Terrorists are the American Agents: Shia Scholars

Guest Blog by Farhan Janjua

In the aftermath of today’s deadly twin bomb blasts at the Shia pilgrims, the scholars of Jafarria Alliance notably Allama Hasan Zafar Naqvi has blasted the United States of America in strong words stating that these terrorists pretend to be Anti-American and in fact are working on the very own agenda of the US and that very agenda is to destabilize and disintegrate Pakistan.

Allama Naqvi said that there was no chance of sectarian crises because the examplary religious harmony can be seen in the Shia-Sunni community of Pakistan. He said that these attacks are rather an attempt from America to provoke sectarian crises amongst the masses in Pakistan that would ultimately lead to the disaster and bloodshed in every street. Allama further appealed to the Shia community to stay calm and united for the sake of the country’s stability.

The US relations with Pakistan have always been facing the criticism from the general citizens of Pakistan. The hatred and anti-American sentiments in Pakistan are at large once again. People always had the concern and had condemned the drone attacks within our territory, the political relations, and their demands of ‘do more’. Dr. Afia’s case decision added the fuel in the fire and again, today, the reaction of these attacks on Shia community.

In the concluding note, I being a citizen of Pakistan, can see a great .. GREAT.. anti-Americanism among people of Pakistan and I believe this to be a critical phase for Pak-American relations.



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71 responses to “Terrorists are the American Agents: Shia Scholars”

  1. jin_baba Avatar

    No, what this dhakkan is saying is that Sunni Militants are agents of America.

    I guess he has proves that Sunnis have done this.

    He himself is an agent of Iblees.

  2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Allama Abbas Kumaili blames Blackwater??? It is mentioned in Jang update but not in The News.

    Allama Abbas Kumaili Blames Blackwater: Friday, February 05, 2010, Safar 20, 1431 A.H http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2010-daily/05-02-2… Updated at: 2350

    Jafria Alliance announces strike, gives 48-hour ultimatum Updated at: 2355 PST, Friday, February 05, 2010 http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=97938
    KARACHI: Jafria Alliance chief Allama Abbas Kumaili has announced to observe a complete strike on Saturday in Karachi in protest against the Karachi blasts. Addressing a news conference at his residence here on Friday, he set a 48-hour ultimatum for the government to act against the culprits. He said that the blasts were a well-planned conspiracy. What were the police and other law enforcement agencies doing,” he questioned.

  3. tamaaz khan Avatar
    tamaaz khan

    Hey Mr. Alvi,

    Do you think the MQM is behind this one also?

    Maybe, being the USCIARAWMOSSAD agents, they did this to raise the 'fake' spectre of talibanization so that they can control the city.

  4. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    he is right….i believe the recent bomb blast is for diverting public attention from ongoing target killing.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Try this for a change:

      JI splinter group leader, females held for links to suicide attackers Friday, December 18, 2009 By Umar Cheema http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=214063


  5. tamaaz khan Avatar
    tamaaz khan

    OH MY GOD!!

    please tell me…you ARE being sarcastic, right?!

  6. Nazia Avatar

    That doesnt matter that they are Americans or Israeli agents which are fully under protection of our govt and army but my question to Shia clerics is that why they are giving them easy targets.

    We all know that trained terrorists are more committed and capable of creating mess than our LEA and emotional followers of shia who just come out on the call of these senseless clerics.

    They have no vision of handling the ambiguous deadly situation where one should think that human life on the line of duty is more precious than dead bodies and injured people who might pass their next lives as handicapped liability .

    This was extreme negligence of these clerics who even sensing that Americans are all time dominant in Pakistan and Iran stand against US is one of reason of these deadly attacks.

    So why they provide them all opportunities of creating scenes or base for starting religious riots and scenes like 28 Dec which had become out of control.

    So very careless attitude from the leadership of Shia community and they are sharing this criminal negligence along with our LEA.

    Human blood is a symbol of warmth and actions in human life.

    It represents the life and its objectives.

    if it would run in human body it is carrier of many plans of serving your family, community, religion and even your country.

    if it would be wasted on streets on the name of dirty politics, it become worthless or might be used to escalate fanaticism and extremism.More, human would see blood and dead bodies on streets, more trends toward sadism would be felt in living beings around it.

    Wasting it on the name of sacrifices and linking it with concept of Husseiniat is a directionless goal and preserving and securing it for another creative cause is requirement of unarmed and peace loving citizens.

  7. tamaaz khan Avatar
    tamaaz khan


    Nazia you obviously have no connection to the people of Karachi, NOT EVEN SYMPATHY.

    These processions are part of Shia culture.

    You are blaming shia's for carrying out their right to procession in public. It is their right to parade in the streets of their city!

    Why should they sit inside? It is the duty of those that control the rangers and police to provide protection to the civilians!

    To hell with your type of thought…blaming the victims for the barbarism displayed by those who claim to represent ISLAM.

    Laanat on Taliban

    Laanat on Islamic Parties in Pakistan

    Laanat on Sectarian Militants

    Laanat on Conspiracy Theorists like you, who instead of fighting against the obvious evil present in Pakistan, make escuses about USRAWMOSSAD agents and 'emotional shia'

    Stop commenting on the situation in my city, keep your 'provincial' half-literate mind-set to yourself!!!

  8. tamaaz khan Avatar
    tamaaz khan

    @ Nazia

    Should people stop going to Hospitals because of the US agents?

    Should people stop going to Schools because of the US agents?

    Should people stop going to Bazzars because of the US agents?

    Should people stop going to Hotels because of the US agents?

    Should people stop going to Masjids because of the US agents?

    You have displayed your bigotry against Karachi-ites and Muhajirs before in your posts and now its the Shia's turn.

    Please do not hide behind your talk of 'peace loving citizens'.

    There is nothing peaceful in what you preach!

  9. Nazia Avatar


    I feel no ashamed of accepting your all kind of Laanat on me too if you could have returned the live people to their love ones who were just sacrificed for the ego of show of religious powers to other sect.

    What would have happened if this year or for coming years they would restrict their religious affairs in comparatively safe environment.

    Can you return a son ,a father or brother to their families who have been killed for no reason.

    We are living in highly state of religious entropy where no state authority or any political parities are taking responsibility of life and honor of individuals.

    Who told you that this is your city only.

    Would you attach them with your Alim(used in procession) or married them with Quran for securing their highly insecure future in this brutal state?

    If some how you claimed like that then go and bring any substitute for their love ones who from now would only dragged their life with this irreversible trauma through out their purposeless life.

    In our country death toll doesn't matter or affect the credibility of rulers But what it matters is actually presence of human beings around each other at the time of turmoil and chaos.

    Do you think that orphans, widow and shocked mothers can take their life back to normal?

    In my opinion in my country it is more than punishment to live in state of orphan and widow.

    If it is your city then go and ask your political groups that why no body could be caught after deadly attacks on Bhutto convoy, 12 may and 28 Dec incidents or on Ashura days.They are creating all kinds of brotherly scenes for supporting each others in Loot Melas but when ever demand of killers of public come they behave like deaf and dump creatures.

  10. Nazia Avatar

    Tameez khan

    Go ahead and bring as much soft targets as you can for them.

    At least I am against acts of leaders and clerics who are providing preys to those insurgents who are living among them.

    We are in state of war like situation where precautionary measures are part of life for each citizen/

    Why we only think of dying or prepare for loosing our loves ones in terrorism bombing?

    Our rulers , political and religious representatives cashed our dead bodies in a same way as our generals are receiving aids US after showing US their military losses in our war areas.

    After this nobody is cared for dead one.

    The upbringing of educated human is a result of extreme human effort and only devotee parent can feel the enjoyment/ agony of each day in growth of their child.

    So don't try to trap the people in emotional whirlpool or cursing them as cowardice and try to secure/preserve your love ones as much as possible in your domain through your caring gestures, if you lost them, graves are no way give you an alternative solution of a live personality or sign of strength for your enemies.

  11. tamaaz khan Avatar
    tamaaz khan

    Pointless drivel from you Nazia.

    I have to go for Friday Namaaz every week.

    I cannot be kept from praying because of your 'US agents'.

    My children have to go for school every day.

    They cannot be kept from education because of your 'US agents'.

    Should they stop their routines and continue:

    'in comparatively safe environment'

    OR do you think it is a 'ego of show of' our daily routines

    then why should the Shia?

    what about to the orphans and widows of those who are killed by your 'us agents' while going to the masjid…

    are you saying I stop going to the masjid because my wife might become a widow…my children orphans?

    has your fatherhusbandbrother stopped going for friday namaaz in this 'state of war like situation'?

    how dare you blame the victim for the the crime?

    It is not cowardice…it is pure HATRED and a SEMI-LITERATE mindset your types seem to be inflicted with.

  12. Junaid Avatar

    Nazia, U don't make any sense here. I think U should go to some good doctor (psychiatrist). If U love US so much then U must go to Mr. Nadal former US marine Doc or Imam kamini's son as they don't talk of this (maybe)

  13. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    Laanat on Islamic Parties in Pakistan.(BAD TAMEEZ KHAN)


    does this laanat includes the "tehreek e nifaz e fiqh jafria" and other shia religious organizations?

  14. Nazia Avatar

    tameez khan

    We all are doing the same as you mentioned,

    sending kids to school,

    Going to work areas,

    my home is situated just in front of a mosque,

    Moving in congested areas for our daily unavoidable routine jobs.

    but when we sensed abnormality or threats we take precautionary measures.In this ashura procession there was serious threats and even in Kashmir like area suicidal attacked had been scene which was rare of such kind.

    So why Shia management ignored the security of participants of their faith followers.

    Since the time of Bhutto arrival in Karachi , it was seen that all time planted bombs have been used in Karachi roads to create situation of terrorism.

    All these affected areas in Karachi have particular feature that they were under monitoring of CCTV and security cameras so why LEA couldnt trace it before explosion is big question mark on the real performance of government functionaries.

    So in this death valley if you want to spare your love ones , then it is your choice but at least I wouldn't allow people under my responsibility to expose them in life threatening events as the procession like that.

    Why I wasted them for taking creating scenes of horror and terror as I need them in in this brutal world where one can hardly distinguish between friend and foe.

    I am giving you link here which clearly showed that how saudi influence and army management helped anti shia factors to grow in our big cities and then used accordingly.

    Paksitan. a nuclear power and having 5th largest army is among the top in Islamic countries where such killings are being done on the name of religious differences.

    Your frustration is emitting from hard words which you are using for me for nothing as you are living in the world of invisible enemies.

    Your State is unable to give you any kind of security so why you not take precautionary measure as your top most responsibility to secure your dear ones by just adopting clear and practical mode of self defense.

    Choice is yours nobody can pressurize you!

  15. Nazia Avatar


    I am really becoming senseless after seeing the agony of affected victims and their families of war on terror around me.We are losing from all sides.

    Our peace mind , sense of security, good dreams for prosperous Pakistan all are in stake now for others war.

    In border area our trained soldiers are dying , civilians deaths are unaccountable in this concealed war.Financial setbacks while living in war status are becoming out of control and its affects are seriously seeing in rocketing inflation rate.

    Dont worry about me even then I am not in need of psychiatrist as I think in spite of getting a treatment from Nadal like US trained, I would join any peace following movement in my burning countofry.

    Treatment and counseling from sick minded ,unpractical and abnormal psychiatrist should be avoided ,otherwise more scenes like US military base can be repeated here too.

  16. Junaid Avatar

    Looks Nazia,

    U know more then i know as why these ashura stuff takes place in a sunni peaceful majority country. This is a religious gathering and is on the roads. Blocking everything from where they pass. Now be resonable as not everyone has the same blieve in this world. No one can force this to anyone. So, this thing should only be happening in the bargas not in the open where lots of tenssion is in the air since Mr. Musharaf. A hugh majority is set to live in there homes when a hand full of minority marches on the road trying to prove something, which is not acceptable for all in the first place.

    Next if it were to happen then all blames should go directly on the government who are the sponserers of such activity.

    You talk of security, well my dear who can expect that when a country is ruled by a fanatic Mr. 10% and aaaa aaaa aaaaaa PM (hope U get it) how can't U imagine black water.

    I hope peace could be achieved here only when educated majority possessing higher education and good Islamic knowledge both are given the chance to rule this country. Who are non alchaholics etc.

    As we have only been ruled by pathetic puppits of the west who keep there country clean and spill there filth in ours, so peace is not to be expected.

    Hajj activity don't happen in every place and city OK. Islam is simple so this thing shy happen where there is 100% there's majority e.g tehran.

    No ofsense. Just face the reality.

    Terrorism is bad choice of action but facts are to be judged with brain not with screams.

  17. Nazia Avatar

    See junaid

    facts are to be judged with brain not with screams.

    That is what I am screaming under this topic that don't waste your love under bad rulers and poor management.

    You don't expect any kind of efficiency from LEA then why take risks on the basis of emotional religious beliefs.

    Take care of lives who are our only source of strength in this world.

    if a brake failed truck is allowed to move freely in any street of Pakistan then use another route for saving yourself,By placing yourself in front of truck for judging the capability of security people can be vision of fools.I find no other choice for those people who can even smell fishy but cant plan contingency handling in unforeseen situation.

  18. Raza Avatar


    The solution that you are suggesting will only help the culprits, the solution lies in capturing the culprits and those who are helping them. Also Quran teaches us not to keep silent whenver there's injustice but it encourages us to protest publicly against it as we read in the following verse,

    "Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things." (Surah Nisa 4-148)

  19. Junaid Avatar


    I completely agree with U and i like Ur example of the truck without breakes.

    U are right.

    Take Care.

    Best Regards.

  20. Nazia Avatar

    Junaid & Raza

    we civilians are facing worst kind of law and order situation where police and rangers are even helpless of securing themselves so how can they protect us from these invisible forces.

    When ever any attack like grenade or planted bomb explodes , police men are on run with ordinary civilians as they also want to live.

    Our all sources of self defense are only kept for VIPs and trained police men are deputed for their security as per demand so who is bothering for ordinary people.

    Unarmed and untrained civailins cant handle this highest level of terrosim that is being repeated in our soil for many years.

    So be watchful and careful before any emotional act on our risky routes .

  21. tamaaz khaan Avatar
    tamaaz khaan

    @ dr. JK

    'does this laanat includes the “tehreek e nifaz e fiqh jafria” and other shia religious organizations?'

    yes…all those that use Islam as a tool to promote themselves! and those that perpetuate conspiracy theories like this fellow in the article.

    worst are those who raised the cry of 'NAPAK-istan' and then pretend to be patriots in almost all oppression taken place in our 60+ yr history i.e. Jammat e-Na-Islami.

    @ Nazia

    'So be watchful and careful before any emotional act on our risky routes .'

    Thanks for your concern, but living in Karachi I've had to deal with religious terrorism (taliban, JI) or state terrorism (government clean-up operations) since my childhood.

    In Karachi we blame the perpetrators of terrorism not the victims.

    Like we got rid of JI and Army we will get rid of the Taliban, so we can have OUR 'emotional acts' or entertainment acts, or whatever acts WE citizens of karachi choose to have on OUR streets.

  22. Jibran Avatar

    Who would benefit from these blasts?

    MQM –> may be? they had big pictures of their so-called Karkuns in a big ground, namaz-e-Janaza…..Peer Kallan used to blame Jamat-e-Islami to play politics on "mayyats"…lets see who is playing politics now….

    BTW, these blasts took away foucs away from the following

    1- Ethnic cleansing of Pathans in Karachi.

    2- Protests in the favor of Dr. Afia Siddiqi

    3- *Shahadat* of US army officers in operation RAH-E-NIJAT.

  23. nota Avatar


    "BTW, these blasts took away foucs away from the following

    1- Ethnic cleansing of Pathans in Karachi.

    2- Protests in the favor of Dr. Afia Siddiqi

    3- *Shahadat* of US army officers in operation RAH-E-NIJAT."

    Love the 'Shahadat' bit! 🙂 (Though am saddened how many 'militants' will be killed in revenge for these shaheeds by operation RAH-E-NIJAT 🙁 )

  24. tamaaz khaan Avatar
    tamaaz khaan

    @jibran and nota

    yes it was the MQM, they bombed their own people!!!

    where will this country go when people favor WILD CONSPIRACIES over FACTS in order to propagate their hate filled agendas

    Thankfully, in Karachi, the population is more educated than the rest of the country, and can RATIONALIZE, rather than subscribe to half baked theories that are so rampant in the LESS EDUCATED parts of the country.


    …you two are mentally retarded…do you even buy the c*ap you two just wrote…you CANNOT be serious!

  25. tamaaz khaan Avatar
    tamaaz khaan

    Maybe…MQM is BLACKWATER…they have been bought out by Blackwater to destabilize Pakistan…

    We all know that Altaf Hussain has now been inducted in the Freemason society in England…and now world with the ILLUMINATI for the NEW WORLD ORDER along with MOSSAD and RAW

    It's not like there has been a history of sectarian violence in Pakistan before 911…when were Shia's targeted in Pakistan?

    There was no terrorism in Pakistan before 911 it has all been perpetrated by:


    to break up Pakistan


  26. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Why we all forget that MQM had also faced worst State Persecution from 1992 to 1999.

    There was General Asif Nawaz’s famous interview to the BBC, during which he dubbed the MQM as a terrorist organization. Whether this was true or not, it was no business of an army chief to pass this judgment. Subsequently, the army played a far from passive role in helping the dissidents of the MQM Haqiqi to take over the offices of the mainstream MQM.

    Human Rights Crisis in Karachi 1996 REPORT OF AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL/UNHCR:


    US State Deptt – Pakistan.


  27. MB Avatar

    I can only pity on the self deception of the SUNNI SHIA and all other ulemaz who keep on deceiving themselves as well as their following.

    Every person with an iota of sense knows that there are extemist outfits on both side who keep the flames high for their political and sectarian agendaz.

    Instead of having some balls to acknowledge this, THE MULLAZ on both side ridicule their own wisdom when they keep dragging ISRAEL INDIA and USA for just about every incident of violence.

    yar kia zalalat hai , buzdili ki. Tappar hai to apney garebanun mei jhanko awaam ko **** bananey ki bajai . .


    poor PAKISTAN

    Hijacked by MULLAZ

    Hijacking Pakistan – Part 1

    Hijacking Pakistan – Part 2

    hamare mulk mei paani nahi, ye bhi israel/amreeka ki sazish

    cheeni nahi ye bi unko sazish

    aata nahi , ye bhi unki sazish

    bijli nahi ye bhi unki sazish . .

    hamare upre ka portion khali hai . . . ye bhi unki sazish


  28. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    agreed completely with nazia and amir mughal…

  29. MB Avatar

    more on WHO IS ruling PAK by Dividing :

  30. farrahshah Avatar

    The quetion is not who are these people …Terrorists cannot be recognised …we do not know about them in advance when and how they will attack.

    In Pakistan at present there are alot of various parties and countries involved.

    I mean who can we rule out ??

    The only thing we can do is eductate our public and equip our police and anti terror squads.

    When we talk about Terrorism we talk about ghosts …when and how they will strike we do not know that but how we can avert it we can plan it,how to reduce the casualities we can work on that

    The government has failed,CCTV footage of first attack on Shiat procession has not been brought to public neither they are giving reasons why they are holding it?

    Have they arrested anyone on that link?

    What is the story of this crime ??has any channel brought us a detailed docuementary of investigative journalism answering any questions?


    Second is government has failed us on educating masses regarding Terrorism when a Shia procession was passing why that stupid suspicious Motorbike with the Monitor was not suspected and picked up before.


    Was there no police on the route ……for if tehre was why they did not pick up on the bike.they should have stopped the procession and checked it out.

    For Mr.President or Prime Minister police escorts them why police was not escorting this.

    Third is Hospital ,everything was left as normal why it was not palnned before hand if anything happened how things will work.Again absence of volunteers to form up ques and avoid chaos and again absence of police ,again absence of no plan in th ehospital itself to handle crises???

    Clear failure of Government officials and lack of planning or delibrate negligence.

    No plan of action.


    We are fighting the biggest war on Terroirism yet how many screening fascilities have we got .How much have we equiped our police and Rangers or anti terrorism squad.


    For God sake we have not even secured hospitals???Who is doing it ?

    Fine we cannot control Terrorist acts but what we do after the attcak happens to contain it ???

    5 Lakh ruppee and 2 lakh ruppee ….shame ????shame and shame…horrible .

  31. farrahshah Avatar

    People of Paksiatn need to get tough on this.

    Demand answers?

  32. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan


    thanks for the share. but the answer have many dimentions and many shocking details. the best answer so far we have is given by Dr.Ayesha siddiqa in "military inc. inside pakistan's military economy"…but again answer is not complete there is shocking details of corruption of army generals related with land grabbing and war against pakistani citizens for the sake of dollars and lavish life style after retirement in pakistan and abroad.

  33. farrahshah Avatar

    @dr jawwad

    Pakistan's military economy must be good after all each time the general rules Paksitan be it Musharraf or Zai the GDP crosses 8% .Even it was at its best during Ayub times as well.

    So it means army has some good brains or at least will to invest in the projects to benefit its workers and itself.


    Now tell me these corrupt governments and civilians who stops them from engineering such projects…NAWAZ and ZARDARI and rest they have their own corporates bigger than army budgets …..we just ignore them that these are their private Businesses….they do not do anything for the public or even their own workers.

    I am appreciating army becasue it provides hospitals,schools,and housing not to generals but to sipahee and general.

    I think it is the best example …rest should follow it ,for the doctors,for the engineers ,teachers,nurses…for God sake this is how the world works..

    But no ….we cannot see the model I think instead Aysha Sadiqa should have questioned if Fauji Foundation,Fauji fertilizer,Faugi school are working why rest are not unless they are personal businesses.

    The answer is simple because civilians are too corrupt and have no will to help themselves.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar


      Martial Law, NRO, NAB & Across The Board Accountability.

      REFERENCE: Cover Story The New Land Barons? By Ayesha Siddiqa http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewsJul2006/cover1jul2

      Book shines light on Pakistan military's '£10bn empire' Declan Walsh in Islamabad The Guardian, Thursday 31 May 2007 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/31/books

  34. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    @farrah shah!

    do you have some close relative in pakistan army?

  35. Nazia Avatar


    I think you are unaware of allocation of budget for health and education sectors which is negligible as compared to giant defense budget.that is reason they can make hospitals, educational institutes and what ever luxury they want for themselves.

    You know a general ranks equal to 22 grade officers and this level is equal to Vice chancellor of University or senior doctors/engineers of any govt institutes .They throughout their professional life struggles day and night for coming to this point and receive salary and perks that are only 30% of all which one general picks from Govt exchequer.

    I think you never checked the difference of MH and CMH working conditions.If time go and check how these soldiers are treated and see the quality of medicines and laboratory there.After this then you would judge what I am trying to tell you.

    You have diverted all national income towards defense budget and taking them as spoiled child of weak parents so don't expect human miracles by minors.

    Who told you they are not corrupt but I can assure you since the time of Zia one can hardly found any army related institution where details of corruption ,favoritism and nepotism is not linked with its officers.

    Now military organization is as corrupt as any civilian here follow the chain of command is first obligatory rule and in corruption and then for its concealment they also follows this chain reaction which strongly moves from higher authority to lower level.

  36. Nazia Avatar


    You have again provided me gem and I am sending it to many close friends of mentioned people who are always admiring them in public places for their heroic efforts in their departments.

    I would add just a little that after leaving NAB these Musharf's men are ere deputed to many military related organizations where they doubled this corruption ways as you mentioned.

    They increased salaries, perks, foreign trips and TA/DA in dollars and euros, even in their tenure they entitled their spouses and unmarried sibling in company's facilities which I am sure is not available to Head of state of US and UK like countries.

    Once in a dinner I heard that general munir hafeez wife was praising a lot for Imran khan and declaring that next time she would cast her vote for him.

    I just gave her hint that before casting vote kindly review his websites in which she might get the lengthy corruption details of her hubby.

    I am sure this way I had dropped one important vote of Imran khan but at least that duffer lady should realize that what his husband had done to Pakistan.

    One of his nearest colleagues told us that wherever munir hafeez was posted in Pakistan, when ever he got a news that army men confiscated fine wine from smuggler he couldnt resist and send an army vehicle to bring it for his taste.

    So as per my observation except for few , most of Musharraf army friends in govt had a very low profile or standard of living.They could be fallen from their standard just for a bottle of wine a woman or a piece of land.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Ms Nazia,

      More appropriate would be this post to share with everybody who "innocently think" that Khakis are snow white clean, read the details….Complete from 1999 to 2008 Dec and even onwards: When one tries to keep everybody happy through lies then this effort is often result in worst kind of Intellectual Dishonesty of which Mr Ansar Abbasi, the Senior Correspondent of Jang Group of Newspapers is a glaring example in particular and Jang Group in general. READ ANSAR ABBASI ON ISI AND THEN READ HIS OWN NEWSPAPER/GROUP ON ISI and Pakistan Army. http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/01/jang-gro
      Jang Group, Ansar Abbasi VS Military Establishment.

  37. MB Avatar

    This reminds me of :

    Black Stains in Pakistan’s History – 3

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear MB,

      Part of the excerpts I shared with Ms. Nazia, for your kind perusal:

      Pardon. Characters were General Fazl-e-Haq [Former Governor NWFP], Air Marshal Shamid Anwer and his relative Khursheed Anwer Mirza and last but not the leased the crooked Banker of BCCI Agha Hasan Abedi [Money Launderer for Colombians, Panamanians and Contra above all US CIA]

      A minor correction. It was Hamid Husnain [Former Habib Bank Executive] adopted son of General Zia who was caught in a Narcotics Case and the then US Government intervened because “Jihad” was in full swing!!! Background is as under – Read the facts after Religious Text. Narcotics, Drug Trade and Islam http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/narcotic

  38. Nazia Avatar

    Oh sure mughal I would keep it for sending to real lovers of these officers.

    It looks so funny that when we bring such reports in front of army officers, they either loose their temper or start justifying stance of army in most comedic and illogical ways that we sometime feel ashamed of talking to them.

    You might know that corruption practice is still being continued under Kiyani regime and that is why I never think of praising performance of army under his corrupt management.In our country terrorism is promoted due to corruption of military officers as if other department do wrong doings it can only affect the working performance of interior department that might bankruptcy of relevant institute, but when senior army officers do corruption it breach our security issues and let insurgent and terrorist to move freely around us wihtout any fear.

    Kiayni's brother a retired Brigadier, now in construction business is being highly indulged in DHA deals and sometime his private project processed under ISI like agencies.So what else one can expect from a COAS who even cant control his brother who is allegedly doing all this under the cover of his influential brother.

  39. farrahshah Avatar

    Hi Dr.Jawwad …and friends

    Am I a relative of some general or brigadier …no


    The only thing is I am not following the crowd ,I never say they are whiter than white and I am not blind to the profession of the armies and I do know how the armies around the world operate and work and I am convinced we do need an army and this is the lesson I learnt from my personal habbit of reading books


    the downfall of Mulsims started when they ignored millitary needs.

    Now there are many people who say why we need an army?

    we should have no borders…army is a white elephant ?


    Why we cannot be like Switzerland and many more


    But I live in a practical world.

    British think because of their dependancy of Defence on USA Tony Blair couldnot say No to War on Terror.


    Tell me how does Chinese,USA,Indian ,North Korea and South Korea ,Turkish or Iranian army operates what are their budgets ?

    Than I will rethink on the budget of Pakistan Army ?

    Nuclear arms race and Non-prolifiration treaties and yet all the first world countries like USA,Britain and rest do invest ,develop , buy and sell arms?for what and why ???

    Ahhh! Bloody war on Terror and Osama and Twin Towers and Taliban ……

    Why are Britain and USA talking to Taliban ….have Taliban changed their allegiance or tactics????

    I think you know the answers.

    Might is right .And I want my RIGHT of MiGHT to Survive


    Just see how Tammils are massacred as compared to Taliban ??

    See the difference???

    Talibaan who are fighting the war with Nato forces ??


    I think Paksiatn Army is worth every single penny spent on them.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      How about this inequality????

      Second class category is enjoyed by Pakistani, Indian and Bengali Muslims in any Oil Rich Arab Countries [no rights of Citizenship and owning property and even marrying local would be like asking for trouble (mind you this is Anti Islam)]. Whereas after few years you are able to become a US/Canadian National and become part of their system so why don't Muslim Countries start from this to fulfill the pipe dream of United Ummah. Why complain when there are skeletons in our own cupboard.

      Dear Ms. Farrah,

      Complete overhauling is needed in Muslim Countries i.e. Horizontally and Vertically.

    2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      farrahshah says: February 8, 2010 at 8:18 pm the downfall of Mulsims started when they ignored millitary needs.


      Dear Ms. Farrah,

      It is Allah's system to give rise to some nations sometime and fall to some, try to ponder on this verse.

      Fall of Muslims:

      وَلَوْلاَ دَفْعُ اللّهِ النَّاسَ بَعْضَهُمْ بِبَعْضٍ لَّفَسَدَتِ الأَرْضُ وَلَـكِنَّ اللّهَ ذُو فَضْلٍ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ

      And if Allah had not repelled some men by others the earth would have been corrupted. But Allah is a Lord of Kindness to (His) creatures. [ AL-BAQARA (THE COW)Chapter 2 Verse 251]

      Rise of Non-Muslims:

      قُلِ اللَّهُمَّ مَالِكَ الْمُلْكِ تُؤْتِي الْمُلْكَ مَن تَشَاء وَتَنزِعُ الْمُلْكَ مِمَّن تَشَاء وَتُعِزُّ مَن تَشَاء وَتُذِلُّ مَن تَشَاء بِيَدِكَ الْخَيْرُ إِنَّكَ عَلَىَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ

      Say: O Allah! Owner of Sovereignty! Thou givest sovereignty unto whom Thou wilt, and Thou withdrawest sovereignty from whom Thou wilt. Thou exaltest whom Thou wilt, and Thou abasest whom Thou wilt. In Thy hand is the good. Lo! Thou art Able to do all things. [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 – Verse 26]

      Strong Military or Nuclear Bomb is not the guarantee of Safety in view of this:

      وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ اللّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلاَ كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَهُوَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدُيرٌ

      If Allah touch thee with affliction, there is none that can relieve therefrom save Him, and if He touch thee with good fortune (there is none that can impair it); for He is Able to do all things. [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 Verse 17]

    3. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      the downfall of Mulsims started when they ignored millitary needs. [Farrah Shah]


      Ponder on this:

      A group of Muslims came to Hasan al Basree (d.110H) seeking a verdict to rebel against al Hajjaaj. So they said, "O Abu Sa'eed! What do you say about fighting this oppressor who has unlawfully spilt blood and unlawfully taken wealth and did this and that?" So al Hasan said, "I hold that he should not be fought. If this is the punishment from Allah (Ta'aala), then you will not be able to remove it with your swords. If this is a trial from Allah (Ta'aala), then be patient until Allah's Judgement comes, and He is the best of Judges." – So they left Al Hasan, disagreed with him and rebelled against al Hajjaaj – so al Hajjaaj killed them all. [Reference: Ibn Sa'ad in Tabaqaatul Kubraa]

  40. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    Terrorists are the American Agents: Shia Scholars Posted by Farhan JanjuaFebruary 6, 2010


    To some extent he is right,

    Now read this : Iranian envoy urges Pakistan to act against Jundullah Updated at: 1715 PST, Monday, February 08, 2010

    For whom Jundullah Work???


    Iran was the first country who recognized Pakistan after Pakistan came into being in 1947. If Iran is not friendly with Pakistan then explain this:

    How would you define US’s tinkering in Iran

    Target Iran: Former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter and Investigative Journalist Seymour Hersh on White House Plans for Regime Change December 21, 2006

    Preparing the Battlefield by Seymour M. Hersh. Annals of National Security Source: The New Yorker

    Direct Link with no comments: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a08_1200949185&amp

    Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright and CIA Operation Ajax in Iran http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/hillary-

    Secrets of History: The C.I.A in Iran By JAMES RISEN http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/0416

    “What’s New on the Iran 1953 Coup in the New York Times Article (April 16, 2000, front page) and the Documents Posted on the Web” By Professor Mark Gasiorowski

    19 April 2000 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/

  41. Aamir Mughal Avatar

    After all these Killings————Politics goes on and if that visit was due then why this visit was not arranged earlier to avoid the bloodletting of Innocent human beings [both Pashtuns and Urdu Speaking].

    MQM team visits Mardan House Updated at: 1955 PST, Monday, February 08, 2010 http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=98182 KARACHI: The MQM’s Rabita Committee has said that Muttahida Qaumi Movement wants to put the province and the country on the path of progress by talking along Awami National Party. According to a statement issued here on Monday, an MQM delegation headed by Wasim Aftab and Raza Haroon has visited Mardan House and condoled ANP’s provincial leadership at the demise of veteran politician Ajmal Khatak.

    7 Karachi firing victims laid to rest Friday, February 05, 2010 Our correspondent http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=222584

    Meanwhile, ANP leader and senior minister from the NWFP, Bashir Ahmad Bilour, arrived in Karachi to ease tensions between the parties in the provincial coalition. Speaking at a press conference on Thursday at the Karachi Press Club, Bilour said that the ANP is ready to go everywhere, including the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) headquarters Nine-Zero, for talks which may help maintain peace in Karachi. MQM, ANP exchange barbs Friday, February 05, 2010 By our correspondents http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?I

  42. farrahshah Avatar

    cLAssiC PAkiSTAn

    Four women among six held from ‘massage centre’


    Monday, February 08, 2010

    Our crime correspondent


    The Islamabad Police Sunday arrested six persons including four women from a massage centre in Sector F-8/3, a police spokesman said.


    The above mentioned issue something on the same lines in Islamabad started LAL MASJID ISSUE ….so Muahrraf went …

    BB Died ,NRO game and Chief Justice and people hated their own army and the issue remains there as well.


  43. Nazia Avatar


    i think I am little bit of correct in my first para of@38

    Your decalaration

    the downfall of Muslims started when they ignored military needs.

    So you are trying to prove that progress in muslims is linked with militarism .For your kind information all poor and rich muslim countries spent maximum of their earnings on defense purpose,that is why they come in the category of underdeveloped, poorest, over population and with weakest human development coutries of the world.

    In only dictionary of military dictators, development of country is linked with strong arms and number of soldeirs but practically it has been failed by many nations and human development is only linked with peace.Europe is one of civilized example of this kind.

    you again try to compare all with Pakistan

    tell me how does Chinese,USA,Indian ,North Korea and South Korea ,Turkish or Iranian army operates what are their budgets ?

    -US is super power.

    -China and India are considered as few of fastest growing economy of world in spite of their huge defense budget

    -Among the Four Asian Tigers, the South Korean economy is the fourth largest in Asia and 13th largest in the world.

    -The North Korean economy is completely nationalized, which means that food rations, housing, health care, and education is offered from the state for free. The payment of taxes has been abolished since April 1, 1974 .

    -Iran is facing financial crisis due to international restrictions but under Ahmed nijat rural development is his on top priority of the govt.

    -The GDP growth rate from 2002 to 2007 averaged 7.4% which made Turkey one of the fastest growing economies in the world/

    Can you find any one quality in Pakistan or you can also compare such kind of insecure life in Pakistan where army is fighting inside the boundaries of Pakistan for last 7 years is hardly seen in your mentioned country.

    Your think tank mind emits that

    I think Pakistan Army is worth every single penny spent on them.

    Oh sure when 60% budget is allocated for 1%population only then any such kind of justification is incomparable and unmatchable to human development in under developed countries.

    Our army always looks for such platforms like Taliban then anti Taliban for justifying all kind of single penny spent on them.

    Tamils are not product of sri lanka govt or its army but frustrated and deprived class of locals who got armed through neighbors.

    You first armed people for talibanisation process and then aided US on war on terror to eradicated your home grown breed.

    So its better first to accept the reality and then think about sumptuous expenditures of army.

  44. Nazia Avatar


    that is what I am trying to say that when ever vultures see dead bodies they fly altogether to highest point in friendly gestures.They only fight on shares when it is done they live like brotherly attitude.So our politicians are like vultures whose survival is only based on number of dead bodies lying uncovered on the ground.

  45. Nazia Avatar


    do you really think that a tiny massage center was real issue behind lal mosque or for ousting Musharraf??

    Sorry very sorry I have wasted my time to telling you some other aspect of story.

    If you dont know then I can tell you hundreds of massage sex centers in Rwp/Islamabad areas working for many years and giving services to elite class of twin cities.

    So keep on searching for all and you would get new dimensions of real story behind this Musharf insulting exit.

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Yes it was and it wasn't a Tiny Little Massage Center!

      Massage centre abductees were from MMA Wednesday, June 27, 2007 http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id

      ISLAMABAD: Two of the nine persons kidnapped from a Chinese massage centre in F-8/3 late on the night of June 22 by the local Taliban and who were mysteriously released by the police belonged to the MMA, authoritative sources have told The News. Seven of those kidnapped were Chinese and their identity was made public while the identity of the two Pakistanis was not disclosed. The sources said that the two Pakistanis were Matiullah Khan and Raqiaz Khan from Bannu. Matiullah Khan, a nephew of the former member of National Assembly, the late Maulana Naseeb Ali Shah, was contesting elections from the seat of his uncle. Raqiaz Khan was his supporter, they added.

  46. dr jawwad khan Avatar
    dr jawwad khan

    A group of Muslims came to…………….[Reference: Ibn Sa'ad in Tabaqaatul Kubraa]

    (Amir mughal)


    i humbly disagree with the idea extracted from the advice of hasan al basri. His advice might have strategical implications rather final judgement.

    We should not forget the hadith:

    "The Holy Prophet said: The greatest jihad is to speak the word of truth to a tyrant."

    (Mishkat, Book of Rulership and Judgment, ch. 1, sec. 2)

    Also we should not forget the attitude of Imam e AAli Maqam hazrat Hassan (ra) and also the attitude of Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal when he did "rebelled" against the evil deeds in his time. He came out along with his followers and demolished some centers of evil deeds by himself and faced some of harshest punishment.

    Best regards

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Hazrat Hussein Bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Khurooj was not rebellion [I have detailed discussion with you already] and Yazeed Bin Muawiyah [May Allah have mercy on his soul] was not a tyrant. [Again I have detailed discussion with you on this]. Please provide the names of any other Companion [May Allah be pleased with them] who participated with Hazrat Hussein Bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]who took part in that incident [which you call Khurooj] because more than 300 Companions were alive during the days of Karbala. Prominent were Abdullah Ibn Umar, Abdullah Bin Zubyr, Abdullah Bin Abbas, Abdullah Bin Jaffer Tayyar [May Allah be pleased with them] and they didn't go with him.

      Also please inform when did and where did Ahmed Bin Hanbal took to the sword [Please provide reference – I have with me his biography written by Abu Zehra Misri]

      Read the the text of the advice again because the people came to Hasan Al Basari were talking about fighting and Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]'s advice is saying the right thing before a tyrant. There is a difference between speaking and raising sword.

      The actual Hadith is as under:

      The most excellent JIHAD (striving in the way of Allah) is when one speakes a true word in the presence of a Tyrannical Ruler. {Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi}.

      What is the highest form of Jihad (striving)? Mohammad (PBUH) said: Speaking truth to a Tyrannical Ruler. {Nisa'i}.

    2. Aamir Mughal Avatar

      Dear Jawwad Sahab,

      You have written the name of Hazrat Hasan Bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] but you should have written Hussein Bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] because Hazrat Hasan Bin Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] fulfilled the prophecy of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH and Hasan Maternal Grandfather] by surrendering Caliphate to Hazrat Muawiya Bin Aby Sufiyan [May Allah be pleased with him] {Reference: Bukhari, Tabari, Ibn-Athir, Tabaqat Ibn Saad, Ibn Khaldun, Al Bidaya Wal Nahaya, and Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf]

  47. farrah shah Avatar
    farrah shah


    I think it is alright to think strong defence is the best defence.and I do like to support my soldiers who at the age of eighteen sign the pact with the soil,if I have to do it I will think twice.

    Neither can I tell the mothers who have lost their sons that they were in wrong profession ,protection is a job someone has to do it …brave are those who stand up to protect cowards like me.

    No I am not emotional I am from a humble background and since staying in West has opened my eyes big time.

    The choices I have to make are when British and Pak army stand to fight on whose side I am and say both.

    I would like to see a free world without wars but that is not possible in any near future.

    My choices are hard and based on my experiences.


    Regarding the brothel everything is interlinked….I see things as a whole ….Lal Masjid issue started by burning DVDs and threatening brothel.

    and the rest followed.

    So who is right the brothels or the Lal Masjid?The question again returns to the same point.

  48. farrah shah Avatar
    farrah shah

    maybe I am too disappointed I have no political will to stand on pickets.

    Life will carry on ,met Benazir ,never tried to meet Nawaz and met Mush ….

    and I am no more interested in politics….I resign to Sufism and just want to live my life.

    Pakistan will take time to form a strong political will it is interesting at present things are too mish mash when we will get over US invasion than maybe we will be able to make up our minds.

    But I am hopeful a very positive future awaits Pakistan.

    I do not mind the criticism on army or politicians this is how healthy societies come into being .

    Army should mind its business and improve its image and should support people struggle…the questions many of my friends raise are very valid but I am against to think we can do without one.

  49. abrar Avatar

    farrah shah,

    you said: " …and I do like to support my soldiers who at the age of eighteen sign the pact with the soil,"

    so when did Allah tell Muslims to sign pacts with the soil? and not HIM?

  50. MB Avatar

    Nazia / Amir Mughal :

    thanks for the comment , but my main interest is PAKISTAN and not some retards ARMY officers/politicians/bureaucracy ETC.

    ARMY is suppose to be just another PROFESSIONAL GUARDs but in PAK ARMY is associated (after the brainwashing of 60s and 70s and 80s read hijacking PAK series on my blog) with ISLAM in PAKISTN

    which is absolutely BULLSHIT !! to say the least

    and most importantly, expanding their pajamas this ARMY is then associated with ARMY of ISLAM

    WTF !!

    1. Aamir Mughal Avatar


      You are welcome and one more for the road.

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