I seriously don’t know how to react, on one hand we here in Pakistan are fighting a battle against the illiterate Talibans who continue on their rampage of brutality releasing video after video of flogging, beheadings and even suicide bombings, but it shocks me to watch the ‘educated’ stoop exactly to the same level, now the question is who do you stop? Educate the uneducated or uneducate the educated
Sheikh Issa bin Zayed al Nahyan, brother of the UAE’s crown prince, Sheikh Mohammed al Nahyan, has been caught on camera by ABC News where a UAE policeman assists the Sheikh in tying the victim’s arms and legs, later holding him down as the Sheikh pours salt on the man’s wounds, subsequently the Sheikh shoots at the victim and then later drives over him with his Mercedes SUV.
ABC News: In a statement to ABC News, the UAE Ministry of the Interior said it had reviewed the tape and acknowledged the involvement of Sheikh Issa bin Zayed al Nahyan, brother of the country’s crown prince.
The Question that must be asked in light of the Talibans on rampage in the north, and such videos appearing from the land of shattered dreams – Do we Educate the uneducated or uneducate the educated
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78 responses to “ABC: Torture Tape implicates UAE Sheikh”
There was a reason why all Prophets were send to this land (Arab) alone!
This is so sick…i have read many true cases and books but actually seeing a real video (no reenaction)is just soo disturbing.
May Allah show no mercy to these so called Muslims all over the world
What…I am sorry but I don’t see any thing that may put Islam under embarrassment….this is a very common behavior of human and no one is beyond this tendency.
Is it something again within the contest of belief?
I guess not.
Hell with these Arabs.
This is all a western conspiracy to degrade islam. Quite obviously hollywood production no?
true by Dr Raza coz its not Islam its power which made sheikh did such an act and atleast they have responsibility that they accept their shiekh involvement not like us who even did not accept (@ last attorney general Mr Qyuam whose tape been released and he denied it. )
It is power got by using religion as a toll. In a society where people are answerable, such acts are brought before justice. Sheikh who is corrupt politico-religious dictator got away. That is why during times of Umar, Islamic empire was expanding, he was answerable, since religion became a tool to drive political goals, it shrank. Sheikh or any other politico-religious ruler in fact is harming the religion itself. He seeks shelter behind religious sentiment for his crimes. People who say religion has nothing to do with it, just imagine, if Sheikh did not had shelter of religion and power grabbed in name of it, he would have been getting harsh punishment.
Apologists, they declared Yazeed and his followers acts as their personal, but it bring down Islamic state and damaged Islam.
Dr.Raza needs to see a doctor, he is seriously sick.
Feel sorry for the poor Afghan. Most foreigners in the Gulf are at risk for similar treatment…
Arabi r blotch on ummah…they r starting all hates around the world by funding wahabis…
Masters of the taliban are not so much different from them as one can see…
@Taliban Apologist
I condignly squash your efforts to drag religion therefore to topple the image of Islam hence; making again a controversy which has infact no relation with legitimate picture of Islam.
Conditions that do not imply or comply with presentation never become its prerequisite as understanding.
This act as condition has no explainable theme that may put Islam in to controversy.
This is a typical human behavior and under no means religion may it be Islam, Christianity or bla and bla are held responsible for such acts.
This is a potential human behavior and logically factors that evolve under the theme are reflections of behavioral abnormality and no one is beyond this tendency; may it be a Muslim or Christian.
It is this potential tendency which is a global human problem and is universally accepted as unlawful behavior hence condemning in the form of punishment equivocally.
My dear we do not punish person we punish his behavior.
It is because of this fact that Islam itself prohibits and award penalty as punishment for such acts if at all; performed by Muslim under Islam.
Such rules of punishment are called jurisprudence and are applicable to faithful under Islam who undergo such behavioral exhibition.
Rules are made to counter such exhibition as potential tendency of behavior.
Promulgated laws to award punishment in variant situations it self explains that people under behavioral abnormality as attitude; may undergo such acts even if they are within cordon of religion may it be Muslim, atheist or a Christian.
It is this reason why religions award and reward punishment as law.
Islam would be responsible only if such acts could have been owned as religion.
But since there is an inaugural laid down law as punishment under the rule of this religion; for such acts; no body can adhere and tag it with controversy classifying it an Islamic attitude.
As far as this act of sheikh is concerned this is again under the criteria of egoistic attitude based on lust as power and wealth which are itself self explanatory acts and religion again can not be hold responsible since this reign as crown; may it be a Muslim king or an Indian have; prerogatives of their own as kings who may award death and desire as per their pattern of authority.
Belief has no physical impact of hold or herald.
It’s your faithfulness which prohibits you to withhold from extra religious activity.
Yes condition do imply if people under honor as crown humiliate laws as belief; under and in the name of Islam or religion therefore; to refurbish new law as rules and regulation; declaring their act as act of Islam hence dismantling picture as ethics and norms as culture; similarly like yazeed.
Let me clarify you for future reference religion, country, means, manners, body, soul and anything that may one think; can be a tool among human nature.
Such platforms as slogans is a definite play field for one; who considers it a game or a means as playfield, similarly like wealth, honor, designation, and reign.
Regards
ABC: Torture Tape implicates UAE Sheikh:
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He should be punished as per laws.
Comment by Barrister Ali K.Chishti on April 23, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
There was a reason why all Prophets were send to this land (Arab) alone!
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Dear Chishti Sahab,
I will differ with you on this because Quran says:
And for every nation there is a messenger. And when their messenger cometh (on the Day of Judgment) it will be judged between them fairly, and they will not be wronged. [YUNUS (JONAH) Chapter 10 – Verse 47]
Lo! We have sent thee with the Truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner; and there is not a nation but a warner hath passed among them. [FATIR (THE ANGELS, ORIGNATOR) Chapter 35 – Verse 24]
And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold. Do but travel in the land and see the nature of the consequence for the deniers! [AN-NAHL (THE BEE) Chapter 16 – Verse 36]
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Point Taken! My Bad! No Arguments on that part…
although there are only 4 arabi speaking prophets.however the majority of the prophets sent to the area, now known as GULF.
inspite of big numbers of prophets there are many communities who are still living in "stone ages" and there is clear evidance that no civilisation or guidance of any kind was ever reached to these communities. like skimos, tribes of northern america and many african tribes.
although there are only 4 arabi speaking prophets.however the majority of the prophets sent to the area, now known as GULF.[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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My Dear Jawwad Sahab,
In my humble opinion the only Arabic Speaking Prophet was Prophet Mohammad [Sallal Allah wa Aleh Wassalum] and on this conclusion i reached by going through this book By Dr. Shawqi Abu Khalil i.e Atlas of the Qur'an (Quran)An Authentic Collection of Information from Quran with Maps, Tables and Pictures.
http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Quran-Shawqi-Abu-Khal…
although there are only 4 arabi speaking prophets.however the majority of the prophets sent to the area, now known as GULF.[Dr Jawwad Khan]
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THE RESOLUTE PROPHETS (Ulu al-Azm)
http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/february0…
PROPHETS OF ARAB ORIGIN
http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/february0…
THE PROPHETS OF BANI ISRAEL (Children of Israel)
http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/february0…
the four arab prophets(pbut) are:
1) hazrat shaib aleh salam
2) hazrat hud aleh salam
3) hazrat saleh aleh salam
4) Nabi e Karim hazrat mohammed(saww)
according to hafiz ibn e kathir in qasas ul anbiyah and he quoted a hadith in which nabi kareem(saww) mentioned about 4 arab prophets.
although hazrat ismael aleh salam also speak arabic but he was not an arab.
according to hafiz ibn e kathir in qasas ul anbiyah and he quoted a hadith in which nabi kareem(saww) mentioned about 4 arab prophets. although hazrat ismael aleh salam also speak arabic but he was not an arab.
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Hafiz Ibn Kathir's Qasasul Anbiya's Reference Please.
SM Imran H Zaidi,
I don't think they are masters of Talibans. They are stooges just like Khumeni. Khumeni was in Iran and these bastards are in UAE.
Well, this is just one incident caught on tape
It only surfaced when his business relationship soured with that business man, who released the tape. There are thugs who are associated with 'elite' rulers all the time, be it UAE or Pakistan or any other country. The businessman only took revenge and one of their brutalities came to be known.
I bet similar things go in Pakistan, these days. The only thing is that the video is missing. I wish someone could come forward with the video tape of those lawyers burned alive by MQM. I wish someone could come forward with the video of those 5 women buried alive by those racist baluch bastards too.
SM Imran H Zaidi,
I don’t think they are masters of Talibans. They are stooges just like Khumeni. Khumeni was in Iran and these bastards are in UAE
zaki
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my dear; the uae government was one of those who followed their wahabi counterparts in recognizing the taliban alongside the pakistani and saudi arabian govt. "Partners in faith"; better; partners in crime…
Khumeini was a stooge? i cant help but laugh.
funny how you pro-wahabis discredit everyone except the bastard taliban. shame on you…
"racist baluch bastards " quoted by Affan
No surprise that these types of comments appear all the time on various blogs…. I don't even bother taking the discussion up with you
taliban belongs to hanafi/deo bandi school of thoughts.
calling them wahabi is nothing but a layman's rave.
saudi arab and UAE had a diplomatic ties with taliban govt not because of faith but because pakistan was behind the taliban.
saudi arab and UAE had a diplomatic ties with taliban govt not because of faith but because pakistan was behind the taliban.
jawad
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dr jawad to the rescue again.
assisted not because of faith? partners in crime then i suppose. saudi arabia and the uae recognized the taliban as they thought the taliban represented a danger to iranian regime; as the UAE has disputes with iran over the islands; taliban with the US created a strategic imbalance towards the UAE. gulf states are nothing but soldouts to the zionist regime. go to google and see how many airbases and hawk and patriot missiles they have set up all over the UAE. the biggest one being al dhafra airbase outside airbase. now they're selling the french some land to create airbases for them too. what a bunch of pricks.
layman's rave; haha
taliban are hanafi? really? they're spreading wahabiism all over the place. or are you too blind to see that? well maybe you are because you think they are spreading islam; yeah right…
"assisted not because of faith? partners in crime then i suppose"
i am not the supporter of the opperession of any kind but i also hate the third rate propaganda.
tell me who is better the one who beats some one and pour the salts on the wound or some one who throw a pregnant lady in front of ferocious dogs who tear her body apart,make her to deliver her baby in front of every one and then murdered along with her newborn baby. who is the worst?…didn't you ever heared any thing about pakistani fuedals?
power corrupts…it is a universal fact.you can not associate some groups of the people to the crimes just because they do not belong to your school of thought or because you are so afraid of them.
"gulf states are nothing but soldouts to the zionist regime"
what about pakistani govts?pervez musharraf, zardari and altaf hussain. aren't they american stooges?
the problem of pakistanis is that we live in the world of perceptions,assumptions and propaganda.
"The problem of pakistanis is that we live in the world of perceptions,assumptions and propaganda."
Wise words from a prime example of such Pakistanis.
hahahahahhahahaha.
i liked that.
These Saudi Mutawwas, UAE Sheikhs, Kuwaiti Sheikhs, and Qatari completely forget while mistreating the common labour [because of them being Non Arabs] that:
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. [AL-HUJRAAT (THE PRIVATE APARTMENTS, THE INNER APARTMENTS) Chapter 49 Verse 13]
Dignity of Labour and Labour Class in Islam
Ahadith of Muhammad (PBUH) :
Abu Hurairah reported from the Holy Prophet who said: Allah did not raise up any Prophet who did not graze goats. His companions asked: you too? ‘yes’ said he, I used to tend goats for the inhabitants of Makkah for some qirats. [Bukhari]
Ayesha reported that the Holy Prophet used to mend his shoes, sew his clothes and work in his household just as one of you works in his own house. She also reported that he was a man among men who used to patch his clothes, milk his goats and engage himself in work. [Tirmidhi]
Zubari-b-Awam reported that the Messenger of Allah said: That one of you takes his rope and then comes with a load of wood upon his back and sells it, and that thereby Allah guards his face, is better for him than that he should beg of men whether they give him or refuse him. [Bukhari]
Meqdam-b-Ma’de Yakrab reported that the Messenger of Allah said: Never has any one eaten a better food than what he has eaten out of the labour of his own hands; and David, the Prophet of Allah, used to eat out of the labour of his own hands. [Bukhari]
Utbah-b-Munzir reported. We were near the Messenger of Allah when he recited – ‘Twa, Sin, Mim’, till he reached the story of Moses. He said: verily Moses engaged himself as a labourer for nine or ten years on condition of keeping his private parts chaste and of food for his belly. [Musnad Ahmed Bin Hanbal and Ibn Majah]
Ayesha reported that the Holy Prophet said: The purest of what you eat come from your own earnings, and your children come from your own earnings. [Tirmidhi, Nas’ai and Ibn Majah]
Abu Zarr reported that the Messenger of Allah said; O Abu Zarr! There is no wisdom like efforts, no piety like self-denial and no goodness like good conduct. [Bukhari]
Refe-b-Khudaiz reported that it was questioned: O Messenger of Allah, which earning is purest? He said: The earning of a man with his own hand, and every honest transaction. [Musnad Ahmed Bin Hanbal]
Abdullah-b-Masud reported that the Messenger of Allah said: To search after lawful earning is compulsory after the compulsory things. [Sunnan Al Baihaqi]
The Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said: The people before went astray and were ruined because if a noble person committed theft, they used to leave him but if a weak person among them committed theft, they used to inflict the legal punishment on him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Mohammad, committed theft, I will cut off her hand. (Agreed upon Hadith).
Narrated Hazrat Aisha [May Allah be pleased with her]
Usama approached the Prophet on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft). THE PROPHET SAID, “The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet ) did that (i.e. stole), I WOULD CUT OFF HER HAND.” [Bukhari]
Racial Prejudice
Narrated Abu Malik al-Ash’ariy
“Four things are among my followers from the traditions of Jahiliyyah which will not leave: pride of lineage, slandering kinship, use of astrology for rain, and wailing” [Muslim] [similar to that is narrated from him by Ahmad, at-Tabaraani, al-Hakim, and al-Bayhaqi in his Sunan]
Narrated by Abu Hurayrah
“Indeed Allah has removed from you the blind loyalties of jahiliyyah and the pride for ancestry. Either be a pious believer or a miserable insolent. (All of) you are children of Adam, and Adam is from dust. Let some men cease to take pride in others, who are nothing but burning coal for the HellFire, it will be easier for Allah to handle them than a dung beetle driving his nose into filth” [Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]
Narrated Abu Dharr
Allah’s Messenger said to him, “You are not better than people with red or black skins unless you excel them in piety.” [Tirmidhi and Musnad Ahmed Bin Hanbal]
These Saudi Mutawwas, UAE Sheikhs, Kuwaiti Sheikhs, and Qatari completely forget while stopping/discouraging the marriage of Pakistani/Indian/Bengali Muslims that:
Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said:
“A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty or her religion; choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust! [Bukhari and Muslim]
Non Arab Son in Law:
Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) said: “If there comes to you one with whose religious commitment and character you are pleased, then marry your daughter to him; if you do not do so, it will be a cause of fitnah and widespread mischief on earth.”[Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]
Spiritual Mentor of Wahabis Ibn Taymiyyah says:
“Everything which is outside the call of Islaam and the Qur’aan, with regards to lineage, land, nationality, schools of thoughts and ways, then it is from the calls of jaahiliyyah [ignorance]. lndeed, even when the Muhaa jirs (those Companions who migrated from Makkah to Madeenah) and the Ansaars (those Companions who aided and supported those who migrated) argued, such that one of the Muhaajirs said:” O Muhaajirs! (implying; rally to my aid) ” And one of the Ansaar said: “O Ansaar!” Upon hearing this, the Prophet said: “Is it with the calls of Jaahiliyyah that you call, and l am still amongst you!” And he became very angry at that.” [Al-Bukhari 8/137] {Majmoo ul-Fataawaa3/456}
This is all a western conspiracy to degrade islam.
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Dear Sir,
Islam, and Muslims are two separate entities. If all the Muslims are brothers then why is it so that Muslims from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are treated like dirt by these Diaper Heads in their countries [Saudi Arabia is included] whereas these very same Asians get Nationality anywhere in the West after certain period of time.
I have been to Saudi Arabia and UAE and you will know instantly where you stand as soon as you reach immigration counter [no matter how pious Muslim you may be], if you are a Pakistani , Indian or Bengali Muslim, they way these Rascal Arbas treat Non Arab Muslim can only be called Naked Racism.
Open letter to Bush from an Arab girl/Open letter to Arab Sheikhs from a Pakistani Man – 3
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/open-let…
Open letter to Bush from an Arab girl/Open letter to Arab Sheikhs from a Pakistani Man – 4
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/open-let…
Open letter to Bush from an Arab girl/Open letter to Arab Sheikhs from a Pakistani Man – 5
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/open-let…
This is all a western conspiracy to degrade islam. [Mazher Fakher]
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No Mazhar Sahab,
Answer is as under, dot pay attention to the subject just read the text and watch the pics:
Allama Niyaz Fatehpuri and his Faith – 27
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/03/allama-n…
Comment by Dr RazaHaider on April 24, 2009 @ 12:16 am
to refurbish new law as rules and regulation; declaring their act as act of Islam hence dismantling picture as ethics and norms as culture; similarly like yazeed.
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Dear Raza Sahab,
Your views regarding Yazeed [May Allah have mercy on his soul] are quite identical with Mawdudi. Since Yazeed is mentioned by you and your conclusion above is basically a result of contnuous bombardment of alleged Islamic History therefore I will be quoting History because you tried to condemn Yazeed [May Allah have mercy on his soul] through History.
Bughz jis seenay men ho Siddique ka Farooq ka
Hai yahi behtar woh seena umr bhar pit-ta rahay
Raza Sahab has relied upon "Duobtful Islamic History" to condemn Yazeed but as per the same so-called Eminent Islamic Historian Tabari narrates that Muhammad Bin Abu Bakar [s/o Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq – May Allah be pleased with him and was adopted by Hazrat Ali May Allah be pleased with him and had married with the widow of Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq – May Allah be pleased with him] was amongst the Murderer of Hazrat Uthman [May Allah be pleased with] but I dont believe this narration because it is an indirect slander upon Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] but since criteria by Raza Sahab is History through which he condemned Yazeed [Mawdudi and other JI Leaders also did that bu quoting lies concocted in Islamic History] and when Criteria is History then History also tells us:
Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar – May Allah be pleased with him [Cousin of Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali, Bibi Zainab's Husband and Yazeed's Father in Law, Abdullah bin Jafer's daughter Umme Mohammad was Yazeed's wife] Abdullah Bin Jafar Tayyar -May Allah be pleased with him had named his son on Hazrat Muawiya i.e. Muwaiyah Bin Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar. A son of Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] was named Yazeed. Abdullah Bin Jafer's grandson's name was Yazeed. [Shia References – Tanqeeh Al Maqal, Muntahi Al Maqal – these Shia books carry names of those narrators who were named Muwiyah [41 persons], and Yazeed [124 persons].
If Muwaiyah/Yazeed/and Aal-e-Marwan were so a bad name then why Ahl Al Bayt give their daughters in Banu Ummayya and in Aal-e-Marwan for marriage and that too after the Tragedies of Jamal, Siffin and Karbala
Shia and Sunni Sources on Hasnain's acceptance of Muawiyah's Khilafa:
[Akhbar Al Tawal Al Denwary page 234, Tabari Page 62 Volume 6, Al Imama Wal Siyasa page 173, Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 4 published in Najaf]
Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Excellent Treatment with Hasan and Hussain [May Allah be pleased with both of them]:
Hussain used to go with Hasan to meet Muawiyah in Damascus and at one stance Muawiyah gifted 2 Million Dirham to both and at another ocassion he gifted Hazrat Hasan 4 Million Dirham [Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir Page 150 and Page 127 Volume 8] This narration is confirmed by Ibn Abi Al Hadid (Mutazilli Shia) in his translation of Nehjul Balagha page 823 Volume 2] and this further confirmed by Extremist Shias like Abu Mikhnaf in his book Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 7].
Note: Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf is a book by Abu Mikhnaf specially written on Karbala Tragedy and from Tabari to present day Speakers of Shia Majlis, this book is quoted for narrating the Tragedy of Karbala.
Aal-e-Ali's relationship with Bannu Ummayya and Aal Marwan [After the Tragedy of Karbala]
Relationship of Hazrat Ali Ibn Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] with Banu Ummayya [Ummayyads] and that relationship through marriages after the Incidents of Siffin and Karbala.
1 – Three daughters of Hazrat Ali Ibn Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] were married to Muawiyah bin Marwan, Abdulmalik Bin Marwan, and Amir Kuraiz Ummavi respectively. [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm and Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir]
2 – Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]'s son Hazrat Hasan [May Allah be pleased with him]'s grand-daughters married in Banu Ummayya:
3 – Syeda Nafeesa Bint Zaid Bin Hassan w/o Alwalid Bin Abdul Malik Bin Marwan [Shia Source Umdatul Talib Fi Ansab Aal Abi Talib published in India]
4 – Zainab Bint Hassan Masanna w/o Alwalid Bin Abdul Malik Bin Marwan [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]
5 – Umme Qasim Bint Hassan Masanna w/o Marwan bin Aban [Grandson of Hazrat Usman (May Allah be pleased with him)] and after he died she married to Ali Bin Hussain aka Zainul Abideen [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]
6 – Hammada Bin Hassan Massanna w/o Ismail Bin Abdul Malik Bin Abdul Haris Bin Al Hakam [nephew of Marwan Bin Al Hakam (May Allah have mercy on his soul) [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]
7 – Khadija Bint Hussain Bin Hassan Bin Ali w/o Ismail Bin Abdul Malik Bin Abdul Haris Bin Al Hakam (that was before the marriage of Hammada with him)[Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]
8 – Most of the daughters [Non Fatimid] of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] married in Banu Jafar, Banu Aqeel, Banu Abbas and Banu Marwan [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]
9 – Syeda Sakina d/o Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] after the death of Muasab Bin Zubair, married Marwan Bin Al Hakam's grandson Al Asbagh Bin Abdul Aziz Bin Marwan, his econd wife was Umme Yazeed d/o Yazid Bin Muawiyah [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm, Al Muarif Ibn
Qutaiba, Kitab Nasbul Quraish]
10 – Rabia bint Syeda Sakin Bint Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] w/o Abbas Bin Al Walid Bin Abdul Malik Bin Marwan [Kitab Nasb Quraish]
You should get an Arabic Nehjul Balagaha [attributed to Hazrat Ali by Sharif Razi – A Shia Scholar] and read as to how Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] declared that him and Muwiyah have differences but Muawiyah is a Muslim like us:
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يقول الإمام علي عليه السلام : (( وكان بدء أمرنا أن إلتقينا والقوم من أهل الشام، والظاهر أن ربنا واحـد ونبينا واحـد، ودعوتنا في الإسلام واحدة ، ولا نستزيدهم في الإيمان بالله والتصديق برسوله ولا يستزيدوننا، الأمر واحد إلا ما اختلفنا فيه من دم عثمان ونحن منه براء ))
نهج البلاغة جـ3 ص 648
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@Mughal
I am unable to understand your level of brief and its extension as drag.
I would definitely not be the first to flare this insane discussion of who is who and who is right.
What I can grab as your reservation from your floated ideas; is a theme reflecting your immense love for yazeed Ibne maavia.
Another impact that is glaring in your so called commandments is concepts that if abu suffian is in relation with prophesy he should be awarded with same respect and grace as yazeed is being granted by you.
What if I don’t believe your version as acceptable?
Don’t you think it would start a controversy where things may route direction in “fitna”.
Why don’t you change your name as Yazeed mughal?
What is the compulsion that is holding and halting you to garnish your personality with this unique and condemnable name among Muslims and humanity?
I am really unable to get a single idea of your version and expression that may be regarded as worthy and intellectual except a rift indicating your intense hatred for ALEY Rasool (A.S) and of course Islam and Muslims.
You have out rightly accepted and legalized killing in Karbala as legitimate hence floating an idea that a person who abrogates Islamic law, Islamic unanimous figures as insignia and kill even those who are being in honor of legitimate relation with prophesy can be murdered under YOUR Islam and any one daring such acts would and shall be awarded with the concept of (May Allah have mercy on his soul/………Naozbillah).
I am astonish on your god who awards disaster on humans as fate if they kill a camel but a person who is under “Ayat Tatheer” (QORAN) and your leaders in your heaven is beyond the concept of human even.
I am again astonished that these versions as truth are compulsion only for those who are within the belief of Islam as Sunnah and kitab as shariah but what if some one is a non Muslim like me, who lives for Hussein and would die for Hussein and would not ask for such a place, even if its heaven, where my Hussein is not there.
So keep up the good things with you and within your version and let me bear the pain of Hussein the way I like.
I would not like to litigate this platform of international repo as a place where Islam is drag like hell with 150 species under one head litigating each other in theory but would swiftly move away by saying unanimous slogan of our brothers in Ahl-e- Sunnat as well that
Qatal-e-hussain asl mein marge-e-yazeed hai
Islam Zinda hota hai her karbala k baad
Yazeediat murdabaad
saying unanimous slogan of our brothers in Ahl-e- Sunnat as well that: Qatal-e-hussain asl mein marge-e-yazeed hai
Islam Zinda hota hai her karbala k baad
Yazeediat murdabaad [Dr Raza Haider]
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Dear Raza Sahab,
With utmost humility nad respect
Shias are my brother too but the Maniacal Rant by Muhammad Ali Jauhar which is quoted by your goodself that:
Qatal-e-hussain asl mein marge-e-yazeed hai
Islam Zinda hota hai her karbala k baad [Muhammad Ali Jauhar]
the poetic verse above is the negation of the Quranic Verse below:
الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 Verse 3]
Dear Sir,
Islam was alive during the Tragedy of Karbala and Islam didn't need incidents to keep itself alive. Muhammad Ali Jauhar was no doubt a Great Political Leader and to exploit Shia Community in undivided India to become part of his Khilafat Movement concocted the vague Poetic Verse mentioned by your goodself.
Regards
Raza Sahab has relied upon “Duobtful Islamic History” to condemn Yazeed
Amir Mughal
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Oh; now you regard the whole incident of karbala as doubtful; bravo… No wonder talibani yazeedis are spreading so fast due to your talent.
"Islam was alive during the Tragedy of Karbala and Islam didn’t need incidents to keep itself alive"
Islam is not the religion for angels.islam is the religion for sinners like us. people forget the teachings and people deviate all the time.its inherent human nature.
that is the reason ALLAH(swt) sent so many prophets,auliya, shohada and mujadideen.
there is much more emphasis on preaching and reminding each other in islam.preaching and reminding are the backbone of the practices of islam.
islam depends on people with taqwa and character.
the unprecedented sacrifice of hazrat e hussain (ra) reminded some lessons which the muslim society started forgeting at that time.
and please show some respect for the people like Mohd ali johar. i assure you he was not a talibani fighter.
the unprecedented sacrifice of hazrat e hussain (ra) reminded some lessons which the muslim society started forgeting at that time. and please show some respect for the people like Mohd ali johar. i assure you he was not a talibani fighter. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Just ponder over the wording of the poetic verse by Mohammad Ali Jauhar and you may find that it is an insult to Islam, yes I know that Jauhar wasn't Talibani Figther but a Barelvi and from his house during Moharram Tazia and Alam procession used to begin and by the way one of his brother Gauhar was Quadiyani.
No doubt Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him and with all those who were martyred in Karbala]'s Martyrdom was a tragic event of History and that is it and has nothing to do with Islami Shariah which was completed at Hujjatul Wida [Final Hajj of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH].
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Oh; now you regard the whole incident of karbala as doubtful; bravo… [SM Imran H Zaidi]
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Dear Imran Sahab,
No Sir, Karbala did happen but not like it is recited every year in Moharram all over the world and that too through a source of single book Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf written by Lut Bin Yahya Azdi Al Ghamidi aka Abi Mikhanf and that too after 150 years and that Narrator is quoted by every Historian for theeven of Karbala and Abi Mikhnad was a known Liar [and if Dr Jawwad Sahab is paying attention, he was a Rafizi, Please Dr Jawwad, dont let me repeat your comment on Rafizis and by the way if you would go through different Islamic History book then you may find that Tabari quoted from Abi Mikhnaf and everyone else quoted from Tabari.
Quran cannot be tempered and Hadith can be verified through matching it with Quran and then Chains of Narrations. Regarding Biography of Mohammad [PBUH], how can one be so sure that LIFE SKETCH of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] is not tempered because it's not Quran. Historian collect everything and one should be very careful when Historian discuss Prophets [PBUT], their Companions [May Allah be pleased with them]
How Islamic History was compiled:
Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari: “I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all errors or blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.” Tabari's Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook (The History of Nations and Kings) popularly called "Mother of All Histories" is the first ever "History of Islam" written by 'Imam' Tabari (839-923 CE) at the junction of the third and fourth century AH. He died in 310 AH. [Preface of Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook (The History of Nations and Kings) by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari.]
Ahmed Bin Hanbal says:Three kinds of books are absolutely unfounded, Maghazi, Malahem and Tafseer.” (The exalted Prophet's Battles, Dreams and Prophecies, and Expositions of the Qur’an). [Ahmed Bin Hanbal as quoted by ibn Rajab al-Hanbali in Dhayl Tabaqat al-Hanabila (Appendage to the Encyclopedia of Hanbali Scholars)]
Hafiz Ibn Kathir says: Had Ibn Jareer Tabari not recorded the strange reports, I would never have done so. [Tafseer Ibn Katheer (Commentary on Quran) and Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya (History – From Start to End)]
Ibn Khaldun says: The Muslim historians have made a mockery of history by filling it with fabrications and senseless lies. (Muqaddama Ibn Khaldun)
Shah Abdul Aziz Dehelvi says: Six pages of Ibn Khaldoon's History have been deliberately removed since the earliest times. These pages had questioned the most critical juncture of Islamic history i.e. the Emirate of Yazeed and the fiction of Karbala. [Even the modern editions admit in the side-notes that those pages have been mysteriously missing from the ancient original book. [Tohfa Ithna Ashri by Shah Abdul Aziz Dehelvi]
Shah Waliullah Dehelvi says: Imam Jalaluddin Sayyuti's Tarikh-ul-Khulafa is the prime example of how our Historians, Muhaddithin and Mufassirin, each has played like Haatib-il-Lail (One who collects firewood at night not knowing which piece is good and which one is bad). [Izalatul Khifa A'N Khilaafatil Khulafaa by Shah Waliullah]
Example is as under:
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Muhammad ibn Ishaq ibn Yasar [Birth:85 AH 704 CE Death: 150-153 AH (767)]
The earliest is Ibn Ishaq's Sira, his biography of the Prophet. It is also the longest and the most widely quoted. Later historians draw, and in most cases depend on him. [Uyun al-athar, I, 7, Ibn Sayyid al-Nas (d. 734A.H.)
A contemporary of Ibn Ishaq, Imam Malik [d 179 AH], the jurist, denounces Ibn Ishaq outright as "a liar" and "an impostor" just for transmitting such stories. [`Uyun al-athar, I and ibid, I, 16].
It must be remembered that historians and authors of the Prophet's biography did not apply the strict rules of the "traditionists". They did not always provide a chain of authorities, each of whom had to be verified as trustworthy and as certain or likely to have transmitted his report directly from his informant, and so on. The attitude towards biographical details and towards the early events of Islam was far less meticulous than their attitude to the Prophet's traditions, or indeed to any material relevant to jurisprudence. The attitude of scholars and historians to Ibn lshaq's version of the stories has been either one of complacency, sometimes mingled with uncertainty, or at least in two important cases, one of condemnatlon and outright rejection.
The complacent attitude is one of accepting the biography of the Prophet and the stories of the campaigns at they were received by later generations without the meticulous care or the application of the critical criteria which collectors of traditions or jurists employed. It was not necessary to check the veracity of authorities when transmitting or recording parts of the story of the Prophet's life.[Ibn Sayyid al-Nas (op. cit., I, 121)]
It was not essential to provide a continuous chain of authorities or even to give authorities at all. That is obvious in Ibn Ishaq's Sira. On the other hand reliable authority and a continuous line of transmission were essential when law was the issue. That is why Malik the jurist had no regard for Ibn Ishaq. [Kadhdhab and Dajjal min al-dajajila – Liar and Liar amongst Liars]
His contemporary, the early traditionist and jurist Malik, called him unequivocally "a liar" and "an impostor"[Kadhdhab and Dajjal min al-dajajila – Liar and Liar amongst Liars] "who transmits his stories from the Jews".[`Uyun al-athar, I, 16-7 by Ibn Sayyid al-Nas].
In a later age Ibn Hajar Asqalani further explained the point of Malik's condemnation of Ibn Ishaq. Malik, he said,[Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, IX, 45. See also `Uyun al-athar, I, 16-7] condemned Ibn Ishaq because he made a point of seeking out descendants of the Jews of Medina in order to obtain from them accounts of the Prophet's campaigns as handed down by their forefathers. [ibid.]
Also read this for spiritual uplift:
Ah, that FADAK! Ah, the abortion of Muhsin! Ah, that fire for the house! Ah, that Khilafat! Ah, the Khilafat bila fasl! Ah, that fabricated hadith of MUN KUNTU …! Ah, HASBUNA KITABULLAH! Ah, Mu'aawiya (R.A.)! Ah, Hazrat Yazeed (Rahmatullah alaih)! Ah, Umro (R.A.)! Ah, Shimr! Ah, Ibn Ziyad! Ah, JAMAL! Ah, SAFFAIN! Ah, NEHRWAN! Ah, that KARBALA! (All of which never happened).
But keep mourning – that is the fate of the Rawafidh by birth. MATAM: Hussain, Hussain, Ya Hussain! Dhab, Dhab, Dhaba Dhab! More power to the ignorant slaves of forged history. Oh yes, that nothingness, MAHDI: Happy waiting! Your Imams befooled you. How many more centuries will you wait for nothingness?
Oh; now you regard the whole incident of karbala as doubtful; bravo… [SM Imran H Zaidi]
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Dear Zaidi Sahab,
If you believe in History of Karbala then also believe in the following text because it is also written/recorded in History of Islam:
1 – Hazrat Ali's Family.
2 – Hazrat Ali Relationship with Hazrat Omar.
3 – Hazrat Usman's Relation with Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Hazrat Ali [Shia Sources]
Now Read…….. ……..
Wives and Children of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him:
1 – Hazrat Fatimah Bint Mohammad [May Allah be pleased with her]:
Hassan, Hussain, Zainab ul Kubra and Umme Kulthum [she became wife of Hazrat Omar (May Allah be pleased with him and all those who were mentioned earlier.
2 – Umm-ul-Bunian Bint Haram Bin Kalabia [she was related with Shimar Bin Zil Joshan (the alleged Criminal of Karabala){Ref: Jumhartul Ansab by Ibn Hazm}] who was the daughter of Hazam b. Khalid. Hadrat Ali had five sons from her, namely: Abdullah, Jafar, Abbas, Othman, and Umar. All of them were martyred in the battle of Karbala along with Hadhrat Hussain [May Allah be pleased with him].
3 – Laila Bin Masood Bint Khalid Nehshaliya Tameema who was the daughter of Masud. She was the mother of two sons, namely Ubaidullah and Abu Bakr. Both of them were martyred in Karbala.
4 – Asma who was the daughter of Umais. She was in the first instance married to Hadrat Jafar, an elder brother of Hadrat Ali. On the death of Hadrat Jafar, Hadrat Abu Bakr married her. After the death of Hadrat Abu Bakr she married Hadrat Ali. She had to sons from Hadrat Ali, namely: Yahya and Muhammad Al Asghar who martyred in Karbala.
5 – Umama [her mother Zainab was the daughter of Prophet Mohammad – PBUH]d/o of Abi Al Aa's. Her son from Hadrat Ali bore the name of Muhammad Awsat.
6 – Khaula Bint Jafariya was the daughter of Jafar Hanfiyah. She was the mother of the son known as Muhammad b. Hanfiyah aka Mohammad Al Akbar.
7 – Sehba Bint Rabia Taghlibiya who was the daughter of Rabiah. She gave birth to a son Umar, in the daughter Ruqiya.
8 – Umm Saeed Bint Urwa Bin Masood Thaqeefa who was a daughter of Urwa. She bore Hadrat Ali three daughters, namely: Umm-ul-Hasan, Ramlatul Kubra and Rumia.
9 – Mukhbita Bint Amral Qais Bin Adi Al Kalbiya Muhyat was a daughter of the famous Arab poet Imra-ul-Qais. She gave birth to a daughter who expired in infancy.
Hadrat Ali married nine wives in all including Hadrat Fatima. The number of wives at a time however did not exceed four. He had a few slave girls of whom Humia and Umm Shuaib bore him 12 daughters, Nafisa, Zainab, Ruqiya, Umm-ul-Karaam, Humaira, Umm Salma, Sughra, Khadija, Umm Hani, Umm Kulthum Jamana and Maimuna. Hadrat Ali was, in all, the father of 15 sons and 18 daughters. [total = 33 children]
Those who were martyred at Karbala are as under:
Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] son's:
Jafar, Abdullah and Usman [sons of Ummul Banin Bin Hazam], Mohammad [son of Ummul Wald], Abu Bakar [son of Laila Bin Masood Armiya], Abbas.
Sons of Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]:
Ali [Laila Bint Marra bin Arwa Thaqafi (Saqaf: tribe of Shia Hero Mukhtar and Sunni Nasibi Hajjaj Bin Yousuf), Abdullah (son of Rubab Bin Umral Qais Kalbi)
Sons of Hazrat Hasan bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]:
Abu Bakar and Qasim.
Sons of Abdullah Bin Jafar Bin Abi Talib:
Aun and Mohammad.
Aqeel Bin Abi Talib:
Jafar, Abdul Rahman, and Abdullah
Sources: [Al Milal Wan Nahal by Ibn Hazm, Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm, History by Ibn-e-Khaldun and Ansab Aal-e-Abi Talib]
1 – Syeda Umme Kulsoom bint Ali Bin Abi Talib [May Allah have mercy on her soul] was the wife of Hazrat Omar [May Allah be pleased with him]
Sources:
{Khulaini reports through Muawiyah Bin Ammar, Abu Jafer Tusi in Tehzeeb Al Ahkam, Tusi reports through Hazrat Baqar, Al Kafi has whole chapter on this marriage "Bab Fi Tarweej Umme Kulsoom", Faroogh Kafi, Ibnen Shehr Ashob Mazandarani, Zainuddin Amili, Manaqib-e-Aal- e-Abi Talib}
As per Shia Books:
A Rafizi Abul Qasim Ali Bin Ahmed Bin Musa [Death: 352 Hijri] in his book Al Istighasa Fi Bidah-es-Salasa had denied that Ruqqaya [May Allah be pleased with her], Umme Kulthum [May Allah be pleased with her], and Zainab [May Allah be pleased with her] were also the daugthers of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] besides Hazrat Fatimah [May Allah be pleased with her] from Hazrat Khadija [May Allah be pleased with her] whereas Ruqqayya, Zainab and Umme Kulthum were the daughters of Mohammad [PBUH] from Khadija and all three were borne before the Prophethood [Bu'saat]. Abul Qasim above meant to say that these three daughters were borne to Khadija from her earlier husband. Abul Qasim's claims are rejected by books like Nasb Al Quraish, Kashf Al Ghamma Fi Maarifatul Aimma, Umdatut Talib Fi Ansab Aal Abi Talib.
The claim of the above Rafizi was thoroughly rejected by a noted Shia Scholar Abdullah Mamqani in his book Tanqeeh ul Maqal Fi Ahwal Ir Rijal and declared that Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] had four daughters [May Allah be pleased with all of them]. Rafizi Abul Qasim was declared apostate by several noted Shia Scholars like Sheikh Abbas Al Qumi in his Tatamma Al Muntaha, and by another Shia Scholar Allama Aaqa Meer in his Naqd ur Rijal and by another Giant Shia Scholar Mohammad Bin Yaquob Al Kulaini in his Usool ul Kafi's Chapter Bab-e-Tareekh also accepted that Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] has four daughters from Khadija [May All be pleased with her].
Following Shia Books accpeted that Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] had four daughters from Khadjia [[May All be pleased with her].
1- Kitaabul Khisal by Sheikh Sadooq.
2- Tazkaratul Masoomeen.
3- Tuhfatul Awam.
4- Manaqib Ibn-e-Sheher Ashoob.
5- Hayatul Quloob.
6- Jilaul Uyoon.
7- Tehzeeb Al Ahkam.
8- Al Istabsar Mara'atul Uqool.
9- Firoo Kafi.
10- Saafi Sharah Kafi.
11- Kashful Ghama.
12- Qarbul Asnad.
13- Majalisul Momineen.
14- Ailaam ul Wari.
15- Anwaar-e-Naimania.
16- Rijal-e-Kashi.
17- Amali Sheikh Toosi.
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"yes I know that Jauhar wasn’t Talibani Figther but a Barelvi and from his house during Moharram Tazia and Alam procession used to begin and by the way one of his brother Gauhar was Quadiyani"
always after dignitaries…….
always want to malign and vilify the heroes.
also i am not aware of any of his brother named gohar.
he had 2 brother moulana shokat and molana zulfiqar.
????????
who are you?
by the way i ignored the rest of the post because i am 100% sure that it would be same old crap you use for your notorious monkey business.
this guy is a sadistic psycho, those guys exist in every society wither it was a Muslim, Christian, secular society, it has nothing to do with race, religion, sex, social class, it is just something sick, a good example of this is Hitler who killed 6 million Jews and tortured millions of others and I don’t thank Hitler was Arabic nor muslim
also i am not aware of any of his brother named gohar.
he had 2 brother moulana shokat and molana zulfiqar.
???????? who are you? by the way i ignored the rest of the post because i am 100% sure that it would be same old crap you use for your notorious monkey business. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
You have the freedom of your opinion and you can check about Muhammad Ali Jauhar's Quadiyani Brother by just going to the Library and read some history of Ahmedis in Afghanistan and Rampur. The part of the post you ignored could also be verified by just reading the references I quoted.
Muhammad Ali, Shaukhat Ali, and Gauhar Ali [the Ahmedi]
1 – Reference: Pakistan: Behind the Ideological Mask by Khaled Ahmed published by Vanguard press Lahore.
Dear Amir Mughal!
why don't you read the books written by normal healthy individual?
to be a different is good thing, it attracts the people but there are better ways to attract people, i assure you that defaming,maligning and vilifying the great heroes is not one of those.
Dear Amir Mughal! why don’t you read the books written by normal healthy individual? to be a different is good thing, it attracts the people but there are better ways to attract people, i assure you that defaming,maligning and vilifying the great heroes is not one of those.[Dr Jawwad Sahab]
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Dr Sahab,
I was just trying to show history also recorded the facts that I have mentioned above and if one is relying on History regarding Karbala to pass judgement against several Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] who were alive during the Karbala incident and didn't take any part in it.
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Now read you comment in the light of above fact that there were other Companions besides Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]
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Comment by dr.jawwad khan on April 27, 2009 @ 5:33 pm
Islam is not the religion for angels. islam is the religion for sinners like us. people forget the teachings and people deviate all the time.its inherent human nature.
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Your comment above and poetic verse of Mohammad Ali Jauhar is basically raising finger on those Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] who were alive during the Tragedy of Karbala and didn't take part in it. If we go by your argument and Mohammad Ali Jauhar's Wild Rant that
Qatal-e-hussain asl mein marge-e-yazeed hai
Islam Zinda hota hai her karbala k baad
then how would you define the Character of those Companions of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] who didn't participate in Karbala Controversy. This verse above is itself a blasphemy and what about the Martyrdom of Hazrat Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] Hazrat Uthman [May Allah be pleased with him] and Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]??? These Comapions were far geater in stauture and status than Hazrat Huseein Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]
I wonder was Islam alive or dead during and after the martyrdom of Omar, Uthman and Ali [May Allah be pleased with all of them]
Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Point is this that I am not differing just to gain cheap popularity which will diminish as soon as I am dead but the point is right or wrong.
Dear Amir Mughal! why don’t you read the books written by normal healthy individual? [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Please suggest the name of such books.
Dear Amir Mughal! why don’t you read the books written by normal healthy individual? [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Dr Sahab,
Please go through your own statement above before advising me about the books. I have also quoted from Quran and Hadith. I wonder how would you define the Health of those individuals who authored Quran and Hadith.
YOUR COMMENTS.
“Islam was alive during the Tragedy of Karbala and Islam didn’t need incidents to keep itself alive”
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MY RESPONSE
Islam is not the religion for angels.islam is the religion for sinners like us. people forget the teachings and people deviate all the time.its inherent human nature.
that is the reason ALLAH(swt) sent so many prophets,auliya, shohada and mujadideen.
there is much more emphasis on preaching and reminding each other in islam.preaching and reminding are the backbone of the practices of islam.
islam depends on people with taqwa and character.
the unprecedented sacrifice of hazrat e hussain (ra) reminded some lessons which the muslim society started forgeting at that time.
1) My response was solely about the misconception about islam and you applied against the sahib kitam(ra). I beg the mercy of Almighty from saying anything against Sahaba kiram rizwan ullahe taala ajmaeen.
2) the time when this tragedy took place was the time of tabaeen and taba tabaeen.there are very few “SAHABA(RA)” alive at that time. And more than 50 yrs has been past since the “rehlat” of Nabi e Karim(saww).
3) karbala massacre was not the battle.hazrat hussain(ra) didn't go for a war. he(ra) was invited by the people of koofa who want to get rid of yazeed.
hazrat hussain(ra) was not expecting any kind of battle with the soldiers of yazid that is why the whole family was with him(ra).so if it was not a war then how one can take a side in it.BTW people of madina advised him not to go there.
4) I want to quote a hadith with out any comment:
“Narrated 'Ikrima: Ibn 'Abbas said to me and to his son 'Ali, "Go to Abu Sa'id and listen to what he narrates." So we went and found him in a garden looking after it. He picked up his Rida', wore it and sat down and started narrating till the topic of the construction of the mosque reached. He said, "We were carrying one adobe at a time while 'Ammar was carrying two. The Prophet saw him and started removing the dust from his body and said, "May Allah be Merciful to 'Ammar. He will be inviting them (i.e. his murderers, the rebellious group) to Paradise and they will invite him to Hell-fire." 'Ammar said, "I seek refuge with Allah from affliction."
(sahih bukhari : book-8 / hadith no:438)
and i will not take part further in this discussion because my knowledge is extremely limited and this issue is extremely sensitive.
and i will not take part further in this discussion because my knowledge is extremely limited and this issue is extremely sensitive. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Khan,
No Sir, you must’ve remembered as per your own claim, your own comment:
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Comment by dr.jawwadkhan on April 3, 2009 @ 11:49 pm
@amir mughal!
https://teeth.com.pk/blog/2009/04/03/women-being-p…
please always read the post before boasting yourself as all knower.i have already read the sahee bukharee thrice along with all saahe sitta.first time i read the sahee bukharee when i was 13 years old just for curosity.
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2) the time when this tragedy took place was the time of tabaeen and taba tabaeen.there are very few “SAHABA(RA)” alive at that time. And more than 50 yrs has been past since the “rehlat” of Nabi e Karim(saww).
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
There were more than 300 Sahaba alive at the time of Karbala
Prominent among them were Hazrat Abdullah Bin Omar [May Allah be pleased with him], Ans Bin Malik [May Allah be pleased with him], Abdullah Ibn Abbas [May Allah be please with him], Abdullah Bin Zubair (May Allah be pleased with him), Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar [May Allah be pleased with him and he was Syeda Bibi Zainab (May Allah have mercy on her soul)'s husband i.e. Brother in Law of Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali (May Allah be pleased with him) and Abdullah bin Jafer didn't participate in Karbala.
For Reference [The same History Books from where people quote "Incident of Karbala"]
Reference:
1 – Tabari by Jareer Tabari.
2 – Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Hafiz Ibn Kathir [he is Ibn-e-Kathir of Tafsir Ibn Kathir]
3 – Usd al-ghaba by Izzuddin Ibn Athir [Bio Data of 8,000 Companions (May Allah be pleased with everyone of them]
4 – الاستعياب في معرفة الاصحاب by Ibn Abd Al Barr [The Comprehensive Compilation of the Names of the Prophet's Companions]
5 – Tabaqat-e-Ibn Saad by Ibn Saad
6 – History by Ibn Khaldun
7 – Al-'Awasim min al-Qawasim (العواصم القواصم) by Abu Bakr Ibn al-Arabi [not to be confused with the Sufi]
3) karbala massacre was not the battle.hazrat hussain(ra) didn’t go for a war. he(ra) was invited by the people of koofa who want to get rid of yazeed. [Dr Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Dr Sahab,
Reference please.
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hazrat hussain(ra) was not expecting any kind of battle with the soldiers of yazid that is why the whole family was with him(ra).so if it was not a war then how one can take a side in it.BTW people of madina advised him not to go there. [D Jawwad Khan]
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Dear Jawwad Sahab,
Who was leading the so-called Lashkar of Yazeed "Yaani Shami Khoon Asham Fauj". Let me help you.
His name was Amr Bin Saad [May Allah have mercy on his soul] because he was the son of Hazrat Sa'ad Bin Waqas [May Allah be pleased with him] and Saad Bin Wagas was maternally related with Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]
References:
Good old same history which narrates Karbala:
Reference:
1 – Tabari by Jareer Tabari.
2 – Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Hafiz Ibn Kathir [he is Ibn-e-Kathir of Tafsir Ibn Kathir]
3 – Usd al-ghaba by Izzuddin Ibn Athir [Bio Data of 8,000 Companions (May Allah be pleased with everyone of them]
4 – الاستعياب في معرفة الاصحاب by Ibn Abd Al Barr [The Comprehensive Compilation of the Names of the Prophet's Companions]
5 – Tabaqat-e-Ibn Saad by Ibn Saad
6 – History by Ibn Khaldun
7 – Al-’Awasim min al-Qawasim (العواصم القواصم) by Abu Bakr Ibn al-Arabi [not to be confused with the Sufi]