Guest Blog by Kazim Aizaz Alam
Violence has gripped Karachi once again. People are scared and all markets are closed in major parts of Karachi as I write these lines. The MQM is up in arms against the Pakhtuns as its alleged goondas on Saturday burnt [*] a woman and a girl alive in an act of arson besides shooting (and killing) a man while he was driving a car. All mini buses (or Mazdas, as we call them) in the city are owned by Pakhtuns and they become ‘soft targets’ once the hooligans receive a go-ahead signal from their Markaz. This time round the ‘excuse’ for violence is that internally displaced persons are coming to Karachi.
Ironically the MQM is the most vocal supporter of the military operation in the Malakand division — yet it is sternly opposing the establishment of IDP camps in Karachi. The operation has already made over 2.5 million people homeless but the crusaders against Talibanisation can’t let go of their Mohajir chauvinism. Besides the MQM and Sindhi nationalist parties, the Punjab government too has said that it will not welcome any Swati refugees. The MQM first raised a hue and cry about inhumanities of the Taliban and called for an indiscriminate military operation in the populous region, and now when hundreds and thousands of people are helpless, homeless and penniless; all it could offer was a ‘grand’ cheque of one million rupees for the Prime Minister’s Relief Fund.
On another note, one of my acquaintances who is in the MQM and is also a government representative told me yesterday that fully-constructed houses of 120 square yards were up for grabs in Gulshan-e-Zia (Orangi Town) for a paltry sum of Rs 40,000. But the only condition was that the buyer would have to move into the house immediately, otherwise the house along with the payment would be taken back at once. The houses are ‘distributed’ among MQM workers through the city district government. The reason is that a Mohajir-Pakhtun clash is imminent in the near future and since the area is overwhelmingly populated by the Pakhtuns, the MQM wants to consolidate its hold there before the final showdown. Meanwhile, its propaganda about Talibanisation in Karachi continues at full pace so that when it comes down to full-fledged ethnic-cleansing drive, our ‘liberals’ can stay back in complete peace and watch the war theatre in the name of fight against extremism.
Comments
114 responses to “War is welcome, IDPs aren’t”
May Allah give me strenght…i wud lov to kill Altaf Zardari n Musharraf wid a single shot…
shame on those who praise Altaf despite knowing how many families has se ruined, God forbades if it was ur family saboached by him, u shud ve been standing on da contrary… try to feel the pain, then decide the remedy for it…
@ Unaiza…dear u can never knw da intention that u r trying to judge n speak abt him…i feel gud abt him cuz he is the only leader who speaks wat a true pakistani wants to hear all others cant even dare to speak of the truth cuz they do pee in their pents wen it comes to work against the bloody american politics…
coming to IDPs y hav v forgoton the lesson of wataniat and qomiat…y hav v forgoton the Ansar and Muhajreens brotherhood…Pakistan was never made for a sect or group…y do v forget it was Islam that caused its creation then how the hell can v stop a muslim inside a muslim state to be bound to a locality. just think if such an operation was imposed on U then where wud u escape? and if sumone denied shelter then how wud u behave? if ur mother and sister had no top to cover thier heads wat wud u do then?
try to feel it before devising the remedy….
tamaaz khan,
You said: “kidnappings for ransom, Bhatta-khoreee and hijacking” are a sad reality in present day Pakistan, perpatrated by all parties not just the MQM.
So you mean that since all political parties of Pakistan kidnap for ransaom, kill opponents, tax the inncoents and by-force take land and property…….does it make legit for MQM to do the same?
You can accept it as a norm, but for civilized and educated human beings it is not
BTW, which other party claimed
"Jo Qaid kaa ghaddar hai woh maut kaa haqdaar hai"
Also which party had this moto:
"hamain Manzil nahee rahnumaa chahiey"
(aisey 'rahunaa' kaa to achaar bhee karwaa hogaa, warnaa achaar hee daal letay)
Aunty Unaiza Fatima,
Very good point. So if America is not the hero here, then why are they aiding?
@unaiza fatima!
i have only one question!
why people call you aunty and baji?
up to 18th may the KKF or the khidmat e khalq foundation which is a volunteer wing of mqm has collected relief goods worth 3.5 karore rs and dispatched them to the camps in Swats. i have provided itemized lists of the goods delivered as well as pics of the KKF relief effort on my blog.
This is in addition to the 1 million check you seem to be making fun off in this rant. Please inform me how much and what you have done for the IDP's other than sitting and bitching about MQM?
If you think people should not be screened before they enter our urban areas you need to read the BBC latest report that most taliban are now shaving beards and melting away in the population. Do tell me also how you propose to absorb so many people in a city which is already incapable of providing its current residents with adequate water, sewerage or electricity?
It is easy to rouse emotions and make speeches but some ground realities have to be taken note of before the exodus to Karachi is allowed.
Qaimkhani
You keep using this argument that "If X and Y are doing something wrong then is it OK for MQM to do it too"?
But why are you only focusing on MQM's wrongs?
That is what is wrong with you and Imran Khan. You guys have turned all your attention towards one party. If MQM was 60% of Pakistan's population you guys would not dare to say the same. This is a classic case of abusing a minority. And then you talk about democracy and the evils of dictatorship. If you are so concerned about democracy first learn to give minorities their rights.
It is no secret that Nawaz and Shahbaz are involved in extra judicial killings of people. It is no secret about Zardari's thug background and how he has intimidated and ruined people's businesses and families. Not only are these people criminals, they are also the 4th richest and 2nd richest Pakistanis respectively. Where did this money come from?
Is it not the money of innocents and poor people?
@Jibran: Unaiza was not fed much to answer all your queries. She said what she was asked for.
Those who are saying MQM=Urdu speaking people, I would like to tell those MQM supporters that Farooq Sattar is not an Urdu speaking person and Altaf got married with a Baloch Woman.
Adnan
So big deal Farooq Sattar is a Memon? His roots are in India and Memons are also called Muhajirs. In fact most non-Urdu Speakers don't see a difference between them and Urdu Speakers.
And if Altaf married a Baloch woman, it shows tolerance and acceptance of others. If he hated everyone else he would not get married into them would he?
@Sikandar
"…salman and ali azmat said about MQM"
I am not denying that fact. They also wrote a song called Ehtesab about Nawaz Sharif's corruption and spoke out against his undemocratic reign in the 90's.
@Qaimkhani
No one saying its legit for any party to do any illegal activities. I am asking why do you reserve your anger just for the MQM, when all parties do the same.
The topic is IDP's and most parties, PPP, PML, MQM, Sindhis Baluchis are restricting movement of IDPs due to the fear of Taliban moving amongst them. So why are you singling out MQM?
I find it really hilarious and amusing how some of the MQMized zealots are trying to defend their coward absconding british pir Altaf and his MQMized terrorist gang's terrorsim by praising Mustafa Kamal and his development work. Do you seriously think that blood stains of massacres and carnage planned orchestrated and executed by MQMized unit terrorists would be washed off by underpasses or flyovers. Are karachiites really that inhumane and cold-blooded that first kill and burn them alive and then give them lolly pop(fly over etc) and you expect them to forget MQM's brutal crimes which it continues to perpetrate and commit despite constantly blackmailing and being in power for almost a decade. Is decade a less time to reform it self? bottom line is that this bhathakhor (extortionist)mafia gang never wants to reform and will continue killing and burning down Karachiites alive.
@d0ct0r
Please re-read the posts nowhere have I defended any criminal activity.
I am just pointing out double-standards when comparing political parties in Pakistan.
The Sindh based parties are stopping IDP, so are the Punjab and Blocahistan based parties.
All political parties in Pakistan have a criminal element. PML has not shown any impetus to reforms its own criminal element neither have the PPP, JI or ANP. Blood has been spilt by all parties, IT TAKES TWO HAND TO CLAP!
So why do you insist on singling out the MQM? How am I zealot by pointing out the fact that all parties in Paksitan have a criminal element? Why is it wrong to praise positive work done by any person?
Shahbaz desrves kudos for his work in Punjab as does Mustafa Kamal in Karachi. We all know both PML and MQM have criminal elements, so do we disregard their positive contributions?
Maybe you need to apply a closer look to your own biases and double-standards here!
@tamaaz khan, khansahab ( or EX Barrister Chishti)
The reason why I'm talking openly against MQM is that 'cleanliness starts from your own home'. How can I preach others to be clean when our own backyard has thorny-bushes.
Qaimkhani
MQM was made as a reaction to discrimination against Muhajirs. First you need to acknowledge that. You can call it a thug party, a mafia (without obviously acknowledging that PPP and PML are also made of thugs and mafias) but you have to understand that millions of people in Karachi support this party and they are not thugs or criminals.
So if you want to clean the dirt in your own home, clean the dirt and filth that is in the minds of uneducated, feudal-minded, uncouth villagers across the country who see Muhajirs as someone different to them. Clean the filth from the minds of the people who think if someone has migrated from India, he must be a Hindu or Indian agent. Clean the filth from the minds of those who succumb to making jokes about Muhajirs' physical appearance, relatively dark complexion etc. They are so uncivilised that once they can't forward an intellectual argument to undermine what Muhajirs are predicating, they succumb to "muturwa" and "tilliyar".
If there were educated and broad minded people in Pakistan there would be no need for thug and criminal Altaf to spread his message across millions of people and make this party that is now the third biggest political party in Pakistan.
Tamaaz Khan
Forget it man, stop trying to convince these people. They are in the majority. They call themselves educated people who work for democracy in Pakistan but they don't know what democracy means.
They don't realise it is this one sided bias that made MQM. All they want to do is to spread and promote hatred because of their inherent biases against these "muturway that came into their country from the enemy and Hindu country of India."
khansahab,
wait a minute. So only Muhajirs are mocked of their phyical appearence?
What about Muhajirs mocking Bengalis, Pathans and Panjabis? Do you think this doesn't exist?
The problem is be it MQM (not Muhajirs), PML, PPP, JSQM, ANP, BNP are all racist party. While they accused others of doing wrong to them, but at the same time they do the same things to others.
You can argue and you can continue to argue, but things will not change. You can point fingers at others, but then 4 other fingers are still pointing to yourself
Don't just live to collect degree(s). Practice education, live by it. How can you teach others to be tolerant when you, yourself practice violence?. How can you accuse others of discrimination, when you do it yourself? How can you currse feudalism when you are enjoying the warm-lap of feudals yourself?
Qaimkhani
Muhajirs actually don't mock Bengalis. In fact Bengalis are ideologically very similar to Muhajirs, in terms that they have a closer connection with India and they are also more educated and secular than Punjabis and Pathans. I don't know where you got this idea of Muhajirs mocking Bengalis.
This might be a subjective comment, but I have seen Punjabis mock every other ethnicity in the most disgusting and unacceptable way.
Mocking someone's lack of education or lack of manners is different to physical appearance. How you look is very much out of your control but how you behave is in your control. All it takes is a little common sense and wisdom. So if Muhajirs mock some Punjabis and Pathans because they find them stupid or uncouth, that is a different matter.
If you think about where this word, "Paindoo" came from, it is a Punjabi word meant for Punjabis technically. Contrast that with "muturwaa" and "bhaiyya" which Punjabis use against Muhajirs. There is such a massive difference.
No one is supporting any violence or terrorism. If you think about it, when Imran Khan and like minded people sympathise with Taliban or militants and say that their land is being invaded so they are acting in defence, or when religious organisations in Pakistan and most of the public used to at least morally support insurgency in Kashmir against Indian Army, what these people do/did is not too different from what MQM has done. They also used violence and terrorism to further their cause and get themselves noticed.
Now I am against MQM's violence and terrorism, but in the same way I have always opposed militant Islam practised by Taliban and their supporters, and I have also opposed the insurgency in Kashmir which has actually made Kashmir worse for Muslims and made them hate Pakistan.
So will you view this the way I do? Or will this campaign of one sided hatred and bias continue?
"Now I am against MQM’s violence and terrorism, but in the same way I have always opposed militant Islam practised by Taliban and their supporters, and I have also opposed the insurgency in Kashmir which has actually made Kashmir worse for Muslims and made them hate Pakistan"
paposh men lagaee kiran aaftab ki
jo bat bhi khuda ki qasm lajawab ki
brothers and sisters please read this book.it is strongly recommended.a must read book for every muslim:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15968471/Tesri-Jang-E-A…
"Now I am against MQM’s violence and terrorism, but in the same way I have always opposed militant Islam practised by Taliban and their supporters, and I have also opposed the insurgency in Kashmir which has actually made Kashmir worse for Muslims and made them hate Pakistan"
paposh men lagaee kiran aaftab ki
jo bat bhi ki khuda ki qasm lajawab ki
brothers and sisters please read this book.it is strongly recommended.a must read book for every muslim:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15968471/Tesri-Jang-E-A…
@Unaiza Fatima
I can not consider any ethno nationalist person educated and most imoprtantly such person can never be Muslim.
First you are so much idiot that you even don't know that USAID doesn't go to poors.They might be helping Govt but for what?Are not they getting anything in return?In return they have sent CIA and RAW agents in the form of Zardari,Musharaf,Nawaz Sharif and Altaf Kalia…..
Whereas Imran Khan is the one who has never harmed Pakistan…
It is God who has to change you people I can not change your mind which is full of illiteracy and dishonesty for pakistan.Don't you think that how ALtaf can be a pakistani who has abused Pakistan and that too in India.Is MQM a Pakistani party…
Sindhis,Balochis,pathans,Punjabis were hanging pakistan's flags but some of urdu speaking were hanging MQM's flags during world cup 1992….Go and watch out video on youtube.
And understand the difference what makes Imran Pakistani and you yet have to prove that you are pakistani….
Tahir
You are at the height of bigotry and dogmatism. Who the hell are you to say who is a Muslim or not? Leave that decision to your Creator.
You symbolise the bigotry that is in Pakistanis which is why parties like MQM are formed.
Is ANP a Pakistani party? Bacha Khan was against Partition and he was Gandhi's close associate. How unpatriotic was he? He even said if he dies he wants to be buried in Afghanistan. His family started this ANP.
When Benazir died Sindhis stood up in arms and said they want to be separated from Punjab.
Is PML N a Pakistani party? They get votes on regionalism and they have minimal presence outside Punjab.
If Muhajirs had been treated like how Punjabis, Sindhis and Pathans are treated, there would be no reason for Altaf to abuse Pakistan in India. The only problem is that even now the bigots and idiots in Pakistan see them as "Indians" or "outsiders". And then we talk about why we are not progressing as a nation.
You have no right to say who is Pakistani or who is Muslim. Jinnah made Pakistan and he was not a Punjabi, Sindhi or Pathan.
@khansahab i don't agree that PML N is a regional party.. they do have strong vote bank in Punjab.. i admit that the ratio is not too good in other provinces.. but people like MQM and other parties criticize them on this point.. and on the other hand.. MQM is also a city party not even a provincial party.. they only have strong hold in Karachi. and PPP also took lead from Sindh.. so does it mean that all the political parties are regional???. but you have to admit that PML N .. never says that MQM or PPP are regional parties.. but they (MQM and PPP) always do..
Sikander
Yaar only last year Shahbaz Sharif accepted MQM as a "political party". They have always excluded MQM from the political front and in fact they even said they will refuse to form the government if MQM is in government. This was happening when Musharraf was about to resign.
One "democratic leader" was denying the acceptance of the 3rd biggest party and ignoring and insulting the mandate of millions of people in Karachi.
I don't think PPP is a regional party because they have a strong presence in the Seraiki belt as well as interior Sindh.
Yes, I do believe apart from PPP all parties are regional. And I agree with you MQM is restricted to Karachi and Hyderabad whereas PML N is restricted to Punjab. I know PML N has some presence in Sindh but even MQM has a seat in Azad Kashmir; however largely they are regional parties.
@khansahab so ultimately you admit that PML N is larger than MQM.. lolz. In fact a party is considered larger according to their manifesto.. to me it doesn't depend on their vote bank.. PML Q was purchasing votes in the recent elections.. Mounis Elahi was paying 1500 per vote.. but they didn't get the required result..
@khansahab i don't care whether Shahbaz sharif accept MQM as a political party.. i still don't see any kind no political germs in them.. they aren't competitive politically.. and they also must be enduring.. if someone is criticizing them. they must take it with a big heart.. and don't mix the debate with personal stuff..
@KhanSahab
I can sense ur confusion.According to ur logic,I can not call Firaun a non Muslim ….A person becomes Muslim when he acts like Muslim….Abusing Pakistan is realy one of the reason which can make someone non Muslim…When someone holds meeting with Raw agents,rather than visiting poor Kashmiris,it does make me say that this man is more non Muslim…Can you prove what makes Altaf Hussain Muslim?
There are 230 cases registered against him…He is the one who abused Pakistan,abused punjabis,sindhis,Iranis,Balichis,Afhanis, but have never abused Indians…..
It's ok you form a regional party but who has given you right to abuse Pakistan and killing innocent people…This is not about forming regional party,it rather is about killing people.
I noramlly don't discuss these things with ethno nationalists who don't have honesty,education and are ignorant about Islam..Remember in islam if you have killed one person you have killed whole humanity….Who is MQM to stop pakhtuns going to other parts of their own country?Only a radical mohajer can support MQM that's why they don't even a single supporter in pakistan's capital Islamabad….They are still confined to a city and even were found involved in rigging during 2008 election…
Quaid e Azam was not a mohajer,he was born in karachi not in Gujrat,Delhi or somewher else which is part of India whereas Mohajers were born in Indian cities…
Quaid was Pakistani unlike Mohajers who were hanging MQM's flags during world cup 1992 whereas Pakistanis(suporters of PPP,PML, or anyother party)were hanging Pakistan's flags…
Mohajers must understand the difference….
@KhanSahab
This is what I wrote at the end of my first post
"And understand the difference what makes Imran Pakistani and you yet have to prove that you are pakistani…."
Above clearly says that some mohajers have yet to prove that they are pakistanis but how can they prove?
They can prove by correcting themselves.Imran supported Musharaf initially but corrected himself and apologised publicly.This is what makes him hero of this nation…Why doesn't Altaf follow Imran and publicly apologize for what he said about pakistan in India?That obviously takes courage which he doesn't have,..It requires a wish to become a Pakistani which he can not have while living in London…If you see Imran and Altaf closely ,you can sense that Imran made little mistake whereas Altaf made blunder.But what makes the difference is Imran's courage and honesty and love for this country….
Let me ask you a simple question,what makes Altaf Hussain Pakistani?
I won't ask for military operation against MQM,it's bad startegy….I rather would correct these would-be country men by shwing courage and education….
There is no place of killers and dishonest persons in pakistan…. such people have to correct themselves
@tahir
After reciting the kalima, only ALLAh(SWT) can judge who is a true muslim or not.
Any human who tries to call another who has declared they are muslim a non-muslim is guilty of SHIRK. And in Pakistan SHIRK is punishable by death.
If you don't know Islamic law go ask your mullah, who can declare a person non-muslim after they declare themselves as one? Who can ask for proof a human or Allah (SWT)?
@Sikandar
If PML-N doesn't get one vote outside Punjab they are a regional party. It just so happens Punjabis are a majority therfore OBVIUSLY they will be the largest political party.
BTW the MQM has Punjabi and Sindhi legislators, from interior Sindh, and Azad Kashmir.
At this point every party in Pakistan is either regional/ethnic except PPP & JI. Mainly beacuse PPP relies on feudals in all provinces and JI are munafiqs and munafiqs are found in every group/region (remember Maudoodi called Pakistan na-Pakistan). MQM is limited to urban Sindh coz the people they represent are in the minority. Being a minority is not a SIN.
Again it is your biases that cause you to single out one party as being thuggish or ethnic/regional. Reality is most parties in Pakistan (MQM, PML, ANP, JUI, BNP, NAP, NSF) are ethnic/regional and ALL have criminal elements. You can't turn blind eye to one and then burn the other at the stake.
@tamaaz khan you have no right to say anyone munafiq.. maybe i am a munafiq and you can also be.. only Allah is the judge.. and he knows better than anyone else.. no one can judge that.. he is the only owner of Qayamat (the judgement day).. and i believe that criminal elements are exist in every party.. but MQM is the leading party among all of them.. most of Karachi natives are saying this..
Tahir
Imran has at least one child born outside of wedlock. What makes him a Muslim then?
Innocent people have been killed by Nawaz Sharif and Zardari both. Altaf is not unique. Get over it.
You are such an ignorant bigot that you keep saying who is Muslim and who is not. Muhajirs were happier in India than in Pakistan because Pakistanis abused them and took their rights- like how they did with Bengalis. Even Bengalis consider India more favourably than Pakistan.
So you bigot, you think Bengalis are not Muslim? Or like a stubborn bigot, you will think you are the only Muslim and everyone else is kaafir?
There are more Pakhtuns in Karachi than there are in Peshawar. Did Muhajirs stop them? How many Muhajirs are there in Peshawar and how many of them are there in Lahore? If you look at the numbers then undoubtedly Muhajirs are the most tolerant people because 52% of Karachi's population is non-Muhajir. And thousands of Pakhtuns are coming in the city everyday.
I think all uncouth and uneducated villagers in Pakistan should apologise to Muhajirs first for mistreating them and hating them for their looks and different cultural and social views. And then Altaf can apologise for his remarks in India. If killing one person is equivalent to killing entire humanity then explain how and why MQM activists die in the city everyday at the hands of Pathans and Punjabis. And explain why the Army killed its own people in Operation Clean Up in Karachi. If you think murder is wrong under every circumstance you have to condemn the murder of Muhajirs just like you condemn the murders of Pathans or Punjabis. Because if you don't then you will be called a racist and ignorant bigot.
Altaf was also born in Karachi. Is he not a Pakistani then?
Quaid's family was from Bombay, now Mumbai and his roots were Gujrati. So he is very similar to Altaf actually because both of them have roots in India. And the people who laid the foundations of the Pakistan movement in Aligarh Muslim University were Urdu Speaking Muslims from U.P.
@Sikander
I totally agree. I didn't mean it in a religious sense. I meant it in a political sense.
JI never supported the creation of Pakistan, infact they termed the idea NAPAK-istan. They called Jinnah kafir-e-azam. They are hypocrates who have never worked for the betterment of the country, yet consider themselves patriots.
I am from Karachi, I grew up in the 70-80's thats when JI and IJT ghundagardi was at its peak. The Klashinkov culture you see in politics all started from JI and Hussain Haqqani. MQM's ghundagardi and criminailty pales in front of JI. How many thousands were murdered in East Pakistan by JI thugs? How many political murders by JI in Karachi in the 60's & 70's? And now they are a front for the Taliban. How many poor Pakistani's have the Taliban killed?
@tahir
The views you espouse are the reason why reactionary parties like MQM, Baloch Liberation Army, Jeay Sindh start up in the first place.
Where the hell do you get the nerve to ask people to prove they are Pakistani's or Muslims?
Its beacuse of people like you that our country is in the state it is in.
Muhajirs don't need a certificate from people like you prove their loyalty or religion.
@Tamaaz Khan
I was not refering to common mohajers,that was about Altaf Hussain….
Have you ever been out of ur city?I have seen punjabis,Balochis,Pathans,Sindhis and a lot urdu speaking people questioning Altaf’s loyality with Pakistan.
Yes,I have got every right to ask Altaf to render an apology for the very fact that he abused Pakistan in india to make indians happy.Can you please prove how I don’t have this right…
You realy need to be a bit broad minded who should not equate Altaf with Mohajers.What do you think of hakeem saeed a great person and pakistani who was a mohajer…To me Hakeen Saeed was true pakistani,one certainly doesn’t need to be punjabi,sindhi ,balchi,pakhtun to be pakistani but one doesn’t have to abuse Pakistan to show that he or she is pakistani from the bottom of heart..
Tahir
You are an idiot who is filled with misconceptions. If you read the above posts you will see that I confessed to not knowing who Saleem Shahzad was. I have never voted for MQM and my family hates them.
The only reason I came here is to redress the ignorance and one sided bias of a few individuals like yourself. I can go on forever about how ignorant, racist and bigoted you are. You think I vote for MQM. You think you are Muslim and others are Kaafir etc.
You need to sort yourself out first. It is after seeing people like you that I understand why MQM was made.
@Khanshaab
U have now admitted that Altaf Hussain is a killer.
What deos islam say about a killer is quite clear…comparing Altaf with Sharif,and Zardari shows ur level of education…I have never voted for any of them…If they are bad,I don't need to be bad .Who has given right to Altaf to be bad as Zaradri and sahrif are bad…
The difference betwen you and me is that You vote for killer whereas I don't…Got the point…You desperately need to correct ur self
my point is why do we keep bringing back these scums of the earth to rule us ????
an axiom would be power corrupts … but unless a person is a real God fearing person that person should not be allowed to rule a a city let alone a country ….
we get elections quiet randomly … and we dont appear to vote … what does that change … what can you all do rather than blabbering about who is right and who is wrong … who is a killer and who is a saint …
ones who are convinced that this is a failed state and we are in the hands of pirates everywhere … stand up and do something …
ones who have this false security that we are good are merely the ones who "have" while us the "have nots" are not doing anything at all to change the situation …
any 1s got any suggestion what requires to be done to altaf n zardari and people of his league ?
@tahir
I don't know why you keep bringing up Altaf Hussain. No one yet has defended Altaf Hussain. He is not even in the country – the people of Karachi do not even care. They vote MQM (I do not vote) based on the hifazt of their mohallahs, provision of municipal services and representation of their community.
Whenever there are problems in the city, if you go to a place like Gulshan-w-Iqbal, a predominantly middle class neighborhood, mqm supporting but multi ethnic, it the safest place to be in the city. The community there is organised, and takes care of each other. If you see this and other localities you will see why people from Karachi vote MQM. It has nothing to do with Altaf, Altaf will never be PM of Pakistan.
I dont even vote, so im not saying the party is without faults, I'm saying there a valid and concrete reason why people vote for MQM. Altaf is a killer just like Nawaz, Shahbaz, Zardari, Bhutto, all, people still vote for them, WHY?
@Nabeel
These scum keep returning because they DO safegaurd the interests of a certain constituency. In Pakistan we are very close to the state of nature,. PPP, MQM, PML provide jobs and security for their constituency, not some therotical terms like law, humanity and respect. What use are these theoretical terms when you do not have anything to eat, when your neighbor can go an kidnap your entire family because he is of a higher caste? When your community can be terrorised by the state because there is no representation?
These are the issues of a majority of the people in our country, most of whom do not have the time to sit and debate on blogs. If you actually have to deal with these situations the acronym of the party you support doesnt matter, the ethnicity of the party does not matter, how much money Nawaz/Zardari has stolen or how many people Altaf/Shahbaz have killed do not matter. You have to protect your family and in a lot of cases these things are most effective dealt with by those in power.
@tahir
no body knows who is a good muslim and who isn't. only Allah knows whether Altaf or mohajirs, or punjabis etc are muslims or kaafirs. in fact you can't even judge yourself that you are muslim.. no body can. only the owner of judgment day knows who shall be in hell and who deserves heaven.. so please don't ever get too much obnoxious..
@Tamaaz Khan …………
Fear has been striken down into your heart and the heart of the others who believe in your ideology of "Survival" only ….
Is this why we have been given freedom by the Lord of the worlds that we subjugate ourselves to the greedy misers , judas iscariot , selfish nowises like the names you just took … so that they use you for their own purpose and use you against each other … is this what you call human freedom or democracy … how many people in a certain MNA's constituency get jobs and social support because of their certain MNA being elected ??? the numbers would be really low … but if you work for them , bribe for them , kill for them , shout slogans for them and be their servants than they may grant you your wishes as well …. is this what you are ready to do ??
i am asking the wrong question … because you are not just ready to do it … eager to do it … you will sell your self up , your morals your dignity just to earn enough to save your family from starving …
Do the politicians provide you with food , shelter and security or is it Allah ?
Do the politicians look for your best interest or is it Allah ?
how long would you be the slaves of job and occupancy …. humans can fall below animals when they lose their self-respect ….
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consider a feudal lord in whose constituency a certain Asif Bhatti resides … Asif bhatti is totally obedient to his master and considers his master's wishes to be the full and final reason of his own existence … so Mr Asif considers that he has been created to serve that certain chaudhry … Asif suffers from humiliation hard work , privation and hunger but he is scared to rebel … to become the outlaw and gather likes of him in protest to the attrocities done by the chaudhry ….
one day that certain Chaudhry was walking in his kingdom read village … he sees the wife of Asif bhatti and feels a certain vibe passing down his back … he is excited .. and yet he knows that this woman is the wife of the person who serves him night and day … what choice does he make …. you know it … you have lived in tehsils and chaks and alot of you are subjects to these chauhdries …
asif bhatti still wont be able to say anything do anything … his shame and self respect has vanished …..
how many asif bhattis do we have amongst us
24 lakh people are homeless … do you know what kind of social ills they are suffering from … what hunger and privation what sense of loss ….
and why … because they are subjected to the rules of our politicians …. and yet we watch
tomorrow it will be my house and my family being forced to leave my home …. and you will be with me tamaaz khan and well discuss the theory of subjugation …
till then live in fear … and consider yourself the lowest of the low to fill the void of the lost ego
@sikander …
Sikander … i really like the youth of my land commenting on islam … giving their verdicts … some 1 stating that islam is only peace and subjugation and you here laying down the principles of judgement on islam …
Yes we can judge the level of islamism in a certain inidividual or a group … i m writing down the indicators …
Firstly Islam is not just about belief but action as well … action can be of two types hidden (personal) and open (visible to all) now if their is a liquor store owner who says he is a muslim .. he is not a true muslim y ??? because if he was he wouldnt be selling liquor … same is the case with bankers … if they claim that they are true muslims than their claim is false as well because they are outlaws of the shariah … if you join the kuffar forces against your own muslims … than it is a very clear indicator that you are not a muslim …
all the scholars (hanafi,shaafi etc) agree that a certain head of state has to be an obedient namazi … if he is not .. than people can rebel against him
Islam is a way of life its called "DEEN" for nothing , DEEN means way of life so its not merely religion and praying your prayers … if the heads of state and wazirs are not implementing the law of Allah … they are implementing the law of "TAAGHUT" that is against Allah …
in that case true practising believers are supposed to stand up and fight for their rights … to establish the true way of life …
before passing on your valuable judgement on islam … kindly spend some months reading the book of Allah i.e "QURAN" read different exegesis .. than you will know what you are talking about…
right now all you do is conjecture and heresy
@Nabeel M Sher well done.. i am not a true muslim.. can u assure me you are a true muslim? i believe that one little virtue can lead one to heaven.. and one little sin can lead one to hell simultaneously.. but no one can even say or judge that he is a good muslim.. not he.. let's talk about me.. i can't even tell that which virtue will lead me to heaven.. and which will be caused of curse.. i am not a scholar and not even read any Islamic book besides Quran.. but one thing i have firm believe that you can't be assure that who is a true muslim and who isn't?? you can't even assure either you are true muslim or not?? Our creator (Allah)is almighty.. he can even forgive a non believer and a Muslim can also not be forgiven.. who knows? I don't know 1 percent of our Deen but what i know is that Only Allah is Allah.. he is the greatest and beneficent.. so don't judge anyone.. in fact you can't even judge yourself.. if you think that you are a true muslim, so in my opinion you are a dumb.?? coz only Allah knows who's virtues are more than evils..
@Nabeel M Sher
Your tasfara lays bare the stark differences in our perspectives.
In my opinion politics is far removed from highbrow dicussion of justice, democracy and religion. In my opinion to understand politics you have to reconcile yourself with the base reality, the "lowest of the low", as you call it, denominators of human life.
You have the time to do your falsfa and theorize concepts of human dignity and respect and debate on philosophical matters on blogs.
When a person is forced to scavange food out of garbage dumps, they are not spending time to think about their self respect.
On what you are preaching Sikandar, judgement is reserved for Allah (SWT) on the day of judgement. Islam does make distinction between hidden or visible sin, all are Judged by Allah alone.
Just because one is selling alcohol they are not infrigning on your rights to live your life as a righteous Muslim. Therefore standing up and fighting for your rights as a Muslim does not include demonising the seller of Alcohol, or assuming Allah (SWT) role as the sole arbitrator of judgement.
One does have to spend months reading the Quran to learn that my friend. Please quote me a passage when Allah (SWT) allows his people to make judgements on others!
The topic of discussion here was IDP's look where its gone. Opposition to the settlement of IDPs in Sindh and Baluchistan is based on the following factors:
Why settle IDPs in Sindh and Baluchistan when they:
1) Are far away from place of origin: settled areas of NWFP and Punjab are more practical?
2) Have a very harsh climate in the summer peroids?
3) Lack the facilities that are in Punjab?
4) Unfortunately the two smaller provinces already have simmering ethnic conflicts within the settled peoples, why increase the pressure on an already volatile situation?
Sikander … you are confusing law with exceptions … their is a certain law and proportion to everything He has created … we are asked by all our means to abide by the law and order He has created for us … but ofcourse we are not perfect beings and we usually swerve … and hence the process of repentance … but those who are real-rebellious are the ones who know it themselves …
you know what ehtesaab is ??? read the Quran by understanding it … there are laws of personal and group conduct and judge your ownselves …
God has not just left us without giving us any direction and choosing us for hell or heavens randomly … He has shows the path of virtue , felicity and everlasting refuge …
kindly refer to Quran … read it by understanding it … read the Bible and the Psalms you will get a general idea of what is acceptable to Allah and what is not acceptable to Him ….
ofcourse there can be exceptions … cause Allah is the King of the Kings and my King shows some exceptions if He sees some good in some 1 …. but His general principles are laid down very very clearly ….
trust me
have you heard about seven cardinal sins in Christianity … they have gathered those sins and virtues for ease of use …those seven cardinal sins stand true for Ummat e Muhammadi as well … that is just a small example of what the DEEN is … cause religion the way which Allah has revealed has been the same to all the prophets … its people like us and our ancestors and ancestors of jews and christians who distorted it and added their desires into the religion ….
do u know what "Furqan" is … read Surah Anfal … Allah tells us that if we strive in His way , He grants us the Furqan … the criterion between right and wrong …
so dont consider urself aloof from the TRUE GUIDE .. THE HAADI … if you live by His law and fear HIM as much as possible than He will show you the way HIS WAY
but striving is required not just lip service that Allah is great … we all know Allah is great even kaafirs accept Allah is great and yet they assign partner to the true Lord ….
if you believe Quran to be the true unaltered words of Allah then try to understand it … because ALLAH didnt reveal the Quran just to get it listed of the newyorks best seller … in it is guidance , glad tidings and mercy for the believers …
but i am sure like myself you dont know arabic … and that starting to read the Quran sounds like a momentous task … but if you cant than dont .. your own loss … but if you dont read it than stop making judgement about what Allah wants out of the humanity
Thou will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger,
Even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers or their kindred.
For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a Spirit from Himself.
And he will admit them to Gardens, beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (forever.)
Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him.
They are the Party of Allah.
Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.
surah 58:21-22 Al Mujadidah, (The Woman Who Pleads)
(Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an, 1989.)
This verse is a clear indication that Momins true believers have faith in their heart and by reading Quran they have a fair idea of what is wrong and what is right in the eyes of Allah ….
the righteous man judges people .. but by the law of Allah … cause he knows the law of Allah … he doesnt just conjecture even when he has no knowledge ….
…you say it takes alot of months to understand the Quran .. may be even more than an year … but tell me how much time have you spent in schools , colleges and universities ??? 12yrs 15 yrs , 18 yrs ? what have you learnt there ?????
you say Allah is the greatest and yet you cannot use your intellect to understand why He has created you ????
just because reading Quran cant get you a job in the bank ????
if you read the Quran you will know what Allah wants out of you … and if He wishes you wont need that boring job and ghulami of bosses …
check another verse …
"O you who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors), offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because you believe in Allah your Lord! If you have come out to strive in My Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, (how) you hold secretconverse of love (and friendship) with them?I know full well all that you conceal and all that you reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path" (Surat al-Mumtahina, 60:1) Having even a little love for the unbelievers would never be a proper attitude for a believer. Believers are seriously warned against this in the Qur’an …
Now take this verse in context with the recent situation in Pakistan and our leaders joining hands with our enemies to destroy us … what do you have to say about that ???
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another verse …
“There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Ibrahim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘We are clear of you and of whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever, unless you believe in Allah and Him alone’” (Surat al-Mumtahina,60:4)
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shocking aint it ???
islam is not just about sitting at home watching soap operas and eating biryani while talking about politics over tea ….
islam is submitting your will to Allah and acting according to His will … hating what He hates and loving what He loves ….
Believers live for only one cause; and that is to serve Allah, and for this they have abandoned the world. Allah explains this as:
“Allah has purchased of the believers their persons and their properties; for theirs (in return) is the garden (ofParadise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Torah, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” (Surat at-Tawba, 9:111)
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about IDPs … IDPs or Drones or Pakistani Military or the Taliban are part of the big jigsaw puzzle which you can only understand if some ONE who has complete knowledge of everything gives you examples about it and explains things to you openly ….
its a war against islam …
either you can discuss personalities or political facts and fight over them … that is exactly your bosses in washington want u to do ….
or you could start seeing a pattern n do something about it
read Quran to figure out your lives my friends ….. you MBAs n CAs n MBBS you are nothing without the wisdom of Allah within u …
Quran is not just for your local maulvi or for ulema … its for u n u n u n u n u
btw tamaaz khan the last message was for you …. kindly stop making judgements about Allah without knowledge and reading any single Holy Scripture
Nabeel M Sher,
You made excellent points and I think in this age of (mis)information people have diluted the true meanings of Islam.
We have taken forgiveness to new rather fabricated meanings. Didn't Muhammad (S.A.W.W) give glad tidings of Janat to the 10 Sahaba (Ashra-Mubashireen), but still if you look at their lives they didn't turn arrogant and ignorant. They had the gaurantee. But look at the life of Ali(RA), when making "Wudu" for his namaz, his face would turn red. People asked him about it and he said I am going to stand infront of my lord and I'm scared.
We think since we make Jumma namaz every (often) Friday, hell is forbidden on us.
May Allah guide the people of Pakistan and may Allah curse the so-called leaders of Pakistan, who are taking this nation towards "TAGHUT", AMEEEN.
QaimKhani ….
Thank you for appreciating the message of Allah … may Allah open your heart fully to Islam …
Our politicians are not taking us to Taaghut we are living in Taaghut already since decades … if you take a look at the 1973 constitution you will find all the clauses of Islamic Shariah in there and it even says that No law would be made which is repugnant to Islam … and yet we see Hudood Ordinance being modified … and Women prime ministers and moral way wardness … we are oppressed arent we by our politicians and state actors … we can be sold anytime if the bid is high enough to please our leaders …. all this is taaghut …
if you cant love Allah fear Him ….cause His grip is over every affair … we all are in a test … a test designed by the ONE who has power over all things … Who manages all affairs and yet we dont see how He manages all affairs ….Who is soooo brilliant that with our limited intelligence HE is incomprehensible … everything that surrounds us is a token that we require action … we dont just require passive lipservice that Allah is great …. we need to prove by our actions that we fear none but ALLAH … that we are obedient to none but ALLAH …
and if we are able to do that … there wont be any zardaris n altaf to loot us …. they r here coz we deserve them ….
this aint utopia i m not saying that the burayee would end … no it cant in this world …. but it would be greatly reduced … its a constant struggle against satan n his team of US allies ….
what choice would u make ???
would u subjugate your morals , your true self believing that these morons politicians provide you with food ?????
look at the skies … do you see any flaw in it ????
why ??? because the stars and the heavenly bodies have all subjugated their will to ALLAH swt … while we havent .. and that is why we suffer from hunger , privation , loss of goods , loss of respect and we are the victim of every loathsome element in this world ….
wake up my brothers …. if you cant take actions atleast set straight your ideology …
the war on terror is more of an ideological war … they want to mutilate the element of JIHAD in islam cause that is the only way they can make muslims subservient to them ….
why do they fight islam ????
because Islam is the only DEEN (way of life) that has the capability to pose threat to the Capitalist system of the world … their last enemy was communism … would we fall down like russia … happily saving enough wealth to buy an apartment a car and a wife ????? would we be contented with that … if we choose that path and sell our souls … we would face more humiliation in this world and the hereafter would be much more in suffering ….
use your intellect … understand islam … Allah has saved HIS last book from corruption … its HIS words … HE doesnt speak without a firm purpose … know what HIS purpose is so that you may achieve felicity in this world and the here after …
@Tamaaz Khan … you made a point that people would suffer from hunger if they chose to disobey the politicians ….
here are a few verses of QURAN to enlighten you …
"The Evil ones threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly . Allah promises you HIS forgiveness and bounties . And ALLAH careth for all and HE knows all things "
(SURAH BAQARAH , 2:268)
another verse throwing some light on how the providence works … ALLAH is called RABB … there is a reason HE calls HIMSELF RAB UL ALAMEEN ….
"How many are the creatures that carry not their own sustenance ? It is Allah who feeds (both) them and you . For HE hears and knows (All things)"
(Surah Ankabut[the spider], 29:60)
Nabeel M Sher i have don't a lot of things in my life which wasn't allowed in our religion.. so what's that mean?? you might have done the same??.. but Allah can forgive anyone if one has a single virtue.. might be possible the people you are saying kaafirs have done which Allah like most of all.. So don't try to be a judge.. coz whatever Allah do is final.. no comments, no suggestions.. and there is quote in Urdu
"Jaisi rooh waise he farishtay" same like "Jaisi Qaum waise he Hukmaran".. we aren't a nation anymore.. buddy.. realize this thing.
@Nabeel M Sher
For all your long winded rantings, and randomly selected quotations from the Quran no where have you included a part where Allah(SWT) sanctions common humans like yourself you assume his role for judgement of other mortals.
I learn't that whomever equates himself with Allah's(SWT) virtues is guilty of shirk.
For all your time spending readin the Quran, I think what you forgot to realize that the message sent to belivers is to prove themselves to Allah, not to mortals like yourself. So please, even if you have 50 years of Quranic education, do no thing that entitles you to start handing out judgements of Islamic virtues. Know your place your are a flawed mortal like the rest of us Allah(SWT) is all knowing and is the final arbritator of justice.
That is the first lesson from the Quran even a 5 year old knows it, seems with all your years of studying you missed that.
Again I will try to bring your attention to the topic at hand:
Why settle IDPs in Sindh and Baluchistan when they:
1) Are far away from place of origin: settled areas of NWFP and Punjab are more practical?
2) Have a very harsh climate in the summer peroids?
3) Lack the facilities that are in Punjab?
4) Unfortunately the two smaller provinces already have simmering ethnic conflicts within the settled peoples, why increase the pressure on an already volatile situation?