Guest blog by Ishaal Zehra
The attack which killed the National Deputy Commander of the ground forces of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards (RG), General Noor Ali Shooshtari and the provincial commander for Sistan-Baluchistan, Rajab Ali Mohammadzadeh along with some senior officers and 42 others in a homicide bombing inflicted Iran’s worst military casualties in years.
Quick after the mishap, an Iranian military official went as far as to raise the prospect of a possible military offensive into Pakistan against the group blamed for the attack. “There is even unanimity that these operations (could) take place in Pakistan territory,” the ISNA news agency quoted MP Payman Forouzesh as saying. While the headquarters of Iran’s armed forces blamed the bombing on “terrorists” backed by “the Great Satan America and its ally Britain,” Fars News Agency said Sunday.
Islamabad strongly denied the allegations and said the attack was an attempt to “spoil ties” with Iran. “There are forces which are out to spoil our relations with Iran. But our ties are strong enough to counter these machinations,” said the Pakistan’s foreign ministry spokesman Abdul Basit while dismissing the allegations.
The point to ponder is that, how come Pakistan would be wishing to create unrest in some neighbour while its own house is burning. Pakistan has been the victim of worst type of terror since many years. The war which initially started in Afghanistan was purposely shifted to Balochistan province of ours as a part of the Great Game. Amid the GWOT the active involvement of many countries intelligence agencies in Balochistan was observed. These agencies, while playing with the internal conflicts of the center and the Baloch people, are subversively involved in provision of funds and arms to different armed groups. This has been proved many a times that the outlawed armed groups of Balochistan, BLA and BRA are funded and trained by Indian RAW. Even the websites of BLA and greater Balochistan are updated from India. The role of Indian consulate offices in Afghanistan is suspected since their origin.
Keeping in view the sensitivity of the problem, it is difficult for India to openly support the Baluch insurgency because it may harm her relations with Iran (never bother about Pakistan). If the Indians will come out openly in support of the BLA, anti-Indian elements in Pakistan will quickly bracket New Delhi with the alleged Great Game of the US against Iran.
Indian relation with Iran have generally been viewed by observers as a tightrope walking to balance out her interests in Iran as well with the US. India, knowingly, that sidestepping the international community’s efforts to thwart Iran’s so-called drive for nuclear weapons would only devalue her credibility in the eyes of global power, New Delhi is fast trying to convey an unambiguous message that a nuclear armed Iran is as unacceptable to India as it is to the US, the U.K. or France. Hence, India (a good time’s friend) seems to be all set to dump Tehran to seek new alliances and please her new friends.
Iran is a regional power and an aspiring nuclear state which poses a threat to Israeli expansionism in Middle East. There is no denying the fact that Iran’s nuclear programme has been a persistent worry for both, US and Israel. And the choice between new allies and old friend is getting tough on India. To understand India’s dilemma, it requires a critical view of her relation with both Israel and Iran. There has been a steady strengthening of the India’s relationship with Israel ever since India established full diplomatic relations with Israel in 1992. Ever since then, the flourishing Indo- Israel relationship has gained much potential to make a significant impact on the global politics, by altering the balance of power not only in South Asia but the Middle East as well. Today, India has become the biggest market for Israeli arms with their strategic, defence and intelligence cooperation growing at a rapid pace. Where as, on the other hand, the vast oil and gas reserves of Iran serve magnetic affiliation to the quenching India’s long term thirst for energy. And yet another attraction in Iran’s case is that she offers India access to Afghanistan and Central Asia, side-lining Pakistan.
Given the scenario, India is more likely to tilt towards Israel in future. As regardless of her important ties with Arab countries and Iran, her lure for intelligence consultations with Israel seems a durable one. Until now, India has veered between cooperation and altercation in case of Iran yet in the time to come we may expect India to go along with Israel and US in destroying Iran, one of the country in Bush’s war against his self-selected axis of evil. A nuclear Iran suspected of supporting Palestinians and organizations sympathetic to them, faces a great threat of attack on its nuclear installations. And India would support such an operation clandestinely, while opposing in front of the world, not to annoy Iran because of economic reasons. Amusingly, India’s interest in the proposed IPI gas line project diminished sharply from the time the US-India nuclear deal began to take shape. Probably, the US wants to undermine India-Iran economic relations to such an extent that New Delhi becomes a stakeholder in its plan against Iran.
The geopolitical implications of the collaborations between India, US and Israel are grave and manifold. Despite the denials, India is playing a secret role in US strategy against Iran for past many years. India regardless of having close ties with Iran stabbed her in the back by joining EU-3 on Iran’s nuclear issue. It is no more a secret that EU-3 is no longer acting independently, but as a surrogate of the US. How piteous that a democracy ended up as a deputy of a surrogate. History has witnessed how India once used the friendly ties with Tehran as a ladder to achieve US and European community’s support to secure permanent seat in Security Council. Thanks to her mean and wanton nature which made her vote twice against the same Iran in the IAEA governing board, thus endorsing the US agenda for confrontation with Iran. Nevertheless, the Indian vote against Iran has extensively lowered her global structure and credibility. Despite her close economic and political relations, if India could stab a friendly country like Iran in the back, then she could not be considered trustworthy by other developing countries.
The thriving indo-Israeli relations are posing a direct threat to Iran. Their trade has grown exceptionally over the years, especially after the launch of Israeli spy satellite from the Indian Space center, the tie got even stronger. The launch of TecSAR has considerably enhanced Israel’s intelligence-gathering capability. The satellite is clearly affecting the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, as its ability to produce image in adverse weather and even at night allowed Israel to obtain more information about the Iranian nuclear programme. Though India officially argues that she has commercially utilized her advanced technological capacity but the act brought to light India’s full cooperation to dissuade, isolate and if necessary sanction and contain Iran. Nevertheless, Iran should realize that a friend of your enemy can never be your friend and India has already established herself as Israel’s friend and Iran’s foe at many instances.
It is time that India’s credibility as a friendly democracy should be weighed by other developing countries of the world. The Indo-Israel nexus, under the US patronage, is posing a threat to the Muslim world. All their ambitions revolve around targeting particularly Muslim states that are energy rich and either nuclear or threshold nuclear states. It is high time that the Islamic countries take a unified and concrete step to cater this ghastly menace, or else it might become too late.
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110 responses to “New Iran – New Intentions”
A good artical written by Ishaal. Iran has to re-think about her relations with India. She must adopt the policies of non-interference in the seterian issues of neighbouring countries. She is a future Atomic power and has to display responsible regional role.
@farrah shah! @Amir mughal! “Andhon kay sheher men bechta hoon aaena
kia hal poochhtay ho meray karobar ka” [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Quran and Hadith on Poets:
هَلْ أُنَبِّئُكُمْ عَلَى مَن تَنَزَّلُ الشَّيَاطِينُ
تَنَزَّلُ عَلَى كُلِّ أَفَّاكٍ أَثِيمٍ
يُلْقُونَ السَّمْعَ وَأَكْثَرُهُمْ كَاذِبُونَ
وَالشُّعَرَاء يَتَّبِعُهُمُ الْغَاوُونَ
أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّهُمْ فِي كُلِّ وَادٍ يَهِيمُونَ
وَأَنَّهُمْ يَقُولُونَ مَا لَا يَفْعَلُونَ
"Shall I inform you upon whom the devils descend? They descend on every sinful, false one. They listen eagerly, but most of them are liars.As for poets, the erring follow them. Hast thou not seen how they stray in every valley, And how they say that which they do not? "[Verse 221-222-223- 224-225-226 Chapter 026 AL-SHUARA (THE POETS)]
وَمَا عَلَّمْنَاهُ الشِّعْرَ وَمَا يَنبَغِي لَهُ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ وَقُرْآنٌ مُّبِينٌ
لِيُنذِرَ مَن كَانَ حَيًّا وَيَحِقَّ الْقَوْلُ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ
And We have not taught him (Muhammad) poetry, nor is it meet for him. This is naught else than a Reminder and a Lecture making plain, To warn whosoever liveth, and that the word may be fulfilled against the disbelievers. [Chapter 36 Verses 69-70 YA-SEEN (YA-SEEN)]
إِنَّهُ لَقَوْلُ رَسُولٍ كَرِيمٍ
وَمَا هُوَ بِقَوْلِ شَاعِرٍ قَلِيلًا مَا تُؤْمِنُونَ
وَلَا بِقَوْلِ كَاهِنٍ قَلِيلًا مَا تَذَكَّرُونَ
تَنزِيلٌ مِّن رَّبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger. It is not poet's speech – little is it that ye believe! Nor diviner's speech – little is it that ye remember! It is a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds. [Chapter 69 Verse 40-41-42-43 AL-HAAQQA (THE REALITY)]
The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, "It is better for a man to fill the inside of his body with pus than to fill it with poetry." [Muslim]
@Dr.Jawwad
We are debating the relations with Iran……What is the bloody context of bringing up explicit date of a daughter and drinking son.
Daily morality is a personal choice.Morality comes from within.And I am fed up of discussing morality.
There is no difference between a KALA ,GORA,SHIAT ,SUNNI,WAHABI,CHINESE <PAKISTANI <INDIAN OR ENGLISH AND US citizens.
We are all human .I cannot hate anyone of them just because they have their own set of values and morals.
Can you please stop feeling good by telling rest that they are bad and you are pure.This is the biggest dillusion SOME Muslims have.
Accept the differences and approach in difference that is humanity.
Anyone who is not a human has no right to call himself Muslim.
Now you tell me……why you bring up morality in every political or social debate we have.
The ISLAM from Spain to Africa to central Asia and to East Asia had different cultures.
Diversity of Islam unifies everyone and everything the basic rule is be human.
Once Islam was a circle of all inclusives ,including the Munafiqeen of Makkah …….what times are these even Muslims are told they are not Muslims…….who are the people who issue this certificate…..
Speaking at the end of a summit of 57 Islamic countries, Ahmadinejad was less conciliatory on the US, a possibility raised by Obama's offer to "reach out a hand" to Iran after 30 years of ruptured ties. Asked by the Guardian what conditions the US would have fulfil for relations to be restored, Ahmadinejad said: "Change should happen in practice. Which change has happened? Was Guantánamo Bayshut down? Were the US policies supporting Zionists and the mass murder of Palestinians stopped? Were the US policies in Afghanistan changed? Were the policies in Iraq changed?
"Obama should take big decisions and changes. He can't collect the support of the illegal murderous Zionist regime [Israel] and the countries of the region as well. Earning friendship of the countries in the region is not compatible with the Zionist regime's friendship. I know that dropping the Zionist regime is a difficult choice and task. [But] he should confront the Zionists and obviously the changes would not take place unless big choices happen."
(Ahmede nijaad Tells USA to ditch ISRAEL……..the leader of Islamic world).Above is from todays Guardian
@farrah shah!
my apologies! i shouldn't have use that verse by addressing you.
and more apologies for presenting my self as only pious man.
the verse was not appropriate.
and even more apologies for misunderstanding your line "islam is a code of life for my personal self"
i am sure my apologies will be accepted.
best regards
presenting my self as only pious man.[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Piety is an internal quality as the Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said,
“Taqwa is here” and he pointed to his chest (Muslim).
Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Prophet Mohammad PBUH) say:
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. [ The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Another] will be a man who has studied [religious] knowledge and has taught it and who used to recite the Quran. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I studied [religious] knowledge and I taught it and I recited the Quran for Your sake. He will say: You have lied – you did but study [religious] knowledge that it might be said [of you]: He is learned. And you recited the Quran that it might be said [of you]: He is a reciter. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Another] will be a man whom Allah had made rich and to whom He had given all kinds of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I left no path [untrodden] in which You like money to be spent without spending in it for Your sake. He will say: You have lied – you did but do so that it might be said [of you]: He is open-handed. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.
[Muslim, Tirmidhi and Nasa'i]
Dr Sahab
it is not about the shaire.It is about coming to the same point over and again of morality of a daughter and Blasphemy.
Why emotions cannot be put at the back burner while haveing a discussion.
Why we have to carry the tunnel vission all the time.
Now tell me…..you are a doctor……a human being ………and a Muslim ……
in an emergency it is a woman patiant ,would you treat her or leave herto die?
Whatever choice you make,how do you live with it afterwards?
A sinful Muslim who treated a woman and broke Shariat?
A human with no concious ,for not treating a deying person?
Or a proud Muslim that maybe she died but you upheld shariat?
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So Please my request is that all too patriotic Pakistanis and staunch Muslims should think twice before provoking and bringing Ghairat and namoos into everything.
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@Amir Mughal at the quote of Hadith:
To take it further
Allah wanted to be known that is why He created this World.
Know thyself for in knowing ones self ………one knows Allah.
Knowing Him makes one Humbler and Weaker and all powerful as well.
So the Sufi Masters say whatever you do ,do it for the sake of Allah,neither for Hell ,nor for Heaven.
Like I just forgive Dr Jawwad 🙂 that he is Allah ka Bandha and
myself thinking I am vain and empty:))))
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Life was not that difficult to live if there were less preachers and more people full of right actions.
So the Sufi Masters say whatever you do ,do it for the sake of Allah,neither for Hell ,nor for Heaven.[Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
Sufi Masters are wrong because Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] had taught us through Supplication in Hadith to seek refuge with Allah from:
Seek refuge with Allah from the torment of Hell. Seek refuge with Allah from the torment of the grave. Seek refuge with Allah from turmoil, its visible and invisible (aspects) Seek refuge with Allah from the turmoil of the Dajjal (Anti Christ) : Reference: Bukhari and Muslim.
Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] had also taught us in Hadith to seek Paradise from Allah:
"QUOTE"
"ALAAH HUMA INNI ASALOKAL JANNAH WA'AUZOBIKA MIN AN NARR"
O Allah I ask you for Paradise and seek Thy refuge from Fire [i.e.Hell]
Reference: Sunnan Abu Dawood and Sunnan Ibn-Majah.
Note: Sufis were weak in narrating Hadith. That's why Muhaddiseen [Hadith Scholars] never accepted Hadith from Sufis. [Reference": Preface of Saheeh Muslim]
Best Regards.
Amir
I didnot say it was Hadith .It is a Sufi teaching related to Hazrat Rabia Basri.She was once walking very fast and furious with the water bucket in one hand and the broom in the other.People asked her where are you rushing to?
She said I want to put out the Hell fire with water and sweep clean the Junnat .So that people can start loving Allah for his sake.
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Life is a journey and Prophet (pbuh) laid example for this journey .Quran lays out the fundamentals of life and Hereafter and Ahadees and lives of Sahaba to assist and aid us.
All we can do is try to follow the footsteps until we reach the destination ,DEATH.
How sucessfully we do that Allah will let us know.
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Common sense and relation to the sorroundings vary from person to person.So I think following of the fundamentals are the same the emotion ,the feeling and IKHLAS,concentration while offering prayer is different.
I am sorry Muslims are so good at qouting Iqbal and Ahadees but are so care free of their actions.
A person who knows little about Islam and a scholar ultimately live same sort of life.
It is the simple reading of Quran and offering of prayers and contemplation which takes one to Allah.
There is no point presenting contradictory Ahadees when in reality we just live and breath without giving a second to the Realisation of Allah.
I am sorry Muslims are so good at qouting Iqbal and Ahadees but are so care free of their actions.
[Farrah Shah]
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Agreed.
I didnot say it was Hadith .It is a Sufi teaching related to Hazrat Rabia Basri.[Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
Most of the Sufi tales are "Lies" pure and simple, what I meant to say that Muhaddiseen [Traditonalists] never accepted any Hadith from Sufis because Sufis are "habitual liars".
Allah has ordered us to supplicate for Jannah – Paradise [ultimate success] and He further ordered us to seek His refuge from Hell – Jahhannum [ultimate loss].
Regarding Saints and their deception [Translation of
الفرقان بين أولياء الرحمن وأولياء الشيطان
تقي الدين أبو العباس أحمد بن عبد السلام بن عبد الله ابن تيمية الحراني
Saints of Allah and Saints of Satan – 1
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/saints-o…
Saints of Allah and Saints of Satan – 2
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/saints-o…
Saints of Allah and Saints of Satan – 3
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/saints-o…
Most of the Sufi tales are “Lies” pure and simple, what I meant to say that Muhaddiseen [Traditonalists] never accepted any Hadith from Sufis because Sufis are “habitual liars”.
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can you show me the lies in "ghunnaiyatul talibeen" or "kashf ul majoob".
Also this claim that mohaditheen never accpeted any hadith from sufis is not correct. hazrat hasan albasri(ra) was one of most trusted sufi and tabaee.he narrated many hadith from most respected sahab e kiram (ra).
Most of the Sufi tales are “Lies” pure and simple, what I meant to say that Muhaddiseen [Traditonalists] never accepted any Hadith from Sufis because Sufis are “habitual liars”.
can you show me the lies in “ghunnaiyatul talibeen” or “kashf ul majoob”.
[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Ali Hajveri aka Data Gunj Baksh in Kashf al Mahjub [original edition]
In his book he discussed the alleged romance of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] with Zainab Bint Juhash [May Allah be pleased with her] and that too when she was the wife of Zaid.[May Allah forgive me for repeating this]. Alleged Islamic Historian Tabari dedicated at least 8 Blasphemous Narration regarding this slander upon the Lofty Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] {Also read Tafsir Tabari for the reference.
Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani in Ghunya tu Talibeen has declared that followers of Imam Abu Hanifa [May Allah have mercy on his soul] are deviant and rapidly heading towards Hell.
hazrat hasan al basri(ra) was one of most trusted sufi and tabaee.he narrated many hadith from most respected sahab e kiram (ra).[Dr Jawwad Sahab]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Please differentiate between Rabia Basari and Hasan Al Basari. By the way Hazrat Hasan Basri was not Taba'ee [those who have seen and have the company of the Prophet Mohammad] but Taba Taba'i [those who saw companions of the Companions of Prophet Mohammad]. The narration in which it was shown that Hasan Basari met with Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] is very weak not only weak but according to some Muhaddayseen and Isma ur Rijal books, all such narrations showing the meeting of him with Caliph Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] are concocted [Reference: Al Qawl Al Jameel Fil Bayan As Sawa'as Sabeel by Shah Waliullah]
Regards.
hazrat hasan al basri(ra) was one of most trusted sufi and tabaee.he narrated many hadith from most respected sahab e kiram (ra).[Dr Jawwad Sahab]
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As per Imam Muslim [Saheeh Muslim], Hasan Basri didn't narrate a single narration from the "Badari Sahaba" [Companions who took part in the Battle of Badar], Hasan's status as a Taba'ai or Tab'a Taba'ai is still not solved amongst the Scholar, some consider him Taba'ai and others Tabab'ai.
:)))))))))))))))
)))))))))))))))[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Sufis [to justify the existence of Sufism] often quote that Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] had given Hasan Basri his cloak [Sufi Term is "Kharqa"] and that alleged Special Blessed Kharqa then travelled from Hasan Basri to several Sufi Masters and during this travelling the "Kharqa" vanished without a trace. All the books of Isma'a ur Rijal are confirmed on one thing that Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] never met with Hasan Basri.
Sufism is a parallel religion and has nothing to do with Islam. This word Suif or Sufism itself arrived in Muslim World in 3rd Hijri Year. Earlier people used the word of Saleheen, Ibaad and Zahid [Pious people who left worldly affairs and seclusion for Zikr][Reference:Talbees-e-Iblees by Ibn Jawzi, another book is Al Mawzuaat by Ibn Jawzi written to refute weak and concocted Hadiths]. Imam Muslim didn't accept narration from such Pious [Ibaad, Saleheen and Zahid] people, it is further mentioned that Imam Muslim was a pupil of Imam Bukhari.
Amir
Sufism is a way of life.You want to prove it is not or many have trie dto prove like the scholars you tried to quote.
Spiritualism is an experience hence it varies from person to person.
Sufis or mystics are present in every religion or faith.
As a human being progresses in life we choose the role models for ourselves.So the first question is Is there a GOD?After one believes in that one tries to find out which God?I choose Islam .
After deciding on ones faith ,one tries to connect to Allah.
There is no difference ,you can bring in books and scientists but ,yes there are healing ,peace and contentment in Zikr-e-Ellahi .In His remembrance and submission the soul is free of worldly ailments.Disprene cannot cure my dissatisfaction with life.
Gossiping and glamour or praying without connection with the Creator are simmilar experiences.
The inner journey is more important and I truely believe we cannot achieve the ,IKHLAQ and Seerat of Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) because he was at the purest.
Now how do you explain meeting or seeing Gabrial?
Ascending to the sky?
The scandeleous explanations and demonising of spiritual people is understandable.
Spiritualism is not for Minds it is for hearts.
In life everyones Truths are different ,find your own truth not of the other scholars.
From the Quran ,to books of Ahadees to Rumi or Kashaf ul Mahjub or Hazrat Shiekh Abdul Qadir Jillani to present day seekers fo Truth …….
These are the ways ,one has to choose ones own destiny and reality.I am comfertable with mine.It includes everyone.it respects the love Shiats feel for Hazrat Ali,Hazrat HAssan and Hussain.It respects the Wahabis for their firm belief on Allah and saving Islam from dogmas of various cultural influences and of course the sunnis whose love of Prophet (pbuh) surpasses everything.
so what are we debating that loving and healing powers of love of Fatimah,Ali ,Hassan,Hussain,Prophet Muhammad,offering of Prayer or the presence of my Allah and the love of humanity.
Anybody debating on these issues has to rethink the basis of their existance.
I did MA in English for past ten years I am trying to forget what KAHRAFAT I learnt.
The truth is simple.My English is getting worst and my spellings horrible …….what do I care I am but I am at peace with myself .This peace of self is the biggest freedom.
I am a free person ,a very free spirit,that is what religion is supposed to be for.
Choose your course of reading very carefully for this is how we build our faith and life.
The life in which one runs and seeks the preacher but not the one about whom the preacher is preaching is a waiste of intellect and mind.
Seek refuge ,from Mankind and the Ideas and the hypocrasy and jealeousy……………..only His name remains than seek HIM….
Also Amir
you are following the KAHRQA of HAzrat ALI ??????how it disappeared try to find out his spiritual presence ,THE ALI MAULA……MUSHKIL KUSHA……..you will get more wisdom,more spiritual contentment and relief from the burdens of the books.
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Muslims need unity and respect,tolerance for eachother.The world belongs to Islam ,
Understanding and approaching humanity and healing ,how can we embrace humanity if we do not rise above the differences.
@Dr JAwwad
Most of the Sufi tales are “Lies” pure and simple, what I meant to say that Muhaddiseen [Traditonalists] never accepted any Hadith from Sufis because Sufis are “habitual liars”.
Dr Jawwad shame on you .First tell me a book written by Sufi which is a book of Hadees.
Secondly which Traditionalist are you talking about ?????
there were no sufis at the time of Prophet (pbuh)
All the books of Ahadees were written by SAHABEES.
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Sufi stories are lies ,pure and simple.As far as I am concerned the
biggest sipiritual experience is contained in Quran the conception of Jesus by Virgin MarrY,without any man what do you say?
Second is ascending of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to Heaven.
meeting and seeing Gabrial.
Which one of the above is a lie?
The Nazool-e-Quran itself is a spiritual experience ……
Sufis do not believe or advocate anything apart from Quran and Ahadees.
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kindly keep your Larger than clouds GINNIE of self dillusion inside your tunnel vision.
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correction : comment no 70 is intended for mr.Amir not Dr .Jawwad
Sorry Dr.Jawwad mixed up the comment
SORRY????
not enough!!!
i need a written apology…at least 2000 words :)))))))
good exercise writing 2000 words of appology or writing it 2000 times.
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Anyway take out the numerical value of appology I hope it will satisfy your request:):)
@farrah shah!
i don't see any problem in the people of early ages. from imam hassan al basri to imam ahmed bin hanbal.from shaikh ali usman alhajweri to shaikh mohd ibn abdul wahab. they are people of conviction.they spent their whole lives under the ideologies and conviction.
sincereity is their identity. now in moderen age people lost many things sincerity and conviction are on top of many lost valueable assests of ummah.
in this modern day niether followers of shaikh abdul qadir jeelani(ra) nor the followers of shaikh mohd ibn abdul wahab are ready for complete submission.
love for this world is the biggest fitna for the muslim.
Dr jawwad agree with you .In the modern world we are enslaved by material.
Spiritualism is an experience [Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah,
If you talk of Islam then no such word "Spiritualism/Spirituality" – Roohani or Roohaniyat exist in the basic source of Islam i.e. Quran. Regarding Spirit – Rooh, mankind know very little because Allah say..
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّن الْعِلْمِ إِلاَّ قَلِيل
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little. [AL-ISRA (ISRA', THE NIGHT JOURNEY, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL) Chapter 17 – Verse 85]
If the LORD himself is saying that we know very little about Soul then how would you define books after books written on Rooh or Roohaniyat. The feeling which you named as Spiritualism is called "Sukaina" which means higher state of peace of mind which is gifted by Allah to those who are drowned in remembrance of Allah [Zikr Illahi as prescribed by Prophet Mohammad -PBUH]
not through Chilla Wazefa [incantations] invented [Bida'at] by these Deviant Sufis. One such practice which is attributed to Junaid Baghdadi is to offer Sla'ah [Prayers] by hanging in well upside down and it is called Sala'at Al Ma'akoos.
Secondly which Traditionalist are you talking about ????? Amir – what are we debating that loving and healing powers of love of Fatimah,Ali Hassan,Hussain,Prophet Muhammad, All the books of Ahadees were written by SAHABEES kindly keep your Larger than clouds GINNIE of self dillusion inside your tunnel vision.[farrah shah]/and blasphemies against sahaba e kiram(ra) by molana syed abul aala modudi…[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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LARGER THAN CLOUDS GINNIE OF SELF DELUSIONAL TUNNEL VISION [FARRAH SHAH]
Traditionalists:
The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said : “The best of my nation is my generation then those who follow them and then those who follow them.” [Saheeh Bukhari]
And he also said, “Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that” [Bukhaaree and Muslim].
Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] advised us: “When my Companions are mentioned then withhold” [Saheeh, at-Tabaranee] .
Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people” [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee] .
Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him): “Do not revile my companions. By (Allah) in Whose Hand my soul is!, if any one of you spends gold (piled up) like (mount) ‘Uhud it will not equal a pint of any one of them, nor its half.” (al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu-Dawud, at-Tirmidhi Ibn Majah, Ibn Hanbal)
Prophet’s will in regard to them, as he said at Ghadir al-Khum : “I ask you by Allah to take care of my family I ask you by Allah to take care of my family.” ( Muslim )
[The Prophet] (peace be upon him) said to his uncle al-Abbas when he complained to him that some men of Quraysh resent Banu Hashim (the Prophet’s clan): “By (Allah) in Whose Hands my soul is! They will never be believers until they love you for the sake of my relationship to you.” (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and others)
The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) said: “Indeed, Allah chose the sons of isma’il, and from them He chose Kinanah, and from Kinanah He chose Quraish, and from Quraish he chose Banu Hashim, and from Banu Hashim He chose me.” (Reported by Muslim and Ibn Hanbal)
Best Regards.
Amir – what are we debating that loving and healing powers of love of Fatimah,Ali Hassan,Hussain,Prophet Muhammad, All the books of Ahadees were written by SAHABEES. kindly keep your Larger than clouds GINNIE of self dillusion inside your tunnel vision.[farrah shah]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
To Love Ahl Al Bayt is also ordered by Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and by the way these narrations are narrated by the Sahabees in Hadith books i.e. Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nisa'ai.
Amir – Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh) because he was at the purest.
Now how do you explain meeting or seeing Gabrial? Ascending to the sky? [Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah,
Very simple answer. It was a Physical Experience of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Lords blessings on Mohammad [PBUH] to shown him [PBUH] signs for warning the people.
…and blasphemies against sahaba e kiram(ra) by molana syed abul aala modudi…
Secondly which Traditionalist are you talking about ????? Amir – what are we debating that loving and healing powers of love of Fatimah,Ali Hassan,Hussain,Prophet Muhammad, All the books of Ahadees were written by SAHABEES. kindly keep your Larger than clouds GINNIE of self dillusion inside your tunnel vision.[farrah shah]
and blasphemies against sahaba e kiram(ra) by molana syed abul aala modudi…[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
I am talking about Traditionalists [Muhaddeseen] who compiled Hadiths of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] in Bukhari, Muslims, Tirmidhi and many others wherein [if you have Hadith books] you may find Specific Chapters on the Virtues of Ahl Al Bayt and Sahaba Kiram [in English under captioned Virtues of Companions – In Arabic Faza'al-e-Sahaba and Faza'al-e-Ahl-e-Bayt]. Muslim have been ordered therein in many Traditions [Hadith] by Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] not to mock or insult his Companions and Ahl Al Bayt and only utter good about them. [May Allah be pleased with all of them]
love for this world is the biggest fitna for the muslim. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
Dr jawwad agree with you .In the modern world we are enslaved by material.[Farrah Shah]
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Dear Friends,
World and Material are made for Mankind and through this world is Islam.n. No need of Asceticism.
ثُمَّ قَفَّيْنَا عَلَى آثَارِهِم بِرُسُلِنَا وَقَفَّيْنَا بِعِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ وَآتَيْنَاهُ الْإِنجِيلَ وَجَعَلْنَا فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُ رَأْفَةً وَرَحْمَةً وَرَهْبَانِيَّةً ابْتَدَعُوهَا مَا كَتَبْنَاهَا عَلَيْهِمْ إِلَّا ابْتِغَاء رِضْوَانِ اللَّهِ فَمَا رَعَوْهَا حَقَّ رِعَايَتِهَا فَآتَيْنَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنْهُمْ أَجْرَهُمْ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنْهُمْ فَاسِقُونَ
Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. But monasticism they invented – We ordained it not for them – only seeking Allah's pleasure, and they observed it not with right observance. So We give those of them who believe their reward, but many of them are evil-livers. [AL-HADID (THE IRON) Chapter 57 – Verse 27]
Those who claim that Islam brought a kind of monasticism are making a false claim, because monasticism is a part of the Christian religion, from whom some innovators among the Muslims adopted it, such as the Sufis.
If worldly affairs are so bad then why this Dua.
رَبَّنَا آتِنَا فِي الدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةً وَفِي الآخِرَةِ حَسَنَةً وَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّا
"Our Lord! Give unto us in the world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and guard us from the doom of Fire." [AL-BAQARA (THE COW) Chapter 2 – Verse 201]
One must strive for Halal Wealth for spending it on immediate family and in charity. Life must be enjoyed to the fullest.
Amir
Monasticism is utterly different from Sufism.
for Sufis ;Quran is the text book and Shariat is the solid foundation of principals to lead life.
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I know Traditionalists and of course their text books.
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There are so many issues tangled up in the argument you present:
I do not understand what do you wish to establish or which side of the argument you are pursuing?
1.to begin with there are difference among Shiates ,Sunnis and Wahabees :
Now we can bring scholars and quotes but these differences do exist. I with my humble knowledge and limited capacity of reasoning find no capacity to get into this debate over different sects.
It is a work of true dedication, workmanship and scholarly responsibility, which I cannot bear.
I accept these differences among various sects as present day reality. Unless there is a true debate and sincere efforts from all sides we cannot reach to the unified Truth ,reason Muslims have been corrupted by politics and are divided for the reasons to rule.
2.Sufism exists in Shiates and Sunnis,going to shrines and celebrating the URS procession was not as we know it today. It developed at the latter stages ,we do not find examples from the times of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as per my knowledge.
3.Sufism can be further divided into different ways:
Qalandar
Sufis
Pirs
Faqir
So now the points no 2 and 3 above are the Islamic ways of life which are open to various criticism and discussion. There is deep cultural , social,religious and moral influence on the evolution of these which is embedded in Islam and History…..and actually so is Wahabism.
I think the biggest miracle of Islam is that it was practiced at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) .Through the life and character of Prophet (pbuh) we have seen the supreme example of perfection and practicality of Quranic laws.The Unipolar world is forcing us to embrace each other come closer at the same time respect each other, keep our distance and we should have a mutual consensus among ourselves regarding the realities of today ?
The reality is because of one incident of twin towers, Muslims are killing each other for past nine years in Asia.
Before that it was Iran and Iraq war than Afghan war with Russia and even before that World war which divided Islamic countries…….why is my question?????yet Islam is fast becoming the most practiced religion in the World.
Are we going to segregate and alienate each other ,finding the answers in the books of the past ,their references and quotes are good ,laws are based on history but we must move forward with them.
Muslims have to concentrate on the politics and challenges of today.
Mosque is a Mosque; Shrine is a Shrine, both places of worship and offering of prayers why Muslims should be a party in looting, plundering plotting or slaughtering of other Muslims.
This is the challenge, how do we stop it?Allah has laid the principals in Quran and Prophet pbuh demonstrated it .Allah has also given us common sense and brain to act ,react and re-organise ourselves to meet the challenges of today and future.
Ahadees help us build our personal character and faith how we adapt ourselves to present day challenges is our reality.
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In the modern world we are enslaved by material.[Farrah Shah]
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When I say the above ,i despise the world where i have to pay the bill for warm water,even for drinking water,I despise the world where there are no more trees with free fruits or berries,there are no more free streams of fresh water ,we cannot even go to jungle for a walk there is a fear of persecution and police ,we are charged at every little offense .the state has become a big brother with the cameras in every street.
so if I am working …I am workingto pay the bills,food bills,gas bills,water bills,electricity bills, and than taxes ,so in the world I have to pay for the bottle of drink or the bucket of water with which I take shower……..in the name of freedom ,Capitalist society has enslaved me ………
I do not understand what do you wish to establish or which side of the argument you are pursuing? [Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
How can I debate when relevant comments of mine are deleted by Dr Awab Alwi. I am amazed he is allowing outright verbal abuses and personal, racial attack but deleting Quranic Verses and that too when I try to answer you. I hope Dr Awab would give justification for removing my comment which were more than relevant to Ms Farrah Shah's question.
Are we going to segregate and alienate each other ,finding the answers in the books of the past ,[Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah,
Quran is also a book of the past but we don't discard it by declaring that it is old.
On this very forum Mr Awab 'managed' debate on Freedom of Expression whereas my two relevant comments on Sufis and that Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] are dead and we cannot seek their help, were removed. I wonder why????
Amir – Monasticism is utterly different from Sufism. for Sufis ;Quran is the text book and Shariat is the solid foundation of principals to lead life. [Ms Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
But Sufis are indulged in everything which has been detested in Quran. Do you know Ali Hajweri wasnot even married. Sufi avoid Nikah and termed it Fitnah [Turbulence] and they also say that marriage and nikah are obstruction between Man and Allah. Read the below mentioned book and you would be ashamed to know how shameless these Sufis and Sufism is.
References: Talbees Iblees – Arabic [The Devil's Deception] by Ibn al-Jawzee – English Translations of Talbees Iblees [The Devil's Deception] A – Translated By D.S. Margoliouth Edited By N.K. Singh Published In India, B – Translated Dr. Bilal Philips'.
Dear Ms. Farrah and Dear Mr Jawwad,
Book is as under for download and reading:
Talbees Iblees – Arabic [The Devil's Deception] by Ibn al-Jawzee – English Translations of Talbees Iblees [The Devil's Deception] Translated Dr. Bilal Philips’.
http://kalamullah.com/Books/Devils%20Deception%20…
THE ALI MAULA……MUSHKIL KUSHA……..you will get more wisdom,more spiritual contentment and relief from the burdens of the books. [Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] or even Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] cannot help anybody now because they both are dead.
Dead cannot listen:
وَالَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ لاَ يَخْلُقُونَ شَيْئًا وَهُمْ يُخْلَقُونَ
أَمْواتٌ غَيْرُ أَحْيَاء وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
Those unto whom they cry beside Allah created naught, but are themselves created. (They are) dead, not living. And they know not when they will be raised. [AN-NAHL (THE BEE) Chapter 16 Verse 20 and 21]
إِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى وَلَا تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا وَلَّوْا مُدْبِرِينَ
Lo! thou canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call when they have turned to flee; [AL-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS) Chapter 27 Verse 80]
THE ALI MAULA……MUSHKIL KUSHA…[Farrah Shah].
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Dear Ms Farrah,
Only Allah helps:
وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ اللّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلاَ كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدُيرٌ
If Allah touch thee with affliction, there is none that can relieve therefrom save Him, and if He touch thee with good fortune (there is none that can impair it); for He is Able to do all things. [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 Verse 17]
THE ALI MAULA……MUSHKIL KUSHA…you will get more wisdom,more spiritual contentment and relief from the burdens of the books. [Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah,
Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] or even Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] cannot guide us from their graves, indeed their Authentic Sayings are Light for us. Wisdom can be achieved by reciting these verses.
رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي
وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي
وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِّن لِّسَانِي
يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
O my Lord! Expand my breast for me, And ease my task for me; And loose a knot from my tongue, That they may understand my saying. [TA-HA (TA-HA) Chapter 20 Verses 25, 26, 27, 28]
رَّبِّ زِدْنِي عِلْمً
O my Lord ! increase me in knowledge. [TA-HA (TA-HA) Chapter 20 Verse 114]
Amir
Again what is the punch line that I am a student in the way of Suism and you are not.
It is fine by me .
Allah alone can Guide us ,He is the sole Protector and Provider ,the life and spirit belongs to HIM.
Now how Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Ali Maula are able to help me from their graves that is not a matter of understanding from you.
For you do not know what sort of help and guidance I need at any time.
@farrah shah!
what you have done!!!!
i was enjoying the peace of mind…
Amir
Amir
Ali HAjwari was not married?
What sort of allegation is this.
Does it make him less of a scholar ?
Does it make him less spiritual person?
In his book Kashaf Ul Mahjoub he has said marriage is essential.
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Gays around the world think Rumi wrote poetry for them……..does it matter the world knows it is spiritual.
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Gays around the world think Rumi wrote poetry for them……..does it matter the world knows it is spiritual. [Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah Shah,
If i would have loved boys then i would n't have taken refuge of Mathnavi Mawlana Rum for pederasty. I would have done so at my own risk without taking the cover of Religion. By the way you should have read your statement below before writing the above comment: Quran is the text book and Shariat is the solid foundation of principals to lead life. [Ms Farrah Shah]
Amir
You are in a totally different frame of mind.You are focusing on contesting
when I am constantly polite.
Rumi is loved by gays and whoever the point is Rumi was a spiritualist and his message reaches to all human.
That is what Sufis are ,it is their universality and love of humanity which makes them acceptable and they spread the love and peace.
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Now you have complaint earlier that Dr.Awab has deleted your comments .Do you realise that you used very provocative language.
I am glad Awab did some editing of your comments.
You do not agree with Sufis .That is fine leave them in peace.That is all I am asking.
Let us agree to disagree.
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Rise above your anger and do not be blinded by your own intellect.the biggets hindrance in self discovery is our own self.
Dialogue was not about testing you or me .It is just a platform to share ,learn and understand.
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……..and the punch line is Iran and Pakistan must work together and we must not givein to Sectarian intolerance or violence.
Now you have complaint earlier that Dr.Awab has deleted your comments .Do you realise that you used very provocative language.[Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah,
Awab Sahab should have used this censorship when abusive language was being used on this forum. By the way I had just quoted the Original Quotes of Sufis.
Now you have complaint earlier that Dr.Awab has deleted your comments .Do you realise that you used very provocative language.[Farrah Shah]
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Dear Ms Farrah,
One of my message carried quotes from Quran and Hadith. I hope both are not provocative for you???
Aamir Mughal sb –
I truly have not deliberately edited / deleted any of your comments. As I have simply dont have the energy to go through the extensively copy/pasted material that you post in rebuttal to other commenters on this blog. Ive come to a point that I think its time to request you – to stop copy/pasting endless paragraphs of text in your comments – since its generally a short personal comment from you (above the ======= line) and then the remaining bulk of your argument is anything but a proper response (copy/paste)
I can only issue you a short friendly and polite request / warning otherwise i feel I need to curtail this endless debate that you continue to engage upon here on the blog –
I do this NOT in any form of censorship but more as a response to draw the line of how any debate progresses on this blog trying to bring into conformity that a more human discussion appears and NOT be overwhelmed by endless paragraphs of a copy/paste frenzy
and the punch line is Iran and Pakistan must work together and we must not givein to Sectarian intolerance or violence. [Farrah Shah]
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Agreed.
I can only issue you a short friendly and polite request / warning [Awab]
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Dear Sir,
I agree but what about Deleting/Censoring/Friendly/Polite/Request/Warning regarding Verbal Abuse, Ethnic Jokes, Racial Attack, and Personal Attack. Did you ever find a single personal comment of mine against any of the members here. Sir, when you discuss Islam then what should I do? Should I give my personal opinion over Quran and Hadith or give the proper references and that have to be copy paste. You are lecturing me about decency and politeness but have you ever intervened when verbal abuse were freely being used?
You started Debate on Blasphemy Law. For that one has to use Quran and Hadith [its far better than using verbal abuse]. Have you ever drawn the line when bad language is openly used.