I sit back and watch the news of blasts in ‘Data darbar’ in Lahore. I watch it for few minutes, hear the sirens, watch the blood, hear the screams, see the stranded people, and switch off my TV. Yes, I am dead. I dont feel the pain now. I am numb. Its a repeat telecast. Maybe a recording of the previous ‘show of barbarism’ that I have seen many times before. But they say, its live reporting. They say its a new place. They say the images are new. Then why am I switching off the TV, why am I thinking of other chores I have to do, why am I thinking what I have to do tomorrow. Am I really dead?Aldous Huxley(writer) was right when he said, ‘Maybe this world is another planets hell’. Maybe I am living in a hell and its a life after death so my emotions exist no more.
But, then what do I do?I am helpless. I have seen this pain so many times that it has seeped into my body and soul. Maybe that was the only option I had. I wanted to live. I am guilty of living. There is so much life around me. Summer is here, life in its full blossom in this part of the world. Why should I mourn the death of people dying in ‘my’ country, miles away. I have to move on. I have said the saddened words, I will follow the news that will tell the number of people dead and special reports on the families of people whose only bread earner has died, I will follow the investigation report, I will do some hot discussions on this sad incident with people around and I will utter some sympathisizing words for the families and some angry words on the ‘religious’, ‘political’ and ‘social’ state of the country. I am done. I have followed all the rituals that should be followed when a blast occurs. ‘Rituals’? Rituals for a bomb blast? Well, yes when something becomes a norm in the society, rituals are developed and they have to be followed. We can do this much atleast as human. Yes, I forgot we can also make some phone calls if the blast is in the city you live in or have lived. Followed by few tears(maybe) if it has hit close to your home or maybe chant ‘Allah saved us, we live so close by’. Saved us? Are we saved? Are we living? Are we surviving? But I thought we are dead!…
Yes, yes, we are dead!.I pronounce again…We are dead!..I assure you…we are dead! If we would have been living, we would be doing something. ‘Something’?Well, we are doing something…we are focusing on our jobs, we are doing our work ‘honestly’, we are feeding our families in this high inflation time, and yes we do have plans for a better future. Isn’t that enough? Enough?? Enough to prove we are living?? I have doubts on that though. Aren’t we supposed to do a little more to prove ourselves human? a ‘little’ more. Don’t I need to feel the pain of others? Wasnt that the first lesson I was taught in my ‘Islamiat’ books in school. It never taught me to be numb to society. It never taught me to mind my own business. Where and when I got busy in life? I can’t recall that. But, yes I am a dead man walking! We are all dead men walking…we are living in a dead world waiting for another blast news and follow the rituals once again.
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175 responses to “A dead man walking…”
It is ironic but everytime there is a blast, all that rings in my ear's is Jinnah's speech:
‘You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.’
Unfortunate we have travelled this far and yet we are so lost.
cut the crap.
that is exactly our problem, even when we feel sad we try to immitate or *intelectualize* our feelings.
I am devastated too, but stop this non-sense.
Jinnah's word, Jinnah word. bull shit.
We don't care when our sisters are raped at Jinnah's Mazar. We let the victims take their own sufferings themselves.
Yet we find book-ish phrases and words to *show-off*
hummmmm…..Quaid e Azam once again….
but i couldn't understand the application of refrence.
is our state involved in suicide bombing?
and also i couldn't understand why liberals hate to admit that our "unconditional surrender" ignited this fire…
Hmmmm….
You are right we are confused.
Most still have not figured out whether to follow Muhammad Ali Jinnah or Rusul Allah Muhammad bin Abdullah when their words contradict.
Make a choice….
Even worse, most of our so called para likkahs intellectual have read neither what either of them have said, let alone follow them.
Shaista
we are faith motivated nation since the time of Jinnah and he also got full advantage of this weakness of people of sub continent to get Pakistan but when he achieved it , he started preaching secularism.
So remember his quotes for praising his liberalism.This is same theme which our political and military icons adopted in desi term it is baghal main churi aur moon main ram ram.
They all facilitated ,financed and militarized religious faith in their tenure but in private life they live like western lords.
For people living away from Pakistan all such events are placed in the category of religious terrorism but from point of view of locals all have different motives but presentation is in same manner.This kind of chain of events is city of lahore again and again is to weaken the sharif govt who are not in equation with miltiary and PPP NRO group.
One can say by speaking against relics of musharf and zaradari they might create fake opposition for diverting the attention of public from state mismanagement and finacial burden which govt are slowly slowly shifting towards public.
So both possibilites can be reasons of such kind of terrrorims as miltiary and US are all time ready to launch miltiary operations on murdeekay and south Punjab but govt of punjab is not giving them green signals.
So in Pakistan might is right and we are paying the price of rights of rulers by presenting the lives of victims who are unaware of creation of talibans and strategy of war on terror in our soil.
So the day our prime ministers or president would learn how to handle the generals, we would be able to get rid of this mess of terrorism, arise in different forms and areas without interest of locals.
Nazia says: – July 2, 2010 at 11:48 pm Shaista we are faith motivated nation
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Faith i.e. Islam, Quran and Hadith doesn't teach you to do what happened in Lahore in Ali Hajweri's shrine or one month earlier against Ahmedis.
I am curious. How many here have read Kasf ul Mahjub, Ali Hajveris book? A book which would be very interesting (not a perfect book but an excellent book given whats happening around us now) and shocking in places.
One thing shocking though was that Ali Hajveri performed takfir in the book of a sufi based on the sufi abandoning an amaal?
skeptic says: July 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm I am curious. How many here have read Kasf ul Mahjub, Ali Hajveris book? A book which would be very interesting (not a perfect book but an excellent book given whats happening around us now)
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Would you call a book an excellent book? Ali Hajweri's Kashfal Mahjub also committed Blasphemy against not one but two Prophets [PBUT] Brazen Blasphemy against Prophet [PBUT] in the garb of Sufism? Is Shariat Court or Mullahs sleeping?
http://emanekhalis.com/emanqist1/emangist69.htm
Click “agla safha” till the page number 73.
skeptic says: – July 8, 2010 at 3:51 pm I am curious. How many here have read Kasf ul Mahjub, Ali Hajveris book? A book which would be very interesting (not a perfect book but an excellent book given whats happening around us now) and shocking in places. One thing shocking though was that Ali Hajveri performed takfir in the book of a sufi based on the sufi abandoning an amaal?
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Dear Sir,
With utmost humility and respect [this post may not taken as support of the Murderous, Barbaric, Un-Islamic rather Haram act of attack to kill innocent people gathered at the Shrine]
Sir,
If you talk of Islam and Excellent books then for Guidance [Hidayat] only Two sources are Excellent i.e. Quran and Hadith [for day to day advices Riaz As Salehen, Al Lu Lu Al Marjan and Mishkat (These three books are Compilation of Authentic and Verified Hadiths] are sufficient and any other book which we cannot corroborate with Quran and Rightful Sunnah can only be called Bida'at [Innovation] Sufi books like Kashf Al Mahjub by Ali Hajweri, Ahya ul Uloom by Ghazali, Mathnavi by Rumi, Fissusl Hikm and Fathoohat-e-Makki by Ibn Arabi, Tawaseen by Mansoor Al Hallaj and last but not the least Ghunyatut Talibeen by Abdul Qadir Jeelani are full of False, Concocted, Fabricated and Weak Hadiths.
Ali Hajweri [alleged Data] arrived in Lahore on the orders of Masood Ghaznavi and Lahore was under the rule of Masood Ghaznavi [s/o Mehmood Ghaznavi] and Gaznavis have themsleves appointed Hindu Governor for Lahore. By the way Three Top Generals in Ghaznavi’s Army were hindu. Sufi Master of Al Hajweri i.e Shiekh Abul Fazal had ordered Ali Hajweri to go to “Hind” to wipe out “Idolatry and Polytheism” [Shiekh of DATA forgot to send Ali Hajweri to Banaras (Holy City of Vedanta] and Sheikh Abu Fazal also “forgot to predict” that in 21st Century Hindus and Sikh would often visit DATA DARBAR. [What happened to the mission of Sheikh Abul Fazal for which he deputed Ali Hajweri i.e. to wipe out "Idolatry and Polytheism" ]. Pakistanis wanted to Demolish “House of Idols [Buth Kada-e-Hind] whereas same Pakistan worship Muslim Idols in Pakistan.
Ali Hajweri aka DATA was misogynist to the core and he used to declare that Women is responsible for every Evil in this world [this ideology is of Jews and Christians]. The alleged Data was basically a Women Hater to the core and his books are full of such Hate Speech against Woman [DATA remained bachelor all his life]. {Books of Alleged Data: Kashf Al Mahjoob, Kashf Al Asrar, Minhaj Al Deen, Al Bayan La Ahlil Ayan} These Mullahs [read Sufis] have only one Role for women while discussing women they [DATA too] forget that Women is also Mother, Daughter and Sister. DATA [Provider is only Allah], Ghaus [Is only Allah], Dastgeer [is only Allah].
Muslim Scholars of Lahore Objected on the direction of Kabah when a Mosque was being built in Lahore and Ali Hajweri through his "Miracle" arranged that the Kaabah is seen in Lahore. [Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was a Prophet from Allah and he [PBUH] couldn't do that during Hudaybiya Treaty and had to go back. These Sufis have made a mockery of Islam in their False Teaching.
For Reference: reading Aab-e-Kausar by Sheikh Ikram published in 1947 and 23 edition are published after partition by Darus Saqafat-e-Islamia Lahore – And on the Reality of Alleged Data read Shariat Aur Tareeqat by Abdul Rahman Kailani [you will be amazed to know the discrepancy as to how these Tazkaras and Malfoozat of Sufis are compiled without even bothering about to check the authenticity of Ali Hajweri's arrival in Lahore, Zanjani's time of Death and even Ali Hajweri's alleged services for Islam]
Sufis link their Chain to Hazrat Hasan Basari [May Allah have mercy on his soul] and Sufi says that Hasan Basri was given this “Sufi Science” by Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] whereas no meeting ever took place between Hazrat Ali [RA] and Hasan Basari.
Therefore this Drama of Sufism and Sufi [DATA INCLUDED] is nothing but Bida’at in Islam which started after 300 years of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] – Origin of this term Sufi is not even known in Arabic Grammar. [Ref: Talbees Iblees [The Devil's Deception – by Abul Faraj ibn Al Jawzi]
More References:
Consult the following books of Asma ur Rijal [ names, characters, authenticity and notices of persons who transmitted narrations in Hadith and History]
1 – Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb by Ibn Hajar Asqalani.
2 – Lisan al Meezan by Ibn Hajar Asqalani.
3 – Meezan ul Aitidal by Imam Zahbi.
4 – Kitabul Maudhuat by Abul Faraj ibn Al Jawzi.
5 – Tadhkirrah al-Mawdoo’aat Wal-Dhu’afaahas by Allamah
Muhaddith Tahir Patni.
6 – Al Tareekh Al Kabeer by Imam Bukhari [May Allah have mercy on his soul].
7 – Al-La’aali’ al-Masnoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah by Jalaluddin Al-Suyuti.
Nazia says: – July 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm – Mughal The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Before quoting this verse you must first try to search the context first and that this verse is related with a Commandment that Anal Sex with Wife is forbidden.
Nazia says: July 9, 2010 at 12:29 pm Mughal Being a misogynist is not very serious crime or sin as all major religions had germs of misogyny in late history.
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If we accept "Alleged Data i.e. Ali Hajweri's Rant about Women as a Cardinal Truth then were we will put narrations narrated by Women Companions [Sahabia – May Allah be pleased with all of them] of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]
Mughal
I would put this modification in process of improvement or evolution of human minds in which they can put women as living being in better place or you can say men under evolution process as controller of this earth planet thinking of using brains and logic other than their weaknesses link with physical power show.
As it was all done under divine's order and Prophet' s consent so would you throw light that why almighty was remain silent so long on the rights of one of His creation which was created after Adam as his true companion.Islam was quite modern religion as compare to others who tremendously used woman as lower rated class of society.
Sorry to say that in Islam it was and it is also promoted like that what ever liberal are trying hard to minimize this difference but ISLAMIC STATES are still unable to give her due her due rights.
:223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like
I have read dozen different kind of logic from versions different ulemas and scholars in this regard.
One is like that as you say.
Accept it that this verse is continuously being misused in Islamic history
But there are more better words and terms which could have been used from divine's word power.
if we take term" field" from pure Arabic or Bedouin culture then it is linked with property, slavery and strong ownership through power.
Arabs in their property and slaves could have entered or used either way as per their choice and mood.
I also used different tactics to divert its means as done by different ways but it is surprised that when Allah refer man and husband in all divine books the selection of words are more explicit and clear as compare when terminlogy with women are found.
This verse is one of example like that.
Nazia says: – July 9, 2010 at 1:49 pm :223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like
I have read dozen different kind of logic from versions different ulemas and scholars in this regard.
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Ulemas [Read Mullahs]'s opinion are not valid rather deserved to be thrown on Wall when there are Hadiths from Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. The verse is related with the etiquette and manners of sexual relations with wives. The minor explanation of that verse as per Hadiths in Tafsir Ibn Kathir is as under:
go to your wives [means have intercourse with your wives only in that path from where you come so that your wives can bear children and your children may become blessings for you] – Means you can have intercourse with your wives in any position provided it is not Anal Sex.
Mughal
Marriages were done always as a sacred and joyful events in all kind of civilization and people before Islam were well informed what were real modes of happy married life. Different religions have different codes of morality regarding married lives, which regulated or assigned normal values upto certain acts or thoughts.
People usually followed such trends for establishing relations in married lives.
All generation know well or with the passage of time understand its limits .
This relation only get its stability when it works on the principle of consent decree from both partners.
So different communities had and having different marriages norms linked to religious beliefs, social and environmental conditions, or all of these.
Healthy and successful marriages are good indexes of prosperity and happy lives in any community.Abnormality in this consensual type of relation specially in terms of proving superiority of one gender always take marriages into disastrous side specially for weak genders and ultimately affects the family life styles and upbringing of kids.
homosexuality and sodomy is forbidden in Islam; and are always explicitly punishable by death in accordance with the hadith: "Whomever you find doing the deed of the People of Lot, then kill both the doer and whomever he is doing it to."
The four Caliphs upheld this ruling, as did all of the Prophet's companions.
read carefully this ayat
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like.
See the ambiguities which were/are misused by Muslim community
here women are not limited for wife only as for wife, arabs use terms as zohja ,aqeela or mahram like but this ayat covers women in the range of men specially who are considered slaves or other than wedlock can also be considered .
Read the words which absolutely gives one side authority which is granted to men in the phrase as" which ever way you like"
I have already told you that husband, marriage and wife all are strongly bonded junctions and this connections efficiently work if done on consensual basis.
Holy PROPHET all examples related to his martial life patterns follow this principle of consensus between two partners.
Now in Pakistan this ayat was and is still being highly misused and projected in mullah culture to stop the family planning techniques and fully authority is allotted to desire of men as plowers to come into field as per their demand.
Even women are forbidden to necessary medical gyne treatment as her man has to decide what is appropriate way of plow or unplow his field as per divine's order.
Normal and healthy person always opt for normal procedures of passing their married lives and for abnormal people ayats are not enough to guide them.
Nazia says: – July 10, 2010 at 7:23 pm Mughal Marriages were done always as a sacred and joyful events in all kind of civilization and people before Islam were well informed what were real modes of happy married life.
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Wrong again.
Before Islam:
They used to bury their Daughters [Ref: Quran]
When the infant girl buried alive is asked for what crime she was slain. (Surah al-Takwir 81:8)
Dear Ms. Nazia,
Sometime your posts really amazes me "people before Islam were well informed what were real modes of happy married life"
"marriages or relationships consisted of those in which a woman would sleep with another man with the approval of her husband in order to have a child, wife swapping, a woman would live with a man as his mistress, but would not be considered an adulteress due to her independence, a woman would concurrently being married to ten different men, temporary marriages, a son would marry his stepmother, or two sisters would marry the same man." [Ref: Ibn Khaldun, Tabari, Al Athir and Al Raheeq Al Makhtoom]
Nazia says: July 10, 2010 at 7:23 pm Mughal – read carefully this ayat – Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like. See the ambiguities which were/are misused by Muslim community
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Ambiguities are cleared in Haidth in very clear words.
Nazia: Now in Pakistan this ayat was and is still being highly misused and projected in mullah culture to stop the family planning techniques and fully authority is allotted to desire of men as plowers to come into field as per their demand.
MAM: If Mullah is misquoting and distorting this verse then please produce the evidence that "Mullahs have declared it Halal to indulge in Anal Sex with wife"??? Islam is not be blamed If I get drunk.
Mughal
Dont give the rare examples of group marriages, polygyny and polyandry like examples as it has no link with this ayat and arabic culture.
All major religions opposed such abnormal way of intimacy and found very rare in history.This concept still exists in many parts of world and depends upon traditional norms.
Marriages in most of civilization were indication of male supremacy on women of his choice and his need for assurance to paternity of his children under his family name.
Marriages of many Prophets have been given guidelines to generations.
In Prophet time recognition of such practice by the Nuer of Sudan allowing women to act as a husband in certain circumstances had been found, otherwise marriages were strongly male controlled event in Arab/Bedouin culture.
So dont give wrong justification to Ayat which only give an impression of male dominance in Muslim society.
Put your logic and this ayat in front of intellectuals of other religions and nobody would found a single correlation like that.
Muslim history under Prophet's orders has already prohibited sodomy , anal sex , homosexuality, sex with animals and are explained in very explicit way.
But you cant figure out a single Islamic society which still have these forbidden activities.
you say
before Islam:
They used to bury their Daughters [Ref: Quran]
When the infant girl buried alive is asked for what crime she was slain. (Surah al-Takwir 81:8)
Get facts you would hardly found a muslim woman who wants a female child first .All 's first and utmost demand is a male child. long chain of unwanted female kids for having male at all costs are normal practice in islamic society.
In past they had no ultrasound facility so they had to wait till the child was born.
Now people prefer infanticide in mother's womb if confirmed by doctor that child is girl.
So mentality is same behind act and it is to get ride of girl child.
Oh yes I agree that now some change is being seen in educated class but his change hasn't come through Koranic verses and guidance of Prophet but awareness come through education/ experience and mixing of many cultures are contributing to bring such kind of civilized changes.
Actually Muslim men cant think of rethinking of such ayats as Islam or its projection through male clerics had made it male dominating religion.
Whether it is to make choice of brides, matter of inheritances, issues of witnesses, family laws all are favoring muslim men.
So I think it is useless to talk to any Muslim man about complexity of such kind of Ayats in Islamic setup.
I think you havnt heard the terrible stories of wives of these mullahs and muslim men and what they do to their wives by considering them their personal field and it is beyond the scope of this ayat.
Nazia says: – July 11, 2010 at 7:28 pm Mughal Dont give the rare examples of group marriages, polygyny and polyandry like examples as it has no link with this ayat and arabic culture.
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I have just given you the background and context of the Verse.
Nazia: All major religions opposed such abnormal way of intimacy and found very rare in history.
MAM: Wrong again it was very common amongst Nation of LOT [PBUH] but it was between males.
Nazia: This concept still exists in many parts of world and depends upon traditional norms.
MAM: In one sentence you say it was rare and in the next sentence you say it still exist.!!!!
Nazia: Marriages in most of civilization were indication of male supremacy on women of his choice and his need for assurance to paternity of his children under his family name.
MAM: What is so wrong with it?
Nazia: Marriages of many Prophets have been given guidelines to generations.
MAM: Which one? References?
In Prophet time recognition of such practice by the Nuer of Sudan allowing women to act as a husband in certain circumstances had been found, otherwise marriages were strongly male controlled event in Arab/Bedouin culture.
MAM: Reference.
NAZIA: So dont give wrong justification to Ayat which only give an impression of male dominance in Muslim society. Put your logic and this ayat in front of intellectuals of other religions and nobody would found a single correlation like that.
MAM: I have just quoted Interpretation as per Hadith {that anal sex is forbidden with wife]. My logic was not there at all, I have just quoted the Hadith. Get Tafsir Ibn Kathir and read it yourself.
Nazia: But you cant figure out a single Islamic society which still have these forbidden activities.
MAM: Shirk [Polytheism] is declared Haram by Allah but some Muslims are indulged in it. How come Islam is responsible if human violate Commandments of the Lord. e.g. this: Black Magic through Holy Quran! http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/07/black-ma…
NAZIA: you say before Islam: They used to bury their Daughters [Ref: Quran] When the infant girl buried alive is asked for what crime she was slain. (Surah al-Takwir 81:8)
MAM: I didn't say that rather I have quoted Quran.
Nazia: Get facts you would hardly found a muslim woman who wants a female child first.All ‘s first and utmost demand is a male child.
MAM: Then why blame Male as you have above.
NAZIA: long chain of unwanted female kids for having male at all costs are normal practice in islamic society.
MAM: Reference.
NAZIA: Oh yes I agree that now some change is being seen in educated class but his change hasn’t come through Koranic verses and guidance of Prophet but awareness come through education/ experience and mixing of many cultures are contributing to bring such kind of civilized changes.
MAM: Indirectly it was the advice of Quran which ensured that the Girl Child is not buried alive. There are several Culture Mixed in India and "Suti – Burning of Widows" were quite prevalent.
Nazia: I think you havnt heard the terrible stories of wives of these mullahs and muslim men and what they do to their wives by considering them their personal field and it is beyond the scope of this ayat.
MAM: Yes I have heard and I know but where is Islam responsible in all this?
Mughal
why suicide bombers never hit the 4 houses of chaudry brothers who are on main road of lahore.
Why suicide bombers are unaware of big bunglows of Ijaz lhaq(main peshwar road) and general hamid nawaz(main double road of DHA isb.
All characters played strong role in lal mosque event.
Why suicide bombere never pick any BMW and mercedz roaming our streets all the time.
Why suicide bombers cant jump to general's colony which is found in all major cities of Pakistan.
Why suicidal bomber (90%) picked those people who were unaware of real intention of states, Taliban and US polciy in our areas.
Why rehman malik is not targeted by such soldiers of Allah.
These are our multiple faiths and related places which are always preferred to hit again and again so that people who are slaves of their faith could be instigated against each other.You can also say that we faith distorted people.
Nazia says: July 3, 2010 at 12:24 am Mughal You can also say that we faith distorted people.
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Yes, that is more appropriate that we have caused Insult to the Islam.
@NAZIA.
You are failed to hide that you are a JAMATI .
why you people forget that your own created monsters are hunting you now.just clean your mind and soul first and decide that Pakistan should be a secular country where every one free till he do not poke his nose in other persons faith .
Remind your self your college first day when some one Jamati greet you and start preaching you and if you try to run away from them they threat you .
Stop them there they are Mullas in modern attire .
Check the Juma speechs of few of the Masajid of Karachi especially located in suburbs you will pull your hair.
Stop them now the fire is reaching your plush ac homes.
Oh surkhy how intelligently you pick that I am jamati
You must be awarded with noble prize of intelligence.
This is your hi fi intelligence which can see that me and my jamati brothers are real criminals but you cant do a single act of intelligence to stop my way in your worship areas.
I am here with all my beard leadership speaking against govt and army who once feed me to become monster.
Come and try to catch any of my leader who are speaking against all US and ARMY.
Cursing on me and my party is just your waste of intelligence
so try to utilize it for stopping my mission as you are getting huge grants and facilities for your this kind of intelligence service,
I hope you understand what I MEAN TO YOU,
Mughal
This time master minder of terrorism has pressed the very sensitive nerve of Lahore and it would surely take toward decisive option whom they are trying hard to move for many months.
This shrine has huge numbers of followers all over the Pakistan and unique features in the field of spiritualism although many non Islamic and inhumane acts are all time seen around this area but still it attracts large gathering of shrine lovers.If you ever ask them that what are actual teaching and sayings of Ali hajvarie then hardly any one reply but all would praise about the spiritual powers of this saint.
So in coming days, decision of state would tell us that why such heinous crime was again planned on worshipers of shrine by hitting the faith of particular strong community of Pakistan.
targeting shrines is nothing new read some history and you'll get to know who has targeted and destroyed shrines, the same mentality still persists within our society
you think it is job of wahabi group then why people like babar awan and fauzia wahab are raising slogans of go punjab govt go after this tragedy or why our army management has cordially granted free air service to babar awan to distribute state money to lawyers.
Govt is simply exploiting the situation by doing nothing or giving free hand to extremist wahabi outfits in Punjab as well as in Karachi. Just see how easily Jundullah terrorists were freed from City Court in Karachi and the accused of Manawan Attack was also released plus the secterian killings in Karachi and blasts in Lahore all point towards negligence of Govt
It is negligence of LEA who in hurry or without proper investigations procedures arrest wrong people.
I am still unable to understand the mystery of simple intelligence that Ghq was attacked by former employee of ghq and cmh and his gang but still cant approach to his all network .
He was invloved in huge kind of corruption in medicine section and was put under inquiry but couldnt be arrested for longer period until he breached our icon of military power.
Same like that the lahore shrine bomber was resident of this shrine and one of majawar which was moving inside with heavy bag.
The people who know well about our real stories of these shrines are well informed that such kind of low IQ level majawar are best source of supplying drugs to addicts who are all time found abundant around these so called sacred shrines.So who knows that this man as part of ignorance is moving routine package of drugs that would be exploded with some timing device from remote area.
So in HARASSED state no official would work honestly until fear free working environment would be assured to him and his family.
Rana sunnallh with all his evil face destroyed and destroying illegal building in lahore and Muree. which is big blow to past time land mafias .One of plaza belong to salman tasser and others are his close friends in Lahori circle.
So who knows what is real motive behind this cowardly act of bombing on poor shrine worshipers.
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May Allah give the Muslims a high place in Jannat, Ameen.
We have become Zardari and Gilani ourselves. Just like them, when something tragic takes palce, we as a ritual show-off our sentiments, just like them -issue a statement go home, drink and enjoy rest of the evening.
Some of us even find the *opportunity* to preach their own agendas.
May Allah cure our hearts and may Allah guide us to the right path – the path which HE knows is right and it may not be the one WE think (and insist) is the right one, Ameeen.
Guilty as charged!
We as a nation are now at this point of time are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. We are seeing all the death, suffering and injustice in plain sight but accepting it as a matter of fact. One of the all time favorite phrase that I hear commonly is that anything is possible in Pakistan and that has become a accepted fact.
In my view there is always a tipping point. I believe something very drastic will happen in the future in our country and will require a trigger event. I don’t know what this trigger will be. I don’t know when this trigger event will happen. I can only guess what will happen. Something like what happened at the immediate aftermath of the fall of the regime of Saddam Hussain when the American forces entered Baghdad. I am still pondering what will then happen next.
Here in Pakistan US strategy is quite different than Iraq as this burden of intruding into streets and houses has been cordially taken by our army and its related agencies.They have comfortably accommodated US AND Nato army in secure PAKISTANI bases and providing them intelligence services so their drones can accurately and effectively attack on real terrorist.They are so busy with these masters that they never bother to look what is actually going on in our streets and worship areas as hitters of bombers are common people.
So don't ponder deeply as nothing would change from state level until these dead men community start thinking its future which are in hands of most dangerous rulers of state.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/…
Its not the crisis of Punjab, its the crisis of all Pakistan.
Media highlights as if its only Panjab thats burning. The whole Pakistan is burning. Is there any place in Pakistan where there is peace? it probably would be the desert where humans can not live.
From Karachi to Khyber, there is injustice all over. Its the rule of Jungle that is prevalent in Pakistan.
When people don't get justice and when only weaker and poorer gets punished than how can there be peace?
If it was the problem in Panjab only, then how come there is an ongoing target killing in Karachi? Baluchistan
Below is a link of only one day, when atleast 7 people were killed in Karachi.
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/7-4-2010/pic.asp?picname…
This has been going on for a while and people have become numb…
We have chosen a$$ holes as our leaders so what else can we expect? Chief Minister of Baluchistan says as a fake degree is also a degree….
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/6-30-2010/pic.asp?picnam…
and we wonder why these things are happening in our country…….
Here are our heroes in police in Pakistan…
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/06/29…
We got independence from the British who built schools, college, universities, roads, train system, hospitals, courts; did not blow up anyone's religious places and gave full religious freedom to everyone; just so we can bow to Taliban who blow up everything in sight and have no respect for our constitution, courts, places of worship or sovereignty. I hope people of Pakistan are not as cowards as Nawaz Sharif is. Nawaz Sahrif is welcome to go live in North Waziristan with his favourite Taliban, at the very least it will save the tax payers millions that is spent on Nawaz Sharif's security.
Hakeem says: – July 4, 2010 at 4:10 pm Taliban who blow up everything in sight and have no respect for our constitution, courts, places of worship or sovereignty.
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Correct: Sufi might have been a little ‘Kafir’ too: Munawar News Desk Thursday, April 23, 2009 Munawar Hassan, Sufi Muhammad, Jamat-e-Islami, Mullahs & Calamity of Takfir (Apostasy) – 1 http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/04/munawar-…
Hakeem says: – July 4, 2010 at 4:10 pm Taliban who blow up everything in sight and have no respect for our constitution, courts, places of worship or sovereignty.
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Mr. Hakeem is correct to the hilt and Qazi Hussain Ahmed also said that Sufi Mohammad is an Agent of Agencies and stopping JI's Islamic Revolution: Syed Munawar Hassan, Jamat-e-Islami, Pakistan Army & Intelligence Agencies
http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2009/05/syed-mun…
Dear Awab Sahab,
There is something wrong with your spam guard or there is a virus/bug on your blog because I have just removed Ms. Nazia's email/id to retype mine for posting a comment. Please check.
Dr awab
Your this spam guard or virus has come from intelligence background which is only intruding on the web pages of intelligence people.
At least it is not showing me email and ids of others as I am poor civilian of this country.
Mughal
Do you think that I would come to shock to read this or would say.Hiay allah jee ab kai ho ga???
Nazia says: – July 5, 2010 at 12:14 am At least it is not showing me email and ids of others as I am poor civilian of this country.
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MAM: If you are poor then we are also not Multi Billionaire.
Nazia: Mughal Do you think that I would come to shock to read this or would say.Hiay allah jee ab kai ho ga???
MAM: You are yourself a shock rather a institution. Yaani Aap apni Zaat mein Anjuman Hein. How dare one can harass you you.
Mughal
Thanks you have clear my misunderstanding.
So great to hear that I am not more than a terrible shock, not less important than our popular actress anjuman who is still harassing the audience of Paksitan other than Punjab province.
Nazia says: July 5, 2010 at 10:24 am Mughal popular actress anjuman.
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You misunderstood "Anjuman". Anjuman is used as a Phrase not the as a name of Actress Anjuman. Anjuman also means Institution.
Mughal
here poor stand for helpless and unapproachable not in context of money.
You see this spam guard only favors intelligence people to read others email and id.
Dont worry about my poor knowledge of urdu as I know what anjuman means.
You need time to understand lahori style jokes.
I have read few comments, the discussion is really being dragged away, so i will just comment on the main post.
It is really bad to know about another blast or attack on innocent people in any corner of the country. But obviously the pain of people who effected directly can't be matched.
But the thing is enemies of this country want to plant the same state of disbelief and ultimate frustration the part of which depicted in this main post.
We feel pain and feel bad when we listen something happening with our fellow country men, it may happen to us and someone we love. But the thing is along with the things you are saying we think are enough, must be minimum for us and for more we can do much.
Everyone can contribute, while you are outta home keep good eye on things going around you, things which are going on in your area. Have guts to report if you find anything unusual without thinking that its gonna be effective or not.
Whole society have to go to state of war in order to fight terror and do your part in pointing out the pad elements of society.
Bad guys are not from outside they are among us, some one good is always around some one bad but he/she either ignores the unusual stuff the first way or another, we have to take actions where we can.
Plus, This is not death valley, we have not to give a false impression to the world that life is no more in Pakistan, where these bad incidents are, we have much more good things, we have the hope and we finally gotta have the courage to do good.
I hope someone got my point.
It is not matter of life and death as a muslim we shouldnt afraid of angel of death as it will come to us as per order of Allah but living in insecure environment for longer period is highly annoying us.
There is no false impression to outer world but actually we are living in more worst living conditions .They come and see life styles of elites and movement in specific areas under military security so they are unaware of real threats comon people are facing by living along with this war.
Why whole society should go for this war on terror?
Illiterates people or civilian people are not in position to handle aggressive kind of terrorism.
On the other side this war bring financial stability to all miltiary and defense officers whether they are in war zone or not and rest of nation is facing burdens of taxes, high bill of utilities and buying costly food items.
On the army side incentives like early promotions, visits to US and EU, branded cars from US, even lot of army officers have been granted 10 years US visa along with social security numbers as employee of US.
SO in civilian side ,people are being removed from their homes in front of their helpless family and when agencies are asked about their whereabouts by courts all deny their kidnapping.
So kindly elaborate , how the nation who is suffering of power losses for half of day would think of standing with its army who never allow any kind of load shedding in their cordoned areas.
Before convincing others to become sacrificial goat kindly figure out those official criminals who are even filling the pockets of their next generation through such dollar funds which are coming here in the name of this war.
As long as this confrontation will not be over between PPP Zardari & PML,N & PML,Q, such type of tragic incidents will go on, because all these notorious politicians are trying to get complete hold on Punjab and they are not interested to look after the people or solve their any problem.
MR HAKEEM….!!!!!!
I don't belong to any political party nor I like any present politician, but one thing i must mention, that Nawaz Shareef is coward. He is not coward, because when Pakistan was going to make ist nuclear blast,President Clinton put his full pressure on Nawaz Shareef who was PM at that time that Pakistan should not make any nuclear blast, but Nawaz didn't care for his threatening. He made it, so in my opinion he is not coward, but you can call him a corrupt politician.
@sincere Pakistani,
Mr Hakeem is a Qadiani and for him every body who does not bow to Qadiani pressure should leave Pakistan so that they can make Pakistan a "Mujra-stan".
baseless thoughts, wasted our time
@All Pro War dudes,,,,
You need to learn from the History..You know America was never part of World War 1 and 80% of American are against the World War 1 but then an incident happened one of cruiser “Lusitania” carrying 128 American was drowned by German..American public turned pro-war they jumped in to the War at end lost their 120,000 men…Total human casualties were 21,228,813. more then 20 million people…
Now see the background of American entering war…
Sir Edward Grey, Foreign Secretary England asked American Colonel Mandel House (President Wilson’s top political advisor in 1915), What will America do if the Germans sink an ocean liner with American passengers on board?” and Colonel Mandel House answered, “I believe that a flame of indignation would sweep the United States and that by itself would be sufficient to carry us into the war.”
After this conversation On May 1st, 1915 the British Naval cruiser “Lusitania” was scheduled for Liverpool, taking off from New York harbor loaded with 600 tons of explosives, 6 million pounds of ammunition, 1,248 cases of shrapnel shells, other war materials, and last but not least 128 American passengers & drowned by German torpedo (which is an separate story why they drowned it)
“British commander Joseph Kenworthy, on duty when the ship was sunk, later revealed that her military escort was withdrawn at the last minute and her captain ordered to enter at reduced speed an area where a German U-boat was known to be operating.
My friend It’s a complicated situation. No one knows for certain who is friend & who is foe? We are making wild guesses on media reports not from Independent Analyst & Historical Facts. Just change the name in above phrases with America, Pakistan & Taliban it will tell you Pakistan's misery…
you sound like Zaid Hamid Kezzab…
Yes, seems to me a good fiction writer
mughal
what is purpose of this cursing.Why intelligent men of this forum want to give me entry pass of hell at all cost.
Did I do something wrong or after seeing your so much association with Allah and his Holy book , you have been assigned the job of selector of people for hell.
Any how if it is like that then hope to see you there, have a pious life here.
Nazia says: July 5, 2010 at 11:05 pm mughal what is purpose of this cursing.Why intelligent men of this forum want to give me entry pass of hell at all cost.
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I swear by Allah I didn't write this message. It is the Virus again. I never use this kind of language against anybody what to talk of a lady.
Attention: Dr Awab. Fix your blog's Virus.
Mughal
This is not virus.
This is technical hotch potch.
Nothing to make apologize.
I know your impression.
that is why I replied that person who is actually doing this.
I am surprise as blogger or having intelligence back ground you cant approach that person who is copying or bugging you like that
Dear Ms. Nazia,
Whoever he is, he is doing this with everybody e.g. first time it happened with me and then with AI and now with you. Believe me when I was trying to post a comment on this thread I saw your email address in email section of ID. Awab Sahab should check the bug.
mughal
This happened to you first time.
I should believe on seeing not saying in this net world
I am very much familiar with this bugging unidirectional ghost virus.
It is intention of human minds to curse others not act of virus .
No virus is itching on my side but people showing their anger.
Why I dont know?May dont like my thoughts but I cant speak lies to make them happy.
I think the war 19th WORD WAR between Nazia And Mughal is going well .Ap dono sy is mehfil main rang hy.
Because you both are on the same page and even then having WORD WAR is fun.
As LEFT is sleeping deep .our modern RIGHT is doing his job to confuse public more and more.
You all rich chap will understand when this poor man war reach to your homes.
@NAZIA :as you mention one of your comment that you can tame only 4 legs animal but experience with 2 legs animals who work for you as cook,drivers ext is not good .
Keep in mind feed these 2 lagers educate them other wise this virtual world internet bashing will not going to bring any change in this country .
Give respect to 70% of this population they dont understand your English till they dont get food,shelter,clothing,health,education as your kids get or be ready to FLY or enjoy another Afghanistan in heart of your country.
"I respect you a lot and never changed your name but i last mail you wrote my OH SURKHY .
I love to read your comments and i always do .
Ok call me a Surkhay or any thing else .Im not going to stop my self reading you.
surkha says: – July 6, 2010 at 3:55 pm I think the war 19th WORD WAR between Nazia And Mughal is going well .Ap dono sy is mehfil main rang hy. Because you both are on the same page and even then having WORD WAR is fun. As LEFT is sleeping deep .our modern RIGHT is doing his job to confuse public more and more. You all rich chap will understand when this poor man war reach to your homes.
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Dear Mr/Ms. Surkha,
Thanks for the compliment. By the way how did you know that we are Rich?
Honorable and respectable surkha shahib
so sorry my punjabi watta (stone) style has hurt you as I am quite slang in my lahori way of talking.
What is this 19th word war concept as here is 19 world cup is going on but I am sure our world couldnt survive upto 19th world war as heroes like dr Aq khan has been hired by all weak countries to threaten their neighbors and enemies by this dangerous inventions which can really create countries where only dead men would walk on this irreversible damage to area.
Now you say left is sleeping like sleeping beauty so who is forcing her to sleep under tranquilizer for so much long period or her all princes runaway from their stance of awakening her and help her to reinstate to her real place.
The you say you never changed or distorted my name.
Oh my god where should I go to prove my charges what have you done to me and my name.
kis kay hath per lahoo talsh karron saray shar nay dastany phan rakhya hain.
Sorry if find some error as have very poor poetic sense.
It is not you but me who never afraid of facing people with one and real identity even in harsh and crucial discussions.
So enjoy the deceptive capacity of this curtained net world.
You can check your stance on above comments where you are calling me jamaitia.In lahori culture before advent of talibans we were used this name to fussy and religious fanatics.Now it has been swapped with taliban.
Any how people cant see their mistakes but take no time to curse others for nothing.
You think that educated people bring sincerity and professionalism in Paksitani culture.
These are the curses of edcuated class for which we are reaping in the form of corruption, mismanagement and terrorism in our soil.These illiterates are just aggravating the situation design by cream of educated class of Pakistan.
US and European countries have highest education level but they prefer to live with pets even with close relations.
The reason is only unconditional love and deaf and dump responses from their pets which is not possible in human relations.
Nobody can challenge my quality of giving respect to 70% population but it is not job as an individual to give them food shelter and education.It is govt's duty which is run by runaway leaders and military dictators whom you proudly praise/ pick on the basis of ethnicity and feudalistic nature , not for their political qualities and result is in front of all of us.
Thanks for your undue respect .I don't deserve this as I am just a nomad of this net world as compare to you a professional decoy in this world of bloggers.
Mughal
I dont know about you but at least I am very rich but only in my relations, friendships and unaccountable blessings from my elders.
I dont know why surkha consider me and you on same side as I always consider you intellectual hypocrite who most of time criticize others on the basis of standard principles but I dont think so you can follow all this in your real life which you preach through solid references.
Nazia says: July 7, 2010 at 12:04 am Mughal I dont know why surkha consider me and you on same side as I always consider you intellectual hypocrite who most of time criticize others on the basis of standard principles but I dont think so you can follow all this in your real life which you preach through solid references.
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Well Said! intellectual hypocrite.
Dilemma of our society is that they are freaking egghead…..I think more then 70% of people in this blog are egghead.. more interested in ideas and theories than in practical actions………. they talk about tolerance & f*** it in the same breadth..
One wonders even after tragic incidents like Data Darbar massacre how can someone have the nerve to call it an “American war”. It is a war of Pakistan a nation who has lost over 30 thirty thousand lives in the last eight years. This is a battale of our survival and we will not give up and neither can any amount of propaganda effect our Morales.
Thanks for declaring this.
Is MUSH related to you in some way?
Those who declared this our war and then throw us in this war has gone with the wind and passing life in UK apartment just for his personal security.
Let see it is our war.
So why a majwar of shrine reacted against his own residence?
Why the simple nurse of CMH had been successful to kill service men like him?
Who trained a nurse to be act like strong commando?
What was relation of moon market and qisa khawani shoppers that had been blown off wihtout telling them that they were aliens of state.
Let consider it is our war where our enemies are just like us and standing in front of our doorstep then why our army is busy in high tech war inventories like buying of F16, nuclear submarines, modern air communication system etc.
What was use of such equipments and technology which have been purchased in last 7 years by our defense ministry while we are facing home terrorism in our door step.
@ All Pro War…
In first world war 20,000,000 (20) million people lost their life…World Nations try to make league of nations to stop further war but failed.
World War II started in 1939 America lost 418,500 Japan lost 2,700,000 people. Total human elimination was more then 70,000,000 (70 Million).
At the end what happened Japan, America, Germany & UK become almost friend which they need to be after World War I.
Your theory is that eliminate millions of people and then make them friend… no doubt some time WAR is inevitable but problem starts when for no reason for whatsoever you prolong it…… educate the people with truth without any ethnic or religious bias on it & accept past mistakes and open to new things… In my view Religion (every no exception )is the most misused commodity of the entire human evolution
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/408/tolerance-f…
I wonder when the crisis like this will go away once for all. It has started recently in Pakistan and every ordinary citizen seems to be suffering 🙁
Oh may Allah bless us all.
Those who did this are the biggest Kufaars of all time.
Majority of citizens in Pakistan condemn terrorism and condemn such actions also. We must eradication the terrorism from our country and promote moderate views all around.
We are condemning terrorism???
and we are continuously condemning terrorism and it is still going on around as without any eruption from state.
We are condemning terrorism as we cant eradicate it.Those who can try to stop it actually pushing this germs in all parts of Pakistan.
so when thieves and guards are bribed by outer forces and follow the instruction of aliens for dollar funds no one cay stop this terrorism.
So carry on your this condemnation process as it is not heard in the factory of bombers which is producing such scenes as per demand of higher ruling class.
Honorable and respectable Nazia Sahiba.
You have great writing skills.
If you and sweet brother Mughal do not show up on the blog.The blog feel dray and color less.
But
Bring any change by writing a blog in cool room is not going to bring any change in this society.
Lets bring your self out join or have your own political party ,move the masses and take them to polling station to vote for change.
In our times we had police torchers house raids insults .
We brought some small impacts .
I wish i had good English writing skill like you people .
Dont waste your sills ,come on do some thing positive.
i respect both of you and salute you too.
Your highness surkhay sahib
are you ok??
The moment I read your comments immersed with high level of mannerism.it made me sick, acute stomach cramps and dizziness.
you are giving me high doses of respect which neither suits you nor good for my health.
Commentators are not here to show their writing skills and I have no such skills , nor has any thought to change the system through my little experiences which I share here.
I have no blog which is demand of latest trend.
But one thing I am sure about me that I cant make fool people even living in this hidden world.I never exploit/misuse simplicity of any person through false responses.
In which you are expert??
People like you make a trend that don't trust anybody, dont believe what people say and don't rely on human expressions as we do in our practical life.
So I think our mental approach of educated and illiterates are same so nothing matters unless we start thinking with positive intentions by killing our ill will nature.
SurkhaY says:July 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm I wish i had good English writing skill like you people. Dont waste your sills ,come on do some thing positive. i respect both of you and salute you too. – writing a blog in cool room is not going to bring any change in this society.
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Thanks for the compliment. Your English is good enough because we are also not Shakespeare or Keats:))) By the way writing something is itself a change.
Best Regards
Looking in to present situation in Pakistan, we have to change our this slogan,
" PAKISTAN KA MUTLAB KIA LAEE LA HA ILLAL LAH "
but we can change it to,
" PAKISTAN KA MUTLAB KIA KHA PEE JA AUR PAKRA NA JA "
This present govt,it's alliance and opposition party all are busy either in getting commission and kickbacks,or saving their looted wealth from SC or struggling to release their wealth from Judiciary.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-…
This is the planted news item by Army / ISI in response to the Punjab Government's earlier planted news item against ISI…
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/7-7-2010/pic.asp?picname…
102 innocent Pakistanis died in last day suicide attack in Mohmand Agency….What the Fuck our Army doing, they have done numerous operations in that region in past 5 years & can't control the insurgency in that region despite killing scores of people daily in that region. Every day we heard that Army killed 20-30 terrorist in that region. Then why can't they show us the pictures of these terrorist killed by them ??
I am saying this for years and will say it again "War is in favour of both Pakistan Army & USA Army" its people whom are suffering not top brass…..
Punjab govt’s inaction against militants irks GHQ
Why on Punjab govt only.
That is real problem that when GHQ irks , nobody knows what they can do to lessen this irk.
Baluchistan is burning and balochis are in peak of frustration but GHQ never irks as here it is her forces controlling its law and security through FC.
Ghq never irks that Karachi is eating away 6 to 7 men daily on the name of Target killing as its favorite party is handling this matter efficiently and swiftly clearing its enemies under the name of ethnic and religious cover up.
Ghq never irks when 100 men died and 200 injured in mehmund agency which is under control of army men for last 7 years.
Ghq never thinks of irking when intelligence agencies issue clueless warning without mentioning source of authenticity.
Ghq never irks when 3.6bn $ f16s package deals are successfully made at this financial disaster time in the history of Pakistan.
Punjab govt is on high tide time where talibans are hitting it again and again,
it is irking ghq.
it is annoying babar awan for his hatham tai acts.
Salman and zardari CO has openen all channel of conflict against them.
so what is it.
Are three other provinces are working efficiently and accurately in their areas??
The difference is obvious and it is only Punjab which seems to react against military policy and favoring Judiciary.
It may be game of manipulation to divert the attention of active public from other serious issues related to extreme disorders in all level of govt management.
@Nazia very true….
This is the planted news item by Army / ISI in response to the Punjab Government’s earlier planted news item against ISI…
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/7-7-2010/pic.asp?picname…
102 innocent Pakistanis died in last day suicide attack in Mohmand Agency….What the F*** our Army doing, they have done numerous operations in that region in past 5 years & can’t control the insurgency in that region despite killing scores of people daily in that region. Every day we heard that Army killed 20-30 terrorist in that region. Then why can’t they show us the pictures of these terrorist killed by them ??
I am saying this for years and will say it again “War is in favour of both Pakistan Army & USA Army” its people whom are suffering not top brass…..NO to WAR…
Tayyab
mehmund agency blast is very eyeoping for civiliian setup who are believing that our army is fighting for real cause and big slap to army management which ISPR daily give statements of army success in tribal areas.
Interesting thing is all govt people belong to PPP and ANP are silent like deaf and dumps as nothing matters if 100 people died like stray dogs.
We are passing the tragic moments of our history as we are our savior and we are also our killers. so differentiation between saviors and killers is only done on the basis of wearing national color.
Those who obey the orders would be righteous and who would resist are name as tyrants.
Divide and rule is still controlling our state with more severe intensity.
Mughal
you have conclusion that
Islam is not be blamed If I get drunk.
You are very right
But drunk man has still an edge on all matters in any Islamic society on strong, pious and hardworking Muslim women.
Oh sure it is not mistake of Islamic society but it matters when drunk male is given edge on pious lady on court issue in witness box.
It really hurts daughters when drunk and disobedient son is allotted more share from inheritance by ignoring the self less services of daughter.
It breaks the heart of women when drunk husband kick out her wife and give way to another bride by giving her some compensation in the name of maintenance.
Where is Islam responisble in all this or in this: Black Magic through Holy Quran! http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2010/07/black-ma…
Mughal
After this book would we see sooner an advertisement on TM or in your blog that
Pir shah Mohammed amir mughal intelligence walay baba would sooner arrange faith rectify meetings for victims of false pirs to get rid of personal problems related to black magic.
Women and young ladies have separate arrangements strictly in private room.
Am I RIGHT? as you have touched the weakest area of our society in your research.
Nazia says: – July 13, 2010 at 12:51 pm Mughal After this book would we see sooner an advertisement on TM or in your blog that Pir shah Mohammed amir mughal intelligence walay baba would sooner arrange faith rectify meetings for victims of false pirs to get rid of personal problems related to black magic.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
One shouldn't comment on anything without reading a it, go through the book. I didn't write this book to snatch the "Guddi" of Pir Pagara and Makhdooms:))) It is basically a research book on Amailyat and Taweez Ganda and if you would read the book then you may know the way Mullahs used Quran! you would be shivering to your very core. South Asian Women [even the educated ones] are so superstitious that you won't believe. This book is rather against any knid of Pirs and Faith Healers. A quote from my book.
"This is my personal observation that in more than 90% Cases there is no evidence of "Demonic Possession "Aasaib Zadgi" or Jinxed means "Seherzadgi" rather 90% Cases can be treated with any good Psychiatrist and Medications – also simply remembering Allah and through cleansing one's own self [Tazkiya-e-Nafs] these diseases can be cured. Only 10% Cases are of"Demonic Possession "Aasaib Zadgi" Jinxed means "Seherzadgi" which can be treated with the help of Namaz and Prescribed Recitation of Quran and Supplication [as prescribed by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and Salaf As Saleheen]. What I mean to say is that there is no need of any Pir [Read Quacks], and Aamil [Read Frauds or even worse Sorcerers].
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Nazia: Women and young ladies have separate arrangements strictly in private room. Am I RIGHT? as you have touched the weakest area of our society in your research.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
To enjoys sex and privacy with women/young ladies I wouldn't need the Cover of Quran and Piri Faquiri. Markets are open for such girls and sex can be bought so I won't be reciting Quranic Verses for such enjoyment.
Nazia says: – July 13, 2010 at 12:51 pm Mughal After this book would we see sooner an advertisement on TM or in your blog that Pir shah Mohammed amir mughal intelligence walay baba would sooner arrange faith rectify meetings for victims of false pirs to get rid of personal problems related to black magic.
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Attentively watch the Aleister Crowley – Masters Of Darkness 1/5 which I uploaded in the blog and do read my book and then compare that both the groups [Mullahs and Aleister Crowley] almost did the same kind of chillas: Black Magic through Holy Quran!
Mughal
I dont know the internal intention of any person but I just present you what I read since my child hood.
Sorry if you found some degraded comment which you felt personally but I only take piece as routine activity found in such gatherings
I cant be shivered in such meetings as I have attended 4 or 5 gatherings like and observed all acts of women and pirs very minutely and thoroughly.
I was really shocked to see that women without any hesitation give all details of private lives to ugly characters whom they call sian, baba, shah jee etc.
They are very ugly in face expressions and their acts are highly irritated.
Here I had concluded that men in relations as a father, brother and husband keep their daughter sister and wife away from reality of strange men and also deprive them from real passions which make them unsatisfied and way to such characters .
That might be reason of their blind trust on such filthy men and take them to indulge in weak faith like situation.
Only in one gathering I found a very handsome pir who mesmerized the majority ladies mostly from elite background through his physical attraction and highly impressive tone.
I was so ashamed to see in such gatherings that these women were just acting like robots in front of such characters I was quite sure after seeing their body gestures that they are highly insecure or might be unsatisfied due to negligence of their male relations.Such kind of handsome pir surely take no time to enjoy such easy baits which can provide them physical and monetary benefits.
Any how again sorry for my stupid comment on aid related joke
Oh sure I would read your book as it available in Karachi only.
Cant hear the acts of Aleister Crowley as my speaker system is not working but would try in coming days.
By the way I have seen all such frauds around me since my childhood as adventures because in my my family and friends cirlce also have such superstitious souls still wandering in search of genuine pir all the time.
Nazia says: – July 13, 2010 at 1:55 pm I cant be shivered in such meetings as I have attended 4 or 5 gatherings like and observed all acts of women and pirs very minutely and thoroughly.
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MAM: You will be shivering if you would read as to how Mullah insulted Quranic Verses by writing it with Unlcean Blood.
NAZIA: That might be reason of their blind trust on such filthy men and take them to indulge in weak faith like situation.
MAM: The book is exactly written for the same reason to warn general public to keep themselves away from such filth.
Nazia: Cant hear the acts of Aleister Crowley as my speaker system is not working but would try in coming days. By the way I have seen all such frauds around me since my childhood.
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MAM: Some of them are not fraud but real sorcerers.
Mughal
Islam and its followers project all favors which give even benefit of doubt to men whether he is adulterer, drunk or professional criminal.
That is my simple point which is not breaching your big and strong brain even simple practical examples are being given to you.
Pious Muslim woman should be kept in better place over corrupt and weak men in all state and religious matters or same thing unfaithful and corrupt women should be placed in lower status in Muslim community.
Now this system has been started dominating in Muslim countries too and it is due to western edcuated culture as an example of evolution of civilized society where people are being rated on the basis of caliber, morality,hardworking and honesty not being part of any gender.
That is why you see many Islamic laws are transformed in favor of public by naming it as judical and state injunctions in religious matters.
You have made good effort of revealing the dominance of false impression of faith healers in our society but it wont be work until state or system would legally stop them.
People around us are slaves of of respective faiths which are feed to them through their elders or system since their birth time.
You can read this article and find that in what ways state people are behind these people or groups.This Bengali baba has fooled the Muslim community living in setup of London fro many many years but was kicked out from UK when a muslim Pakistani women charged him sexual assault on her while treating her faith.
Now he (due to his friendship with lords of multan) is successfully running his business in center of Islamabad where his most visitors are from educated and elite back ground.
http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/daily-pakistani-u…
Nazia says: – July 12, 2010 at 1:07 pm Mughal Islam and its followers project all favors which give even benefit of doubt to men whether he is adulterer, drunk or professional
criminal.That is my simple point which is not breaching your big and strong brain even simple practical examples are being given to you.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Reference from any Verse of Quran and Text of Hadith. Generalization is wrong which you often do as you have done above "Islam and its followers project all favors".
Each time it seems like a worst catastrophie of it's kind until another happens.
Somehow I do not believe Government is weak but I do believe nobody in Government takes it seriously.
The problem with the masses is whom to ask questions from?Who would deliver?
There are so many divides,religious parties,political parties,The central government and provencial government and Judiciary VS civil government and on top of it all Afghanis,US,India and everything and everyone .
It is true that nobody can ever be prepared for such type of barbaric attacks but we must not givein to Terrorists who ever they are ?
The question is Awam are United BUT who is with them?
Is the government defending them?
Has police done its best to secure the citizens?
What are our representatives doing ?
and here I blame the public.We allow them to be in the offices but do not bring them to book?
Until the
public itself will realise its power and will take the power in its own hands Nothing is going to change.
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It can be Black water ,it can be Raw ,it can be our own local thugs who can do anything for the sake of money but there are people in the government offices who are responsible to deal with Raw,Black Water or these Thugs why are they not doing their jobs???????????
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farrah shah says: – July 12, 2010 at 6:28 pm Somehow I do not believe Government is weak but I do believe nobody in Government takes it seriously. It can be Black water
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Dear Ms. Farrah,
You are correct to the hilt. Here is the clue but clue is not evidence: Contractors Tied to Effort to Track and Kill Militants By DEXTER FILKINS and MARK MAZZETTI Published: March 14, 2010 A version of this article appeared in print on March 15, 2010, on page A1 of the New York edition. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/world/asia/15co…
More Clues: REFERENCE: Outsourcing intelligence By David Ignatius Wednesday, March 17, 2010 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti…
It really doesnt matters that either it is balck water and dyne corps which trained corps have been settled in our setup.
But it seriously matters that all has been done under the obseravtion of our popular FIUs and monitoring by GHQ.
Long time ago it was case of general faisal alvi to whom bhutto had given special relations for joining army as having dual nationality.
Now SINCE Musharraf regime,ARMY has fully allowed HER BLUE BOYS in army , navy and air force men to accept the US nationality and social security numbers.Hundreds of officers along with their family members have been given 10 year US visa under authority letter of GHQ.
Another thing which is irritating their other fellow officers are sumptuous way of living of blue boys which is clearly prominent them in any cantonment.So highly polarized environment has been built where pro Americans and anti Americans sentiments are coming in front of each other and it would surely affect the declining standard of miltiary and intelligence operations in war and tense areas.
surkha
By the way you can join Mughal on the forum of Bolta Pakistan as I would like to come on bolti Pakistan platform which is already covering 51%population of Pakistan.
Another conflict brewing;
http://tribune.com.pk/story/27234/%e2%80%98if-no-…
Nazia, get ready to collect wood form jungle, no more gas for cooking 🙂
Mughal.
I am picking few which have become reasons of victimizing the weak genders in our system
I have read many versions of same ayats which I always thought or saw being misused in our system.
I have no doubt about Allah's power and personally experience this phenomena that He cant do injustice to His creations but we as strong humans are misusing his codes, his orders.eg
1)The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:
The share of the male shall be twice that of a female .
or in case of absences of male heir or being a childless lady I have seen how law and men of this society on the name of sharia is misusing their power which is given to them by a system controlled by men of society.
2)The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:
And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets .
Already prevailing hudood laws in which 4 witnesses are required for rape and adultery is nothing more than mockery as it favors the men of this society so nobody bothers to change it.
The impacts of such laws are creating ambiguity which I have already mentioned that witness should be honest fair and righteous muslim and it doesn't matter whether it is two or three adult men or women .
You quoted this ayat
before Islam:
They used to bury their Daughters [Ref: Quran]
When the infant girl buried alive is asked for what crime she was slain. (Surah al-Takwir 81:8)
I just replied you that since 1400 years this aayt couldnt get its real place in any islamic society in which modern ways are being used to get rid of girl child.
You know why because of biased Islamic laws in matter of property, inheritance and martial relations.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:
It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore,do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.
Marriage is a consensual relation and if it is going to break then decisions should be from two sides , men should not be sole decision maker as it is presented in this ayat.
The Sunnah also showed this attitude in which Holy Prophet always focussed to listen from two side before impleemnting any dovorce.
That was the reason he didnt allow Hazrat Ali to go for 2nd marriage as long as Hazrat fatima was alive.
He couldnt give divorce to hazrart Hafsa(daughter of Hazrat omer) whom was known as short tempered lady like His father.
Please dont ask me references as I read this all in my student life when few of my friends were preparing for CSS exams.
They had brought out this literature from libraries and we discussed it in our free time.
Women as wife is not an disposable item which can be expired after husband mood or change in his financial position .
People surely love their daughters but they are afraid that this system cant protect their loving soul which is always consider as honor of any family.
That is why mothers never pray to have daughters even they know sons are not as sincere as daughters but supremacy through social and religious norms by having male child give them psychlogical security in this Islamic society.
Please dont give me lectures of ideal Islamic society as I am just telling you what I am experiencing in my system.
Nazia says: – July 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm Mughal. Please dont ask me references as I read this all in my student life when few of my friends were preparing for CSS exams.
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Without reference, this may be your opinion not a Hujjat [Proof] for anybody.
Salam To both Nazia zohaib oh no Adi Nazia and bha Mughal.
Being a bookworm im going to buy that book ,i need to go to urdu bazar because all near by book shop dont have it.
Why dont you both highly educated intellectual people start a joint blog like bolta pakistan but the issue is you both are on the same page ,
@ Nazia you have washed the lable Jamtia because a jamati women never ever can write these comments .
I know one pir sahib who do DAM by cell phone the patient was in uk. I think dollars will come.
Surkha says: – July 15, 2010 at 8:09 pm Salam Why dont you both highly educated intellectual people start a joint blog like bolta pakistan but the issue is you both are on the same page ,
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W Salam,
No we are not on same page.
Oh surkhay
you have given a shock of 420 volts to Mughal and his thorough personality by equalizing his strong intellectual level with my low profile.
I am sure he would have been highly disturbed after hearing this but see how humbly he is trying to improve your IQ APPROACH.
I think when you come on TM you are on "TUN" state and limit your reading skill just upto name of commentators.If you are able to read the content then you might improve your judgement so kindly try to read few when you are not in TUN form so at least Mughal wouldn't recieve such kind of shock like that.
I should really praise your rainbow of wisdom in which you keep surkh(red) in your custody and spill other on us for keep us amusing.
but you should take care of sentiments of intellectuals like mughal.
I wish and pray that he could be able to establish any modern religious institute or net forum which would produce some new look to our already existing orthodox medressah /relgious setup.
This would be the right usage of his enormous talent/knowledge which he is wasting on goofs like me and you too.
By the way to which pir of telephone whom you are referring us we only know one pir of uk which is controlling whole mqm through his tele DAM for last 18 years.
Believe me this is IQ of mqm people who are tolerating such kind of pir the day this pir would even try to impress lahoris through his DAM skills he would forget his all piri faqiri .
For his expenditures dollars are going from Pakistan so that he can live happily and securely there.
Nazia says: – July 16, 2010 at 11:07 am Oh surkhay you have given a shock of 420 volts to Mughal and his thorough personality by equalizing his strong intellectual level with my low profile.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
You have said it yourself because I don't consider your profile a "Low Profile". Difference of opinion is one thing but I don't believe in insulting somebody.
Nazia says: – July 16, 2010 at 11:07 am – but you should take care of sentiments of intellectuals like mughal.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
This was really an Insult:) I am not an intellectual at all just "Cut Pastia" means collect bits and pieces from all over the place for setting the record straight.
Nazia: to establish any modern religious institute.
MAM: No need at all just add Math, Physics, Chemistry, Geography and Computer Sciences and Comparative Religious studies in the existing Madressah and their Syllabus and Madressahas would do just fine.
Nazia: This would be the right usage of his enormous talent/knowledge which he is wasting on goofs like me and you too.
MAM: Nobody is goof here we just learn from each others experiences and knowledge.
Nazia says: – July 13, 2010 at 1:20 pm Mughal Islam after originating from one Prophet,
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Yes Islam did originate from One Prophet i.e. Prophet Abraham [PBUH] and every Prophet [PBUH] after him was on Islam and Islam was perfected and completed on Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]:
That's why Prophet Abraham [PBUH] was given a name "Muslim"
وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ
And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Abraham (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper! [AL-HAJJ (THE PILGRIMAGE) Chapter 22 – Verse 78]
Oh no no mughal
I havent said you cut pastia in my any comment.
I am just replying our highness red riding hood that kindly make a balance before comparing two different personalities.
I labeled you once as intellectual hypocrite and I am still stick to it.
Actually I have brought up among such intellectual hypocrites as my family people who have vast knowledge of every thing but hardly found work spirit in them when I had my self come to practical life.
I was very impressed by them when I am passing student life.
But my practical life has taught me very different lessons specially living in hypocrite environment of Pakistan.
I feel may be wrong that a farmer working in his field or skilled person in his outlet is more practical and useful than my these people.
Practically and logically we are very very backward nation.
This deficiency can only be make up if real edcuated class come out of their theory and start handling the real ground issues which have been aggravated like termite growth and eating our values and national spirit.
That is why I am giving you an idea of establishing set up of modern Islamic studies , where people would get broadminded vision as being religious scholar.
Our institutes taught all sciences with basic islamic history but you can see that we even couldnt follow those simple hadith and ayat in our daily life styles which we start learning as a Muslim child.
We start our religious affairs from having beard or taking head covering and finish it by saying prayer five times of having fast.
I haven't thought of insulting you any way and never ever can deny your intellectual skills.
Oh yes I have a slip tongue problem which I have already accepted in front of all without any regret.
This is my inbuilt genetic disorder and I cant get rid of this but if some one is hurt I am ready to apologize it without any shame.
Nazia says: – July 16, 2010 at 7:33 pm Oh no no mughal I havent said you cut pastia in my any comment. I am just replying our highness red riding hood that kindly make a balance before comparing two different personalities.
I labeled you once as intellectual hypocrite and I am still stick to it.
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Yes I know you didn't use that term which was used by those who have Islamic Itch. You can have whatever opinion or title for me I never mind.
Nazia: This deficiency can only be make up if real edcuated class come out of their theory and start handling the real ground issues which have been aggravated like termite growth and eating our values and national spirit.
MAM: Agreed.
Nazia: I haven’t thought of insulting you any way and never ever can deny your intellectual skills. Oh yes I have a slip tongue problem which I have already accepted in front of all without any regret.
MAM: For me its fine but use it carefully elsewhere because its the Tongue which will put man/woman in hell or paradise.
MAM: For me its fine but use it carefully elsewhere because its the Tongue which will put man/woman in hell or paradise.
MAM
Who knows our fate after death except Allah but here I can give you one conclusion through my experience that is our tongue and its verbal quality that can make our life like hell or peaceful like paradise in this world too.
Abusive terms, loose language, attacking people with vulgar terms all could be modern trends but since last generations it is best options to transform your life and surrounding in hell like situation.
So in this world if you are in need of good people, sincere relations your tongue is best power to conquer the heart and mind of people.
Again we Pakistani are top who prefer to use this tongue quality to cheat or abuse others.That is why no one come to you in difficult and hard times .
Do you think my slip tongue problem is equivalent to loose talk in this net world.
Mughal
Islam after originating from one Prophet, one Quran and one Allah has been divided in 72 sects.
This was not easy act as muslim have divided their faith on the basis of solid proof(hujjat) derived from one quran and one sunnah
Quran was compiled at the time of Hazrat omer farooq and under shia 's islam there were lot of controversial acts those had been done during that period.
Do you have any proof that Quran which was compiled on the basis of human memory at that time was 100% accurate.
It is all matter of faith and blind trust on Allah's supreme power which force us to think that our religion and Holy BOOK IS PERFECT.But it would only prove correct when we are able to set an exemplary ISLAMIC STATE which we are still unable after 1400 years.
Nazia says: – July 13, 2010 at 1:20 pm Mughal Islam after originating from one Prophet, one Quran and one Allah has been divided in 72 sects.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
You would have to read a lot about 72 Sects. These Sects had appeared because people [those who created such sects] interpreted Quran as per their whims and desire by abandoning the Interpretation of Quran as interpreted by Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] through Hadith and as Interpreted by three blessed Generation [Salaf As Saleheen] after him [PBUH].
By the way 72 Sects had appeared and vanished within 100 years from the battle of Neherwan to mid period of Abbasids.
Read that Hadith again and read with History, those 72 Firqa had already appeared [Ref: 1 – Talbees Iblees by Ibn Jawzi]
More sources:
2 – Al-Fisal fi al-Milal wa al-Ahwa' wa al-Nihal ("The Separator Concerning Religions, Heresies, and Sects") by Ibn Hazm
3 – Kitab Al Milal Wal Nihal Of Imam Al-shahrastani
Hadith is correct and these Firqas had already appeared and vanished. Read the books I mentioned above translation is available at Fazlee Sons, URDU Bazar Karachi.
I could be wrong but what I read in History, Hadith and above books, I reached to the conclusion that the present divide isn't the same divide which was indicated in the 72 sect Hadith. There are only two major sectc now i.e. Sunni and Shias.
Nazia: Do you have any proof that Quran which was compiled on the basis of human memory at that time was 100% accurate.
MAM: Yes I have the proof:
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian. [AL-HIJR (AL-HIJR, STONELAND, ROCK CITY) Chapter 15 – Verse 9]
Sorry I dont agree with you as I am witnessing shia, sunni, ismaili, qadaiayna, beralvi, whabi etc.In congested areas I hear same Azzan repeating for 5 or 6 times from different mosques as people want to heard haya slauat from the cleric of their faith.
Along with this divisions we have another kind of groups which shift their center of faith as per demand of daily life.if their boss is shia or the have no male heir or want to save zakat from bank, they would take no time oath to become shia.
Our popular lawyer and ex judge Nasira jaavid Iqbal who is daughter in law of sufi Allama Iqbal is very popular in Lahore circle for advising people to become shia for securing their property and money.
If some are interested to take funds from saudi shiekh on promotion of Wahhabism they would take no time to present themselves as pure wahbai .
Now US aid is diverting our muslims toward christainity too so these days I am seeing that receivers of US aide for orphanage are calling themselves papa and mama while working in Pakistan.
We are morally very weak nation and for us our materialistic desires should always be kept on high level of priority.
This trend of extremeness for materialistic happiness is very common in our all sects and might be reason of our extreme tendency to adopt the hard religious norms for taking cover like turtle shell.
You read all this it is good and given us conclusions.
It is enough for me.
My religious knowledge usually restrict to matters which I encounter on daily basis in my routine life.
Other than this Really I have less time as I always think that Allah has bestowed all of US lot of responsibilities and we should always enjoy to fulfill all such assigned jobs in our best capacity rather than diving into theoretical knowledge.
Nazia says: – July 14, 2010 at 11:22 am Sorry I dont agree with you as I am witnessing shia, sunni, ismaili, qadaiayna, beralvi, whabi etc.In congested areas I hear same Azzan repeating for 5 or 6 times from different mosques as people want to heard haya slauat from the cleric of their faith.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
You do have a right to disagree but let me made one thing clear [Sunni: Barelvis, Deobandis, and Wahabis are all Sunnis and not sects and before denying the Finality of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] the Ahmedis/Mirzai/Quadiyanis were also Sunni Hanafis (differentiate between School of Though and Sect] = Shia [Ismaili is a branch of Shia Sect]
Nazia: Our popular lawyer and ex judge Nasira jaavid Iqbal who is daughter in law of sufi Allama Iqbal is very popular in Lahore circle for advising people to become shia for securing their property and money.
MAM: It could be her personal opinion and that if she said that because you have provided no reference????
Nazia says: July 14, 2010 at 11:32 am You read all this it is good and given us conclusions.
MAM: All the Scholars should sit and resolve their minor differences.
Mughal
your theory may be correct as far as classification is concerned but what I have seen in congregations of different sect which cant be match with your observation.
eg
sunnis who wear green turban have very abnormal way of praising when matter of Holy prophet and shahaba come.This theme is absent in wahabi gathering.
Sunnis and shias sometime touch to level of shirk for praising Holy PROPHET, HAZRAT ALI and Hazart hussain
This scene was absent in wahbi group.
you can feel the difference when amir liaquat hussain speaks as compare to dr Israr or any shia cleric.
I have watched gatherings of shia and ismailia.
their roots might be same but way of preaching is quite or 100% different.
There is no wailing in Islmai during mohram places but they bow down in front of prince Agha.
Nasra javid did this to my family people for securing their business.
There was another ex cjp living in lahore who for last 10 years couldnt decide the fate of his only daughter who is not willing to live with her husband whom she has three kids as that man is not abiding her and her father.That ex cjp also has headed sharai courts and allotted many divorces to Muslim couples but being a father neither he forced his daughter to go and live with his humble husband who is her first cousin too nor he is allowing his son in law to go for 2nd marriage and have normal life.
I am giving you such example which is showing attitude of of specialist people whom are deciding the fate of people while sitting on the seat of Islamic justice.
What they learn and gain through their knowledge and experience is hardly found in their practical real lives.
MAM: Yes I have the proof:
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
Mughal;
That proof had been compiled through human brains at the time of Hazrat omer and uthman
Anyhow it is very critical discussion and I cant provoke you as it is your strong area.
I tell you a little example in this reagrd.I hope you would understand what I mean to say,
Once you quoted a Ayat which traslation was like that.
We have sent Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) for whole universe.
I have a senior friend whom I met in BOQs.She is still living on single status and researcher like you.At this moment heading an educational institute.
As you claim to be jiyala of PPP she was hard core worker of Jamat.(this is important to note for understanding what I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU.)
So during my stay there I had to hear and read her many kind of researches like that which you often placed in front of us.
This is not my area of specialistion but I briefly try to convoy one of her paper work.
Once she was working on research papers on the topic of nazzole quran and same qurani aayt which I mentioned.
In few months she told me she had ceased her all research as she found authentic evidence that In quran and Holy PROPHET teachings there were no indication of serious incidents of History toward pacific asia or latin amercia.
I have already hinted you same and then you quoted with the same Ayat.
She found only a hadith regarding education .
For seeking knowledge one should go to china.
This surely means that for gaining knowledge one should try to touch the height of impossibility.
All incidents in quran are also found in other three holy books with some differences and only new happenings were concluded which were experienced by Holy Prophet and related to Arabic and bedouin culutre.
She told me that she wouldn't present her thesis which might generate anger in conservative community of southern Punjab where she was working in very good post.She simply told me that I could be charged under blasphemy or might oust from this job and status if I would be going to submit it.
So discusion of all this means only that our harassed attitude for securing our faith dont allow us to accommodate people's research and new ideas.
She might be wrong in her thorough research but your man made system harassed her so much that she discarded all her facts which she gathered from different sources.
Now from this little example you can understand how religion and its norms get strength in our system
Nazia says: July 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm As you claim to be jiyala of PPP she was hard core worker of Jamat.In quran and Holy PROPHET teachings there were no indication of serious incidents of History toward pacific asia or latin amercia.
I have already hinted you same and then you quoted with the same Ayat.
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Dear Ms. Nazia,
Quran is not a History Book nor it is a science book but it is a book for Guidance addressed to the mankind till Qayamat is established.
NAZIA: She found only a hadith regarding education. For seeking knowledge one should go to china.
MAM: This Hadith is weak and not correct.
Ref: Mullah Ali Qari's Mauzuaat-e-Kabir and In Jawzi's Al Mauzuaat.
NAZIA: All incidents in quran are also found in other three holy books with some differences and only new happenings were concluded which were experienced by Holy Prophet and related to Arabic and bedouin culutre.
MAM: That is why we have been ordered to have Faith on the earlier books. Yes, Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] was amongst Arabs but don't you know he has sent his Companions with Islam's Dawah all over the place.
Nazia: She told me that she wouldn’t present her thesis which might generate anger in conservative community of southern Punjab where she was working in very good post.She simply told me that I could be charged under blasphemy or might oust from this job and status if I would be going to submit it.
MAM: You said she belong to Jamat-e-Islami??? So why she is afraid of conservatives???
Mughal
For muslims Quran is set of guidelines but for non muslims and researchers it is considered as strong historical asset that reveal different aspects of facts of past.
I have already told you this Islamic history is not my field I am just telling you as an example that how we harass our think tanks to present their ideas.
She was jaamitia in her student life but living and working as educationalist in southern Punjab where there is strong influence of guddi nasheens like feudal.One of her brother in law belong to such family of shrine holders where I had witnessed that there follower were making sajida to these men.
I couldnt challenge her ideas because of her specialization in this field as I AVOID YOU in such religious matters.
But being part of community I don't favor such Islamic laws which are not practically possible in our system.
Minor differences between ulemas cant be solved by giving them authority of reconciliation but it can be managed by strict civilian govt which should have courage to punish all culprits who create confusions on religious basis.
Such kind of religious differences cant me managed in democratic set up.Most of democratic govt show positive signs when state strictly follow the strict secular policy.
Nazia says: July 15, 2010 at 12:06 am Minor differences between ulemas cant be solved by giving them authority of reconciliation but it can be managed by strict civilian govt which should have courage to punish all culprits who create confusions on religious basis.
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Agreed.
NAZIA: She found only a hadith regarding education. For seeking knowledge one should go to china.
MAM: This Hadith is weak and not correct.
So you also prove her claim that In Quran there are no facts related toward Pacific asia.There were no hints of culture and historical facts of popular generations of traditional Chinese,Mongol and xingou like nations who had showed signs of development or harassed the world population in the same period either before advent of Islam or when it was spreading toward central Asia .
Nazia: So you also prove her claim that In Quran there are no facts related toward Pacific asia.There were no hints of culture and historical facts of popular generations of traditional Chinese,Mongol and xingou like nations who had showed signs of development or harassed the world population in the same period either before advent of Islam or when it was spreading toward central Asia .
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I said that Quran is not a History book or Science book rather it is a book of Law and Guidance for ALL MANKIND. No doubt Quran has discussed some Historical Events to remind us but over all it is a book of Guidance.
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ohh that gives you an opportunity to bash Pakistan and Muslims , go ahead and believe in foxistan. as if Pakistan has the largest male population and all the men in other countries are pious and stay away from porn.
this is bullshit and nothing else.
No wonder you believe in an imposter.
Rural areas of perhaps most 'civilized' parts of the world. –
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perhaps most 'civilized' parts of the world. – BBC Panorama 1of13 – Jehovah's Witnesses documentary 'Suffer the Little Children'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYd_0zwbB24&fe…
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Mughal
The process of abductions of "wanted" like that have been started soon after shrine blast.Rehman malik has got green chit of removing the unwanted people in GHQ list and sooner you would see more abductions like that.perhaps more blast , this time on Punjab police so that no body would deny state orders of such illegal kidnapping under state authority.
In parallel babar awan like pawns are doing fine to divert the attention of public which is dying in state of ambiguity and confusions that where they should go for finding peace of mind for few moments in this country where Apes have got an opportunity to run state matters.
@Nazia @ Mughal.
Respected Sister Nazia And Sweet brother Mughal.
This is my last comment on this blog ,I will keep reading both of you.We pela (gov school)people can not compete the level of intellectuality of you .
I never never tried to hurt your feelings .
Some time wrong perception by just reading some one comment bring lot of pain.
Im a sober ,easy going ,fun loving man .And never try to do any unethical thing.Being TUN is not my cup of tea ,Those who know me can be witness that ,i ever never smoke and never chew a pan.
My highest thing witch can make me TUN is TEA ( that too pathan ki doodh pati .who live in Karachi now that how much TUNeNING facter it has,like cafe abbas of nazimabad 2 number and cafe peyala of gulbarg or queta hotel of sefi college )
Sorry sister ,with out knowing any one never try to put blame of drinking .My son has read it and seriously Im hurt by his question.
I bought my brother mughal book . No doubt he is a well educated intellectual with lot of tolerance ,
Sister you too have great knowledge but just lack a little tolerance.
Teri galeon main na rakhain gy kadam ajj ky bad.
ALLAH hafiz
Surkha says: – July 16, 2010 at 7:27 pm @Nazia @ Mughal.
Respected Sister Nazia And Sweet brother Mughal.
This is my last comment on this blog ,I will keep reading both of you.We pela (gov school)people can not compete the level of intellectuality of you .
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Dear Surkha,
For your information I have studied from Class 2 to Class 7 in Government School which you call Peela School [Yellow School! What a Colonial Thinking these CSP Have that they have divided the people through a nauseating color] and then from Class 8 to Matric in a Private School [Comprised upon 5 rooms] and I never attended any college or University. From Intermediate to Masters I studied privately.
Surkha: I never never tried to hurt your feelings. Some time wrong perception by just reading some one comment bring lot of pain.
MAM: Please mention that post which has hurt your feelings. Apologies in advance.
Surkha: Im a sober ,easy going ,fun loving man .And never try to do any unethical thing. Being TUN is not my cup of tea ,Those who know me can be witness that ,i ever never smoke and never chew a pan.
MAM: No doubt you are sober and gentleman. By the way indulge some time. Try "Milk of Lioness" some time and tobacco as well because these will elate you more.
Surkha: My highest thing witch can make me TUN is TEA ( that too pathan ki doodh pati.who live in Karachi now that how much TUNeNING facter it has,like cafe abbas of nazimabad 2 number and cafe peyala of gulbarg or queta hotel of sefi college )
MAM: Your taste is quite resembling to mine.
Surkha: Teri galeon main na rakhain gy kadam ajj ky bad.
MAM: You should visist more often and do comment and tell use where we are wrong.
@ Mughal Brother ,sorry you took me wrong ,All that thing were for Sister Nazia,She write that wile i read this blog im TUN.
You know what does it mean.kindly read my comment again .You never hurt any body feeling .Sister ji is also nice.
I wish every one on this blog good luck.
by the way im changing my name from Surkha to Greeno .May be it work batter . If you like cafe peyala orany other doodh pati ,lets give me chance to be your host.We Karachi waly cant live with this DRINK.yes I feel TUN when have it.
Greeno the ex Surkha says: July 16, 2010 at 11:44 pm @ Mughal Brother If you like cafe peyala orany other doodh pati ,lets give me chance to be your host.We Karachi waly cant live with this DRINK.yes I feel TUN when have it.
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Dear Brother,
I love Doodh Patti [Special Tea made in Milk] with at least half pack of Marlboro Hard. Your nick name was just fine:) i would luv to be your guest.
Cheers
Mughal
you are becoming more frank to our hurt surkha who is now turning his colour to greeno.
If you limit it upto doodh pati then it is ok he can think to be your host but here you put demand of marlbro and milk of lioness.
by the way what is description of this drink.
I consider my self specialist of making many milk drinks and fruit cocktails but my general knowledge of drinks have stuck on this kind of milk.
What is this??
Surkha is quite unaware of Punjabi culture where our heavy lassi has strong tendency to make a normal active person to behave like tun as he feel .I am sure if Karachi walay drink two glasses of our sweet lassi and able to digest it they can remain in tun form more than taking alcoholic drink.
Nazia says: – July 18, 2010 at 12:52 am Mughal and milk of lioness. by the way what is description of this drink.
MAM: It is a slang in Urdu for Whiskey.
Nazia says: – July 18, 2010 at 12:52 am If you limit it upto doodh pati then it is ok he can think to be your host but here you put demand of marlbro and milk of lioness.
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By the way I didn't ask for "Milk of Lioness" from Surkha, read my post again.
Nazia says: – July 18, 2010 at 11:35 pm Any how this is man’s world where you can guide your friend who is gentleman and sober and he can elate himself with whiskey and tobacco.
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MAM: Nothing to do with gender and it was just a joke not a verbal abuse.
Nazia: By the way do you know what is hud punishment in Islamic laws for alcoholic drinking or it is waived off if men are gentle and sober.
MAM: Yes, I know the sentence! 40 to 80 Lashes [provided the statement of witness and by the way the “Drunk” is himself a walking witness.:)))
Nazia: You see here surkha never reacted on your free advice who took no time to curse me for using Tun term for him.
MAM: Surkha is a good friend of mine and you should have a nice PR.
Nazia: This is really man ‘s world where devil’s drink is labeled as milk of lioness.
MAM: Labelled as Milk of Lioness because of the Bravery.
Come to your words Mughal
No doubt you are sober and gentleman. By the way indulge some time. Try “Milk of Lioness” some time and tobacco as well because these will elate you more.
In our side such advices means one should follow same when adviser becomes guest.
Any how if you tagged it with devil 's drink than I wouldn't take no time to come to know what is this drink.
Any how this is man's world where you can guide your friend who is gentleman and sober and he can elate himself with whiskey and tobacco.
Here all religious restrictions fly away when come the matter of decent and sober men who can elate themselves with 40 to 50% alcoholic drink.
By the way do you know what is hud punishment in Islamic laws for alcoholic drinking or it is waived off if men are gentle and sober.
You see here surkha never reacted on your free advice who took no time to curse me for using Tun term for him.
This is really man 's world where devil's drink is labeled as milk of lioness which has almost same chemical composition with human milk, a first drop of drink child receives from his mother.
Nazia says: – July 19, 2010 at 10:43 am MAM: Labelled as Milk of Lioness because of the Bravery. Yes it is matter of gender supremacy that men call devils drink as milk of linoess. There is no link of bravery of humans with drinking.
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How it is a Gender related when I am relating bravery with Lioness [she is female]:)))
MAM: Labelled as Milk of Lioness because of the Bravery.
Yes it is matter of gender supremacy that men call devils drink as milk of linoess.
There is no link of bravery of humans with drinking.
Strong alcoholic drinks turn a normal person to come to level of animal as it cease thinking ability and even drunk man can not control his gait.
This drink is very demanding in our islamic society so would you please tell me how much this hud punishment is worth in our tun society.
It is great of hear that surkha is your friend now I have no objection what he or you offer him as I know very well that muslim men have strong association as part of PR with each other on the matter of drinks and illegitimate relations for reaching the state of elation.
God save me for such kind of PR , you enjoy it in your circle as I never rely/go for weak and forbidden options to enjoy my social circle.
Mughal
The day any lion is popular for his milk then he will not be considered as lion any more .He would be put in category of cat or other feminine group.
so milk is always related with lioness and if it comes in lion account then will be as symbol of cowardice.