BBC Urdu reports that a group of 23 Ahmedi students having been expelled from a Medical College in Faisalabad on 4th June 2008. The pretext was that it would create a law and order situation because the Islami Jamiat-e-Talba (IJT) had protested that these students were propagating their religion which these students deny. Even if this were true, whether they have or do not have the right to do this can be looked at by a court of law. Expelling the students from the college is illegal and usurps the right of Pakistanis of any religion, color or caste to have education. Some of them have spent four or five years in this college already.
I do understand that this is a sensitive issue, but if we do not stand up for the rights of Pakistanis and minorities (as Ahmedis by law are in Pakistan) who will. Is it fair that mob mentality should not be allowed to pressurize institutions to take such action? If we succumb to accepting this think of Muslims as a minority in India or any where else in the world.
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178 responses to “Ahmedis expelled from Medical College”
i have not asked you to read our books so as to increase your knowledge.
mr raja i have not read all that you have written. you should calm down and be more respecfull to others when you preach. islam is peace. dont change its meaning by your attitude. you should see if it is a man or a woman when you are talking to somebody. you should not point your finger to others because there are your 4 other fingers looking at u.
i feel so sad that there is so much hatred in the heart of so called true muslims.
anyway i want to say that those students who have been expelled from punjab university should not lose hope. they should think positively. they should take it as a blessing in disguise.
before settling in the UK, our 4th khalifa was facing many problems in Pakistan because of his religious beleifs. now the ahmaddiya community has prospered a lot. these students should take this as an example and they should be brave. the best things are awaiting them.
ahmaddies have been killed in pakistan but so called true muslims have not been able to kill them all because ahmaddiyyat has spread evrywhere. this is also a blessing in disguise.
they have called ahmaddies kafir since decades. but now the so called true muslims are called terrorist. their isalm has got a new name.
May Allah Bless each soul on this earth.
Farzana,
Lame response from your side.
Insead of answering Raja’s points you are trying to emotionally black-mail muslims. Shame on you.
Your comment:
….because ahmaddiyyat has spread evrywhere. this is also a blessing in disguise.
So has PORN spread all over the world, is that a blessing? may be in your sick mindset, but not for any sane human being.
DEAR FARZANA,
YOU R REALLY FOLLOWING path of mirza,liar and twisting words, but times have changed.And time has come
JUST READ UR COMMENTS OF 15TH JUNE 7.02pm and 7.10pm
1.Comment by farzana on June 15, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
i would kindly advise to read books from MIRZA Ghulam Ahmad’s community instead of arguing over something which may not be true. people should avoid asking questions like this.
2.Comment by farzana on June 15, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
my question goes to MR RAJA:
i kindly ask you to mention from where you have obtained these information on MIRZA Ghulam Ahmad’s. is there any written proof (i mean any literature from the ahmaddiya muslim community)about what you are asking. where have you learnt or read about these? (refer to books from the ahmaddiyya muslim community)
THANKS FARIS.
I WANTED TO SHOW QADI AND MUSLIMS WHO SPEAK IN THEIR FAVOUR WHAT REALLY TRUTH IS..
JUST GOOGLE QADIANI /AHMEDIA IMAGES AND WILL FIND DOCUMENTS WHICH ACTUALLY SHOWS WRITINGS FROM MIRZA FAVOURING BRITISH GOVERN.
IF U GIVE ME EMAIL I LL POST IT TO U.
THEY HAVE BEEN QOUTED IN QURAN:
9.And We have made before them a Wall and a wall behind them then We have covered(parda) them over so that they do not see.
10.And it is equal to them whether you warn( nasihiat) them or do not warn they are not to believe.
PARA 22, SURA YA SIN: VERSES 1- 10.
Farzana,
Please dont waste your time with these Ignorants.
The Holy Quran says:
Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 7
‘Those who have disbelieved – it being alike to them whether thou warn them or warn them not – they will not believe.’
Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 8
Allah has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering; and for them is a grievous chastisement.
Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 172
‘And the case of those who disbelieve is like the case of one who shouts to that which hears naught but a call and a cry. They are deaf dumb and blind – so they do not understand.’
Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 257:
‘There is no compulsion in religion.’
Al-Kafirun Chapter 109 : Verse 7:
‘For you your religion, and for me my religion.’
Al-Furqan Chapter 25 : Verse 64:
‘And the true servants of the Gracious God are those who walk on the earth humbly and when the ignorant address them, they avoid them gracefully by saying, ‘Peace!’’
PEACE
thanks wassem.
i will not answer questions in this way cuz i dont debate in such an unhealthy way. this is not a way to debate on religion.
DO U DEBATE ON RELIGION LIKE THIS FARIS?
i now understand why ahmaddies do not answer YOUR questions.
Have a NICE TIME
“PEACE”
Allah o Akbar, Allah o akbar, Allah o Akbar
1, A MUSLIM is praying to his god to to make a woman’s life as hell and miserable and take her senses and give her death etc etc and HIS ALLAH is going to hear his prayers?DOES ALLAH HEAR THESE TYPE OF PRAYERS???????????????????
2, Is this what your prophet MOHAMMAD (PBUH) taught you????
I heard that prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was praying even for his enemies????????????????????????????????????
3, ARE YOU THE FOLLOWER OF THE PROPHET (PBUH) who prayed for the people of taif who left him bleeding till his shoes were full of blood????????????????????????????????
SUMMUN BUKMUN UMYUN FAHUM LA YARJEOON
and my dear THOSE WHO ARE HANDICAPPED I CAN ONLY PRAY FOR THEM THAT O MY ALLAH PITY THEM AS THERE ARE HANDICAPPED SHOW THEM THE RIGHT ISLAM WHICH DOES NOT TEACH ABUSES AND INSULTING AND QUARREL AND FIGHT. COZ IF THIS IS REAL ISLAM THEN ITS BETTER TO BE A KAFIR WITH GOOD MANNERS THAN A MUSLIM WITH ILL MANNERS.
PEACE
Another friend is advising that google QADIYANI / AHMEDIA and see the result. My dear fellow i think nobody is that much INNOCENT in this internet era that he will not know that how much security is there over the internet to build websites. for example http://www.ahmedi.org which has been mentioned by the so called AM AHMADI, is this site for the ahmadiyya organisation? YOU ARE NOT AN AHMADI, YOU ARE A LIAR. iS THIS WHAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH) TAUGHT YOU????????????????????
anybody can buy any domain and put a bundle of lies online and start advertising that its not for me its for another person.
another fellow is comparing a religion to porn, where i heard the the prophet (PBUH) said that DONT ABUSE OTHER RELIGIONS GOD BECAUSE MAYBE IN IGNORANCE THEY MIGHT ABUSE YOUR GOD , HATS OFF FOR A MUSLIM @FARIS. Its only a MUSLIM like you who can compare religions like this. THANK GOD AM NOT A MUSLIM LIKE YOU.
PEACE
Well done Aleem!
Making my life easier.
I prayed in that WAY because I wanted a response and a reason behind it.
Response is yours – You, waseem, farzana talk same way as I did, so what makes you better.
This Means you are not as tolerant as you guys claim to be. There is Hatered in you and you spill time to time and get a similar response in reaction……and you cry.
Reason : I showed this is what mirza Ghulam used to do himself in his lifetime cursing and putting allegations ( even on prophets- like Jesus, Disagreeing with Hadith MOHAMMED SAW ) his opponents and ones who donot obey his commands e.g. Mohammadi Begum.
So where YOUR example of Taif fit with mirza here, you qoute so much.
he claimed Allah Nauz O bila as shadow of Mohammed pbuh.
HOW DOES IT FEEL ……
My prayer still holds and is for anyone who disgraces my Prophet Mohammed pbuh even disagreeing slightest. Meaning he is more senseable and more thoughtful then My Prophet and My Allah.
Mirza did worse, he compared himself with Mohammed (saw). He said often that God did not mean that or Mohammed did mean that so indirectly saying that They did not know what they were talking about or weren’t able to convey themselves….ANB
Thanks Aleem again by qouting…….
“DONT ABUSE OTHER RELIGIONS GOD BECAUSE MAYBE IN IGNORANCE THEY MIGHT ABUSE YOUR GOD , HATS OFF FOR A MUSLIM @FARIS. Its only a MUSLIM like you who can compare religions like this.”
So you Agree that you have a different religion i.e religion of MAN ,Mirza Ghulam.
Thanks again. Jehad is declared.
a country where islam’s lovely teachings have been distorted like this that people who dont know the real teachings of islam and with ill manners claim to be TRUE MUSLIMS and after that find lame excuses to cover their lies, suspending students is nothing, i think they should have been rusticated forever. yes we cry coz our heart pains for what is happening to the lovely teachings of Islam
Aleem,
Stop using Muhammad (S.A.W.W) ‘s name to sweeten your poison.
Sahaba were the best students of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), you know what they did to the false prophet like Qadiani?
Your buzz words like Peace and Hormony are hollow just like the imposter Qadiani.
Dear Aleem,
Plz Search yourself.
Sorry I cannot help you as we cannot hit you on net.
TELL us is there anyway else we can help u getting VISA.
Dear Faris donot waist time on wasted ones. By this blog we have very much exposed them. I tried to present some facts so people who do not know would learn including these poor lost souls………
They are used to it and thats what they are good at wasting everyone ones time.
They will qoute these blogs to Western countries to get VISAS saying ‘ see how much they hate us we are forced to leave otherwise we would have kept serving you there…..bla bla bla..
I am happy that more harder they try to distort our faith stronger it becomes.
‘Allah do forgive us all as You are the most gracious and merciful and accept TAUBA if they ask for as often they donot know what they are doing …….but You are the only one who knows best and You are the best Judge.’
‘ May Allah shower his blessings on you and all Ummat e Muslima and unite us in carrying our duties rightly throughout our lives and our generations to come till KUFR dies even it requires our wealth,family or life as sacrifice.’ -Ameen.
there was a fox who was wanting to eat grapes but as they were higher on the tree she went away telling herself that the grapes were sour, you have already shown ur manners and now i can imagine how you are clawing your face and telling urself that it was a WAY to get the response.I THINK YOUR ISLAM TAUGHT YOU TO BE ABUSIVE FOR A REASON AND TO GET RESPONSE. SOORY NEITHER MY ISLAM NOR MY PROPHET (PBUH) TAUGHT ME THIS. SCROLL BACK AND SEE WHO ABUSED WHO MY DEAR MUSLIM!!! ha ha ha
i dont know what you want to show pepole about islam while showing these type of manners. and the other thing that u said is that I AGREE to have another religion, so my dear if now you want to claim to be ALIM UL GHAIB then as ur wish, who am i to stop anybody to talk anything.YOU HAVE SHOWED UR MANNERS NOW NO USE TO CLAW UR FACE. i just wanted to say that therare some manners to talk with anybody, and i was thinking that maybe following a prophet (PBUH) whose teachings were based on love on respect maybe you will also be following his teachings BUT ALAS……
PEACE
Raja,
You are right, its useless to waste time with these corrupt minds.
May Allah make Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammad S.A.W.W.
Raja, May Allah give you 10 sons and may Allah make them all like the Ashra-Mubashira. Ameen.
Thanks Sami,
Salam to you all.
Just keep doing DaWA even to our fellow muslims as they need it aswell so that they cannot be decieved againa and again.
Below are 2 quotes of 2 SO CALLED MUSLIMS SHOWING THEIR ISLAM.. ASTAGHFIRULLAH RABBI MIN KULLE ZAMBIN WA TOUBO ILAIH
“”May ALLAH make your life as miserable as in hell. may allah take your all 5 senses and death miserable.
I cannot slay you being a women but I pray to Allah that u are not be able of even replying it.””@RAJA (another so called muslim)
“”Stop using Muhammad (S.A.W.W) ’s name to sweeten your poison.Sahaba were the best students of Muhammad (S.A.W.W), you know what they did to the false prophet like Qadiani?””@FARIS (a so called muslim)
From the manners shown by RAJA, NAUZUBILLAH DID THE SUHABA DO THE SAME AS RAJA DID TO FARZANA?????????????????
are you showing me the manners of a true muslim or the manners of THAT MUSLIM WHO IS FAMOUS IN THE WORLD AS TERRORIST??????????????????????????
FOR GOD SAKE STOP DISTORTING ISLAMS TEACHINGS AND SHOW THE LOVELY AND BEUTIFUL TEACHING OF ISLAM TO THE WORLD AS A MUSLIM IS KNOWN AS A TERRORIST IN ALL OVER THE WORLD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And another friend wanted to hit me @RAJA but as he is on the net SO he cannot. MY DEAR FELLOW YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST TO HIT ME, TRUE ISLAM HAS ALWAYS BEEN A DANGER FOR OTHERS SINCE PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH)’S ERA.
NEVER THINK THAT WITH FIGHT AND HATRED YOU CAN SPREAD YOUR ISLAM.NOBODY IS ATTRACTED TO THESE TYPE OF MANNERS. BE AN EXAMPLE OF A TRUE MUSLIM AND PEOPLE WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE ATTRACTED TOWARDS YOUR RELIGION.
LEARN HUMANITY THEN ISLAM AND THEN SHOW ME THAT THESE ARE THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM AND THEN IF I LIKE YOUR BEHAVIOUR THEN WE TALK ABOUT ISLAM MY DEAR, CZ FOR THE TIME BEING I THINK THAT ………… 🙁
MANNERS FIRST THEN DEBATE, BUT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT YOUR MISTAKE, GO ON CLAWING YOUR FACE CZ THE GRAPES ARE SOUR
PEACE
My response is for Mr. Raja’s following comments
“Comment by RAJA on June 15, 2008 @ 4:07 am
Dear Abu Ayan,
Nice speech. BUT U HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION PLZ DO SO.
This is what u guys good at. DISTRACTING.
MAY ALLAH TAKE AWAY ALL THINGS FROM U UR MAAL/MONEY, FAMILY ,STATUS UR RESPECT UR LIFE U UR LIFE AND DEATH BE HELL FOR U FROM TODAY.- INSHALLAH.
THIS IS NOT MY REVENEGE BUT WILL BE REVENGE OF ALLAH AND HE WHO KNOWS BEST.”
Look it has been mentioned many times in the discussion above that there is no point in wasting time in arguments. The way you have been praying for other people in the forum and the kind of words that you have used for me indeed show how much you have learnt, how much you have remembered and how much you are practicing from the “actual sweet” teachings of that MOST BEAUTIFUL preacher and Most Loving Character ever on the face of earth. So me or any other moderate Muslim can no way compete you in such kind of hate-race and unethical language. So I will not use bad words for you, will not pray for your death and family miseries :). This is because me and any other “TRUE” Muslim knows that this is not for what Islam started and this is not even to close to what Hadhrat Muhammad peace be upon him taught. You may respond with lot of more abuses but just think for one moment would his soul be happy with your any other person who calls himself Muslim, using such words ? JUST think for once.
OK so whatever I am saying I am not saying with a view to create arguments. Anyone of us could be wrong, but if we have the resolve to correct others for the sake of Islam and Humanity then we have to show respect for each other. By following an approach like this can you attract non-Muslims to Islam. Rather this will create a horrifying face of Islam. Wouldn’t it ? And as a true believer will you ever like that to happen that people turn their faces to “Islam” – The most lovely teachings of Universe. I am sure your answer is a big “NO”. So lets be Muslims from our words and then actions also. I have tried to be what I have been taught by my version of Islam. I had to use the word “MY Version” because of course there are differences. Because such mishandlings of such and other differences today Islam is being seen as a hostile religion and west has misused such things and further created problems for the “True Islam”. So pls think over it and come forward to Server the Islam truly.
I had posted my message (Which was of course not a speech) with in which focus was not the community in question. My pain was for the country. My country, your country. country of all of us. I will avoid repeating all that has been said about the reasons why this was founded.
Even before I read your questions i had posted my paper. So here are the answers to your questions. I say this considering the Allah the Almighty present everywhere; that each and every word of mine is True. Now if you don’t believe me that is your call.
1.your kalima – la illa ha ill lala ho ahmed ur rasool allah. …
Response: I am not doubting your intentions, but what you quoted is completely wrong. Our Kalima is also La ilaha Illallaho Muhammad ur Rasoolallah. NO MENTIONING OF “AHMAD” at all. Now believing is your choice. Don’t tell me that by reading it “Muhammad” from the heart I am saying “Ahmad”. This is because despite hurting my love for “Muhammad” you are also doing a big sin of doubting someone’s intention – something that according to our Dear Prophet, he didn’t have the authority to do. So PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT
2.DO U PAY ZAKAT AND WHAT PERCENTAGE.?
Yes, we do pay Zakat. And not only Zakat we have dozens of other Donations that we have to give.
3.HOW MANY OF U HAVE PERFORMED HAJJ BAITULLAH- DID MIRZA GM HIMSELF PERFORMED HAJJ?
Response: As per the rule of Saudi Arabia, anyone whose country declares him to be non-Muslim for being an Ahmadi (e.g. Pakistan) is not allowed to perform Hujj. But people from Ahmadiyya community holding other nationalities (with passports not mentioning the religion) do perform Hujj regularly. And more than anything we do consider HUJJ as the fifth pillar of Islam. But you know it that the verse mentioning the Hajj in Holy Quran also mentions that “this is only allowed if no cruel ruler is on the way …” I hope you get the answer.
4.WHY MIRZ GM HAS REVELATION AS MEHDI, THEN MASSIAH AND THEN DEMOTED TO KHALIFA.
Response: Let my tell you honestly you are mixing different things together or may be you had some mistakes in picking up information. As far as revelation are concerned; he assumed different names because according to his claim and our believers he is the one who is the reformer for all the religions. Every religion is waiting for someone. And it is the privilege of Islam that Allah sent the final reformer for all religions from Islam – and very rightly Islam being the final religion has all the rights for this privilege. You may check the old records, before he claimed to be the Mehdi (when everyone turned against him), he was being considered to be the most honored and strong Islamic scholar of the time. Even today scholars of Islam agree to this fact that he was the one who was giving tough time to anti-Islamic campaigns esp from Christians
5,HOW MANY OF QADI’S HAVE PERFORMED JEHAD.
Response: what do you mean by Jihaad. Killing those whom you disagree with. This is not something that true Islam taught us. It even taught us not to kill those who dont attack you. You might argue that those who are attacking Muslim countries – we should have Jihaad against them. But Jihad in its true meaning was something that had spread Islam in the whole world. But tell me what good today’s Jihad (which is being misunderstood and mis-practiced by many Muslims) have brought to the name of Islam? you will get your answer. But when it comes to Ahmadies YES, we believe in Jihad and the day it is needed to lift the arms against those hurting Islam, Ahmadies will be the first one to do so (and in past Ahamdies did so). Jihad is an Arabic word, that means “making efforts”. So actual meaning is to make efforts for the spread of Islam. In today’s high-tech world when everything is being globalized one cant live on those old lines. You can have millions of ways to spread Islam. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib taught his Jama’at and Muslims that this time is about “Jihad Bil Qalam”, and that is the most effective way of Spreading Islam. You can see that those who are making efforts with Gun are not bringing any good thing to Islam. Even if you don’t agree, Millions of other Muslim would for sure agree.
6.WHEN DID HE SAID PRAYER BEHIND IMMAM MEHDI?
Response: He himself claimed to be Imam Mehdi, so there is no question about offering prayers behind Imam Mehdi. So probably your question is not clear or may be you are not clear about his claims.
7.WHEN DID HE SPOKEN TO CHRISTIANS TO BECOME MUSLIMS.
Response: Instead of writing and filling pages here you just go and read references of those Muslim Ulama who agreed that help from him was the only thing that broke the backbone of all the anti-Islamic plans of Christians. If for reference you want to watch a video clip of Dr. Israr Ahmed ( a renowned scholar) you may go to http://www.real-islam.org. Dr. Israr is never supportive to Ahmadies (for obvious reasons) but here he himself admitted the service of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib to protecting Islam from all anti-Islamic moves esp Christians were really instrumental.
8.HIS RELATIONSHIP AND MEETINGS WITH BRITISH RAJ.
Response: Though your question in not very clear, but it is giving an impression that he had something going on with Britishers. I will again suggest that if you read what was being published in the newspapers of those years then you will see the way he was talking to emperors i.e. Britishers. If at times he said things about obeying the law and not advising and provoking the people to create an unrest then this is purely Islamic. Every Muslim is bound to obey the law of the land. But this does not mean that he did anything good to them. What would you say about Quaid-e-Azam then. Who spent most of his professional life in UK. Even after coming to India his most of the time was spent with British rulers etc. So does it mean that he was not sincere to Muslims? No all his efforts were to push them out of the country.
9.WHEN QADIS TAKE ASSYLUM WHY IN WESTERN WORLD WHY NOT IN ANY MUSLIM STATE.E.G. SAUDI ARABIA
Response: All the other Muslim countries do not recognize Ahmadies as Mulsims so there is no point in they offering assylum to Ahmadies. About Saudi Arabia, I have written above that no one whose passport mentions a religion “Ahmadi” can get a visa or enter Saudi Arabia. So I hope this clarifies.
I have given all the above answers with a positive mind. Now if you were honest in getting to the truth then I am sure this would have helped you.
There are many anti-Ahmadi websites and websites which are apparently being run by Ahmadies but are actually being run by anti-Ahmadies and they are spreading information which has nothing to do with the beliefs of Ahmadies. So one has to be careful in looking at the rigt thing. If you or anyone else is truly interested in learning the right things you should go to
http://www.alislam.org. you will find lot of information and literature – but rest assured none of all that will be hateful.
You may also visit http://www.real-islam.org. This is not an official Ahmadiyya website but has collection of lot of information. It also contains lot of video clips that show how much hatred is being pumped into society against Ahmadies. And we all must believe that Hatred is not going to take us, this society or even the whole world anywhere.
If you did not like my replies, then probably you will through lot of more harsh words to me. But we should have it clear in our minds that such acts are not going to bring any harm to anyone. The only thing it will project; is a bad name for Islam to the whole world. And God DOES NOT LIKE IT FOR HIS OWN TRUE RELIGION. And if He does not like then we should be afraid of His anger. This is not something that I passing on some traditional threating words. These are real worries that me or any other true believer will have for every other person who assciates himsef/ herself to the word “Islam”.
So may God Bless all with the right path, and to practice the “real” teachings of Islam.
Anu Aayan
the reply of Abu Ayaan is more tham enough for a person searching the truth but actually RAJA and his friends like FARIS etc etc are not wanting to find the truth they just want to create a useless argument and show THEIR ISLAM.please repeat “IHDI NASSIRAT AL MUSTAQQEEM” and “ASTAGHFIRULLAH RABBI MIN KULLE ZAMBIN WA TOUBO ILAIH” a lot in your prayers. MAY ALLAH SHOW YOU THE TRUE LOVELY TEACHINGS OF ISLAM.
Peace
Qadianis,
This life is a few days long. You can prosper and flourish with the help of Shaitan and your MASTERS. Go ahead enjoy as much as you can.
For akhirat, your Masters would be of no use and neither will shaitan be able to help you nor your Ghulam Kafir Qadiani.
Noor will be for those who rejected the false prophets like Qadiani.
Muhammad (S.A.W.W) will look away from those people who claimed to be his followers but corrupted the religion by following false prophets like Ghulam Kafir Kadiani.
Then you will look for help from Ghulam Kafir Qadiani and you will not find him, but at the bottom of the PIT.
So go ahead, enjoy the the immigrations, the support of your Masters, the wealth they give you, offcourse Shaitan has made it look a beautiful path for you.
“In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals), each of whom will claim to be a prophet,
But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me.”
(Abu Dawood Vol 2 p. 228; Tirmidhi Vol 2 p.45)
See what Qadiani said about Ahadith…
“The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.” (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)
Hi everyone…I am myself a Muslim, but unfortunately some of my relatives are Ahamadi, .I have known and observed everything firsthand.trust me they are a troubled lot. Abu Ayan is right about them visiting Saudia Arabia for pilgrimage on other passports and i cannot stand the thought of them visiting Khana Kaaba and Makkah as NO non muslim is allowed in our Holy cities. Its just seems very sneaky of them. They cannot travel to Saudia on the Pakistani passport.
Beware of these people, their higher ups in England are completely brain washing their own people, they appear to be the sweetest people around and they consider us non muslims and themselves as muslims. They have an Ahmadiyya TV channel which broadcasts their “Hazoor’s” Khutba!.. Just dont listen to any Farzana, Abu Ayan and the guy who said he cried when he read all this, etc etc…because these poor souls are just trying to convince themselves.
May Allah guide them towards the right path. Ameen!
I believe that all of u here belongs to different sects like Farzana, raja, faris, wasseem, noha, one karachite, aleem, karim, ahmad, sami abu ayan, ect.
Thus I want to know your opinions from what I’ve read from above. That is:
1) “verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one..”
2) “By the constitution of Pakistan, the 72 sects decided the Ahmadis were not one of them.”
So I want to know which one of these sects is the true Islam and which is accepted by GOD. (Because I think that there is only one which will b accepted by God.)
Some of u here, i find that your anger is worst than fire against the ahmaddies. To win the heart of people there should be love in each word that we preach. I firmly believe so.
wow…what the comment of sami, farzana, an ahmadi….n ahmed….the expelled students will progress all over the world….thhese 23 students will have bright future for all their sacrifice….bas dua,sabar n sacrifice….
pehle b zia-ul-haq ne apna haal dekha aur bari hai fsd ki dekhte hain fir….aur whatever ye jo raja saab ne bola….anjaam tu ab puri duiniya pakistan ka anjaam dejhe gi….
I am a born Ahmadi , and as Pirs brain wash their mureeds , and take advantage of low self esteem and knowledge of their followers similarly we Ahmadies were exposed to a completely close knitted fascist system known as Nizam e Jamaat e Ahmadiyya.
There are generations after generations of Mirzas on the top and then there are thousands of life time paid Murrabies ( missionaries ) and then there are office bearers who like to get publicity and crumbs etc.
They collect billions of dollars every year in the name of chanda or donations and most of it is embezelled by top leadership in the name of interest free loans and gifts etc.
Ahmadiyya leadership always force ordinary Ahmadies to keep things stirred up and we Ahmadies keep on provoking other Main stream Muslims needlessly.
We do this in order to get cases registered against us by the administration and with Pakistani government , so that we can get sympathies of Western countries and we get political asylum in the Western countries.
When Australian government made an agreement with our Khalifa sahib then Ahmadies wrote their names along with their father names and went to the offices of Khatme nubuwat and threw written challenge or mubahila to them.
Office bearers of Khatme nubuwat also wanted business, hence they hurried and went to nearby police station and registered cases against Ahmadies under Zia’s ordinance.
After achieving that target , Ahmadies fled to Rabwah, from where they got their visas and tickets for Australia and those jobless Ahmadies and their families are now well settled there.
Mullahs of Khatme Nubuwat also collect chanda in the name of this religious business , and it is reported that one Sunni Mullah Allah Yar Arshad of Rabwah collects approx 20,000 rupees bribe from each Ahmadi to register a case against him in the local police station.
Due to this business Ahmadies have now become richest citizens of Pakistan and they are taking advantage of Pakistan along with rich Western countries.
Rabwah is now bursting with Euros and dollars and it boasts Pakistan’s biggest mega homes and palaces.
Rabwah has world most modern libraries, swiming pools , rest houses , fully loaded mercedez cars for Mirzas and their clergy , and tons of resources and rest houses all over the world.
Our Jamaat fund organizations like Human rights commission, and media people and our jamaat people are on internet forums with different nicks and some of them are acting like fifth columnists and are trying to invite NATO forces in Pakistan.
Case of PMC student expulsion and its publicity all over the world is telling us that it was all pre planned by our Jamaat Ahmadiyya and they have some dirty plans for Pakistan.
Jamaat Islami should also stop harrassing ordinary muslims and they are no contractors or thekay dars of Islam or Pakistan.
Jamaat Islami and the administration fell in Ahmadiyya trap as usual,and brought bad name for otherwise tolerant Pakistani society.
If we really want to solve issue of Jamaat Ahmadiyya then their activities in Rabwah and London have to be monitored, and we have to observe how much money is going in and out of Rabwah.
Government has to do audit of this charity , and government has to make their activities public.
We also have to observe that how much bribe they pay to the local police officials and how they treat and torture ordinary dissenting Ahmadies.
Government within government , which our Jamaat Ahmadiyya run through offices of Rabwah need to be checked.
Governmnet officers should stop taking bribe from our jamaat and they should fulfill their constitutional duties faithfully.
http://www.ahmedi.org is a web site made by dissentinr, tortured , silenced and threatened Ahmadies.
One can dig archives and discussion forums to read lot more than the biggest Piri Mureedi group of this world known as Jamaat e Ahmadiyya
Web site is :
http://www.ahmedi.org
Ahmadi Mullahs and Non Ahmadi mullahs love dogmatic discussions and useless details of theology etc.
Their bread and butter depend on such controversies and Allama Iqbal also mentioned that Non Ahmadi Mullahs don’t want to finish Ahmadiyyat as it is a permanent source for their bread and butter.
Muslim world need practical actions rather than talks in mosques like Tablighi people do or boastful claims and propaganda which Ahmadiyya jamaat do on their Muslim Television Ahmadiyya.
European countries are based on Greco Roman Culture , which is based on pork, wine, dog and opportunities of mixing of opposite sex which leeds to free sex.
Where as Muslim Culture is based on Kalima Shahada, circumcision, halal meat, no wine, no dog, ” Haya ” , ” Parda ” and strong marriage institution etc.
European countries have become one in the form of EU and they are one with USA and NATO is a united force to protect their Greco Roman culture , where as Muslims are fighting for ” Chapatis ” and crumbs of bread .
I tell you that you cannot win from extremely cunning and ultra rich and resourceful Ahmadi Mullahs , thats why I hinted in my above post to do legal audit of their activities and one can show their luxurious life style in Rabwah and Pakistan and one can show their wealth and those mega homes to Western countries.
Ordinary Ahmadies are just brain washed slaves , but Ahmadiyya leadership is extremely cunning and they are no different than other feudal Pirs and parasite families of Pakistani society.
When rule of law and awareness will come to Pakistan , then people will be able to understand extreme wealth and deception of these parasite families of Pakistan.
http://www.ahmedi.org is a web site made by dissenting, tortured , silenced and threatened Ahmadies.
One can dig archives and discussion forums to read lot more than the biggest Piri Mureedi group of this world known as Jamaat e Ahmadiyya
Web site is :
http://www.ahmedi.org
Ahmadi students were never expelled , they were just suspended and they are now restored.
Administration of PMC actually saved lives of Ahmadi students as Ahmadi students were deliberately provoking emotional and otherwise angry citizens of that oppressed country.
Scanned copy of the Official Letter shown at the top is incomplete and it is just showing names of students but the actual wordings of the PMC administration is missing.
This is how these gangs operate and thrive on forged and incomplete documents.
People smuggling gangs of Ahmadiyya Rabwah can actually send wrong people to Europe and USA in the guise of Jalsa or annual gatherings.
Mr. Silenced —–, I will not call you “Ahmedi” because you are for 1000% sure reasons NOT AN AHMADI. Not because your beliefs are completely out of phase and has no glimpse of Islam and Ahmadiyyat; but because you have not idea what an Ahmadi is ! The whole world knows who is operating your so called website i.e. http://www.Ahmedi.org. I just wonder that Islam teaches us “truth” but howcome all of you and others who claim to be Muslims indulge yourselves into such activities which are completely based on lies and frauds – I just wonder what will you say when your accontability will be done.
I will request you to please do not use the word “our” whenever you talk of Jama’at-e-Ahmadiyya. Because for obvious reasons it is not “your” Jama’at. After reading your messages even the most ignorant person could understand the motives behind your statements. Can someone talks of “his” Jama’at like this? If you feel all these bad rather horrible things are part of this Jama’at then why in the world are you still calling yourself an Ahmedi and then calling this Jama’at “your” Jama’at.
Your are perfectly right about people using different nicks and portraying different kind of wrong and misleading information about Ahmadiyya Jama’at. And Let me tell you one thing the nick “Silent Ahmedi” is also one of these. This Silent Ahmedi has nothing to do with this Loving Jama’at rather he is uselessly trying to mislead other Muslims by falsefully represting to be a member of this Jama’at.
And Lastly about the visas and immigrations. One would wonder, that probably the immigration and government officials of all these countries (who are thought to be most strict in their screenings) are so so simple and foolish that they get fooled by such basic designs of this small community who is not even allowed to call themselves what they believe they are in their own country !!! I salute your mathematical mind :). I can only pray for the mentality of yours. Probably one day you will also use a nick of a “silent Muslim” and will make the most horrible statement that our Greatest Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alehay Wassallam also took immigration of Madina right ??? For God sake spare this sweet, loving, and peaceful religion from your sick thoughts. I beg you pls spare “ISLAM” of all these. This lovely religion has had enough of such things and have had serious damages.
Whatever you say… No matter how hard yours (or others’) words get; we will still keep on praying for all of you. Only because you still associate yourselves to the Prophet whose teachings we “practically” believe in – the prophet who was given the name of Rahmatullil Aalameen.
May God Bless you and all Muslims, Aameen
Abu Aayan.
SALAM
A bit out of the way but for general knowledge: Ahmadiyya Muslim Community progresses as usual and holds Jalsa Salana USA.
Here is a link from BBC Urdu website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/regional/story/2008/06/080624_ahmedi_congregataion_fz.shtml
Also today the Jalsa Salana Canada will be starting and could be seen live at http://www.mta.tv
PEACE
~~~Can any Qadiani (Ahmadi) Solve These Puzzles?
Speaking about his own books, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani wrote:
“All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me.”
(Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548;
Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s own eldest son, Fadl Ahmad, did not believe in the claims of his father and did not respond to his call. In fact, when Fadl Ahmad died, Mirza Ghulam refused to participate in his funeral prayers!
(Al-Fadl, 22 April, 1941 and 2 May, 1941)
Puzzle 1:
In the light of Mirza’s earlier declaration, what was his son? What would this make Fadl Ahmad’s mother (Mirza’s wife)? What kind of a man was Mirza Ghulam to have such people as family members?
With his offensive comment, Mirza Ghulam targeted the entire Muslim Ummah;
but, Allah(SWT) made Mirza the recipient of his own attack.
Indeed, the target of evil deeds is the evil doer himself.
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Over the years, Mirza Ghulam used vulgar and blasphemous statements regarding The Messiah(Jesus(pbuh)). After claiming he (Mirza) himself was The Messiah foretold by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW), Mirza claimed:
“It was revealed to me that due to my humility and sacrifice and trust in God and signs and blessings, this humble self is a replica of the first life of Messiah. The nature of my humble self and the nature of Messiah are very much similar to each other as if two pieces of the same Jewel or two fruits of the same tree.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 1, P. 593)
Puzzle 2:
Which Messiah was he taking about when he said that Messiah was an alcoholic, a womaniser, a man of low moral character, a liar, an impostor, an unbeliever, …? Jesus(pbuh) the beloved prophet of Allah(SWT) or himself, the false claimant to being Messiah? Life of which Messiah was he describing?
With his offensive writings, Mirza Ghulam targeted Jesus(pbuh);
but, Allah(SWT) made Mirza the recipient of his own attack.
Indeed, the target of evil deeds is the evil doer himself.
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Who was really Mirza Ghulam Qadiani? A reformer, Mehdi, Messiah, Muhammad, a Prophet, Hindu Lord, an obedient Servant of the British Imperialism, Dajjal, …? Perhaps the best description is that given by himself:
“I am neither an earth-worm nor a human being.
I am the most hated organ of human body and a shame for humanity.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 21, Page 127)
Puzzle 3:
Can you explain to us what is the “most hated organ of human body” and where is it located?
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Mirza Ghulam subjected Hazrat Eisa (Jesus(pbuh)) to much abuse and ridiculing. [Read: Mirza Ghulam’s Tirade against Jesus(pbuh)]. But, he had earlier declared that:
“In Islam, blasphemy against any Prophet is Kofr.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 23, P. 390)
Puzzle 4:
What can we safely conclude about Mirza Ghulam Qadiani?
~~~~~courts rulling on qadianism regarding qadiani cult~~~~
http://www.irshad.org/exposed/legal.php
must read
Mr Waseem !
Are you addicted to Jalsa …??, do you think financial progress of Mirza family and their paid clergy is progress of an ordinary Ahmadi..??
There are lot of Jalsas and public gatherings which are much bigger than Ahmadiyya Jalsas, so why to sell this business like this..??
All those huge banners , LCD TV displays , gathering halls, Fancy cars,.. movie cameras etc etc Non of those things were made or invented by any Ahmadi.
So why brag about borrowed glory ..
Ahmadies in USA Jalsa were bored and they were sleeping or waiting for lunch or looking for some business or Rishta oppotunities ..
Ahmadies are now sick and tired of those melodious brain washing poems too..
Empty slogans of converting 2 billion pork eating christians, 1 billion cow urine drinking Hindus and 1 billion dog eating chinese to Ahmadiyyat are no longer deceiving today’s informed citizens..
Go to Ahmadi homes and very few watch MTA , future generations of Ahmadiyyat are becoming westernized,
Sons of Murrabies are seen picking up Ahmadi girls right from the Jalsa area ,…phone numbers and SMS messages are exchanged ,..you never know what else they have in their pockets
If government of Pakistan do financial audit of Ahmadiyya Charity and make it public every year then half of Ahmadies will leave Jamaat Ahmadiyya in one day.
Abu Aayan
I assure that I am very much present in the Tajneed of Jamaat Ahmadiyya and I am very carefully watching and recording activities of fraudulant Murrabies and their Mirza bosses.
SILENCE IS GOLD,SPEECH IS SILVER.
silenced ahmaddy has neither respect for himself nor for ISLAM….
its really a disgrace for A ‘TRUE MUSLIM’ to write :
“Empty slogans of converting 2 billion pork eating christians, 1 billion cow urine drinking Hindus and 1 billion dog eating chinese to Ahmadiyyat are no longer deceiving today’s informed citizens.. ”
however, i want to know with what do you feed your imaan.
how can silenced ahmaddy extend his hands infront of Allah for prayers, as his same fingers have typed such DISRESPECFUL words against others.
a “TRUE MUSLIM” is a messenger of love and peace but not of hatred.
moreover, this also proves that he has no respect for christian, hindus and chinese as well. if all “true muslims” in the whole world would reason like him then it would limit ISLAM to only one category of ppl. this is NOT true islam cuz true Islam is peace and GOD is love.
its good to speak out one’s opinion as we believe in freedom of speech. we also know that gold is more precious than silver. but what silenced ahmaddy has written is not worth silver.
regarding the comments made against ahmady’s jalsas, WE ALL KNOW THAT there is nothing true about it. it really shows that u have never assisted any of our jalsa or you are only trying to defame the AHMADIYYA JAMAAT.
anti ahmaddies can write chapters against ahamddiyyat but its not going to be the end for the community.
we are all breathing the same air despite our differences so this shows that Allah loves us all the same way. cuz HE is our CREATOR.
PEACE
I know Farzana Begum that Truth is always painful, and people always go through denial and shock when their fantasies and delusions are smashed right in front of their eyes.
Ahmadi children are getting westernized and you have no idea what they do in their cars and park bushes.
One pious bearded secretary of our Jamaat left his propery in Rabwah and came to the Islamic environment of Western world.
His daughter went to Western Schools and he arranged marriage of that girl , and you know what happened ,..her boy friends kept on calling even after her marriage and poor Pakistani husband ran away with shame..
Tons of examples like this ,..we can hush things up and we can pile up things under the carpet ,..but wait when all this puss will come out at once.
At least Jamaat is getting Euros and dollars
Dear Farzana,
WHY dont you write something useful.
You always pick something from a comment and then keep beating the bush.
Reading comments from Qadis it seems that Your group is being led and sourced by JEWS
because PEACE is their slogan.
Can u tell me what happened to those 23 expelled students.
One thing if you do like Mushriks than you are amongst them.
sielenced u r realy doin JIHAAD in true sense…ALLAh bless you
Asslamo Alaikum
a_muslim,
From your comment “sielenced u r realy doin JIHAAD in true sense…ALLAh bless you”
We can get atleast one thing that you finally believe that the true JIHAD nowadays is not with the SWORD as ignorant Mullans think but rather with the Kalam (the pen).
An improvement Mashallah !!!.
PEACE
Waseem,
how u explain gazawats –
u r really with non believers who started ur group so that muslims donot rise against them.
by not doing jehad with sword u r defying acts of haz.Mohammed pbuh and sahaba ikram.
u guys are murtids and disblelievers
Raja,
First you asked a question and then you further went to declare me to be with the disbelievers and you did’nt stop there but rather declared me to be a murtad and a disbelier.
Sorry Raja, you are not my God to decide my faith. Nor is Pakistan or any state given the rite to decide my faith.
For your general information JEHAD is not to pick up sword and kill some one (like a terrorist). Its far more than what you can think of…. The highest Jehad, is Jehad with the help of the Quran. The sword cannot effect a change of heart, and, according to Islam, it is a sin to try and convert a people through fear or favor.
To learn about Jehad as practiced by Hazrat Muhammad (saww) and as believed by the Ahmadi Muslims read this link. http://www.alislam.org/jihad/ahmadisbelieve.html
PEACE
i believe in each n every form of Jihaad in the way of ALLAH(Subhan wa tallah)
“A Sincere Advice to Believers in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani”
Naturally, we do not expect that you blindly accept our claims. Instead, we humbly request that you obtain an original copy of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s books and verify our references for yourself. You will find them accurate and representative of the true beliefs of the Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat). Let us assure you that what you find appealing in Qadianism are the few teachings of Islam incorporated into that faith. Islam has always been a beautiful, complete, universal, and protected religion, in no need of a new prophet. We are certain that once you review all the proof earnestly, you will have no choice but to submit to Allah(SWT) and reject Qadianism. We certainly hope you are able to appreciate the truth.
Say: “O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, for Allah forgives all sins, for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Turn you to our Lord and submit to Him, before the doom comes on you, after which you shall not be helped.
And follow the best that has been revealed to you from your Lord, before the Penalty comes on you – of a sudden while ye perceive not!-
Lest the soul should say: ‘Ah! Woe is me!- In that I fell short of my duty towards Allah, and was but among those who mocked!’-
Or it should say: ‘If only Allah had guided me, I should certainly have been among the dutiful!’-
Or it should say when it sees the doom: ‘If only I had another chance, I should certainly be among the righteous!’ ”
(The Holy Quran, Az-Zumar, 39:53-58)
All Muslim scholars already have declared the followers of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani to be out of the fold of Islam. If you are a person who somehow believes in Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat), without having studied the writings of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, then your faith in the Qadiani “faith” is also questioned by the founder of your movement:
“Anyone who has not read my books at least three times, his faith is in doubt.”
(Seerat-ul-Mahdi, No. 407, Vol. 2, P. 78)
By blindly supporting the teachings of the Qadiani leadership, in any way and for any reason, you are indeed putting your soul at a great risk:
Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Anaam, 6:70)
We often get messages from very disturbed “Ahmadis” (Qadianis) who swear they do not hold all the views we have presented in these pages. We sympathize with them and believe their claim: they have been tricked into supporting Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat). The fact remains that the Qadiani (Ahmadi) doctrine includes all beliefs we have represented in these pages. These doctrines are included in the very writings of the founder of the movement and his successors.
Ignorance of these beliefs or rejection of some of them does not make Mirza Ghulam Qadiani’s movement and teachings any more acceptable. The fact remains that Mirza Ghulam and his associates did advance these beliefs and mandated them on his followers. Does trying to ignore or discount some of the writings amount to anything more than fooling oneself into following a man-made cult? Is it reasonable to keep a blind eye to all the evidence showing the true nature of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat)?
Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah’s curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-
Except those who repent and make amends and openly declare (the Truth): To them I turn; for I am Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Baqara, 2:159-160)
Both the Holy Quran and Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) have instructed the Muslims to use their best judgment to arrive at the truth. We are certain that once you review all the evidence, you too become certain that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and his followers are not following a divine revelation. When you do, we hope you remember these words of Allah(SWT) :
Allah accepts the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, “Now have I repented indeed;” nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:17-18)
Please bear witness that we are Muslims and we have relayed the true message of Allah(SWT) to you. We hope that you are not among the unfortunate few who have earned the wrath of Allah(SWT) and are incapable to see the truth; those who Allah(SWT) has condemned to the lowest level in hell; those who cannot see:
When it is said to them: “Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger”: Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.
How then, when they are seized by misfortune, because of the deeds which they hands have sent forth? Then they come to thee, swearing by Allah: “We meant no more than good-will and conciliation!”
Those men,-Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very souls.
(The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:61-63)
I pray that Allah(SWT) will guide all the victims of the Qadiani (Ahmadi) misinformation campaign back to the path of Islam.
Asslamo Alaikum
a_muslim, I do appreaciate your belief in all forms of Jihad unlike Ignorant Mullas of nowadays who just belief in Jihad with the sword and killing and bloodshed.
Ahmadi Muslims all over the world have a unique feature – The institution of Khalifat. We are all united on one hand, unlike all other 72 sects which do not have a Khilafa.
This year we are celebrating the 100 years of Khilafat-e-Ahmadiyya.
To listen to the Centenary Khilafat speech by our Khailfa at Excel Centre in London:
http://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/KC20080527-UR.wmv
We believe in the return of Hazrat Isa (as):
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_7_section_3.html
We believe in the finality of prophet hood:
http://www.alislam.org/books/truth/finality.html
For replies to all your allegations and misconceptions please visit: http://www.real-islam.org/ and http://www.alislam.org
PEACE
If government of Pakistan do honest audit of Ahmadiyya group of Charities and make it public every year then half of Ahmadies will leave Nizaam e Jamaat Ahmadiyya in one day.
Silenced,
All efforts were made by Zulfiqar Ali Butto and Zia-ul-Haq to investigate the audits of the Jamaat-Ahmadiyya. But they couldnt find even a paisa spent wrongy. They were left with no option other than blindly declare Ahmadi Muslims to be non-Muslims. The fate of both these so leaders the world knows. And the fate of Pakistan you are all seeing….
Our Jamaat News:
Today our Khalifa innagurated the largest Mosque of North America. To see the progress of Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya keep tuned on http://www.alislam.org and http://www.mta.tv
PEACE
Waseem
why u guys always avoid answering real issue.
I asked about if sword jehad is wrong how u explain Gazwats?
Secondaly 73 sects of muslims have been establised for last 1000 yrs where are u.
And how come u are muslims when ur iman is false defying prophets.
khalifa is selected and ghulam qadi declared /proclaimed himself even muslims around world declined him- as he is- was murtid, so is his followers.
The Government of Pakistan had tried her best to involve the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat into some case and hence defame Ahmadiyyat.
Zulfiqar Ali Butto and Zia ul Haq came to Rabwah (Ahmadiyya Headquartes in Pakistan) and went through all the audits of our Jamaati Chanda. They couldn’t find even a single paisa spent wrongly. They tried all means to put Ahmadis into some case but failed. They were left with no option but to blindly declare the Ahmadi Muslims to be non-Muslims. Allah became angry with them and both these leaders had a very tragic end. Such is the way Allah deals with the opponents of his holy people and clearly distinguishes the beliers from opponents. See Friday Sermons of our 4th Klalifa at: http://www.real-islam.org/audio/sermons.html
May Allah enable Pakistan to recognise the wrong they are doing by not letting the Ahmadis have their freedom of religious activities.
Raja, Ahmadis don’t answer you coz you tend to close your eyes and behave in an un Islamic way. In Islamic culture, a child is from a very early age taught not to use abusive or foul language. But its your habit not to restrain from that. When discussing on religion you need to be extra careful because what you actually aim at is impress the other of your beliefs and hence turn his heart towards your self. From all your posts you have not been showing such accommodating behaviour. You called me a Murtad and a disbeliever then how do you expect me to answer you. I don’t consider your way to be Islamic at all. So first lean Islamic morals then do Tableegh. Note: I am not mentioning what you said to others including a female in your posts above.
Our Jamaati News: Our present Khailfa innagurated the largest mosque in North America last Friday. Photo gallery: http://www.alislam.org/gallery/album527
PEACE
The Government of Pakistan had tried her best to involve the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat into some case and hence defame Ahmadiyyat.
Zulfiqar Ali Butto and Zia ul Haq came to Rabwah (Ahmadiyya Headquartes in Pakistan) and went through all the audits of our Jamaati Chanda. They couldn’t find even a single paisa spent wrongly. They tried all means to put Ahmadis into some case but failed. They were left with no option but to blindly declare the Ahmadi Muslims to be non-Muslims. Allah became angry with them and both these leaders had a very tragic end. Such is the way Allah deals with the opponents of his holy people and clearly distinguishes the beliers from opponents. See Friday Sermons of our 4th Klalifa at: http://www.real-islam.org/audio/sermons.html
May Allah enable Pakistan to recognise the wrong they are doing by not letting the Ahmadis have their freedom of religious activities.
Raja, Ahmadis don’t answer you coz you tend to close your eyes and behave in an un Islamic way. In Islamic culture, a child is from a very early age taught not to use abusive or foul language. But its your habit not to restrain from that. When discussing on religion you need to be extra careful because what you actually aim at is impress the other of your beliefs and hence turn his heart towards your self. From all your posts you have not been showing such accommodating behaviour. You called me a Murtad and a disbeliever then how do you expect me to answer you. I don’t consider your way to be Islamic at all. So first lean Islamic morals then do Tableegh. Note: I am not mentioning what you said to others including a female in your posts above.
Our Jamaati News: Our present Khalifa innagurated the largest mosque in North America last Friday. Photo gallery: http://www.alislam.org/gallery/album527
PEACE
There is no evidence that Bhutto or Zia visited Rabwah or did audit of Jamaati corruption and embezzelment in Charity chanda money.
Most of this corruption reached to its peak in the last fifteen years and after the death of Zia.
Jamaati funds were stolen in the name of interest free ” Qarz e hasna ” and invested in heavy industries like Fecto cement etc.
Small scale officers like Nazirs ,naib nazirs and senior murrabies , life time amirs also got crumbs and got gift monies and ” qarze hasnas ” to buy sky rocketing real estate around the world.
Huge Sholarships for favoured students, London and Europe tours , Trans Pakistan jamaati tours to far flung resorts and free boarding and lodging in Jamaati rest houses , extensive use of Air conditioners, extensive use of Air conditioned Vehicles for shikars and recreation, etc. etc…
House building interest free loans , ..etc. etc..
Bribery and gifts to bureaucrats of Pakistan , secret fundings to various waring mullahs and sects of muslims , secret funding to media people etc etc. are few of the examples.
This is just a tip of the ice berg.
Audit has to be done every year and it has to be made public,..but who will do audit ..?? will the thieves like Faisal Saleh Hayat or Pir Pagara will do audit of Europe loving Pirs of Pakistan..??
WASEEM!
well silenced ahmedi has replied you well.
well as u say i am a bad muslim or a bad man.
but u r good ………..than what kind of people u preach.
why dont u answer my questions or its all PHUKA fire.
U challanged that bhutto was killed because he was against u .
Dear I am only fear Allah and no one else.
may I know what u say about tauheed.