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Faking a Flogging Video for Military Advancements?

Almost a year back the political circus in Pakistan was up in arms at having watched a video of woman being flogged publicly. The video was released after verification by some human rights activists. Only recently The News carried a report claiming that this video was a fabrication and alleging that it was funded by an Islamabad based NGO which tried to implicate Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) as the perpetrators of this women’s abuse

The News 29th March 2010: A resident of Swat, who claims to have prepared the fake video of flogging of a girl in Swat, has termed it drama and revealed that he received Rs 0.5 million for doing so before the launch of military operation ‘Rah-e-Rast’.

The uproar this video generated particularly among secular elements feared that the Swat peace deal would in effect hand over Swat to the Taliban who would carry out similar brutal punishments in the garb of Islam.

On the flip side, the timing of this release was so critical that it could easily be speculated that the Pakistan Army may have been the source of the funding and attempt to drum up support for their offensive in swat. It follows in perfect line to the drama played out by Sufi Mohammed and the bogus peace deal attempt by the Government of Pakistan, which was a definite attempt to transfer the ownership of the War in Swat from the being an immensely criticized Pakistan Army driven offensive to helping it transform into a more politically palatable ‘peoples war’. This fiasco by Sufi Muhammed and the Flogging Video helped change the nation to from being Anti-offensive to a more supportive role to the national army to finish off these Talibans

If this news report is true and the video does end up being a drama staged for political / military advancements, I would be very critical against the perpetrators but will not condemn or criticize the efforts of Samar Minallah or Tahira Abdullah who initially released this video. Such efforts in whistle-blowing important issues like these need to be very supportive, as sadly they both have been at the receiving end of a public outcry, with dire threats and constant emotional barrage against them. It is my belief that at the time of the release, to the best of their verifiable knowledge, this was video, staged or upstaged, was verified as authentic by the original video-grapher. It is important to support whistle blowers and ensure that such revealing come forth, as generally the immense negativity only creates doubts forcing whistle blowers to err on the side of caution which may end up being detrimental for any important issue that must be brought forth.

Bottom line, it is for the umpteenth time, Pakistanis have yet again been taken for a ride by the military establishment and its numerous sister covert agencies, its time due pressure is applied by the civil society and the media to hold them accountable for their actions, if at all possible


82 Comments

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Ms. Tahira Abdullah with a strange twist: And if that was not enough the group which was supporting the Flogging Video was also supporting Mr. Ansar Abbasi who was the harshest critique of that Video: Meanwhile, the civil society, traders and common citizens, who have been protesting in the twin cities and Murree to show solidarity with Ansar Abbasi, once again staged a protest demo in front of the Geo TV Building. The participants of the Monday’s sit-in were holding placards favouring the daring journalist of Jang Group. Arshad Abbasi, Jamil Abbasi, Aziz Satti, Sawar Satti, Ather Minallah, Tahira Abdullah and Jahangir Akhtar were prominent among the participants. Addressing the participants, Arshad Abbasi paid rich tributes o the editor investigations, The News, and said media was not a governing authority anywhere in the world but it was the duty of media to highlight the malpractices, and this was what Ansar Abbasi was doing. Journalists protest threats to Ansar Abbasi Wednesday, January 07, 2009 our correspondent Islamabad http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=156

  • Nadir El Edroos |

    claims and counter claims, this is one of those "aha" moments! where all those people who believed that no muslim could perpetrate such behaviour. Whether this video was actually true has just lost all credibility given the previous and now current question marks regarding the validity of the video…this is just going to start another cycle of how everything is a conspiracy! The real question then is not whether the video is fake or not, the real question is whether it actually affects the validity of the operation that took place

    • Teeth Maestro |

      Nadir – I think you hit the nail on the head

      <quote>"The real question then is not whether the video is fake or not, the real question is whether it actually affects the validity of the operation that took place"</quote>

      My guess is that, this and the Sufi Muhammad fiasco both of which were deliberately over played in the media are significant in shifting a "negative" army sentiment to a heroic sentiment allowing them a thumbs up to go guns blazing into Swat

  • Samad Khurram |

    Dr. Sahib,

    A couple of things:

    1) The Taliban have already confessed that the video was real. Muslim Khan is on record accepting this:


    What about this:
    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-

    2)Even if this video is fake that does not mean that similar incidents were not happening in Swat. Anyone seen the be-headings of Pakistani soldiers? The abduction of so many people for ransom? The forced marriages by the Taliban? The video only highlights one of the aspects that we are aware of. I can show you one other photograph of a similar flogging from swat:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=36467629&am

    Hundreds of such images and videos are there. Are they all NGO funded?

    3) One must understand why this issue is being raised up right now. The issue was dead, until the Pakistani forces took over Bajaur and started getting serious on the Taliban. This was only possible because of the outpour of support for the military operation and the hatred for the Taliban. Gallup suggests that ONLY 4% of the people said that Taliban had a positive influence (http://www.gallup.com/poll/126602/taliban-increasingly-unpopular-pakistan.aspx). This is part of the larger "Rebuilding the Taliban Image Campaign".

    • raza |

      and why do u guys forget what happened in Hangu and Parachinar??

      there are lots of videos of barbaric acts of taliban available on youtube!

    • junaid |

      Raza,

      Your comments are biased because of Shia-Sunni differences and hence invalid.

    • Amir Khan |

      Exactly. I really don't understand why this Mr. Teeth Maestro gives so much importance to rumors. Such a non-sense post this is. Playing in the hands of religious zealots, who are blind to any form of reasoning.

  • tahir |

    This also shows people can justify lie if it benefits them.Dogmatic liberals are liers who can sell Pakisan for personal gains.

  • tahir |

    say no to Talibanization

    say no to liberalization

    That's what people want.

    People are against talibans,at the same time they are against war against terror.

  • Sophia |

    This is not a black and white issue. human rights violations of that degree really do happen, all over Pakistan. The Taliban is just one of the beasts. There are some with power and authority like our military and police and there are civilians like the ones in Punjab and Sindh who do crimes against poor and women day in and day out.

    The point of this news is that this video was used to create a consensus on the war. It was not used to highlight the atrocities of Taliban only, if that had been that case, then there are thousands of karo kari and private imprisonment in sindh and punjab that can be brought to public attention through media these days. Our government and military establishment used this video (real or fake) to create the consensus. Generally, there is stil no consensus for the war in pakistan outside FB yuppies and urban middle class. This video created the consensus amongst the FB yuppie and urban middle class. What we forget that as a result of this we completely destroyed some 3 million lives – people who were displaced. I wonder why dont more of such videos come up no? They would come only when the govt needs them!

    The lesson for us is that to not only get emotional with the content, but look at the bigger picture, see where does an action leads to.

  • Talkhaba |

    @ Teeth Maestro

    Agree with you when u say "this and the Sufi Muhammad fiasco both of which were deliberately over played in the media are significant in shifting a “negative” army sentiment to a heroic sentiment allowing them a thumbs up to go guns blazing into Swat"

    • Nazia |

      lets get some facts from history pages that who was actually allowing this TSNM to carry on his jihadi outfit, recruiting young boys from poor family for terrorism and running FM radio channels in our premises.

      for such detail
      http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/
      In an August 1998-speech in Peshawar, Maulana Sufi Mohammed, had declared his way of sharia.

      Maulana Sufi Mohammed was the leader of the TNSM. Maulana Ghafoor is the Deputy Chief of the outfit. . The outfit has a large number of ex-servicemen, including many retired Commissioned Officers, in its ranks and, thus, poses the greatest concern to the military regime in Pakistan. Many serving senior officers of the Pakistani Army are also related to these ex-servicemen.

      So Mualana was allowed by all state agencies to run his tableeghi concept since our generals were warned by US intelligence that every thing was not in its order.

      So fighting the militants is Pakistan’s problem, the reality is it has been forced by the Americans at gun point. There is nothing new in this. Unable to withstand US pressure, successive Pakistani rulers are forced to act in return for a fistful of dollars that often proves disastrous for the country.

      Between 2004 and 2006, a similar policy was forced on Pakistan in Waziristan that turned out to be a disaster. Since early 2006, American drones have been attacking Pakistani villages, especially in North and South Waziristan that has killed 800 villagers and only 14 militants, according to the New York Times (May 11/09).

      This process is still going on

      So We have repetition of history through dirty tactics just on the name of strategic disorders,

  • this_one |

    "Truth never damages a cause that is just."

    – Mahatma Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

    As a liberal myself who was crying hoarse over the the Taliban's barbarism in Swat, I have to concede to what Tahir, above, says about dogmatic liberals and their use of lies.

    I do blame anti-politician ideas, wherever they are, like the Minallahs and Tahira Abdullah. They kept absolutely mum about the Army's complicity with the Taliban in that joke of an effort called Operation Rah-e-Haq (which the media never mentions anymore; its all Swat's Rah-e-Rast now) but find it easy to blame the ANP and the PPP because anyone can have a go at the village mules i.e our political forces. Not too easy speaking up against the Army, however.

    Down with the Taliban, down with an Army that makes "strategic decisions" that run counter to what political governments want, down with counter-productive, arm-chair liberal civil-society types. My vote, no pun intended, is always for the political parties.

    The validity of that operation should never have been derived from the flogging video but because an operation is is what the ANP and PPP wanted. When the Army wasn't doing its job, the former simply made lemonade out of lemons, in the form of the peace treaty. Which, if you look at it, was drafted to make sure the militants wouldn't be able to fulfil what signed. Politics.

    • dr jawwad khan |

      Mahatma Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

      Mahatma???how could this half naked hypocrite be mahatma?

      i hate this disgusting liberal paki mentality.

  • Adnan Siddiqi |

    So as expected few devil's advocate trying their best to suck up America and West

    Awab, sorry to burst your Bubble, the news was NOT broken by The News Only. It appeared all over Internet and most of the sources quoted "ANI" and others. See below:

    indianexpress.com/news/pak-teenager-denies-being-flogged-by-taliban/443686/

    Gulf news:

    gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan/swat-girl-flogging-video-fake-official-says-1.62787

    As far as people who are saying Taliban Chief themselves "accepted" it, I ask such kids that there are various News online in which these so called "Talibans" denied the explosion of schools as well. How come you guys never admitted that? When will you grow up?

    I see how a lady on same forum cursing Army behind this breaking news while on other hand same Army is busy in battling with Talibans.

    I think you guys should come out of your chilled drawing and learn to admit realities. These Westeren funded NGOs who always act up like a frontend prostitute can do ANYTING for sake of money. Samar's NGO is not exceptional. Everyone knows the reality of NGOs in Pakistan.

    I would see how these leftist will react when we are seeing that India,US,UK and Karzai are busy in talks with Talibans. Are you guys already packing to hide in some state of US?

  • Adnan Siddiqi |

    So as expected few devil’s advocate trying their best to suck up America and West

    Awab, sorry to burst your Bubble, the news was NOT broken by The News Only. It appeared all over Internet and most of the sources quoted “ANI” and others. Check Gulf News and various Others on Internet

    As far as people who are saying Taliban Chief themselves “accepted” it, I ask such kids that there are various News online in which these so called “Talibans” denied the explosion of schools as well. How come you guys never admitted that? When will you grow up?

    I see how a lady on same forum cursing Army behind this breaking news while on other hand same Army is busy in battling with Talibans.

    I think you guys should come out of your chilled drawing and learn to admit realities. These Westeren funded NGOs who always act up like a frontend prostitute can do ANYTING for sake of money. Samar’s NGO is not exceptional. Everyone knows the reality of NGOs in Pakistan.

    I would see how these leftist will react when we are seeing that India,US,UK and Karzai are busy in talks with Talibans. Are you guys already packing to hide in some state of US?

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Teeth Maestro says: March 31, 2010 at 4:59 pm My guess is that, this and the Sufi Muhammad fiasco both of which were deliberately over played in the media.

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    Dear Alvi Sahab,

    Instead of blaming Mullahs we must not forget that Musharraf's Military Regime from 1999 till 911 openly supported and not only supported but defended the Militants: Track Record of Military Regime using Militants as Weapon of Strategic Depths and that included Sufi Muhammad, SSP, Masood Azher and Deviant Lashkar. "LIES"of General [R] Pervez Musharraf, Sharifs & Talibans.
    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/03/liesof-g

    • Al |

      @Aamir Mughal: It was not just Musharaf's regime. It has been the policy of the Pakistani Military since a very long time. These militants were used in 1965 to infiltrate Kashmir that led to the war between India & Pakistan & they were amply used during the 80's 'jihad' in Afghanistan.

      And the Pakistani Military still is using them. There are still some groups that are favored by the military who are not being touched. Mullah Nazir Group is one of them. Only those groups are being targeted that have shown disobedience to their controllers in the Pakistani military & targeted Pakistani installations & civilians.

      I would like to add that the Pakistani military is not alone in pursuing such a policy of using proxy forces. Iran, India, the US are all involved in this dirty game.

      Without going into the morality of what they are doing the Pakistani military thinks that it needs to keep these non-state actors to secure its interests in Afghanistan & strengthen its negotiating position.

      And this we can see it has been able to achieve. The US is now beginning to acknowledge Pakistan's 'legitimate' interest in retaining some influence in Afghanistan.

      The US was crying hoarse over the Quetta Shura for so long but the Pakistani establishment kept denying it. Now when it suited their interests they suddenly out of nowhere arrested 9 of the 18 members of the Quetta Shura. It is difficult to believe that they did not know about them before.

      And after arresting them they are being kept by the intelligence agencies. They have not been handed over to anyone. And you don't even hear anything about them in the news anymore. So clearly the military is keeping its options open for when the US does leave Afghanistan.

      This dirty game is continuing. Neither did it start with Musharraf nor did it end with him. And i don't know if we can fully blame the Pakistani military for following such a policy when they have to counter Indian influence in the region.

      There are no questions of morality when states are fighting each other for influence. All of them are the same.

  • Adnan Siddiqi |

    Dear Awab, wat do u mean by " Faking a Flogging Video for Military Advancements"?

    How come exposing the dirty role of samar and others could aid Military Advancements? I think the fake video itself played the role of action in SWaziristan. How exposing would make it further lethal?

    Are you saying the fake video stunt by Samar and Tahira will help Military to "Raid" their homes?…

  • Talkhaba |

    @ Teeth Maestro

    Before commenting, I would like that your explain these of your words,

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    If this news report is true and the video does end up being a drama staged for political / military advancements, I would be very critical against the perpetrators but will not condemn or criticize the efforts of Samar Minallah or Tahira Abdullah who initially released this video. Such efforts in whistle-blowing important issues like these need to be very supportive, as sadly they both have been at the receiving end of a public outcry, with dire threats and constant emotional barrage against them……………..

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    I would also like three questions from you;

    1) That Samar Minallah or Tahira Abdullah has done this job, although fake, in her good faith?

    2) That Taliban were devils and to expose the NGO of Samar or Tahira has done right thing by producing a fake video which [production] also includes payments to the actors?

    3) Mrs Tahira has made that payment from her own pocket and we should not "conspire" a theory that her mighty donors might have paid for that?

    • Nazia |

      Talkahaba

      Have you ever met these ladies in Islamabad social circle?

      This time you are acting like cell of ISI trying to ignite the issue without having confession of charge sheet from accused.

      There is no good faith hidden behind making such movie and only motive was to create more harassment in scary state.

    • Adnan Siddiqi |

      I have a theory that Samar's NGO is run with money aided by Indians sitting in Afghanistan because DG ISPR several times claimed that some local elements are supportin India to create chaos in Pakistan

    • junaid |

      Adnan,

      When DG ISPR says something, just take the opposite of that to be true.

      Don't believe them at all. They would sell their mothers if they get the right price.

  • Talkhaba |

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    The day when i joined the society journalism, i was apologetic of being right winger. But with each passing day i more to "right". I have realized that being rightest is right.

    Tahira Abdullah should be condemned by all. she is part of TTP and Pakistan Army.

    • Adnan Siddiqi |

      @Talkhaba: There is a hadith which central Idea is that in ending days, Fitnahs will shower upon us like rain drops and people who will busy in evil and hypocrites will be considered respectable and Muslims who try to follow Islam will be cursed and degraded more than infidels. Today we are living in era when Islam offenders and NROfied politicians are considered noble and they don't hesitate about it and people who try to practice Islams re called terrorists/militants or Islamists

      @Junaid: Ok.Next time if DG ISPR claims to kill Talibans, I will keep your view in mind and will believe that Pak Army killed Indian and American militants.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Nazia says: – April 1, 2010 at 12:05 am – Talkahaba Have you ever met these ladies in Islamabad social circle? This time you are acting like cell of ISI trying to ignite the issue without having confession of charge sheet from accused.

    There is no good faith hidden behind making such movie and only motive was to create more harassment in scary state.

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    AMEER Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan Syed Munawwar Hassan said that "propaganda was also being initiated to defame our army and intelligence services and its sole purpose was to destabilize Pakistan. [Military action may lead to martial law, says Munawwar Syed Munawar Hassan, Jamat-e-Islami, Pakistan Army & Intelligence Agencies
    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/syed-mun

    RAWALPINDI: Amir Jamaat-e-Islami Syed Munawar Hassan has said that Tehrik Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammad chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad had once contested elections of local councillor and won it and therefore might have been a little ‘Kafir’ (infidel) too. Munawar Hassan, Sufi Muhammad, Jamat-e-Islami, Mullahs & Calamity of Takfir (Apostasy) – 1
    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/munawar-

  • junaid |

    Media is business. They publish and promote what can get them audience and hence $$$$$$$$.

    Wether the video was fake or not, does not matter any more.

    Our Na-Pak Army, used this video to their advantage, the same way as Zaid Hamid Kezzab is propagting the gallantry of our Na-Pak Army.

    This is the order of the day. Spread so much lies that even if the truth comes before people, they would be skeptical of the truth.

  • farrahshah |

    extremely interesting to read people's comment it shows a clear shift in the mind set and thoughts of people .We are changing and changing fast.

    I am glad.When this video actually came out it was disturbing we knew it was fake but still it was disturbing .

    Only two years ago we were more comfertable being liberals .Now it is a shock for liberals to realise that we do not take pride in being liberals or Western influenced people.

    We are comfertable with who we are and we are becomming more Rightest people some how the joke of attack on Islam after 9/11 has worked wonders for us.Instead of condemning Islam we have owned it .

    Instead of being critical of Islam (which we were in the past during Zia Regime) we have accepted it as our basic ethical and moral value and at the same time we are critical of extremism and we have become wiser not to be vowed in the name of Islam or Modernisation (Western culture).

    The controvercies have opened the doors of discussion and somehow we are making choices based on annalysis and experience.

    Very wise indeed .

    • dr jawwad khan |

      Only two years ago we were more comfertable being liberals .Now it is a shock for liberals to realise that we do not take pride in being liberals or Western influenced people.

      ______________________________________________________

      how reasonable you are!

  • Al |

    Whether it was fake or not, a lot of people defended that it was the right thing to do under 'islamic' laws including jamati's. Now they are saying that this was a conspiracy to defame islam. This is called having your cake & eating it too.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Al says: April 1, 2010 at 7:37 pm @Aamir Mughal: It was not just Musharaf’s regime. It has been the policy of the Pakistani Military since a very long time. There are no questions of morality when states are fighting each other for influence. All of them are the same.

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    Agreed Sir.

  • Aamir Mughal |

    Adnan Siddiqi says: – April 1, 2010 at 7:38 am – I have a theory that Samar’s NGO is run with money aided by Indians sitting in Afghanistan because DG ISPR several times claimed that some local elements are supportin India to create chaos in Pakistan – junaid says: April 1, 2010 at 8:58 am Adnan,

    When DG ISPR says something, just take the opposite of that to be true. Don’t believe them at all. They would sell their mothers if they get the right price.

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    Sir [s]

    ISPR

    EXCLUSIVE DAVID HEADLEY 26/11 INTELLIGENCE The Asset Managers Headley’s confessions prove a Pak role. But did the US know of 26/11 beforehand? SAIKAT DATTA

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264858

  • sy lodhi |

    Smar MinaAllah, Tahira Abdullah in Pakistan or Colin Powell in USA….all are of same breed. An intelligent enemy is better than a STUPID friend. Why shall we grant influence to retards so that they screw up our total social cum political landscape?? They are as guilty as the people who sold their souls to the devil for peanuts.

    Like scrooge and infested boil aka ZZ Hamid, this too probably (my opinion only)was an ISI, CIA approved operation to generate favorable public opinion to start killing our own most righteous people…taliban (i hope people differentiate between Al Quaida..a CIA operation code name like Operation Gladio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio). The menace this has unleashed cannot be controlled by morons at helm of affairs.

  • Sadia Hussain |

    As Samad pointed out that the video was endorsed by Taliban and Muslim Khan justified the flogging. This is an attempt to spread misinformation as even if we ignore this clip, one can find hundreds of identical clips online. Also the particular news item does not cite the name of the alleged Ngo or the person who confessed? No one needs to defame the Taliban their own deeds are enough for that.

  • Rashid Saleem |

    I agree with Nadir 100% on his comment where he says “The real question then is not whether the video is fake or not, the real question is whether it actually affects the validity of the operation that took place”. We need to look forward from here now not backwards.

  • Talkhaba |

    @Rashid Saleem

    "We need to look forward from here now not backwards."

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    Absolutely disagree; the need of the time is to expose prepeators, producers, financers and other beneficiaries of this fake video which has been a source of insult of Islam and Pakhtoon. The girls selling her body is called prostitute, I don’t know what you call to Samar minallah who sold the honor of her Pukhtoon community and religion for the money?

    • dr jawwad khan |

      completely agreed with @talkh aaba and @sy lodhi…

      now liberals of Pakistan producing the same argument like neocons of Bush administration did i.e (always ready to pay the price from the blood)

      Hundreds of people died…millions of people displaced,suffered and traumatized because of this operation.

      Its time to get this whore to be hanged in public and give the lesson for all liberal jackasses a lesson.

  • Maher Elahi |

    I watched a number of videos on internet showing slaughter of military men and civilions by militants and wonder if those were also fake.

    Will some one enlighten me in this behalf.

  • sy lodhi |

    My dear mahir,

    Read and Listen to webster tarpley, robert fisk, howard zinn (late), noam chomsky, michael chusodoevsky, etc.etc on game plan USA. Also read statements by Angela Merkel (the great game has begun)and Tony B Liar (ex Uk PM)…you will understand. may also watch jan stewart and late john carlin.

    we have over 1000 US operatives in pakistan w/o visa (our own press reports). Alquaida was US sponsored operation. It pays to create unrest , fragmentation in pakistan society so that occupation (of pakistan) is complete w/o a regular war. Our commandoooes are in service of XE, black water gds. our soldiers and psychiatrists are employed by Xe, Kestral Logistics (the pak man who brought black water to pakistan is a friend of Eric Prince and owns Kestral logistics, the biggest mily contractor)

    It pays to pit our soldiers against our own and cause hatred among people against Army. Its all Psy Warfare. Get to know the profile of US general in Afghanistan and you will understand.

    Do not beleive anything fed to you by popular media.

    Allah has given you mind, time and resources. use them.

    A hadith 'only that man shall be spared the wrath and effects of Dajjal who will be living on a mountain top, tending to goats.'

    Do you understand what THAT MAN has and we do not have to be spared of the evil?

    Matter of Fact he does not have something we all have and hence he is spared the greatest evil of mankind. That is access to modern means of communication. these are totally dominated by Zionists and neocons. we are fed crap day in day out. subliminal messaging controls our brain.

    we are not even free to think now. Google the followings:

    PROJECT HAARP, DARPA, False Flags, Global Eugenics, The Venus, MK Ultra, Blue Beam, Monarch, Paper clip, Narus, Genome, OLAP, Svalbard seed Bank, RFID, ISIS, Supranet, Clear Vision, Jafferson, PNAC, Super DARN.

    OPERATION Condor, Bacterium, End Game, Mocking Bird, Gladio, Northwoods.

    PROgrAM Intercept Modernisation, NSA lectronic surveillance, Pen Register, Codex, Chemtrails, Biometrics, Cryogenic dark Matter research.

    My Apologies. This has become boring and too much of a dose.

  • Maher Elahi |

    SY Lodi,It is rather odd that you while decrying the consipracies of the west in general and America in particular have to refer and recommend their publications and multimedia products. Perhaps you and others do not possess something worthwhile to match, depend or quote. There is nothing wrong in doing so as you as a citizen of the 21st century world are entitled for the same. But it is unfortunate and sad that you appear to glean only the negative material like the ones who only go for adult meterial.

    I wish and hope that some day you will have a tryst with positive and objective material also allowing the same to permeate the mind.

    The prjudice is a pre-existing condition which disorients and confounds. It is imperative that the same is banished so that the to see the things clearly and candidly.

    Please just think where the world have been without the glorious advances made by the west in the realems of natural sciences, social sciences as manifested in the spread of knowledge, medicines, transportation and communication etc. They are putting hard work and spending enormous wealth in research and devlopment and the entire world benefits. If it were not for them how you and I could communicate the way we are doing now.

    Americans and western have so many short comings, yet even in the sphere of human vaues they are far superior and deserve to be appreciated and emulated.

    • aflatoon |

      Maher,

      "The prjudice is a pre-existing condition which disorients and confounds. It is imperative that the same is banished so that the to see the things clearly and candidly."

      Same applies to your views too…

      "Americans and western have so many short comings, yet even in the sphere of human vaues they are far superior and deserve to be appreciated and emulated."

      Very great, indeed: 5 charged in gang rape of girl
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100404/ap_on_re_us/u

      "They are putting hard work and spending enormous wealth in research and devlopment and the entire world benefits. If it were not for them how you and I could communicate the way we are doing now."

      Yeah, thats why Merch, Pfizer, Monsanto have open source , non-patent formulas, because they want to serve humanity. NO SIR, thats not the objective, the objective is how to make more money, enslave and exploit other human beings

  • Nazia |

    Lodhi

    Instead of giving attention to western philosophers and think tank one should focus attention seriously to our corrupt people and how they are being used.

    Not a single person on our streets except govt people are in fovour of rehman malik, zardari, shaukat tareen . babar awan but all of them are controlling all state matters.

    They are executioners of all black and white acts in this civilian setup and kiyani and few core commanders are handling war situation and massive deference budget of Pakistan.None of them have any interests in future long term strategy or towards stability of country.

    Time would prove that energy and fuel crisis would have been artificial created at this critical time of war so that people remain stuck to severe problems and overlook what is going on here on the name of war.

    In the coming days more chaos like situation through fake political stunts would be created and all ruling elites would be vanished from scene as we are not seeing Musharraf and shaukat aziz in any place.

    I hope all remember their slogans Paksitan first.

    So instead of reading philosophy of great think tanks or investigative reporter just for discussion during free time with retired people, one should come with real problems in our side.

    Come to root cause of decline of our system through history since the time of creation of Pakistan and have some courage to react them on the spot.

    Our intellectuals either leave the jobs in fear of extreme resistance or opt to migrate for save heavens sometime on the name of family compulsions or some time for comfortable environment where one can have opportunity to read western concepts in better way.

    Net world and blogger community is giving us many ideas to gather such mental approaches as you mentioned in Europe and US but not from their point of views,it should be complete reflection or reasons of our grass roots problem.

    We have to react against this concept of being all time agent or client state in the world generated mostly by our miltiary dictators .

  • sy lodhi |

    Agree with Nazia and Mahir etal. West knows one thing….Human Beings were given preference to be lead creation for one thing only…Ordained knowledge granted by creator. It was far superior to acquired knowledge of Azazeel and hence we landed here as Creators prime caliph. Thats why they have put copy right laws on every form of knowledge. we on the other hand have forgotten this.

    More over it is also true that we must act…not just talk. Changing mind frame of people here on various forums and adding to their awareness is an act. It affects your subconscious mind and decisions each one of you make in life shall be affected by this awareness. It shall be carried onto your offsprings. each decision you make daily in your own spheres affects overall status. Think GAIA.

  • sy lodhi |

    An example of adding to knowledge base of people is as under. Fol link leads to an article published in PKK and widely circulated on all forums of officers serving/ retd and other opinion makers.

    http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.com/2010/02

    After reading it at a limited membership forum having some senior military members serving/ retd , some businessmen, some expats—most of members who were opinion makers in their own spheres, I posted fol review. I do wonder that the responce was overwelmingly appreciative. Now if their minds have been set to thinking….I believe part of job is done.

    MY REVIEW AS UNDER:

    This is an ISPR sponsored article. Even the writers or associates are stated below (incl army man). On top of that its reproduction is free which is usually copyrighted.

    hence……this is propaganda article meant to generate gudwill. Remember …he has been in ISI and knows Psy warfare.

    Also did you note that taliban flogging video is now proven false and suo-moto justices are onto it. cud it be w/o Int involvement when we know IT was that video which changed public opinion in favour of Mily ops in FATA.

    Google Zia and Mush, you will find both were greatly eulogized by western media. hype was built as never before. Zia fell from their grace when he started looking after OUR interest. Mush is still their stooge. He has the distinction of being the only muslim head of state for whom Israeli PM had thrice said that he prays for life of Mush whenever he goes to bed. No need to list out betrayal and crimes of mush against Pakistan and its people. Now western jewish controlled media is praising kayani at large at all forums. Times mag has always been rabidly against pakistan. what does it mean??? US money keeps rolling in. afghan freedom fighters keep dying, drones keep flying off our airfields killing our own people, saboteors and Xe are still roaming, the offshore Castle of Empire (fortified embassey with largest staff in the world) keeps rising.

    US staffers keep telling us to impose VAT, even on those items which are universally out of VAT, like food stuff.

    and now the recent statement by US staffer…pakistan is a gud kid becaz it always behaves and does wat its told, whereas indian diplomats find twenty reasons for not doing it. wat does it mean???

    Now a quote from your own article

    He who has learned how to obey will know how to command” — Solon

    (by the way who is Solon) All great mily leaders were more of mavericks and defied standard procedures and SOPs in war to create history. conformists usually dont. moreover ever obedient servants very seldom have courage to go it alone. As comd 10 corps and DGI he was pick of Mush. must be his most trusted lieutenant.

    And tell me WHY This TiTle of article? Is some one prying upon his powers or causing him ill repute? Is someone trying to make him NOT MATTER?? A title to answer a question which was never asked.

    This has been only my opinion. Only Time and History will tell. let us not do personality hyping turning them into idols. lets watch and evaluate actions only. Media is meant to pull veil over our minds. its aim is never to show you the reality. media means masking.

    Have you read about subliminal advertising?

    Now read the first quote after the article. do you get the idea wat most of readers mind shall connect subconsciously after few days.

    this is pure classical bookish Psy Ops.

    • Nazia |

      Just review the history of Pakistan.

      We allocated most of our funds for military and medressahs setup.

      Educational standard for common man is throughout towards decline and only private sector got some privileges for providing services to elite class or sucking money from middle working class.In this system of education we are preparing generations for corrupt or western migratory force to fulfill gap of professional deficiency in areas other than Pakistan.

      So what is logic of enforcing miltiary ,medressah and rote like culture as compare to modern way of education??

      We are preparing confined minds who can work on limited range for options of survivals.

      Military set up cant think more than development of hierarchical pattern of human minds or all time follows the footsteps of seniors.

      Rebels have only limited option there,oust, court martial or hang till death.

      Now come to medressah culture here you have one theme follow the order of Allah and Rasool via clerics and never ever think of any logical reasons for what purpose legitimacy in religion should actually explained and convinced to masses .So to increase is conceivability in human mind.

      So when you say enter into Deen(relgion as such) you have strictly limited people to never use their logical skills that why you are opting this for rest of life.

      Revolted minds from religious beliefs which are mostly imposed by authoritative clerics should be beheaded so that use of brain is not allowed in religion as long as you are not disturbing the rulers and orthodox dominant class of our Islamic society.

      So you see since the creation of Pakistan both system are preferred and dominant to spread its network than other mode of educations.

  • Nazia |

    Lodhi

    I am very blunt in my life against extreme corrupt and selfish people but this is not attitude of majority.

    People call me backbiter when I mentioned directly the name of hypocrite, corrupt or looter of my society in this net world but my intention is only to look people as he is actually doing.

    I have seen in dinners, marriage functions that people are all time buttering the postion holder people no matters how corrupt he/she is in his line of duty.

    You are right changing mind frame is essential and urgent need of our setup but slavery attitude temperament are in our genes and we are unable to get rid of it even so much exposures of other societies have been inducted in our system through media.

    Media and judiciary is doing in this way well and now plates of status quo look shifting but powerful gangs on tops have got extraordinary powers in miltiary regimes and under US understanding.

    But nothing to dishearten if you have decided to live and die in this country as change of attitude of public can only turn the table of wrong implementation of ideas of super powers and its cronies in our home land.

  • Nazia |

    Lodhi

    Now somthing about your link in which parroting like fake characterization of our chief has been made and circulated to educated class via net .

    It can be ineffective in a minutes .

    I dont know kiyani personally but just watch the clumsy personality of our all head of forces.

    Consider this thing in your mind that I am pointing the loop holes in such personality which should be specifically developed in some manners in any organized way of training.

    Does air force chief any how looks you commander in chief of one of strongest airforce of the world.

    He has impression of professor like personality and looks very strange when talking to serious combat missions.

    Watch the clumsy looks of Kiyani and noman(naval chief).Thier sluggish and lazy looks tells us their mode of living which they cant change in said to be highly active and reactive mode of training of army set up.

    So weaker personalities need such kind of fake propaganda as booster injections to keep them active in public presentation.

    Kiyani's past as JCO s son should be be reward for us that system encouraged the man to reach his height from lower class but his all action against his people on the name of war on terror, details of corruption of his retd brigadier brother now a strong builder of DHAs of Pakistan.Highest level of corruption of his close friends on top seats of army organizations are clear signs of humiliation that our system cant produce a pure son of soil even opportunities have been provided to him too.

    • Al |

      Nazia, Looks matter but they don't have that much to do with being the commander in chief. The COAS is not supposed to go out & fight the enemy but rather control the tactical & strategic direction his forces take.

      If you are going on looks than what about General David Patraeus? He looks like he is suffering from malnutrition. And he is the Centcom Cheif that oversees the entire Middle East, South & Central Asia – the most powerful army in the world by a long stretch.

  • Al |

    Nazia you say: //We allocated most of our funds for military and medressahs setup.//

    You need to correct your information about Madersahs'. They are not funded by the government & no our government has not been allocating any of its funds to them. They are funded by private individuals and charities.

    And they sprang up to fill a huge gap left by the State in providing education to its citizens. What other options does a poor man have?

    Atleast the Madarsah's are providing a supervised environment for the children when their other option would be roaming around & living on the streets.

    And there are tens of thousands of Madarsah's in the country. If all of them as alleged by some people were churning out indoctrinated people who were ready to blow themselves up then i don't think Pakistan would survive for long.

    I fully support that the curriculum needs to be revised to include all subjects that are taught in private schools (some madarsahs do teach these subjects by the way). But i am also against people who say that the madarsah's are somehow responsible for the mess we find ourselves in.

    They are only there because the State has not fulfilled its responsibilities.

  • Nazia |

    A one

    You belong to group of somo wrestlers of japan??

    from where side general patreaues looks you specie of Ethiopia,

    You can see by yourself
    http://images.google.com.pk/images?hl=en&clie
    if he looks you malnutrition then what about Clint Eastwood and Jinnah

    I think they dont exist in your health scale.

    I am not seeing flaws in God made features but personality presentation that should be groomed well when you reach to height of your profession.

    I can explain you my point of view as see the difference of get up of zardari before bhutto murder and then latest get up in President form.

    He is manicured from head to toe to behave like submissive, decent and sober looking president.That impression vanishes in moments when he try to speak other than written statement.

    So as any member of arm forces or any law enforcing agency one should look vigilant, active and reactive to circumstances.

    Does it fit to our all chiefs?

    After that spoken characteristics come and then its management skills which are revealed by seeing his working area.I have already told you that his batch mates ,close friends and family group is crossing all limits under his name but lambs prefer to remain silent if We even place the paper lion in between them.

    The mess in swat no way comes in intelligent war fare and somehow resembled like Mongols invasion techniques.

    He master minded this notorious NRO along with other cronies and then implemented it on full fledged scale by polluting the already eroded political environment.

    He intentionally interfered in long march events and in last days called five secretaries in his office showing the relative persons that he is all in all state matters.

    How much more you need to dig his quite" quiet" personality??

    • Al |

      Nazia: First of all i am not a fan of Kiyani so this long tirade against him, better tell it to his fans.

      But yes he does look malnutritioned. What is so soldiery about David Petreus that you don't find in Kiyani?

      Take a look at this picture:
      http://kashmirwatch.com/postnews/data/upimages/pm

      In this picture our PM looks more fit then this guy. And as far as Clint Eastwood & Jinnah are concerned yes they also looked undernourished. Jinnah was definitely much below a healthy weight for his height.

  • Nazia |

    Aone

    it is your private matter whether you are fan of Kiyani or razor blade of him but that wouldn't improve his image in reality.

    he was the one who is actually backing all zardari group

    He was in same way publicized as once Musharraf theory of enlightened moderation was projected by west.

    Then it was same western media who cursed him as oursonof bitch" words as such copied from telegraph.

    He was just playing the role of silent ruler which usually miltiary does after volatile dominant dictatorial period.

    Who told you that govt never funded such medressahs.There are thousands who are still working under our religious ministry or some times international donors have come forward under foreign ministry .

    Lal mosque was one its example where govt paid clerics gathered kids of remote area and brain washed them against the culture of urban areas of Pakistan,

    Result is in front of all world.

    you said

    Madarsah’s are providing a supervised environment for the children when their other option would be roaming around & living on the streets.

    Sorry I dont agree with this, it is just like that these neglected souls are out of frying pan into fire.

    So they are passed out as fuel for religious anarchy in the state.No other word suits such breed

    • Al |

      Nazia: What part of "I AM NOT A FAN OF KIYANI" can't you understand? Do you always create arguments in your own head & then start debating?

      So he is a very bad guy. So what? Did i say he was a very nice guy?

      And there are government funded mosques where the government appoints and pays the Imam's of the mosques. The government had appointed the Imam of the Lal Masjid but it was not financially supporting the associated Madrassahs. These were the Jamia Hafsa for girls & Jamia Faridia for boys. These were funded by private individuals and charities NOT by the government.

      That the government implicitly encouraged them is another matter.

      Which madarsah do you know that is funded and run by the government? Or are you just creating 'facts' to support your argument? Why do you think the government was facing so much difficulty in changing the curriculums of these madarsahs?

      And like i said there are tens of thousands of madrassahs in Pakistan. If all of them were churning out brainwashed suicide bombers, i don't think the Pakistani state would last for long.

      As far as your or anyone else's aversion to madrassah's is concerned they won't be going anywhere anytime soon. They have sprung up because of a huge gap left by the government in providing for its citizens. The madrassah's have been successful in taking over because the poor cannot afford to go to private schools.

      So as long as there is deprivation in our society, you can keep on arguing against them but you cannot do much else.

  • sy lodhi |

    @nazia.

    forget about revolting tirades of rest. dont bother to ans.-

    US mily has tough physical stds. our brigs and gens cant match them. 100% promotions beyond colonal must have masters degree and must have published articles/ papers in mags of repute. So our stuff is just below mediocre in comparison to them.

    well informed you certainly are. very few know about the construction coy of chiefs bro. but then corruption is so rampant in army..but only few have information.

    Now Madrassahs..I am personally for this NGO style education out of govt control. unfortunately since decay of mughal rulers this institution failed and became cesspool of personality cults and sects. Any one who has read Allama Iqbal can understand this.

    I think …all said and done we may close this chapter for good and move on to some other field.

    THANX TEETH for affording all of us a space to blurt out. your blog has become a raison detre for a few to be on the net. and yes..all listening commentators..it is good that your minds are racing…thinking. I guess that is the greatest gift of this all.

  • Nazia |

    Look Lodhi

    I am not afraid of any kind of revolting tirades as I am watching the situation on my own.

    If our COAS had any moral courage he should have resigned from his post the day GHQ was attacked and remained under the control of terrorist for more than 22 hours.But you see not a single senior officer was considered responsible for such huge negligence in line of duty.

    Terrorist penetrated the GHQ they sumbol of pride and power of any nation, through the route which is daily used by COAS and all kind of modern security plans along with monitoring through satellite is done on this road .

    He was remained in his office throughout the attack but dozen generals couldnt overcome handful of terrorists for almost a day and a night until they exhausted.

    As no other institute has any courage to make chief accountable for such proved inefficiencies and more worst is seen that after every disaster, all are praising the efforts of army.

    It is just to more spoil the problem child by encouraging him on misbehave and wrong attitude.

    The main reason of lethargic styles of our senior are men are their sumptuous way of living in the name of facilities which have been overdosed to them. It is keeping them away from their actual targets of vigilance and hardships is actual job of true soldier.

    I call them bulls and mujhan(buffaloes) in uniform who get spaces in army network through family and friends circle , spent few years in training and then enjoy taxpayers money in the name of huge benefits.

    You can judge that what is importance of education in our system through simple comparison between the salary and perks level of any assistant professor and a Captain .So which young mind wants to be teacher in this system and would surely search for such shortcut that could enter them in miltiary premises.

    Read the news under the topic

    Army accused of extra-judicial killings Spokesman denies charge
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id
    it is not part of any propaganda but western brains, thinking all time for Pakistan always keep this card in their pocket to create disturbance in our system.

    Medressahs are successful mode of education in remote areas when it is run by strict and controlled govt polices under peaceful and creative way of promoting Islamic culture.

    When you induct arm and hatred in such mode of education for other communities living in their surrounding then what else it produce other than insurgency or terrorism.

    Paksitan is proved the best place of doing such experiment.

  • Tayyab Mahmood |

    great post Nazia…

    I believe its a Fake a Flogging Video for Military Advancements after reading the "CIA Red Cell & Afghan War – possible PR-strategies to shore up public support in Germany and France" http://file.wikileaks.org/file/cia-afghanistan.pd

    This classified CIA analysis from March, outlines possible PR-strategies to shore up public support in Germany and France for a continued war in Afghanistan. After the Dutch government fell on the issue of dutch troops in Afghanistan last month, the CIA became worried that similar events could happen in the countries that post the third and fourth largest troop contingents to the ISAF-mission. The proposed PR strategies focus on pressure points that have been identified within these countries. For France it is the sympathy of the public for Afghan refugees and women. For Germany it is the fear of the consequences of defeat (drugs, more refugees, terrorism) as well as for Germany’s standing in the NATO. The memo is an recipe for the targeted manipulation of public opinion in two NATO ally countries, written by the CIA. It is classified as Confidential / No Foreign Nationals.

  • Nazia |

    Aone

    I cant think above then my God gifted head so you have to keep this thing in your big sensitive mind about all this my shortcoming before arguing with me.

    If you dont like kiyani then its ok what is touchy point I am not claiming you lover of Musharraf or his successor kiyani just telling you that personality matters and you can see the decline level of personality from Gen Ayub to kiyani and their professional skills too.

    The flying of F16 with pilot is not a big deal even Indian president an old and untrained lady did this same act of bravery in last month.

    So such kind of fake booster might impressed illiterates but educated even having little brain can just laugh on such practical jokes.

    What are you saying govt appointed the lal masjid clerics but it was no funded by govt.Kindly have some link in religious ministry and find that during Ijaz ulhaq funds were allocated to such institutes even full state protection was provided to them if they caught red handed with arms.Just like as in these days black water is working in our cities.

    All setup working just mile away from ISI HQ.

    MMA govt provided fully back up to these schools that were run by their parliaments.If I have time I will get data for you.

    • Tayyab Mahmood |

      Its brutal….

      "Pro imperialist liberals" are supporting these Wars…..

      A Liberal person can't support war & killing of civilians…. When we condemn these kinds of act done by Americans or Our Army they called us friends of Taliban….

      WAR in Afghanistan & Pakistan is feasible for both American & Pakistani Army. US Defense Spending in 2007 were $681 Billion & they paid Defense Contractors $306 Billion. The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 25–29% of budgeted expenditures and 38–44% of estimated tax revenues. According to the Congressional Budget Office, defense spending grew 9% annually on average from fiscal year 2000–2009.

    • Al |

      Senseless article by Aamir Liaqat playing on emotions of Muslims rather than presenting any facts. He has not given a single concrete proof that the video was fake. All his proofs are subjective like the cries of the lady sounded unreal, she walked away immediately, sound quality was very good for a mobile phone – nothing concrete. Then the other arguments are merely circumstantial evidence that because he thinks someone was silenced or sidelined the video must be real.

      One of the arguments is specially stupid that the video remains focused on the flogging & doesn't pan out to show the crowd. Assuming the video was real of course whoever was making it would concentrate on what was happening in the middle & which was catching the attention of the crowd. He wasn't shooting a movie that he would take a shot of the crowd as well.

      Far from providing any proof Mr. Aamir Liaqat instead makes his own claim at least a couple of times that all the actors in the video have been unearthed which we all know is a lie(aik aik adakar benaqab ho giya he).

      At least up till now none of the people in the video have come forward. The news report that said that the video was fake quotes all anonymous sources. The man who claimed he was paid Rs.500k was also anonymous. So the veracity of the claim that the video was fake is really really doubtful.

      Now i am not a fan of Ms. Samar Minallah & such NGO's & i agree that a lot of them are involved in promoting certain agendas. And i am not claiming that i have any proof that the video is real. It may or may not be. And neither am i discussing religion over here & whether the punishment was Islamic or not. I am discussing the proofs presented.

      Aamir Liaqat makes a really pathetic case to support his assertion that the video was fake.

      Besides, insisting on whether the video was real or not is missing the whole point. Mr. Aamir Liaqat was among those who defended what was shown in the video.

      Now you cannot defend what happened & then turn around & say that this is a conspiracy to defame Islam. If it is then you were a part of the conspiracy as well. When you take a position then stick with it.

      As far as the timing of the release of the video is concerned, i think it was definitely planned. There was nothing specially barbaric about the incident. The taliban have carried out acts that one would consider much more barbaric than what was shown in the video but the media has never highlighted them.

      Over here the entire electronic media was jumping up & down showing the video & claiming exclusivity, interviewing different people, ulemas, taking their opinions etc.

      In other words the hype was all deliberate. This is called Manufacturing Consent – consent for the army operation in Swat & it is nothing new & not particular to the Pakistani establishment.

      Why should we blame the NGO's? They can make all the noises that they want but until the media decides to highlight any issue the general population really doesn't know & doesn't care.

      Mr. Aamir Liaqat should rather question the media including & specially his own channel Geo for deciding to highlight this issue at that particular point in time.

      And again raising this issue that it was a fake at this particular point in time when our military establishment is trying hard to strike a deal with the several beaten back taliban groups.

      Doesn't take a nuclear scientist to figure out what is really going on over here.

      Lay the blame where it should be laid.

  • Nazia |

    A1

    It is not senseless but quite sensational article by amir.

    He created same hyped up scene when that movie was on air.

    So you see how so called religious icon is being used in our country to stimulate the masses who have no capacity to think deeply after any incident.

    If you can locate a live movie of stoning to death of a Kurd girl in Iraq through is tribesmen aired in Al jazeera few years back then you would find how one can easily judge the authenticity of real movies.

    The day such video was shown in the system it was sure that sound was dubbed in it.

    Even that person doesn't not look like swati lady or as in swat ladies are usually short heighted.

    We are now having a vast network of media channels who could have worked on authenticity of that movie in early stage but all ignored it unanimously.

    So this point is important to ponder rather than listening exaggeration of amir .

  • Talkhaba |

    @AL @ Nazia

    These expose you as the literate rather most stupid creature on earth. What do you think that by using the words like "senseless" and "sensational" for the arguments of Dr Amir would misguide the masses then you're living in fool paradise. Dr Has put some technical question where did you see sensationalism in it?

    • Nazia |

      Dr blind couldnt judge same kind of queries when he aired this movies at least hundred times in a week and suddenly some news suddenly produced investigative sense of dr shahib and he started thinking in different way.

      If you consider any logic in dr amir technical questions then you are right at least I come in stupid category.Nothing to say about Aone.

    • Al |

      @Talkhaba: I am sure Teeth will love you for it but please get out of your misplaced faith in the popularity of this blog. If i wanted to misguide the masses i would join Jang or Geo like your favorite Dr. rather then commenting on this blog.

      Apart from You, Me, Nazia & i think Aamir Mughal i am not really sure anyone would be coming back to read any of these comments. Heck i don't even think Teeth reads all these comments.

      Your good Dr. has not put any questions. He has answered every question himself with what are in his mind 'conclusive' proofs. Where in the article did the Dr. provide any technical proof? He just gave arguments that are purely subjective in nature like the cries of the woman & the way she gets up and walks away or why the person making the video keeps focusing on the women (when as the Dr. thinks he should have been giving closeup shots of the faces of the crowd to get their reactions as in star plus dramas).

      These are not conclusive proofs. Just his opinions.

  • Nazia |

    Cry of woman is used for creating fake scene in a country where suicidal bombings are creating scenes of wailing in thousands of houses.

    Dead bodies of soldiers returning homes have become reason of cries of thousands of love ones who are receiving them in their turns with out thinking that these dead bodies are reason of cash supplies of rulers

    So falseness behind cries is our real driving force or motives of self pity scenes.

    So people waiting for unseen help or crying for what, that was obvious before adopting ruthless and aggressive attitude show our weaknesses .We should come out of this crying scenes and accept our blunders .One of it was becoming active member in war of terror ,one of destructive choice our miltiary made in last years.

    Such scenes of deception is confession of wrong doings indirectly whether people accept it or not.

    • Talkhaba |

      @ Nazia BIBI

      Cry of woman is used for creating fake scene in a country where suicidal bombings are creating scenes of wailing in thousands of houses.

      ————————

      Yes that was done as how many articles have read or watched shows which establish that all suicide bombing is happening because of some one adherence to Islam? All they say they are doing is un-Islamic. But that wasn't the case with flogging.

      They flogged a woman because it is part of Islamic judicial system called as Nizam-e-Adal which would be established in Malakand. The purpose of this fake video by that Bitch known as Samar was to prove the Islamic justice system as inhuman and barbaric.

      If you remember the secular ANP was telling us that Nizam-e-Adal is not a demand of Taliban but the masses also. I agree. Though my birth place is Mardan but I hail from Dir which is a district of Malakand Division. I often used to visit my aunts and uncles in Dir before I moved to Karachi in 1998. I can assure you and you can go and ask a worker of PPP and ANP in Dir "do you want Nizam-e-Adal" and they would Say Yes., because it has worked there.

      Samar and Ather Minallah (he is the brother of Samar) connection and sui motto action by CJ who is not only the protector of present unjust British legal system but had athar as his spokesman, all these things have meaningful relevance.

      I wouldn’t comment any more, but pray for you that Allah SWT may give you Hydayat

    • Al |

      @ Talkhaba: First, Tell me one thing. These punishments were defended by Dr. Aamir Liaqat. You are also defending what was shown in the video regardless of whether it was real or not.

      Then how does Samar 'bitch' showing the video PROVE 'the Islamic justice system as inhuman and barbaric'? That does not make sense. That is like having your cake & eating it too.

      Secondly, there are certain punishments prescribed in Islam. The Quran & Hadith do not lay out the entire judicial system so to say. They just lay down the rules for witnesses, certain conditions for giving evidences, and prescribe punishments for various crimes.

      If we just change the punishments for a few of the crimes as per the Quran then what is Un-Islamic in the present system? Nothing.

  • Nazia |

    Talkhaba

    If you see the history of activities of minhala family you would find that they are mostly invloved in social work like activities.

    Before this video samar all work surround by education of girl child in pukhton dominant areas and other issue were vani like evil traditions.

    She come from pure pukhtoon background.

    Her most achievements are around social problems of her area and they are never found in touching the religious issues which are linked with nizam adil before this video.

    I know very well that after crossing abbotabod areas, there exists jirga and nizam adil like system and people are use to of this system for last many many years.

    That video doesnt show as you say but it is showing parallel illegal govt against state laws under power of gun .

    It is good you belong to that area kindly give me any example where adulterer or women founds in illicit relations are flogged or stoning to death in that area.

    First you would tell me that how many villages and towns follow such punishments .Then I will tell you my observation regarding such crimes and how differently jirgas treat them in their defined areas.

  • Talkhaba |

    How Foresighted Leader Syed M Hassan is. Look what basic question had he raised when Geo TV took him on beeper after running the video for the whole day


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