Over the past many years there has been a strong lobby of Baluchistan Separatists Movement who strive to separate the Province of Baluchistan from Pakistan. The efforts in recent times have gained significant foot hold to become the talk of the town in recent few months, Patriotic Pakistanis are generally averse to this proposition while the corrupt politicians continue to strangulate the province forcing the Baluchis to struggle for an independent Baluchistan.
A few years back in 2006 US Armed Forces Journal published a map outlining the new Blood Borders which discussed the possibility of a seperate Baluchistan, this map was met with severe outcry across Pakistan. The pros and cons of such a division are still heavily debated and only until recently has it started taking a turn for the worse
A reader of this blog, Basit, pointed about a surprising discovery in one of the forms published on the USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) website, the form under question is the AR-11 [Change of Address] form which is used by non US Nationals to notify the USCIS of any change in address. Surprisingly the field “Country of Citizenship” lists Baluchistan (Pakistan) as an option. Within the list of countries listed, I was relieved to see Pakistan still listed, but cant seem to understand why they chose to list Baluchistan alone and conveniently forgot to list the more populus of our other three provinces like Sindh, Punjab or even NWFP.
It could very well be an accidental error, it could also be a list of the most often used terms that people use to fill out this USICS form, or it could very well be a direct indication of things to come, a suggestion that Baluchistan may very well become a country separated from Pakistan.
The issue of Baluchistan being such a sensitive topic I believe the inclusion must touch a very sensitive nerve and should be condemned across the board, with the hope that the Pakistani diplomatic envoys [hopefully they have some balls] to challenge the US officials for an offical apology and an immediate removal.
Credit Basit
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186 responses to “US Immigration Form lists Baluchistan as Country of Citizenship”
Pakistan is the nation which always uses the islamic agenda to promote their causes..Theres no denying that the money for developing nuclear bomb came from other mnuslim nations..But pakistan robbed money from other muslim nations by calling its programme *the islamic bomb*..
I know that pakistan is not an islamic nation but only uses islam as agenda..I knew it after pakistan praised china for killing muslims in xinjiang..
SHAME on you Pakistan. What this Pakistan is?
Balochistan is the most neglected and most ignored state in pakistan they should free themself from pakistan which only tap their rescourses.. VIVA Liberated Baluchistan
If a PHD in philosophy, Dr Muhammad Allama Iqbal think that Pakistan is a Nation, I think we should listen to him more than a Jahil Gawnar stupid like you. And in this discussion, from where Islamic bomb came from? Thats why i said you are a RAW or Israeli agent whose problem is Islam and not Pakistan. And Thats why you need to be traced and killed.
How good a Muslim is will be judged on Judgement day by God. An asshole like you don't have any justification to declare if others are Muslims or not. I don't know if somebody gave us money for bomb but if if they did they know what they were doing.
Remember, a country cannot give you something just for nothing. You have to work hard and smart to make yourself prosper. If you do nothing and then be a loser in life, it is not fault of people of Punjab or NWFP. Go get qualified and compete in market.
I am not talking about bomb or etc. I am just saying Pakistan uses Islam as a tool to further its interest.ALhemduALLLAH I am Muslim and I love ISLAM. The above post I posted to show you how much Pakistan is Islamic? ISLAM is used by Pakistan as tool. Pakistan is black spot on name of greatest religion of Islam. Well Dr. Iqbal never said Pakistan is nation, he said Muslim ummah is nation. For Qualification we need good colleges and well-equipped universities, For 50 years there was 1 university, from where qualification will come? I strongly advocate liberation of all Muslim people, Kashmire should get liberation, so does Baluchistan. Its there birth right. Long live Islam, Long Live AZAD BALUCHISTAN.
There is nothing wrong in "Islamic bomb". The thing is its not Islamic bomb. It is just for Pakistan. Pakistan will never use it on Israel.Pakistan is country no sane body can understand. Its not Islamic, Its not national, then what is it? I am really confused.
Co-operation is something different. Pakistan did not sign any treaty with Muslim countries for gaining support from them in order to accomplish its nuclear bomb.PAKISTAN begged them for help, terming its bomb Islamic, which is Islamic by no mean. I am against division of Muslim ummah. But do you have plan of forming pan global Islamic state? Can you bring all Muslim state with in one fold. If so, I will stop saying AZAD BALUCHISTAN. But if you don’t have plan then why to keep Baluchistan? AND in world if there would ever be Islamic union , we as a Muslim country would join it. Baluchistan is our land, we make it hell or heaven, its our problem. We become Like Ethiopian or Like German. SHOW me the predication by any book, which says after getting Independence Baluchistan WILL BE LIKE Ethiopia? I have already told u what Baluchistan will be after getting Independence. Here it is. In the context of Balochistan, one would like to refer back to the 2015 NIC report. It forecast a Yugoslavia-like fate for Pakistan. The military operation that has been put in motion would further distance Baloch people from rest of the country. That perhaps is the plan. This brings me to an interesting observation in a book by Abul Maali Syed “The Twin Era of Pakistan-Democracy and Dictatorship” (1992). The caption of his First Chapter is 2006 and its opening para is as follows: “Who would have believed that Balochistan, once the least-populated and poorest province of Pakistan, would become independent and the third richest oil-producing country after Saudi Arabia and Kuwait”.
SO please stop spreading false things Baluchistan will be like this, Baluchistan will be like that. IF you have prove then show us. But making claims out of nowhere I don’t thing is suitable for People like you. IF you have well-known evidence of what Baluchistan will be like, then share it with us. And as I already told you, ALLAH knows Future.No body else. Other all are predications. I never said Pakistani are not Muslim, I said Pakistan is non Muslim. AZAN are heard everywhere, ALHEMDUALLAH. AZANS are heard in India, in america. People Keep fast in India ,america too. People go to HAJJ from India, america too. It doesn’t make a state a ISLAMIC.LAWS here are non- Islamic. People who are asking for Shria law are ruthlessly being crushed. SO where is Islam? People are sold for dollars in Pakistan to america. This is Islam of Pakistan. Pakistan has got nothing to do with Islam. Pakistan survival is curse for humanity as it spreads terrorism around the world and is responsible for killing innocents. SO Let make Baluchistan a country’s a hope for balochis as well as for world. long Live azad baluchistan
In the world there is always co-operation between countries look at European Union. Stronger countries helping the weak countries for their economic uplift. So if Muslim countries made financial contribution towards bomb i dont see any problem. Although i think the challenge was more intellectual than finacial. In Pakistan there is no place where sound of Azan is not heard. You are against this country and you are with hindus, israelis and want to bring their dream of further division of Muslim Ummah and creating problems for Muslim countries. In my opinion you will burn in hell but only God know how to treate you. Our responsibility as Pakistani is just to kill you and then God will decide about you.
Pakistan is not using Islam as a tool. It is understood Muslim brothers will help each other rather than instigating fitnas as you idiot is doing.
If there is no university, its your sardards fault and whoever was people you chose to represent you. they are nakamaz or didnot want to educate you sheeps. Punjabis are not responsible for your stupidity.
I personally have no problem with Azad Balochistan because nobody want shit fucks like you, but it will be bad for country and religion. Jews and west will come and sit on our head and on Iran's head. Moreover, I don't want to see Ethiopia as our neighbor. Afghanistan is a pain for Pakistan and you will become just same warring bunch and another Afghanistan. When you wont have anything to eat, you will start looting as Ethopians are looting trade ships that are passing near their country.
Those who are sitting in cabinet or in assembly are puppet. They have no power. There only fault is that they are not resigning and supporting subjugation of baloch people and baloch land. These ISI- paid people are present every where.In simple Military and ISI controls Baluchistan, or baloch belt of Baluchistan.Puppet are puppet
How can you say Pakistan exporting terrorist when you yourself is terrorist?
I am sure you don't have any brain, but try to think about this.You are not accepting that a natural resource is property of the Government you are part of.If you become separate country(that is only possible if you defeat Pakistan army), then how will you accept that natural resource is property of your Government? Your problem will stay the same. your real problem is your mind is stuck to a tribal past.You cannot think of anyone else than your own tribe.Why people of Sibi will share their gas field with people of rest of Balochistan? And the internet you are using? Why you are using it when it is Government of Pakistan who put the Telecom infrastructure for you.Why they put Telecom infrastructure for you?
Muslim Umma cannot be together because of assholes like you. May God burn you in Hell forever. If you cannot live peacefully withing Muslims in your country, how can you live with Muslims of world over. Your mind is capable of breaking like a child instead of building things with wisdom.
What if Muhajirs want to control the sea port of Pakistan in order to become prosper, Pathans want to control all the rivers, border with afghanistan, Sindhis and Punjabis will want to control the coal and other natural reserves they have, don't you see any problem in that anarchic situation? what your small mind says about this scenario?
A nuclear bomb has to be tested somewhere, and if India do it in Rajistan we do it in Balochistan because both have similar terrain(useless land).
You have Gas and not oil, so don't make stupid comments about oil or becoming another Saudi Arabia. Engines run on oil so it is difficult to survive without that, but within decade, electric cars will be all around. As far as Gas is concerned which makes you so proud to possess, It is very easy to survive without Gas if it becomes unavialable. You have a mind of a chicken. I hope somebody will trace you out by your IP address and pull trigger in your mouth. I am sure you will go to Hell for creating problems for other muslims through your stupidity.
Bengais wanted to be separate from Pakistan. I severe to God they are a Ghatia nasal. I met lot of them in Europe and they looked miserbale and they had feeble minds. ionly indians looked more ugly than them. These machairas thought they مچیر ا س thought they will become super power and it is we who are holding them back. I severe to God they are feeble minded and ugly looking losers. Moreover they dont have good characters. they have low confidence and self esteem. While Pakistan has become nuclear power, there is no achievement on parts with Bengalis. Unki shakal say lanat barasti hay. Look at their cricket team.Look at their performance while we have won world cup. Same will happen to you.
Personally I think we should get rid of backward narrow minded losers like you although it will be a victory of Jews, Indians and west like it was 1971. But we are living wihtout Begalis and we will live without you.
I am accepting everything is property of Baluch people. I am accepting Gas is property of Baluch people, not of only Bughti tribe(Sui gas field) or of Khosa, Umrani tribe(Uch gas field). It is property of all baloch people living in State of Baluchistan.It does not belong to one particular tribe.If we are tribal people, then why we gave gas to whole Pakistan.For internet, I am paying, many Pakistani are using it in Canada too, even with out being citizen of Canada. AND, yes Pakistan exports terrorism in World. Rashid Rauf is transatlantic bomber,7/7. It is established fact ha has links with ISI, Pakistan notorious secret agency, which facilitated his escape from Jail, otherwise how could he have escaped.Pakistan army is having alleged links with Taliban in Afghanistan. Pakistan is deeply involved in destabilization of Afghanistan. Here is what Newyork Time says. Jalil spoke tentatively at first, but his story was electrifying. Jalil and eight other Afghans, he said, were paid to throw acid on the girls by an intelligence officer working for the government of Pakistan. This was not some vague assertion; Jalil provided names, details and places. The camera zoomed in on his face. A few weeks before the attack, Jalil said ,http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/magazine/23school-t.html?pagewanted=all girls. Here is the site of it for further evidence. SO stop saying Pakistan does not export terrorism. KASHMIRIS are also using internet service put by Indian government, reading in universities made by Indian government. And i think you have not read geographical survey of Pakistan , plz check it too.
Oil and Gas, both offshore and onshore, can generate a major portion of the total annual revenue for Balochistan. According to the Geological Survey of Pakistan (GSP), it was estimated during their offshore exploration that there are reserves of 19 trillion cubic feet of gas and 6 trillion barrels of oil in Balochistan. The GSP research confirms large reservoirs of unexplored onshore oil and gas in Balochistan, especially in Panjgur, Lasbella, Kharan, Kalat and Marri districts.
Although Saudi Arabia generates 10 million bbl/day of oil, smaller oil producing countries like Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Nigeria, UAE, and Venezuela produce between 2 to 4 million bbl/day. Balochistan has a potential of producing 2 million bbl/day in a very short period of time. At the current crude oil prices of $70/bbl, Balochistan can generate $140 million per day or approximately $40 billion per year in revenue!
SO we have gas. PLZ enhance your study. Bangladesh . hahah
Only sane people like you can compare Baluchistan with Bangladesh. HAHAH. EVERYBODY knows East Pakistan(now Bangladesh) has more population than west Pakistan( now Pakistan). Prosperity of the nation depends of resources propionate with population. Every body knows we have small population. AS u said in your last lines, You can live with out us, and throughout all my posts I said, we can live with out you, then what is the problem, come on man, hug and say Good bye to each other, Long LIVE AZAD BALUCHISTAN.
There is sane say" Present is the biggest truth". You are saying there will be electric cars in decades.May be but who knows Future? Petrol cars are bought at low price, Pakistani by dint of meager economic condition of their country can not even buy these petrol run cars, how can the purchase electric cars? Electric cars are much much much expensive then petrol ones.
IF there would ever be "union of Muslim countries". INSHALLAH we will be joining it as a status of Muslim country. I am not against union of Muslim UMMAH, I support it with deepness of my heart and pray for it. Formation of Baluchistan country is in interest of Muslims and non Muslims alike. SO Its my appeal to Muslims and Non Muslims to facilitate the formation of republic of Baluchistan in the larger interest of world and also Muslim Ummah.VIVA INDPENDED BALUCHISTAN
If world is sincere is in eliminating terrorism then the only solution is to divide Pakistan. Baluchistan, Sindhodesh, Punjabistan,JINNAHPUR, Independed Kashmire. Here is the video of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHQKYswWk4I. Long Live AZAD BALUCHISTAN
SK baloch,tum geological survey kee report perh ker pagal kuttay ho chukay ho aur tum pagal kuttay kee taran hee maro gay.kuttay kee taran bhonkna band karo aur damagh say kaam lo.
About electric car, only foolish idiots like you look at present. We should look at history and have vision of future. Petro cars are cheap now because they are mass produced. Every technology in beginning is expensive and as it gets markets, it price gradually comes with increasing volume. So saying some technology will not be wide spread is stupid but that I can expect from pagal kutta like you. Remember PC prices in 90s and now? How cheap it is now PC as compared to 90s?
If Gas is not property of people of SIBI district, then Gas is not property of people of Balochistan.It is property of people of Pakistan. It is useless to expect any logical thinking from dumb asshole like you,but try to grasp the similarity. If a Gas belong to people of Balochistan,then by your logic it belongs to people of Sibi. Isn't it? People of Sibi should sell gas to you and rest, and when the gas runs out, they will become poor again. This is your stupid way of thinking.
Also only an asshole like you who is a RAW or MOSAD agent can site an article from New York Times when we know they are enemies of Islam.
My point about internet is that you are using services of Government of Pakistan against whom you are barking like a mad dog. They built Telco infrastructure for you as part of public services and it has developed infrastructure to make good use of gas as long as it is available.
About your calculations of expected oil and gas revenues, you forgot to mention any costs, and what customers will you have? Middle East, Pakistan, Iran and Russian States have good reserves of gas themselevs.
Gas will be needed by India and China and you have to cross Pakistan in both cases. Since only possibility to get independent Balochistan is by defeating Pakistan, do you think we will allow you to pass your gas pipelines from Pakistan after you kill millions of Pakistanis? And defeating Pakistan will not be possible for sheeps like you. So we are just wasting our time here.
Go get a life and find useful work if you want to get prosper.
When you talk about electric i chuckle. See you rails, these are those which were made by Englishmen for you, You will make electric cars,hahah, but day dreaming is good thing, continue.You are talking about electric cars, and your country can not supply proper electricity to household. It would be tough challenge for counties like Pakistan, even if managed to have electric cars, its not our headache, not at all, go and have it. Well I think you are yourself being stupid, Baluchistan is not country having only Gas, it has many more resources, Gold, copper, aluminium, diamond,petrol,coal, world deepest feasible warm water port. You have typical Pakistani thinking, which makes me laugh. NYT is best news paper in world, in this article NYT did not even used word Islam, it just told truth about the Pakistan. Where is the word Islam in this article? Baluchistan will not be a country only depending on gas.It has many more resources too. AND when I listen about the economic of Pakistan, I deeply laugh out. If you People have to beg for economical survival of your country then why you formed this country. Tokyo international donor conference, kerry=luger bill so on. Pakistan, economically is more joke less country. It just depended on international stipends, IMF, INTERNATIONAL DONORS, AMERICA AID, few to name. HAHA. About internet I ALREADY told you, Kashmiri People are using internet in Kashmire put by Indian government, why then they are fighting for liberation of there land. I am not advocating Baluchistan's liberation solely on economic deprivation base, it has link with history, national identity to economical deprivation. Well when you said you Have no problem With Azad Baluchistan, then i am saying you again, what is the problem then. Let say Good bye. AND give your full consent to azad Baluchistan. Oil customer? World is oil customer. We have Gawader port, we can ship oil through Gawader port. AND once more time, Its not your worry.Just chill up and Work for Azad Baluchistan.Wsalam
A short history of Gawadar
Gawadar,and 800 km squared of coastal territory was bought by Pakistan from Oman for all of pakistan in the 1950s…not for a punjabi,pathan,sindhi or Baloch but for all Pakistanis…and hence all of the nation of Pakistan is its rightful owner..
Baluchistan country demand is not based on Economic deprivation only, its only one component. As I told you I did not understand meaning of Pakistan, What is its meaning? We are also fighting for national identity. We would have lived happily with Pakistan ,had it been Islamic since its not therefore we don't need it. VIVA INDPENDED BALUCHISTAN.
the movement IS based on economics…It is not an ideological movement except on the economic front and poverty fuels it like it did in the case of East Pakistan…
Balochistan's colonizers, Iran and Pakistan, have used the argument that “resource-rich” Baloch territory cannot sustain as an independent country! According to figures given below, Balochistan has the potential to generate $58 billion per year within a short span after gaining its independence.
Existing gas fields in Balochistan supply 45% or 11 billion cubic meters of Pakistan’s total gas requirements that generates $1.4 billion annually in revenue (but the Pakistani government remits only $116 million in royalties back to Balochistan!).
The main attraction of Balochistan’s mineral sector is its unexplored geological potential. The territory is based on the geological belt with known world-class mineral deposits that could generate several billion dollars in revenues annually. More than 50 metallic and non-metallic minerals have been discovered in Balochistan. Metallic ores are chromites, copper, gold, silver, iron ore, lead and zinc, while the non-metallic include barite, marble, granite, gypsum, limestone, coal, dolomite, calcite, silica sand, and various building/engineering stones.
The Rekodiq project is estimated to produce 200,000 tons of copper and 400,000 ounces of gold per year. Saindek mines produce 15,800 tons of copper, 53,000 ounces of gold and 106,000 ounces of silver per year. In the international market, copper, gold and silver are currently traded at about $5,000 per ton, $600 per ounce, and $12 per ounce, respectively. At the current market value, it’s estimated that just the value of these three mineral deposits can generate $1.11 billion per year.
Keep your IMF AKA JEWISH SPONSORED ECONOMY WITH YOU. No need of Pakistan, VIVA AZAD BALUCHISTAN.
Think of your country, which is still begging after passing 62 years, and after excessively looting Baluchistan. In 62 years this country lost one part and its present GDP is 2%, world lowest, What will be in next 62 years. Sorry, I broke into laugh.HAHAHA. This country has no future.Long Live azad Baluchistan.
While the world is moving towards knowledge economy, you low life characters are moving towards marble economy. If you were that smart, you were not backward as you are now. your bigger problem is to share things between each other and live peacefully while doing that.
And you duffer don't understand electric cars will be imported and given on installments to people.
what will you do about low levels of oxygen due to hight plus no greenry. Thats one of main reasons you have low IQ and your backwardness.
And answer my question. If rekodovic has discovered copper, it will belong to people of rekodovic according to your ideology. what right will you have on that?
Answer my questions you dumb ass.
You will keep on doing HAHA unless we will be killed.
@ Mr. I have already answered you this question. Read clearly my earlier post. I think you also have reading problem.
Comment by sk baloch on October 19, 2009 @ 6:32 am
Read what I have wrote in this very post. I said that If gas discovered in SUI, It is property of state of Baluchistan, not of Bughti tribe, like wise Copper, gold, coal discovered in chaugi is property of :" State of Baluchistan" not of Sijrani tribe , or other tribes living down there. We shared gas with Whole Pakistan, how could we will not share resources with our own people. My ideology is that Everything found in Baloch belt of Baluchistan is property of state of Baluchistan. State of Baluchistan will make use of it for the prosperity of citizen of country Baluchistan. Gas is also discovered at my area(uch gas field). I am not saying its only of my tribe or few others living down here. I am saying this is gas for all people living in state of Baluchistan.This is my ideology. MY ideology: ALL resources are property of state of Baluchistan, run by ethnically baloch people.Its not of one tribe, or of those people living in that area. Its of all Baluch people. UCH power station is situated in my area, our demand for employment enrollment is first those should be employed who are baluchistani baloch,then other baloch from outside Baluchistan. We never said about our tribe,we said about all Baluchistani baloch, They are our brother. These tribes can not divide us anymore inshALLAH.
"State of Baluchistan will make use of it for the prosperity of citizen of country Baluchistan"
no guarantee…not with the kind of leaders Balochistan has and,seeing the younger leaders,will continue to have…
"our demand for employment enrollment is first those should be employed who are baluchistani baloch,then other baloch from outside Baluchistan"
oh you mean Baloch from Punjab and Sindh have precedence over Pushtun/brahui/makranis OF Balochistan???
the balochis out of Balochistan are not sons of soil of Balochistan as they never settled in Balochistan,even in history,as they settled in other regions when the Baloch were migrating into the land which is now Pakistan.
You mean to say if i go to Gawader,Gawderi Baluch will stop me saying why I have come to there area, or we will stop them from coming in our areas, if you think so then you are most stupid person world will ever see. MANY PEOPLE FROM tribe and areas are working in Gawader-A Baloch dominated area- none was targeted, none was told anything. MANY PASHTOON and Punjabi were told to leave. Not only in Gawader, also in my area and in other BALOCH DOMINATED AREAS TOO. But none Baluch was told so, here many Baluch are working who are not from my area, no body can tell them anything but anything. So we have thinking of caring our people and sharing resources and jobs with each other.
ABOUT electric cars. Yes I agree. Its not my problem what your country is doing for betterment of its people, importing electric car or begging money from International donors or IMF.I have my own country( Baluchistan) to worry about.If you can make use of electric, its better for your country and your people. What we will do for betterment of our country, our people, our economy. Its purely our problem. I think you need not to nudge in it.Thanks. Wsalam
Isnt it that Gawadar belongs to people of Gawader, Chaman belongs to people of Chaman, Sibi belongs to people of Sibi and so on. Whatever thing is discovered in land of some people will be property of that people. Well what if a thing is discovered in land of two people? What will happen? They will fight for it and the mighty one will capture it by defeating the weaker. Who will be the mighty ones here? Offcourse, bigger tribes= bigger group of people.
Dont tell me there is never a problem within tribes and dont tell me there was never a fight between tribes for resources. It is same 10th century tribal mentality that is making you think, OK something is being discovered from land nearby where I live, so its my birth right that I own that thing.
Tell me how many languages are spoken in Balochistan. Balochistan word was given to you by Pakistan, what was there before? How many tribes and ethnicities are there in Balochistan? I dont believe it is one. How can you claim that Balochistan is one ethnicity? We have hundreds of ethnicities in Punjab. Some countries like US has thousands of ethnicities. Just wondering what if they have same stupid way of thinking as yours where will they end up?
Well. First we have nothing to do with chaman.And everything in state of Baluchistan is property of nation: Baluch. And if you talk about the example you have given, then this can be applied everywhere. AND give me reference of one war between baluch tribes for resources? There is not single. There are different ethnicities I agree, but south west and CENTRAL Baluchistan IS BALUCH DOMINATED AREA.Minorities are there which do not belong to baloch ethnicity but 60% are Baluch in Baluchistan. The problem i personally think is about Quetta, other all areas are well-demarcated in Pashtoon and Baluch belt. We are not talking about Pashtoon belt, nor asking for their ancestral land possession. I am just asking about Baluch belt of Baluchistan.Here I must agree Quetta is controversial. Chamman is not part of Baluchistan state. Everything found in Baluchistan is property of Baluch state, not of two people or of two tribe.
What you think about that every tribe is a different Ethnicty? Besides why Pushtuns don't have rights over land resources in Balochistan.And don't use word Balochistan,it is shame of you to use this word because this word was given to you by Pakistan. Take word Balochistan out and then tell me what ethnicity is there in your area who claim whole area belongs to them.
I will do some research and come back to you about number of ethnicities in Balochistan, in my opinion it is equal to number of tribes. So each tribe has a right over land resources. One bigger tribe has no right to claim resources.If it is then rest of Pakistan has right over land resources in your area.
Each tribe has share in resources. agreed. I never said bigger tribe has, smaller hasn't. I even say resources are property of state of Baluchistan, people of state of Baluchistan, be the Baluch or some minority as sindhi or pashtoon living under state of Baluchistan. Well now Listen. From Gawader to Mastung all areas are of Baluch people, then Quetta is conroversial as I told you.From dastto Jacoabad is Baluch domianted area. AND from sibi to DG KHAN is Baluch dominated areas.AND other areas from kecliak to Loralai , ZHOB. These are Pashtoon dominated areas. SOMETHING discovered in these areas are property of pashtoon people.They have every right there and its there land. Well Name Baluchistan has been given by British not by Pakistan. There is Baluchistan in Iran too, THERE is Baluchistan in Afghanistan too. They all are called Baluchistan. SO u mean to say Pakistan give name Baluchistan to Iranian Baluchistan and also too AFGANIAN Baluchistan. HAHAH.NAME was given by British, not BY Pakistan. minorities are every where. But areas I told you are Blauch dominated. MOST of minorities are settlers who are now leaving now. Every body knows Which areas are Baluch dominated and Pashtoon dominated areas. Baluch dominated will be united as a country.Pashtoon can do whatever they want with there land, they be with Pakistan, with Afghanistan, whatever we don't care.LOng LIVE AZAD BALUCHISTAN.
The reason is very obvious. The recent book by SYED JAMALUDDIN titled "DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM" has already proposed the idea of disintegration of Pakistan. The said author has proposed making of countries called PAKHTOONISTAN, INDEPENDENT BALOCHISTAN, SINDHUDESH, REPUBLIC OF JINNAHPUR, INDEPENDENT KASHMIR, BALAWARISTAN in South Asia by dividing Pakistan. Hence, in view of implementation of such a proposal in the nearest future, all American forms shall be altered.
@ Robert. You are right.If world is sincere in eliminating in terrorism, then they must see divide Pakistan as was proposed by "Syed Jamaludin". Otherwise 9/11, 7/7 and Mumbai like incident will continue to take place. America should reenter the name of Baluchistan in all american forms.
SK Baloch, my point was you cannot base your identity upon the name Balochistan, as you yourself mentioned, it was just given by British to an area to administer it better. So you cannot say gas belong to people of Balochistan. And regarding ethnicities, i feel it useless you spend time on researching ethnicities that are found there. This task is very low priority to me because this stuff doesnot matter in modern world. I hope someone else reading this blog should help me telling SK baloch how many ethnicities are there in area Balochistan, for me it is boring to death.
@Mr. I don't know what you are talking about. Why you are talking about ethnicities? Call out the referendum, then it will become clear how many baluch want to live with Pakistan. No need to talk about ethnicities etc. I appeal to UN to have referendum in Baluchistan to let people determine there destiny. AND if you talk about name" Baluchistan", I don't call it because it was given by British, I call this because it is right name, Baluchistan means"Land of Baluchi people.
See Mr sk baloch.
Kashmiree 100% peoples want saperate from india still they did not get.UN pass resulotion 60 years ago so india accept.My dear this is not possible.
Azad Baluchistan is right, its due. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfff27Pb1Vc&fe…. Only AZAD Baluchistan
Out of the other ethnicities, the Baloch people have suffered the most under an administration dominated by Punjabis. The region of Balochistan is mostly waste land covered by deserts and uncultivable land. However this area is also rich in mineral reserves such as natural gas and petroleum. In fact, 90% of Pakistan’s energy requirements are met by the natural reserves of the province of Balochistan. But the irony is that this province does not even get 5% of the electricity produced from the land in this region. So much for Islamic brotherhood!
Only AZAD BALUCHISTAN
The per capita income of Balochistan is next to zilch when compared to the national average of the rest of Pakistan. Balochistan has hardly any schools or colleges except in the capital city of Quetta. The Baloch people have to travel great distances even to get basic necessities such as water and food supplies. There are hardly any roads or major railway links in Balochistan. Most Baloch people have to work as migrant labourers in the more developed cities of Karachi and Islamabad. The Pakistani Army treats the Baloch people the same way in which an invading Muslim army treats dhimmies. They rape women and young girls, kill non-combatants; in general terms, they spread misery amongst the Baloch population. It is not as if the Civil or Military Administration is unaware of these facts. On the other hand, the Administration fully supports these cruel techniques used by the Pakistani Army to subdue the Baloch. This is actually a return gift from the Pakistani Administration for the audacity of asking the for basic human rights by the Baloch.
AZAD BALUCHISTAN
There are no technical institutions where people from Balochistan can pursue education, which would enable them to achieve a respectable status. All the work in the various military or civilians are assigned to non-local labour. This is not done because the Baloch people are lazy or unable to do work. Rather this is being done to add to the depravity of the already suffering people of Balochistan.
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Better first you ask iran and Afganistan then may be pakistan will free balochistan.
SK Baloch is clearly a RAW trained hindu baloch terrorist. These mofos talk about no tehcnical edcuation and college in balochistan on one hand and on the other, they are killing the punjabi teachers who teach in these colleges. Since they themselves are the most nalaik and don't have any teachers, they have scared away punjabis and now all the colleges across balochistan are closing.
These cockroaches have become "courageous" by licking the saliva of their amreeki and hindu masters. Hopefull the big shaitan amreeka will be leaving afghanistan soon and then pakistan army can properly deal with these cockroaches.
assalam o alykum dear brothers…
i have been reading your comments and arguments with SK baloch. Just to inform you that I have already lot of discussions with him but at end he escaped from replying me. you can check my comments in the middle of this belog. ask him to reply for that questions which I asked him in my last discussion. if he is a true balochi then he must have resvervations and concerns with us but what he is following the way is absolutly wrong and destrction for him.
upto my understanding he is a balochi not RAW agent but he may be playing in their hands just to show his angerness in a wrong way.
I have been still waiting reply from him from the last month but he didnt.
anyway, our belog here is to listen and remove the misunderstandings between pakistani nation and not to critisise them. so I would make an appeal to my all paksitani brothers to convenience all angry balochs in a win/win situation. whatsoever had done with them from the last 60 years is also a crutial reality and likely to see us this unfortunate situation.
a very true and patriotic pakistani
SK Baloch clearly hates Pakistan. Moreover, he did not say anything
US or India or even Israel. This shows it is possible he is not Balo
chi. Everybody knows US want Balochistan separated to secure Gas
pipeline from Capsian sea to Gawadar and stop Iran and china. so it
is only in US interests that Balochistan get separated. Indians are
always stupid so these uglies are just playing game of weaking the
enemy i.e. Pakistan and China. Enacting Balochistan will not make them
less ugly or reduce poverty, learning from example of bangladesh.
SK-Baloch is ignorant phsyco but their solution is not gun but charity.
Give bread to these hungry people may help them think clear.
I am damn sure Balochies were not suppressed intentionally. Maybe there
are some disadvantages to them but look, even in most developed
or rich countries, you find lot of poor among rich. Its just fact of life.
And who are they comparing with? There are even lot of poor in Punjab
and Moreover, life of a farmer is quite hard. What SK-Baloch people
need to understand is if they have capability to succeed in life, they
can do it even within Pakistan. If they are capable, they will be
losers in life even in Pakistan or not.
Ugly Bengaliz thought West Pakistan is cause of their troubles and poverty.
Tell me where Bengaliz stand now? What is their achievement? Are they
rich or super power? I never heard of any achievement from them other
than Mohammad Yonus whose idea is a proof how much poverty is there
in Bengladesh.
Jinnah pur, Saraiki pur, balochi pur need to understand, it is in their
best interest to be part of whole Pakistan. In international politics,
its might is right that goes. Samll countries cannot defend themselves
economically or militarily.
Well. I am not entirely against Pakistan unity, but every should learn from experience. Our experience shows that we can get our constitutional and economical rights. It is impossible. Drawing new boundaries is not an easy task and is last solution but if no option is down there then we have to opt for it. @ Mr. I myself has no much economical strain but it is not war of me , it is of suffering people who are being deprived education and other such basic necessity. You will see in the histories of nation many rich people have scarified for the poor, suffering people. What I know is that Baluchistan can be far better with out Pakistan than it is with Pakistan. But this is just one prospective. what Baluchistan will be after independence, but again i am not entirely against unity of Pakistan, but Pakistan is leaving us with no option but to opt out for new geographical boundaries. Still no provincial autonomy, NFC award is still being disturbed on population base. If you wanna know How centre treats Baluchistan, then watch out this video by renowned journalist Javed Chudary. http://www.ankhmacholi.com/shows/treatment-baloch… and if you wanna know what people of Baluchistan want then see just photograph posted in this article.
http://blog.ale.com.pk/?p=199 AND ALSO WATCH OUT THIS VIDEO TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE IN BALUCHISTAN WAN Thttp://videos.desishock.net/index.php?module=item&action=show_item_full&itemurl=aHR0cDovL3lvdXR1YmUuY29tLz92PThrN3JZUmR1U21B ALL reporting in these references have been done by Pakistani media and pro Pakistani people. There are lot of people who are calling for independence now a days.This is whatever in taste, but is reality however. Regards.
@ MR. I condemn Israel, america and India unequivocally. I condemn american occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, i strongly criticize and oppose Israel occupation of pelastine and Indian occupation of Kashmir, but in the same tone I oppose Pakistan's occupation of Baluchistan or at least discriminatory policy of center towards Baluchistan.If you wanna speak Baluchi with me I am ready, I don't think an Indian won't be knowing Baluchi at least. ALLAH hair ba kinee thain chaka. Tho main pecha Baluchi kinag lota, ma ready histain. Baluchi ba kin ager tera kahee. Regards.
Mr.SK Baloch.
I am Pakistani and second Panjabi,But I love balochistan,because balochi people are very good and innocient and they suffer lot of problem last from few years.But my brother you know why balochistan in poority because your leaders dont want balochi people will educated.Govt,too much money given to your leader but they used only for his family and now they are in England and Swizerland.You people are killing here thourgh India and amrican lobi.What you are thinking you will get Seperate balochistan,My dear this not possible.Every pakistani will become a strong wall against separet balochistan.If balochistan sperate that day Pakistan will be finished.One thing more you know about kashmir last from 64 years 100% peoples wants separets but india give.So remove separet word from your mind and become a non-Separet Pakistan.
HAFIZ SHAIB. WE will begin our conversation, please come up with your queries. We will carry out the discussion. thanks.
You all people that Baluchistan is not as normal as you people think, has it been it wouldn't have been discussed in India praliment, isn't it disgusting for all Pakistanis, the part of land they calim to be theirs is being discussed Indian pr aliment.This attitude of you people won't work as it did not 1971, 95% Bangladeshi want independence and you still say Indian did it and today a lot of Baluchistani Baluch are calling for independence and you are saying it is nothing but fuss and Indian propaganda. I Know Baluchistan completely, here because of series of betrayal grievances are too deep. You try to analyse the situation with the eye of a Baluchistani Baluch, don't see Baluchistan with an eye of Punjabi.Every body agrees Baluchistan has suffered a lot of injustice and it is but natural there would be . some reaction for this. Read this newly published article. .
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…. ALL agree grievances are genuine here, and demand of AZAD BALUCHISTAN is not being hurled outside Baluchistan , but within Baluchistan.wake up, lest there is too late. Wsalam
assalam o alykum dear baloch brother
i got your mail regarding start of our conversation again.
now come to the point, i again request to all my dear brothers on this discussion that kindly dont give then the label of RAW or other agents. this is a fouram to discuss our views and to listen to our agreaved brothers.
and my dear baloch brother, listen very carefully that now govt is serious to solve your problems. you spoke about the NFC award but let me add in your information that this is for the 1st time in history that all provinces are ready to give the share of balochistan on their valid reasons. if you are unaware of this then it doesnt mean that the fact is not there. you spoke about the sahre is again to be distributed on the basis of population that is totally uncorrct. i have been regulary observing the news about balochistan and fully updated with them. the 1st session was held in queata and all participants were agreed to share the resources on the baisis of land area which was the biggest demand of our balochi brothers. so your this claim has been solved.
the 2nd thing is that yesterday all our balochi leaders met to presidant zardari and he assured them that their reservations will be fully met and today again prime minister has called on lunch meeting to nawaz shreef to discuss about your all reservation including a fedral govt package for our baloch brothers.
so now tell me what is let for you now???
yes your pains are very serious and true but let me again tell you that this has happend with all pakistani nation due to poor leadership. same situation exists in all provinces of pakistan.
you told about the educational institutes in balochistan. i give you an offer to come in punjab and pakhtoon areas and see the small cities problems. all are facing same issues. same situation is in sindh province. in balochistan these problems are upto some extant serious but the sloution of problems never exists in separation movements. remember one thing agin that right now you have claim on whole part of pakistan as pakistani citizen but as per your movement you will have only claim on a half part? so tell me if this will be a rational thinking??
and for your kind information if you read about indain states and their grivances then you will come to know that they are even more deprived off from their rights.!! so tell me what should they do? either they should also start the independance movement???
Hafiz bro. You are right. But discussion, recommendations committees all these stuffs were out there in previous governments as well, but nothing is being done on ground and nothing is being implemented. They may have agreed, but still it is not part of process or law. They had disscution , drunk few cups of tea. Still resources are being distributed on population basis as new formula is yet to be acted up on, who knows it would ever materialize as it did not in last 62 years. committees, discussions, meeting have been happening since 62 years, with out any solid reason, sir if you have seen anything happening in actual, please share it with me? regards.
this is come to ur knowladge that there is not any major facilation achive in balochistan for example education health and infastracture. major thing is that required. but every minster level to low level man currept in devlopment of balochistan. i m also masters in international relation but there is not any job about my sub. where i m go. i m not releize that
hi everybody ,,,this should be in every bodies knowledge that balochistan used to be a separate and we were not part of sub.continent..when british was leaving sub.continent we were given choice to take ur lands under lease from british.and we declared our independence on august 12.and the map of balochistan was also published in newyork times next day.Pakistan terrorist state occupied us on 1948.we are not pakistanis .we have different culture.,,language history,everything we have.so pakistani corps should leave our land.we r owners of our land.by making a separate column they did a great job.i appreciate them.
nawab khair bux over great hero and his son nawb shaheed balaach and nawbzada hayrbiyar
nazeer Bugti
I am a Brahui
Balochistan was originally inhabitated by the ancient race of muzaffargarh AKA the Brahuis(whom Baloch try to portray as Baloch but we say otherwise).the Baloch only entered 'Baloch'istan a few hundered years ago,long after the kurds ,Makranis and Brahuis came into existence.you are not the original inhabitants of Balochistan.Secondly,there were many Baloch and brahui princely states by 1947 and all of them seceded to Pakistan.the accession of Kalat however is controversial.however,the state of Kalat formed only 22-23% of Balochistan and was landlocked,surrounded by other states and terrirories that had legally seceded to Pakistan.you try to portray as if Kalat was ALL of 'baloch'istan.and that land is not UR land.most of that land is uninhabited and that uninhabited land can belong to anyone not just the baloch just because it is in a land known as 'Baloch'istan.that land was sometimes part of Sindh,sometimes Punjab,sometimes afghanistan…there was never a united balochistan 'country'.all of Balochistan was united for the first time by president Yahya Khan in 1970 prior to the elections.
There are all commonalities between pakistan and balochistani pakistan. If somebody thinks he is not pakistani, he should leave the country and go to where his ancestors came from. Balochistan is not of balochis or punjabis. It is of Pakistanis.
i want free balochistan ilove balochista and i want struggle for freedom of balochistan
SK Baloch
women raped?torture?
YOU make it sound like hitler's holocast or Indian action in Kashmir though I know this is far from he truth(I know so cause I LIVE HERE-Nasirabad).nor r there thousands of people missing.the funny thing is that the nationalists claim thousands are missing but fail to produce identification.and only 1 woman,a teacher from Sindh, has been raped and that case too is highly dubious…the UN itself refused to recognize any mass human rights violation in Balochistan…
people like you exaggerate horribly to demoralize Pakistanis and turn us against each other!you also make up false histories of Balochistan to serve your purpose…
SK baloch
prince Karim only conspired against Pakistan as he was going to losse his affluent position as de facto ruler of the makran upon secession to pakistan…and not all of Balochistan rose up in revolt just his conspirators and their Afghan aids…get your facts straight…if his cause had been just Balochistan would have been separated long ago as allah aids the truthful against others…
but you only need to believe that if you are muslim…
SK baloch
you seem to be of the mindset that economic prosperity shall coming flooding into balochistan once it seprates….in your naiveties concerning local rulers who you believe are loyal to Balochistan just because they are baloch you are lost…
Do you know the British conquered most of India with an army of natives that did their bidding for economic reasons?the army was financed by the British and brought land under British rule and that is why we say ‘the British conquered India’,even though the most basic clogs of its machinery,the soldiers,were natives.the activists may very well be native Baluch but the ones FINANCING and ,hence,PROPAGATING hate,ethnic tensions,target killings,brainwashing and terror in Baluchistan are not natives and they shall stand to gain most if Baluchistan is ‘liberated’ by them.India is one of those back-hand dealers and that is why it is blamed even if it is not directly interfering using its army.what it has to gain i need not mention.but we do ignore the possibilities of foreign corporations and western nations(like america,who is faced by an economic challenge by the name of china and which is itself controlled by corporations) interfering as well.like Iraq,foreign companies,American and European,shall pounce on the state like vultures and Baluchistan would have to open up her soil to them to exist ,as secession would create economic challenges for her,and they will molest her and squish every drop of resource out of her once she is trapped in their claws.what will happen to her would be worse than what has happened to any country in a similar situation up till now.the highest indication of the inevitability of this is a highly illiterate population and a bunch of tribal and materialistic leaders(i believe you call them ‘Baluch nationalists’) for whom Baluchistan can go to hell as long as their worldly desires are fulfilled and who shall lick the feat of foreign powers like mujeeb-ur-rehman did india’s after the creation of Bangladesh.i believe india looks for another slave nation like bangladesh in Baluchistan.If not India there are plenty of other who could have this inten…do you know what india has done to bangladesh after independance?why do the bangladeshi intellectuals vehementaly ctitisize and dislike the india that ‘liberated’(or rather enslaved) them?