Recently Mr Ali Anan Qamar, an Assistant Coordination Officer and in-charge of Sheikh Yasin camp was beaten up and publicly humiliated by two officers of Pakistan Army, Maj. Asad Jamal and Lt. Haider marwat of 32nd Cavalry on 8th July 2009. Mr Qamar is a very well educated official of the government and we fear that if such treatment is meted out to high officials of the civil bureaucracy what may be happening to those who are the poor and illiterate in society and who cannot even raise their voices.
Ali Anan Qamar wrote on PkPolitics.com
Today on 08-07-09, at about 11:00AM, I was sitting in my office at Skeikh Yasin Camp, when Lt Haider of 32 cavalry came to my office. Apparently he was in on angry mood and told me that Major Asad 32 cavalry was not happy with me. He mentioned as list of things which Major Asad wanted to be done through me. I responded and if he had any complaints against me, he better report it to the DCO and Commissioner Mardan.
He threatened me with dire consequences. I then proceeded to the Rub Hall, where an army JCO came and asked me to report about the tents which the army had provided to the camp. I responded that I will hand over a report to some officer like a captain or a major. The JCO misbehaved with me there, in front of many witnesses including two doctors for ERU who had brought in Atta for the IDPs. The JCO too accused me of abusing the army and refused to move, but later some civilians finally managed to take him away from the Rub Hall.
About half an hour later, while I was standing in a container along with Wajid of SRSP, that I saw army jawans fully armed beating up the IDPs. Then Major Asad and Lt Haider rushed towards one with 35/40 troops fully armed and Major Asad said, “Pick him up”.
The jawan of army led by Major Asad and Lt Haider started beating me up mercilessly with fists, shoes and butts of gun and abused me continuously. I was thrown on the ground and beaten. Then they picked me up from my hands and legs and dragged me towards the military vehicle parked outside.
The jawans beat me continuously under the directions of Major Asad and forced me to sit on the floor of the vehicle with my head down. I was then alternately asked to stand on the seat of the vehicle with my hands raised. The beating continued, the abuses continued. The IDPs were rounded up and made to look at my beating the message was given that this is your ACO, and we the army are throwing him out. We have taken over..
I was then thrown on the ground and then dragged on to as to the main Charsadda Road. There my shirt was ripped open and I was asked to lie on the road. Then amidst the continuous beating, Major Asad stopped a rickshaw and I was put in the rickshaw. Lt Haider come to me and said, now you know what the army is and beat me more.
In this whole ordeal I have sustained injuries on the chin and head, bruises on the face, which will be shown in the medicolegal certificate. Prior to the incident they raided my office and took away the record of the camp. Lt Haider took away my two mobiles telephones 1 Nokia communicator with Ufone Sim 0334-4119821 and 2 Sony Erricson 03004132534. The Lt Haider also took away my wallet with some cash in it and ID Cards, Aim Cards, Driving Lenience and Service Card. That cash amounted to R.S 3000-4000/-
I charge Major Asad and Lt Haider for physically assaulting me, causing injuries on my chin and other parts of the body and obstructing me form tha discharge of my official duty, snatching my purse and mobiles. I can also identify the other accused if they are produced before me.
The accused also gave beating to my gun man Qayyum, Mr. Wajid from SRSP and some others who were accompanying me at that time.
08-07-09
Signed by Ali Anan Qamar
On the 14th of July Kamran Shafi wrote a column in Dawn and questioned about this incident to say Whatever happened to Thana Saddar, Mardan, FIR No: 416/09 dated July 8, 2009?
As of now we do not need to make this issue too ‘political’ but an issue of rights of an individual and urge the Pakistan army to take quick action against its officers mentioned in the FIR. Only recently Anan Qamar’s wife Knawal Qamar wrote in seriously doubting the Army’s intention in bringing justice with the following email
Today ie on 14-07-09 at 10 pm Mr Ejaz Haider conducted an hour long discussion on this issue in his program Siasiyaat aired on Samaa News Channel..Lt Col Waseem was also contacted in this program and he spoke the following lies on air:
- That this issue is resolved and a reconciliation has taken place.
- The event was just based on a MISUNDERSTANDING
- The army officers did not beat up Mr Anan.
- He was bleeding just because he might have been hurt by his nail
Trust me, his statements were most shocking to us because we have a handwritten note of apology addressed to my husband after this incident..by the same Lt. who was lying to the people of Pakistan and hiding facts.The FIR No. is 416 (Thana Saddar Mardan) dated: 08-07-09
Till now we are not sure if army is serious about conducting an inquiry because we don’t have any documentary response from the army on this issue as yet.
Lt Col Waseems blatant lies on air have made us even more determined to fight for our right till the very end. Please see if u can get a recording of that program.
Regards!
Kanwal
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117 responses to “The Hoodlumism of Army Officers and the Blatant Lack of Accountability”
just a little amendment!
a great celebrity and an icon of character power 🙂
The Pakistani Army is a curse on our society. All it is good for is the beating up of unarmed civilians. These shameless bastards have not won a single war for the country, rather the army is responsible for the loss of half of our country i.e. East Pakistan and it came about because they raped and murdered innocent Bengalis.
One after the other, Yahya, Zia and Musharraf have been a curse on our society.
They are a bunch of Khusras who know not who to fight and how to fight. If Kiyani does not take them to task then he is another in a long list of bastards who are an evil curse on our country.
I want to punish these bunch of power hungry good for nothing Morons in public, by whipping their dirty asses so hardly or chopping their heads off…..
Sahih kaha hai kissi nay Gandoo Army hai yai, Taqatwar kai agay Patloon geeli ho jati hai in logo ki, i want to abuse them more but what is stopping me is i am a civilian and i am not safe.
agar aap ya main army main hote aur hamara taqatwar ka saamna hota to hamari bi patloon geeli hoti, kyun k aap aur humm sub issi mitti k hain. Pakistan ki hifazat humm sub k zimmay hai, laikin agar humm army main jaana nai chahtay, ya select na howay, to apnay naseeb ki baat hai.
Jawwad
Exactly, the clean come-out of Nawaz Sharif from ALL cases is an example. Aakhir namak ka haq ada kar hi dia with honesty!
One can very well analyse the mental status and moral standard of those who are opposing Pak Army. Good job. This forum is the best place to prove that.
hahahahahahahahahahaha!
MQM had the same kind of mental status and moral standards 10 years ago.i wonder what make you people to fall in love with a most corrupt and authoritarian institution of pakistan.
@ pakistani.
i have exactly the same opinion.
@ unaiza.
a very decent and logical way to carry an argument..i appreciate
@ jawaad
its the lov of our country Pakistan that makes us feel proud of our pakistan army.
well u being in saudia & claiming o b the biggest supporter of shariah cannot agree with imam e Qaba so u need not to give ur example of love , obedience or watever u say.
@noman!
our love for our country make us hate pak army.
i can understand the reason of ur support for pakistan army. after aunty shameem's busniess destroyed by rasikh ul aqeeda muslims, the army mess is the source of bread and butter for you.
but dear!
i do not have that compulsion to tell a lie.
a number of accusations hv ben raised against the pakistan army. i can answer each but each would then require a very long debate . sadly all of us forget that the total manpower of pak armed forces approx 7 lak individuals is based on pakistani citizens.they belong to all stratas of the society. and im not talking abt indian society. they are representation of pakistani society.
meaning therby that they are representatives of us all.
same is the case with police,lawyers , judiciary , beurocracy etc etc etc.
infact all institutions are a reflection of our social mindset . jaisay bohat sai logon ki language unkay backgrounds ka pata deti hai so y crib .
dactar jawad rasikh ul aqeeda muslims?????
r u talking abt those who slit throats and promote suicide bombing or those who wear burqas to hide their criminal faces or those who burn pakistani property. who abduct policemen and train girls to act as ghundas
what a mockery of islam!
aunty shamim. ka i dont know but ghazi k bail pai anay k bad kitnay brothels band karwayay???????
chinese girls utha k apnay mna bhai ko chor dia.
sharia ghunda gardi, narron sai, ya logon ko qadiyani kafir aur ghatia tareen galian denay sai nahi atti.
question 4 u?????????
y despite his public promise did molan burqa not marry aunty shamim despite her public appology ( courtesy dawn news)
cj…waqai namak hilal hain. ab nawaz bilkul dhulay dhulayay newborn hain.
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"they belong to all stratas of the society. and im not talking abt indian society. they are representation of pakistani society"
yeh that is we talking about. they are as corrupt as any other pakistani could be only difference that they are in uniform with guns in hand and are not under civilian control which makes them a most powerful mafia of pakitan. they consider pakistan as their own property.
and this is the topic of current discussion:
"BALATANT LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY"
lolz…. on the other blog the topic was of ghazi rasheed.
dr jawaad for once i would appreciate u for the above post …its in a decent language..good.
well its ur opinion. good enough. but i dont think the same ,doesnt matter as i hv already said so much abt it.
since u hv posted a comment very nicely i wont add anything
but i would only say i lov pakistan and pakistan army .
My heart felt sympathy and apology to Mr. Adnan. It's a shame that army officers of my country (who are paid by our taxes and supposed to serve us) treated a civilian officer on duty in such an undignified manner, and behaved like goondas. With such behavior and already army having a bad name, do they think they will get public support in case there is a war with enemy.
Hope and pray that army higher ups will throw these army offices out and publish the news to make public aware and appreciate that there is someone who is sincere to country and its people. Hope and pray.
Bloody Rascals, Khatay hamara hai aur hamaray he nihatton ko Martay hain, and people expect us to give them respect in return, hell no, i hope there comes a full fledged war in Balochistan with India, we will see how much brave and Capable are these Morons, and i see only people who have personal relations with in this Bhangi Army can ignore their wrong doings, even i also have relations within Pakistan Army many of my cousins and friends are in this Army but still i am not going to stay shut to whatever wrong they do, Buzdil Bhangi Army….
After reading many of your comments, my only feeling is…..
You have a despicable mental state. Such events take place even in normal street fights where a group in strength prevails over the other group or a single individual. I'm sure Mr. Anan too is not that pious. I've had close interaction with many civil services officers and they are famous for their rude behaviour. SO WHAT if someone's notions have been put right by a stronger group. Implicating the entire Army for that is not the right thing to do.
And I'm surprised if you have relations in Army and they have not addressed your mental state as yet. Either you have not expressed your feelings in front of them or they have lost faith in their organization.
The only word for you is ….. COOL IT MAN
Jawwad ji
So a corrupt army officer being in uniform and having gun is more dangerous than a corrupt civil bureaucrat in an office with a pen? Where do you get these ideas from?
Imran bhai
Aap ke dost dehshatgardon ka bhurkas nikal dia masha Allah hamari fouj ne. Aur kitni bahaduri chahiye? Secondly, Indian Army is three times as powerful as ours. It is unrealistic to suggest winning against them. Minimum deterrence is what we expect and this is what we have. When you yourself will be able to claim fighting three people and defeating them, then you can expect the same from Pakistan Army. If you cannot claim to win three attackers, you are yourself bhangi as you suggest.
To Mr Imran,
And may I add here that it was not because of mere lack of strength …. but because of people like YOU that army lost in 1971. Even now you are a better proponent of Indian forces than of Pakistan.
"you are yourself bhangi as you suggest"
unaiza baji!
aap nay to riwayati auraton ki tarah kosna shuroo kar diya hay :)))
i get these ideas when i see the news about land scams, soldiers running the businesses in cities,rtd army officers
on key civilian posts, family of rtd generals living in posh areas of europe, multi million dollars assets of military officers and YET no accountability.
killing the innocent civillians by the reckless and barbaric use of force against millitant.
use of phosphorus bombs,tanks and mortars against women and children of jamia hafsa.
killing of akbar bugti while polticial ways were intact.
the life inside the cantonment and outside the cantonment which provokes the anti army sentiments and sepratist tendencies in the remote areas of sindh, balochistan and NWFP.
we lost our eastern part because of colonial mentality moral decay of pakistan army and use of force with out the court martial of any army officer.
tendency of pakistan army to resolve the restlessness in balochistan against unjustified distibution of wealth and resources with the force.
stories,myths and songs of bravery while failure to stop the drone attacks which is the main reason of turmoil in tribal belt.
selling helpless and innocent civilians to the USA just for dollars.
ever ready to serve their american msters just to get the dollars and good life after retirement.
what is our respect in international community (not more than a foot licking dog)
these are not ideas unaiza baji.
these are shamefull and disgusting ground realities.
and persistant violation of constitution of pakistan.
(violation of the oath)
Jawwad ji
This list is not the answer to my question.
"Aap ke dost dehshatgardon ka bhurkas nikal dia masha Allah hamari fouj ne. Aur kitni bahaduri chahiye?
kisi foj say larhna naheen hay.kisi ko marna naheen hay.
bas drone ko girana hay. ho sakay ga???
So a corrupt army officer being in uniform and having gun is more dangerous than a corrupt civil bureaucrat in an office with a pen?
ofcourse army officer is more dangerous because he is above the law.you can bring any civilian beurocrate to the justice,you can have a trial against him,you can punish him, you can distrain his property BUT you can not touch an army officer. you can't even ask him the questions.
any complain against such officer is just a wastage of time and efforts because you are a "bloody civilian" and you have no right to complain against "god send" army officer.
Unaiza baji, Drone main tu koi baitha bhi nahee hota, Remote Control say Ura rahay hotay hain, aur yaad hai mujhay wo Chief Of Air Staff Rao Qamar Suleman ka Statement (Yai Hifazat karnay walai hain) :D, aur meray dehshatgardoon nay tu apnay say bari fauj say panga laikar kuch tu bahaduri dikhayi hai na (Hatyaar nahee dalai hain un logo nay), 90000 kai bhangiyoon ki tarha, waisay baath meray Dehshatgard dostoon ki nahee ho rahee baath ho rahi thee, Mr Ali Anan Qamar ki ju kai Pakistani Civilian hai.
Ek Gira du Drone aur keh doo US say kai ghalati say Girr Gaya aur Maafi bhi maang loo tu main maan jaonga kai nahee ab bhi kuch damm hai Bhangiyooon main.
Jawad ji
The law however does exclude CJs son Arsalan Iftikhar who enjoys a very lucrid goverment post despite failing the CSS exam twice and scoring awesome 16percent in English. And could you please tell me if you can mess with any PMLN, PPP, MQM, JI, etc activist, not to mention a higher figure, and get yourself spared? I remember a few weeks back a traffic police sergeant was beaten by a ghunda lawyer from the Lawyers movt on just performing his duty. And why forget the loathsome A.A. Kurd who threatened to torch the Supreme court of Pakistan during lawyers street agitation? Is he above the law?
The thing is that they all are the product of this same corrupt society me and you are a part of. That is my point.
unaiza aunty,
I agree with your statement that in Pakistan, every body abuses his authority be it a milkman, postman or army men.
But does that mean that we should accept it as a norm and not speak against it?
Our love for Pakistan does not mean that we turn a blind eye to the abuses and corruption of the SACRED Pakistan Army rather our love for this country makes us to pray that Allah cleanse this army from filth, Ameen.
Listen to this interview and pay attention to Haroon Rashid's question…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/ondemand/urdu/…
Now Brig Imtiaz too has dis-owned Taliban (Afghan Taliban not Pak Taliban) and he conveniently termed them as American Pedawar….Dear Brig who fed you when they were being created????How did you get these big full furnished mansions????
They are not ready to accept their own failures, rather every one who opposes them (PAK ARMY) is just an AGENT OF FOREIGN POWERS, sometimes America, sometimes India….Don't you guys get tired of this rhetoric????
Re:The Hoodlumism of Army Officers and the Blatant Lack of Accountability
Dear Alvi Sahab,
This Brigadier mentioned below was fooling everybody on GEO TV in its program Jirga whereas the numskull host Salim Safi was "Summun, Bukmun, Umyun. The same Brigadier Imtiaz in 2008 had given a complete different interview on 16 and 17 February 2008 on Dawn News Channel Special Program on Election Rigging by ISI. Read..
Brigadier Retd. Imtiaz: Another Multifaceted Fraud.
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/07/brigadie…
Brigadier Imtiaz had openly alleged that Jamat-e-Islami top leadership had accepted Secret Fund from ISI in 1988/1990. I hope Munawwar Hassan will reply to the allegation of Brigadier Imtiaz.
"I hope Munawwar Hassan will reply to the allegation of Brigadier Imtiaz"
syed munawwar hassan ko koee aur kam naheen hay?
dactar sahab apkay swati taliban ko apni bharpoor pitai k bad apki madad ki zarorat hai…app aur apkay mazeed burqa posh jahadi jayein aur poora maza lain inshallah pak fauj apko mayus nahi karay gi aur chataaaaaakh patakhhhhhhh har us jaga karay gi jo apko bohat pasand hain.umeed hai app samjh gayay hon gai :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
iss par apki sharaeeeee supreme court kiun khamosh hai???????
mayb cj fauj k sath hai
ya
fauj cj k sath hai
jaisay app saal bhar sai meray kisi sawal ka jawab nahi dai sakay unaizak questions ( which reflect my opinion) ko parhnay k bad bhi app bhaglain hi jhank rahaey hain…
abhi support mai dactar sahib and inn ki tarh k alim fazil sharaee galam galoch karnay wali apni aukat k sath bahir ajaeyin gai
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no probs!!!!!!! pak fauj zindabad
sorry for all issb rejects:))))))))))))))))
noman!
yeh supreme court ka chanta hay.tthaaaa kar kay lagta hay.sharminda bhee bohat karta hay aur ronay bhee naheen deta.
zor ka jhatka….dheeeeeeray say lagay.
ha ha ha ha
exactly
apnai khabar tou sun li ho gi
apk aik aur molana abdul aziz qali pagri walay jo lal masjid k operation mai directly ghazi aur burqa bhai k spokes man bhi thay aur bahir rotay bhi rahay …ajj arrest ho gayay….polish engineer ko zibah karnay k jurm mai…
ab dekhain sharaee adaltain sharaee jhatkay zati dusmanon ko lagati hai ya mujrimon ko
waisay apko imam e Qaaba k khiyalat parh k sharmindi aur mayusi tou kafi hui ho gi….jo k apki ayein bayein shayein sai zahir bhi hai
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p.s unaiza ch arsalan secured 16 marks not 16 %
sorry 4 all issb rejects 🙂
sorry unaiza u were right it was only in english paper 16%..i believe he was passed in other subjects..maybe on the borderline
Comment by Unaiza Fatima on July 20, 2009 @ 12:37 pm
One can very well analyse the mental status and moral standard of those who are opposing Pak Army. Good job. This forum is the best place to prove that.
yup totally agreed!!!!!!! thts why i keep telling the same to all those who abuse.
Dear Alvi Sahab,
This Brigadier mentioned below was fooling everybody on GEO TV in its program Jirga whereas the numskull host Salim Safi was “Summun, Bukmun, Umyun. At the end of the program Brigadier Imtiaz had again boasted that if he is given another chance, he will again distribute money amongst politicians [like in Mehran Bank Scam] to "save the country" and Salim Safi 'forgot' to ask this question about this news which was relayed by the same GEO TV. By the way Kamran Khan is the creation of Brigadier Imtiaz.
IHC acquits Brig. (R) Imtiaz under NRO Updated at: 1902 PST, Thursday, December 04, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Islamabad High Court (IHC) has exonerated former chief of intelligence bureau, Brig. (Retd.) Imtiaz in illegal assets reference under NRO and also de-frozen his assets. FIA filed cases against Brig. (Retd.) Imtiaz, his son Nadeem and a man named Adnan Khawaja who were later convicted by an Accountability court. Brig. (Retd.) Imtiaz was charged with allegations of owning more assets than what his earnings can justify and that he acquired those assets through unscrupulous means.
Newspaper of GEO TV have no sense at all on one hand they relay above news and on other they also 'publish' this to clean the track record of Brigadier Imtiaz:
Read and Lament [Brigadier Tirmizi had thoroughly exposed these bunch of James Bond i.e. Brigadier Imtiaz, Hamid Gul, Major Amir and General Akhter Abdul Rahman, in his book Profile of Intelligence and by the way Tirmizi was number 2 in ISI much before Brigadier Imtiaz. Brigadier Imtiaz's had gotten his Tamgha Basalat through "Sifarish" and that is also mentioned in Profile of Intelligence and involvement of Hamid Gul in Narcotics Trade.
Shame on The News International as well:
How a jilted Karachi woman saved Pak N-programme
thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22396
Shame on The News International as well:
How a jilted Karachi woman saved Pak N-programme
thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22396
MINOR CORRECTION:
Dick Cheney & Cover-Up!
On the Nuclear Edge published on March 29, 1993,
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1993/03/29/1993_…
Cheney Helped Cover-Up Nuclear Proliferation in 1989, So Pentagon Could Sell Pakistan Fighter Jets By JASON LEOPOLD
Courtesy: Counterpunch [March 2004]
URL: http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold03082004.html
More on Hussain Haqqani, Brigadier Imtiaz and Farooq Laghari:
"QUOTE"
Twelve years later, murder of the ‘Prince’ remains a mystery By Aroosa Masroor Saturday, September 20, 2008
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=136…
Five months later in February 1997, Benazir Bhutto, clarified the same before a three-member judicial tribunal headed by Justice Nasir Aslam Zahid, as a witness. She accused President Farooq Leghari of using Brig Imtiaz, who led an intelligence agencies, of hatching a conspiracy against the Bhuttos and especially to incite hatred against her. “First they killed Shahnawaz and blamed Murtaza for his murder and now they have targeted him and my husband, Zardari, is being co-accused,” she was stated as saying.
New NA sets anti-Musharraf tone, softly but firmly Tuesday, March 18, 2008 http://www.thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=13629
Haqqani, a lethal propagandist, closely worked with Nawaz for years, but the latter’s well-placed distrust led him to get rid of Haqqani during his rule in a decent manner. There are multitudes of interesting anecdotes involving Haqqani, who does too many things at a time. Way back in 1993, to get him out of his office, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had appointed his special assistant on foreign media Haqqani as Pakistan’s high commissioner to Sri Lanka. At the time, the tension between Nawaz and the then chief of the Army staff Gen Asif Nawaz Janjua was at its peak and both sides were mulling extreme action to ditch the other. When Haqqani had met Intelligence Bureau (IB) Director Brig (retd) Imtiaz during his customary calls on important government personalities before taking his ambassadorial assignment, the IB chief gave him a highly loaded written questionnaire with a recording device to be secretly used by him when he would meet the Army chief a few days later. He was asked to bring the recorded answers to him. As Haqqani entered the general’s room at the General Headquarters for the call on him, he put the recording instrument and questions before him, saying he had been given all this by Imtiaz and forced to secretly record his answer. This further fuelled tension between the two."
"UNQUOTE"
Brig Imtiaz granted bail on medical groundsBy Our Staff Reporter May 22, 2002
http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/22/nat47.htm
LAHORE, May 21: Intelligence Bureau former director Brig Imtiaz (retired) was on Tuesday allowed bail on medical grounds by an accountability appellate bench of the Lahore High Court.He was asked to execute two bail bonds in the sum of Rs20 million each and his name was ordered to be placed on the exit control list. Serving term at Adiala Jail, Brig Imtiaz said in his application that he was suffering from angina and other ailments which could not be treated in the jail hospital.He was convicted by a Rawalpindi accountability court for possessing property entirely beyond known sources of his income.
yaar bhai bus karo these army men are our brothers ager sagay nahi tu muslim bhai tu hain. and v all are not inocent. ask the mothers of these guy what happens when they go in field. you are sitting in your AC rooms and commenting kabhi 10 min dhoop main baitho tu pata chalay. and these men are living away from their beloved families which sometimes make them frustrated. you yourself think how many timea aday you abuse the person weaker than you did any one tried slaping a man sitting in BMW everyone kicks the ass of bicycle rider. you urself abuse the person if he comes infront of ur car and doesnt giv you the way. may be their was a same reason wich made them frustrated.
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
great interview by dear musharraf yesterday @ aaj.lets c him come back and rescue pakistan once again frm the current depths of despair.
answered all allegations beautifully esp bijli chori & lal mosque.
salute to the heroes of pakistan army who embraced shahadat in lal mosque operation, swat , fata & elsewhere.
salute to all the civillians who have put pakistan first. down with all the KHABEES as stated by musharraf be it in lal mosque or anywhere else in pakistan
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civillian pen pushers like our so called azad judiciary has declared the man guity before trial…wow.
kia adal hai
the nutty judge frm lhr and the still nutier choudharies and ramdays including their paisa bhai lord nazir are really doing halal with the money benefits taken from nawaz sharif.
in sub k nazdeek pakistan waqai khappay
economy down frm 8 to 2 % …what an acheivement.
if we talk abt justice and believe that martial laws and pcos are wrong then iftikhar ch shd be tried under article 6 for abetting a crime by declaring musharraf step of overthrowing nawaz as vaild.
tab cheif justice bana tha ab bhi nokri piyari hai.
what a mockery when the courts are already sold out . what a mockery they are again trying to focus on non issues just to please their pay masters.
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sufi muhammad arrested .
lets hope he along with all mullahas criminal who work against pakistan are hung in public. treason is a high crime.
the govt says tht their mukadmas cases should b run in sharaee courts hahaha . lets hope they include all shariat loving molvis i.e the socalled ninja turtles hero molvi burqa etc etc…
but maybe they want only their own shariat which promotes suicide bombing, slaughtering , abduction burning etc etc
now lets c them objecting to any lesser punishment than the ones which they chose for others.
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really sorry 4 all issb rejects :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0
This is what they are paid for my friend, free main Chokidari kartay tu phir aap keh saktay thay kai, Dhoop main baithay hain aur ghar bar chor kar baitay hain, paisay laikar bhi tu yai log Borders par nahee baitthay aur public ko pareshan kartay hain. 🙂
90, 000 choriyaan pehennay walai pehlai kudh ko Male Category sabith karain phir main bhai maan loonga, ab tak tu behn ki category main bhi count nahee hotay yai..
Dear Love Pak Army,
I was referring to some Corrupt Officers of Pakistan Army not the common soldiers [Poor and Hapless]
For your kind perusal,
Late. General Asif Nawaz Janjua, NI(M), SBt (Bar), afwc, psc (3 January 1937 – 8 January 1993) was the 10th Chief of Army Staff of the Pakistan Army from August 16, 1991 till January 8, 1993.The untimely demise of General Asif Nawaz fuelled much controversy, with FIRs being filed against Brigadier Imtiaz, the then Director Intelligence Bureau. The issue gathered momentum following General Nawaz's widow Nuzhat Janjua's filed a formal complaint to the then President Ghulam Ishaq Khan about the unnatural circumstances surrounding her husband's death.
The Chief of Army Staff, General Asif Nawaz had begun to feel upset at many of Sharif's moves, most significant of them being his attempts to create rifts within the Army. Chaudhry Nisar Ahmad and Brig. Imtiaz, the former ISI chief, were even accused by the late General of threatening to turn him into another Gul Hasan, the army chief who was sacked by Z.A. Bhutto and bundled into a car by Ghulam Mustafa Khar and taken to Lahore by road. It is said that just when General Mirza Aslam Beg was about to topple Nawaz Sharif at the fag end of his tenure in 1991, President Ghulam Ishaq Khan agreed to name General Asif Nawaz as the new COAS, three months before he was to take over. Just when General Asif Nawaz was getting seriously worried about the Nawaz Sharif government, he died quite suddenly in January, 1993Reference: Saga of intrigue and deceit by Shaheen Shebai – Dawn – 27.5.1993 / ISLAMIC PAKISTAN: ILLUSIONS & REALITY By Abdus Sattar Ghazali
Genuine differences of opinion are one thing but when professional and personal jealousies cloud the thinking of the intelligence officers, the working relations can breakdown very quickly paralyzing the whole organization. One outgoing Director of Counter Intelligence Bureau of ISI (Tirmazi) has these words for his successor (Imtiaz), ‘I would personally inclined to agree that General Akhtar, to square-off some of his personal grievances against General Chisti, could have asked my successor, Brigadier Imtiaz to place General under occasional watch. Imtiaz was the kind who was always on the lookout to undertake such dirty jobs’. Immersed in self-righteous attitude, deterioration of professional codes and clouding of perspectives of intelligence officers can occur quite dramatically. One example will show the slippery slope of such intelligence matters. Colonel Shuja Khanzada served in ISI for 12 years. In the last two years of his service, he was posted to a cushy appointment in Pakistan embassy in Washington. He had some differences with the ambassador and was called back to Pakistan in 1994 on orders of then Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. Politicization of intelligence officers in inevitable when they are tasked with political duties while wearing the uniform. After shedding their uniform, these officers align with various political actors for political and personal reasons. Lt. General Khawaja Muhammad Azhar served in ISI during General Muhammad Ayub Khan’s Martial Law. In this capacity, he personally interrogated many prominent people who were not considered loyal to Ayub. After retirement he joined a religio-political party Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Pakistan and served as the party’s Secretary General and Vice President. Former DG ISI Hameed Gul, former Additional Director of Political wing of ISI Brigadier Imtiaz Ahmad and head of Islamabad section Major Amir were involved in cobbling the opposition to Pakistan’s Peoples Party. Later, they were implicated in trying to organize a no confidence motion against first Benazir government (1988-1990). Reference: Brigadier ® Syed A. I. Tirmazi. Profiles of Intelligence. (Lahore: Combined Printers, 1995, Second Edition)/Pakistan: State at a Crossroads by Mohsin Hamid
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yaar bhai bus karo these army men are our brothers ager sagay nahi tu muslim bhai tu hain. [Love Pak Army]
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Dear Sir,
No doubt Army is an essential institution for any country but Poor Pakistani People dont pay them for doing and saying this!! Hamid Gul thinks that Brigadier Imtiaz [who was once under Gul] works for Jews????
ISLAMABAD: Former Chief of the Inter-Services Intelligence Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul said the Jews have played a role in the campaign initiated by Brig. Imtiaz Billa to demonize him.
Read the details of Dirty Work:
General (R) Hamid Gul, Brigadier (R) Imtiaz & Jews
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/07/general-…
some body is not feeling well.
ha ha ha
@amir mughal!
suck the brain out.
WHAT HAS DA ISPR TO SAY ABOUT THIS
These TV Journalists [Salim Safi Type] of nowadays don't even bother to even read the past history of the person they usually interview and that was the case of Brigadier Imtiaz in GEO TV Program Jirga.
Ex-IB chief gets eight years' RI in graft case by Staff
Reporter – DAWN WIRE SERVICE – Week Ending : 4 August 2001 Issue : 07/31 http://www.lib.virginia.edu/area-studies/SouthAsi…
RAWALPINDI, July 31: Former Intelligence Bureau chief Brig Imtiaz Ahmad was sentenced to eight years' rigorous imprisonment and fined Rs7.1 million in a corruption case, by the Judge, accountability court III, Sakhi Hussain Bokhari.
The co-accused, Adnan A. Khwaja, was awarded two years' RI and fined Rs200,000 and Nadeem Imtiaz,son of the ex-IB chief, was sentenced to three years' RI under, section 31(a) of the NAB Ordinance, in absentia. The court directed Brig Imtiaz, who served as the director-general, IB, during the Nawaz Sharif government, to pay the fine within one month. He court also ordered forfeiture of all the properties, acquired in his name or in the name of his dependants, in favour of the government.
The Islamabad properties, which will be confiscated, include house No 286 F-10/4, unit No 2 and 9, at I-S Plaza, F-10 Markaz; house No 7, Street No 20, F-7/2; and house No 6 on the 9th avenue, F-8/2.
The court granted the benefit of section 382(b) to both the
convicts, which means that the conviction will be counted from May 26, 2000, the day on which the former IB chief was arrested. Brig Imtiaz was charged with amassing assets, both movable and immovable, which were disproportionate to his known source of income. The properties were in his own name and in the names of his wife, son ( Nadeem) and his front men, including Adnan and approvers Abdul Ghaffar Chauhan and Shamshad Ali.
The accused had also acquired properties as Benamidars and
possessed foreign exchange bearer certificates, worth Rs20 million, which had been encashed by him, according to the case. Later, Brig Imtiaz told reporters that he would challenge his conviction in the high court, and added that, in his view, the punishment awarded by the court was quite stringent.
He claimed that his conscience was clear as he had never committed any crime or compromised on principles. "During my 17 years of professional career, I served this country without fear or favour and countered both internal and external threats against the country and never allowed my personal interest or family matters to interfere in my duties," he observed. He said he had no remorse for the troubles he was in or hardships his family was facing, because he had always considered his job a sacred duty.
Bhi Amir Mughal,
Your absence was a a great pleasure. Looks like you spend less time on your own blog and more time on Teethos blogs…or you simply post your blogs here too….
Honestly, no one has time to read your plethora of consipracy theories. People have other important things in life to read or care about.
If you can not make a point in 3,4 lines, please be polite to others and refrain from posting your blogs as comments here.
to read your plethora of consipracy theories. [Ajmal]
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Dear Ajmal Sahab,
For your kind perusal,
May please be read in the light of the subject of the topic and its not from my blog.
Pakistani Military used to Support Taliban, Several Sectarian Outfits and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba before 911? And while the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi stand officially disbanded, their most militant son and leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, an accused in several cases of sectarian killing, contested elections from jail – albeit as an independent candidate – won his seat, and was released on bail shortly thereafter. Musharraf rewrote election rules to disqualify former Prime Ministers Mohammed Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, and threatened to toss them in jail if they returned from abroad, which badly undermined both Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League and Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP). Musharraf has plainly given the religious groups more free rein in the campaign than he has allowed the two big parties that were his main rivals. In Jhang city, in Punjab province, Maulana Azam Tariq, leader of an outlawed extremist group called Sipah-e-Sahaba, which has been linked to numerous sectarian killings, is being allowed to run as an independent despite election laws that disqualify any candidate who has criminal charges pending, or even those who did not earn a college degree. "It makes no sense that Benazir can't run in the election," says one Islamabad-based diplomat, "and this nasty guy can."
References: And this takes me back to Pervez Musharraf’s first visit to the US after his coup. At a meeting with a group of journalists among whom I was present, my dear and much lamented friend Tahir Mirza, then the Dawn correspondent, asked Musharraf why he was not acting against Lashkar-e Tayba and Jaish-e Muhammad. Musharraf went red in the face and shot back, “They are not doing anything in Pakistan. They are doing jihad outside.”
Pakistani neocons and UN sanctions Khalid Hasan This entry was posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 6:00 pm.
http://www.khalidhasan.net/2008/12/28/pakistani-n…
For The 'General' Good By Sairah Irshad Khan Monthly Newsline January 2003
http://www.newsline.com.pk/newsJan2003/cover1jan2… –
General's Election By TIM MCGIRK / KHANA-KHEL Monday, Oct. 07, 2002
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,…
to read your plethora of consipracy theories. [Ajmal]
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Dear Ajmal Sahab,
These are also not from my blog rather news from Daily Newspapers!!!!
A glimpse right after 9/11:
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"ISI Chief Lt-Gen. Mahmoud's week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council. Officially, he is on a routine visit in return to CIA Director George Tenet's earlier visit to Islamabad. Official sources confirm that he met Tenet this week. He also held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. One can safely guess that the discussions must have centred around Afghanistan . . . and Osama bin Laden. What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, Mahmoud's predecessor, was here, during Nawaz Sharif's government, the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days." [Amir Mateen, ISI Chief's Parleys continue in Washington, News Pakistan, 10 September 2001.]
In the afternoon, Mahmood was invited to CIA headquarters at Langley, Virginia, where he told George Tenet, the CIA director, that in his view Mullah Omar, the Taliban chief, was a religious man with humanitarian instincts and not a man of violence! This was a bit difficult for the CIA officials to digest and rightly so as the Taliban’s track record, especially in the realm of human rights, was no secret. General Mahmood was told politely but firmly that Mullah Omar and the Taliban would have to face US Military might if Osama Bin Laden along with other Al-Qaeda leaders were not handed over without delay. To send the message across clearly, Richard Armitage held a second meeting with Mahmood the same day, informing him that he would soon be handed specific American demands, to which Mahmood reiterated that Pakistan would cooperate. {Bush at War by Bob Woodward, published by Simon & Schuster, 2002, New York}, p 32. {Pakistan: Eye of the Storm by Owen Bennett Jones, published by New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 2002}, p. 2.
General Mahmood on September 13, 2001, was handed a formal list of the US demands by Mr. Armitage and was asked to convey these to Musharraf and was also duly informed, for the sake of emphasis, that these were “not negotiable.” Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, and the assisstant secretary of state, Christina Rocca, had drafted the list in the shape of a “non-paper”. It categorically asked Pakistan:
Stop Al-Qaeda operatives coming from Afghanistan to Pakistan, intercept arms shipments through Pakistan, and end ALL logistical support for Osama Bin Laden.
Give blanket overflight and landing rights to US aircraft.
Give the US access to Pakistani Naval and Air Bases and to the border areas betweeen Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Turn over all the intelligence and immigration information.
Condemn the September 11 attacks and curb all domestic expressions of support for terrorism.
Cut off all shipments of fuel to the Talibans, and stop Pakistani volunteers from going into Afghanistan to join the Taliban. Note that, should the evidence strongly implicate Osama Bin Laden and the Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan, and should the Taliban continue to harbour him and his accomplices, Pakistan will break diplomatic relations with the Taliban regime, end support for the Taliban, and assist the US in the aforementioned ways to destroy Osama and his network.
Having gone through the list, Mahmood declared that he was quite clear on the subject and that “he knew how the President thought, and the President would accept these points.” {Bush at War by Bob Woodward, published by Simon & Schuster, 2002, New York}, p 58-59. Interview: Richard Armitage, “Campaign Against Terror,” PBS (Frontline), April 19, 2002}
Mahmood then faxed the document to Musharraf. While the latter was going through it and in the process of weighing the pros and cons of each demand, his aide de camp that Colin Powell was on the line. Musharraf liked and respected Powell, and the conversation was not going to be a problem. He told him that he understood and appreciated the US position, but he would respond to the US demands after having discussed these with his associates. Powell was far too polite to remind him that he in fact was the government, but did inform him that his General in Washington had already assured them that these demands would be acceptable to the government of Pakistan. {Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism : Allah, the Army, and America’s War on Terror by Hassan Abbas, published by An East Gate Book , M.E. Sharpe Armonk, New York. London, England.}.
'Wo eent se eent baja dein gay’, ISI DG told Musharraf Monday, September 25, 2006
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200…
WASHINGTON : Richard Armitage, Daily Times can confirm, did not use the words attributed to him by President Pervez Musharraf in a CBS 60 Minutes interview, namely that unless Pakistan did American bidding, it will be bombed into the “stone age”. However, neither the President of Pakistan, nor Richard Armitage, who has denied using such language, nor President Bush who said he was “taken aback” when he learnt what had been said, is being untruthful. What actually happened was that after his meeting with Richard Armitage, Lt Gen Mahmood Ahmed – who now wears a long, white beard and has reportedly gone Tableeghi – called Gen Musharraf from the Pakistan embassy in Washington. The conversation took place in Urdu and when the president asked him what the bottom line of the American message was, Gen Mahmood replied in Urdu that the Americans were intent on the removal of the Taliban regime and would not let Pakistan stand in their way and if Pakistan did not fall in line and cooperate, “wo hamari eent se eent baja dey gain” or words to that effect. That being so, President Musharraf’s recollection of the conversation with Gen Mahmood, who was then the director general of the ISI, is accurate, only he translated into English what he had been told in Urdu. It is time for Gen Mahmood to go on record and reproduce exactly the words in which he conveyed the Armitage message to Gen Musharraf on that September day five years ago. khalid hasan
@amir musghal!
aata hay sultani e jamhoor ka zamana
jo naqsh e kohan tum ko nazar aaey mita do
Amir Mughal,
My applogies, I didn't realize that we Pakistanis are made of "Chikni Mitti" and "Kalam-e-narm o Nazuk , Bey-Asar".
My bad.