is a very sensitive area where untrustworthy & doubtful peoples are not allowed.These are the present politicians who are deceiving this country by leaking the secrets of the country before the enemies.When army chief was attending the meeting in GHQ, how such top secret information was leaked out before these terrorists, who tried to make hostage such a big authority, definitely some one must have feeded this information to them, by getting some commission & kick back from them. Now it is the duty of the Army to take action against these internal & external terrorists who wanted to destroy this country. It is the moral duty of every Pakistani to strenghten the hands of our Pak Army and tried to discard all these culprits who are not sincere & faithful to this country.
Haqqani as Ambassador in Usa [Raza M.Qureshi]
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Dear Raza Sahab,
What we all reading/watching/listening about Hussain Haqqani [I am no fan of him] is basically half truth and that to through Shaheen Sehbai – Editor The News International, basically it is a Personal Feud which has been turned into a National Issue of Kerry Lugar Bill, read the background:
About Shaheen Sehbai [he is angry because he demanded the Diplomatic Position and was refused]. He is filing reprts after reports against Hussain Haqqani in The News International whereas the same Hussain Haqqani [Pakistan's Ambassador in USA] and Wajid Shamsul Hassan [Pakistan High Commission in UK] and many others used to be the regular contributor for his Internet Magazine South Asia Tribune [based in USA], Mr Sehbai often activate deactivate his deceptive internet magazine as per his interests. Read Hussain Haqqani in SATRIBUNE. The other day General Hamid Gul while talking to Sajjad Mir on NEWS ONE condemned Hussain Haqqani while quoting Shaheen Sehbai’s Story published in the The News International whereas the same Shaheen Sehbai was the one who published the review on Hussain Haqqani’s Book. Read complete background of Shaheen Sehbai’s myesterious escpae from Pakistan under Musharraf to attain Exile in USA and his return back to Pakistan under the same Musharraf.
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The Deceptive Cloak of Musharraf’s Enlightened Moderation WASHINGTON DC, June 15, 2005 | ISSN: 1684-2057 | By Husain Haqqani
In Pakistan Its Not Rule of Law But Law of the Ruler That Matters By Husain Haqqani WASHINGTON DC, July 13, 2005 | ISSN: 1684-2057 |
London Bombings and Pakistani Connection: A Pakistani View By Husain Haqqani WASHINGTON DC, July 20, 2005 | ISSN: 1684-2057 |
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Everyone have strong reservation on the acts and omissions (political) by very few bad individuals in ISI, in the past. But, whole institution cannot be condemned.
Now what Shaheen Sehbai did, he gave a detailed interview (while in Washington to save his skin) to one Shobha John and that interview published in Times of India dated March 18, 2002, in which he narrated and offered a painted picture of oppression and harassment by ISI people.
Minor example as to how CIA and other agencies use Journalists even Senior Correspondents like Shaheen Sehbai. Brigadier Imtiaz used to hate him when Imtiaz was NUMBER 2 IN ISI and Number 1 in IB. But same Shaheen Sehbai, Ansar Abbasi, Rauf Klasra and GEO TV give this Rascal much more importance than Imtiaz deserved.
Mr. Shaheen Shebai [Former Correspondent of Daily Dawn Pakistan, Former Editor of The News International, Ex Director News of ARY ONE TV Channel, Former Director of GEO News Network, and presently on of the many Editors of The News International, Jang Group of Newspapers, Pakistan] I hope you remember the background of Mr Shahin Sehbai [One of the Editor of The News International and earlier he was in Dawn], he had escaped from Pakistan [to save himself from the wrath of the Establishment headed by General Musharraf and Co particularly after the Controversy of Shaheen Sehbai's Story on the Murder of Daniel Pearl after the start of War on Terror] and Mr Shaheen used to run a Web Based News Service i.e. South Asia Tribune but suddenly Mr Shaheen Sehbai reappeared and closed his website [whereas Mr Shaheen during his self imposed exile in USA used to raise hue and cry against the Military Establishment that he and his family member's life is in danger] he returned to Pakistan and that too under the same Martial Law of General Musharraf and joined ARY TV Channel then GEO and then The News International [where he is presently working].
Same Shaheen Sehbai
THE ENEMY WITHIN – Peril in Pakistan Don’t be fooled by Musharraf’s nice-guy pose. By SHAHEEN SEHBAI Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:01 A.M. EST [Wall Street Journal]
The primary instrument of change in achieving this devil’s pact is Gen. Musharraf’s recasting of the ISI as a more docile institution, ostensibly purged of Islamist hard-liners and Taliban sympathizers. But buyers beware.
Over 20 years ago, another military dictator, Gen. Zia ul-Haq, created the first reign of the ISI when he empowered the agency to run a different war in Afghanistan–the one against the Soviets. Billions of American taxpayer dollars and weapons of every imaginable type flowed through the ISI into mujahedeen hands–while the U.S. government looked the other way as Zia built Pakistan’s nuclear capacity, trained Islamic militants and inculcated radical Islam into the barracks and the schools. Rogue terrorist armies were born and no one paid attention.
In 1985, under an absolutist formula for controlling press dissension, Zia tried to patch together political legitimacy at home under farcical nonparty elections, and by handpicking his parliament and prime minister. An August 1988 plane crash that killed Zia left a power vacuum filled by out-of-control intelligence outfits. The birth of America’s present-day nemeses, the Taliban and al Qaeda, were–in the eyes of the all-powerful Islamist generals–the ISI’s most important contributions to Pakistani national security after the bomb.
Another intelligence disaster now looms. Its similarities to the Zia days are remarkable. Gen. Musharraf, the military dictator of the day, is the new darling of the West fighting the new enemy in Afghanistan. Billions of American taxpayer dollars are again set to flow. A beautiful facade has been crafted for external consumption, on everything from press freedoms and elections to a corruption-free economy and an Islamist-free state. The reality is harshly different.
Shaheen Sehbai in 2002 [but why exile in a country who were the backers of Musharraf Regime and why and how Shaheen Sehbai turned up in Pakistan in under the same Musharraf]
Exile in Virginia
“If you expose corruption, you pay,” said Sehbai, who now lives in self-imposed exile in Virginia and publishes the crusading South Asia Tribune on the Internet.
He said police are harassing relatives he left behind, including several who have been jailed for questioning on what Sehbai insists is a trumped-up charge that he robbed his former brother-in-law’s house at gunpoint. A cousin’s 18-year-old son has been in jail since late August without charge. Qureshi, Musharraf’s spokesman, insisted that police are acting independently in a criminal investigation.
Sehbai fled Pakistan with his wife and four children in February, after publishing a story that said Ahmad Omar Saeed Sheikh, convicted in the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, had admitted links to Pakistan’s Inter-ServiceIntelligence agency. Sehbai said he was urged to apologize to the ISI’s political and media chief, Maj. Gen. Ehtasham Zamir. But he refused.
This time from the first day Army Chief declared that Army will not interefer in civil affairs. The elected politicians solve problems their selves.The present govt took advantage of Army Chief’s words and played their dirty roles as usual. The army who has taken oath to save the country from internal & external enemies. Now they have decided to save the country from these traitors[Raza M.Qureshi]
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Dear Raza Sahab,
Saving the country like this?
Chapter 1
The Moral Aspect
Introductory
In Chapter I of Part V of the Main Report, we have dealt at some length with the moral aspect of the causes of our defeat in the 1971 War. This became necessary in view of the vehement assertions made before the Commission by a large number of respectable witnesses drawn from various sections of society, including highly placed and responsible Service Officers, to the effect that due to corruption arising out of the performance of Martial Law duties, lust for wine and women and greed for lands and houses, a large number of senior Army Officers, particularly those occupying the highest positions, had not only lost the will to fight but also the professional competence necessary for taking the vital and critical decisions demanded of them for the successful prosecution of the war. It was asserted by these witnesses that men given to a disreputable way of life could hardly be expected to lead the Pakistan Army to victory.
Excerpts from Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report [Published in all the National Dailies of Pakistan in 2000 published due to its publication in an Indian Magazine !!! so much for the State Secrets and so-called National Security.
Question is, if Bhutto was involved in the Fall then why didn't General Zia tried Bhutto for Treason???
Question 2 if Benazir Bhutto was sacked in 1990 by Aslam Beg and Ghulam Ishaq Khan then why did the same Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Military tolerated Asif Ali Zardari as a Caretaker Federal Minister in 1993???
Raza Sahab,
Read some history before misquoting the facts
The army who has taken oath to save the country from internal & external enemies. Now they have decided to save the country from these traitors[Raza M.Qureshi]
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Dear Raza Sahab,
I don't where were you during General Zia's Tenure but I was in my senses and I know and still remember those traumatic events when Ethnic Parties Promoted in Sindh by General Zia by freeing the genie of Ethnic Hate from bottle to save his Martial Law Regime. I know how people of different ethnic backgrounds living side by side from years were ruined by this machination of General Zia. So much for saving the country from internal enemies what to talk of external. Read about 1965 War before commenting about saving the country from external enemies.
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One of the reason of the defeat in 1965 War was the replacement of command a of 12 th Division from a Prefessional Quadiani Major General Akhter Hussain Malik to a Non-Professional and Incompetent Major General i.e. Agha Mohammad Yahya Khan by General Ayub Khan. Operation which General Malik was conducting known as Operation Grand Slam.
Late Altaf Gauhar had written about the Incompetence of ISI during 1965 War!Article by Altaf Gauhar: "How Intelligence Agencies Run Our Politics" Islamabad The Nation in English 17 Aug 97 p 4.
Since Ayub Khan was reluctant to increase the military budget, neither the ISI nor the MI could post their officers in the districts and because of that limitation their domestic activities remained quite restrained. But they continued to be assigned specific duties to keep a watch on 'undesirable' politicians and civil servants. When I came to theMinistry of Information and Broadcasting, I found a psychological warfare unit under operation in the office of the Secretary. It was, headed by Col Mujibur Rahman, who later became the Secretary of the Ministry in the Ziaul Haq regime. Was it an intelligence plant meant to keep an eye on the working of the civil government? Whatever its purpose, I found it a complete waste of time and I was able to persuade the President to have it recalled by the GHQ.
The President used to receive regular reports on the political situation in the country from the ISI and the MI. These reports in sealed envelopes marked 'Eyes Only' were usually handed over to the President by the C-in-C. On a few occasions the President gave me these reports and it seemed to me that the agencies were keeping the politicians, particularly the East Pakistanis, under close surveillance. I rarely found anything insightful in these reports. The DIB had direct access to the President and his weekly reports used to be fairly exhaustive.
It was during the presidential election in l964 that the ISI and the MI became extremely active.. While the DIB gave the President a detailed, assessment of his prospects in the election the ISI and the MI kept him informed of the trend of public opinion based largely on gossip.The election results showed that the three agencies had seriously underestimated the popularity of Mohtrama Miss Fatima Jinnah and given Ayub Khan too optimistic a picture of his prospects. The crisis of intelligence came during the 1965 war. Brigadier Riaz was good enough to show me his set-up, an impressive affair judging by the sophisticated equipment and the operators at work. He told me that he had contacts inside the Occupied Kashmir and in other major Indian cities. "I will flood you with news. Don't worry". When the war started there was a complete blackout of news from all the intellience agencies.
When I got nothing out of the ISI for two days I went to Brigadier Riaz only to learn that all his contacts had gone underground. The performance of the MI was even more frustrating. The mobile transmitter which the MI had acquired to broadcast the Voice of Kashmir conked out and Brigadier Irshad came to me to find him a spare transmitter. When I told him that it would take at least a month to import another transmitter he pleaded with me to take over the broadcast part of the operation. "How can I do that Iknow nothing about the operation?" I protested. "But that is the beauty of it." said Irshad, "even I know very little about it." It did not take the Indians long to extract the whole operational plan out of the 'infiltrators' whom they captured the moment they entered the Indian occupied territory in Kashmir. Four of them were put on All India Radio to make a public confession. I heard the details of the operation on the air in utter disbelief. I rushed to Muzaffarabad to acquaint Irshad with what I had heard. He fell back in his chair and moaned: "The bastards have spilt the beans."
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Nur Khan reminisces ’65 war By Our Special Correspondent
September 6, 2005 Tuesday DAWN
ISLAMABAD, Sept 5: Air Marshal (retired) Nur Khan, the man who led the airforce achieve complete superiority over the three times bigger Indian airforce on the very first day of the 1965 war, had all but resigned the post the very day that he took command of Pakistan Air Force on July 23, 1965.
“Rumours about an impending operation were rife but the army had not shared the plans with other forces,” Air Marshal Nur Khan said. Sharing his memoirs with Dawn on the 40th anniversary of 1965 war, Air Marshal Khan said that he was the most disturbed man on the day, instead of feeling proud.
Air Marshal (retired) Asghar Khan while handing over the command to Nur Khan had not briefed him about any impending war because he was not aware of it himself. So, in order to double check, Nur Khan called on the then Commander-in-Chief, General Musa Khan.
Under his searching questions Gen Musa wilted and with a sheepish smile admitted that something was afoot. Nur Khan’s immediate reaction was that this would mean war. But, Gen Musa said you need not to worry as according to him Indians would not retaliate. Then he directed a still highly skeptical Nur Khan to Lt-Gen Akhtar Hasan Malik, GOC Kashmir, the man in-charge of “Operation Gibraltar” for further details. The long and short of his discussion with Gen Malik was, “don’t worry, because the plan to send in some 800,000 infiltrators inside the occupied territory to throw out the Indian troops with the help of the local population”, was so designed that the Indians would not be able retaliate and therefore the airforce need not get into war-time mode.
The Gentleman [RM] you are discussing was the most favourite Person for the Military Establishment when he was Additional DG FIA during the operation cleanup against MQM, he was the right hand man of General Babar and favourite Companion of Dr Shuaib Suddle [Former IG Sindh]. Such is the hypocrisy of our Behind the Scene/Veil Ruling Military Elite who want to reap every benefit but when the time of blame and responsibility come they run for cover.
First i would request all to try and leave not more than 3 to 4 lines comment, if possible. Short and concise.
@ Ali, from where did you it come that i enjoy when bearded people are killed, please explain?
Again i request please try and keep your comments limited to 3 to 5 lines, i'll also try the same and avoid copy past rather leave a link. Thanks
@ Haroon, i agree there is no point in only talking, also play your role in whatever you way can, in your individual capacity or as a team.
@ Amir Mughal. Thank you but don't you think you have provided too much information for a single article. I might be wrong but i would still like to suggest to keep your message, concise and effective. We are here to give our own point of view and not to re produce articles. We all quote the facts in our argument and the quality of argument has to be convincing enough to prove your point. And if someone is misquoting or manipulating the facts, i'd very humbly like to suggest you to give reference & in most cases we all have some intellectual level and not bluffing here & also believe each other, or sometimes request the other person to let us have a look, re producing is i think not a good idea.
I would be more interested to hear your own point of view, in your own words, even if it is not in agreement with me. Thanks.
Dear Rana Sahab,
My view is very clear that Army should first clean the mess which is their own creation and learn to live under civilians and allow the political system to take a shape instead of tinkering every now and then. They are are paid employees [should work under civilian like Jinnah had thought] therefore they should behave like one otherwise always remember Yugoslavia and Former USSR [USSR couldn't survive despite having Draconian KGB and more than 2000 warheads].
Dear all,
Sorry for the long text walls. Pardon again.
Very rightly said & summarized in effective manner. Thanks a lot.
Do you really think this act of the army's is to be condoned? At a time when all our public institutions and our government should be rallying together, the army is behaving in this petty and unethical way. Rehman Malik is part of Zardari's democratically, fairly elected government, and as such, not only should both be respected but due protocol observed. Such a divide and disrespect to the civilian government will do Pakistan no good at a time like this, and I would have expected you to know better than encourage it.
Ria you have commented that "Rehman Malik is a part of Zardari's democratically, fairly elected govt and as such, not only should both be respected but due protocol observed"
First of all let me clarify that the present election held is not even valid because only 19% have casted their votes in this election and only 9% votes casted to PPP.Then by cheating and making false promises with PML"N" they were able to make this govt, so how you can say "fairly elected govt". Rehman Malik never participated in the election, he is an unelected Minister, so why he should be given respect. He is a controversial man who is obedient to Zardari and watching his interest.
Mr Aamir Mughal,
I know one thing, Sh Mujeeb ur rehman won the election and he was in majority. If he should be given authority to make govt then may be Bungladesh doesn't came in to existence, but Bhutto didn't accepted him and with the help of Gen Yahya he separated Pakistan from East Pak. Mr Bhutto was fully responsible for this tragedy.
Raza, there is no debate on credibility and standing of both RM and AZ. If n e 1 xcept for lower middle class doesn't cast vote it is their fault, I agree on the part, they manage to form govt. On false promises with PMLN but despite all that president shouldn't be sent home by army.Federal minister shouldn't be mistreated by army. Army's interferance must stop.
Rehman and Zardari have no standing.
Bhutto didn’t accepted him and with the help of Gen Yahya he separated Pakistan from East Pak. Mr Bhutto was fully responsible for this tragedy [Raza M.Qureshi]
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Dear Raza Sahab,
Bhutto was a party leader of PPP not the Chief of Army Staff. Lets assume you are right then why General Zia didn't try Bhutto in the Court of Law for Breaking up the country instead he was tried for a murder for which he was hanged and those who passed the snetence later called a Judicial Murder. Why there isn't anything mentioned in Hamood ur Rehman Commission Report [mind you Justice Humood ur Rahman was Bengali and died and buried in the present day Pakistan]. Hamoodur Rahman chose to remain a citizen of Pakistan after the Bangladesh Liberation War.
Dear Raza Sahab,
You want to condemn Bhutto then condemn him for appointing General Tikka Khan [Butcher of Bengal before the fall and Butcher of Baluchistan for his action in 1958 to 1960 Operation Cleanup in Balochistan for murdering Sardar Nauroz Khan and his sons and nephews in cold blodd after giving them guarantee over Holy Quran] as COAS and the Benazir accepted him in PPP as General Secy and later as Governor Punjab.
Read some History only past newspaper would do.
Raza, there is no debate on credibility and standing of both RM and AZ. On false promises with PMLN but despite all that president shouldn’t be sent home by army.Federal minister shouldn’t be mistreated by army. Army’s interferance must stop. [Rana]
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Agreed. Instead of Army people must use impeachment.