A Bomb Blast ripped through MA Jinnah Road on 28th December 2009 – this video of the kilometer long stretch of road shows that the mobsters ransacked a large section of the street leaving a hundreds of shopkeepers devastated and a loss of millions of rupees.
A group of concerned citizens sympathized with many shopkeepers, trying to share in their grief but there were simply one too many. The kilometer stretch of road was in flames. Targeted attacks on particular markets was noted, indicating that it was not a random affair. The witnesses all say that the rioting starts almost immediately after the bomb blast that one has to wonder if there was a definite plan to cause serious harm. While walking the enter business district one noted that the fire continues to burn in a few of the buildings still 16-20 hours later, indicting that some chemical was used to ignite these shops. A short compilation of the videos and pictures that we took on our visit today can be seen here
Let it stand for the record that there was NO indication that it was a Shia-Sunni attack, but seems more like destabilizing forces trying to create chaos in the region. While discussion with many shopkeepers indicate that the mob was well prepared and seemingly resembled the activities of 27th December rioting that took place after Benazir Bhutto was assassinated
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Good work Awab..
Now I suggest you go to some of the families of the deceased and put up a post on them as well. Do follow the trend of the media who have completely ignored the martyred and their losses.
aman says: – December 30, 2009 at 9:33 am – We can’t forget when these same shia extremists burned alive workers at Gulshan KFC.
خودکش بمبار نہیں فرض شناس سکاؤٹ
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/12/091229…
ریاض سہیل
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام، کراچی
آخری وقت اشاعت: بدھ, 30 دسمبر, 2009, 19:23 GMT 00:23 PST
مزمل شاہ ایک رضاکار تھے جو کراچی دھماکے میں ہلاک ہوئے
اٹھارہ سالہ مزمل شاہ جسے کل تک خودکش بمبار سمجھا جا رہا اسے ینگ بوائز سکاؤٹ نے اپنے رضاکار کے طور پر شناخت کر لیا ہے۔
پولیس کے اپنے دعوؤں کے مطابق دسویں محرم کے مرکزی جلوس کے لیے سکیورٹی کے تین حصار بنائے گئے تھے، جس میں پہلا حصار سکاؤٹس، دوسرا پولیس اور تیسرا رینجرز کا تھا، دھماکے بعد مشتعل لوگوں کے رد عمل کا پہلا شکار پولیس اور رینجرز بنے۔
سندھ بوائز سکاؤٹس کے ترجمان اختر میر کا کہنا ہے کہ اٹھارہ سالہ مزمل شاہ نے رینجرز کے جوان عبدالرزاق کے ساتھ بمبار کو روکنے کی کوشش کی تھی، اور اسی دوران بمبار نے خود کو بم سے اڑا دیا یہی وجہ ہے کہ مزمل شاہ کا پورا جسم ٹکڑوں میں بٹ گیا اور اس کا صرف سر ملا تھا۔
ان کا کہنا تھا کہ جب شام تک کوئی وارث سامنے نہیں آیا تو پولیس نے مزمل کو خودکش بمبار قرار دے دیا اور اس کا خاکہ جاری کرکے شناخت کرنے والے کے لیے دس لاکھ رپے انعام مقرر کر دیا۔ مگر بعد میں ینگ بوائز سکاؤٹس ایسوسی ایشن نے اس کی شناخت کی اور بتایا کہ یہ ان کا رضاکار ہے۔
کراچی پولیس کے سربراہ وسیم احمد کا کہنا ہے بدقسمتی سے وہ شخص( مزمل) جن کا خاکہ جاری کیا گیا وہ خودکش بمبار نہیں تھے بلکہ جلوس میں شامل تھے۔ انہوں نے بتایا کہ بم حملے میں مزمل شاہ کے کئی رشتے دار بھی ہلاک ہوگئے ہیں جن میں ان کے والد شاہ علی حیدر، کزن سید ملازم حسین شاہ، بھانجے منور عباس اور وسیم عباس بھی پاس تھے، جو سب اس حملے میں ہلاک ہوگئے۔
مزمل شاہ کے علاوہ زوہیب علی نے بھی اپنی جان کا نظرانہ پیش کیا
وسیم احمد نے کہا کہ ’ہم نہیں چاہتے تھے کہ جلدی میں ایسی کوئی حرکت کریں جس سے لوگوں کی دل آزاری ہو۔‘
نوجوان مزمل شاہ کے والد شاہ علی حیدر کسٹم میں سپاہی تھے اور ان کا تعلق چکوال کے علاقے چوئے سیداں کے سید گھرانے سے ہے۔ مزمل غلامان عباس اسکول میں میٹرک کے طالب علم تھے، دونوں کی میتیں چکوال بھجوائی گئی ہیں۔
سندھ بوائز سکاؤٹس کے ترجمان اختر میر نے بتایا کہ مزمل شاہ گزشتہ پانچ سال سے ینگ اسکاؤٹ گروپ میں شامل تھے۔ ینگ بوائز سکاؤٹس کے محمد سہیل کے مطابق ان کا واحد سکاؤٹ گروپ ہے جس میں اہل تشیع اور اہل سنت دونوں کے نوجوان شامل ہیں اور وہ گزشتہ کئی سالوں سے دھماکہ والی جگہ پر کیمپ لگاتے ہیں۔
کراچی میں چالیس ہزار سے زائد اسکاؤٹس موجود ہیں جن میں سے ساڑہ تین ہزار ایم اے جناح روڈ پر تعینات تھے اور اس دھماکے میں مزمل کے ساتھ زوہیب علی محمد شاہ، حاجی کبیر فاروق، انور سومرو اور عرفان سموں بھی ہلاک ہوئے۔
سندھ بوائز اسکاؤٹس کے ترجمان اختر میر کا کہنا ہے کہ اسکاؤٹس بغیر کسی معاوضے کے اپنے خرچے میں ڈیوٹی دیتے ہیں ان کی صرف والدین اور ان کے لیڈر سرپرستی کرتے ہیں، جبکہ اس کے برعکس پولیس اور قانون نافذ کرنے والوں کے فرائض میں شامل ہوتا ہے کہ وہ لوگوں کے جان اور مال کی حفاظت کریں، سکاؤٹس کے فرائض میں صرف لوگوں کی مدد کا فرض شامل ہوتا ہے۔
سندھ حکومت نے ہلاک ہونے والے رینجرز کے اہلکار عبدالرزاق کے لیے بیس لاکھ روپے، رینجرز کی جانب سے سات لاکھ روپے جبکہ وفاقی حکومت کی جانب سے تمغہ شجاعت دینے کا اعلان کیا ہے۔
امام بارگاہ شاہ خراساں میں مزمل شاہ کی نمازے جنازہ ادا کی گئی جہاں مقررین نے حکومت سے مطالبہ کیا کہ اسے ستارہ جرات دیا جائے۔
سندھ سکاؤٹس کی جانب سے ہلاک ہونے والے سکاؤٹس کو خراج تحسین پیش کیا گیا ہے اور ان کے لیے گیلنٹری ایوارڈ دینے کا اعلان کیا گیا ہے۔
What a bunch of morons…..
Is this the way to observier Ashura????
Now who can blame the Shiass?? does any one have courage???
Shame on you! What about the 43 lives lost, and around 150 still injured in the hospitals? do you have words of mercy for them? or are all shia's KAFIR?
Aman: 1000s of Sunnis were attending the Ashura procession and 7 dead bodies and dozens of injured can confirm this. Would you also blame Sunnis for burning the properties after the incident?????
Aqeel Karim Dhedhi on Kamran Khan Show has named the culprits. May Allah save us from these savages who have ruined this city converting it into a city of darkness. How beautiful was this city two decades ago prior to the formation of this blackmailer gang
awab:
disturbing
khuda khair karay
We can't forget when these same shia extremists burned alive workers at Gulshan KFC.
Where is the proof of this? Any miscreant could do that to add fuel to the fire like you are doing by blaming a particular community without any evidence.
Please provide proofs that Shias did that.
Anum: KFC is an American brand? how come this business is supported, while Amreeka is responsible for everything? or you are just a Shia basher?
Abidi Sahab,
KFC and other such American Brands have several outlets right outside the Main Door of Masjid Al Haram in Makkah. Within the vicinity of Ka'abah I have seen the shops of barbers as well.
Burning humans is totally inhumane act and if you blame any true muslim for that then i'd def. doubt on your mental stability. My friend if you go and talk to that specific KFC frenchie u'd be told the reality of that incident. Staff still remember those faces who came to burn that day…That KFC exists there and running its business for years but none of the Shia objected on it as they know that the owner and all workers are their muslim brothers. If you dig in the news reports you would know who had warned that KFC owner millions times and asked his followers thrown stones and broke glasses?? better get your facts straight buddy 🙂
WTF was SIND Govt doing?
They fail every time when there is an emergency and leave the lives and properties of innocent citizens at the mercy of Harama-zadaz.
When BB died the govt of Musharraf and MQM failed to provide sercurit to the residents of sind and now again.
I guess all the like to do is publish condmening statements and pictures along wasted-concrete-junks.
How about MMA [JUI – F and JI] who shared power during Musharraf regime with General Musharraf [read PML-Q] in Baluchistan and NWFP and what about MMA's support to the Illegal 17 Constitutional Amendment LFO which gave Blank Check to General Musharraf's Military Regime to do whatever he like.
Most of the terrorists belonging to the notorious "Karachi Gang" formed in late 70s may be from Shiite sect but this is not the job of Milat-e- Jafria. Some of them may also be Sunnis but we call all involved in this heinous crime as non-Muslims no matter whatever they call themselves. Aman your behavior is irresponsible as is the attitude of former FBI man Mughal
Sir,
Not FBI but IB and I am proud that I served Pakistan and honorably resigned. Before jumping for the gun read this Research Paper of the Former US Diplomat to Pakistan Ryan C Crocker. Mr Aman and your comment on this issue is tantamount to playing in the hands of US Trap.
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Their strategy in Iraq was to incite Shia Sunni Strife. National Defense University National War College THE ORIGINS OF AL-QAEDA IDEOLOGY Implications for U.S. Strategy Christopher Henzel Course 5602:
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If American strategists fail to understand and exploit the divide between the establishments and the radicals within Sunni Islam, the United States will play into the revolutionaries’ hands, and drive fence-sitting Sunnis into its enemies’ ranks. Outsiders of the Sunni World Sunni Islam is a very big tent, and there have always been clashing philosophies, and insiders and outsiders, within Sunnism.*Throughout the past century, the most important of these clashes have occurred between Sunni reformers and the traditional Sunni clerical establishment.
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Bear it in mind these are the same elements who are responsible for 27/12/2007 supported and backed by Jamat and ANP!!!
Wait for the actual CCTV footage which is with the authorities now. Then you will see which of your brothers were involved in the Arson attack.
@Syed Ali Raza Abidi
But the real CCTV footages have been taken by the "Karachi gang" who are the suspected terrorists. Their Karachi Mayor was busy hiding the footage when Karachi was burning
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Proof!
Mughal Sahab these Jamati People don't have Shame, they just bark like Tommys!!!
By maligning the image of other they just want to hide their crimes!!!
Karachi Nazim doing excellent job: CJ SC seeks report on trees cutting in Lahore Wednesday, December 02, 2009 By our correspondent http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=211…
Shame on you Aman, don't you have the eyes to see or don't you have the brain to think???
27 December 2007 was a pre-planned conspiracy of people like you, supported by Jamat and ANP!!!
Do you have some manners to atleast shutup at this tragic incident or you are completely nude to just play some dirty political games???
I suggest you to consult any psychiatrist!!!
Aman, get your facts straight first!
I was there. It was not the shias who created chaos there.
the azaadar's in the juloos, kept the juloos going, & we DONT CARRY petrol & stuff to light up fire anywhere. it was within 4 minutes of the blast, that everything was set on fire.
Thats the difference b/w us & these terrorists whoever they are. We follow the teachings of our Prophet & Imams. We stay composed. there were a few people who did get a bit jazbaati, but then they did not put the shops on fire. there was a smallprotest, then the juloos moved forward.
So stop blaming Shia's & stop being a part of those who have always oppressed & killed shia's.Stop being a part of the yazeedi group!
infact, now even the media & the so called govt. has also made it clear, that it was not the people who were observing ashura. it was some people who either took advantage of the situation, or some group who had planned this.
Only Mqm should fulfill this loss to people who lost their lives and also to those who lost their properties.
What about the Taliban? shouldnt they be funding the loss? if they are influenced by Amreeka, shouldnt you ask for the losses from them? Or does MQM phobia restrict you from using your tiny brain?
Mr. Yaseen are you just suffered in to MQM phobia or do you have any logic???
Dear do you have something called "Zameer"??? If yes then just adleast comdemn your brothers "Taliban" who just took 40 lives in one go!!!
I really feel shame calling you Pakistani or Muslim!!!
You cannot condemn somebody when there is no evidence. I am not saying it wasn't Taliban. Do you have evidence?
Did you provide any evidence when you raise finger on almost every political party in Pakistan??
Yaseen Ch….It means Nawaz Sharif should pay anything happens in Punjab..rite??? but how can he pay he is fucking under debt.
Dear Aman Sahab,
Do you have any proof that Shias burned those hapless workers of KFC? What about MMA who also shared power with PML-Q [General Musharraf] in Baluchistan and NWFP and helped Musharraf to do whatever he like through LFO/17 Constitutional Amendment.
Amir Sahib Kisi Molvi Abdul Qudoos Ke Hathay Tu Nahen Charay Thein AAp? Koi Bhi Takleef ho, you bring MMA.
Sir,
I just raised an honest question.
Observer says: December 30, 2009 at 7:09 pm – Ask the army and MQM. The army used MQM in their dirty game (dictatorship with sham democracy) and MQM partcipated You are in a position to answer all these questions. Why do you ask all the time without answering simple questions yourself?
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Dear Sir,
Why Imran is missing from your list above becaue if MQM is guilty of sharing power with Army then you should also include Imran Khan because Imran Khan/PTI Supported naked Military Dictatorship of General Musharraf right after the Coup in 1999 and then again Imran Khan supported the sham Referendum of Musharraf in 2002 [Even MQM and JI didn’t support that Referendum]
Since you are fond of quoting Media Reports on Corruption therefore answers on Army used MQM as under:
Jinnah Pur master mind Brig. Asif Haroon Proved Guilty – 1/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEEN2ysFuMs&feature=PlayList&p=E1AC1A7DCEF0AF80&index=0&playnext=1
Off course Imran is also guilty of supporting army in the early stages. No doubt! But luckily he parted ways with them contrary to others.
The terror after the terror attacks has the hall mark of KHI terrorist outfit. Any names?
According to one participant (I saw it on ARY) the culprits involved in burning the shops did have black shoes. According to him Shia's don't wear black shoes. So, according to him it could not have been a shia activity, but rather a preplanned terror attack as also mentioned in the above article. Maybe someone with a better knowledge can shed some light on the "black shoe" issue.
Apart from that the MQM chief, Altaf recently said that he could handle terrorism in 10 hours. How can such gruesome terror attack happen against the shias since he can make such claims. On top of that comes all the burning i.e. another terror attack.
No, Altaf Hussain never said that. He said "If we could gather millions for protest in 10 hours notice, these should be the people given the mandate to run the govt" if you want I can paste the link for the actual statement which was distorted by Jang? shall I?
I have no problem in being updated. Please send the link 🙂
Observer: Please view and confirm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL8weMS3rSU
Deception is also a word in dictionary and Terrorists often use that to hoodwink LEA.
Behind Karachi's Violence:
Target Iran: Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter and Investigative Journalist Seymour Hersh on White House Plans for Regime Change December 21, 2006
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/06/target-i…
This is the reason of Karachi's Violence to incite Tension between Iran and Pakistan [Courtesy Musharraf's Military Regime Free Hand to CIA in Baluchistan]
Preparing the Battlefield by Seymour M. Hersh. Annals of National Security Source: The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080…
There are two tags on my blog namely Seymour M Hersh and Scott Ritter [Former UN Weapon Inspector] please click on their names and watch their lecture and interviews on US Involvement in Iran for Regime Change. I would request Dr Awab to upload these Lectures/Interviews on his blog for general public.
The terror after the terror attacks has the hall mark of KHI terrorist outfit. Any names? [Observer]
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Observer says:December 29, 2009 at 3:28 pm @Unaiza
On a serious note I think MQM and PTI have a lot in common on the ideological base.
@Aamir
?? Grow up!
You should try this "Grow Up" before floating the Black Shoe Theory.
Can't you read? I clearly stated that I didn't have a personal knowledge about the "black shoe" issue and asked for a better explanation. Come on, Aamir. You can do better than this!
I don't want to ruin this thread by discussing importaance of colours in Islam, otherwise I would've answered you.
Observer Bhai is wrong again. MQM believe in Realism and Practicalism, while PTI works with Idealism.
To change the current scenario you need to get out the current "realism and practicalism" where both PPP and MQM is a party. To bring a change you need idealism a new political force. You aim for the perfect and sometimes you are content with less 🙂
That's why I am suggesting that you should File your nomination papers from several key constituencies to contest election against MQM and PPP [Please dont tell us that you can't because JI still contest election without any fear]
Another "brilliant" reply 😉
You have the aim and "talent" to derail a debate.
Ali Raza: I don't think PTI workers believe in anything except 1992 world cup captain and whatever their hero say.. IK doesn't even have any clue where is he heading – He once claimed that he couldn't get a chance to read PTI constitution for past 11 years (Clip is available on youtube) Isn't this a joke???? Aysay leader to follow karnay walay ka koi believe nahi hota
BTW: TTP has accepted responsiblity of the bomb attack on the procession.
Soure, please?
Do you also have the source telling, who comitted the crimes after the terror atack?
Same good old "Trash" Daily Jang: http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2009-daily/30-12-2…
Observer: Lol.. wait for a few more days, that will also be known. It shall be no other than your favourite Jamaat-e-Islami.
And you know that in advance?
Why not hon? dont you know everything in advance about MQM?
Dear Sever, MQM workers are also included in the victims, most of the Shia Brothers supports MQM in Karachi, Most of the Shopkeepers support MQM in Karachi.
Those who belong to a specific group are involved in the looting on 2007 December 27 incident and the same elements are involved in this incident!!!
Whatchout the video clips available publicly on youtube.com.
@Syed K.N.
First of all: The inhumane act MUST be condemned regardless of the victims association with any party/ethnic/linguistic group.
Second: We need a thorough investigation to bring the culprits to a court of law.
Ali Raza Abidi,
http://www.HinduMQM.wordpress.com
Stop telling "MQM Lies". This terrorist act was done by the Hindu terrorists of Hindu MQM.
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Why some people are falling and trapped in the hands of those who wanted to create differences aganst us.
See and read how INDIA shias & sunnis are living each other, see how shia & sunni ulema.. both attend conferences, sit.. and have dinner each other at Darul-Aloom Deoband conferences and everyother place.
Why we have his harted here in Pakistan.
Loss is loss, those who lost lives or money. You can see that even 10 sunnis who were in jaloos were the victim of sucide and you can also see that 100's of shias & bohri shias shop were burnt..
I ask them that do they think some sunni do the sucide.. NO
And in the same manner do you think that the shia burnt the shop — NO
Be vigiliant.., there are 100 of things which you cannot easily pass away.
1) Chemical . Phasphoros was used.. See the Dawn news — Do you think that plp in jaloos take this phasporos from home.. and came into procession. as they know that some sucide bombing will be in place.. Think youself
2) The first shops were burnt of Pathans.. at Light house, which open startight fire to the back side of the pro mqm place…
3) CDGK has already give notice from 4 months.. to get this place.. empty.. Listen from your own the business community that they have ordered and they were looking for some reasons to get them out.
There are many reasons, you cannot start abusing each other so easily. We are living with 100 of years. We cannot kill all shia and neither they cannot kill all of us.. SUNNIS.
Dont start spreading harted, because it will only spread harted…
Agreed with Ms. Nazish on "Not spreading hate"
Nazish: thank you for these comments. If possible please convince Observer who hides behind a nick that it was his people who did this..
@Ali Raza
Did I say anything wrong about MQM?
Achaa… abhi abhi tou i confronted you about the "10 hour" claim.. and yet you ask me if you said anything wrong about MQM.. Hell yeah man! you are completely wrong, and cannot proove jack! or can you?
Hold on…..
"What the mighty Americans, NATO and Pakistan could not achieve in past eight years, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) self-exiled London-based chief Altaf Hussain, claimed that his party would eliminate terrorism from Pakistan in ten hours if provided the opportunity."
Source: http://www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xf…
Altaf and his goons run KHI. MQM has the power and also STREET POWER. MQM can gather MANY people. They come willingkly and unwillingky. Why this terror attack happened? Has MQM ensured tha the culprits behind the arsom attacks are caught?
This is the problem with people like you. you did not listen to the link. Array bawlay adhmi, I said Jang distorted the news and it was picked up many papers who are getting news from them as partner source. NOW LISTEN TO THE LINK I HAVE POSTED, that is a live recording by AJJ TV and surely cannot be concoted.
@Ali Raza
What is your take on the terror attacks. Who do you think committed them?
The bomb: TTP??
The arson attacks: JI??
Is that what you think?
TTP has confirmed and accepted, it is time you should also accept it. JI is the closest to them so yes, they must have some influence, like they did and their men were caught after MAnwa, GHQ, Peshawar Market blast and other blasts all over Pakistan.
It's high time to arrest all terrorists of MQM including their so called madari Drama baaz Qiad Altaf Mela. IF u wana break this wave of terrorism you will have to arrest these enemies of Karachi and Urdu Speaking Pakistanis. The literate Urdu Speaking personalities like Dr Arif Alvi and those in PML N should come forward to represent the Mohajirs. Kick this gang out.
Wah! I like the weight lifting… dont worry, MQM will continue to grow as it has been. The more you people bark the more we will gain strength. Tumharay baap ka Pakistan hai kiya? that you want to kick this gang out? yea theka liya hua hai Pakistan ka? the judge is yours, ask him to do it.
@Ali Raza
"Tumharay baap ka Pakistan hai kiya?"
Take it easy, my friend….Why did Altaf say that he was against the creation of Pakistan and how can you support a man who is against the creation of YOUR country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWAj7Awj2ks
Lollzz..PMLN…Lollzz… Lollzz…
Lets ask Nawaz Shareef Madari to atleast represent his home province atleast 50%!!! Open your ears and listen "PMLN has only 27%-30% representation of Punjab!!!
I feel sorry for the sick people like you who just misguide themselves…Lollzz…
Such a idiot you are, MQM is the among from the ordinary people of Pakistan specially Karachi. Ok tell me how can you stop people giving votes to MQM?? Can you???
@Ali Raza
I think you people are over playing the powers of Mr. Altaf Kalia. Though I admit he has great powers in KHI since he is Don controlling the city by remote control and phone from UK. I have no doubt he can do a lot, but I don't believe he can do anything about terrorism related to American/Indian involvement, but still he can do a lot in KHI terror. I mean the mobile snatching, the hooliganism, kidnappings, robberies, bhatta khori and assassinations in Karachi can be stopped by Mr. Altaf "Kalia" Hussain in no time…… Remember he is the don of KHI, and also remember he is vigorously against the creation of Pakistan.
Wrong again Observer (MQM Phobiast with fair skin color) We stand by the statement "The division of the sub-continent was the greatest blunder" But you wont understand philosophical statements, so go an continue to hate MQM…. you havent gained anything until now or not able to stop MQM from getting into Kashmir and gilgit-Baltistan, what make you think you will in the future?
@Ali Raza
I don't hate you or other urdu speaking people. I consider you/them as my brothers. What I can hate are certain terror acts committed by MQM supporters on the command of Altaf.
Use peaceful means and you (MQM) can operate anywhere in Pakistan to help poor and oppressed people. That also includes helping my Urdu speaking brothers to get rid of the evil practices in our beloved Pakistan!
Certain Terrorists Acts by MQM such as…. Please provide any news link report.etc.etc. And in one of the thread you were saying that PTI/MQM are quite similar????
@Aamir
Go back and read and quote my comments correctly….otherwise it is dishonesty!
@Ali Raza
"Phobiast with fair skin color"
Skin is not an issue, my friend. When I write Altaf "Kalia" then the "kalia" tag is meant for his dominant DARK sides……inside the head.
Kese dkh lia Beta tu ne Dark Side..hanh..Hahaha Tum bx aese hi chilate raho..Hahahahha
Mr. Observer, the same thinking millions of people have about your Father!!!
And for all Jamati people specially Moudoodi Malooun, Qazi Munafiq, Munawwar Bhainga, Ghaffoor Lota, Khursheed Chamar or shyad aapkay baray main bhi kuch aisa hi kaha ja sakta hay…Dark Side of you mind!!! 😛
Altaf Kalia
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Drill Altaf
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http://www.HinduMQM.wordpress.com
In Germany, we call Altaf Hussain as, Drill Altaf, because he drilled holes in the knees and ankles of 5 Lakh people and ruined their life. Altogether, Hindu MQM killed over 20 Lakh people in Karachi in the past 25 years.
Curse on Hindu MQM, which is supported by Slumdog India & International terrorist USA.
We hate Drill Altaf.
We hate Drill Altaf.
We hate Drill Altaf.
We hate Drill Altaf.
We hate Drill Altaf.
Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi
Germany
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Boycott_Slumdog_India@yahoo.com
@ Obsever..Altaf Hussain is your father..Don't say harsh words for your father..=P
@admin
You need to take care of:
Ammad Hafeez
Hahaha I scared..
Loollzz….:P
Jamati Kalia Moudoodi ka baita aaj tak yehi kehta raha ye Jamat Munafiqon ki jamat hay!!! Buzdil Lougon ki Jamat hay, 😛
@ Observer Where are u my friend, have u scared??I'm only 16 years old guy..hahaha
It's a common phenomena among MQM supporters to create multiple ID's when facing a little pressure based on facts. I just presented the facts about Altaf, f.ex. he is against the creation of Pakistan. Ali Raza ran out of weak arguments and all of sudden another genie pops up starting personal insults. As mentioned it is typical behaviour of people who run out of sober arguments. It is also the behavior of people who can be "brave" on the Internet, but in real life such people are mostly cowards.
Keep on "bachey"…you are only expsoing yourself and the nature of MQM supporters.
MQM shared power with Musharraf's Military Regime and Musaharraf was COAS as well. Was Military unaware about Altaf's speech??? Why didn't Army raise objection in 2002 when MQM took part in the General Election [Imran also participated]
@Aamir
Ask the army and MQM. The army used MQM in their dirty game (dictatorship with sham democracy) and MQM partcipated willigly in spite of they say that they are ant-establsihment.
PPP also say a lot about working for the poor people of Pakistan and yet the have made a deal with the army (NRO) just to gain (limited) power. Why?
You are in a position to answer all these questions. Why do you ask all the time without answering simple questions yourself?
Make up your mind man! lol @ the army used MQM. Wasn'tn MQM anti state? this means our army is also Anti-State?
@Ali Raza
Anyone who gives up sovereignty is anti state. Blackwater, FBI, drone attacks etc. All of this is being carried out with the acceptance of the army/PPP/MQM. That's why army (amongst others) is also involved in anti-state activities…..The activities don't benefit us. They rather harm us a lot and thus the army is involved in anti-state activities (consciously or unconsciously, directly or indirectly).
Answers are not simple and since you are taking Media Stories [particularly GEO – JANG GROUP] on Corruption as Cardinal Truth then for your kind perusal, the real face of this GEO TV on Ajmal Kasab during Mumbai Terrorist Attack is as under:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBoQGxzV0EU&fe…
Jatoi accepted that it is his right to do corruption. Why don't you accept this statement?
IS CJ Terrorist as well:
Karachi Nazim doing excellent job: CJ SC seeks report on trees cutting in Lahore Wednesday, December 02, 2009 By our correspondent http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=211…
No Ahmed Ghela it is you who is hiding behind the ID of "Observer" I never hide. I ask you to listen to the speech about the 10 hours and then come back to me with a reasonable explanation. Also you know that MQM still backs the statement of the division of the sub-continent. What do you care? you people woke up in Pakistan the next day, neither did your people sacrifice for this country, so let the people who made the country talk for it, and save it.
@Ali Raza
People who are against the creation of Pakistan should leave the "mistake". Isn't that fair?
The people who were responsible for breaking up Pakistan should leave first. Dont you think so? We came here to stay, not going anywhere. you have a problem, try kicking the creators out.
Get your facts right! I said those who are against the creation of Pakistan should leave. Not thosse people who are in favor of the creation of Pakistan!
Lollzz..@..Observer..Lollzz..
Baita kia tum or kia tumhari Ooqqaaat!!! jo tum facts par baat karsako!! acha agar facts par hi baat karni hay to sirf aik sawal ka jawab day do!!! "Jab har suicide attack main Jamati samnay aarahay hain to phir ilzam doosron par rakhnay kay liye propaganda kyoon kar rahay ho???" bhaigharti say???
tum logon nay kabhi sobar DISCUSSION ki hay?????/ hamaisha jhhoota propaganda hi kia hay bas!!!
No dear I have only one ID and i carry on my job..U are anti MQM so u called mqm terrorist party..When u see the fact then u erase any kind of bullshit idea over MQM..
Ohk talk to u later..Q k Li8 jane wali hai..=P
A vague thread which is here to spread more confusion I believe.
Couple of brothers having arguments here about mqm involvement, What benefit would MQM get from arson attack. I am sure, A pea size brain who has mqm phobia or most probably who is in love with Mr. Imran Khan can only say this sort of thing or people who have never visited Karachi before.
TTP has accepted the responsibility of the attack, Now who has done the arson attack on business man community, It wasn't TTP but their apologists – who can't denounce Suicide attacks or who wants to negotiate with the people who are killing our Innocents Pakistanis and taking the responsibility so openly.
Here is the link: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=21…
or if we talk about PTI, Their rant to stop the operation- why because of this :
http://blog.ale.com.pk/BaitullahMehsoodWelcome.pd…
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Anyways, coming back to topic- PM have announced some grant, lets hope it would be reached to right people. Its time to be united, show the unity of Shia Sunni to the whole world so these Talibans can get success in their plans. Its time to fight back with these mofo talibans together and Karachiites are ready for that. They are ready to face every kinda of music but they won't give up and ask for negotiations with these Janwars.
Mr. not so "pea sized" brain-wala. I am not denying TTP involvement. I am just asking for the evidence. Who committed the initial terror bomb and who committed the arson attacks? Obviously it was people who had made preparations to carry out the arson attacks.
The shop keeper in the video said, It was ''Takhreeb kar''. I wonder, why couldn't he say it was mourner or azadars of Jalooos. Surely they weren't.
I raised one more thing in my previous post that what benefit could MQM got by destroying their own people who are their voters too if you or any one blaming MQM for arson attack. MQM's mayor himself was working with the fire-fighters team till in the morning. Farooq Sattar was there till midnight and went back in the evening too. People are disturbed and they know who could be involved.
As I said that apologists of Talibans like Jamat-e-Islami and PTI could be involved.
Or why shouldn't we consider the role of our any secret agency which want to get rid of this democratic government and bring army back in business. Destabilizing financial hub of Pakistan could indeed panic Zardari and his coalition partner if sectarian riots get started. Thanks God and all the parties of Sindh and Altaf Hussain who spoke for the unity and peace right after the attack and it got stopped right there and didn't expand any other part of the city. Otherwise, you should know how dangerous these sectarians fight could be. You should appreciate the role of MQM here at least. The way they have been uniting Shia Sunni is marvellous.
I think, You should watch Tallat Hussain. Shehla Raza who was there in Jaloos at the time of blast has revealed some facts too. According to her, Group of 4-6 people having sticks in their hands were getting in from the right and left right after the attack and start torching up things.
http://awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=6846
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To sum up, I say it again that this thread is here just to spread more confusions among Pakistanis and showing the loss of the lives because of blasts less important than arson attack, IMHO.
n i am talking about the people who "broke" Pakistan should also leave.. what about them?
@Ali Raza
I agree, they should be punished according to the law.
Observer says: December 30, 2009 at 7:09 pm – Ask the army and MQM. The army used MQM in their dirty game (dictatorship with sham democracy) and MQM partcipated You are in a position to answer all these questions. Why do you ask all the time without answering simple questions yourself?
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Answers are not so simple and now read what had done to MQM from 1992 to 1999:
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,AMNESTY,,P…
Amnesty International, Human Rights Crisis in Karachi, 1 February 1996, ASA/33/01/96, available at: http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6a9b40.htm… [accessed 30 December 2009]
You are in a position to answer all these questions. Why do you ask all the time without answering simple questions yourself? [Observer]
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Sir,
As I said earlier that Truth is quite Harsh and I know this mess quite closely, here are some more tips.[DAWN News TV Investigation Report with Masood Sharif -EX DG IB – 6th January 2008 http://www.sharifpost.com/2008/01/06/dawn-news-tv…
'شریف النفس'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/urdu/2009/11/post_544….
حسن مجتییٰ | 2009-11-25 ،12:36
وہ ملک جہاں لاکھوں کروڑوں بے زمین کسان اور کھیت مزدور ہوں، بلکہ ہزاروں لوگ جبری محنت میں بندھے ہوں اور جہاں محض چند خاندانوں کے پاس ہزاروں لاکھوں ایکڑ زمینوں کے رقبے اور جاگیریں ہوں وہاں ہزاروں ایکڑ زمین کے مالک کو 'شریف النفس' قرار نہیں دیا جا سکتا۔
غلام مصطفیٰ جتوئی جیسے پاکستان کے سب سے بڑے جاگيردار کو شخصی طور شریف النفسی کی انفرادیت حاصل ہو تو ہو لیکن سیاسی و اقتصادی طور وہ بھی اس نظام میں غریب مسکین عوام کے جسم پر ایک بڑی جونک ہی تھے۔
یہ تو نواں جتوئی کا پٹواری ہی بتا سکتا ہے کہ وہ زمین کے کتنے رقبے کے مالک تھے لیکن کہتے ہیں کہ سندہ میں ان کی نوے ہزار ایکڑ سے زائد زمین تھی۔ دنیا میں کہیں اور ہو تو ہو لیکن کون کہتا ہے کہ سندھ اور پاکستان میں زمین کا مالک خدا ہوتا ہے۔
ان جاگيروں میں دریائے سندھ کے کنارے دادو ضلع میں کچے کے علاقے میں وہ 'کیٹی جتوئی' بھی ان کی ہی ملکیت تھی جس میں بدنام زمانہ ڈاکو لائق چانڈیو نے مئی انیس سو اکانوے میں اغوا شدہ چینی انجنیئرز یرغمال رکھ کر سندھ میں جام صادق علی حکومت سے مذاکرات کیے تھے۔ جام صادق علی حکومت نے چينی انجنیئروں کی رہائی کے عوض دو کروڑ روپوں سے زائد تاوان کے علاوہ ڈاکوؤں کے مطالبات پر ایک نوجوان کو سندھ پولیس میں اسسٹنٹ انسپیکٹر بھی بھرتی کیا تھا۔ ڈاکوؤں کیساتھ حکومت کے یہ مذاکرات کیٹی جتوئی کے ریسٹ ہاؤس سے خفیہ فوجی ایجنسی کے ایک کرنل اور ایک میجر کی نگرانی میں ہوئے تھے۔
چينی انجنیئروں کو اغوا کرنے والا ڈاکو لائق چانڈیو اس سے قبل ان سندھی قوم پرستوں اور جانو آرائيں سمیت ڈاکوؤں کیساتھ مل کر حیدرآباد سندھ میں تیس ستمبر انیس سو اٹھاسی کے قتل عام میں شامل رہا تھا جس میں تین سو افراد قتل کیے گئے تھے۔ اس کارروائی کا مقصد ملک میں اعلان شدہ وہ عام انتخابات ملتوی کروانے تھے جو ضیا الحق کی موت کے بعد ہونے تھے۔
کہتے ہیں کہ جانو آرائیں کیٹی جتوئی کی زمینوں پر کبھی منشی رہا تھا۔ لیکن انتخابات ملتوی نہیں ہوسکے تھے۔ ان اتنخابات میں علام مصطفی جتوئی اپنے آبائي حلقے سے بھی ہار گئے تھے۔ لیکن بعد میں انیس سو نوے میں انہیں نگران وزیر اعظم بنایا گیا اور انہوں نے بعد میں کھلے عام اعتراف کیا تھا کہ نوے کے انتخابات میں بڑے پیمانے پر سرکاری سطح پر دھاندھلیاں ہوئی تھیں۔
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@Aamir
I know injustice have been done against the Urdu speaking population. I condemn the cruel acts against Urdu speaking brothers and the army action against them. It is not the way to solve the problems in our cities i.e. army action, but that does not give MQM a license to make similar violent acts to "convince" their opponents and innocent civilians. It's a fact that KHI people are afraid to speak against MQM. Look at what happened on 12.th May, the attack against the lawyers etc.
Don't mistook me as an Urdu Speaking or MQM Supporter. After the sad incident above the very next day:
I hope someday, someone will rise and expose those who during General Zia’s days ruthlessly butchered innocent Punjabis, Urdu Speaking, Sindhis and Pashtuns in Riots. Someone must expose those who were behind the massacre of innocent people of Hyderabad in 1988 [more than 200 innocent people died] and then the very next day another ethnic group [more than 90 innocent persons were dead] group was targeted in Karachi to create ethnic unrest amongst people of different walk of life though having different political thoughts. Hamid Gul and Imtiaz were incharge of Internal Security those days, least said is better. One clue, a mysterious white colour Charade/White High Roof Suzuki carried out massacre in almost every location.
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You are talking about danger!!! Isn't Mr Awab, JI, and many other who manage blogs which are critical to MQM living peacefully and carrying on their good work.
@Aamir
"Isn’t Mr Awab, JI, and many other who manage blogs which are critical to MQM living peacefully and carrying on their good work."
Thanks for admitting that they live in a dangerous environment. It's not the ususal stuff from you.
I am not sure about JI. They have some of the same trademark activities as MQM themselves.
Sir,
When you are living in Virtually a Psychological War Zone then you live in dangerous environment [i meant that]. What is usual stuff. You and many on this blog cannot even digest and handle the stuff which if declassified would open more can of worms which you wouldn't have imagined.
I know that a lot dirty business is going, and there is no doubt you must have inside knowledge about rotten deals/incidents from your former job. Why don't you share them?
Guyz remmember to watch Ajj Kamran Khan kay saath tonight at 10pm on GEO NEWS. Where he will reveal answers to many of your Taliban propaganda that was initiated, within seconds after the blast.
Observer says: – December 30, 2009 at 7:21 pm – Jatoi accepted that it is his right to do corruption. Why don’t you accept this statement?
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No Sir. His statement under 164 PPC [that too without any duress] would be acceptable not just some statement on TV show.
@Aamir
Amazing……Don't you accept that he made that statement?
Sir,
Statement before a magistrate is valid in the Court of Law.
I am not in a court of law. I am adressing you!
Who am I? I am a non entity and my opinion doesn't count.
Statement before a Magistrate is valid. Statement on TV in a cheap show is not good enough. I have seen PTV Shows of Kamran Khan [after 1996 Benazir Government Dismissal, Kamran Khan of Jang Group and Sajjad Mir of Nation/Nawa-e-Waqt had appeared on PTV with running commentary on Corruption Details] and within just two years Kamran Khan was filing stories against his own Running Commentary on PTV. Here goes your TV Statement.
@ Ali Ohk Bhai..
Observer says: – December 30, 2009 at 8:10 pm – I know that a lot dirty business is going, and there is no doubt you must have inside knowledge about rotten deals/incidents from your former job. Why don’t you share them?
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No you are not even near the basic information of Dirty Business.
Do you know as to why there was a Shia Sunni Clash in early 80s in Karachi????
@Aamir
It seems like you don't read my comments. I didn't say I am a "know-all".
This is my post:
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I know that a lot dirty business is going, and there is no doubt you must have inside knowledge about rotten deals/incidents from your former job. Why don’t you share them?
Already reflected my views in most the news and other links above.
Typical MQM behaviour. Come with facts instead of abusive language.
A "syed" nature?
Well Aamir Mughar Bhai, I appreciate you for exposing Server and Observer!!! the maniacs!!!
@"Syed"
Aamir hasn't exposed enythiing.
Btw: Is Altaf your father since you have fire in your ass?
Observer says: December 30, 2009 at 8:27 pm – Typical MQM behaviour. Come with facts instead of abusive language.
Sir,
Where is you Quranic Education above for which you were boasting about in another Forum. Does Quran sanction using bad language against bad language.
@Aamir
Where was your "justice" when these children of Altaf started to crawl out of their holes.
@Aamir
Do you think you are smart?
http://www.itslife.in/wp-content/gallery/recipes-…
No, you are not. You are just denying the fact of Jatoi statement.
Bring him in the Court of Law and if he accepts the same there then why would I deny that. Statement before a Magistrate is valid. Statement on TV in a cheap show is not good enough. I have seen PTV Shows of Kamran Khan [after 1996 Benazir Government Dismissal, Kamran Khan of Jang Group and Sajjad Mir of Nation/Nawa-e-Waqt had appeared on PTV with running commentary on Corruption Details] and within just two years Kamran Khan was filing stories against his own Running Commentary on PTV. Here goes your TV Statement.
@ Observer..Jalebi is your favourite sweet??why are u post the link of Jalebi Photo..
The devastation shows as if the place was hit by a massive earthquake or at least the deadly explosives were used.
Back to the topic, please!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un5NeQPHZjM watch diz
Another effort of manipulating the facts – I don't understand where this idea came from – Probably a phone call from blogger's political father or instructions from his political head to write this clueless blog. I would not consider this as a reputable writeup – It is an intention to divert the anger of muslims towards Shias. Seems like you never been close to any Ashura procession – Let me tell you Ashura juloos appears every year and passes through the same route peacefully. They never say or do anything against the law. Attendees are not only Shias but also other sects of islam and the biggest group is our Sunni brother who actively participate in Ashura procession physically, financially and morally.
I have been to many processions in different countries but I can proudly say that 10th Moharrum procession is the most peaceful procession of the world. How can people carry canisters of fuel and potassium while walking with the masses? Lets say they managed it then it means that they knew that the blast is going to happen. Doesn't this sound a joke??? I was watching an interview of Shehla Raza (Deputy Speaker Sindh Assembly) who was present at the occassion when this incident happened. She confirmed that after blast she heard people were trying to control the situation and helping the administration. She said that right after blast she decided to move forward and try to clear the route for ambulances and police but a group of strange people came out from the across roads with canisters of fuel and started burning the shops. She said that she left the Juloos more than a kilometer behind but these strage looking people were doing their activities far ahead.
I am pretty sure more report will come soon – CCTV footage has also been handed over to the administration. Be patient and lets wait few more days till final report comes out. However a sad news for you is that TTP has claimed the responsibility of this blast – it means they knew that is going to happen and as said above that a group must have been ready to complete that task – And the evil group has done that. Now poor bloggers are trying to cover them up.
Lets not play with the facts – Lets start condemning these cruel bastards and send them to hell as soon as possible.
Right, amny such prosessions has been succesful without terrible terror attacks.
What would the first question be for the law enforcement authorities. Who could such an act of terror benefit? Who are the real wire-puller be?
The next question could be to catch the henchmen i.e. who carried out the attacks.
It is obvious that our people are not used to answer question. They start abuse and get offended. Instead they should clear their positions or at least denounce terror as an act to reach their goals.
Observer says: – December 30, 2009 at 8:33 pm – @”Syed”
Aamir hasn’t exposed enythiing. – Btw: Is Altaf your father since you have fire in your ass?
@Aamir
What is the relevance?
They start abuse and get offended [Observer]
@ Server QET Altaf Hussain Bhai is a fatherly figure for us so its better that we stay along the lines where we can come to a conclusion that can be beneficial for the effected people. Rather than we just abuse people who have a following of Millions.
There is no use abusing each other. There can be no fruitful results if a conflict is further split with the intervention of Personal Ego. And kindly use your original names if you are telling the truth. There is no harm in revealing your original identity.
Altaf bhia is like my teacher, he's our leader and We being a worker of him take him as a Spiritual father too. I don't need to remind about the hadith for the teachers and lecturers.
so much trolling and completely off topic things here. No wonder, This topic is a troll anyways.
There is no use crying over spilled milk. We should concentrate to contain further collateral damage. The people who burned the properties and goods have no sect nor religion so its useless to say that they were Shia S or Sunni S.
The point to be noted and discussed is self evident.
How do we help the effected people and how fast this process can be made in to a reality in order to bring back their businesses to normal. I am confident that if each and every person contributes along with the government things can be made a lot better.
The culprits can be identified through the CCTV Coverage and NADRA can help us identify them through Photo ID Check program which they have since the last 3 years.
CCTV FOOTAGE
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N-9rIvhB2U
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvOLSj9P8MQ
@Kunwar
Observer…not Server.
You can regard anyone you like as your fatherly figure. That is none of my business to interfere in your choice. What is important is that we can ask questions about anyone. Be it Altaf, Imran, Nawaz, Zardari or any politician. Altaf is a leader of a political party and a human being. Like all the other leaders he can also commit mistakes – deliberately or not deliberately, and like anyone else he must also face the music. You cannot force me harass me to not to criticize Altaf/MQM. Similarly I cannot or will not force or harass you to refrain from criticizing any other party. That is fairness.
In general we need to get out of this “fatherly figure” thinking, IMO.
PML-N has Nawaz and Shahbaz
PPP has Zardari
PTI has Imran
JI has Munawar
JUI-F has Fazl-Ur-Rehman
Are they not all “fatherly figures” of their respective parties and supporter? Does that mean we cannot criticize any of them?
If I criticize Altaf/MQM, then you have every right to defend. The more proper you defend him the more impact it has on me and all the other participants on this blog – be it MQM supporters or supporters of other political parties.
Isn’t that fair?
Re. abusing each other: I agree with you!
Why are you people so obsessed about knowing my true ID. I could use any name xyz, and still you wouldn't know me for real or do you want me to write my real name, address and ph. no?
"Maazi Main Insanon ko Zinda Jalanay walon ne kia" Shia Ulema Council.