My first Op-Ed for Express Tribune Flogging my Sentiments has been published in the Saturdays The Express Tribune, talking about the ever controversial flogging video which has already been extensively debated on my blog running into a very heated debate. In the Op-ed I again take a swing accusing the Pakistan Army and our covert agencies to have leveraged this video to swing the nations sentiment allowing them a more free hand in waging the war in our northern areas of Pakistan > Flogging my Sentiments on Express Tribune
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In the Op-ed I again take a swing accusing the Pakistan Army and our covert agencies to have leveraged this video to swing the nations sentiment [Awab]
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A glimpse to support Aawab's view.
Ex-MI chief Nadeem Ijaz ordered CPO to wash Benazir murder scene Saturday, April 17, 2010 By Tariq Butt http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?I…
Mullahs didn't even touch her.
@Mughal Cut Pastia!
This is serious discussion. I am afraid that your long cut paste type comments will make the serious readers run away from here. Please don't take it negative but your long and unfocused cut-paste comments are not good for the health of serious discussions for which Awab deserve high appreciations
Talkhaba says: April 17, 2010 at 3:38 pm @Mughal Cut Pastia!
This is serious discussion. I am afraid that your long cut paste type comments will make the serious readers run away from here. Please don’t take it negative but your long and unfocused cut-paste comments are not good for the health of serious discussions for which Awab deserve high appreciations
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Are you the moderator?
Good stuff doc in the op ed!!
Too many "may"s, Doc!
It was nothing more that a puppy-snuff-video.
In the Op-ed I again take a swing accusing the Pakistan Army and our covert agencies to have leveraged this video to swing the nations sentiment [Awab]
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You did it Dr Awab: General Kayani apologises over civilian deaths Saturday, 17 Apr, 2010 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Kiyani is learning well from his masters. At first deny, deny, deny; when it becomes absolutely clear you killed innocents, apologize (but play down the number of dead); continue killing…
nota says: – April 17, 2010 at 8:08 pm – Kiyani is learning well from his masters. At first deny, deny, deny; when it becomes absolutely clear you killed innocents, apologize (but play down the number of dead); continue killing…
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Yes and to cool down the criticism, the spade work must continue like this one: 41 IDPs killed as bombers target camp
Updated at: 1705 PST, Saturday, April 17, 2010 http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=103061
Pakistan Who Killed Hayat Ullah Who Is Killing Innocnt Men and Women in Pakistan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67qtNcivo8
Ask kiyani if someone killed his only son through rash driving ,would he accept apology of such deadly mistake.
Nobody is asking him sir the casualties are human beings just like you.
If he is really a Muslim he must know that Islam follows the proper system of justice in which either blood for blood or eye for an eye should be implemented other wise the day Allah would streamline His system of justice, his all apology would be ineffective.
If he doesn't believe in simple philosophy of Islamic justice he can ask the pain of suffering of general masood ex core commander of Peshawar.His only son was brutally killed by identifying him through his photo in prade lane mosque incident just located to a kilometer away from giant set up of GHQ.
I think our comments have no value on the obseravtion of raheem yousuf zia on this deadly game of hide and seek .
See how correctly he correlated in this article that sacrifices of some security guards and locals are made to cover up crimes of army and US.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/apr2010-daily/17-04-2…
Nazia says: – April 18, 2010 at 10:55 pm – Ask kiyani if someone killed his only son through rash driving ,would he accept apology of such deadly mistake.
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Last year when Sufi Muhammad was declaring everyone a Kaafir, the same Munawar Hasan had said this: Sufi might have been a little ‘Kafir’ too: Munawar News Desk Thursday, April 23, 2009 [The News International] Munawar Hassan, Sufi Muhammad, Jamat-e-Islami, Mullahs & Calamity of Takfir (Apostasy) – 1 http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/munawar-…
Munawar and JI are praising Sufi Muhammad at present but Qazi Hussain Ahmed had condemned Sufi Muhammad, saying that Sufi is an Army Agent [Courtesy – Dawn] Syed Munawar Hassan, Jamat-e-Islami, Pakistan Army & Intelligence Agencies http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/syed-mun…
It depicts the general confusion prevalent in our society, almost like UN's murder investigation report. Collateral failure of rationale behind righteousness and salvation. Talking of righteousness (operation rah e rast), the following piece gauges its effectiveness.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
@Rehan Ali
"the following piece gauges its effectiveness."
Funny I was just talking about it…
Sharing a letter to the Editor in response to this article
yeah!!!!
i finally figured out who is the most trusted person in Pakistan —>Muslim Khan part of same taliban who claimed a newyork shooting killing 10+ people which fbi said was done by a local. coooooolllllll!!!!!
guys they r in a state of war and now they also want this war to be dragged either for revenge or for something else. we need to think our way out of this war with safety (if something is left in us to protect).
Another letter to the editor
What is most interesting is that suddenly we are being told by everyone supporting the Samar Minallah version — including Samar Minallah herself — that Muslim Khan is the most trustworthy person out there and the flag-bearer of "Truth"!
Wow! That to me is amazing!!! Maybe we ought to start putting "Hazrat" in front of Muslim Khan 🙂
@Arsalan Khan
"Pakistan so naïve and innocent that they don’t believe – with all the evidence at hand – that the Taliban can in fact do barbaric acts? Have not their suicide attacks killed and maimed thousands of Pakistanis? Why is it so hard for us to believe that they wouldn’t flog a girl?"
Well no one id denying "the Taliban can in fact do barbaric acts" and I don't know why every baboo comes up with this stupid argument. And no one is denying that they would "flog a girl" (And wonder why you guys did not make any big issue out of the much more barbaric throat-slitting videos — there were plenty around at the time); the issue is that particular flogging that was clearly STAGED (and edited, with screams added) and the video not highlighted till it was of use (it was at least 3 months old some say even 9 months or more).
MQM busy target killing:
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/4-18-2010/pic.asp?picnam…
@Arslan Khan
"Pakistan so naïve and innocent that they don’t believe – with all the evidence at hand – that the Taliban can in fact do barbaric acts? Have not their suicide attacks killed and maimed thousands of Pakistanis? Why is it so hard for us to believe that they wouldn’t flog a girl?”
Pakistanis are unanimous in condemning the suicide attacks but are not naive to be manipulated through fake videos. No person, no matter how strong can sit up straight after 34-37 lashes. Secondly, all the media citing a common source reported nothing about any father in law but an unidentified man who was also flogged and according to BBC made to marry the girl. Now, both of them have disappeared. Why don't the media bring them to front as the journalists seem to have known them quite well.
I was expecting some serious discussion on the issue, guess ET only reaches a certain class of people having little information about internal status quo and strifes of Pakistani society.
Rehan
There is no history of flogging in this area in long history of this area.
Here tribes, villages and jirgas have different kind of traditions to handle such crimes of adultery and illicit relations.When taliabn started flogging stonning and beheading like scenes?it is difficult to say but it is failure of local security agencies who gave easy way to these groups to harass the public.
25000 army men were deputed since the time of Musharraf but it didnt help to stop killings of people who are against talibans, destruction of educational institute and humiliation of dead bodies of locals to harass the locals.
So our govt fully contributed in this lawlessness and escalation of such harassed environment all over the valley.Such movie has only a place of last nail of coffin in which peace of valley was buried before last assault.
@Iqbal Akhund
You are very right of blowing schools and this continues till today. Every now and than there is an attack on a school building, which by virtue of the following excerpt from Arundhati Roy's essay seems to be a regional tactic, doesn't it?
The PLGA entered the compound, cordoned off the annexe in which the girls lived, and attacked the barracks. 55 policemen and SPOs were killed. None of the girls was hurt. (The candid SP of Dantewara had shown me his Power Point presentation with horrifying photographs of the burned, disemboweled bodies of the policemen amidst the ruins of the blown up school building. They were so macabre, it was impossible not to look away. He looked pleased at my reaction.)
"Across the Indravati river, in the area controlled by the Maoists, is the place the police call ‘Pakistan’. There the villages are empty, but the forest is full of people. Children who ought to be in school, run wild. In the lovely forest villages, the concrete school buildings have either been blown up and lie in a heap, or they’re full of policemen."
At Rani Bodili, PLGA attacked the barracks inside an education center and killed 55 policemen and SPOs. The candid SP of Dantewara had shown me his Power Point presentation with horrifying photographs of the burned, disemboweled bodies of the policemen amidst the ruins of the blown up school building. They were so macabre, it was impossible not to look away. He looked pleased at my reaction.)
"The attack on Rani Bodili caused an uproar in the country. Human Rights organizations condemned the Maoists not just for their violence, but also for being anti-education and attacking schools."
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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Let me just present my 'distorted' view on 'schools' being destroyed (No I am NOT defending blowing them up but I know I will be accused of it anyway 🙂 ):
‘2,648 dilapidated school, college buildings in Sindh’
From today's paper:
Landlords occupy 1,700 schools (in Sindh), says minister
Balochistan has 3,500 Ghost Schools
(not to talk about the state of those that are not so)
1122 primary and secondary schools and 22,300 teachers were found "ghost" in Punjab and 600 schools and 9,000 teachers in Sindh.
And schools that are there, they are mostly like this:
Government Girls School No water, toilet
Government Girls School No water, toilet
Rains worsen conditions at Attock school
Hoax of parah likha Punjab led to poll defeat
http://isamaa.tv/isamaa/images/thumbs/2010-04/201… http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/34d557004db03…
If one is to blow up these school, is one blowing up anything? Is he doing something nasty or doing a service? 😉
Also keep in mind that majority of our schools DO NOT have a building — it is just open ground — so there is nothing to blow up even if one wanted to.
My question is: So who's the bigger enemy of schools; Who has destroyed more?? Seriously!
Oh, I forgot NWFP so I thought I'd add that too…
ABOUT 8,000 ghost schools exist in the NWFP
(If you blow up a ghost school, does it make any sound? :-P)
Sorry but just found another interesting article talking about the subject and it links back to Teeth story on ghost schools as well:
From unemployed teachers to ghost schools in Pakistan
My comments on original article by Dr Awab in The Express Tribune
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I disagree with Ayesha Ijaz Khan that “Dr Awab is trying to put forth his own “liberal” credentials. Everyone admits that Taliban have defamed religion through their savage actions, this is what Dr Awab accepts and but he is not ready to accept that those who produced this flogging video have nothing to do with the exposition of savage Talibans instead they want to defame Islam in the grab of Talibani acts. Indeed, the more you ridicule Islam, the more you receive funds from the donors of NGOs who unfortunately mostly comes from the Christian world known as the West. How many protests demonstration have been held in Islamabad by the NGOs for the trial of Muslim Khan and his colleagues and their subsequent execution? In fact he has admitted the “real Video”? He has been a spokesman of Taliban who are the “enemies of Woman”? Why didn’t they follow up the Sui motto actions?
Here are some technical questions [credit, Dr Amir] regarding the Fake Video.
How can a mobile camera record such a high quality voice [note that the video shows that it has been shot from a distance of four to ten meters]? If such high quality voice can be recorded from a cell phone camera then it’s certainly“good news” for those who want to have their own production houses but can’t afford costly cameras.
There is no variation in Chand BB’s sound which proves it unnatural. No one who is beaten or being flogged would cry on the same pitch. This is called “Bhund” in language of TV production and Samar should have kept this in mind as it was very necessary for proving the fake video real.
The person gripping Chand BB’s legs is constantly looking towards the director and is not paying heed to how many time the girls has been flogged. Again a major Bhund. All players except this guy have acted well.
The Cell phone camera remains unmoved; we see mobile videos on TV channel. Have never seen such great camera work, which can be done by none other than a professional camera man.
Where has the natural sound gone? Again a major Bhund.
How come Chand BB stood straight after being flogged? She must be Hercules women and her name should be registered with the Guinness books of World Record. The cry of Chand BB has remained the same from the moment she received the first lash to her entering into the house. It is post production work. “Chand” BB has recorded this voice later but again a poor work by the poor guys.
The admission by Muslim Khan [ mind no one has questioned where has he gone after being arrested, no one has demanded his execution, Muslim Khan is from secular PPP background and has spent nearly a decade in the US] itself make it doubtful.
The insistence of Rehman Malik, who is great liar also prove that the video is fake. The society journalist must not forget that he has been denying the presence of Backwaters /Xe Services despite the fact that Americans have admitted it.
The present DPO Qazi Jameel has confirmed the fake flogging.
Oh,once again Samar's mouthpiece Nazia is again to defend a culprit.
Well, due to cunning attempt of Samar to defame Islam, I would rather call her "azab MinAllah" because crooks like her are really the 'fitnas' already prophesied by Muhammad several centuries ago
Adnan
Allah has also given you that piece which we call mouth so you can also use it as per your mental approach.
If I am favoring fitnas and culprits then who is stopping you and your mouth piece to favor angels and nobles of this society.
Let the devils and evils, over powered by your spiritual and holy beings through your support.
I will shut my mouthpiece when you would expose your supporting ideals.
LOL
Nazia, these "women"ish tactics don't make any difference. Come up with solid arguments. You are not battling with some of your neighbor lady over some dispute. This is a political issue and discuss it accordingly
Adnan
Who wants to create difference through womanish tactics.
is it me???
I am not battling with anyone but responding you in similar tone.
our whole politics is based on political skills of fauzia wahib, nargis ashiq awan, marvi meemon and kashmala like women and no one beat them in political issues .
By the way this is no way a poltical but purely military issue and you people are trying to cover up the mess of army in swat through your imagined azab e minhalla.
If you have courage try to focus what azab our miltiary has created there and how can we overcome its heat of reaction which will create more problems in coming days.
Another Drama Colonel Imam [Amir Sultan Tarar], Squadron Leader Khalid Khwaja and Journalist Asad Qureshi kidnapped by "Taliban" Monday, April 19, 2010, Jamadi-ul-Awwal 04, 1431 A.H http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
Ex-ISI officials, journalists missing in North Waziristan Thursday, April 08, 2010 By Mushtaq Yusufzai http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=233…
Former Pakistani Officer Embodies a Policy Puzzle By CARLOTTA GALL Published: March 3, 2010 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/world/asia/04im…
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan — With his white turban, untrimmed beard and worn army jacket, the man known uniformly here by his nom de guerre, Col. Imam, is a particular Pakistani enigma. A United States-trained former colonel in Pakistan’s spy agency, he spent 20 years running insurgents in and out of Afghanistan, first to fight the Soviet Army, and later to support the Taliban, as Pakistani allies, in their push to conquer Afghanistan in the 1990s.
the women you mentioned are themselves disgraced to women community. See how Firdous called Kashmala a "Bazri Aurat" was fun to watch
If you have courage try to focus what azab our miltiary has created there and how can we overcome its heat of reaction which will create more problems in coming da
Was tat not you who few days back were praising Military for operation? and now you are saying this? are you usually high or tumhara koi deen Imaan nahin?
Adnan
Over my deadbody I can ever support any kind of miltiary operation in my own land on my people.I am always against such senseless and brutal combats in which we are facing two sides losses.One side our trained sons of soils are killing in mission of doing coincident in our own land.
That is why our real history are never taught to young cadets of kakool in which they can easily asses that this is same theme in which our army was prepared to take guns and hatred against bengalis in 1971 and we had divided this land further on ethnic basis and now our trained warriors are doing same for pukthoon culture in our norther side.
Mughal already highlighted the right picture of militarism and its foxy games which you army lovers are trying to hide under skin of azab minahlla.
Dont worry about my deen iman I am well preserving it in its real place and never think of using it to spread it as hate culture among communities.
@Nazia
"Over my deadbody I can ever support any kind of miltiary operation in my own land on my people.I am always against such senseless and brutal combats in which we are facing two sides losses."
now thats the spirit. no matter how much worse the situation is brutal killings and indiscriminate bombings in and out will not solve the problem. it will only increase it.
In 2001 Howard Zinn wrote in his article on so called war on terror:
" This war amounts to a gross violation of human rights, and it will produce the exact opposite of what is wanted: It will not end terrorism; it will proliferate terrorism."
These women are your hot political figure.
and give you solid politcal issues on daily basis
Kashmala is one of favourite of musharf.
Marvi is adopted girl of chaudry's.
nargis is blue lady of zardari or might be future first lady of Pakistan as zardari should consider her efforts of her indefinite and unlimited love for him and his party through her verabl skills.
She would save him more than what Bhutto had done for him.
Nazia, was that not you who was whistling that army successfully eliminated "Talibans" with the help of operation?
Adnan
In which dream world you are living ?
our army is not our pet who acts on whistling or listen the code of ethics.
They act on the green signal of god fathers and driving force for them is dollar funds.
Have you read this
Pakistan and United States signed a contract for the transfer of the guided-missile frigate USS McInerney here on Tuesday.
Have your army ever used a single modern weapons and arms against local enemies in last seven years.
In this conventional war you are using old guerrilla tactics with human bombs.Along with this failed intelligence network and poor performance of LEA are still showing obsolete trends in our system.
We have spent our major portion of resources on buying latest weapons and arms which are becoming obsolete and useless while keeping them secure in our warehouses.
Some of those have been thrown on swat valley for showing your heroic strategies to poor swatis.
So for whom you signed such an expensive deal.
So you see these are dollar and arms deals over our dead bodies that make this merry go round in our system.
I have tried my best to derail you from your thoughts and imaginary obsessions but I think I need more time and stamina to carry on my mission.
I just want to see you and others like you to get the practical approach in real life and feel the bitterness of surrounding which is becoming more painful with the passage of time.
I have tried my best to derail you from your thoughts and imaginary obsessions but I think I need more time and stamina to carry on my mission
You keep living in your delusional world,respected spokesman of AzabMinAllah. And I know your mission, to hide the filth of Azab MinAllah
It was not happened in imagination that Musharraf was challenged and toppled by group of lawyers under minhallah like unarmed lawyers. so this name was like azabe Musharraf like that.
In this open culture of media no one can hide of filth of others so if you think minhalla was doing shit or unsuccessful in his mission then why Musharraf your favorite buddy is out of country and still afraid of retuning back to his newly built chak shazad villa.Even he doesn't bother about his mother who had become use to of first class protocol in army house and is no passing quite lower status in Karachi DHA house with out his caring son.
I am known in my circle for my openness and boldness and sometime very reactive against aggressive people who try to bully the weak genders living around them.
I fully endorse my favor to lawyers movement and what ever I am seeing happening in SC these days, I am still proud that I was on streets for right cause.
I dont accept miracles from weak humans but dreaming and hoping for lawful attitude from state people is right of all educated persons who want to live and die as Pakistani.
So hoping for a drop of rain in drought season or a desire of single ray of light in complete darkness are signs of optimism and no way consider as living in delusional world.
I am still on my way and you can enjoy your dawn and dusk dating time as per your nature.It is not my fault but serious malfunction in your inbuilt habits of taunting others just for sake of timely pleasures.
This piece comes a disappointment; it is ironic that avid readers can even fall prey to militant propaganda, sir this flogging the truth! Can it be disputed that these militants are no different than barbarians who have no ounce of respect for human life? The adhere to no code of ethics? They abide by no human courtesy? And Islam is distorted for their political goals, sadly at the end of the day it is reality which is being denied time and again
Sadia,
You disappointed that the truth came out?
You are disappointed because there could be something different and true from your brain-washed perceptions?