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K-L Bill – Yes or No?

Kerry Lugar Bill‘Do you know why these suicide attacks are suddenly one the rise again?’ asked my friend. ‘No, but I guess you have a reason to justify them’ I replied in a cold manner, wondering when did the attacks actually slowed down.

‘Yes I know it is because of the Kerry Lugar bill. You know, these people (read: agents) are attacking our institutions and people to prove that we are in such poor condition that we cannot survive without aid’.

No doubt this Kerry-Lugar bill aka Killer-bill has become quite the talk of the town and people are now blaming the bill for our basic problems such as the electricity issue without realizing what the bill actually aims at.

On Sept 24, the US Senate unanimously passed the revised version of the Kerry-Lugar Bill, titled the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act 2009.

On Oct. 15th President Barack Obama signed the bill into law which will triple non-military US aid to Pakistan to $7.5 billion over the next five years and hence leaving no choice for Pakistan government to request for any amendments in the bill.

The only choice before us is to either fully accept it or reject it on the whole.

Despite the efforts of the Pakistan government to prove that the act would not harm Pakistan’s sovereignty but the fact remains that US government has rejected the concerns of Pakistan and sent back our Foreign Minister with an explanatory note, attached with the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009.

Surprisingly, our Foreign Minister Mr. Shah Mahmood Qureshi called the explanatory statement “historic” and assured the Parliament on October 16 that no Pakistani authority had been conceded to benefit from the Kerry-Lugar bill. He extensively quoted from an explanatory statement that ‘there are no conditions on Pakistan attached to the authorisation of $7.5 billion in non-military aid’.

Critics say that while using harsh and loud words to get the support of the fellow parliamentarians, what our foreign minister failed to realize is that action speaks louder than words and the people are well aware that he had returned empty-handed from US and thus had to put up this show to save his neck. According to Mr. Anwar Baig (former senator and senior PPP member) the much publicised speech of Mr. Qureshi in the Parliament is ‘nothing but a brilliant piece of acting for which he should be nominated for Oscars.’

Apart from the government appraisal of the act, the main concern of the concerned ones still remain unanswered that why the controversial sections of the act are unaddressed by the Pakistan government.

For instance, Section 203 of the US law considers that Pakistan is involved in the proliferation of nuclear weapons-related materials although it has never been proven in a court of law. The section also presumes that Pakistan is somehow involved in sponsoring terrorism, and that Pakistan’s military and intelligence agencies are involved in aiding terrorist groups, including those groups engaged in attacks against the United States or coalition forces in Afghanistan, and against the territory or the people of neighbouring countries.

The act specifically mentions organizations such as Al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed and makes it clear that Pakistan is prohibited from letting them operate in its territory, including carrying out cross-border attacks into neighbouring countries. The law further requires the closure of terrorist camps in Fata and dismantling terrorist bases in other parts of the country, including Quetta and Muridke.

Then the message for the security forces of Pakistan is that it must not ‘materially’ and ‘substantially’ subvert the political or judicial processes of Pakistan.

Some other important concerns are, placing limitations on arms transfers; requiring that all assistance can only be provided to civilian authorities of a civilian government of Pakistan; (Sec. 205).

Other concern is regarding the submission of a Pakistan Assistance Strategy Report within 45 days of the date of enactment of the act; development of a comprehensive inter-agency regional security strategy to eliminate terrorist threats and close terrorist safe havens in Pakistan, including by working with the Government of Pakistan and other relevant governments and organisations in the region and elsewhere to implement effective counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism efforts in and near the border areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, including Fata, the NWFP, parts of Balochistan and parts of Punjab(Sec. 301. Strategy Reports) and the submission of monitoring reports with description of all amounts made available for assistance to Pakistan during fiscal year 2009, including a description of each program, project, and activity for which funds were made available (Sec. 302. Monitoring Reports).

Although the above stated law may seem like a country’s internal matter but this all has been stated in the US law as if the US is dictating and teaching us the laws to run a terrorist-free country. It appears that this does not like an attack on Pakistan’s sovereignty to our government.

In the end we must realize that it is all a game of interest and of course nobody is willing to help you for free. The US law-makers have clearly stated their policy regarding Pakistan and have laid down their interests in the form of Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act 2009. It is time now that we decide and point out our national interests loud and clear.


48 Comments

  • AHR |

    Several serious political issues have taken over the media and garnered national attention over the past few weeks. These include President Zardari’s trip to the United States, the Punjab government requesting a delay in the by-poll elections the bomb blast at the World Food Program UN office in Islamabad and of course, the Kerry-Lugar Bill seems to be leading in the popular vote. The question is, with immense opposition brewing and the government allowing an open debate in the National Assembly, will we be able to find a viable solution?

    http://ahraza.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/lets-not-k

  • Salman Asghar |

    K-L bill is a straight imposition of forign laws and subjugation to USA….

    well… i belive that ok, we have done some mistakes in past, but it doesnt mean that we continue to do so!

    when some1 is here to save Pakistan, we dont v support him!

    and we also know that what ever we will get, dont know if some percentage of that is utilized in poroper place!

    http://paknpak.com/yet-another-strike-on-pakistan

  • yaseen ch |

    Our Parliament hadnt even started debate on kerry Lugar bill when PPP information secreatary Fouzia Wahab said" there will be no voting on Kerry lugar bill by Parliament" so why are you debating if you don't have to make a decision on it.

    Such is the sovereignty of our Parliament.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Et tu, Musharraf!

    تحفظات کا اظہار، فوج کا حق ہے: مشرف

    حسن مجتبیٰ

    بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، نیویار

    Tuesday, 20 October, 2009, 21:04 GMT 02:04 PST

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/10/091019

    پاکستان کے سابق فوجی حکمران ریٹائرڈ جنرل پرویز مشرف نے کہا ہے کہ کیری لوگر بل پر پاکستان کی فوج کی طرف سے تحفظات کا اظہار فوج کا حق ہے کیونکہ وہ سمجتھی ہے کہ اس سے اسکے (فوج کے) اصول متاثر ہوئے ہیں۔

    انہوں نے کہا کہ اگر پاکستانی عوام بھی یہ سمجھتے ہیں کہ کیری لوگر بل ملک کی خود مختاری کے خلاف ہے تو وہ بل کو مسترد کیا جا سکتا ہے۔ انہوں نے کہا ہے کہ پاکستان میں ’اعتدال پسند‘ یا میانہ رو طالبان سے بات کی جا سکتی ہے

    Question is why did Musharraf's Military Regime accepted every demand on that fateful telephone call he received after 911 from Collin Powell????

  • farrah shah |

    Terror attacks are not happening because of Kerry Lugar Bill.

    Terror Attacks is one issue and Kerry Lugar another but both are highly important .

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    terrorism is our internal matter.

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    Kerry Lugar a matter of foreign policey .We do not trust USA on Defence contracts,treaties or allies.

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    Musharraf supported US coalation forces(we had to deal with it sooner or later) but it seems US wants to abort operation and leave its mess for Pakistan to be cleaned.

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    Please note kerry logar bill spells out one thing USA does not trust Pakistan Government and army ….that is why there are so many strings attached….

    IF ONLY STRINGS COULD CONTROL PEOPLE

  • Desi Cheetah |

    excuse me? are you implying this terrorism is related to KL bill?

    HOW STUPID CAN YOU PEOPLE BE?

  • Aamir Mughal |

    excuse me? are you implying this terrorism is related to KL bill? [Desi Cheetah]

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    Sir,

    These Yankees will make sure that this War on Terror become our War as well. We shouldn't forget that we Fought US's War against Bad Bad Commies [USSR].

    ““To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal” ” Henry Kissinger, Former United States Secretary of State/United States National Security Advisor.

  • Desi Cheetah |

    any proof? what about these TTP idiots continuing to take credit for all these blasts? what all these boys that they find brainwashed? what about people that make suicide belts? what about the army operation in waziristan? are all these a drama?

    you people are mentally unstable, BLOODY IDIOT

  • Aamir Mughal |

    what about people that make suicide belts? what about the army operation in waziristan? are all these a drama? you people are mentally unstable, BLOODY IDIOT [Desi Cheetah]

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    طالبان رہنما قاری حسین کا انٹرویو

    بیورو رپورٹ

    اسلام آباد

    Tuesday, 20 October, 2009, 11:54 GMT 16:54 PST

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/10/091020
    پشاور میں عوامی مقامات پر خودکش حملوں کے بارے میں ان کا الزام تھا کہ یہ پاکستانی خفیہ ایجنسیوں کی کارستانی تھی تاکہ، بقول ان کے، ’مجاہدین کے خلاف عوام میں نفرت پیدا کرسکیں۔ ہم اتنے بےغیرت لوگ نہیں کہ عوام اور معصوم لوگوں کو ماریں، یہ دھماکے ہمارے خلاف ایک بہت بڑی سازش ہیں۔۔۔ اصل قتلِ عام تو قبائلی علاقوں میں جاری ہے۔‘

    خود کش حملہ آوروں کے انچارج سمجھے جانے والے قاری حسین نے خودکش یا فدائین حملوں کا بھرپور دفاع کیا۔ ان کا دعویٰ تھا کہ خدا انہیں معصوم افراد کی مدد کے لیے جائز قرار دیتے ہیں اور بقول ان کے اس کی اجازت دیتے ہیں۔ ’یہ فدائین ان معصوم لوگوں کی مدد کرتے ہیں۔ اللہ تعالی ہمیں اس کا جواز دیتا ہے۔‘

  • Aamir Mughal |

    excuse me? are you implying this terrorism is related to KL bill? what about people that make suicide belts? what about the army operation in waziristan? are all these a drama? you people are mentally unstable, BLOODY IDIOT [Desi Cheetah]

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    Sir,

    With utmost humility, I berg to say that USA cannot absolve itself from this Terror Acts in Pakistan:

    To set the Historical Record Straight!

    “the U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinksi declared, “We see no fundamental incompatibility of interests between the United States and Iraq.” Washington and London overtly and covertly supported Saddam Hussein.”

    the same U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinksi on Afghanistan:

    For your kind perusal,

    Zbigniew Brzezinski [10th United States National Security Advisor] under US President Carter and Afghan Jihad addressing Afghan Mujahideen!



    Zbigniew Brzezinski to Jihadists: Your cause is right!



    Are We to Blame for Afghanistan? By Chalmers Johnson

    “Asked whether he in any way regretted these actions,

    Brzezinski replied: Regret what? The secret operation was an excellent idea. It drew the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? On the day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, saying, in essence: ‘We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.’

    Nouvel Observateur: “And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?”

    Brzezinski: “What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?”

    Are We to Blame for Afghanistan? By Chalmers Johnson

  • Desi Cheetah |

    Zbigniew Brzezinski was security advisor to President Carter whose presidency ended in 1980. THAT WAS ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO!!! If you are making a point that the US played its part in the rise of fundamentalism I have no quarrel with that. But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans, and when I ask for proof you point to a ridiculous statement from a known terrorist! btw the recent attacks in Lahore were clearly claimed by the taliban, even they realize there is no point in denying their involvement any more.

    I am more interested in who these people are that are blowing up things and killing innocents in Pakistan. I'm sorry that has now become an internal problem for Pakistan, it has nothing to do with what some idiot US security advisor did 30 yrs ago. Stop living in the past. We have the problems we have, not the problems you would like us to have.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    it has nothing to do with what some idiot US security advisor did 30 yrs ago. Stop living in the past. [Desi Cheetah]

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    Sir,

    How would you define this statement.

    US wronged Pakistan for 30 years, admits Hillary By Anwar Iqbal Wednesday, 20 May, 2009 06:53 AM PST

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans

    [Desi Cheetah]

    How would you define US's tinkering in Iran

    Preparing the Battlefield by Seymour M. Hersh. Annals of National Security

    Source: The New Yorker

    URL: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Dear DC,

    There are two tags on my blog namely Seymour M Hersh and Scott Ritter [Former UN Weapon Inspector] please click on their names and watch their lecture and interviews on US Involvement in Iran for Regime Change.

    I would request Dr Awab to upload these Lectures/Interviews on his blog for general public.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Are we Iran? what is the relevance. moron. [Desi Cheetah]

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    Dear Sir,

    For your kind perusal,

    Blast culprits based in Pakistan: Iranian FM Tuesday, 20 Oct, 2009

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    Excerpts from a book:Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism: Allah, the Army and America’s War on Terror By Hassan Abbas published by An East Gate Book. M.E. Sharpe Armonk, New York, London England.

    “In a few months, Saudi funds started pouring in, making the project feasible. For Saudi Arabia, the Iranian revolution was quite scary, for its ideals conflicted with that of a Wahabi monarchy. More so, with an approximately 10% Shia population, Saudi Arabia was concerned about the expansion of Shia activism in any Muslim country. Hence, it was more than willing to curb such trends in Pakistan by making a financial investment to bolster its Wahabi Agenda. According to Vali Raza Nasr, a leading expert on the sectarian groups of Pakistan, the flow of these funds was primarily routed through the Pakistan Military and the ISI. It is not known whether American support for this scheme was readily available, but the Zia regime knew well that the United States would be glad to acquiesce, given the rising US – Iran hostility. However, some analyst believe that CIA funds were involved in the venture.”

  • Aamir Mughal |

    But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans [Desi Cheetah]

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    Former U.S. attorney general Ramsey Clark says

    "Clark pointed to the CIA's activities in Iran as evidence of its willingness to support dictators over democrats. U.S. officials can justify supporting a dictatorship in Pakistan, said Clark, because it "daggers the underbelly of the Soviet Union." Almost three decades later, Bhutto fans, analysts and keen Pakistani observers suspect Clark's utterances to be true and insist they should not be trashed so easily. Says one Bhutto follower, "…..see in 1977 Bhutto was removed and hurriedly executed. and in just about 24 months, Russia was in Afghanistan (December 1979) and Pakistan, USA, Saudi Arabia et al were all there together running an "Islamic Jihad" against the Communists. It takes more than a year to plan an invasion so big or a counter-attack so effective no?……both the CIA and the KGB knew what each one of them were doing, planning…. But Bhutto was the "wild card" in the overall Western game plan. Read his book If I am Assassinated. ..it tells you all." In later years, Ramsey Clark wrote " Bhutto was removed from power in Pakistan by force on the 5th of July, after the usual party on the 4th at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, with U.S. approval, if not more, by General Zia al-Haq. Bhutto was falsely accused and brutalized for months during proceedings that corrupted the judiciary of Pakistan before being murdered, then hanged. That Bhutto had run for president of the student body at University of California in Berkeley and helped arrange the opportunity for Nixon to visit China did not help him when he defied the U.S. (CovertAction Quarterly magazine, Fall 1998)

  • Aamir Mughal |

    But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans [Desi Cheetah]

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    Part 1 [Excerpts from a book – PROFILES OF INTELLIGENCE by Brigadier Syed I A Tirmazi, SI (M) Former Additional DG ISI.

    It is generally believed that the US wanted Zoulfiqar Ali Bhutto to be removed from the political scene of Pakistan mainly on two accounts. First, for the nuclear policy that he framed and tried to relentlessly pursue and secondly, from apprehensions that ZAB was influencing the countries. He posed a serious challenge to the US interests in the region.“Tally-ho. Kill Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, “ yelled the self-proclaimed policemen of the world. During August 1976, Amercian Secretary of States, Dr. Henry Kissinger had warned Bhutto, “We will make a horrible example of you,” adding menacingly, “When the railroad is coming, you get out of the way.”

  • Aamir Mughal |

    But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans [Desi Cheetah]

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    Part 2 [Excerpts from a book – PROFILES OF INTELLIGENCE by Brigadier Syed I A Tirmazi, SI (M) Former Additional DG ISI.

    The American had successfully cultivated a number of well-placed bureaucrats, PPP stalwarts and ministers who wittingly or inadvertently served as the US agents of influence. American diplomats and CIA operators not only got most of the ‘inside’ information from these ‘gentlemen’ but also utilized their good offices to ‘convey’ whatever they wanted to feed or plant. Some officers from USMAAG had also made meaningful ingresses in the General Headquarters and not only gathered the thinking in the Services Headquarters but would also drop a ‘suggestion’ here and there. Some of the US Diplomats had established direct contacts with a number of PNA leaders whom they continued to aid, support and give day-to-day line of action.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans [Desi Cheetah]

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    Part 3 [Excerpts from a book – PROFILES OF INTELLIGENCE by Brigadier Syed I A Tirmazi, SI (M) Former Additional DG ISI.

    A number of US diplomats were not only actively involved but also directed the operations against Bhutto. Jan M. Gibney, Political Officer, US Consulate General, Lahore, duly assisted by a couple of Pakistanis, was extremely active and would frequently visit a number of Politicians Maulana Maudoodi of Jamat-e-Islami and Maulan Obaidullah Anwar, Jamiat-e-Ulmai- Islam of Sheranwala Gate, Lahore. Apart from holding meetings, a wireless network had been established between the USIS-US Consulate General – Maulana Maudoodi’s residence. It was Gibney who had telephoned and conveyed to Howard B. Schaffer, Chief of Political Affairs, US Embassy, Islamabad, that notorious sentence, “The party is over. Merchandise has gone.”

  • Aamir Mughal |

    But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans [Desi Cheetah]

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    Pardon for Long Text.

    Final Part [Excerpts from a book – PROFILES OF INTELLIGENCE by Brigadier Syed I A Tirmazi, SI (M) Former Additional DG ISI.

    The US had also released PL-480 funds. Over night some Jamat-e-Islami workers were seen with pockets full of money and spending lavishly. A number of businessmen, particularly those, who had suffered due to ZAB’s economic and industrial policies, had also been prompted to contribute towards the PNA funds. As there were no party accounts being maintained as such, the contributions were received personally by some of the leaders. Justice (Retd.) Kaikaus and Rafiq Ahmed Bajwa are among those who are alleged to have made millions.

  • Desi Cheetah |

    you are an ass. nothing you posted has anything to do with the suicide attacks in our country. idiots like you are fixated on America while the TTP kill our public. Shame on you.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Are we Iran? what is the relevance. moron.But you are clearly implying in your posts that these acts of terrorism are being somehow masterminded by the Americans [Desi Cheetah]

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    Dear DC,

    CIA, ISI, Saudi Mukhbarat ran "Afghan Jihad" with the help of Drug Money channeled through BCCI. One issue of Time Weekly was banned in Pakistan during 1984 and 1985 wherein several leading Cabinet Members/Military Officers of General Zia e.g. General Fazl-e-Haq, Air Chief Marshal Muhammad Anwar Shamim, and his brother in law Khursheed Anwer Mirza as well mentioned as the Richest Military Men in Pakistan having Ranches in USA.

    Do you thing USA was unaware about this Drug Money [which was also used by Ronald Reagan during Iran Contra Fiasco]

    For more details read..

    Bush, Drugs and Pakistan: Inside the Kingdom of Heroin Magazine article by Lawrence Lifschultz; The Nation, Vol. 247, November 14, 1988.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    you are an ass. nothing you posted has anything to do with the suicide attacks in our country. idiots like you are fixated on America while the TTP kill our public. Shame on you. [Desi Cheeta]

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    Dear Sir,

    How would you explain Taliban visit to the USA.

    War Is Peace BY Arundhati Roy [From the book Power Politics comprising her essays]

    In December 1997, a delegation of Taliban mullahs travelled to America and even met US State Department officials and Unocal executives in Houston.At that time the Taliban's taste for public executions and its treatment of Afghan women were not made out to be the crimes against humanity that they are now. Over the next six months, pressure from hundreds of outraged American feminist groups was brought to bear on the Clinton administration. Fortunately, they managed to scuttle the deal. And now comes the US oil industry's big chance.

  • Desi Cheetah |

    again, nothing you are posting has anything to do with what is happening in Pakistan these days. Do we have internal terrorist groups or not? or are they all American agents. Somewhere a village is missing an idiot.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Do we have internal terrorist groups or not? or are they all American agents. [Desi Cheetah]

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    Dear DC,

    My posts were meant to highlight a point that USA cannot absolve itself from this Terror Menace in Pakistan. And, yeas they are all American Agents.

    Why the US Government tolerated this menace when the very favourite pet of USA i.e. Former Chief of Army Staff Pervez Musharraf allowed this:

    " And while the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi stand officially disbanded, their most militant son and leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, an accused in several cases of sectarian killing, contested elections from jail – albeit as an independent candidate – won his seat, and was released on bail shortly thereafter. Musharraf rewrote election rules to disqualify former Prime Ministers Mohammed Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, and threatened to toss them in jail if they returned from abroad, which badly undermined both Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League and Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP).

    Musharraf has plainly given the religious groups more free rein in the campaign than he has allowed the two big parties that were his main rivals. In Jhang city, in Punjab province, Maulana Azam Tariq, leader of an outlawed extremist group called Sipah-e-Sahaba, which has been linked to numerous sectarian killings, is being allowed to run as an independent despite election laws that disqualify any candidate who has criminal charges pending, or even those who did not earn a college degree. "It makes no sense that Benazir can't run in the election," says one Islamabad-based diplomat, "and this nasty guy can."

    And this takes me back to Pervez Musharraf’s first visit to the US after his coup. At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.”

    References:

    1 – Pakistani neocons and UN sanctions Khalid Hasan This entry was posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 6:00 pm. [Daily Times]

    2 – For The 'General' Good By Sairah Irshad Khan Monthly Newsline January 2003

    3 – General's Election By TIM MCGIRK / KHANA-KHEL Monday, Oct. 07, 2002 [TIME Magazine]

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Do we have internal terrorist groups or not? or are they all American agents. [Desi Cheetah]

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    Dear Sir,

    Please tell me what the hell Hafiz Saeed's [LT/JD] brother was doing in Carolina in all those years???

  • Desi Cheetah |

    jeez, I can't believe you worked for IB b/c you are clearly delusional. Explains why you are unemployed now! btw lot of the the idiot fundos have family in the US – not because they are agents, but because they are hypocrites!

    At least you will agree that if all these people are amreeki agents, then you fully support the army action against them!!!

  • Aamir Mughal |

    support the army action![DC]

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    Dear Sir,

    No way, they are the Biggest American Agents. If any Operation [Judicial Commission] is needed then it is against the Military Establishment because they are the one who first created these Mullahs with the help of USA in 1974. They should be judicially prosecuted for the Crimes they have committed serious crime against innocent Pakistanis and they have ruined Pakistani Society both horizontally and vertically.

  • Desi Cheetah |

    I see so the "Biggest" American agents are currently fighting the other American agents in Waziristan. Now I get it. Can I have what you are smoking?

  • Aamir Mughal |

    I see so the “Biggest” American agents are currently fighting the other American agents in Waziristan. Now I get it. Can I have what you are smoking? [DC]

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    Sir,

    Just curious. Would you like to tell me as to how it was possible that several Radio Stations were successfully operating by Mullahs in Tribal Area and that too during General Musharraf's First Operation against Mullahs in Tribal Areas. Point that is to be noted that during Musharraf's Tenure several FM Channels [in settled area] were not allowed to operate by the same Musharraf.

    How many dead bodies of Terrorists were seen by media particlarly of those alleged Terrorists who are supposedly killed in action.

    When no agency can trace the Most Wanted Thugs of Tribal Area then how it was possible for the media to 'interview' them successfully.

    There is something we are missing that the First causalty in any War is the truth.

  • Desi Cheetah |

    aaahhh…its a giant conspiracy that only aamir mughal can see…

  • ali |

    Desi Cheetah,

    So can you prove that the caller who takes responsiblity is genuinely the *culprit*?

    or we believe it because thats what we want to believe?

  • MD |

    Yes we need this money and at least KL bill will ensure that US tax payer money doesn't end up in the pockets of politicians, general and feudal. i dont understand who are we fooling when we say we are a sovereign nation what bullshit.

  • AHR |

    Many in Pakistan fail to understand the value of their vote. Agreed we go to the polling stations whenever we are lucky enough to have elections, but having an ink mark on our thumb does not mark the end of our civic duty. When we come out in numbers, those politicians that take Pakistanis for granted are shaken to the core. Those law enforcement agencies carry out their duty with justice. Not only the government, but the army also realizes that it becomes powerless when it is dealing with the nation as one. If we, the people, are able to wield such influence over these powerful institutions by coming together as one unit, lord save the militants if we truly unite as Pakistan.

    http://ahraza.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/we-the-peo

  • Aamir Mughal |

    aaahhh…its a giant conspiracy that only aamir mughal can see… [Desi Cheetah]

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    Dear Sir,

    For your kind perusal, and that too out of the mouth of Carnegie Scholar [Carnegie is not a Madressah based in Peshawar]

    Pakistan: The Myth of an Islamist Peril By Frederic Grare Publisher: Carnegie Endowment Policy Brief #45, February 2006

    Click on link for the full text of this Carnegie Paper

    http://www.carnegieendowment.org/files/45.grare.f

    The fear of an Islamic threat has been the driving force behind most Western countries’ foreign policies toward Pakistan in recent years. The possibility that violent Islamists will kill President Pervez Musharraf, throw Pakistan into turmoil, take over the country and its nuclear weapons, and escalate regional terrorism has dominated the psychological and political landscape. Such fears have usually led to support of the Pakistani military as the only institution able to contain the danger. But the Islamist threat is neither as great nor as autonomous as many assume. True, Pakistan has experienced more than its share of religious violence, both sectarian and jihadi. But serious law-and-order problems do not mean the fate of the state is at stake. No Islamic organization has ever been in a position to politically or militarily challenge the role of the one and only center of power in Pakistan: the army. On the contrary, the Pakistani Army has used Islamic organizations for its purposes, both at home and abroad. Islamist organizations balance the power of rival mainstream political parties, preserving the army’s role as national arbiter. The army has nurtured and sometimes deployed violent Islamists in Afghanistan (with U.S. support at first), Kashmir, and other hot spots on the subcontinent.

  • Abdus samad |

    K-L bill is not accepted , we r pakistani and this bill contains lot of unfavourble to concern for Pakistani public

  • saeed ur Rehman |

    I am not in favour of this bill because this is on behalf of our enemy. No require K-L Bill.

  • saeed ur Rehman |

    Na khaphe na khphe K-L bill na khaphe,

    America ka hami sab harami

  • Hadia Toor |

    i read the most interesting conversation taking place between two gentlemen here…if i may call them that…there two things that I wish to say:

    1. I am a student of IIUI. our university was rocked by two bomb blasts on the 20th of october 2009. just 3 days ago or 2 rather…

    our uni as its name clearly mentions is"islamic". our classes and buildings are segregated, we have no concerts on our premises…our transport facilities are seperate…everything the Taliban way…if u may call it that (I dont)….the point is if the culprits behind teh terror attacks were Talibans why would they attack us?…i see no reason at all…rather their target could have been one of the countries alrge co-eduactional institutions…but what gets attacked? "a ladies-only cafe and the shariah and law department" of IIUI….

    is it still not clear to u Mr.DC?

    funny ur name rings a bell….sum connection with Washington dc???

    2. this is a discussion board…let us act like civilized people, literate ones and not forget our manners.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    America ka hami sab harami [saeed ur Rehman]

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    US drones assisting Pakistan army: report By Our Correspondent Saturday, 24 Oct, 2009 | 04:43 AM PST

    WASHINGTON, Oct 23: The US military is providing intelligence and surveillance video from unmanned aircraft to the Pakistani army to assist it in its week-old offensive in South Waziristan, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    US officials who spoke to the newspaper said this was “the deepest American involvement yet in a Pakistani military campaign”. US Air Force Predators were providing overhead video — and possibly radio intercepts — for the Pakistani campaign, the daily said on Friday. Pakistan combines the data with the information it receives from its sources on the ground in locating militant hideouts in the region.

    “Pakistan has superior human intelligence on the ground, where its powerful Inter-Services Intelligence has cultivated networks of informants among militant groups. But the government has a limited ability to intercept cell phone calls and other transmissions,” the Times noted. “Any type of imagery would be of use to the Pakistanis, either from Predator or other means,” a senior US Defence official told the newspaper. In particular, Pakistan has sought intelligence “on locations of the enemy, re-supply routes, re-supply activity . . . in real time.”

    The Times reported that for at least a year, the American and Pakistani militaries had tried to figure out the best way to share the intelligence that the unmanned aircraft gathered. At first, Pakistani officials publicly denied that there was any cooperation. Then Google Earth images showed US Predators parked on a Pakistani runway. The intelligence sharing showed “how the Obama administration intends to intensify pressure on insurgents in Pakistan as the administration overhauls the US military strategy in neighbouring Afghanistan”, the report noted. The cooperation also reflects a significant shift for Pakistan, which had previously resisted US offers to deploy Predators in support of its military operations.”

  • Aamir Mughal |

    America ka hami sab harami [saeed ur Rehman]

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    What is behind the ‘Ghairat’ debate? Wednesday, October 14, 2009 By Sadiq Saleem

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=20

    The Jamaat-e-Islami was too busy opposing the creation of Pakistan to notice that in November 1947 Quaid-e-Azam sent Mir Laik Ali (of Hyderabad Deccan) to Washington to ask for $2 billion in aid from the Americans. Pakistan, however, only received $10 million, only 0.5% of the original request.

    The fathers and grandfathers of most of the Pakistan Muslim League leaders (both N and Q) were in Pakistan Muslim League Convention when Field Marshal Ayub Khan secured large amounts of aid to build Pakistan’s Air Force (which saved our neck in 1965), create the agricultural revolution and build huge projects like the Mangla and Tarbela Dams.

    All of Ayub’s social and economic achievements were because of American aid, which always brings other aid. Aid from the World Bank and other institutions for many projects including the Indus waters system were amongst the many benefits at that time. Had ‘Ghairat’ trumped aid, we would be short of a lot more than what we face today.

    We are lucky that Brigadier Imtiaz Billa and Lt Gen Hamid Gul were still in service and Irfan Siddiqi and Haroonur Rashid had not yet become as influential as they are today during the rule of Ziaul Haq when we got massive amounts of aid enabling us to build huge airports, secure F-16s and covertly build the nuclear programme. Had their slogan mongering of today been national policy in the 1980s even the ISI would not have become the formidable intelligence service it has become because, after all, that all happened because of US assistance.

    If ‘Ghairat’ had been such an issue during General Zia’s period then our anchors would have been screaming each time Zia drove himself in his car to meet the American ambassador in complete violation of protocol, as reported in Lt Gen KM Arif’s book. But no one can dare question the patriotism of a coup-making four-star general. It is only civilians who are periodically suspect.

    Another recent addition to the ‘Ghairat’ lobby, former ISI chief Lt Gen Javed Ashraf Qazi was happy to be Minister of Railways in Musharraf’s era, gladly spending the money coming in as US aid. He did not bother to read the terms of American aid provided in 2001 and 2007 that included humiliating and insulting certification that Pakistan “had closed all known terrorist camps operating in Pakistan and Pakistan occupied Kashmir.”

  • MB |

    Thanks Amir Mughal for reminding this nation of its oqaat. . .

    bheek bi maangni hai or ankhain bi dikhani hain . .