Ahmedis expelled from Medical College

great job.These ppl should be kicked out of pakistan as well and go to israel or anywhere but not in Pakistan

Some details here;

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100421613&Date=20080608&Issue=NP_LHE

No entry for clerics: Health Additional Secretary Saeed Nawaz told Daily Times that a meeting would be held with the PMC principal on the issue. He said that the department was sympathetic to Ahmadi students. He said that local cleric should not address students in college mosques.

hmmm…

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C06%5C08%5Cstory_8-6-2008_pg7_24

I don’t consider Qadyanis Muslims but kicking them just because they were talking about their belief with others is not good at all. This is not in Islam at all. I think it was rather good if they were discussing their belief as there were chances that Muslims could help them to teach them the forgotten lesson and they could revert back to Islam. Afsos that IJT’s bastardness did a pathetic job in Pakistan.

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Ahmadi’s are decleared non Muslim under our law but we can not take away their citizenship on basis of being non-muslim, they have equal rights to follow their religion and preach it, one might disagree on this point but this is guranteed by our constition.

On other hand Madoodi-ism is no better then Ahmadi’s, why Islami Jamiat Talba can preach the Madoodi version of distorted Islam on gun point, the simple difference between two is that IJT has guns and Talibans on their back and its an admitted fact that we are more welcomming to guns.

The basic issue is to completely ban all sort of propaganda, all organisations and entry of all so called religious leaders in educational institutions, if we allow the Hafiz Sulaman Butt of Jamat Islami to make speaches and provide arms to IJT and ban Ahmadi’s from doing so, its completely unfair and unconstitutional.

If someone of you hav wittnessed how Jamait operates in our universities, how many innocent students are killed by them, how many torcherd and expelled on gun point, you will agree with my point.

I would suggest a ban on Jamiat as well.

good step by the college auth.
appreciated

Ahmadis in Pakistan, Bahais in Iran and Wahabis in Arabia are all suspected to be colonial inventions, there are other sects in Pakistan that could also fall under the same category but are better protected!!

On the other hand fundamentalist Muslim clergy also does not have a glorious record and had their own collaborators with colonial powers and today their negative influence in the Muslim societies is far greater than that of any of these sects whose usefulness for the colonial power at least today might be over! But who knows..

However, one thing is sure that to deny people fundamental rights because of their religious beliefs or to harm and discriminate them in any way what so ever, when there is no evidence that they have done any thing to harm the country, is unjustifiable and against all norms of decency and principals. As for the democratic values of the society, what to expect from ordinary people if the university students are to behave in this way?

I do not support IJT, but at the same time just the name IJT doesn’t make me to assume all kind of ‘basterdness’ coming out of that group, as suggested by Adnan Siddiqui.

I have no sympthay for Qadiani’s tearing off ‘Khatm-e-Naboat’ posters.

It easy to get emotional but before making some serious comments I need to know the whole truth.

Should have suspended them, instead, Why so much hatred against non-muslims?

“I have no sympthay for Qadiani’s tearing off ‘Khatm-e-Naboat’ posters.”

How about sympathy for tearing off a poster that depicts prophet’s cartoons?

If your feelings have suddenly changed after reading above sentence and you are now in favour of tearing down such a poster then understand that your sense of fairness is clouded by your emotions. A poster with prophet’s cartoons deserves to be torn off but so is a khatm-e-nabuwat (in other words anti-Qadiani) poster which falls in a similar category of insulting a set of beliefs.

Everyone has a right to be treated with respect and their beliefs not insulted especially in a place where they have no choice but to turn up, such as work place or educational institutions. That is why there are codes of conduct against discrimination on religious grounds in many civilised countries. In UK for example both of the above mentioned kinds of posters will clearly fall under hate crime, which they are. That is why you don’t see non-Muslim majority students beating up Muslim students in western world.

Bottom line: If you are offended by a publication and demand its ban then you must not insult others in the same way. It is really not a case of religions at all but of respect and fairness.

Malik,

You need to get some basic education. Christianlity doesn’t mean that one has to draw anti-Muhammad Cartoons to practice his religion.

So you are suggesting that Muslims should give up the concept of Khatm-e-Nabuat in order to be labelled as fair?

If thats the case, I don’t need the label of being fair, I would rather die as Muslim than wanting the LABEL of FAIRNESS FROM YOUR MAJESTY.

Long live AbuBakar and the Sahaba who fought the False Prophets like Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani.

“You need to get some basic education. Christianlity doesn’t mean that one has to draw anti-Muhammad Cartoons to practice his religion.”

I am not sure people who do cartoon are Christian or Jewish or even if they have any religion at all. Point is those who do cartoons will find a reason to justify doing that. Question is how do you tackle such people? What are the ground rules or principals that you would want these guys to abide by? But what good are those principals if you yourself don’t abide by them?

Your solution may be to kill anyone that you disagree with (at least in the religious arena) and same is perhaps Mr Bush’s in his crusade against Muslim countries (I am sure Mr Bush thinks he is right too).

I however would prefer a non-violent solution to this clash of civilisations/religions if possible. If only all sides would agree. My hopes remain.

As a Pakistani, Ahmedis are our brothers and sisters. Even if they have been termed non-Muslims by Pakistani law, that does not mean that their rights as a human being or as a citizen are less than their Muslim counterparts.

This is a shameful incident. The principal of the college and the terrorists of Jamiat must be ashamed of their actions. (By the way, this is a sequel of what they did to Imran Khan.)

Sad incidence. This is how we disgrace Islam and nation as Muslims. What’s the point of disregarding and disowning rights as citizen of Pakistan?
It is a embarrassing episode for all nation and specially so called Muslims scholars, who deliver speeches but acts in a way that is against the ideology of Pakistan and Islamic preaching and theme.
Under no circumstances such acts should be owned .any body that abrogates and involve in activity to create mess against Pakistan and Islam should ideally be treated as traitor. The constitution of Pakistan awards protection to all resident of Pakistan and one who abrogates is not less than the dictator.

article3.
Elimination of exploitation
The State shall ensure the elimination of all forms of exploitation and the gradual fulfilment of the fundamental principle, from each according to his ability to each according to his work.

Article 4.
Right of individuals to be dealt with in accordance with law, etc.
(1)
To enjoy the protection of law and to be treated in accordance with law is the inalienable right of every citizen, wherever he may be, and of every other person for the time being within Pakistan.
(2)
In particular :-
(a)
no action detrimental to the life, liberty, body, reputation or property of any person shall be taken except in accordance with law;
(b)
no person shall be prevented from or be hindered in doing that which is not prohibited by law; and
(c)
no person shall be compelled to do that which the law does not require him to do.

article20.
Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
Subject to law, public order and morality:-
(a)
every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion; and
(b)
every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.

article22.
Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc.
(1)
No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than his own.
(2)
In respect of any religious institution, there shall be no discrimination against any community in the granting of exemption or concession in relation to taxation.
(3)
Subject to law:
(a)
no religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and
(b)
no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of race, religion, caste or place of birth.

(4)
Nothing in this Article shall prevent any public authority from making provision for the advancement of any socially or educationally backward class of citizens.

Article 25. Equality of citizens.
(1) All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law.
(2) There shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex alone.
(3) Nothing in this Article shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the protection of women and children.

article27.
Safeguard against discrimination in services.
(1)
No citizen otherwise qualified for appointment in the service of Pakistan shall be discriminated against in respect of any such appointment on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth.
Provided that, for a period not exceeding [16][forty] years from the commencing day, posts may be reserved for persons belonging to any class or area to secure their adequate representation in the service of Pakistan:
Provided further that, in the interest of the said service, specified posts or services may be reserved for members of either sex if such posts or services entail the performance of duties and functions which cannot be adequately performed by members of the other sex.
(2)
Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent any Provincial Government, or any local or other authority in a Province, from prescribing, in relation to any post or class of service under that Government or authority, conditions as to residence in the Province. for a period not exceeding three years, prior to appointment under that Government or authority.

ASLAM_U_ALEIKUM!

i m here 2 comment on dr.razahaidar’s comments,MashALLAH my brother has knowlege of constitution of PAK..sorry 2 say but i have 2 say that ye Ahmedi log minority nahi balki fitna ha,shayad fitna ki definition kernay ki zarorat nahi ha..me thorri c history bata doon jo sab jantay hi hon ge.
qadiyani angrezon ki paidawar hein jo sirf iss liye paida kiya gaye k wo pareshan they k ye muslim itnay muthid hein in ko torra kesay jaye,unhon ne merza gulam jo qadiyaan ka rehnay wala tha usay ye kaam sonpa k muslamano k faith ko kharab kerna ha….or uss banday nein (nauzobillah)kabhi apnay aap ko HAZRAT MUHAMMED(PBUH) kaha(naouzobillah) kabhi wo Isaa-Ibn-e-maryem bana,uss ne kalma badla,quran me apni addition ki….in short itnaa fitna phelaya ki ALLAH ki panna…..ye sab batana isliye zarori ha ki kisi chez pe comment kernay se pehlay uss pe thorri boht tehqeeq zaroor honi chahiye,,,app jo b in comments ko parrhay plz tehqeeq karain….
hum kabhi b apnay kisi dushman ko apnay ghar rakhain ge bhalla?koi nahi chahta k fitna uss k ghar per parwaan charrhay phir ham in qadiyaaniyoon ko minorites k rights de kar kiyoon apnay ghar me ghusa rahay hein?…
in ki jitni tazlil karo ge utna accha ha,FSB me jo hoa accha hoa…
Dr.sahib apnay constitution ka hawala diya ab zara mera hawala b sunain…apko pata ha ye log apnay apko MUSLIM kehtay hein?…
ager app Pakistan PENAL CODE ki provision 298-c pe goor karain tu ye 1 juram ha,,me apki mushkil asan kernay k liye idher hi likh deta hoon
PPC section 298-c
“PERSON OF QADIYANI GROUP,ETC.,CALLING HIMSELF A MUSLIM OR PREACHING OR PROPOGATING HIS FAITH…any person of the qadiyani group or the Lahori gruop(who call themselves ‘Ahmedi or by any other name),who directly or indirectly,posses himself as a muslim,or cals,or refers to,his faith as Islam,or preaching or propogates hi faith,or invites other to accept his faith,by words,either spoken or written,or by visible representation or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religion feelings of Muslim shall be punished with imprisonment of either discription for a term wich may extend to three years and shall also b liable to fine”

The problem with our nation is that we succumb to hate mongerers so easily. People are angry because they are depressed by situations with the inflation and lack of food in the market and when someone in the heat of the day provokes them to come out and fight what HE thinks is wrong they take the whole thing out on the poor people that hate was spread again.

Can anyone answer me some basic things?

- What does Islam say about preaching the religion?

I heard it was ‘La Iqraha Fid Dinn’ – there is no ‘jabar’ (force required) in the preaching of Islam.

- When the Holy Prophet (PBUH) himself said there is no forceful way of spreading Islam, why are our clerics and the Jamiats and people like them oppressing others in the name of Islam?

To me it is a clear way of saying what Hazur (PBUH) taught us does not matter, only what those ignorant molvis say matters.

Just to clarify the Ahmadi belief on Khatm-e-nabuat;

- Ahmadis do believe Hadrat Mohommad (PBUH) to be the Khatim un Nabiyyeen.

- Ahmadis believe that Hadrat Mohommad (PBUH) was the seal of all prophets, the best, the one most loved by Allah Almighty and the one with whom Allah Almighty completed his religion.

- Ahmadis believe that Allah is still the God that spoke to Hadrat Musa, the God who shared some of his hidden secrets with His Momen men and women.

The God that was always active and the God that will always be active and loving to His creation. Do you believe God to be something else today? If you do I would like to know your view on Allah Almighty. If you do believe him to be the same God, and you believe God to never lie and believe His verses in the Hold Quran are for ever then why do you think he would break away from his ’sunnat’ of sending prophets to mankind to teach them the right path?

The Holy Prophet, in whose name there is so much oppression in Pakistan, was the man who spread the message of peace and who said when Masih-ibn-Maryam comes give him my salam even if you have to walk there while kneeling on fozen ice (lose translation that, if anyone can provide it better its most welcome).

Another question I want to put up here, for anyone who wishes to open mindedly discuss anything is;

- If the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is the most loved Prophet of Allah, one for whom I believe God made this Universe, Why did God not give him even ONE prophet in his ‘ummat’? God gave Hadrat Musa a follower prophet in the shape of hadrat Issa, why not Hazur (PBUH)? Is a prophet not needed? if not, why are we waiting for Isa ibne Maryam?

- If we say Allah is going to send Issa ibne Maryam who is a prophet of ONLY the Isrealites and a follower of hadrat Musa, to teach the ummat of Hazrat Mohommad (PHUB) is that interpretation not insulting for Allah’s most loved prophet?

To me it is like saying this person is the best professor in the world, and since he is such a great person, there has to be a desciple of another professor who will teach this professor’s class. Why not a prophet from amongst Hazrat Mohommad (PBUH)’s own ‘ummat’? After all, he is the prophet for the whole world, that was never the station Allah appointed Musa with, or Issa.

I have taken up perhapd too much of your time, sorry about that and if the blog owner does allow this post, I would like to know other people’s views on the topic. After all, this is the ahmadiya community that is not allowed to say ‘Salam’ by law, those who are not allowed to say their prayers, or recite the darud-e-mohommadi that Allah said everyone should recite.

Is that ban fair to Islam itself? I mean how many have you grinned when a Christian has said assalam-o-alikum to you? do you know they believe in trinity? not the one God as Muslims do or as Ahmadis do? can you, and would you, ban them from saying Salam? A good word coming from any mouth should be considered a blessing, but in our country sadly it is the mulla who decides these things…those who the Prophet Mohommad (PBUH) said would be the worst of all creations in the time when the world will need the Masiah.

Ahmed dont play ur game//i have enough information about qadiyanies…i have refrences too..should i publish here what is d real picture of qadiyaanies?

Q: Who are Qadiyanis?

A: Qadiyanis also known as Mirzai, Ahmadi, Lahori, etc. are a sect of people who do not believe that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet. The founder of the sect Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835 – 1908) claimed to be the Messiah whose advent has been foretold by the Holy prophet of Islam and whose advent was awaited by Jews, Christians and Muslims. The mainstream muslims do not consider Qadiyanis muslims

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani, the fonder of Qadiyanism or Ahmadism, so called Ahmadiya Movement in Islam wrote about prophesies of a prophet:

a. The Torah and the Qur’an admit that the most truthful evidence of prophethood are the prophesies, and

b. It is not possible that God’s revelations be not confirmed by their fulfillment.

Let us examine the prophesies of the writer who claimed himself to be a prophet (nabi) and the Promised Messiah (al-Masih al-Maw’oud). If a single prophecy is not fulfilled, it would show that such a prophet is an imposter and a liar.

Rains and earthquakes
Ghulam Ahmad wrote, “God revealed to me that frequent rains will come down. Due to their frequency villages will be destroyed. After them will follow severe earthquakes”. He did not specify where and when. If it was to be in India, there are some regions which receive a lot of rain and there are other areas which feel earthquakes. This is not a prophecy.

Abdullah Atham’s death
A Christian, Abdullah Atham entered into a debate with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in 1893; neither succeeded in winning over the other. It was embarrassing to Ghulam Ahmad and feeling insulted, on June 5, 1883 he announced that he had been informed by God that Abdullah Atham would die within fifteen months, that is, September 5, 1894. Ghulam Ahmad supplicated to God for the death of Abdullah Atham by his announced date of death and he asked his followers to join him in praying for the curse to come true. The deadline came and went but Abdullah Atham lived and for a long time. Ghulam’s invocations and supplications were of no use and Allah proved that he was not His prophet.

Multiple marriages
On February 20, 1886 Ghulam Ahmad declared that indeed Allah revealed to him that he shall marry blessed women and he shall have numerous children from these new wives. He was then 46 years old. The fact remains that he could not marry anyone after his declared revelation from Allah despite several efforts and a crush on Muhammadi Begum.

Marriage to Muhammadi Begum
Ghulam Ahmad at age 46 had a crush on a young lady by the name of Muhammadi Begum daughter of Ahmad Beg, one of his followers. Ghulam asked her father to marry her to himself which he refused. Ghulam Ahmad announced a prophecy that she will be married to him because Allah had married her to him and no one had power to turn away from that becoming true. He offered bribes of estate and wealth to Ahmad Beg. When it did not work he begged for his pity, brought family pressure and finally made threats. The first prophecy of marriage to Muhammadi Begum failed.

Ahmad Beg did not budge from his position and married his daughter to an ordinary soldier. Ghulam Ahmad prophesied that the husband of Muhammadi Begum would die soon and she would be married to him since their marriage had taken place in the heavens. He fixed a three year period for the death of the soldier husband of his beloved lady. Twenty two years later Ghulam Ahmad died but the soldier lived for another forty years and she lived even longer. The second prophecy of marriage to Muhammadi Begum failed.

A spark of the light of God
A son was born to Ghulam Ahmad on June 14, 1899 when he was 59 years old. He gave him the name, Mubarak Ahmad and declared, “this lad is indeed a spark of the light of God, the promised reformer, the owner of greatness and authority, possessor of healing breath like the Messiah, curer of diseases, a word of God and lucky. He will become famous in the four corners of the world, he will set prisoners free and through him all nations will be blessed.”

Allah had His plan to prove once again that Ghulam Ahmad was neither a prophet nor “the Promised Messiah” by showing that He did not reveal anything to him nor inspired him with anything nor chose him a prophet nor divinely guided him (Mehdi). Mubarak Ahmad died of natural causes at age 8 in 1907, less than a year before the death of the false prophet and the false messiah.

The birth of another son
When Ghulam Ahmad’s wife became pregnant, he announced on January 1, 1903, “Praise be to Allah Who bestowed upon me in spite of old age four sons and has given me good news of a fifth”. On January 28, 1903 his wife delivered a daughter who died in infancy. This was first failed prophecy of a son.

His wife became pregnant again and he prophesied that she will deliver a son about whom he said, “the son of nobility will be born – a lad goodly-shaped and handsome.” She delivered a baby girl on June 24, 1904. This was the second failed prophecy of a son.

Again a son
After two disappointments and proving himself to be a false prophet, he announced again that Allah had given him the news, “Verily, We give you tidings of a meek boy.” He announced the date of the birth of the boy to be September 16, 1907 which was never fulfilled. This was the third false prophecy of a son.

In October 1907 he pronounced yet another revelation from Allah, “I shall soon bestow upon you a righteous boy” and his name was announced to be Yahya. Alas, the prophesied son never came and the false prophet Ghulam Ahmad himself died on May 26, 1908. This was the fourth false prophecy of a son.

A son to one of his followers
Manzoor Muhammad, one of his followers, informed him that his wife was pregnant. Ghulam Ahmad prophesied cautiously in stages that Manzoor’s wife will deliver a boy from this pregnancy or from a later pregnancy and child’s name will be “Bashir-ud-Dawla”. After such safeguards in his prophecy he emphasized, “Manzoor Muhammad’s wife shall not die unless she gives birth to this noble son and until his prophecy is fulfilled.”

Manzoor Muhammad’s wife delivered a baby girl and afterwards she never conceived and died without giving a boy. Doesn’t it look like Ghulam Ahmad was working against Allah’s Will?

The plague
Ghulam Ahmad feared plague very much and declared it to be one of his signs. He prophesied that the epidemic then ravaging in the Indian Province of Punjab will not enter his town of Qadiyan because it was the dwelling place of “God’s prophet.” God proved him a liar again. Plague spread in Qadiyan and in Ghulam Ahmad’s own house; his maid and a few of his followers died of plague.

The death of Dr. Abdul Hakim
Dr. Abdul Hakim entered into a discussion with Ghulam Ahmad, challenged him to an open debate and called him a liar. Ghulam Ahmad did not take it very well and prophesied, “Abdul Hakim will die during my life-time as he insults and disgraces me.” On May 4, 1907 Dr. Abdul Hakim responded with his own prediction that Ghulam Ahmad will die within fifteen months, that was by August 4, 1908. Ghulam Ahmad responded to Dr. Abdul Hakim’s prediction by adding to his own prophecies:

(a) Dr. Abdul Hakim will die during the life-time of Ghulam Ahmad, and,

(b) Ghulam Ahmad will live to be eighty years of age, which was to be 1920 or later.

Ghulam Ahmad died within a year on May 26, 1908, at age 68 and Dr. Abdul Hakim lived for many more years to become an old man.

Ghulam Ahmad’s prophecies and self deprecation

On various occasions when he announced a prophecy he would self-deprecate if the prophecy was not fulfilled. A few of his announcements are given below:

1. “If what I have said does not happen exactly, I am prepared for every punishment. My face be blackened and I be insulted. A rope be put round my neck and I be hanged”.

2. “Prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satan, the evil and the accursed.”

3. Regarding his burning love and lust for Muhammadi Begum, a daughter of one of his followers, he said, “Her marriage (to me) is a settled affair. I swear by God that this is true. They shall not have the power to thwart its occurrence. God Almighty has said, ‘We have ourselves married her to you, it is not possible that My words may change’.”

Further, he said, “There is no changing of the Word of Allah. The meaning is that this prophecy of mine is bound to become true as the failure of its fulfillment falsifies the Word of God”.

In fact, the Word of God is never falsified but a liar speaking in the name of God is exposed. He further said, “If this prophecy does not turn out to be true I shall be the most evil of the evils, ye fools!” Well! He proved himself what he was.

4. “But if this prophecy is not from Thee, O God, then perish me in disgrace and total loss and make me accursed and peltable in Thy view.”

5. “For ascertainment of my truthfulness or my falsehood there is no better thing than my prophesies.” Well! We know the truth, don’t we?

Allah repeatedly failed Ghulam Ahmad in his prophecies to prove to the world that this man was a liar, an imposter and an inventor of a new religion which was not Islam.

References to the quotations and events mentioned in this brochure may be found in QADIYANIAT, AN ANALYTICAL SURVEY by Ehsan Elahi Zaheer, published by Idara Tarjuman Al-Islam, Shish Mahal Road, Lahore, Pakistan, 1981, Chapter VII, pp.184-226.

“hum kabhi b apnay kisi dushman ko apnay ghar rakhain ge bhalla?koi nahi chahta k fitna uss k ghar per parwaan charrhay phir ham in qadiyaaniyoon ko minorites k rights de kar kiyoon apnay ghar me ghusa rahay hein?…”

>> If you know a little history of Islam, Hazrat Mohommad (PBUH)’s ’sunnat’ contradicts you. He was the man you profess to follow but how many people did he burn? How many did he beat up just because he was powerful? Or for his own sake?

Hazur (PBUH) was the man who said anyone who stays in his house is saved today, anyone who does not pick a weapon to fight is saved today and that was said to the Kuffar of Makkah; the people who had tortured him mentally, had insulted him at every corner and tortured his followers and the closest of friends…you profess to be the follower of the man who was a blessing to all living and a blessing for all times?

If you follow him, at least have the decency of not torturing those that live in the land with you. They are humans; they have rights as humans even if as nothing else. Why can you not protect their rights? Ok, if you are not noble enough to protect them, do not do that but do not inflict more torture on them at least!

Why should Israel not kill the Palestinians? Why should Hindus not kill Muslims in Kashmir? Why is Pakistan crying about HUMAN RIGHT VIOLATIONS anywhere in the world when you do not believe IN Pakistan that HUMANS HAVE RIGHTS!?

We need some introspection people, ‘apnay girehbaan main jhank kai daikho’ and ask yourself are you any better than those Jews that have tanks and bulldozers so they tear down villages in Palestine? You have a say here in Pakistan, do you not oppress others when you can? If you can not save your fellow Pakistanis, fellow humans from your own wrath, why do you think Allah should save you from anyone else’s wrath. Does Allah not say, ‘one that killed a human killed humanity?’

We have to correct ourselves and pray for our sins because why would Allah like or help a man who has some power and he uses it against another to do a wrong? Allah does not wrong anyone, he like merciful people. If this is how you are spreading Islam, God help Islam because it was never the Holy Prophet’s way of preaching, he always told his battle commanders to not touch the temples of those they won against even…which Islam is being followed in Pakistan?

Fatwas and Statements of Islamic Scholars about Ahmadiyya

1974 Declaration by World Muslim League (Rabita al-Alam al-Islami) by Mohammad Bashir

World Muslim League held its annual conference at Makkah Al-Mukaramma Saudi Arabia from 14th to 18th of Rabiul Awwal 1394 H (April 1974) in which 140 delegations of Muslim countries and organizations from all over the world participated. I (Mohammad Bashir) too was there in this Conference alongwith the other journalists from all over the world. The Conference unanimously adopted the following Resolution regarding Qadianism.

Qadianism or Ahmadiyyat: It is a subversive movement against Islam and the Muslim world, which falsely and decietfully claims to be an Islamic sect; who under the guise of Islam and for the sake of mundane interests contrives and plans to damage the very foundations of Islam. Its eminent deviations from the basic Islamic principles are as follows:

Its founder claimed that he was a Prophet.
They deliberately distort the meanings of the verses of the Holy Quran.
They decalred that Jehad has been obolished.
Qadianism was originally fostered by the British imperialism. Hence it has been flourishing under her flag. This movement has completely been disloyal to and dishonest in affairs of the Muslim Ummah. Rather, it has been loyal to Imperialism and Zionism. It has deep associations and cooperation with the anti Islamic forces and teachings especially through the following nefarious methods:

Construction of mosques with the assistance of the anti Islamic forces wherin the misleading Qadiani thoughts are imparted to the people.
Opening of schools institutions and orphanages wherein the people are taught and trained as to how they can be more anti Islamic in their activities. They also published the corrupted versions of the Holy Quran in different local and international languages.
In order to combat these dangers, the Conference recommends the following measures:

All the Muslim organization in the world must keep a vigilant eye on all the activities of Qadianisin their respective countries; to confine them all strictly to their schools, institutions and orphanages only. Moreover he Muslims of the world be shown the true picture of Qadianism and be briefed of their various tactics so that the Muslims of the world be saved from their designs .
They must be declared non Muslims and ousted form the fold of Islam. And be barred to enter the Holy lands.
There must be no dealings with the Qadianis. They must be coycotted socially , economically and culturally Nor they be married with or to Nor they be allowed to be buried in the Muslims graveyards. And they be treated like other non Muslims.
All the Muslim countries must impose restrictions on the activities of the claimant of Prophethood Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani’s followers; must declare them a non Muslim minority must not etrust them them with any post of responsibility in any Muslim country.
The alterations effected by them in the Holy Quran must be made public and the people be briefed of them and all these be prohibited for further publication.
All such groups as are deviators from islam must be treated at par with the Qadianis.

Abdullah bin Amar (RA) relates that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said “Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one.” The companions asked, ‘Who are they O Messenger of Allah,’ Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “They are those who will be like me and my companions.”

Tirmidhi, Ibne Maja [3] gives three independent narrations of the same hadith.

By the constitution of Pakistan, the 72 sects decided the Ahmadis were not one of them. Please read some literature, please look at what is happening around you and then pray to God Almighty. He is the only one that can guide us to the right path and all 72 of your sects can unite and say that one sect is wrong, Allah is the decider.

Just ask yourself does Allah give you the right to torture or harm fellow humans still? When did the Prophet Mohommad (PBUH) allow men to torture women like they did in the PMC? Do not take that great man of God’s name when you commit sins against others.

“References to the quotations and events mentioned in this brochure may be found in QADIYANIAT, AN ANALYTICAL SURVEY by Ehsan Elahi Zaheer, published by Idara Tarjuman Al-Islam, Shish Mahal Road, Lahore, Pakistan, 1981, Chapter VII, pp.184-226.”

You never asked any one of my questions, you only made allegations that are baseless, ones I do not wish to get into because their source is questionable and it becomes a case of ‘he said-she said’ finger pointing.

When you want to know what a person thinks, or a sect thinks, go to an unbiased observer or ask the person or read what that person wrote. I would advise you to read what the Ahmadis say istead of reading what their enemies say about them because you are judging them. Mirza Gulam Ahmad Qadiyani did indeed have a son who was prophesized by Allah. He lived to be the Second Caliph of the Ahmadis.

The plague never killed an Ahmadi in Qadiyan, your source lies.

You can read about Ahmadis on http://www.alislam.org or a new site I just looked up, http://www.real-islam.org .

I do not ask you to believe me. I just ask you to research Ahmadis by reading what they have to say. Only Allah knows what is in the heart, no molvi knows that and yet they profess to know what Allah says only he knows.

And by the way, the question remains: does Islam allow you to torture fellow humans in the name of Islam? Or does Islam tell you to be merciful and helpful to others? Do Ahmadis, even if they are the curse on Muslims as you claim them to be, not have rights as humans? Christians in Pakistan have those rights, but Ahmadis do not? Do you really think Shirk is not a bigger sin than THINKING a person to be a follower prophet of Hadrat Mohommad (PBUH)?

Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was the last of the Prophets of Allah and he had warned Muslims that there will be many liars who would claim to be Prophet.

AbuBakar (May Allah be pleased with him) and Sahaba, who were the best of the Ummat fought and killed two of those false Prophets.

Qadiani’s have nothing to do with Islam. Their teachings are to decieve Naive Muslims. They pretend to be Muslims and follow most of the Muslim rituals but their belief that Muhammad was not the last prophet makes them Non-Muslims.

For a moment, I will suppose you are right on this. I will suppose Ahmadis are liars. What does Islam tell you about the rights of other humans? Where does Islam say that, if someone does not belong to the same religion as you, you should make life hell for them? That you should attack them? and torture them?

Islam is a great religion because it preaches tolerance, the prophet in whose name the Jamiat is spreading hate preached tolerance, which Islam do you follow? that of Allah Almighty or of the mulla? because the Islam the mulla preaches is the distorted face of the beautiful religion of God that has become the source of terror in the world. You can not be Muslims without being good humans first.

Yeah sure, let’s take the Ahmedis and burn them. Let’s take a girl that dared to have a boy friend and disfigure her, let’s rape another because her brother did some thing, while we are at it, let’s round up all the gays put them in a pit and stone them to death..oh oh almost forgot, let’s put check points in the streets and check every body’s papers and make them pray to prove and demonstrate that they are really Muslims, stone, kill, decapitate discriminate, imprison all in the name of a God religion and prophet that you claim is kind, vitreous, generous, forgiving and all the rest. Your adversaries occupying illegal lands in the middle-east and their cronies in the west are just having a hard time containing their joy, they are excited that you will not pass on any occasion to make an ass out of yourselves and become laughing stock of the world. Keep it up guys keep it up… this must be God’s will!

People can worship whatever they like but they can not be allowed to lead people to false religions.

Muslims do not need medals of *HONOR* from Qadianis and their supporters.

Qadiani’s want to corrupt the religion of Allah. They want to belie Muhammad when he said I am the last prophet and if there were a prophet after me, it would have been Umar (may Allah be pleased with him).

Mirza Ghulam Qadian was a confused person. First he claimed he was Imam Mahdi, then he claimed he is Jesus Christ and then he claimed Prophethood. May Allah curse him, Ameen.

Qadinais, You corrupt our religion and stab us in our backs and expect candies and flowers in return?

Are you stopping the Christins from preaching their religion? are you stopping the Jews? NO. Why? because they have power over you. Islam is Allah’s religion, he will not let it be distorted, those that ask for Allah’s help get his guidance, Ahmadis are no one to mislead anyone. Look at your fellow Pakistanis and check who they are influenced by, they are influenced by the western culture, it is not Ahmadis misleading them.

But Allah says, ’sumun bukmum umyun la yurjaoun’ so a thing of sense does not matter because the capacity to absorb it has been stamped shut. It is extremely sad that you profess the love of Hadrat Mohomman PBUH and yet never think that love only begets love, it never can beget hatred unless you are misled about the love in the first place.

I have a feeling the real issue here that is the rule of law will drown in this useless religious debate. I am not sure what both sides are doing trying to convert each other when this is not the right forum for this. If anyone would listen I would say cut down this debate, who’s beliefs are right is not the issue here, what rights one has and how to uphold them is.

My question to people who think and talk about rights of other people specially Qadiani’s have they forgotten about Murtads and war against them.

Have they forgotten about Hazrat Mohammed (pbuh) when he destroyed all idols
did anyone stood up and said what are the rights of Mushrakeen.

When qadiyani say there is another nabi after MOHAMMED PBUH that means that QURAN is wrong and existence of Mahammed is wrong and he is false Allah nauz o bilah.

And people who follow them are Fools and murtadis should be killed including my own friends and family.

In 1950 Afghan Govt sent few army officers to USSR for training and they came back few(10) turning socialist. They started spreading concept and they were not stopped because of right thing.

what happened that most of army started buying it and became socialist and app 20 yrs later USSR was in Afghanistan and rest u know as well.

REMEMBER: NIP THE EVIL IN THE BUD.

Saying that JAMIAT is not good. People and groups like them make and didtort Islam. but atleast tehy are not Murtids.

May I ask Mr AHMED IS HE IN USA OR IN PAKISTAN.

Countries are not governed by fatwa’s and day to day grievances and desire of the people .what you have said is a truth that can not be denied neither negate but constitution of Pakistan is the constitution of Islamic republic of Pakistan laid down under the authoritative criteria of Islamic preaching and requirement.

As per article 20
Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
Subject to law, public order and morality:-
(a)
every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion; and
(b)
every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.

If I set aside every concept and contest whether negating or favoring ahmedis, I would left with a choice question that, what should be done with qaadiyanis according to the teaching of Islam and prophet (pbuh) and Sunnah/qoran?
Regardless of their fitna activities and anti Islam role, what if such people are born in Pakistan under the citizen ship act and Pakistan being Islamic state based on ideology of Islam.

under what provision of Islamic law and constitution and shariah law ,we can deny the existence of these qaadiyanis .under what umbrella Islam allow permission to act against these individual on discriminatory basis or legalize the killing or debarring under the act of citizen ship ,existence and education, etc.

The traditional slogan of muslim was floated at the day of victory of mecca,explaining the contest and theme of islam that “today even the house of abu sufian would get clemency and any body hiding even at the house of sufian would be given peace.

This is the Islamic ideology of Pakistan that is a basis of this country .who ever enters in to this state ,he would have equal rights as being enjoyed by muslim.regards.

The sad irony… Pakistan’s staunchest supporters who gave up everything for its creation are being told to go to Israel by the followers of those who opposed the creation of Pakistan.

Musalman toe sub ke liaya salamati ka nishan honay chahian. Abhi hummain khud appni Isslah ki zaroorat ha. Allah hum sub ko Hidaiat de Amin.

ASLAM_U_ALEIKUM
any body can justfy any thing wether with logics or illogically…but v have 2 see things behind the seen.
as being a muslim it is my faith n my duty to observe to observe n protect my religion,Qadiyanies are d worst enemy of my religion how should i react if they insult my prophet(PBUH)?
whether i say ok ok they have freedom of expression or freedom of religion i m fine with it,,,no never…
every person have the limit of his senstivness..
Qadiyanies are fitnaaas they should b kicked out of my house n of my country,i have a strong proof behind my this thinkings///wich is

Claim to being The Last Prophet

“I have told so many times that according to the verse “Wa Akhareen Menhom” (Along with others of them…) – in the incarnate form, I am the same last of the Prophets (Nabi Khatamul Ambia). Twenty two years ago, God named me in the Braheen-e-Ahmadia Muhammad and Ahmad and declared that I am the entity of the holy Prophet(SAW). Thus my prophethood in no way clashes with the status of holy Prophet(pbuh) as the Last of Prophets, because shadow is inseparable from the original. Since I am Muhammad in a ’shadowy way’, thus this way the Seal of the Last of the Prophets is not broken, because the prophethood of Muhammad(pbuh) remained with Muhammad (Mirza Ghulam).”
(Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 212; Ek-Ghalati-Ka-Izala, P. 8)

“Blessed (is) he who has recognized me. Of all the paths of God I am the last path, and of all His lights I am the last light. Unfortunate is he who forsakes me, because without me all is darkness.”
(Kashti-e-Nooh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 61; Kashti-e-Nooh, P. 56, First Edition, Qadian 1902)

“The Prophethood ended on our Prophet(pbuh). Therefore after Him there is no Prophet except who has been illuminated by His Light and who has been made His inheritor by God. Know that Finality was given to Muhammad(pbuh) since the Beginning; and then given to him (Mirza Ghulam) who was taught by His Spirit and made His shadow. Thus blessed is the one who taught and blessed is the one who learned (Mirza Ghulam). Thus Finality was destined for the sixth millennium, which is the sixth day in the days of God…… The Promised Messiah was born in the sixth millennium.”
(Zamima Khutba Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 310)

“I am the only one selected in this Ummah to get the title of ‘Prophet ‘. No one else deserved this title.”
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 407)

“Tell them that if you love God then come and follow me, so that God also loves you.”
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 82)

“These quotations prove that except for the Promised Messiah no one else can be a Prophet…After holy Prophet (pbuh) only one Prophet was necessary and the coming of too many Prophets would have hindered the Wisdom and Schemes of God.”
(Tasheed-ul-Azhan, No.8, Vol.12, P.11, August 1917)

“Thus only one person got the status of Prophethood in the Ummah of Muhammad….except for the Promised Messiah (Mirza) no one followed holy Prophet to such perfection to be called the shadow of holy Prophet. Therefore only Promised Messiah was chosen to be called the Prophet.”
(Kalimat Al-Fasl, Review of Religions, P. 116, No. 3, Vol. 14)

Even though Mirza Ghulam had suggested that any religion without continuity of prophethood is cursed and dead, he recanted this earlier stance once he saw the reaction of the Muslim masses and, perhaps more importantly, when he dreamed of a new scheme to claim prophethood. By declaring to be Muhammad, in effect, not only he declared to be a prophet (God forbid), but also he announced that he was the very last prophet! When knowledgeable Qadianis (Ahmadis) declare to believe in the Finality of Prophethood, they really mean they believe in Finality of Prophethood in their prophet, Mirza Ghulam

Ahmed may i ask u whatever i quote is true or false?
if it is true wether Qadiyanies are entitled a bit soft corner?
plz check d refrences and give me the answer

Dr.raza i have a reply regarding ur comments…

“PPC section 298-c”
“PERSON OF QADIYANI GROUP,ETC.,CALLING HIMSELF A MUSLIM OR PREACHING OR PROPOGATING HIS FAITH…any person of the qadiyani group or the Lahori gruop(who call themselves ‘Ahmedi or by any other name),who directly or indirectly,posses himself as a muslim,or cals,or refers to,his faith as Islam,or preaching or propogates his faith,or invites other to accept his faith,by words,either spoken or written,or by visible representation or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religion feelings of Muslim shall be punished with imprisonment of either discription for a term wich may extend to three years and shall also b liable to fine”

According to this provisions they can’t preach,propogate their faith in our country…Atical 20 of PAK constitution is enumerated only for minorities…Qadiyanies ar’t minorites but FITNAAS

@Ahmad who is trying to start another debate about what is actually QADYANIAT. Please don’t do this? Don’t make any lame attempts what Qadyanis believe or not. I and many would have read their books so don’t try to fool around while you know it’s futile. The thread is about expelling of students due to their personal beliefs rather discussing pros and cons of Qadyaniat.

@DoIKnow: I am quite clear what I said. I believe dialogue is the best option to spread the message. That’s what I said.

I have read all the different comments above. (I shouldn’t have done that because this has confused my own perception about the very issue). First I want to make it clear that I also hate qaadiyanis as much as a simple Muslim dislikes them. But does this give me the right to doing any kind (not having any limits) of injustice to qaadiyanis?

I don’t want to go into stories but I want to raise certain questions here which are really confusing me on this issue.

1. If our constitution gives certain rights to all citizens to Pakistan, so is there something really wrong with our constitution? Shouldn’t the clauses, concerning the human rights and citizen rights present in the 1973 constitution, be re-written (All of these clauses have been ditto copied from the UNO Charter of human rights)? One thing that always disturbs me that why do we say that Pakistan was established on the basis of religion i.e. Islam.(We feel very proud of this sometimes as well) Because countries can never exist by having an ideology of a particular religion that’s what Islam says. What only can exist on the basis of Islam is Khilafat, a no-where followed concept today. Because it is the history of Khilafat where Jizya was taken from the non-muslims for practicing their religion. The point I’m trying to make here that countries are always formed on the basis on regions. When a particular country is established in a particular region, then the inhabitants of that region become the citizens of that country automatically. Remember people, every individual in this world has equal rights, regardless of whether he is a Muslim or not. Did anyone seek permission from Hindus or people belonging to any other religion living in this region that ‘We are going to establish a country named Pakistan whose ideology will be based on Islam. Do you have any objections? Did India ask the same question to the Muslims living there? If that was the case then it should have mentioned in the constitution that anyone deviating from Islam (Murtid; as the penalty for being Murtid in Islam is a definite death…..) or anyone trying to play with the Islamic beliefs, will be lynched severely. Because the countries are always run on constitutions, not on ideologies.

2.Was Quaid-e-Azam wrong while making this statement or he made an incomplete statement, while addressing the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on August 11, 1947.

“You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”

What we people need to do is to understand the business of the state. What we do is just confuse the concepts of State and Khilafat. State can never discriminate people; not even on the smallest issue of concern. While this is a big issue, on which belonging to certain creed are not only discriminated but also killed. I’m not saying that we as Muslims shouldn’t deal with people trying to anything objectionable to our religion. We should deal them with the strictest means of punishment we could have. But that only can be done when you are living in a truly Religion based country i.e. Khilafat, because in Khilafat Islam runs in the bloodstream of the nation and the state as well.

3. Finally, some people said that qadiyaanis are not minorities. They are Fitnah. Fine! agreed. And the way of dealing Fitnas is always that we should crush them with a strong blow. They should be killed and even should be expelled from the country. But doesn’t it give the right to non-muslim country nations to do the same with Muslims in those countries, especially countries like India and Nepal. Let me remind you all that by the Orthodox practitioners of Hindu Religion we Muslims are still believed as Untouchables. The definition of Untouchable in Hindu books is somewhat same as we have of Fitna in our dictionaries. According to those orthodox people, “MUSALMAN HAMARA DHARAM BHRASHT KAR RAHE HAIN/ HINDUSTAN SIRF HINDOON KE LIYE HAI/ MUSALAMANON NE HAMARI DHARTI MAA KO PALEED KAR DIYA HAI” One can evidently imagine that if these sentences are allowed to be converted into actions, not a delay of a moment will be done by these orthodox Hindus to crush Muslims. But this is what the state does; protects the rights of their citizens regardless of their religions.
Now this thinking of such Hindus exist, when Muslims have never attempted to mix up their religious beliefs. If they should have done then according to our traditional beliefs, Muslims should also have been the treated the way the qaadiyaanis are treated.
4. Someone said that it all started due to conspiracy done by the Englishmen to create confusions in our religion. I want to ask how could a man with an Islamic belief even of a cheapest quality can be distracted by the beliefs of qaadiyaanis. For example, as qaadiyaanis don’t believe the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the Last Prophet (NA-UZUB-ILLAH); how could a Muslim be distracted by this very obvious deceiving belief. If this is the case then why don’t we get distracted by the the belief of Christians that Hazrat Issa (AS) is the son of Allah Subhan-o-taalah (NA-UZUB-ILLAH).
I may be wrong in all of my argument, so please forgive me if I have made any mistakes while writing, especially about certain Islamic beliefs.

dear no body is talking on the issue of preaching and belief .issue is simple .should any discrimination be taken in relation to their education or rights as citizen under the umbrella of islam or constitution.

simply tagging and enforcing closure of doors leading to education or legal rights is a bias attitude ,and we should not own it .

as long as they have disclosed their identity as qadyani’s ,issue is issueless.

constitution ,and law embarks and validate their existence if these qadyanis disclose their identity.

however if they conceal it they are liable to be treated in a manner as constitution has decided .

constitution of pakistan is the constitution of islamic republic of pakistan ,duly designed and formatted as per shariah /qoran and sunnah.

Sorry to all those that pointed out the debate was not about religions here. You are right, I tried many times to get back to the original topic once I had diverted but the responses I got did not let me.

@ muslim: It will take time to check references because versions of the books differ and so do page numbers but what I can confirm is that Hadrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad Qadiyani did claim to nabuaat. He claimed to be a follower prophet of Hadrat Mohommad (PBUH), . Supposing your translation is correct with a minor adjustment ’shadowy’ is different from ’shadow’ in its conotations

“Since I am Muhammad in a ’shadowy way’, thus this way the Seal of the Last of the Prophets is not broken, because the prophethood of Muhammad(pbuh) remained with Muhammad (Mirza Ghulam).”

He claims to be a shadow of Mohommad, a ‘zil’, a follower of the Holy prophet(PBUH) just as Issa was a follower of Musa. If you manage to read more of Mirza Gulam Ahmad’s books, he was born in a time when the Christian missionaries were converting Muslims in the subcontinent and there were extremely humiliating references being made to Hazrat Mohommad (PBUH). Mirza Gulam Ahmad dedicated his life to replying to those missionaries, his books aimed at glorifying the Holy Prophet. As I said, there is a lot said about Ahmadis that is incorrect but I will leave that to you all. Consider Ahmadis whatever you like but aamirhatif pointed out a few things without digressing like I did. If you can answer those honestly then we might not have a debate here.

As for the fitna you point out, here are a few who Pakistan claims to be proud of and they were Ahmadi Muslims.

Sir Zafrullah Khan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Zafrulla_Khan

Dr Abdus Salam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam

There are thousands of Ahmadis in Pakistan serving the country in different posts and even while they are singled out so they are denied promotions, are victimized they still give their best to the country.

Again, why can you stand someone talking about trinity and do ’shirk’ if you can not stand an assumed insult to the Prophet Mohommad (PBUH) when it was Hazur (PBUH) who lost his temper in Ghazva e Badr when the Kuffar claimed their gods had won?

@ Muslim: please read the prophecy about Mohommadi Begum
http://www.alislam.org/library/begum.html

Prophecy of the Holy Prophet(PBUH) in favor of Mirza Gulam Ahmad
http://www.alislam.org/library/sign.html

The things you mentioned as prophecies by Mirza Gulam Ahmad are answered some here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_surrounding_the_death_of_Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad

The rest you can look up if you really want to go after the truth, if not, I will refrain from answering here since it is derailing the coversation. (If there was a PM option I would have used that :S)

i would’ve felt sorry if they were christians or hindus or even jews cuz they atleast stick to what they say and believe and don’t sell their sould for money! but these bastards have no identity!
should’ve been shot rather!they are the reason we are in this state today!community based blood suckers!(khutmals!)

Please dont turn this issue in to a religious circus!

If you have gone through the details of incident you have seen that IJT seized the office of Principal and created a law and order situation, to maintain order principal expelled these students.

None here has answred my question and I repeat it again, why IJT and Jamat Islami’s terrorists are free to spread Madoodi-ism in educational institutions when its also a sect backed by jews just like Ahmadi’s?

Secondly there must be no discrimination which means that all sorts of religious preachings must be banned, and use of force be discourged.

I dont care about what belief’s you or anyone else have and wont let anyone judge me and give me a certificate of being a good or bad muslim.

We are not a theocratic state but governed under a constitution which ensures equal treatment and equal protection of law.

Most of the Muslim’s I have seen in Pakistan or around the world make me ashamed of being Muslim because of several reasonswhich most of you know well.

In such situation do’nt we have right to discriminate and violate constitutional gurantees for others because they have different belief’s?

And if its allowed then we have to accept that if Musharaf violates constitution, we deserve it!

Exactly which parts of constitution, Hadith, Qura’an allows Muslims to discriminate?

Educate us you loud mouths!

There are courts to decide who is right and who is wrong. I think we should leave these matters to people who are best suited to it.
Let us not spread hatred.

Jamiat waley Chootiaa hain, Peer Sahib (Altaf Bhi) sai kion nahee kuch seekh letay. 14 kiaa 30 bhee hotey to masala nahee hotaa.

Agley din janazey main pohanch jatey, thorey ansoo bahatey aur bass. Sanp bhee marjaata aur lathee bhee nahee toot-teee.

Abb inn jamation ko kon sikhaey?

It’s a very shameful act for Pakistan not to be able to recognise the basic fundamental rights of minorities in Pakistan. Bullying, Threatening, Beating, Persecuting, Exploiting, Expelling and Killing of Ahmadis continue in all parts of Pakistan. Education institutes are places where the highest level of Human rights needs to be observed. Why was injustice done to the 23 Ahmadi students? What was their fault? Just that they call them self Ahmadis? Closing ones eyes and suppressing injustice is not a solution.

I can further suggest to the Principal that if he wasn’t able to control the situation, he should simply have resigned from his post (finding his self unfit to do justice to safe guard the basic human rights of Human beings). Why coming under the sub due pressure of the Jamat-e-Islami extremists? Why expelling all 23 Ahmadi students and exploiting their career at large?

Dear AHMED,

My last comment has been blocked.So I ll be short and quick.

YOU LOOK TO BE WELL VERSED WHAT YOU DO.
‘ FLY HAS 50000 EYES BUT ALWAYS SIT ON RUBISH’.
Just read Quran pak with translation u r described there. sura baqra first 4 raqo

Where Allah subhan o wa talha explains defination of MOMIN, MUSHRIK AND MUNAFIK.

AS per hadith only when Hazrat Easa pbuh will be resurrected only 849 christians will be with him as they are the ones who would be following his true teachings rest are non believers or Mushriks. He will say prayer behind Imam Mahdi.

He will come to tell christians that Islam is true religion and end war between muslims and christians. NOT to teach muslims islam as u falsely said before.

but my question to u is Mr Ghulam was Imam Mehdi, then Easa ibn maryum.
SO he is GOD or son of God why did he not tell us how was born and if he was born as immaculate conception first time why he needed a sperm this time. Did God loose his trick this time…………….. or was he an immaculate conception this time aswell.

how can a man say prayer behind himself is he one or cloned.-this new technology was not there 70 yrs.

why ghulam was born again to die in toilet. no prophet would be disgraced.

Another fact muslims and christians are still fighting.

Can u give me figure how many how many qadis have been killed.

how many qadis are fighting or fought jehad in afghan,chechnia, palistine.

HOW MANY WENT TO HAJJ.
HOW MANY PAY ZAKAT 2.5%

Remeber: WHEN TRUTH FALLS ON FALSEHOOD, FALSEHOOD PERISHES.

I am a born Ahmadi , and as Pirs brain wash their mureeds , and take advantage of low self esteem and knowledge of their followers similarly we Ahmadies were exposed to a completely close knitted fascist system known as Nizam e Jamaat e Ahmadiyya.

There are generations after generations of Mirzas on the top and then there are thousands of life time paid Murrabies ( missionaries ) and then there are office bearers who like to get publicity and crumbs etc.

They collect billions of dollars every year in the name of chanda or donations and most of it is embezelled by top leadership in the name of interest free loans and gifts etc.

Ahmadiyya leadership always force ordinary Ahmadies to keep things stirred up and we Ahmadies keep on provoking other Main stream Muslims needlessly.

We do this in order to get cases registered against us by the administration and with Pakistani government , so that we can get sympathies of Western countries and we get political asylum in the Western countries.

When Australian government made an agreement with our Khalifa sahib then Ahmadies wrote their names along with their father names and went to the offices of Khatme nubuwat and threw written challenge or mubahila to them.

Office bearers of Khatme nubuwat also wanted business, hence they hurried and went to nearby police station and registered cases against Ahmadies under Zia’s ordinance.

After achieving that target , Ahmadies fled to Rabwah, from where they got their visas and tickets for Australia and those jobless Ahmadies and their families are now well settled there.

Mullahs of Khatme Nubuwat also collect chanda in the name of this religious business , and it is reported that one Sunni Mullah Allah Yar Arshad of Rabwah collects approx 20,000 rupees bribe from each Ahmadi to register a case against him in the local police station.

Due to this business Ahmadies have now become richest citizens of Pakistan and they are taking advantage of Pakistan along with rich Western countries.

Rabwah is now bursting with Euros and dollars and it boasts Pakistan’s biggest mega homes and palaces.

Rabwah has world most modern libraries, swiming pools , rest houses , fully loaded mercedez cars for Mirzas and their clergy , and tons of resources and rest houses all over the world.

Our Jamaat fund organizations like Human rights commission, and media people and our jamaat people are on internet forums with different nicks and some of them are acting like fifth columnists and are trying to invite NATO forces in Pakistan.

Case of PMC student expulsion and its publicity all over the world is telling us that it was all pre planned by our Jamaat Ahmadiyya and they have some dirty plans for Pakistan.

Jamaat Islami should also stop harrassing ordinary muslims and they are no contractors or thekay dars of Islam or Pakistan.

Jamaat Islami and the administration fell in Ahmadiyya trap as usual,and brought bad name for otherwise tolerant Pakistani society.

If we really want to solve issue of Jamaat Ahmadiyya then their activities in Rabwah and London have to be monitored, and we have to observe how much money is going in and out of Rabwah.

Government has to do audit of this charity , and government has to make their activities public.

We also have to observe that how much bribe they pay to the local police officials and how they treat and torture ordinary dissenting Ahmadies.

Government within government , which our Jamaat Ahmadiyya run through offices of Rabwah need to be checked.

Governmnet officers should stop taking bribe from our jamaat and they should fulfill their constitutional duties faithfully.

For more details, please visit

http://www.ahmedi.org

job well done…..finally some good news!

It’s truly amazing how the extremist mullah’s in the name of protecting Islam continue to do things that present Islam in such a distorted manner, that Islam becomes the laughing stock of all religions to the rest of the world. I wonder, have any Christians, Hindu’s, or students of any other religion been expelled from this university because of their religious beliefs? I have never heard of such a thing! The Pakistani intellecuals are leaving Pakistan due to limited opportunity as it is and instead of trying to conserve and retain these intellecutals and professionals, we keep pushing them out and breeding more and more ignorance. This is painfully evident reading some posts on this blog. This is the reason why in the history of the Nobel Prize, only a handful of muslims have ever won this honor. And one person, Dr. Abdus Salam was an Ahmadi. That means that from among over 1 Billion people, maybe only 2 or 3 individuals from among the Muslim Ummah has ever won this prize. And those who have done so, received their education from western educational institutions. Ask yourself this question… How many Muslims in the last 200 years have been named to be in the forefront of science, technology or innovation? Almost none!!!
When will the Muslims wake up? Until and unless the Muslims as a whole will not respect and protect the rights and beliefs of minorities (both muslim and non-muslim alike), Allah will continue to punish us at the hands of other nations. And we as Muslim Ummah will continue to be the laughingstock of the entire world with our twisted and contradictory understanding of justice and fairness.

ASAK!

I congratulate AN Ahmedi, being honest. Reason I asked those question was that I knew Qadiani’s very well as how they work.

My question to AN Ahmedi knowing all this qadi’s hipocracy why are u still with them why donot revert back to Islam. I know many born Qadi’s with conscius has done it and they are still rich.

I request to all readers and QADIS that donot look at muslims and their gains and their losses. Read and follow Islam u have QURAN SHARIF( WORD OF ALLAH) and HAZRAT Mohammed’s (pbuh) SUNNAH.

We are not what we should be.On the day of Judgment if u believe it me/u and ALLAH.Allah will ask u what u have done and have u followed what I told u to do. YOU cannot say because that sunni mulla said that my father told me that or it was logical at the time.

And you will say NO and he will give u your result in ur left hand -hell.

FOR MY DEAR AHMEDI
U are defying Mohammed (pbuh) AS last prophet.- against QURAN

U have different prayer( i wont call it salat) – AGAINST QURAN & SUNNAH.

NO ZAKAT- WHICH IS 2.5 % of annual savings on Sahib nisab ( OWNER OF 7.5 tolla Gold or equvivalnt) u give chanda/tax-juga tax on top of goverenment taxes. ZULM. AGAINST Quran.

Donot perform Hajj, jehad etc. against QURAN

HOW COME U CALL UR SELF MUSLIM AND U KNOW IT U r not.

Do not write to me that how many “so called muslims “are doing it. Answer I have given already and result of it is very obvious all across world.

NOW I ANSWER TO TAYYAB.

Dear sir
I LIVE IN WEST and we see day to day probably u dont.

There is no extremist muslim,NO poor muslim, NO mullah muslim but only MUSLIM IS WORD.

Thats we should be and let others call what they want.We are responsible for our deeds only.

Tell me if ur brother kills someone will take his blame and will want to be called a killer and would u like to be hanged till death.

If u do u are emotionally unstable. And this still wont change that ur brother is a killer and should be punished.

And if are hanged than u commit suicide – haram.

BY this example again i tried that we all are responsible for our deeds.

As regards to Nobel prize I donot consider it as fair prize. e.g. AN ex primeminiser of israel was given NOBLE PRIZE FOR PEACE BECAUSE as he killed app 18000 muslims. Before becoming prime minister.

Secondly , Abduslasm though pakistani but Qadiani.
Thirdly, 70% of doctors in western world are muslims. and similar figures in other fields as science, research, engineering.

U r right that we should work towards education and awareness of it.
One reason why we suffered in education is that we relied more on western education. generation before us only wanted to get educated because they can have better job.

None of them wanted to establish a better system. West want to keep us in worry of roti kapra. this is all across muslim world.

NOW Rights of Minorities- right is to protect them and let them practice them their religions according to their faiths BUT not to PROPAGATE them as missionieries and distract people. now u know example of FATHE MAKKAH.

WAS OUR Beloved Prophet Mohammed was wrong when he broke ALL IDOLS in KABBA. WAS he not breaching human rights.Of other MUSHRIKS AND religions. NO HE WAS NOT.

HE ordered that Makkhans are not be harmed specially children,elderly and women and who will ask for Panah only who will attack u or resist u.

REMEBER: “ALLAH WILL GIVE HADIATH (GUIDANCE) TO ONE WHOM HE WANTS AND FOR OTHERS WORLDLY LIFE WILL BE MADE MORE ATTRACTIVE” – AL QURAN

HADIATH FOR ONE WHO SEEKS FOR IT.

‘YOU TAKE ONE STEP TOWARDS ME I LL TAKE TEN STEPS MY MEN , IF HE WALKS TOWARDS ME I’LL COME RUNNING TOWARDS HIM.’AL QURAN.

MAY ALL GUIDE US ALL.

MAY ALLAH GIUDE US ALL TO RIGHT PATH.

THEIR IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, MOHAMMED IS MESSENGER OF ALLAH.

This is horrendous so is the face of mullas, Pakistan was created for humans to live not for mullas as they are exactly reverse of every single human trait one can think of. You cannot think of any good coming out of that bunch. They are dragging Pakistan close to the edge of destruction. I hope that people having rational thoughts will muster up against this utter injustice

Tayyib, I see where you are coming from and completely understand your frustration, but please don’t fall for the symbols of prestige like Nobel that the west has created. Yes Mandela got it, but so did Begin, when it comes to Muslim world they truly do choose to give to the one that in some way undermines the ruling systems, not to say that I have any thing great to say about the ruling systems in Muslim countries but I am just commenting that the west always always and ALWAYS has it’s wrested interest and it will never honour any body that some how is not symbolic in a negative way in Muslim world. Edward Said (not a Muslim but Arab) was a brilliant man, his life and death were ignored by the western establishment, had he different political positions on world affairs, I am sure all the world’s awards and praise would have been showered on him. On the contrary Shirin Ebadi is an intellectual light weight (not to take away any thing from her struggle) but she will get the Nobel and the world stage!! So Abdul Salam might be a brilliant man, I don’t know if he was the most brilliant Pakistani, but him being an Ahmadi must have played a key role in him being awarded Nobel. You see David Lean needed a Muslim like character for Lawrence of Arabia, he knew that this was launch of a career, who did he find, a Coptic Christian in Egypt where 90% people are Muslims, and named him Omar Sharif. Coincidence…may be! So here is my take on the situation, I believe we must resist and fight bigotry, extremism and stupidity INDEPENDENT of what west dictates. We must remind the IDIOTS that their actions are not only unethical, criminal and against all norms of fundamental principals of justice and fairness but they also play in the hands of “enemies” who constantly point finger at us in order to justify installing these corrupt Sheikhs, Amirs and Generals, invading and occupying our lands and killing our nationals. There must be a grass root home grown resistance against these low lives otherwise they will always get away with it because they knowingly or unknowingly are doing the dirty work of the global capitalist in our countries.

The Congregation (Al-Jumu?ah)
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Wa akharina minhum lamma yalhaqu bihim wa huwal azizul hakim

This is the similar treatment that Allah’s beloved ones have experienced. And now as per sayings of Holy Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) Ahmadies are experiencing. God Almighty never left them alone and will never leave Ahmadies alone.

I think we should not bring the things in different scenario, it is very simple that to abondon the right of study from any human is wrong and who have already invested their 12, 13, 14 n 15 years in a field.

I think there could not be any injustice bigger than this. I wish if our beloved judiciary wont do such act then they would not be doing long march rather they would be passing life with dignity.

@ Karim,
Sir, I understand what you are saying, and I completely agree that there is an obvious conspiracy against the Muslim world indeed by the western nations. But I find that not to be the case when it comes to the field of science, technology and knowledge in general. I’m sure some people have gotton the nobel peace prize who really didn’t deserve it (as in the example that Mr. Raja has stated). but i’m talking about the Nobel prize in the advancement of human knowledge. Hardly any muslims in the recent history of the last 200 years has contributed to it. Fine, throw out the Nobel Prize (there’s more than one kind). I want someone to show me what a Muslim has invented, discovered, or gained insight on in the recent past that has benefitted the Muslim world or mankind in general. I cannot think of a single invention made by a Muslim that is even being used even in the Muslim world. Instead we extend our beggars hand in front of the western powers to allow us to buy their obselete weaponery at full price with interest. It is obvious that we as Muslims have lost our way. Just think about the fact that it was Saudi Arabia who invited to US to launch attacks on Iraq from the Arabian soil. We as Muslims are killing other Muslims. And anybody who is going to tell me that there is no extreme Muslim or shia muslim etc, and we are all just muslim needs to wake up. We have no central leadership, we have no sense of unity, we have no diplomacy even between our own muslim nations. And we are just Muslim? Thats a joke!!!
What has happened to those 23 students, (even if they are guilty of preaching) is a disgrace. We need to keep the greater good of humanity in mind. Those students were training to become doctors and save Human LIVES. Muslim were created to serve mankind, regardless of race, religion or otherwise. When Hazrat Mohammad (SAW) was attacked at Taif, the angle came and asked him if he wants everyone in that city destroyed. Huzoor very emphatically said, NO!!! that their children will one day become Muslim. This was the example shown to us by our beloved Prophet. But I don’t see many muslims follow this example. Instead, I see the most horrific events take place in the Muslim world. The expelling of these students is just another example of the double standard that we have created in our lands and then we wonder why we cannot receive justice from the rest of the world. Until and unless, the minorities in the Muslim countries are treated with justice when it comes to our own affairs, we can neither demand justice from the world, nor should we expect it. Whatever system of double standards we have within our own countries even among the Muslims, we can expect to get the same double standard when it comes to the west.

Dear All Muslims and Non Muslims who participate in this forum and write their comments, some post good comments and some in against every one has right to express its views. Yes Ahmadees are declared as Non Muslim by Pakistan Govt but Pakistan is a Muslim Country and try to practice Muslim Laws, and I am sure in Islam there is no such teaching to stop some one to learn. May Allah bless all of us.

FOR MAHMOOD!

WILL U PLZ QUOTE ME REFERENCE OF ARABIC VERSE – QURAN AND HADITH.

FOR MR TAYYAB!

I totally agree with u not in all respects we are on same wavelength but my point is when we start commenting on such issues or trying to decide we should follow basic principle of Islam.i.e.

La illa ha ill lal la ho Mohammed ur rasool allah

1. ALLAH COMES FIRST
2. MAN / HUMAN BEING COMES NEXT.
3. Amongst man Hazrat Mohammed (pbuh) is above all.
4.For an issue first Guidance from Quran and then from SUnnah and Hadith for all muslims.

READ THIS WITH TRANSLATION:

SURAH BAQRA VERSES:1-29 SPECIALLY 25,26,27.IF U CAN KEEP READING UPTO 108

SURAH IMBIA VERSE 1-10
SURAH YASIN VERSE 1-12

Well I leave it to Allah to giude us who comes first.

@RAJA,

Well Said.

May Allah give you honor in this life and hereafter, Ameen.

Dear Raja ,

I am a Muslim and I am a very independent person.

I don’t want any Sunni Mullah or Ahmadi Mullah to tell me what Islam is.

I am an Ahmadi by birth like you are Rajput by birth and I cannot change that reality.

Ahmadi Mullahs and Non Ahmadi mullahs love dogmatic discussions and useless details of theology etc.

Their bread and butter depend on such controversies and Allama Iqbal also mentioned that Non Ahmadi Mullahs don’t want to finish Ahmadiyyat as it is a permanent source for their bread and butter.

Muslim world need practical actions rather than talks in mosques like Tablighi people do or boastful claims and propaganda which Ahmadiyya jamaat do on their Muslim Television Ahmadiyya.

European countries are based on Greco Roman Culture , which is based on pork, wine, dog and opportunities of mixing of opposite sex which leeds to free sex.

Where as Muslim Culture is based on Kalima Shahada, circumcision, halal meat, no wine, no dog, ” Haya ” , ” Parda ” and strong marriage institution etc.

European countries have become one in the form of EU and they are one with USA and NATO is a united force to protect their Greco Roman culture , where as Muslims are fighting for ” Chapatis ” and crumbs of bread .

I tell you that you cannot win from extremely cunning and ultra rich and resourceful Ahmadi Mullahs , thats why I hinted in my above post to do legal audit of their activities and one can show their luxurious life style in Rabwah and Pakistan and one can show their wealth and those mega homes to Western countries.

Ordinary Ahmadies are just brain washed slaves , but Ahmadiyya leadership is extremely cunning and they are no different than other feudal Pirs and parasite families of Pakistani society.

When rule of law and awareness will come to Pakistan , then people will be able to understand extreme wealth and deception of these parasite families of Pakistan.

These Ahmadi students will be reinstated and this noora Khusti and drama will be finished soon.

When we were in a University then we noticed that Jamaat Islami wanted to own every thing, Tablighi people wanted to brain wash us with their Talk Talk and just Talk, Ahmadies were showing off their power and cleverness, secular Parties wanted to have Mujras and dances there ,….so all of them are cheap talkers and sloganeers ,..

Students were gathering assault rifles and grenades in Campuses and instead of gathering intelligence and preventing clashes ,professors were busy enjoying their bungalows, fat salaries and mutton roasts ,..

They woke up when four students were slaughtered one day…

Why Could’t empty sloganeers and empty drums of Jamaat Islami excel is applied Technology and why they miserably failed in the creation of any Islamic welfare State.

Despite billions of Chanda consumption by Jamaat Ahmadiyya , we don’t see any Ahmadiyya Islamic welfare State either..

Cheap selfish people who don’t know what rule of law is

Uphold Medical Education for All in Pakistan, Despite Cries from Clerics

I am writing to protest the expulsion last week of 23 medical students from Pakistan’s Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad, only because they belonged to a minority religious group the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. In a letter issued from the College Principal naming the 15 girls and 8 boys, a vague reason cited for expulsion was ‘religious dispute’ and distribution of ‘hate material.’ Nothing could be farther from the facts. Firstly, Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan and worldwide are outstanding, peaceful, law-abiding citizens, who adhere to their motto “Love for All, Hatred for None.” Secondly, religious outcry and hate propaganda were in point of fact waged against the Ahmadi students by a mob of extremist clerics called the ‘Islami Jamiat e Talaba.’ Ironically, in executing the expulsion, the Principal and Government-run medical college complied with demands from the clerics. I remind the honorable Principal that his college is a steward of the future of Pakistani medicine. This duty requires that he should rise above the cackle of the cleric and prevent religious bigotry from overrunning decisions made by the College. By denying innocent medical students the right to completing their education, solely based on their religious affiliation, Pakistan will continue to fall not only in the eyes of the global medical and scientific community but more importantly in the estimation of God. Thus for the sake of God, country, and the universal codes of medical practice that the college claims to uphold, I humbly request that Punjab Medical College rescind its decision to expel the Ahmadi students.

Sohail Husain is Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut, USA

Dear An Ahmedi,

I am delighted that you have reverted and a true muslim.

Every human is born on DEEN E FITRAT i.e. Islam but bed and family he is born on and with majorly decides his path till he becomes capable of living his life alone ie puberty and fardiath of salat and soom.

Donot be ashamed you were born muslim but misled and ALLAH GIVES GUIDANCE TO ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK. PLZ SEE MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS.

FOR many others to tell, I am related to Sir zafar ullah
as inlaw of my grand father left them then when world use to call them muslims.

My Best friend is QADI I used to protect him and his fellow
when attacked or threatened by jammat physically. He EVEN tried to convert me. BUT all this time I kept my faith not fooled by appearance,talk, money and status.

I may sound like an intolerent Muslim to some.BUT you can see whom I WORKED AND spent my life with.

Reason I am on this to tell people what our priorty is.

DEAR Sohail,

PLZ donot let ur self be fooled as living in west is good enough for brainwashing.

TO tell u I am SURGEON may be BETTER placed than u in west.
And I know what TALIM IS and its value but WE HAVE TO SEE
who is harmming us.

YOU believe it or not IT IS JEHAD. best of it is its Jehad bl NAFAS to i.e. jehad with our own self.

Hazrat Mohammed(PBUH) SAID
….Fitna of our UMMAH is MAAL…. – Sahi BOKHARI Hadith cHAP OF FITNA.

ON the day of Qiamat YOU WILL BE RISEN AMONST THOSE YOU DIE WITH,( BOTH PHYSICALLY AND METMORAPHICALLY ).

May I ASK you why not your heart cries same way for PALESTINIANS (KILLED), IraqiS (slaughetred), Checanies ( raped and burnt alive), Afghanees, Kasmiris etc same way as these 23 on expulsion.

plz decide your Kiblah is it manhattan-rabawa or MAKKHA-Kabba.
plz read sura yaseen with urdu translation.

This is highly disgraceful incident. Ahmadis are do not hurt anyone becouse they believe in LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE. Then why they are being subjected to such a violent action.

ALLAH HU AKBAR … !!

Comment by Aamir pakistani on June 8, 2008 @ 11:53 pm

My dear Mr.Aamir,

How did you say all of that ??

Just don’t throw a stone in the dark … Hamara Kalma wohi hai jo hur Musalman ka hai …..

Humara Qura’an wohi hai jo hur Musalaman ka hai ..

Hamara Eemaan wohi hai jo hur Muslim ka hai ..

Hamara aitqa’ad wohi hai jo hur Muslim ka hai ..

Mery dost, we’ve some conflict just in two or three points … Beside of these, we’ve everty thing similar to yours all …

La Ilaha Illalhu Muhammad Ur Rasol ULLAH

Comment by Zaheer on June 11, 2008 @ 5:25 pm

Mr.Zaheer, please don’t blame to just the ones, As you all known of it, we have no support of Government as well as the Nation of Pakistan, might be, It’s showing to everyone that Ahmadis are the guilty … !! Please probe into this matter and come up with the Actual report, that would prove whose behind the curtain …..

If you would find Ahmadis are guilty, so that’s okay, grab them into court and start trail on all of them. If report proves they’re not guilty, think about whatever is being discussing against of us …

But, prove the real story line, first .. !! Then, you can all say anything about us ..

Comment by RAJA on June 11, 2008 @ 3:47 pm

Mery KHUDA !!! :O

Raja sb, Have you seen an Ahmadi while in Namaz??

Lahol Walah Quwwata !!

Comment by RAJA

Raja sb., well said … !!

Comment by “an ahmedi” were quite interesting and told lot of about Rabwah.

Someone here said tht tableegh is all about talk,talk and talk. Havin an experience of living with tableeghis, the thing is quite reverse. Yes it’s only talk for those who cant even move their asses out of homes while in reality tableegh is all about moving from one place to another place and spread the message of Islam. if this sounds boring to someone, he should have guts to condemn all Prophets as well since they worked similarly.

I can see that guys like Tayyab who rarely come out of bins have started Mullah bashing again. Weak and helpless only can throw up like that. This attitude is not different than Yanks who blame Osama even if their kids pee in pants.

This is for sure that reading does not make any one educated. Jamiat Guys do not even take any guidence from Quran. They and people like them has make image of Pakistan and Muslims as terrorists. They are not even close to the teaching of Holy Prophet Muhammad Pease Be Upon Him.

Dear Jamat Islami Talaba..you are wrong..your are wrong..
God will curse on you for this act;

There is another “Karim” (the above) on the board, the previous comments (like the one below) on the subject were from me, in order to avoid confusion I will use Karim G from now on.

Tayyib, I see where you are coming from and completely understand your frustration, but please don’t fall for the symbols of prestige like Nobel that the west has created. Yes Mandela got it, but so did Begin, when it comes to Muslim world they truly do choose to give to the one that in some way undermines the ruling systems, not to say that I have any thing great to say about the ruling systems in Muslim countries but I am just commenting that the west always always and ALWAYS has it’s wrested interest and it will never honour any body that some how is not symbolic in a negative way in Muslim world. Edward Said (not a Muslim but Arab) was a brilliant man, his life and death were ignored by the western establishment, had he different political positions on world affairs, I am sure all the world’s awards and praise would have been showered on him. On the contrary Shirin Ebadi is an intellectual light weight (not to take away any thing from her struggle) but she will get the Nobel and the world stage!! So Abdul Salam might be a brilliant man, I don’t know if he was the most brilliant Pakistani, but him being an Ahmadi must have played a key role in him being awarded Nobel. You see David Lean needed a Muslim like character for Lawrence of Arabia, he knew that this was launch of a career, who did he find, a Coptic Christian in Egypt where 90% people are Muslims, and named him Omar Sharif. Coincidence…may be! So here is my take on the situation, I believe we must resist and fight bigotry, extremism and stupidity INDEPENDENT of what west dictates. We must remind the IDIOTS that their actions are not only unethical, criminal and against all norms of fundamental principals of justice and fairness but they also play in the hands of “enemies” who constantly point finger at us in order to justify installing these corrupt Sheikhs, Amirs and Generals, invading and occupying our lands and killing our nationals. There must be a grass root home grown resistance against these low lives otherwise they will always get away with it because they knowingly or unknowingly are doing the dirty work of the global capitalist in our countries.

For Every One !!

Please, do not come up with anything which you don’t know from their roots …

Don’t abuse us, please, have a research and then proclaim what we are .. !!

Hadhrat Mohammad (S.A.W.) didn’t even cursed on the peoples of Ta’aif when they thrown stones on Him .. ALLAH did say, if you like to crash them, I would put mountains on their localities, But Hadhrat Mohammad (S.A.W.) denied and said, No, they’ll soon understand the ISLAM …

Please, I beg to all of you, don’t blame/abuse us … For GOD sake .. !!

I cried last night, when I got back to home, why I did so? Because I saw the two of yours’ comments, one said, we made an alternation in The Holy Qura’an, And we have our own Kalima (Naoozu Billahe)
The second one said, We have our own direction to perform Nama’az which is Rabwah-Manhattan …..

I beg to you all, please have a look on us … What we do, what we want to do.. How we do.. Why we do …..

Please please please, don’t say we are not near to ISLAM… Our life is ISLAM, Our Holy Book is The Qura’an-E-Sharif, Our Prophet is Hadhrat Mohammad (S.A.W.),, We believe in Hadhrat Issa (A.S.) ……

Please, don’t just say we’re not Muslims … Or If you don’t say us Muslims, please, don’t say anything esle which is harmful for us … or even the sad one …..

I hope, ALLAH will help you, us and everyone …

Mirza Adeel Sami,

Don’t cry crocodile tears. You belie Muhammad (Peace be upon him), when he said there is no Prophet After me, if there was one, it would have been Umar (May Allah be pleased with him).

‘Alyaoma Akmaltu Lakum Deenukum’ what does that mean? Allah completed the deen for the people and then there is no need for a *NEW PROPHET*. Did Allah lie or did Muhammad lie? No, they didn’t lie but Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani lied and lead people astray.

Sahaba, who were educatd by Muhammad (S.A.W.W) and whose language was Arabic KNEW EXACTLY THE MEANING OF Khatim un Nabe-een. Thats why when two liars muselma kizzab and Aswad al Unsi claimed Prophethood, Sahaba fought them until the sahaba got rid of them.

Win Win Situation

No regrets.

Jamatis Got rid of those Qadianis.

Qadianis will now get scholarships and free immigration in the western countries. So its a win win situations for both the parties.

BalakhS,

Ahmadis believe in Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (as) to be the promised reformer (the Imam-e-Mahdi) and the second Jesus (who was awaited to come).

As every Muslims believes that Jesus is to come back his second coming, we believe he has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (as)

To believe or not to believe is a personal matter. But to persecute the followers for their belief is a grave SIN. The Holy Quran says “There is no compulsion in Religion” and at another place it says addressing the Kuffar “For you your relifion and for me my religion”

May Allah enable us to stick to the Quranic injunctions to promote and maintain peace and harmony in the society.

Waseem,

So it was 2 in 1, combo?

The guy was confused, first he said he was Imam Mahdi and then he changed himself to Jesus and then he died before the Anti-Christ.

So Ghulam Kafir Qadiani didn’t have any father? Jesus didn’t have any father.

Faris,

Its un Islamic to use bad language for a religious leader and to call any one “Kafir”. Only Allah is the Judge for that and not you. So please do restrain from those harsh words.

Back to your post:

The same allegation that you raised was raised against the beloved Holy Prophet of Islam (saww) by the non-Muslims.

The non-Muslims say that the Holy Prophet (saww) was confused Nausbillah because he first said he was sent to his near relatives and close friends.
Then he after some time he further went to say he was sent to his Tribe. After some time he added he was sent to whole Arabia and at the end declared himself Khattam an Nabiyyun and Rahma tul lil Alameen. i.e. Last law bearing prophet.

The answer for both your allegation and the allegation from non-Muslims regarding the Holy Prophet is the same:
The answer is that: These Holy people did not speak out of their own. When they were informed from Allah regarding their mission only then did they convey the message to their people. They did not have their self desires but rather complete submission to the will of Allah for his mission.

When the Holy Prophet (saww) got his first revelation he claimed Prophethood first to his close ones and it was after more Instructions from Allah, that he went to the Hill to declare Prophet hood to Meccans. And it was far after that, that he declared to be the Last law bearing prophet.

Similarly Hazrat Miraza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (as) declared to be the Mahdi when he was instructed by Allah. He faced lots of prosecutions but because he was true, he hold fast to his claim and always swathe help of Allah with him. Then Allah informed him that he was also the Jesus to come and that the former Jesus (Hazrat Isa as) had died a natural death like any other prophet (grave in Kashmir: http://www.tombofjesus.com).
It was after Allah’s informing him that he declared that he was the Isa (as) that all religions were waiting to come.

He was true, so Allah helped him in his divine mission. Now Ahmadis are spread all over the world.

We have our own Television channel: http://www.mta.tv operating 24hrs a day preaching his divine mission of peace and submission to the will of Allah.

To learn more: http://www.alislam.org

PEACE

Wasim,

Don’t dare to Put Muhammad (S.A.W.W) next to THE ZALEEL, Mirza Qadiani.

It is ignorance to not call a liar a liar. AbuJahal may have respect among his group of ‘FITNA-PARASTS’, but for the followers of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), Abu-Jahal was Father-Of-Ignorance.

Abu-Jahal or similars may have respect among the Qadianis but not among Muslims.

In the similar way, for the followers of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), Ghulam Kafir Kadiani deserves a the title of “QADIANI THE KEZZAB”.

You can confuse the Naive Muslims with your false idealogies and buzz words like PEACE & HARMONY. For the followers of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), Muhammad (S.A.W.W) was THE LAST OF PROPHETS and any one who claims to have recieved PROPHETHOOD AFTER HIM IS AN IGNORANT LIAR.

May Allah curse the false prophets like Ghulam Kafir Qadiani.

Comment by a muslim on June 9, 2008 @ 12:43 am

Ahmed dont play ur game//i have enough information about qadiyanies…i have refrences too..should i publish here what is d real picture of qadiyaanies?

Q: Who are Qadiyanis?

A: Qadiyanis also known as Mirzai, Ahmadi, Lahori, etc. are a sect of people who do not believe that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the last prophet. The founder of the sect Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835 – 1908) claimed to be the Messiah whose advent has been foretold by the Holy prophet of Islam and whose advent was awaited by Jews, Christians and Muslims. The mainstream muslims do not consider Qadiyanis muslims

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani, the fonder of Qadiyanism or Ahmadism, so called Ahmadiya Movement in Islam wrote about prophesies of a prophet:

a. The Torah and the Qur’an admit that the most truthful evidence of prophethood are the prophesies, and

b. It is not possible that God’s revelations be not confirmed by their fulfillment.

Let us examine the prophesies of the writer who claimed himself to be a prophet (nabi) and the Promised Messiah (al-Masih al-Maw’oud). If a single prophecy is not fulfilled, it would show that such a prophet is an imposter and a liar.

Rains and earthquakes
Ghulam Ahmad wrote, “God revealed to me that frequent rains will come down. Due to their frequency villages will be destroyed. After them will follow severe earthquakes”. He did not specify where and when. If it was to be in India, there are some regions which receive a lot of rain and there are other areas which feel earthquakes. This is not a prophecy.

Abdullah Atham’s death
A Christian, Abdullah Atham entered into a debate with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in 1893; neither succeeded in winning over the other. It was embarrassing to Ghulam Ahmad and feeling insulted, on June 5, 1883 he announced that he had been informed by God that Abdullah Atham would die within fifteen months, that is, September 5, 1894. Ghulam Ahmad supplicated to God for the death of Abdullah Atham by his announced date of death and he asked his followers to join him in praying for the curse to come true. The deadline came and went but Abdullah Atham lived and for a long time. Ghulam’s invocations and supplications were of no use and Allah proved that he was not His prophet.

Multiple marriages
On February 20, 1886 Ghulam Ahmad declared that indeed Allah revealed to him that he shall marry blessed women and he shall have numerous children from these new wives. He was then 46 years old. The fact remains that he could not marry anyone after his declared revelation from Allah despite several efforts and a crush on Muhammadi Begum.

Marriage to Muhammadi Begum
Ghulam Ahmad at age 46 had a crush on a young lady by the name of Muhammadi Begum daughter of Ahmad Beg, one of his followers. Ghulam asked her father to marry her to himself which he refused. Ghulam Ahmad announced a prophecy that she will be married to him because Allah had married her to him and no one had power to turn away from that becoming true. He offered bribes of estate and wealth to Ahmad Beg. When it did not work he begged for his pity, brought family pressure and finally made threats. The first prophecy of marriage to Muhammadi Begum failed.

Ahmad Beg did not budge from his position and married his daughter to an ordinary soldier. Ghulam Ahmad prophesied that the husband of Muhammadi Begum would die soon and she would be married to him since their marriage had taken place in the heavens. He fixed a three year period for the death of the soldier husband of his beloved lady. Twenty two years later Ghulam Ahmad died but the soldier lived for another forty years and she lived even longer. The second prophecy of marriage to Muhammadi Begum failed.

A spark of the light of God
A son was born to Ghulam Ahmad on June 14, 1899 when he was 59 years old. He gave him the name, Mubarak Ahmad and declared, “this lad is indeed a spark of the light of God, the promised reformer, the owner of greatness and authority, possessor of healing breath like the Messiah, curer of diseases, a word of God and lucky. He will become famous in the four corners of the world, he will set prisoners free and through him all nations will be blessed.”

Allah had His plan to prove once again that Ghulam Ahmad was neither a prophet nor “the Promised Messiah” by showing that He did not reveal anything to him nor inspired him with anything nor chose him a prophet nor divinely guided him (Mehdi). Mubarak Ahmad died of natural causes at age 8 in 1907, less than a year before the death of the false prophet and the false messiah.

The birth of another son
When Ghulam Ahmad’s wife became pregnant, he announced on January 1, 1903, “Praise be to Allah Who bestowed upon me in spite of old age four sons and has given me good news of a fifth”. On January 28, 1903 his wife delivered a daughter who died in infancy. This was first failed prophecy of a son.

His wife became pregnant again and he prophesied that she will deliver a son about whom he said, “the son of nobility will be born – a lad goodly-shaped and handsome.” She delivered a baby girl on June 24, 1904. This was the second failed prophecy of a son.

Again a son
After two disappointments and proving himself to be a false prophet, he announced again that Allah had given him the news, “Verily, We give you tidings of a meek boy.” He announced the date of the birth of the boy to be September 16, 1907 which was never fulfilled. This was the third false prophecy of a son.

In October 1907 he pronounced yet another revelation from Allah, “I shall soon bestow upon you a righteous boy” and his name was announced to be Yahya. Alas, the prophesied son never came and the false prophet Ghulam Ahmad himself died on May 26, 1908. This was the fourth false prophecy of a son.

A son to one of his followers
Manzoor Muhammad, one of his followers, informed him that his wife was pregnant. Ghulam Ahmad prophesied cautiously in stages that Manzoor’s wife will deliver a boy from this pregnancy or from a later pregnancy and child’s name will be “Bashir-ud-Dawla”. After such safeguards in his prophecy he emphasized, “Manzoor Muhammad’s wife shall not die unless she gives birth to this noble son and until his prophecy is fulfilled.”

Manzoor Muhammad’s wife delivered a baby girl and afterwards she never conceived and died without giving a boy. Doesn’t it look like Ghulam Ahmad was working against Allah’s Will?

The plague
Ghulam Ahmad feared plague very much and declared it to be one of his signs. He prophesied that the epidemic then ravaging in the Indian Province of Punjab will not enter his town of Qadiyan because it was the dwelling place of “God’s prophet.” God proved him a liar again. Plague spread in Qadiyan and in Ghulam Ahmad’s own house; his maid and a few of his followers died of plague.

The death of Dr. Abdul Hakim
Dr. Abdul Hakim entered into a discussion with Ghulam Ahmad, challenged him to an open debate and called him a liar. Ghulam Ahmad did not take it very well and prophesied, “Abdul Hakim will die during my life-time as he insults and disgraces me.” On May 4, 1907 Dr. Abdul Hakim responded with his own prediction that Ghulam Ahmad will die within fifteen months, that was by August 4, 1908. Ghulam Ahmad responded to Dr. Abdul Hakim’s prediction by adding to his own prophecies:

(a) Dr. Abdul Hakim will die during the life-time of Ghulam Ahmad, and,

(b) Ghulam Ahmad will live to be eighty years of age, which was to be 1920 or later.

Ghulam Ahmad died within a year on May 26, 1908, at age 68 and Dr. Abdul Hakim lived for many more years to become an old man.

Ghulam Ahmad’s prophecies and self deprecation

On various occasions when he announced a prophecy he would self-deprecate if the prophecy was not fulfilled. A few of his announcements are given below:

1. “If what I have said does not happen exactly, I am prepared for every punishment. My face be blackened and I be insulted. A rope be put round my neck and I be hanged”.

2. “Prepare for me a cross if my falsehood is exposed and curse me more than the Satan, the evil and the accursed.”

3. Regarding his burning love and lust for Muhammadi Begum, a daughter of one of his followers, he said, “Her marriage (to me) is a settled affair. I swear by God that this is true. They shall not have the power to thwart its occurrence. God Almighty has said, ‘We have ourselves married her to you, it is not possible that My words may change’.”

Further, he said, “There is no changing of the Word of Allah. The meaning is that this prophecy of mine is bound to become true as the failure of its fulfillment falsifies the Word of God”.

In fact, the Word of God is never falsified but a liar speaking in the name of God is exposed. He further said, “If this prophecy does not turn out to be true I shall be the most evil of the evils, ye fools!” Well! He proved himself what he was.

4. “But if this prophecy is not from Thee, O God, then perish me in disgrace and total loss and make me accursed and peltable in Thy view.”

5. “For ascertainment of my truthfulness or my falsehood there is no better thing than my prophesies.” Well! We know the truth, don’t we?

Allah repeatedly failed Ghulam Ahmad in his prophecies to prove to the world that this man was a liar, an imposter and an inventor of a new religion which was not Islam.

References to the quotations and events mentioned in this brochure may be found in QADIYANIAT, AN ANALYTICAL SURVEY by Ehsan Elahi Zaheer, published by Idara Tarjuman Al-Islam, Shish Mahal Road, Lahore, Pakistan, 1981, Chapter VII, pp.184-226

Hello and Assalm-O-Alikum…
Pakistan is equally land FOR IJT and Ahmadies…
no one has right to stop them from their RIGHTS….
this is totally UNJISTICE….

student shud only b stopped from doing that…
they shud be given warnings…

but what is this way of expulsion….? they r students of medical college, only bcuz they r elgible to b student of a MEDICAL COLLEGE…. /

expulsion is wronG…!!!!

aNY DISCRIMINATION on the basis of religion, or financial status in a educational institute is wronG…/

it gonna rise hate among ppl, if u discriminate……/ what pakistan is going to have after this…….?

:P

IJT is carrying guns, Ahmadies neva took guns.
IJT shud also b expelled then….//////////

but its not a solution to expell all…. the best way is to maintain law n order, giving warnings n banning ny extremist organization. (I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT AHMADIES ARE NOT EXTREMIST, BUT IJT MAY BE)

Albela,

Quran says (Al-Furqan Chapter 25 : Verse 64) and I quote:

And the true servants of the Gracious God are those who walk on the earth humbly and when the ignorant address them, they avoid them gracefully by saying, ‘Peace!’

This was the practice of the Holy Prophet (saww) with regards to the ignorant. I will obeying the Holy Prophet and his book by saying “PEACE”

PEACE

Waseem,

You take Quran in bits and pieces and distort the meanings when it goes against you.

Jesus never had a father. Is it not mentioned in Quran? So did Qadiani had no father?

But then you would distort the meanings of Quran.

your comments….

The non-Muslims say that the Holy Prophet (saww) was confused Nausbillah because he first said he was sent to his near relatives and close friends.
Then he after some time he further went to say he was sent to his Tribe. After some time he added he was sent to whole Arabia and at the end declared himself Khattam an Nabiyyun and Rahma tul lil Alameen. i.e. Last law bearing prophet.

Here you lie again, Kuffar of Mecca never claimed that Muhammad was confused. Rather they agreed that he was trust worthy, truthful and honest person. Even after the prophethood they never said Muhammad (S.A.W.W) was confused. They said he was a POET, he was a magician, but never said he was confused.You lie here again, just like your CULT Leader , Ghulam Kafir Qadiani

Muhammad S.A.W.W never claimed that he was only sent for his family only and then later changed it to the whole Arabia. You lie here again.

Muhammad S.A.W.W never claimed that there will be a Prophet after me and then changed it to Khatim-un-nabieen, later.You lie here again

aslamo alikum,
i am in favour of Ahamdi’s coz there is no fault of them they have same rights as others have.So.why there is a discrimination between Ahmadi’s students n others.I request on behalf of BBC to the higher authorities to take a step for reinstation of ahmadi’s students as soon as possible.n for those people n students having anti-ahmadiat thinking i would like to make them read a saying of HOLY PROPHET (PBUH)”don’t say any thing against the idols of kuffars they will abuse to your God”.Alhm ahmadis are patriotic n they are serving Pakistan.Dr.salam got noble prize for this country but u didnot accept his services for sake of God,donot make our God angry.for further information mail me no_never85@hotmail.com and http://www.alislam.org

Interesting comments by those parties. What I find interesting that Qadyanis believe that Jesus(AS) is burried in KASHMIR. It’s quite funny though(and offcourse against Quran) :-)

To all qadi’s ( non-believers).
plz answer truly.

AND ACCEPT ISLAM. OTHERWISE FROM TODAY U WILL SEE HELL ON EARTH.

1.your kalima – la illa ha ill lala ho ahmed ur rasool allah.
2.DO U PAY ZAKAT AND WHAT PERCENTAGE.?
3.HOW MANY OF U HAVE PERFORMED HAJJ BAITULLAH- DID MIRZA GM HIMSELF PERFORMED HAJJ?
4.WHY MIRZ GM HAS REVELATION AS MEHDI, THEN MASSIAH AND THEN DEMOTED TO KHALIFA.
5,HOW MANY OF QADI’S HAVE PERFORMED JEHAD.
6.WHEN DID HE SAID PRAYER BEHIND IMMAM MEHDI?
7.WHEN DID HE SPOKEN TO CHRISTIANS TO BECOME MUSLIMS.
8.HIS RELATIONSHIP AND MEETINGS WITH BRITISH RAJ.
9.WHEN QADIS TAKE ASSYLUM WHY IN WESTERN WORLD WHY NOT IN ANY MUSLIM STATE.E.G. SAUDI ARABIA

PLZ BE CLEAR OTHERWIS ALLAHA WILL COME DOWN WITH ALL HIS FORCE UPON U AND WORLD WILL SEE U PERISHING – INSHAHALLAH

WHEN TRUTH FALLS ON FALSEHOOD ,FLASEHOOD PERISHES.

Expulsion of students, though reflects ugly, but for different reasons has been part of academic histories. But this expulsion is absolutely different from any other such incident. Probably for the first time in the history, a significant no. of students were thrown out for no other reason but due to their affiliation with a community which is not liked by some others. And those “some others” are the ones who have the potential of (and who had been) using the stick and gun to ensure the implementation of their wants. But the true question arises here that are these the ones who truly represent the society? For decades we have been suffering from a serious self-deception that “no they are a very minute minority and that MOST of the people of this society are peace-loving and justice-oriented”. Things happened, in 1953, more happened in 1974, continued in 1984, and then every year brutalities against this community established their own unmatched standard. During all this happenings we (I don’t know for what reason) kept on believing that “No, one day those peace-loving and just people will stand up and raise their voice against these atrocities” – But no one stood up. Houses were burnt, people were killed, innocent children were made orphans, properties were looted, jobs and businesses were snatched, careers were spoiled – But NO… ONE … SPOKE.

Now one might argue; that what is the point in raising voice against all these odds? This is one minor community of this country of more than 160 million people. Moreover when the whole world knows that this is the community who would never raise any arms, would never give strike calls, would never do long marches or block highways. Hence all these dreadful acts can just be condoned – in short why take the pain of others. And believe me this thought will get millions of people to second it as well. Yes, there is no need. No need, because all of those who maintain such thoughts don’t remember what their religion itself talks about. They don’t remember what that most beautiful and perfect prophet taught them. They have forgotten completely as to what they were advised to follow and practice in their everyday lives. And finally they have no idea what they will be held ACCOUNTABLE for.

Here I don’t feel a need to quote those thousands of incidents where our beloved prophet demonstrated by truly practicing what he used to preach. This alone proves the power of action over mere words and empty speeches. This is because we all know how he treated all those who were even his opponents i.e. Jews etc. But today it looks as if we have forgotten how he had set everlasting examples of true justice in which benefit of doubt were given to a Christian over solid proves presented by a Muslim. So we forgot both the teachings and also the actions.

OK, probably you are not that religious, and you don’t get into such minute details of what were the teachings, and what were the examples set by those whom we associated ourselves with. But then there are the most basic standards of ethics and civil society. Are we complying with any of those to the most fundamental degree? But may be we don’t have time to even ask this basic question from ourselves.
So religion is not our chapter; as we forgot all what was taught and demonstrated to us. Then we don’t have time to take care of ethics. So what’s the big deal? May be we can satisfy ourselves, as each one of us already has enough of our own problems and challenges to deal with instead of getting involved into some kind of hunt for truth or justice – and for whom ? For these people who apparently don’t have a say. Probably one would laugh.

OK, lets look at the society, which is storming with such thoughts and minds. Today this country tops the corrupted nations of the world. Today each segment of this country has been globally disreputed for their own deeds. Be it politicians, sportsmen, diplomats, forces, common people, Executive bodies, Legislative bodies, courts etc. Even after being a big agricultural country we are begging for grains. This list can go on and on, but since the purpose of this letter is not highlighting all this so I will cut it short. Just one request; why is it all happening? Doesn’t our religion entitle us for being the best of the nations of the world and to remain at the top. Yes, it does but only if we remember the teachings – which we have forgotten. Don’t we trust that our religion brings to us the best teachings and practicing those would bring success to us individually as well to our society collectively? Then why don’t we exercise all those?

About the said expulsion of students of medical college; many have given their verdicts on many websites and discussion forums. Many of them have supported the act attributing this to be a service to the religion. Everyone knows that many of such services to Islam are behind what Islam is being understood as in the whole world. Since we did not stop those at that time; today this most beautiful religion is being considered to be the evil behind anything going wrong anywhere in the world. In this particular incident couldn’t that “vast” majority of peace-lovers stand up for fairness and justice. Couldn’t anyone demand an unbiased investigation of the issue? Couldn’t anyone think of the futures of all those brilliant students who reached this institute. Couldn’t anyone foresee what this might lead to? Couldn’t someone put himself into the shoes of these students and work out as how would it all have passed onto him, had all this been happening to him? Couldn’t one just imagine what kind of “great” image this will further build for Islam? Couldn’t one think of the precedent it would set for our generations to come and do such more “services” to Islam? The list of such questions may go on and on but had the society arouse on any of the thousands of such occasion the situation and probably the fate of this society would have been lot different. So isn’t it the time that the society stands up to stop any such efforts to disfigure the face of Islam. Do we have the slightest sense of ownership for our religion?

The point that I wanted to make comes now. Undoubtedly Islam is the best religion of all times. But it can not give us anything if we forget the teachings. Even if we remember the teachings but we only use those for writing voluminous books, delivering flaring speeches; then they can only bring more unrest in the society as this is nothing but hypocrisy – something that Islam completely rejects. So actions as per the TRUE teachings are required. This society is not going to achieve anything by implementing its heinous plans against this community. Moreover making this community to keep their mouth shut because one knows that their strength of actions and character is going to affect our “business of religion”, should be a worry of today’s Mullah – not a common man. The common man needs to speak up and he has to practice what he was told to practice almost fifteen hundred years ago. This society will have (and is already paying) the cost of deviating from the teachings and then due to derailing from the basic norms of an ethical society. One might not understand and might not be able to relate such injustices to the way this society is deteriorating today; but this is something that is called Taqdeer of Allah The Almighty. If the common man of today wants to have peace for their children they have to opt for it today. We have to bring the true taste of Islam into the daily life of each one of us. We have to trust our faith, and that ultimate success is indeed conditional to our strong bond and practical affiliation with this lovely and “peaceful religion”. This is the only way we can spread the true essence of Islam to the whole world. This is the only way forward which would enable us to live in peace and gift the same to our children. May All The Almighty Bless us with the vision and wisdom to look for the right path and the strength to march forward on the same, Aameen.

Dear Abu Ayan,

Nice speech. BUT U HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION PLZ DO SO.
This is what u guys good at. DISTRACTING.

MAY ALLAH TAKE AWAY ALL THINGS FROM U UR MAAL/MONEY, FAMILY ,STATUS UR RESPECT UR LIFE U UR LIFE AND DEATH BE HELL FOR U FROM TODAY.- INSHALLAH.

THIS IS NOT MY REVENEGE BUT WILL BE REVENGE OF ALLAH AND HE WHO KNOWS BEST.

This is what we know already and u dont have to tell.

No better has explained better than Mohammed (pbuh) and Quran its self.

And we have been told we have not forgotten.Thats why we are against u.

U mean fighting against KUFR & murtids(e.g.) is barbaric THEN Allah NAUZ u Billah all Gazwat were act barbarism led by MOHAMMED (PBUH) and With will of ALLAH. AND all wars post WISAL by Haz’T. Abu Bakar rzu and Haz’T Umar rzu against Murtids.

MY FELLOW MUSLIMS TODAY I DECLARE JEHAD IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE MOST GRACOIUS AND MERCIFUL ON AHMEDI’S ALL OVER THE WORLD – SAME FATAW APPLIES AS ON SALAMAN RUSHDY. IF HE IS TO BE KILLED THESE SHOULD BE STOPPED.

AHMEDIES /QADAYANNIS NOT ONLY WENT AGAINST QURAN, PROPHET MOHAMED( PBUH) BUT ALSO ON HAZ’T EASA- JESUS( PBUH) AS THEY HAVE DECLARED A GRAVE AS TOMB OF JESUS.HURTING AND ATTACKING CHRISTIANS BELIEF AND FAITH.

AL QURAN
BIS MILLAH AR REHMAN- ER RAHIM

” How shall Allah giude those who disbieved( kufr) after their imann ( faith) and alraedy bore witness to The Messenger is true and after clear proofs had come to them. And Allah doesnot guide the wrong doers(ZALMEEN).” 86

“Their retribution is that on them (rests) the curse( laanat) of Allah and the Angels and men,all together. 87

Dwelling therin (HELL) forever. Neither their Punishment will be reduced nor shall they be given respite. 88

Except those who repent after that and reform,surely Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful”

“Those who turned back to kufr after accepting imaan( belief) and then exceld in kufr these ar ones whose tauba ( repentence) will not be accepted, and these are Gumrah( unguided).’90.

” Those people became kafir and died in state of kufr, even if they would like forgiveness, even if they give all worlds golds in exchange, it will not be granted, these people shall have very painful azab( punishment) and none will be able to help them.”

TILQA RASSOL – SURA AL IMRAN , VERSES 86 – 91.

THIS IS WHAT Allaha has in Quran for U QADIS.

PLZ ACCEPT ISLAM-OTHERWISE

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH ,MOST GRACIOUS AND MERCIFUL.

1.Ya Sin.

2.I Swear by the Quran, full of wisdom;

3.Most surely you are one of the Messengers,

4.On straight path.

5.A revelation of the Almighty , the Most Merciful,

6.That You may warn people whose forefarhers were not warned, so they are unmindful.

7.Certainly the Word ( punishment) has proved true most of them, butthey donot believe.

8.Surely, We have placed chains on their necks, raching to the chins so that their heads are raised up.

9.And We have made before them a Wall and a wall behind them then We have covered(parda) them over so that they do not see.

10.And it is equal to them whether you warn( nasihiat) them or do not warn they are not to believe.

PARA 22, SURA YA SIN: VERSES 1- 10.

ALLAH O AKBAR!

TO EVERYONE!

Even if all human race perishes it will not make slightest difference to Universe – Kainat. The number of stars we see in universe are more than that sand particles on all beaches of the world and our Sun is one small star amongst stars. Our world is just a small planet around it and U and me are just one small moral being. Just compare ur self with a mountain which will fly like cotton wool in air on day of Qiamat

See your value how small v are and v try to go against / or match ALLAH.

ON DAY OF JUDGMENT ALLAH WILL CRUNCH WHOLE UNIVERSE IN HIS LEFT HAND AND CRUSH- SAHI BUHKARI.

So what difference will it make to Allah if someone does not believe him or not He is THE CREATOR AND SUSTAINER OF Universe.

One can only do Zulm to him or herself not following Him rightly.

PLEASE I REQUEST AND BEG IN THE NAME OF ALLAH DONT RUN AFTER THIS WORLD AND WORLDLY GAINS BUT FOLLOW ALLAH AND HIS PROPHET MOHAMMED PBUH- BEG FOR YOUR ,MINE AND UMMAH MUSLAMIN’S FOREGIVENESS.

hello everybody,

i want to tell you that it is wrong about is happening to ahmaddies.

if those who claim themselves to be true muslims, should stop persecutions. there is no need for you to protect Islam because Allah does it better than you.

so called true muslims are spreading hatred and violence. dont do zulm on others because Allah will do it on you. just have a look on afganistan and kashmir (i’ll mention only these two for the time being).

afganistan has turned to dust and its the US who is trying to stabilise the situation there as well in Iraq. Muslim countries have lost there blessings that God has bestowed on them. there is no peace in all those muslim countreis because they have done lots of persecutions on innocents. moreover, the muslim countries are not united in the sorrows of of their muslim brothers. there are problems in Syria, Iran and Iraq. why is it so?

instead of doing wrong on Ahmaddies try to solve of the muslim countries.

i still ask myself why Saudi Aarbia does not give a helping hand in the problem of the palestin. why are you not united in those problems if you call yourself muslims. you are all united in abusing ahmaddies but you are not united in your own sorrows.

there will be 72 sects. only one will be the true one. there is instability in the muslim world because they have forgotten that ISLAM means peace. tehre is a need for a reformer.

Dear Farzana,

I have no doubt that u are QADIANI.

And your comment shows ur depth.

To correct you we are muslims and we have 73 sects – Sahi Bukari.

Qadianis are non muslims and so they are far from Imman/sect.

Only one sect will be right and this is who is in practice and acts almost identical to Prophet Mohammed

These 73 sects were formed about 1000 yrs ago. ref: Ghania tul talbin Author, Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Qadir Gilani. ( GHAUS PAK). 30 are SUNNI and 43 are SHIAT. Out of 43 only 2 are muslims but other do Shirk and follow or descenents of Kwarjis ( Jews converted to Islam but not at heart only to divide muslim ummah by misguiding )

I advise you to read such first about true Islam. Begin by reading Quran with translation, donot understand read it again.No Tafseer as these often contains authors point of view.

Then read Sahi Bukhari. Some are with Sharaha. But read with Shara after reading true Hadith.

Why you think that This what I have done. To me QURAN AND SUNNAH unbiased.

Plz also read my previous comments. In my second last comments I qouted Quran and still ur saying.

What happening in AFGHANISTAN is what nothing new. They were in name Muslims before Russian invasion. In 1950s few afghan generals were sent to Russia to get trained when they came back they were socialist and started spreading views they were not stopped as they were considered harmless ( something like Qadis) within 20 yrs Afghan Government and army was of Socialist views instead islam ( ref. 1- verse sura Yasin).

And Allah Azab came down you can see. But only few resisted( Jehad) NONE was QADI and Allah will reward them.Allah is best in his doings. US is not trying to rebuild Afghan but have control over region Because source of oil in middleeast is in Afghanistan .And also destroying Islam.
Something similar happened to Iraq.

This the test of muslim Ummah and toughest time this has to come as Hazrat Mohammed pbuh has told us – Sahi Bukari.

YOU CAN DOWNLOAD SAHI BUKARI.

‘NO ONE will be true MOMIN till his love for me ( Mohammed pbuh) is greater than love for his parents, children, kin and kith and his wealth.’ Hadith.

MIRZA GHULAM AND HIS FOLLOWERS CHALLANGE THIS.

NO QADIANI HAS ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS so far.Which are basics of Islam.

Jehad is CALLED FOR but who will revert by grace of Allah, and ask for Panah will not be hurt.

ALLAH O Akbar …

It’s a fact that no one can cause to understand to others but ALLAH ..

InshALLAH, you all will soon acknowledge the truth ..

Have a great time …….

ALLAH Hafiz

PLZ ANSWER MY QUESTIONS BEFORE? DONT AVOID IF U CANNOT ASK UR MUBALIGHIS.

WHY QADI’S DONOT KEEP SHARAI BEARED?

WHY MIRZA Ghulam Ahemd did not liked names , FATIMA AND KHADEJA?

WHY DID HE BELIEVED IN GANDA, TONA TOTAKA – WHICH IS SHIRK? REF: SURA AL FALQ

i would kindly advise to read books from MIRZA Ghulam Ahmad’s community instead of arguing over something which may not be true. people should avoid asking questions like this. if you want to know the truth read the literatures from the ahmaddiyya community or check their website. its the best way to know the truth. questions will not be avoided and then you can claim the truth yourself.

my question goes to MR RAJA:

i kindly ask you to mention from where you have obtained these information on MIRZA Ghulam Ahmad’s. is there any written proof (i mean any literature from the ahmaddiya muslim community)about what you are asking. where have you learnt or read about these? (refer to books from the ahmaddiyya muslim community)

My Question to Farzana,

So have you guys finalized who was Qadiani?

Imam Mahdi, or Jesus or a new Prophet?

Shaitan can come to any one in his dream and tell him that you are the chosen one, just as BUSH had the dream that GOD told him to attach Iraq.

For the people who think the expelled students careers have been destroyed:

No, these students will now get FREE Immigration, FEE MEDICAL EDUCATION and then they will be awarded Scholarships and awards.

Dear Farzana,

Just look at your answer. This explains all. May ALLAH make your life as miserable as in hell. may allah take your all 5 senses and death miserable.

I cannot slay you being a women but I pray to Allah that u are not be able of even replying it.

I told u to read Quran Sherif and Sahi Bukhari (Sunnah) and you shamefuly asking us to read Mirzas book/phamphlet.

As I told before your Sir Zafar Ullah was related to my Grandfather and we have left them due to their association with Qadis.

I am going to put few sayings of mirza about Hazarat EASA PBUH. This what he says and what Allaha says in Quran.

Christians should also read it.Because they think that we,true muslims has wrongly declared them non-muslims.

Qadis you have forced me to do this because I didnot have the courage to even read it again BUT truth is revealed , Allah plz forgive us of our sins.

“Those who deny Allah and His messengers, and (those who) wish to separate Allah from His messengers, saying: “We believe in some but reject others”: And (those who) wish to take a course midway,-They are in truth (both) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment.”?
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:150-151)

Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham,
Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)
“?(The Holy Quran, Al-Baqara, 2:136; also 3:84)

Mirza Insults the Family of Jesus(pbuh)

1. “Jesus’s three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence.”?

(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda; Anjam-i-Atham, P. 9, appendix)

2. “You may have tried to find a solution to my claims about the Messiah’s parental and maternal grandmothers. I am tired of thinking. Up to now, no nice solution has occurred to me. What a glorious god is he whose paternal and maternal grandmothers are of such repute?”?
(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 394; Nur-ul-Quran, Vol. 2, P. 45)

3. “Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach us that God was born of a woman – and was fed by sucking blood from the womb of his mother for nine months – the blood which had the qualities of prostitutes like the daughters of Saba, Tamar, and Rabah.”? (Anjam-e-Athum, P. 41)

4. “Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them…”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

You might want to compare these devilish statements with those made in the Holy Quran:

At length she (Mary) brought the (baby Jesus) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: “O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! ?O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!
(The Holy Quran, Maryam, 19:27-28)

Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of ‘Imran above all people,- Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. Behold! a woman of ‘Imran said: “O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things .” ?When she was delivered, she said: “O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!”- and Allah
knew best what she brought forth- “And no wise is the male Like the female.
I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected.

(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:33-36)

How does Mirza dare to suggest that the Grandmother of Jesus(pbuh) were prostitutes?

And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes;
and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-?

(The Holy Quran, Al-Noor, 24:4)

Mirza Insults Mary(RA)

1. “Mary’s eminence is such that she put off her marriage for a long time, but after constant pressure of the community leaders, and due to her pregnancy, she accepted to get married. However, people raise objection about how she could have been married while pregnant, that being against the teachings of the Torah. People also object to Mary breaching the oath of celibacy. People also question why Mary set the foundation of polygamy. In other words, why did Mary agree to marry Joseph the carpenter, despite his being already married.”?
(Kasthi-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18; Kasthi-i-Nuh, P. 26)

2. “Mary’s hanging out with her fiancee Joseph before wedlock is a strong testimony of an Israelite custom…. Going out with fiancees among people in some frontier tribes had exceeded the limits to such an extent that some-times pregnancy comes before wedlock, yet it is not looked down upon.”?

*”… Because the Messiah, son of Mary, had worked as a carpenter with his father Joseph for twenty two years, we know that he was able to invent different sorts of machines and instruments.”?
(Ayyam-ul-Sulh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 300) (Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 254)

3. “Jesus’s three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence.”
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

4. “Jesus, The Messiah, had four brothers and two sisters; all of them were his real brothers and sisters. I mean that they all were the offspring of Joseph and Mary.”? (Kashti-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18)

We hope that everyone can readily see what Mirza Ghulam is insinuating here:

* It was common among Jews to go out with their fiancee and have premarital sex;
* Mary(RA) was a Jews and used to go out with his fiancee, Joseph;
* Mary(RA) broke her oath of celibacy (had multiple children);
* Joseph was the Father of Jesus(pbuh);
* Jesus(pbuh) had Paternal grandmothers (did Jesus(pbuh) even have a father?);
* Jesus(pbuh) had brothers/sisters and all were the children of Joseph and Mary(RA).

In short, Mirza insolently suggested that Mary(RA) had engaged in premarital sex with Joseph; and Jesus(pbuh) was the result of that fornication. Each one of these claims of Mirza are unfounded and untruthful charges rejected by the Holy Quran. Let’s see what Allah(SWT) has said about these accusations set forth by Mirza Ghulam Qadiani:

(to Mary) Behold! the angels said:”O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee – chosen thee above the women of all nations.”?

(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:42)

She (Mary) said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!

?(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:47)

That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:156)

And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),-flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-?
(The Holy Quran, Al-Noor, 24:4)

Would any Muslim dare make such shameful allegations against one of the great women in history?

Mirza Attacks the Character of Jesus(pbuh)

1. Jesus(pbuh) called an Alcoholic

“What was the character of Messiah, according to you? An alcoholic and gluttonous person, neither abstinent nor a pious worshipper, nor an adorer of truth. He was an arrogant and self-conceited claimant of divinity.”?

(Noor-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 387; Anjam-e-Atham, P. 5, appendix)

“Jesus could not portray himself as a pious man because everyone knew that he was a gluttonous alcoholic… His claim to Godliness was a result of his bad habit of drinking Wine.”?

(Satt Bachan, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 10, P. 296; Satt Bachan, P. 172, footnote)

“I do not think that Jesus observed any abstinence from wine.”?
(Review of Religions, Vol. 1, P. 124, 1902)

“The root cause of all the damage that alcohol consumption has had on the Europeans was that Jesus used to drink alcohol, perhaps because of some disease or an old habit.”?
(Kashti-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 71; Kashti-i-Nuh, P. 65, footnote)

“Once a friend advised me that opium is good for diabetes and, with that excuse, there is no harm in taking it. I replied ‘thank you very much for your kind advice. However, if I get into the habit of using opium, I am afraid that people will mock that the first Messiah (Jesus) was an alcoholic and the second (Mirza himself) was a drug addict.”? (Nasim-i-Dawat, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 434;Nasim-i-Dawat,P. 66-67)

2. Jesus(pbuh) called a Foul Mouth

“(Jesus) had the habit of uttering obscenities and frequently using foul language.”?

(Zamimah Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 289; Zamimah Anjam-i-Atham, P. 5)

3. Jesus(pbuh) called a Liar

“It should be remembered that he (Jesus) had also to some extent the habit of lying.”?
(Zamimah Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 289; Baraheen-e-Ahmadia, P. 369)

4. Jesus(pbuh) called Immoral

“Then surprisingly hazrat Eisa (Jesus), peace be upon him, did not practice the moral teachings himself.”?
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 20, P. 346)

“The teachings of Jesus ruined the whole of Europe since it permitted unrestrained and unconditional liberty. So much so that it resulted in all (practicing) adultery and fornication like pigs and dogs…”?
(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 416)

5. Jesus(pbuh) accused of Promiscuity

a) “Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them, otherwise no pious man could allow a young prostitute to touch his head with her filthy hands, and massage his head with the unclean perfume purchased with the earnings of adultery, and rub his feet with her hair. Let the intelligent judge what sort of character such a person must possess.”?

(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda; Anjam-i-Atham, P. 9, appendix)

b) “A beautiful prostitute is sitting so close to him, almost embracing him. Sometimes she massages his head with perfume or holds his feet, at other times she lays her beautiful black hair on his feet and plays in his lap. In that condition, Mr. Messiah is sitting in ecstasy. If someone rises to object, he is scolded. In addition to his youth, dependency on alcoholic beverages, and being a bachelor, a beautiful prostitute is lying in front of him touching her body against his. Is this the behavior of a virtuous person? And what evidence or proof is there that Jesus did not get sexually provoked by the prostitute? … The sexual excitement and arousal had done its work to the fullest. This is the reason why Jesus could not even open his mouth to say ‘Oh adulteress! Keep away from me’.”?
(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 449; Nur-ul-Quran, Vol. 2, P. 9; Maktoobat-e-Ahmadia, Vol. 3, P. 23-24)
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6. Jesus(pbuh) called an Impostor

a) “A cunning and wicked (person) who had the soul of Messiah from head to toe.”?
(Zamimah Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 289)

b) He (Jesus) had nothing to his credit except cunning and deceit.”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

c) “A most shameful thing is that the sermon on the mount, which is the essence of the Bible, Jesus plagiarized from Talmud.”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 290, footnote)

7. Jesus(pbuh) called Sinful

a) “…. Now who is responsible for all these sins? The burden of these sins is undoubtedly on Jesus.”? (
Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 416)

b) “Jesus, peace be upon him, repented for his sins at the hands of John the Baptist and became one of his select disciples. This decides the superiority of John the Baptist over Jesus, since it is not proven that John the Baptist ever repented at the hands of anyone.”?
(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 220)

c) “Jesus was not any more righteous than other righteous ones of his time. Indeed, the prophet John the Baptist was superior to him, because he did not consume alcohol, nor allowed any prostitute to massage his head with perfume purchased from her earnings or touch his body with her hands and hair, or that any unchaste woman should serve him. This is the very reason that God named John the Baptist as ‘Circumspect’ (Quran 3:39). But He did not give the Messiah such a title due to these kind of episodes.”?

(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 220)

?Comment: And did Allah(SWT) give this title to any other Prophet? We wonder what their sin was?!!
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Mirza Ghulam exceeded all boundaries of belief and decency when he uttered these words about one of the great Messengers of Allah(SWT). Anyone who has studied the writings of Mirza Ghulam and his supporters will readily realize that all the accusations Mirza levied against our beloved Jesus(pbuh) were among his own faults and shortcomings. By falsely accusing Jesus(pbuh) of these acts, he was hoping to be able to impress upon his naive followers that he was not any different than the first Messiah.

Let’s examine a few verses of the Holy Quran which contradict what Mirza insinuated:

Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus,the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;”

?(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:45)

He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.?

(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:46)

While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him:
“Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the (goodly) company of the righteous.”?

(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:39)

Anyone who knowingly utters such blasphamy has given up faith in Islam.
Mirza Belies the Teachings of Jesus(pbuh)

1. “A most shameful thing is that the sermon on the mount, which is the essence of the Bible, Jesus plagiarized from Talmud and pretended it to be his own preaching. Since this fraud has been exposed, Christians are very embarrassed. Jesus did this to perhaps gain influence by presenting some good teachings… The unfortunate thing is that these teachings are an afford to the rules of Wisdom and upright conscience.”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 290, footnote)

2. “The teachings of Jesus ruined the whole of Europe since it permitted unrestrained and unconditional liberty. So much so that it resulted in all (practicing) adultery and fornication like pigs and dogs. And immortality has spread to such an extent that they even write on wrappers of foreign candies: ‘Kiss me, O my sweetheart’. Now who is responsible for all these sins? The burden of these sins is undoubtedly on Jesus.”?

(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 416)

“… his (Jesus’s) achievements were so poor that he was almost a failure.”?
(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 258)

Mirza was not happy with having attacked the character of Jesus(pbuh), he needed to also reject his(pbuh) very prophethood. Naturally, he had to attack the teachings of this great Prophet, in his attempt at suggesting that his own failures were not any different than the ones he fabricated against the real Messiah! Unfortunately for him, Allah(SWT) rejects this false accusation, as well:

Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favor to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold!…”

?(The Holy Quran, Al-Maeda, 5:110)

Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers:
We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel;
and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy…?
(The Holy Quran, Al-Hadid, 57:27)

Only an unbeliever would utter false charges against Jesus(pbuh).

Mirza Denies Jesus’s(pbuh) Miracles

Miracles of Jesus(pbuh) Called Forms of Deception

1. “It is no wonder that God Almighty may have given Jesus some knowhow so that by pressing a trigger of blowing on it, the clay-toy took flight or, if it did not fly, walked. Because the Messiah, son of Mary, had worked as a carpenter with his father Joseph for twenty two years, we know that he was able to invent different sorts of machines and instruments.”?
(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 254)

2. “Besides, it is also possible that such miracles may have taken place by mesmerism (magic) and for play and amusement, rather than in reality. Since in mesmerism, there are such marvels which come about by the expert practitioner casting his own spirit on objects to make them appear alive… However, Jesus was inferior to Elisha, because even the corpse of Elisha performed that miracle of reviving the dead person who touched him bones. But Jesus’s dead body could not revive the thieves crucified along with Jesus despite their bodies being in contact with Jesus’s body.”?

(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 255)

3. “…He (Jesus) had nothing to his credit except cunning and deceit.”? (Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

Miracles Attributed to a Pond

1. “Very likely he (Jesus, The Messiah) may have healed some blind person or cured some other ailment by ordinary means. Due to luck, there was a pond which was the source of great miracles, during his time. It can be assumed that he also used the clay of the same (magic) pond. The complete reality of his miracles is unfolded by this pond. A categorical inference drawn from the presence of this pond is that, if he performed any miracles at all, they were not his miracles, rather those attributable to this pond. He (Jesus) had nothing to his credit except cunning and deceit.”?

(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)
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2. “The Messiah’s miracles were worthless and insignificant due to the pond which was a source of wonders even before the Messiah’s birth. All kinds of sick, lepers, cripples, etc., used to be cured by one dip in this pond.”?

(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 263, addenda)

3. “It is also possible that the Messiah used to bring the clay of the pond which had the spiritual effect of the Holy Spirit. Anyhow, this miracle (of creating birds and making them fly) was merely a kind of play.”?

(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 263)

4. “The number of objections and doubts about the miracles and prophecies of the Messiah are so great that no other prophet’s miracles or prophecies have been doubted so much. Doesn’t the story of the Pond belittle the Messiah’s miracles?”?

(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 106)

All Miracles Denied

1. “…if he (Jesus) performed any miracles at all, they were not his miracles, rather those attributable to this pond. He (Jesus) had nothing to his credit except cunning and deceit.”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

2. “The Christians have written about many miracles of Jesus, but the fact is that he performed no miracles.”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 290, Addenda)

3. “Let it be known that this practice (of mesmerism) is not as honorable as it is deemed by the public. If I had not regarded this practice as detestable and hateful, I would hope that, by the grace of God Almighty, this humble one (me) would not have been inferior to Messiah, the son of Mary, in showing wonderful acts (of mesmerism).”?
(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 257)

Mirza, quite shamelessly, rejected clear verses of Quran testifying to the miracles of Jesus(pbuh) and charged Jesus(pbuh) to have been deceitful (by magic, invention, or luck). As apparent from the last quote, he only did this because he was not able to perform miracles and he needed a way to discount the miracles of the real Messiah. In His book, Allah(SWT) confirms the miracles of Jesus(pbuh) and testifies that only the unbelievers will dare to call the miracles of Jesus(pbuh) magic acts:

Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother.Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity.Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic’.”

?(The Holy Quran, Al-Maeda, 5:110)

And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message):
“I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;”

?(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:49)

A careful reading of Mirza Ghulam’s own writings paint a clear picture of a misguided individual.

Mirza Accuses Jesus(pbuh) of False Prophecies

1. “To whom can we express our mourning that three prophecies of the Messiah proved to be false?”?
(Ajaz-i-Ahmadi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 121)

2. “The prophecies of this helpless man (Jesus) were merely that earthquakes, famines, droughts, and wars will occur… Why did these stupid Israelites see these common occurrences as prophecies?”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 288, Addenda)

3. “…The state of his (Jesus’s) prophecies is even worse that that (the miracles). What kind of a prophecy is the suggestion that earthquakes will occur, lives will be destroyed, wars will be fought, famine will befall? Even more sorrowful that this, is the fact that the number of prophecies of Mr. Messiah which did not come true is more than those which did.”?
(Azalha-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P.106)

4. “The number of objections and doubts about the miracles and prophecies of the Messiah are so great that no other prophet’s miracles or prophecies have been doubted so much. Doesn’t the story of the Pond belittle the Messiah’s miracles?”?
(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 106)

Much like all prophets of Allah(SWT), Jesus(pbuh) only preached and prophesied what he was told by Allah(SWT). Mirza Ghulam advanced these unsubstantiated charges to discount the repeated failure of his own prophecies. To believers, his statements only serve to point out Mirza’s own insolence and lack of faith. In the Holy Quran, we are told only of the accurate prophecy of Jesus(pbuh) regarding the advent of hazrat Muhammad(SAW). Additionally, by the leave of Allah(SWT), Jesus(pbuh) did perform many miracles:

Behold! the disciples, said: “O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven? ” Said Jesus: “Fear Allah, if ye have faith.” ?They said: “We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle.” ?
(The Holy Quran, Al-Maeda, 5:112-113)

No prophet could (ever) be false to his trust…?

(The Holy Quran, Aal-e-Imran, 3:161)

A believer would be expected to show absolute reverence for a prophet of God; Mirza rejected the verses of the Holy Quran in rejecting Jesus(pbuh).

Mirza Blames Jesus(pbuh) for All the Problems in the West

a) “The teachings of Jesus ruined the whole of Europe since it permitted unrestrained and unconditional liberty. So much so that it resulted in adultery and fornication like pigs and dogs. And immortality has spread to such an extent that they even write on wrappers of foreign candies: ‘Kiss me, O my sweetheart’…”?
(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 416)

b) “Don’t you know that manliness and virility are praiseworthy attributes of men. Being impotent is not a commendable quality just as being deaf and dumb are not commendable. This is a valid point that the Messiah was completely deprived of the greatest of the masculine qualities (e.g. virility) and could not leave a practical example of a perfect and upright social life with his wives. Therefore, the European women took advantage of the extremely shameful laxity and crossed the limits with the consequences of unspeakable acts, fornication, and adultery.”?
(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 392, 393)

c) “The root cause of all the damage that alcohol consumption has had on the Europeans was that Jesus used to drink alcohol, perhaps because of some disease or an old habit.”?
(Kashti-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 71; Kashti-i-Nuh, P. 65, footnote)

d) “God, in keeping to his promise has power over everything. But, he can never send a person (Jesus) to this world the second time, whose first coming caused so much harm.”?
(Dafi’-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 235)

These accusations are not only baseless and inaccurate but also are devoid of Islamic knowledge:

From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment.

And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
?(The Holy Quran, Al-Maeda, 5:14)

Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another’s burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related.
Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah.

(The Holy Quran, Fatir, 35:18)

If ye reject (Allah), Truly Allah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you.
No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men’s) hearts.

?(The Holy Quran, Az-Zumar, 39:7)

Mirza Ghulam was preaching to individuals who were ignorant of Islamic teachings. Any Muslim would readily see that each one of his accusations was a testimony to his own ignorance.

Mirza Questions Jesus’s(pbuh) Prophethood

1. “The Jews have so logically refuted the prophethood and prophecies of Jesus that we only wonder who to reply them. We can only say that we believe in his prophethood because the holy Quran has stated so. There is no other proof to establish his prophethood; on the contrary, there are a series of evidences that go against his being a prophet. The Holy Quran has conferred on him a great favor by including him in the list of prophets…?The Holy Quran has, however, given him the credit of being truthful, though we can not refute the charges laid down against him by the Jews. We find no proof of his prophethood other than the statement of Quran. While the Christians are trying to prove him a god, we lack evidences even to prove him a prophet…”? (Nuzul-e-Masih, supplement)

2. “A most shameful thing is that the sermon on the mount, which is the essence of the Bible, Jesus plagiarized from Talmud.”?
(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 290, footnote)

3. “Jesus actually suffered from Epilepsy and that was the reason that he used to see dreams…Jesus had actually become insane due to epilepsy.”?
(Satt Bachan, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 10, P. 295)

4. “I wish such a person (Jesus) had not come to the world.”?
(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 417)

5. “He (Jesus) had the usual weaknesses of a human being and during his childhood he contracted measels, small pox and other ailments. He lived most of his life like ordinary people and only upon his deathbed did he think of claiming Godlihood for himself.”? (Anjam-e-Athum, P. 41)

6. “Jesus could not portray himself as a pious man because everyone knew that he was a gluttonous alcoholic… His claim to Godliness was a result of his bad habit of drinking Wine.”?
(Satt Bachan, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 10, P. 296; Satt Bachan, P. 172, footnote)

Only an unbeliever would doubt Jesus(pbuh) after Allah(SWT) has testified to his prophethood and mission in the Holy Quran. A Muslim believes that Jesus(pbuh) did not ever lay claim to divinity:

And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?”
He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say).
Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them,
Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise”.

(The Holy Quran, A-Maeda, 5:116-118)

Mirza Suggests Jesus(pbuh) is Dead

1. “God has revealed to me in his special inspiration that Maseeh ibne Maryam (Jesus) is dead.”?
(Tauzeeh-e-Maram, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P.402)

2. “I have been informed about the grave of Jesus (in Kashmir). And I have been informed by Holy Quran and God’s Revelation to me about the Death of Jesus.”?
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P.358, 361)

3. “It is unjustly said about the person (Jesus) who is buried in the locality of Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, that he is sitting in the Heavens. How great an injustice is this! God, in keeping to his promise has power over everything. But, he can never send a person to this world the second time, whose first coming caused so much harm.”?
(Dafi’-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 235)

4. “…But Jesus’s dead body could not revive the thieves crucified along with him despite their bodies being in contact with Jesus’s body.”?
(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 255)

5. “There is no doubt that I am the Messiah. I walk and flow with truth. Jesus died and is no more like you among living ones.”?
(Tuhfat-un-Nadwah, P. 1)

Mirza Ghulam scheme next involved claiming that Jesus(pbuh) had died and that he (Mirza) was the Messiah prophecised by our Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW). But, the Hadith of the Prophet(SAW) are absolutely clear that Jesus(pbuh) is alive and will descend from the heavens before the day of Judgment.

The Holy Quran also states:

That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts,
with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-?Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- ?And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him (Jesus) before his (Jesus’s) death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-?

(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:157-159)

And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment):therefore have no doubt about the (Hour),but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.?

(The Holy Quran, Az-Zukhruf, 43:61)

Mirza Ghulam was indeed misguided. Every accusation he made against Jesus(pbuh) was an attempt to ridicule a great prophet of Allah(SWT) and part of his master plan to slowly raise himself to the level of Jesus(pbuh).

Mirza Becomes Jesus Overnight

Having declared Jesus(pbuh) an impostor, a failure, and a dead person, Mirza took the next step and declared himself to be Jesus!!! However, there were some minor details that needed to be worked out! All Muslims know that Jesus(pbuh) was born to Mary(RA) in a miraculous way. Mirza, on the other hand, was born to an Indian couple of Mongol descent. How could he have reconciled such differences?

Having tested the gullibility of his followers, Mirza and his associates dreamt up the story that Mirza had been converted to Mary and given birth to Jesus (himself)!

“Indeed, God named me Mary who was pregnant with Jesus. I am the object of the words of the Almighty in Surah Tehrim: ‘And Mary, daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so we blow into it our spirit’; as I am the only one who has claimed that I am Mary and that into me has been blown the soul of Jesus.”? (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 337; Bahareen-e-Ahmadia, P. 388)

“God named me Mary in the third volume of Baraheen-e-Ahmadia
(the book of “revelations” written by Mirza).

I was nurtured for two years as Mary and was raised in a womanly seclusion. Then, the spirit of Jesus was breath into me just as was done with Mary. Hence, I was considered to be pregnant in a metaphorical manner. After a period of several months, not exceeding ten, I was made Jesus out of Mary. by the revelation embodied in the last part of the fourth volume of Baraheen-e-Ahmadia; and thus, I became Jesus, son of Mary. But, God did not inform me of this secret at that time.”?

(Kashti-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 50; Kashti-i-Nuh, P. 46-47)

“I am nominated as Messiah, the son of Mary.”?

(Anjam Autham, P. 75; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 294, 339, 72)

“It is my claim that I am that same Christ whose advent in the last days of the world has been prophesied in all the sacred scriptures.”?
(Tufa-i-Gooladia, P. 195)

Was Mirza Ghulam of Qadian a sane person?

Mirza Claims himself the Promised Messiah

“I swear by God in whose hands my soul is that it is He who has sent me and has named me a prophet; it is He who has called me the Promised Messiah and has shown big signs (miracles) to testify me; these signs reach three hundred thousands.”?
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 503; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 68)

“I proclaim that I am the Promised about whom every God’s book has prophecised that he will appear in the Last Days.”?
(Tohfa-e-Golravia, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 17, P.295)

“I swear upon that God, who has sent me and fabricating on Him is the work of accursed one, He has sent me as The Promised Messiah.” ?
(Majmoo’a-e-Ishtiharaat, Vol. 3, P. 435)

Finally, the picture is becoming clear. The reason for all the obscenity and blasphemy Mirza Ghulam uttered against Jesus(pbuh) and his family and the reason he had declared Jesus(pbuh) dead becomes clear. Miraz Ghulam was not any different than the modern age claimants to messiahship: David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Charles Manson.

Mirza Ghulam was no more than an unfortunate misguided soul.

Mirza Claims himself Superior to Jesus(pbuh)

1. “To this nation, God sent His promised Messiah (Mirza), who is better than the first Messiah (Jesus) in all regards. I swear by God in whose hands my soul rests that if the Messiah, son of Mary, were my contemporary, he could not have done the works that I can do. Nor would he be able to match the signs (miracles) which I am bringing.”?
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 152; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 148)

2. “To this community, God sent the promised Messiah (Mirza) who is better in all glory that the first Messiah (Jesus) and calls this new Messiah Ghulam Ahmad.”?
(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 233; Dafi-ul-Bala P. 27)

3. “After all, when God and His Apostle (Muhammad(SAW)) and all the Prophets have declared the supremacy of the second Messiah (Mirza) of this period due to his great achievements; then, it is a satanic act to question me ‘Why do you proclaim yourself superior to the first Messiah, the son of Mary?.”?
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 159)

4. “Give up all mention of the son of Mary, because Ghulam Ahmad is superior to him.”?
(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 240; Dafi-ul-Bala, P. 30)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani abused Jesus(pbuh) and, in doing so, rejected verses of Quran speaking of Jesus(pbuh) and his family. He was no more than an opportunist and a fabricator. Our holy Prophet(SAW) has warned us about the advent of impostors who will claim to be a prophet

There will arise thirty impostors in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of
the Prophets of God and no Prophet will come after me.?
(Abu Dawood, Tirmizi)

May Allah Bless who has work for us.

Anyone who believes such rubbish and follows it is KAFIR. If he spreads should be taken at task.

i have not asked you to read our books so as to increase your knowledge.

mr raja i have not read all that you have written. you should calm down and be more respecfull to others when you preach. islam is peace. dont change its meaning by your attitude. you should see if it is a man or a woman when you are talking to somebody. you should not point your finger to others because there are your 4 other fingers looking at u.

i feel so sad that there is so much hatred in the heart of so called true muslims.

anyway i want to say that those students who have been expelled from punjab university should not lose hope. they should think positively. they should take it as a blessing in disguise.

before settling in the UK, our 4th khalifa was facing many problems in Pakistan because of his religious beleifs. now the ahmaddiya community has prospered a lot. these students should take this as an example and they should be brave. the best things are awaiting them.

ahmaddies have been killed in pakistan but so called true muslims have not been able to kill them all because ahmaddiyyat has spread evrywhere. this is also a blessing in disguise.

they have called ahmaddies kafir since decades. but now the so called true muslims are called terrorist. their isalm has got a new name.

May Allah Bless each soul on this earth.

Farzana,

Lame response from your side.

Insead of answering Raja’s points you are trying to emotionally black-mail muslims. Shame on you.

Your comment:
….because ahmaddiyyat has spread evrywhere. this is also a blessing in disguise.

So has PORN spread all over the world, is that a blessing? may be in your sick mindset, but not for any sane human being.

DEAR FARZANA,

YOU R REALLY FOLLOWING path of mirza,liar and twisting words, but times have changed.And time has come

JUST READ UR COMMENTS OF 15TH JUNE 7.02pm and 7.10pm

1.Comment by farzana on June 15, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
i would kindly advise to read books from MIRZA Ghulam Ahmad’s community instead of arguing over something which may not be true. people should avoid asking questions like this.

2.Comment by farzana on June 15, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
my question goes to MR RAJA:
i kindly ask you to mention from where you have obtained these information on MIRZA Ghulam Ahmad’s. is there any written proof (i mean any literature from the ahmaddiya muslim community)about what you are asking. where have you learnt or read about these? (refer to books from the ahmaddiyya muslim community)

THANKS FARIS.

I WANTED TO SHOW QADI AND MUSLIMS WHO SPEAK IN THEIR FAVOUR WHAT REALLY TRUTH IS..

JUST GOOGLE QADIANI /AHMEDIA IMAGES AND WILL FIND DOCUMENTS WHICH ACTUALLY SHOWS WRITINGS FROM MIRZA FAVOURING BRITISH GOVERN.
IF U GIVE ME EMAIL I LL POST IT TO U.

THEY HAVE BEEN QOUTED IN QURAN:

9.And We have made before them a Wall and a wall behind them then We have covered(parda) them over so that they do not see.

10.And it is equal to them whether you warn( nasihiat) them or do not warn they are not to believe.

PARA 22, SURA YA SIN: VERSES 1- 10.

Farzana,

Please dont waste your time with these Ignorants.

The Holy Quran says:

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 7
‘Those who have disbelieved – it being alike to them whether thou warn them or warn them not – they will not believe.’

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 8
Allah has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering; and for them is a grievous chastisement.

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 172

‘And the case of those who disbelieve is like the case of one who shouts to that which hears naught but a call and a cry. They are deaf dumb and blind – so they do not understand.’

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 257:

‘There is no compulsion in religion.’

Al-Kafirun Chapter 109 : Verse 7:

‘For you your religion, and for me my religion.’

Al-Furqan Chapter 25 : Verse 64:

‘And the true servants of the Gracious God are those who walk on the earth humbly and when the ignorant address them, they avoid them gracefully by saying, ‘Peace!’’

PEACE

thanks wassem.

i will not answer questions in this way cuz i dont debate in such an unhealthy way. this is not a way to debate on religion.

DO U DEBATE ON RELIGION LIKE THIS FARIS?

i now understand why ahmaddies do not answer YOUR questions.

Have a NICE TIME

“PEACE”

Allah o Akbar, Allah o akbar, Allah o Akbar
1, A MUSLIM is praying to his god to to make a woman’s life as hell and miserable and take her senses and give her death etc etc and HIS ALLAH is going to hear his prayers?DOES ALLAH HEAR THESE TYPE OF PRAYERS???????????????????
2, Is this what your prophet MOHAMMAD (PBUH) taught you????
I heard that prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was praying even for his enemies????????????????????????????????????
3, ARE YOU THE FOLLOWER OF THE PROPHET (PBUH) who prayed for the people of taif who left him bleeding till his shoes were full of blood????????????????????????????????
SUMMUN BUKMUN UMYUN FAHUM LA YARJEOON
and my dear THOSE WHO ARE HANDICAPPED I CAN ONLY PRAY FOR THEM THAT O MY ALLAH PITY THEM AS THERE ARE HANDICAPPED SHOW THEM THE RIGHT ISLAM WHICH DOES NOT TEACH ABUSES AND INSULTING AND QUARREL AND FIGHT. COZ IF THIS IS REAL ISLAM THEN ITS BETTER TO BE A KAFIR WITH GOOD MANNERS THAN A MUSLIM WITH ILL MANNERS.
PEACE

Another friend is advising that google QADIYANI / AHMEDIA and see the result. My dear fellow i think nobody is that much INNOCENT in this internet era that he will not know that how much security is there over the internet to build websites. for example http://www.ahmedi.org which has been mentioned by the so called AM AHMADI, is this site for the ahmadiyya organisation? YOU ARE NOT AN AHMADI, YOU ARE A LIAR. iS THIS WHAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH) TAUGHT YOU????????????????????
anybody can buy any domain and put a bundle of lies online and start advertising that its not for me its for another person.
another fellow is comparing a religion to porn, where i heard the the prophet (PBUH) said that DONT ABUSE OTHER RELIGIONS GOD BECAUSE MAYBE IN IGNORANCE THEY MIGHT ABUSE YOUR GOD , HATS OFF FOR A MUSLIM @FARIS. Its only a MUSLIM like you who can compare religions like this. THANK GOD AM NOT A MUSLIM LIKE YOU.

PEACE

Well done Aleem!

Making my life easier.

I prayed in that WAY because I wanted a response and a reason behind it.

Response is yours – You, waseem, farzana talk same way as I did, so what makes you better.

This Means you are not as tolerant as you guys claim to be. There is Hatered in you and you spill time to time and get a similar response in reaction……and you cry.

Reason : I showed this is what mirza Ghulam used to do himself in his lifetime cursing and putting allegations ( even on prophets- like Jesus, Disagreeing with Hadith MOHAMMED SAW ) his opponents and ones who donot obey his commands e.g. Mohammadi Begum.

So where YOUR example of Taif fit with mirza here, you qoute so much.
he claimed Allah Nauz O bila as shadow of Mohammed pbuh.

HOW DOES IT FEEL ……

My prayer still holds and is for anyone who disgraces my Prophet Mohammed pbuh even disagreeing slightest. Meaning he is more senseable and more thoughtful then My Prophet and My Allah.

Mirza did worse, he compared himself with Mohammed (saw). He said often that God did not mean that or Mohammed did mean that so indirectly saying that They did not know what they were talking about or weren’t able to convey themselves….ANB

Thanks Aleem again by qouting…….

“DONT ABUSE OTHER RELIGIONS GOD BECAUSE MAYBE IN IGNORANCE THEY MIGHT ABUSE YOUR GOD , HATS OFF FOR A MUSLIM @FARIS. Its only a MUSLIM like you who can compare religions like this.”

So you Agree that you have a different religion i.e religion of MAN ,Mirza Ghulam.

Thanks again. Jehad is declared.

there was a fox who was wanting to eat grapes but as they were higher on the tree she went away telling herself that the grapes were sour, you have already shown ur manners and now i can imagine how you are clawing your face and telling urself that it was a WAY to get the response.I THINK YOUR ISLAM TAUGHT YOU TO BE ABUSIVE FOR A REASON AND TO GET RESPONSE. SOORY NEITHER MY ISLAM NOR MY PROPHET (PBUH) TAUGHT ME THIS. SCROLL BACK AND SEE WHO ABUSED WHO MY DEAR MUSLIM!!! ha ha ha
i dont know what you want to show pepole about islam while showing these type of manners. and the other thing that u said is that I AGREE to have another religion, so my dear if now you want to claim to be ALIM UL GHAIB then as ur wish, who am i to stop anybody to talk anything.YOU HAVE SHOWED UR MANNERS NOW NO USE TO CLAW UR FACE. i just wanted to say that therare some manners to talk with anybody, and i was thinking that maybe following a prophet (PBUH) whose teachings were based on love on respect maybe you will also be following his teachings BUT ALAS……

PEACE

a country where islam’s lovely teachings have been distorted like this that people who dont know the real teachings of islam and with ill manners claim to be TRUE MUSLIMS and after that find lame excuses to cover their lies, suspending students is nothing, i think they should have been rusticated forever. yes we cry coz our heart pains for what is happening to the lovely teachings of Islam

Aleem,

Stop using Muhammad (S.A.W.W) ’s name to sweeten your poison.

Sahaba were the best students of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), you know what they did to the false prophet like Qadiani?

Your buzz words like Peace and Hormony are hollow just like the imposter Qadiani.

Dear Aleem,

Plz Search yourself.

Sorry I cannot help you as we cannot hit you on net.

TELL us is there anyway else we can help u getting VISA.

Dear Faris donot waist time on wasted ones. By this blog we have very much exposed them. I tried to present some facts so people who do not know would learn including these poor lost souls………

They are used to it and thats what they are good at wasting everyone ones time.

They will qoute these blogs to Western countries to get VISAS saying ‘ see how much they hate us we are forced to leave otherwise we would have kept serving you there…..bla bla bla..

I am happy that more harder they try to distort our faith stronger it becomes.

‘Allah do forgive us all as You are the most gracious and merciful and accept TAUBA if they ask for as often they donot know what they are doing …….but You are the only one who knows best and You are the best Judge.’

‘ May Allah shower his blessings on you and all Ummat e Muslima and unite us in carrying our duties rightly throughout our lives and our generations to come till KUFR dies even it requires our wealth,family or life as sacrifice.’ -Ameen.

Raja,

You are right, its useless to waste time with these corrupt minds.

May Allah make Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammad S.A.W.W.

Raja, May Allah give you 10 sons and may Allah make them all like the Ashra-Mubashira. Ameen.

Thanks Sami,

Salam to you all.

Just keep doing DaWA even to our fellow muslims as they need it aswell so that they cannot be decieved againa and again.

Below are 2 quotes of 2 SO CALLED MUSLIMS SHOWING THEIR ISLAM.. ASTAGHFIRULLAH RABBI MIN KULLE ZAMBIN WA TOUBO ILAIH
“”May ALLAH make your life as miserable as in hell. may allah take your all 5 senses and death miserable.
I cannot slay you being a women but I pray to Allah that u are not be able of even replying it.”"@RAJA (another so called muslim)

“”Stop using Muhammad (S.A.W.W) ’s name to sweeten your poison.Sahaba were the best students of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), you know what they did to the false prophet like Qadiani?”"@FARIS (a so called muslim)

From the manners shown by RAJA, NAUZUBILLAH DID THE SUHABA DO THE SAME AS RAJA DID TO FARZANA?????????????????
are you showing me the manners of a true muslim or the manners of THAT MUSLIM WHO IS FAMOUS IN THE WORLD AS TERRORIST??????????????????????????
FOR GOD SAKE STOP DISTORTING ISLAMS TEACHINGS AND SHOW THE LOVELY AND BEUTIFUL TEACHING OF ISLAM TO THE WORLD AS A MUSLIM IS KNOWN AS A TERRORIST IN ALL OVER THE WORLD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And another friend wanted to hit me @RAJA but as he is on the net SO he cannot. MY DEAR FELLOW YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST TO HIT ME, TRUE ISLAM HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DANGER FOR OTHERS SINCE PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH)’S ERA.
NEVER THINK THAT WITH FIGHT AND HATRED YOU CAN SPREAD YOUR ISLAM.NOBODY IS ATTRACTED TO THESE TYPE OF MANNERS. BE AN EXAMPLE OF A TRUE MUSLIM AND PEOPLE WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE ATTRACTED TOWARDS YOUR RELIGION.

LEARN HUMANITY THEN ISLAM AND THEN SHOW ME THAT THESE ARE THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM AND THEN IF I LIKE YOUR BEHAVIOUR THEN WE TALK ABOUT ISLAM MY DEAR, CZ FOR THE TIME BEING I THINK THAT ………… :(

MANNERS FIRST THEN DEBATE, BUT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT YOUR MISTAKE, GO ON CLAWING YOUR FACE CZ THE GRAPES ARE SOUR

PEACE

My response is for Mr. Raja’s following comments

“Comment by RAJA on June 15, 2008 @ 4:07 am
Dear Abu Ayan,

Nice speech. BUT U HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION PLZ DO SO.
This is what u guys good at. DISTRACTING.

MAY ALLAH TAKE AWAY ALL THINGS FROM U UR MAAL/MONEY, FAMILY ,STATUS UR RESPECT UR LIFE U UR LIFE AND DEATH BE HELL FOR U FROM TODAY.- INSHALLAH.

THIS IS NOT MY REVENEGE BUT WILL BE REVENGE OF ALLAH AND HE WHO KNOWS BEST.”

Look it has been mentioned many times in the discussion above that there is no point in wasting time in arguments. The way you have been praying for other people in the forum and the kind of words that you have used for me indeed show how much you have learnt, how much you have remembered and how much you are practicing from the “actual sweet” teachings of that MOST BEAUTIFUL preacher and Most Loving Character ever on the face of earth. So me or any other moderate Muslim can no way compete you in such kind of hate-race and unethical language. So I will not use bad words for you, will not pray for your death and family miseries :). This is because me and any other “TRUE” Muslim knows that this is not for what Islam started and this is not even to close to what Hadhrat Muhammad peace be upon him taught. You may respond with lot of more abuses but just think for one moment would his soul be happy with your any other person who calls himself Muslim, using such words ? JUST think for once.
OK so whatever I am saying I am not saying with a view to create arguments. Anyone of us could be wrong, but if we have the resolve to correct others for the sake of Islam and Humanity then we have to show respect for each other. By following an approach like this can you attract non-Muslims to Islam. Rather this will create a horrifying face of Islam. Wouldn’t it ? And as a true believer will you ever like that to happen that people turn their faces to “Islam” – The most lovely teachings of Universe. I am sure your answer is a big “NO”. So lets be Muslims from our words and then actions also. I have tried to be what I have been taught by my version of Islam. I had to use the word “MY Version” because of course there are differences. Because such mishandlings of such and other differences today Islam is being seen as a hostile religion and west has misused such things and further created problems for the “True Islam”. So pls think over it and come forward to Server the Islam truly.

I had posted my message (Which was of course not a speech) with in which focus was not the community in question. My pain was for the country. My country, your country. country of all of us. I will avoid repeating all that has been said about the reasons why this was founded.

Even before I read your questions i had posted my paper. So here are the answers to your questions. I say this considering the Allah the Almighty present everywhere; that each and every word of mine is True. Now if you don’t believe me that is your call.

1.your kalima – la illa ha ill lala ho ahmed ur rasool allah. …
Response: I am not doubting your intentions, but what you quoted is completely wrong. Our Kalima is also La ilaha Illallaho Muhammad ur Rasoolallah. NO MENTIONING OF “AHMAD” at all. Now believing is your choice. Don’t tell me that by reading it “Muhammad” from the heart I am saying “Ahmad”. This is because despite hurting my love for “Muhammad” you are also doing a big sin of doubting someone’s intention – something that according to our Dear Prophet, he didn’t have the authority to do. So PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT

2.DO U PAY ZAKAT AND WHAT PERCENTAGE.?
Yes, we do pay Zakat. And not only Zakat we have dozens of other Donations that we have to give.

3.HOW MANY OF U HAVE PERFORMED HAJJ BAITULLAH- DID MIRZA GM HIMSELF PERFORMED HAJJ?
Response: As per the rule of Saudi Arabia, anyone whose country declares him to be non-Muslim for being an Ahmadi (e.g. Pakistan) is not allowed to perform Hujj. But people from Ahmadiyya community holding other nationalities (with passports not mentioning the religion) do perform Hujj regularly. And more than anything we do consider HUJJ as the fifth pillar of Islam. But you know it that the verse mentioning the Hajj in Holy Quran also mentions that “this is only allowed if no cruel ruler is on the way …” I hope you get the answer.

4.WHY MIRZ GM HAS REVELATION AS MEHDI, THEN MASSIAH AND THEN DEMOTED TO KHALIFA.
Response: Let my tell you honestly you are mixing different things together or may be you had some mistakes in picking up information. As far as revelation are concerned; he assumed different names because according to his claim and our believers he is the one who is the reformer for all the religions. Every religion is waiting for someone. And it is the privilege of Islam that Allah sent the final reformer for all religions from Islam – and very rightly Islam being the final religion has all the rights for this privilege. You may check the old records, before he claimed to be the Mehdi (when everyone turned against him), he was being considered to be the most honored and strong Islamic scholar of the time. Even today scholars of Islam agree to this fact that he was the one who was giving tough time to anti-Islamic campaigns esp from Christians

5,HOW MANY OF QADI’S HAVE PERFORMED JEHAD.
Response: what do you mean by Jihaad. Killing those whom you disagree with. This is not something that true Islam taught us. It even taught us not to kill those who dont attack you. You might argue that those who are attacking Muslim countries – we should have Jihaad against them. But Jihad in its true meaning was something that had spread Islam in the whole world. But tell me what good today’s Jihad (which is being misunderstood and mis-practiced by many Muslims) have brought to the name of Islam? you will get your answer. But when it comes to Ahmadies YES, we believe in Jihad and the day it is needed to lift the arms against those hurting Islam, Ahmadies will be the first one to do so (and in past Ahamdies did so). Jihad is an Arabic word, that means “making efforts”. So actual meaning is to make efforts for the spread of Islam. In today’s high-tech world when everything is being globalized one cant live on those old lines. You can have millions of ways to spread Islam. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib taught his Jama’at and Muslims that this time is about “Jihad Bil Qalam”, and that is the most effective way of Spreading Islam. You can see that those who are making efforts with Gun are not bringing any good thing to Islam. Even if you don’t agree, Millions of other Muslim would for sure agree.

6.WHEN DID HE SAID PRAYER BEHIND IMMAM MEHDI?
Response: He himself claimed to be Imam Mehdi, so there is no question about offering prayers behind Imam Mehdi. So probably your question is not clear or may be you are not clear about his claims.

7.WHEN DID HE SPOKEN TO CHRISTIANS TO BECOME MUSLIMS.
Response: Instead of writing and filling pages here you just go and read references of those Muslim Ulama who agreed that help from him was the only thing that broke the backbone of all the anti-Islamic plans of Christians. If for reference you want to watch a video clip of Dr. Israr Ahmed ( a renowned scholar) you may go to http://www.real-islam.org. Dr. Israr is never supportive to Ahmadies (for obvious reasons) but here he himself admitted the service of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib to protecting Islam from all anti-Islamic moves esp Christians were really instrumental.

8.HIS RELATIONSHIP AND MEETINGS WITH BRITISH RAJ.
Response: Though your question in not very clear, but it is giving an impression that he had something going on with Britishers. I will again suggest that if you read what was being published in the newspapers of those years then you will see the way he was talking to emperors i.e. Britishers. If at times he said things about obeying the law and not advising and provoking the people to create an unrest then this is purely Islamic. Every Muslim is bound to obey the law of the land. But this does not mean that he did anything good to them. What would you say about Quaid-e-Azam then. Who spent most of his professional life in UK. Even after coming to India his most of the time was spent with British rulers etc. So does it mean that he was not sincere to Muslims? No all his efforts were to push them out of the country.

9.WHEN QADIS TAKE ASSYLUM WHY IN WESTERN WORLD WHY NOT IN ANY MUSLIM STATE.E.G. SAUDI ARABIA
Response: All the other Muslim countries do not recognize Ahmadies as Mulsims so there is no point in they offering assylum to Ahmadies. About Saudi Arabia, I have written above that no one whose passport mentions a religion “Ahmadi” can get a visa or enter Saudi Arabia. So I hope this clarifies.

I have given all the above answers with a positive mind. Now if you were honest in getting to the truth then I am sure this would have helped you.

There are many anti-Ahmadi websites and websites which are apparently being run by Ahmadies but are actually being run by anti-Ahmadies and they are spreading information which has nothing to do with the beliefs of Ahmadies. So one has to be careful in looking at the rigt thing. If you or anyone else is truly interested in learning the right things you should go to
http://www.alislam.org. you will find lot of information and literature – but rest assured none of all that will be hateful.
You may also visit http://www.real-islam.org. This is not an official Ahmadiyya website but has collection of lot of information. It also contains lot of video clips that show how much hatred is being pumped into society against Ahmadies. And we all must believe that Hatred is not going to take us, this society or even the whole world anywhere.

If you did not like my replies, then probably you will through lot of more harsh words to me. But we should have it clear in our minds that such acts are not going to bring any harm to anyone. The only thing it will project; is a bad name for Islam to the whole world. And God DOES NOT LIKE IT FOR HIS OWN TRUE RELIGION. And if He does not like then we should be afraid of His anger. This is not something that I passing on some traditional threating words. These are real worries that me or any other true believer will have for every other person who assciates himsef/ herself to the word “Islam”.

So may God Bless all with the right path, and to practice the “real” teachings of Islam.

Anu Aayan

the reply of Abu Ayaan is more tham enough for a person searching the truth but actually RAJA and his friends like FARIS etc etc are not wanting to find the truth they just want to create a useless argument and show THEIR ISLAM.please repeat “IHDI NASSIRAT AL MUSTAQQEEM” and “ASTAGHFIRULLAH RABBI MIN KULLE ZAMBIN WA TOUBO ILAIH” a lot in your prayers. MAY ALLAH SHOW YOU THE TRUE LOVELY TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.

Peace

Qadianis,

This life is a few days long. You can prosper and flourish with the help of Shaitan and your MASTERS. Go ahead enjoy as much as you can.

For akhirat, your Masters would be of no use and neither will shaitan be able to help you nor your Ghulam Kafir Qadiani.

Noor will be for those who rejected the false prophets like Qadiani.

Muhammad (S.A.W.W) will look away from those people who claimed to be his followers but corrupted the religion by following false prophets like Ghulam Kafir Kadiani.

Then you will look for help from Ghulam Kafir Qadiani and you will not find him, but at the bottom of the PIT.

So go ahead, enjoy the the immigrations, the support of your Masters, the wealth they give you, offcourse Shaitan has made it look a beautiful path for you.

“In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals), each of whom will claim to be a prophet,
But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me.”
(Abu Dawood Vol 2 p. 228; Tirmidhi Vol 2 p.45)

See what Qadiani said about Ahadith…

“The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.” (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)

Hi everyone…I am myself a Muslim, but unfortunately some of my relatives are Ahamadi, .I have known and observed everything firsthand.trust me they are a troubled lot. Abu Ayan is right about them visiting Saudia Arabia for pilgrimage on other passports and i cannot stand the thought of them visiting Khana Kaaba and Makkah as NO non muslim is allowed in our Holy cities. Its just seems very sneaky of them. They cannot travel to Saudia on the Pakistani passport.

Beware of these people, their higher ups in England are completely brain washing their own people, they appear to be the sweetest people around and they consider us non muslims and themselves as muslims. They have an Ahmadiyya TV channel which broadcasts their “Hazoor’s” Khutba!.. Just dont listen to any Farzana, Abu Ayan and the guy who said he cried when he read all this, etc etc…because these poor souls are just trying to convince themselves.

May Allah guide them towards the right path. Ameen!

I believe that all of u here belongs to different sects like Farzana, raja, faris, wasseem, noha, one karachite, aleem, karim, ahmad, sami abu ayan, ect.

Thus I want to know your opinions from what I’ve read from above. That is:

1) “verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one..”

2) “By the constitution of Pakistan, the 72 sects decided the Ahmadis were not one of them.”

So I want to know which one of these sects is the true Islam and which is accepted by GOD. (Because I think that there is only one which will b accepted by God.)

Some of u here, i find that your anger is worst than fire against the ahmaddies. To win the heart of people there should be love in each word that we preach. I firmly believe so.

wow…what the comment of sami, farzana, an ahmadi….n ahmed….the expelled students will progress all over the world….thhese 23 students will have bright future for all their sacrifice….bas dua,sabar n sacrifice….
pehle b zia-ul-haq ne apna haal dekha aur bari hai fsd ki dekhte hain fir….aur whatever ye jo raja saab ne bola….anjaam tu ab puri duiniya pakistan ka anjaam dejhe gi….

I am a born Ahmadi , and as Pirs brain wash their mureeds , and take advantage of low self esteem and knowledge of their followers similarly we Ahmadies were exposed to a completely close knitted fascist system known as Nizam e Jamaat e Ahmadiyya.

There are generations after generations of Mirzas on the top and then there are thousands of life time paid Murrabies ( missionaries ) and then there are office bearers who like to get publicity and crumbs etc.

They collect billions of dollars every year in the name of chanda or donations and most of it is embezelled by top leadership in the name of interest free loans and gifts etc.

Ahmadiyya leadership always force ordinary Ahmadies to keep things stirred up and we Ahmadies keep on provoking other Main stream Muslims needlessly.

We do this in order to get cases registered against us by the administration and with Pakistani government , so that we can get sympathies of Western countries and we get political asylum in the Western countries.

When Australian government made an agreement with our Khalifa sahib then Ahmadies wrote their names along with their father names and went to the offices of Khatme nubuwat and threw written challenge or mubahila to them.

Office bearers of Khatme nubuwat also wanted business, hence they hurried and went to nearby police station and registered cases against Ahmadies under Zia’s ordinance.

After achieving that target , Ahmadies fled to Rabwah, from where they got their visas and tickets for Australia and those jobless Ahmadies and their families are now well settled there.

Mullahs of Khatme Nubuwat also collect chanda in the name of this religious business , and it is reported that one Sunni Mullah Allah Yar Arshad of Rabwah collects approx 20,000 rupees bribe from each Ahmadi to register a case against him in the local police station.

Due to this business Ahmadies have now become richest citizens of Pakistan and they are taking advantage of Pakistan along with rich Western countries.

Rabwah is now bursting with Euros and dollars and it boasts Pakistan’s biggest mega homes and palaces.

Rabwah has world most modern libraries, swiming pools , rest houses , fully loaded mercedez cars for Mirzas and their clergy , and tons of resources and rest houses all over the world.

Our Jamaat fund organizations like Human rights commission, and media people and our jamaat people are on internet forums with different nicks and some of them are acting like fifth columnists and are trying to invite NATO forces in Pakistan.

Case of PMC student expulsion and its publicity all over the world is telling us that it was all pre planned by our Jamaat Ahmadiyya and they have some dirty plans for Pakistan.

Jamaat Islami should also stop harrassing ordinary muslims and they are no contractors or thekay dars of Islam or Pakistan.

Jamaat Islami and the administration fell in Ahmadiyya trap as usual,and brought bad name for otherwise tolerant Pakistani society.

If we really want to solve issue of Jamaat Ahmadiyya then their activities in Rabwah and London have to be monitored, and we have to observe how much money is going in and out of Rabwah.

Government has to do audit of this charity , and government has to make their activities public.

We also have to observe that how much bribe they pay to the local police officials and how they treat and torture ordinary dissenting Ahmadies.

Government within government , which our Jamaat Ahmadiyya run through offices of Rabwah need to be checked.

Governmnet officers should stop taking bribe from our jamaat and they should fulfill their constitutional duties faithfully.

http://www.ahmedi.org is a web site made by dissentinr, tortured , silenced and threatened Ahmadies.

One can dig archives and discussion forums to read lot more than the biggest Piri Mureedi group of this world known as Jamaat e Ahmadiyya

Web site is :

http://www.ahmedi.org

Ahmadi Mullahs and Non Ahmadi mullahs love dogmatic discussions and useless details of theology etc.

Their bread and butter depend on such controversies and Allama Iqbal also mentioned that Non Ahmadi Mullahs don’t want to finish Ahmadiyyat as it is a permanent source for their bread and butter.

Muslim world need practical actions rather than talks in mosques like Tablighi people do or boastful claims and propaganda which Ahmadiyya jamaat do on their Muslim Television Ahmadiyya.

European countries are based on Greco Roman Culture , which is based on pork, wine, dog and opportunities of mixing of opposite sex which leeds to free sex.

Where as Muslim Culture is based on Kalima Shahada, circumcision, halal meat, no wine, no dog, ” Haya ” , ” Parda ” and strong marriage institution etc.

European countries have become one in the form of EU and they are one with USA and NATO is a united force to protect their Greco Roman culture , where as Muslims are fighting for ” Chapatis ” and crumbs of bread .

I tell you that you cannot win from extremely cunning and ultra rich and resourceful Ahmadi Mullahs , thats why I hinted in my above post to do legal audit of their activities and one can show their luxurious life style in Rabwah and Pakistan and one can show their wealth and those mega homes to Western countries.

Ordinary Ahmadies are just brain washed slaves , but Ahmadiyya leadership is extremely cunning and they are no different than other feudal Pirs and parasite families of Pakistani society.

When rule of law and awareness will come to Pakistan , then people will be able to understand extreme wealth and deception of these parasite families of Pakistan.

http://www.ahmedi.org is a web site made by dissenting, tortured , silenced and threatened Ahmadies.

One can dig archives and discussion forums to read lot more than the biggest Piri Mureedi group of this world known as Jamaat e Ahmadiyya

Web site is :

http://www.ahmedi.org

Ahmadi students were never expelled , they were just suspended and they are now restored.

Administration of PMC actually saved lives of Ahmadi students as Ahmadi students were deliberately provoking emotional and otherwise angry citizens of that oppressed country.

Scanned copy of the Official Letter shown at the top is incomplete and it is just showing names of students but the actual wordings of the PMC administration is missing.

This is how these gangs operate and thrive on forged and incomplete documents.

People smuggling gangs of Ahmadiyya Rabwah can actually send wrong people to Europe and USA in the guise of Jalsa or annual gatherings.

Mr. Silenced —–, I will not call you “Ahmedi” because you are for 1000% sure reasons NOT AN AHMADI. Not because your beliefs are completely out of phase and has no glimpse of Islam and Ahmadiyyat; but because you have not idea what an Ahmadi is ! The whole world knows who is operating your so called website i.e. http://www.Ahmedi.org. I just wonder that Islam teaches us “truth” but howcome all of you and others who claim to be Muslims indulge yourselves into such activities which are completely based on lies and frauds – I just wonder what will you say when your accontability will be done.
I will request you to please do not use the word “our” whenever you talk of Jama’at-e-Ahmadiyya. Because for obvious reasons it is not “your” Jama’at. After reading your messages even the most ignorant person could understand the motives behind your statements. Can someone talks of “his” Jama’at like this? If you feel all these bad rather horrible things are part of this Jama’at then why in the world are you still calling yourself an Ahmedi and then calling this Jama’at “your” Jama’at.
Your are perfectly right about people using different nicks and portraying different kind of wrong and misleading information about Ahmadiyya Jama’at. And Let me tell you one thing the nick “Silent Ahmedi” is also one of these. This Silent Ahmedi has nothing to do with this Loving Jama’at rather he is uselessly trying to mislead other Muslims by falsefully represting to be a member of this Jama’at.
And Lastly about the visas and immigrations. One would wonder, that probably the immigration and government officials of all these countries (who are thought to be most strict in their screenings) are so so simple and foolish that they get fooled by such basic designs of this small community who is not even allowed to call themselves what they believe they are in their own country !!! I salute your mathematical mind :). I can only pray for the mentality of yours. Probably one day you will also use a nick of a “silent Muslim” and will make the most horrible statement that our Greatest Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alehay Wassallam also took immigration of Madina right ??? For God sake spare this sweet, loving, and peaceful religion from your sick thoughts. I beg you pls spare “ISLAM” of all these. This lovely religion has had enough of such things and have had serious damages.

Whatever you say… No matter how hard yours (or others’) words get; we will still keep on praying for all of you. Only because you still associate yourselves to the Prophet whose teachings we “practically” believe in – the prophet who was given the name of Rahmatullil Aalameen.
May God Bless you and all Muslims, Aameen
Abu Aayan.

SALAM

A bit out of the way but for general knowledge: Ahmadiyya Muslim Community progresses as usual and holds Jalsa Salana USA.

Here is a link from BBC Urdu website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/regional/story/2008/06/080624_ahmedi_congregataion_fz.shtml

Also today the Jalsa Salana Canada will be starting and could be seen live at http://www.mta.tv

PEACE

~~~Can any Qadiani (Ahmadi) Solve These Puzzles?

Speaking about his own books, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani wrote:
“All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me.”
(Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548;
Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s own eldest son, Fadl Ahmad, did not believe in the claims of his father and did not respond to his call. In fact, when Fadl Ahmad died, Mirza Ghulam refused to participate in his funeral prayers!
(Al-Fadl, 22 April, 1941 and 2 May, 1941)

Puzzle 1:

In the light of Mirza’s earlier declaration, what was his son? What would this make Fadl Ahmad’s mother (Mirza’s wife)? What kind of a man was Mirza Ghulam to have such people as family members?

With his offensive comment, Mirza Ghulam targeted the entire Muslim Ummah;
but, Allah(SWT) made Mirza the recipient of his own attack.
Indeed, the target of evil deeds is the evil doer himself.

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Over the years, Mirza Ghulam used vulgar and blasphemous statements regarding The Messiah(Jesus(pbuh)). After claiming he (Mirza) himself was The Messiah foretold by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW), Mirza claimed:

“It was revealed to me that due to my humility and sacrifice and trust in God and signs and blessings, this humble self is a replica of the first life of Messiah. The nature of my humble self and the nature of Messiah are very much similar to each other as if two pieces of the same Jewel or two fruits of the same tree.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 1, P. 593)

Puzzle 2:

Which Messiah was he taking about when he said that Messiah was an alcoholic, a womaniser, a man of low moral character, a liar, an impostor, an unbeliever, …? Jesus(pbuh) the beloved prophet of Allah(SWT) or himself, the false claimant to being Messiah? Life of which Messiah was he describing?

With his offensive writings, Mirza Ghulam targeted Jesus(pbuh);
but, Allah(SWT) made Mirza the recipient of his own attack.
Indeed, the target of evil deeds is the evil doer himself.

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Who was really Mirza Ghulam Qadiani? A reformer, Mehdi, Messiah, Muhammad, a Prophet, Hindu Lord, an obedient Servant of the British Imperialism, Dajjal, …? Perhaps the best description is that given by himself:

“I am neither an earth-worm nor a human being.
I am the most hated organ of human body and a shame for humanity.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Page 127)

Puzzle 3:

Can you explain to us what is the “most hated organ of human body” and where is it located?

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Mirza Ghulam subjected Hazrat Eisa (Jesus(pbuh)) to much abuse and ridiculing. [Read: Mirza Ghulam's Tirade against Jesus(pbuh)]. But, he had earlier declared that:

“In Islam, blasphemy against any Prophet is Kofr.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 23, P. 390)

Puzzle 4:

What can we safely conclude about Mirza Ghulam Qadiani?

~~~~~courts rulling on qadianism regarding qadiani cult~~~~

http://www.irshad.org/exposed/legal.php

must read

Mr Waseem !

Are you addicted to Jalsa …??, do you think financial progress of Mirza family and their paid clergy is progress of an ordinary Ahmadi..??

There are lot of Jalsas and public gatherings which are much bigger than Ahmadiyya Jalsas, so why to sell this business like this..??

All those huge banners , LCD TV displays , gathering halls, Fancy cars,.. movie cameras etc etc Non of those things were made or invented by any Ahmadi.

So why brag about borrowed glory ..

Ahmadies in USA Jalsa were bored and they were sleeping or waiting for lunch or looking for some business or Rishta oppotunities ..

Ahmadies are now sick and tired of those melodious brain washing poems too..

Empty slogans of converting 2 billion pork eating christians, 1 billion cow urine drinking Hindus and 1 billion dog eating chinese to Ahmadiyyat are no longer deceiving today’s informed citizens..

Go to Ahmadi homes and very few watch MTA , future generations of Ahmadiyyat are becoming westernized,

Sons of Murrabies are seen picking up Ahmadi girls right from the Jalsa area ,…phone numbers and SMS messages are exchanged ,..you never know what else they have in their pockets

If government of Pakistan do financial audit of Ahmadiyya Charity and make it public every year then half of Ahmadies will leave Jamaat Ahmadiyya in one day.

Abu Aayan

I assure that I am very much present in the Tajneed of Jamaat Ahmadiyya and I am very carefully watching and recording activities of fraudulant Murrabies and their Mirza bosses.

SILENCE IS GOLD,SPEECH IS SILVER.

silenced ahmaddy has neither respect for himself nor for ISLAM….

its really a disgrace for A ‘TRUE MUSLIM’ to write :

“Empty slogans of converting 2 billion pork eating christians, 1 billion cow urine drinking Hindus and 1 billion dog eating chinese to Ahmadiyyat are no longer deceiving today’s informed citizens.. ”

however, i want to know with what do you feed your imaan.

how can silenced ahmaddy extend his hands infront of Allah for prayers, as his same fingers have typed such DISRESPECFUL words against others.

a “TRUE MUSLIM” is a messenger of love and peace but not of hatred.

moreover, this also proves that he has no respect for christian, hindus and chinese as well. if all “true muslims” in the whole world would reason like him then it would limit ISLAM to only one category of ppl. this is NOT true islam cuz true Islam is peace and GOD is love.

its good to speak out one’s opinion as we believe in freedom of speech. we also know that gold is more precious than silver. but what silenced ahmaddy has written is not worth silver.

regarding the comments made against ahmady’s jalsas, WE ALL KNOW THAT there is nothing true about it. it really shows that u have never assisted any of our jalsa or you are only trying to defame the AHMADIYYA JAMAAT.

anti ahmaddies can write chapters against ahamddiyyat but its not going to be the end for the community.

we are all breathing the same air despite our differences so this shows that Allah loves us all the same way. cuz HE is our CREATOR.

PEACE

I know Farzana Begum that Truth is always painful, and people always go through denial and shock when their fantasies and delusions are smashed right in front of their eyes.

Ahmadi children are getting westernized and you have no idea what they do in their cars and park bushes.

One pious bearded secretary of our Jamaat left his propery in Rabwah and came to the Islamic environment of Western world.

His daughter went to Western Schools and he arranged marriage of that girl , and you know what happened ,..her boy friends kept on calling even after her marriage and poor Pakistani husband ran away with shame..

Tons of examples like this ,..we can hush things up and we can pile up things under the carpet ,..but wait when all this puss will come out at once.

At least Jamaat is getting Euros and dollars

Dear Farzana,

WHY dont you write something useful.
You always pick something from a comment and then keep beating the bush.

Reading comments from Qadis it seems that Your group is being led and sourced by JEWS

because PEACE is their slogan.

Can u tell me what happened to those 23 expelled students.

One thing if you do like Mushriks than you are amongst them.

sielenced u r realy doin JIHAAD in true sense…ALLAh bless you

Asslamo Alaikum

a_muslim,

From your comment “sielenced u r realy doin JIHAAD in true sense…ALLAh bless you”

We can get atleast one thing that you finally believe that the true JIHAD nowadays is not with the SWORD as ignorant Mullans think but rather with the Kalam (the pen).

An improvement Mashallah !!!.

PEACE

Waseem,

how u explain gazawats –

u r really with non believers who started ur group so that muslims donot rise against them.

by not doing jehad with sword u r defying acts of haz.Mohammed pbuh and sahaba ikram.

u guys are murtids and disblelievers

Raja,

First you asked a question and then you further went to declare me to be with the disbelievers and you did’nt stop there but rather declared me to be a murtad and a disbelier.

Sorry Raja, you are not my God to decide my faith. Nor is Pakistan or any state given the rite to decide my faith.

For your general information JEHAD is not to pick up sword and kill some one (like a terrorist). Its far more than what you can think of…. The highest Jehad, is Jehad with the help of the Quran. The sword cannot effect a change of heart, and, according to Islam, it is a sin to try and convert a people through fear or favor.

To learn about Jehad as practiced by Hazrat Muhammad (saww) and as believed by the Ahmadi Muslims read this link. http://www.alislam.org/jihad/ahmadisbelieve.html

PEACE

i believe in each n every form of Jihaad in the way of ALLAH(Subhan wa tallah)

“A Sincere Advice to Believers in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani”

Naturally, we do not expect that you blindly accept our claims. Instead, we humbly request that you obtain an original copy of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s books and verify our references for yourself. You will find them accurate and representative of the true beliefs of the Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat). Let us assure you that what you find appealing in Qadianism are the few teachings of Islam incorporated into that faith. Islam has always been a beautiful, complete, universal, and protected religion, in no need of a new prophet. We are certain that once you review all the proof earnestly, you will have no choice but to submit to Allah(SWT) and reject Qadianism. We certainly hope you are able to appreciate the truth.

Say: “O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, for Allah forgives all sins, for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Turn you to our Lord and submit to Him, before the doom comes on you, after which you shall not be helped.
And follow the best that has been revealed to you from your Lord, before the Penalty comes on you – of a sudden while ye perceive not!-
Lest the soul should say: ‘Ah! Woe is me!- In that I fell short of my duty towards Allah, and was but among those who mocked!’-
Or it should say: ‘If only Allah had guided me, I should certainly have been among the dutiful!’-
Or it should say when it sees the doom: ‘If only I had another chance, I should certainly be among the righteous!’ ”
(The Holy Quran, Az-Zumar, 39:53-58)

All Muslim scholars already have declared the followers of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani to be out of the fold of Islam. If you are a person who somehow believes in Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat), without having studied the writings of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, then your faith in the Qadiani “faith” is also questioned by the founder of your movement:

“Anyone who has not read my books at least three times, his faith is in doubt.”
(Seerat-ul-Mahdi, No. 407, Vol. 2, P. 78)

By blindly supporting the teachings of the Qadiani leadership, in any way and for any reason, you are indeed putting your soul at a great risk:

Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Anaam, 6:70)

We often get messages from very disturbed “Ahmadis” (Qadianis) who swear they do not hold all the views we have presented in these pages. We sympathize with them and believe their claim: they have been tricked into supporting Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat). The fact remains that the Qadiani (Ahmadi) doctrine includes all beliefs we have represented in these pages. These doctrines are included in the very writings of the founder of the movement and his successors.

Ignorance of these beliefs or rejection of some of them does not make Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s movement and teachings any more acceptable. The fact remains that Mirza Ghulam and his associates did advance these beliefs and mandated them on his followers. Does trying to ignore or discount some of the writings amount to anything more than fooling oneself into following a man-made cult? Is it reasonable to keep a blind eye to all the evidence showing the true nature of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat)?

Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah’s curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-
Except those who repent and make amends and openly declare (the Truth): To them I turn; for I am Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Baqara, 2:159-160)

Both the Holy Quran and Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) have instructed the Muslims to use their best judgment to arrive at the truth. We are certain that once you review all the evidence, you too become certain that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and his followers are not following a divine revelation. When you do, we hope you remember these words of Allah(SWT) :

Allah accepts the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, “Now have I repented indeed;” nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:17-18)

Please bear witness that we are Muslims and we have relayed the true message of Allah(SWT) to you. We hope that you are not among the unfortunate few who have earned the wrath of Allah(SWT) and are incapable to see the truth; those who Allah(SWT) has condemned to the lowest level in hell; those who cannot see:

When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.
How then, when they are seized by misfortune, because of the deeds which they hands have sent forth? Then they come to thee, swearing by Allah: “We meant no more than good-will and conciliation!”
Those men,-Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very souls.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:61-63)

I pray that Allah(SWT) will guide all the victims of the Qadiani (Ahmadi) misinformation campaign back to the path of Islam.

Asslamo Alaikum

a_muslim, I do appreaciate your belief in all forms of Jihad unlike Ignorant Mullas of nowadays who just belief in Jihad with the sword and killing and bloodshed.

Ahmadi Muslims all over the world have a unique feature – The institution of Khalifat. We are all united on one hand, unlike all other 72 sects which do not have a Khilafa.
This year we are celebrating the 100 years of Khilafat-e-Ahmadiyya.
To listen to the Centenary Khilafat speech by our Khailfa at Excel Centre in London:
http://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/KC20080527-UR.wmv

We believe in the return of Hazrat Isa (as):
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_7_section_3.html

We believe in the finality of prophet hood:
http://www.alislam.org/books/truth/finality.html

For replies to all your allegations and misconceptions please visit: http://www.real-islam.org/ and http://www.alislam.org

PEACE

If government of Pakistan do honest audit of Ahmadiyya group of Charities and make it public every year then half of Ahmadies will leave Nizaam e Jamaat Ahmadiyya in one day.

Silenced,

All efforts were made by Zulfiqar Ali Butto and Zia-ul-Haq to investigate the audits of the Jamaat-Ahmadiyya. But they couldnt find even a paisa spent wrongy. They were left with no option other than blindly declare Ahmadi Muslims to be non-Muslims. The fate of both these so leaders the world knows. And the fate of Pakistan you are all seeing….

Our Jamaat News:
Today our Khalifa innagurated the largest Mosque of North America. To see the progress of Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya keep tuned on http://www.alislam.org and http://www.mta.tv

PEACE

Waseem

why u guys always avoid answering real issue.

I asked about if sword jehad is wrong how u explain Gazwats?

Secondaly 73 sects of muslims have been establised for last 1000 yrs where are u.

And how come u are muslims when ur iman is false defying prophets.

khalifa is selected and ghulam qadi declared /proclaimed himself even muslims around world declined him- as he is- was murtid, so is his followers.

The Government of Pakistan had tried her best to involve the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat into some case and hence defame Ahmadiyyat.

Zulfiqar Ali Butto and Zia ul Haq came to Rabwah (Ahmadiyya Headquartes in Pakistan) and went through all the audits of our Jamaati Chanda. They couldn’t find even a single paisa spent wrongly. They tried all means to put Ahmadis into some case but failed. They were left with no option but to blindly declare the Ahmadi Muslims to be non-Muslims. Allah became angry with them and both these leaders had a very tragic end. Such is the way Allah deals with the opponents of his holy people and clearly distinguishes the beliers from opponents. See Friday Sermons of our 4th Klalifa at: http://www.real-islam.org/audio/sermons.html

May Allah enable Pakistan to recognise the wrong they are doing by not letting the Ahmadis have their freedom of religious activities.

Raja, Ahmadis don’t answer you coz you tend to close your eyes and behave in an un Islamic way. In Islamic culture, a child is from a very early age taught not to use abusive or foul language. But its your habit not to restrain from that. When discussing on religion you need to be extra careful because what you actually aim at is impress the other of your beliefs and hence turn his heart towards your self. From all your posts you have not been showing such accommodating behaviour. You called me a Murtad and a disbeliever then how do you expect me to answer you. I don’t consider your way to be Islamic at all. So first lean Islamic morals then do Tableegh. Note: I am not mentioning what you said to others including a female in your posts above.

Our Jamaati News: Our present Khailfa innagurated the largest mosque in North America last Friday. Photo gallery: http://www.alislam.org/gallery/album527

PEACE

The Government of Pakistan had tried her best to involve the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat into some case and hence defame Ahmadiyyat.

Zulfiqar Ali Butto and Zia ul Haq came to Rabwah (Ahmadiyya Headquartes in Pakistan) and went through all the audits of our Jamaati Chanda. They couldn’t find even a single paisa spent wrongly. They tried all means to put Ahmadis into some case but failed. They were left with no option but to blindly declare the Ahmadi Muslims to be non-Muslims. Allah became angry with them and both these leaders had a very tragic end. Such is the way Allah deals with the opponents of his holy people and clearly distinguishes the beliers from opponents. See Friday Sermons of our 4th Klalifa at: http://www.real-islam.org/audio/sermons.html

May Allah enable Pakistan to recognise the wrong they are doing by not letting the Ahmadis have their freedom of religious activities.

Raja, Ahmadis don’t answer you coz you tend to close your eyes and behave in an un Islamic way. In Islamic culture, a child is from a very early age taught not to use abusive or foul language. But its your habit not to restrain from that. When discussing on religion you need to be extra careful because what you actually aim at is impress the other of your beliefs and hence turn his heart towards your self. From all your posts you have not been showing such accommodating behaviour. You called me a Murtad and a disbeliever then how do you expect me to answer you. I don’t consider your way to be Islamic at all. So first lean Islamic morals then do Tableegh. Note: I am not mentioning what you said to others including a female in your posts above.

Our Jamaati News: Our present Khalifa innagurated the largest mosque in North America last Friday. Photo gallery: http://www.alislam.org/gallery/album527

PEACE

There is no evidence that Bhutto or Zia visited Rabwah or did audit of Jamaati corruption and embezzelment in Charity chanda money.

Most of this corruption reached to its peak in the last fifteen years and after the death of Zia.

Jamaati funds were stolen in the name of interest free ” Qarz e hasna ” and invested in heavy industries like Fecto cement etc.

Small scale officers like Nazirs ,naib nazirs and senior murrabies , life time amirs also got crumbs and got gift monies and ” qarze hasnas ” to buy sky rocketing real estate around the world.

Huge Sholarships for favoured students, London and Europe tours , Trans Pakistan jamaati tours to far flung resorts and free boarding and lodging in Jamaati rest houses , extensive use of Air conditioners, extensive use of Air conditioned Vehicles for shikars and recreation, etc. etc…

House building interest free loans , ..etc. etc..

Bribery and gifts to bureaucrats of Pakistan , secret fundings to various waring mullahs and sects of muslims , secret funding to media people etc etc. are few of the examples.

This is just a tip of the ice berg.

Audit has to be done every year and it has to be made public,..but who will do audit ..?? will the thieves like Faisal Saleh Hayat or Pir Pagara will do audit of Europe loving Pirs of Pakistan..??

WASEEM!

well silenced ahmedi has replied you well.

well as u say i am a bad muslim or a bad man.
but u r good ………..than what kind of people u preach.

why dont u answer my questions or its all PHUKA fire.

U challanged that bhutto was killed because he was against u .

Dear I am only fear Allah and no one else.

may I know what u say about tauheed.

Allah O Akbar!

TO EVERYONE

When a man dies in grave two angels will come and ask about TAUHEED, and only Momin will answer it straight away i.e SHAHADA but one who has doubts or false has been defying his words or causing mischief will not be able to answer this simple question.

I have asked this very question about few weeks ago but no one has replied this was specially put forward to qadi’s.

Allah Subhan O Tala has decided he has his ways.

Allah O Akbar!

I pray that Allah Guide us all

ASHAD O LA ILLAHA IL LA HO WA ASHAHD ANA MOHAMMEDEN ABUDU HU WA RASOOL O HOO.

When a person has no answer of other sects / religion then defiantly they do this as these people do. What a great Answer that “IF you talk wrongly about ISLAM and we have no answer then will turn our face like the pigeon do while the cat jumps over him.” I think they do vary right because when you are unable to answer to a question then why we do not remove that page from the book
{Shame Muslims Shame }
{Shame Jamati Shame}
Shame Shame Shame Muslim Shame, That is your todays worth.

Dear friends,

I am based in London and well aware how qadyani work / behave in their lives. In my borough, we have significant number of ahmadies and we do deal with regularly.

We have received following information from our sources which also include some Ahamdi friends as well. Let me share with you:

They were nor expelled on the basis of Ahmadies. They converted few muslim girls to their religion.These girls denied to go their home upon their new religion. They were sent to live with Ahmadies families in Faisalabad or Rabwah.

All these expelled students declared themselves as muslims i.e. not Ahmadies on their admission forms.

In medical college, no one is allowed to preach religion, but these students were in breach of clauses:

a- unlawfully signed declarion that they were muslims.
b- preaching their reeligion

College authorities did not expell those Ahmadi students who declared themselves Ahmadis/Qadyani on their admission forms.

I think no one sitting in Pakistan knows how this community work and try to convert as many people in to their sect. I have live examples here in London, Ahmadi girls marry to Sunni/Shia boy only to influence into Muslim community.

We have a joke back in 10 years , You marry to Ahmadi girl , Ahmadi Jamat will give £50 Marks & Spencer voucher for celebrate.

Thanks Mr Atif

I could not understand what Mr Rizwan was talking about.

They so strongly deny that we are khilafat etc. and Ghulam qadi was not …i dont know wat cuz they are not sure them selves.

Well They often say that Ghulam was not the last prophet and Hazrat Mohammed pbuh was Khatim un Nabian to decieve naive muslims.

They are liars … In their Salna Jalsa in UK last month they were chanting slogans HAZRAT GHULAM ETC KHATIM U NABEEN ISTAGHFIR ULAH.- showing their true believe.

By doing this clear that they are kafirs and not muslims.
it is same as christians say that they follow Jesus christ but actually they are following teachings of St Paul. This another topic.

if u dont believe i have recordings from thier mta

I do not believe Qadyanis or Ahmedi as a Muslims community, they are
Hippocrates and they are calling their selves as a Muslim. I do not agree with Adan Siddiqui, as what he said about kicking them just because they were talking about their belief with others is not good at all. Hippocrates is Not repeat Not allow to live among us. They created and tried to disrupted and almost having the aim to destroy the reality of Islam as such they ponders other Muslim is not real Muslim compares to Qadyanis or Ahmedi. First, they refused to accept our Mohammad (SAW) is the last messenger of Allah Almighty. They believe that their Imam can be the last messenger of the Allah almighty. They must get the rid of our entire Muslim world unless, otherwise they must have to return back to the Mohammad (SAW) constitution and be follower of Mohammad(SAW) pattern and to accept Mohammad (SAW) is the last messenger of the Allah Almighty.

salam i want to say on it that it is a very shameless incident .because all world knows that ahmadies are very kind persons and in pakistan it is only caused by MULLAS which called himself MUSLIM and every body knows about these MULLAS / MULVI,S these r terrorist and are involve in terrorisom so i want to say the INTER NATIONAL AMBASIDORS to force the GOVT OF PAK. to stop these incidents caused by MULLAS to AHMADIES .THAK YOU
NAUMAN

well done Mr hafiz nauman
from ur blog and confirm that ur dont know what u r talking about and hardly 17 yrs.

Tommorow u will call zardari and nawaz as honest and pious muslims.
son dont comment on what u dont know. At least read all this blog and than say something, might be useful

Good step eXcellent
Khatm-e-nubuwwat ZIndabad
Qadyaniyat Murdabad

khatam e nabowat zinda bad
qaidiyano ke tarha sheeyo ko b adalat k zareye kafir qarar dea jai
ye log islam k naam pe ik dabba hey
qaydiane r sheya MURDA BAD

QAIDIANE AND SHEEYA MURDABAD
AND THEY ALL ARE KAFIR

salam

swords can win territories, but not hearts; force can bend heads, but not minds.<< khalifatul masih the IV

you folks find some peace for yourself by giving peace to others!

much love from germany

its better to practice your own religion to the fullest and let others do the same. denying rights of minorities wont get us muslims anywhere.

i know all the terrorists operating within Pakistan(taliban etc) are muslims. killing people in the name of Jihad is also done by muslim terrorists. it wont hit me with surprise if muslims shall be banned from preaching their religion.

as far as preaching religion is concerned; i have seen a lot of “tablighee jamaats” in universities and colleges.

the way we muslims look down upon minorities really disgust me!!

regards,
a muslim

Dear Disgusted,

question is how to treat minorities.
question i swhat they are doing?

they are distorting face of islam and abusing Allah and Mohammed.

u look to be bit liberal what happens if someone scraching ur face and abusing ur father.

Where as Taliban is concerned what u r seeing are mostly non muslims and big consipracy.

i advise u please correct ur Kabba and comment when u r aware of facts.

then u will rise above disgusted

thank god I am ahmadi not any else all the remarks are show the mental level of writers

Allah Naozo Billah!

@ erratum,

my comment of 30th oct. @ 7.03 pm
is addressed to all Qadiani militants
NOT to Mr. Raja, I will address him in a seperate
comment very soon !, sorry for inconvinience Mr.Raja,
Rafay Kashmiri

I may b not rong. The history of Ahmedis are not good.
The have relations with Israel and in India they are acting as Muslims.

What so ever good or bad I don’t Ahmedis from my Muslim and Pakistani eyes.

I think all pakistani shud ooppose ban on ahmediya sect…..otherwise it clearly gives message that pakistans state policy is against hatred for some sects…yes if they r found doing illegal work..or terrorist activities..then its ok to ban .

Dear Manish,

Well we muslims with Emman do not care about worldly gains or losses and more so Isalm is not bound to countries or states.
Their is only one policy which is laid down or must say finalized 1400 yrs ago.
About legality it the Law and Principals laid down by Allah are the ones not You ME or any Tom Dick and Harry.
As far as Ahmedi’s are concerned they mock and distort the basics of Islam to worst extent.

As your hindu I say if Sri Rajnesh say he is above Ram or Lakshman and also try to make changes in basic believes of hinduism.

Well I take oppurtunity to Offer You Islam and come to right path.Its not difficult my grand grand father reverted to Islam not for wealth or land Allah bless him and give him paradise.

I find this blind hatred of Ahmedis and their expulsion not only sad but HORRIBLE and unjustified. They were expelled just because of their faith ?? THIS IS A DISGRACE TO OUR TALL CLAIMS OF PAKISTAN “SUPPORTING” ITS MINORITIES.

We have the gall to accuse india of mistreating muslims …. just look at how we treat the Ahmedis.

jahalat beyshumar, aqal gaee bharrh mein.

I think IJT are bastards and they should be banned in pakistan thier policies does not match the theory os islam neither the idology of Qauid -e-Azam.

why people are not left alone with their religious believes and let every one live in peace and work for country’s future.

I am a born Ahmadi, practiced Islam since childhood, lived in Saudi for 20 years, been to Makkah and Madina countless times.

Many things i am not sure of but one thing that i am sure is that i will die as a sciencetologist.

Folks, lets go to work,

reading all these words of hatred just give me head ache….it wud b better for those writing hateful things to watch what’s happening to islam in the world and judge by themselves who is on the true path….when watching the news in pakistan i can c that islam has got a new name that is ‘terrorism’.

so stop being judgemental and save our ISLAM.

from,

A LOVER OF OUR BELOVED PROPHETS (SAW) AND ALL OTHER PROPHETS

note: respect Allah’s creatures, Allah will send u to heaven

spread peace and the words of love and be tolerant. if you disagree then ignore. LIVE AND LET LIVE

just want to correct a mistake from orevious message:

our beloved prophet* (saw)